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The Kenny Report | 18 March · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 3: The other an easy labor government blames the weather for
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  Speaker 3: its budget blues as the Prime Minister indulges his broken
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  Speaker 3: green hydrogen dream. War breaks out again in the Middle
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  Speaker 3: East as Israel Baum's Hummus targets in Gaza.
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  Speaker 1: I'll show you how some in.
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  Speaker 3: Australia, including the ABC, try to play down the scourge
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  Speaker 3: of anti Semitism. In the US, Donald Trump prepares to
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  Speaker 3: call Vladimir Putin and release.
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  Speaker 1: The JFK files.
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  Speaker 3: I'll cross to Christen Tate plus Susio o' brien and
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  Speaker 3: Stephen Senta Tiempo on King Charles being scrapped from the
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  Speaker 3: five dollar note. Let's get started, excuse me. Treasurer Jim
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  Speaker 3: Chalmers will deliver his fourth and possibly his final budget
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  Speaker 3: a week from today.
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  Speaker 1: It'll deliver a death and.
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  Speaker 3: Full cast deficits as far as the eye can see.
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  Speaker 3: As government debt pushes towards a trillion dollars one thousand
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  Speaker 3: billion dollars that is now, Labour has increased permanent recurrence
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  Speaker 3: spending by more than any other government since GoF Whitlams
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  Speaker 3: half a century Ago is still throwing money around like crazy,
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  Speaker 3: desperately hoping to buy votes and hold on to power.
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  Speaker 3: But to soften up voters for next week's bad news
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  Speaker 3: Charmers has invoked tropical cyclone Alfred, you know, the one
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  Speaker 3: that turned into a tropical low before it crossed the
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  Speaker 3: coast into Queensland just over a week ago.
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  Speaker 4: I expect that these costs and these new provisions will
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  Speaker 4: be in the order of at least one point two
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  Speaker 4: billion dollars, a substantial amount of money, and that means
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  Speaker 4: a big new pressure on them.
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  Speaker 3: There's always some one or something else to blame for
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  Speaker 3: this mob, isn't there. The Australian newspaper has done a
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  Speaker 3: great job putting this into perspective today, using the figure
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  Speaker 3: of one point two billion dollars as a new monetary unit,
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  Speaker 3: a cyclone Alfred, and looking at how much other alban
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  Speaker 3: easy labor government decisions have cost labour's future. Made in
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  Speaker 3: Australia boondoggle pumping taxpayers money into impractical green energy schemes
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  Speaker 3: and the like costs eighteen point nine cyclone Alfreds and
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  Speaker 3: labor has pumped more than eleven Cyclone Alfreds into green
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  Speaker 3: hydrogen and critical mineral schemes. They're promised roads and so
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  Speaker 3: called cost of living measures total.
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  Speaker 1: About twenty cyclone.
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  Speaker 3: Alfreds and Labor have stuffed up their electricity price promise
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  Speaker 3: so badly that they've already spent almost three cyclone Alfreds
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  Speaker 3: on trying to keep power prices down. Yeah, Labor doesn't
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  Speaker 3: need a cyclone to shake taxpayers money loose.
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  Speaker 1: They can't help themselves.
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  Speaker 3: The Prime Minister was added again today's sprooking government support
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  Speaker 3: for renewable energy.
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  Speaker 5: Australia needs to be ambitious. We must be optimistic. We
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  Speaker 5: can create more jobs here. We can be a renewable
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  Speaker 5: energy superpower for the world, and working with the private
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  Speaker 5: sector is what we are doing.
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  Speaker 3: Never Mind that he was in Gladstone, Queensland, where a
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  Speaker 3: multi billion dollar green hydrogen plan has already bitten the
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  Speaker 3: dust despite billions of dollars of taxpayer funded subsidies on offer.
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  Speaker 3: Never Mind the hard realities. Labor keeps talking up renewables
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  Speaker 3: and throwing money at them. But strangely enough, the radical
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  Speaker 3: environmentalists that this is all designed to appease. Well, as
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  Speaker 3: the Treasurer found out today, they're never going to be happy.
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  Speaker 4: Days of heavy winds and soaking rains or major flooding,
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  Speaker 4: arm and substantial damage.
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  Speaker 3: Australia cannot afford any more climate disasters the intensity of those.
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  Speaker 3: When will the Labor Party stop funding more coal.
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  Speaker 2: And gas projects.
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  Speaker 4: Brallions were cut off from power, mister Child's that.
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  Speaker 6: Were eight days without power. The young people of this
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  Speaker 6: nation are going to suffer for the.
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  Speaker 7: Rest of our lives.
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  Speaker 8: When does Labor though, you start funding and approving you
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  Speaker 8: pulling gas?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but they put up our power prices to try
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  Speaker 3: to pease these clowns.
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  Speaker 2: The real story, of course, is that the government's.
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  Speaker 3: Net zero by twenty fifty ambitions are hurting this country,
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  Speaker 3: undermining the budget and strangling the economy while they do
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  Speaker 3: absolutely nothing for the environment. Global emissions arising steeply. Australia's
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  Speaker 3: actions are redundant, absolute madness, deliberate national self harm with
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  Speaker 3: no upside whatsoever. As I pointed out last week, it's
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  Speaker 3: no good complaining about tariffs imposed on our products when
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  Speaker 3: we've used energy self harm to put our own tariff
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  Speaker 3: on everything we do in this country. High energy and
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  Speaker 3: gas prices the cost of decarbonization.
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  Speaker 1: This cuts to the chase.
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  Speaker 3: Forget the US putting tariffs on our steel exports. We're
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  Speaker 3: putting our own energy tariff on everything we make in
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  Speaker 3: this country. Yeah, it was good to see this logic
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  Speaker 3: reflected in The Australian Today by David Pearl. He talked
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  Speaker 3: about our impending net zero black hole and noted that
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  Speaker 3: this target, this policy is a self imposed monster tariff
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  Speaker 3: on our entire two point seven trillion dollar economy, dwarfing
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  Speaker 3: Donald Trump's hit on our steel and aluminium industries.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we are in economic strife.
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  Speaker 3: We need to work our way out of it, playing
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  Speaker 3: to our economic strengths, boosting productivity and containing government spending.
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  Speaker 3: But instead we've got a bunch of idea lodge, bunch
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  Speaker 3: of ideologues that.
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  Speaker 1: Are talking about our economy.
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  Speaker 3: As if this is some sort of Charlie and the
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  Speaker 3: Chocolate Factory story, and they're promoting their implausibly grand green
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  Speaker 3: dreams as the golden ticket green hydrogen.
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  Speaker 5: Australia is in a unique position of having the best
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  Speaker 5: solar resources in the world, amongst the best wind resources
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  Speaker 5: in the world. We have everything that can go into
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  Speaker 5: the creation of green hydrogen. To create green metals is
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  Speaker 5: very important going forward, and that's why as well you
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  Speaker 5: will see first mover advantage around the world.
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  Speaker 2: Just nutty stuff. You and I want a sound economy.
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  Speaker 3: You and I want good jobs and affordable housing for
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  Speaker 3: our kids. And you and I want affordable and reliable
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  Speaker 3: electricity and low taxes.
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  Speaker 2: We all want responsible government.
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  Speaker 3: And even though at least half a dozen major projects
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  Speaker 3: have been scrapped in the past couple of months, we've
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  Speaker 3: got a prime minister pushing a green hydrogen revolution.
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  Speaker 2: Gaia help us In the Middle East.
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  Speaker 1: Israel has renewed.
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  Speaker 3: Its attacks against Hamas in Gaza. Despite weeks of demands
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  Speaker 3: from Israel and from US President Donald Trump for Hamas
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  Speaker 3: to hand over all remaining hostages, nothing has happened. Now
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  Speaker 3: the ceasefire is effectively over as Hamas terrorists come under
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  Speaker 3: fire again.
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  Speaker 9: Fighter jets are currently striking the Gaza strip as the
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  Speaker 9: ceasefire between Israel and Hamas has collapsed. There are major
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  Speaker 9: questions now about what comes next. We are told by
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  Speaker 9: Israeli officials that all options remain on the table, and
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  Speaker 9: this includes the possibility of a ground component.
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  Speaker 10: The Trump administration and the White House were consulted by
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  Speaker 10: the Israelis on their attacks in Gaza tonight, and as
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  Speaker 10: President Trump has made it clear Hamas, the Hohothies ron
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  Speaker 10: all those who seek to terrorize not just Israel, but
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  Speaker 10: also the United States of America will see a price
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  Speaker 10: to pay. All hell will break loose.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Humas still holds fifty nine hostages, only twenty four
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  Speaker 3: of them are believed to be alive. Hummas, of course,
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  Speaker 3: has lost this war. They knew they could never win it,
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  Speaker 3: and they lost it pretty much as soon as they
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  Speaker 3: started it. But instead of handing over hostages and surrendering,
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  Speaker 3: they commit war crimes every day by hanging onto hostages,
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  Speaker 3: and they ensure that more Palestinians suffer for longer. It's
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  Speaker 3: a tactic of unimaginable cruelty, driven of course by visceral
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  Speaker 3: hatred and Islamist extremist zeal. Yet sadly, too many in
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  Speaker 3: the West failed to call it out, preferring to do
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  Speaker 3: what the terrorists do and blame Israel.
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  Speaker 1: Badly.
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  Speaker 3: On the back of these events, I need to return
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  Speaker 3: to the topic of anti Semitism and the insidious attempts
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  Speaker 3: to downplay it or even deny it as a problem
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  Speaker 3: here in Australia. Such efforts are not only damaging and hurtful,
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  Speaker 3: to the Jewish community and therefore divisive. They're also plain
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  Speaker 3: wrong and show utter contempt for the facts. For instance,
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  Speaker 3: the synagogue was firebombed in Melbourne just last December, destroyed
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  Speaker 3: in a deliberate arson attack, but thankfully did not take
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  Speaker 3: any lives. But certainly this attack harmed and terrified a
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  Speaker 3: whole community. Oppositionally to Peter Dutton visited the site again
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  Speaker 3: yesterday and pledged pledged thirty five million dollars to rebuild
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  Speaker 3: the synagogue if elected, a pledge that was matched today
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  Speaker 3: by the Prime Minister. But this issue is much more
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  Speaker 3: widespread than one synagogue.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, the wave of.
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  Speaker 3: Anti Semitism that's seen thousands of direct threats against Jewish
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  Speaker 3: people and organizations has unfolded over the past year and
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  Speaker 3: a half. It's seen dozens of cases of abusive and
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  Speaker 3: threatening graffiti attacks, cars vandalized and fire bombed, and even
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  Speaker 3: a childcare center set alight. And then there was of
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  Speaker 3: course the Caravan of explosives episode, described as a fabricated
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  Speaker 3: plot by police but designed to generate real fear about
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  Speaker 3: a mass casualty attack against Jewish targets.
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  Speaker 1: Now I showed you last night.
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  Speaker 3: How even given police believe no bombing attack was planned.
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  Speaker 3: I reckon the New South Wales police have been too
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  Speaker 3: quick to declare there was no ideological motivation behind this plot.
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  Speaker 3: Clearly something can have a criminal intent and involve anti Semitism.
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  Speaker 3: Individuals can have dual motivations. Police arrested and charged former
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  Speaker 3: Nomad's Biki gang president Sayed Mohammad Musawi, and they say
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  Speaker 3: them mastermind was former Sydney fugitive say it irhan Aka,
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  Speaker 3: last seen in Turkey.
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  Speaker 1: In the past. Akka has said that Hitler was only
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  Speaker 1: washing earth.
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  Speaker 3: They made him out to be evil, and he questioned
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  Speaker 3: the extent of the Holocaust, and he reacted to swastikas
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  Speaker 3: by that were painted on cars with a post that
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  Speaker 3: said zig Hail. There is nothing, absolutely nothing in any
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  Speaker 3: of this that should reassure Jewish Australians or the rest
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  Speaker 3: of us worried about anti Semitism, social division and all terrorism.
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  Speaker 3: Yet we get clowns like this YouTuber Jordan Shank's Markavena
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  Speaker 3: using the latest developments to shame our own Shari marksen
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  Speaker 3: on racial or religious grounds or over perceived divided loyalties.
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  Speaker 11: But guess what Australia has interests Independent to Israel. That's
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  Speaker 11: why Harvest so much resent him to Dullard's like Shahi
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  Speaker 11: using him mainstream platform to import her narrow ethnic interest
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  Speaker 11: into Australian mainstream consciousness.
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  Speaker 3: What clueless and gutless attack there from this YouTuber. Classic
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  Speaker 3: victim blaming from a bully who pretends that anti Semitism
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  Speaker 3: is a beat up.
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  Speaker 11: For about two years now, you've been hearing NonStop about
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  Speaker 11: the anti Semitism crisis in Australia and I just have.
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  Speaker 1: To say it.
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  Speaker 11: It really feels astroturfed, like it wasn't a thing, no
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  Speaker 11: more than any other racial prejudice in Australian society until
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  Speaker 11: the media collectively wished it into existence. Has a nice
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  Speaker 11: little palate cleanser for every so often being forced to
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  Speaker 11: cover what's happening in Gaza or a gares.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, a horrible hatred responsible for some of history's most
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  Speaker 3: shameful atrocities that creates bloodshed and trauma to this day,
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  Speaker 3: and this YouTuber wants to pretend it away as a
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  Speaker 3: means of poking fun that is media or perceived idealoge
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  Speaker 3: logical enemies, or perhaps that is his way of winning
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  Speaker 3: popularity with kids. I don't know Shank's Mark Aneva in
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  Speaker 3: this video equates fighting for Hummas with fighting for the
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  Speaker 3: Israeli military. In other words, he equates people joining terrorist
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  Speaker 3: organizations to slaughter innocence with those who serve in Israel's
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  Speaker 3: army to defend people from terrorist attacks. It's truly reprehensible,
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  Speaker 3: and he dismisses real trauma, real hatred as media game playing.
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  Speaker 11: If those incidents weren't made national news every day, do
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  Speaker 11: you think that they would have their intended effect of
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  Speaker 11: undermining social cohesion?
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  Speaker 1: Like listen to them.
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  Speaker 12: While we're on the topic of anti semitism, Sydney University
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  Speaker 12: and its handling of Jew hatred and anti Israel protests
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  Speaker 12: on campus has been one of the biggest stories of
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  Speaker 12: the year, one.
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  Speaker 11: Of the biggest stories of the year. Only it's because
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  Speaker 11: you reeps decided it.
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  Speaker 3: Was shocking puerile stuff, isn't it sadly pumped out on
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  Speaker 3: social media to a lot of impressionable kids. But what's
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  Speaker 3: really worrying is that the National Broadcaster's Media Watch program
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  Speaker 3: last night attempted to go down a similar path, targeting
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  Speaker 3: media for whipping up the anti semitism threat.
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  Speaker 13: But as we now know, the whole thing was a sham,
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  Speaker 13: a terrible stitch up, allegedly orchestrated by organized crime figures.
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  Speaker 14: The caravan was part of a fabricated terrorist plot, essentially
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  Speaker 14: a criminal conjob.
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  Speaker 13: So tonight we're going to walk back through these six
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  Speaker 13: weeks and take a cold look at the role the
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  Speaker 13: media played in the fiasco.
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  Speaker 3: Well, they did all that ad nauseum in a pretty
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  Speaker 3: boring program, and the point is they found no evidence
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  Speaker 3: of media malfisans.
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  Speaker 13: Rather, these fevered few weeks were a perfect example of
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  Speaker 13: a perfect storm. Police reluctant to rule out terrorism, politicians
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  Speaker 13: afraid to be on the wrong side of history, and
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  Speaker 13: the media, which faithfully reporting the advice of authorities could
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  Speaker 13: only go as big as it did, even if it
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  Speaker 13: failed to give quite enough attention to the nuance, that
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  Speaker 13: small grit of doubt which had been identified from the
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  Speaker 13: very beginning by the Daily Telegraph, and which was in
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  Speaker 13: the end drowned out by the noise of fear and panic.
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  Speaker 3: So a waste of time, Why do it? Why talk
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  Speaker 3: about the noise of fear and panic as if it's
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  Speaker 3: not real? Because they wanted diminish anti Semitism or gaslight
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  Speaker 3: the Australian Jewish community. Anyone not taking the threats of
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  Speaker 3: antisemitism and terrorism seriously in this country right now is
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  Speaker 3: indulging in a very dangerous delusion and the ABC should
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  Speaker 3: be better than that. Let's now go to Zoey Mackenzie,
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  Speaker 3: Liberal MP for Flinda's joining us live from Melbourne.
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  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you, Zoe.
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  Speaker 3: I got so much to talk about with the economy,
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  Speaker 3: but I want to drill down to an important point,
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  Speaker 3: and that is you would be well aware of how
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  Speaker 3: badly people are suffering from high electricity prices going up
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  Speaker 3: again in July. Labor are talking about spending more money
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  Speaker 3: on energy rebates to keep those prices down, Coalitions saying
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  Speaker 3: you would oppose them. Surely going to need to look
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  Speaker 3: at maybe suggesting means testing or something, because people on
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  Speaker 3: fixed incomes or really low incomes, they're just going to
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  Speaker 3: be They're going to be really hit hard by yet
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  Speaker 3: another electricity price increase.
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  Speaker 6: Chris, You're so right.
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  Speaker 14: I was in Hastings all day yesterday with Jason Wood,
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  Speaker 14: our Shadow Minister for Community Safety, and as we walked
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  Speaker 14: on talking a bit bout what was going on. Yes,
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  Speaker 14: they're worried about their own safety. They're worried about crime
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  Speaker 14: in Victoria, but they're also worried about how they can
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  Speaker 14: afford to upgrade that homes where they can put in
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  Speaker 14: their own CCTV. Everything comes with an enormous cost, but
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  Speaker 14: nothing comes to such an enormous cost an increase as
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  Speaker 14: we've seen in energy prices, so gas up over thirty
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  Speaker 14: percent and electricity would be the same but for these handouts.
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  Speaker 6: So the problem we've got.
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  Speaker 14: Here is that labor has created the problem that's caused
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  Speaker 14: the increase in prices and now wants to solve their
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  Speaker 14: own problems with a big band aid on top. Our
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  Speaker 14: plan is actually to reset the energy market, to make
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  Speaker 14: sure we have all possible sources available and being pursued
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  Speaker 14: in this country, including nuclear, including greater access to gas,
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  Speaker 14: and that's how we hope to get energy prices down.
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  Speaker 14: For like our parcel is fifty forty four percent cheaper
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  Speaker 14: than theirs, which should flow on to have an impact
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  Speaker 14: in the hands of Australian consumers.
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  Speaker 2: But that's a medium and long term plan. In the
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  Speaker 2: here and now, over.
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  Speaker 3: The next six months twelve months, people on fixed incomes
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  Speaker 3: are going to face another hit of electricity price increases.
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  Speaker 1: Be better to yeh say this is bad.
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  Speaker 3: It's no long term solution, but perhaps means tested so
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  Speaker 3: it doesn't go to everyone, but agree to some sort
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  Speaker 3: of support for people who are going to be hit hardest.
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  Speaker 14: I agree, Chris, and we do need to put more
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  Speaker 14: money in people's pockets.
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  Speaker 6: Again.
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  Speaker 14: I had a round to have a last week with
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  Speaker 14: the fillers and brewers. I'm the craft beer capital of
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  Speaker 14: the country. Out as Go the other day, which is fantastic,
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  Speaker 14: and people really want to be able to get people
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  Speaker 14: out and about enjoying life, being able to buy two
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  Speaker 14: pieces rather than just one at dinner when they go
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  Speaker 14: out with a friend. And so there are many proposals
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  Speaker 14: we have on the table to building back small business
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  Speaker 14: in particular that is the lifeblood of my community, and
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  Speaker 14: making sure people can go out and spend a little
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  Speaker 14: bit more because it's those clamped pockets because of energy
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  Speaker 14: and other things that are making people reluctant to spend.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, On the ABC last night, there was a major
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  Speaker 3: investigation into childcare in Australia, uncovering all sorts of abuses
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  Speaker 3: and routing.
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  Speaker 2: The Prime Minister was asked about that today.
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  Speaker 5: Here he is last night's revelations on four Corners are
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  Speaker 5: of course of deep concern. There needs to be certainly
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  Speaker 5: investigations and action taken wherever those standards are not met.
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  Speaker 5: State governments look after the regulation.
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  Speaker 1: There he goes old albow.
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  Speaker 3: He always hand passes to someone that one he's not
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  Speaker 3: responsible for us the state governments. But the thing that
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  Speaker 3: worries me with this sooe he is that this is
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  Speaker 3: one of the most regulated industries in the country.
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  Speaker 1: What's going wrong?
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, look, Chris, I must have been I did, actually,
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  Speaker 14: admiss I missed four corners last night. I was too
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  Speaker 14: busy on catch up on sixty minutes, catching up on
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  Speaker 14: the CFMAU stories that were horrifying as well. But this
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  Speaker 14: one goes to child safety and it's a real concern
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  Speaker 14: for all of us. Again, we must make safety our
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  Speaker 14: number one priority. That is something you will hear from
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  Speaker 14: the Coalition every single time we stand up in that Parliament.
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  Speaker 14: And so safety of those children standards in those centers
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  Speaker 14: is of utmost priority for all of us. And so
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  Speaker 14: I'm glad to hear across the spectrum of politics today
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  Speaker 14: everybody's saying the same thing. It must be investigated and
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  Speaker 14: it must be tackled.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Zoe, I appreciate it, Zoe Mackenzie.
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  Speaker 3: They're joining us live from Melbourne. When to pop up
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: to Sydney now and focus back on the budget? And
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: we're joined by independent economists Chris Richardson. Chris, thanks for
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: joining us again. This is going to be a bit
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: of a horror story, isn't it When we look at
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: what the budget delivers and what the forecasts are for
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: deficits and debts into the future.
• 20:31
  Speaker 15: Well, the way to cheer yourself up, Chris is our
• 20:34
  Speaker 15: debts and deficits are much smaller than you see in
• 20:38
  Speaker 15: much of the world. The way to then get upset
• 20:41
  Speaker 15: again is to remember that's mostly due to luck rather
• 20:44
  Speaker 15: than good management. Over the last couple of decades, Australians
• 20:48
  Speaker 15: have lived through in many ways. In the last two
• 20:52
  Speaker 15: decades a wonderful time. We've slipstreamed the rise of China.
• 20:55
  Speaker 15: We've been able to slipstream the earlier reform efforts of
• 20:59
  Speaker 15: the Heatings and the Howards, and most recently, a whole
• 21:04
  Speaker 15: lot of budgetary luck has landed in our lap. But no,
• 21:09
  Speaker 15: we have not done good things with that luck and
• 21:12
  Speaker 15: our ongoing budget picture looks increasingly challenged.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: The thing is that we've loaded ourselves up with a
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: lot of recurrent expenditure, two big programs. They are going
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: to keep costing a lot into the future, and you've
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: got to be realistic. We know that governments are not
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: very good at clawing that stuff back, so surely our
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: path to future prosperity and budget health has to be
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: growing the economy that is becoming more productive. Is there
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: anything the government's doing that's helping in that regard.
• 21:41
  Speaker 15: Not particularly nor the opposition in terms of promises. Both sides,
• 21:47
  Speaker 15: when in government and in opposition, have largely matched each
• 21:51
  Speaker 15: other's promises in election campaigns. Again, for the better part
• 21:54
  Speaker 15: of two decades, nobody has been terribly challenging Australia around
• 22:01
  Speaker 15: becoming more productive. Yes, our spending has lifted and in
• 22:05
  Speaker 15: the first year of this government twenty twenty two to
• 22:07
  Speaker 15: twenty three, spending was twenty four point four percent of
• 22:13
  Speaker 15: the economy. It's look looking like twenty seven point two
• 22:17
  Speaker 15: to almost three percentage points higher in the coming year.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 22:23
  Speaker 15: That is set to be the fastest and largest increase
• 22:27
  Speaker 15: in the size of government in half a century in
• 22:30
  Speaker 15: Australia and the problem is, you know, and it's an
• 22:33
  Speaker 15: old mistake and Howard and Castella made it too. You
• 22:36
  Speaker 15: take temporary good news and you make permanent promises off
• 22:42
  Speaker 15: the back of it.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to focus a bit on electricity prices.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: You might have heard me at the start.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: I use this argument that it's like an internal tariff.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: It's an internal penalty we put on everything we explore
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: from this country by unnecessarily ramping up our electricity prices.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: But if we look to the budget, I expect we'll
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: see Labor look to extend its energy rebates now. They
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: go to everyone now to try and artificially keep power
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: prices down. I think it's bad economics. I think it's
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: politically driven and all the rest of it. But as
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: I said to Zoe Mackenzie, people in low and fixed
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: incomes are really hit hard by power prices and maybe
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: they do need some help. Maybe there should be at
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: least means tested support. Maybe the Coalition should look at
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: haggling with Labor to perhaps curtail it, but means tested.
• 23:30
  Speaker 15: Earlier in the term of the current government that there
• 23:33
  Speaker 15: was help around electricity prices that was essentially aimed at
• 23:37
  Speaker 15: people who needed that help you people on benefits and
• 23:42
  Speaker 15: the like. Now, as you say, everybody gets it, and
• 23:45
  Speaker 15: that's much more about the politics than it is about
• 23:47
  Speaker 15: the economics. They preserve bank, by the way, when it
• 23:49
  Speaker 15: gave us an infrastrate cut a handful of weeks ago,
• 23:55
  Speaker 15: was still assuming that there would be no ongoing electricity
• 24:00
  Speaker 15: rebates in the coming year. Anybody, anybody with a sort
• 24:05
  Speaker 15: of a knowledge of the political pulse in Canberra knows
• 24:10
  Speaker 15: that we are going to get a roll over of
• 24:14
  Speaker 15: those subsidies.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: And here's the thing.
• 24:16
  Speaker 15: You know, we do need to make a transition around
• 24:21
  Speaker 15: our energy in Australia, but it's not going to be
• 24:24
  Speaker 15: fun and it's not going to be cheap. And that combination,
• 24:29
  Speaker 15: how do we get reliable, how do we get cheap
• 24:34
  Speaker 15: and how do we get clean? Well, you know, various
• 24:38
  Speaker 15: things are hurting at the moment. What's holding it together
• 24:41
  Speaker 15: are the subsidies from taxpayers in general to electricity users.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what a mess and it's going to take a
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: long time to sort out. Thanks for joining us, Chris,
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: I appreciate it, Chris Richardson. They're independent economists all over
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: the budget outlook and we'll have plenty leading up to that,
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: and of course on Budget Day and there after next week, we.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Want to get to a breakdown.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: I want to talk about why do Israel's enemies, the
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: Islamist terrorists of Hamas and Hezbolla and others, why do
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: they have so many supporters.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: In the West. I want to chat to Alika Lebon
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: about that.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: With warfare unfolding in the Middle East again, we can
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: expect the debate about Israel's defense to heat up again.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: You know where I stand, and I know where anyone
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: who supports democracy, the rule of law and humanity should stand.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: Why do Israel's enemies, the Islamus terrorists of Hummas and
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: Hezbla and other groups have so many supporters in the West.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: I wanted to discuss this with.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: Alika Lebon, a British American of Iranian heritage.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: She's not Jewish, but she's become a compelling voice for Israel.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: She's in Australia at the moment, and I asked her
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: why she turned to activism.
• 25:55
  Speaker 16: I started doing my activism for the Middle East after
• 25:58
  Speaker 16: twenty twenty two, after the murder of Massa Gena Amini
• 26:03
  Speaker 16: in Iran, and then we had these uprisings happening in Iran,
• 26:06
  Speaker 16: and at that time it seemed like sort of like
• 26:08
  Speaker 16: a localized event that was happening, a revolution that was
• 26:10
  Speaker 16: going to change something within the Middle East. And then
• 26:13
  Speaker 16: I think I started to realize that post October seventh,
• 26:16
  Speaker 16: there was something else going on, and that was an
• 26:19
  Speaker 16: attack on the Western world. It was an attack on
• 26:21
  Speaker 16: Western values, western civilization, which we've seen in Iran, which
• 26:25
  Speaker 16: is exactly what led to the collapse of our society
• 26:29
  Speaker 16: in Iran. And I saw that coming home again here
• 26:31
  Speaker 16: now the last home that we had to be safe,
• 26:33
  Speaker 16: and so I felt like I had to sort of
• 26:35
  Speaker 16: it was my duty to speak up.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: You have that Iranian background, which makes you particularly sensitive
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: to what's going.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: On in Iran.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: So I've read before that you saw yourself previously as
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: someone of the political left. If there was any side
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: of politics you favored, so of the left and obviously
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: a woman. If we could make that observation in this
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: day and age. Give me your thoughts then on why feminism.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: While leftist feminists in the Western world, there dine seem
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: to be particularly interested in the rights of women in
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: Iran and other Muslim countries.
• 27:10
  Speaker 16: Yeah, so in order to understand this, we have to
• 27:12
  Speaker 16: sort of understand the history of Western feminism, which was
• 27:16
  Speaker 16: originally rooted in actually pro Western values. So it was
• 27:19
  Speaker 16: about expanding individual rights, it was about expanding democracy, equalizing wagers, things,
• 27:26
  Speaker 16: all of the good stuff, right. And then after that, unfortunately,
• 27:29
  Speaker 16: there was this sort of post colonial movement that shifted
• 27:34
  Speaker 16: Western feminism to being about anti westernism.
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: So it was about how the West was.
• 27:39
  Speaker 16: The source of all evil in the world, it was
• 27:41
  Speaker 16: the source of all oppression in the world. And so
• 27:44
  Speaker 16: what happened beyond that point was that there was a
• 27:47
  Speaker 16: history of Western feminists aligning with anything that was anti Western.
• 27:52
  Speaker 16: So at that time we started to see the alignment
• 27:54
  Speaker 16: of Western feminists with Marxists, with communists, with Stalin, with Mao,
• 28:01
  Speaker 16: with Castro, and seeing all of these regimes as being
• 28:04
  Speaker 16: some type of utopia as an antithesis to the Western world.
• 28:09
  Speaker 16: And then so what we're seeing now is just an
• 28:11
  Speaker 16: extension of that long history of feminism turning anti westernism.
• 28:15
  Speaker 16: And so now when you get to October seventh, right,
• 28:18
  Speaker 16: you see this brutal terrorist attack that's killing not just
• 28:24
  Speaker 16: men but women too. Where is shigies chery bebuss right,
• 28:28
  Speaker 16: choking babies to death. And then these feminists are now
• 28:32
  Speaker 16: forced to reconcile with these two conflicting things. You have
• 28:36
  Speaker 16: this representation of Western civilization and Western values with Israel, right,
• 28:41
  Speaker 16: and then you have the Hamas terrorists that are committing
• 28:44
  Speaker 16: atrocities against Israeli women. But because they're so anti Western,
• 28:50
  Speaker 16: they cannot stand with Western civilization and they have to
• 28:53
  Speaker 16: ally with the Islamists, with the terrorists who are their
• 28:56
  Speaker 16: ally against the Western world.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: It's frightening because the Western values of democracy, the rule
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: of law, of liberalism, that these are core to our
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: very existence and to human rights around the world. To
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: let's start off with the feminist aspect for a minute then,
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: and surely we need to just forget the sort of
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: political feminist then and just appeal to women and to
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: men who have sympathy for women's rights.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: It should be all good thinking men.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: We should be just explaining to them the way that
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: women are being treated in Iran and how as a
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: global community we ought to be protesting about it and
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: trying to help Iranian women overcome it.
• 29:34
  Speaker 16: I mean, it's not for not knowing, right, It's not
• 29:36
  Speaker 16: that they don't know what's happening in Iran. They know
• 29:38
  Speaker 16: very well that what's happening in Iran. The problem is
• 29:41
  Speaker 16: that these values that are for the betterment of all
• 29:44
  Speaker 16: of humanity, because they're labeled as Western values, they're considered
• 29:49
  Speaker 16: to be bad. But at the end of the day,
• 29:51
  Speaker 16: what Western values are are individual rights, they are democracy,
• 29:54
  Speaker 16: they are humanitarianism. They are protecting men and women from
• 30:00
  Speaker 16: and you know, in Iran they're lynching them from cranes,
• 30:03
  Speaker 16: they're torturing.
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: Them, you know.
• 30:05
  Speaker 16: But because you put this word Western in front of
• 30:07
  Speaker 16: these values that are humanitarian values, they have to be
• 30:11
  Speaker 16: against it. And it's such a shame.
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: It's such a shame.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Well, if you go to Gaza, then this is the
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: issue here because Hamas who are really a death cult.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: They're are jihadist Islamist death cults, but they use the
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: guys of Palestinian aspiration to cover for their atrocities.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: But because they use that guys, we have all these.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: Western liberal minded people in the West sort of supporting
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: their course and turning a blind eye to the horrific
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: atrocity of October the seventh, because somehow they want to
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: support Palestinian Aspiration.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Don't need to divorce the two.
• 30:50
  Speaker 16: Absolutely and the reality is, and everybody knows this, whether
• 30:54
  Speaker 16: they're willing to admit it or not, everybody knows this.
• 30:57
  Speaker 16: Har Maas is not for the Palestinian people. Mass is
• 31:00
  Speaker 16: not for the betterment for the Palestinian people. Her mass
• 31:03
  Speaker 16: thwarts the prosperity of both Palestinian and Israeli people, and
• 31:08
  Speaker 16: everybody understands that what is for the best interest of
• 31:11
  Speaker 16: both sides here is the absence not just of her Mass,
• 31:14
  Speaker 16: but any of these jihadis Islamist groups that are hell
• 31:18
  Speaker 16: bent on the destruction of Israel.
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: So then we ask this.
• 31:20
  Speaker 16: Question, why don't you support harmony between these two people?
• 31:24
  Speaker 16: Why don't you advocate for peace? And the reason that
• 31:27
  Speaker 16: they don't advocate for peace is because it would mean
• 31:31
  Speaker 16: the survival of something that's considered Western, which is Israel.
• 31:34
  Speaker 16: And so in reality, their activism is entirely self serving
• 31:38
  Speaker 16: because it's not about the Palestinian people. They're supporting something
• 31:41
  Speaker 16: that harms the Palestinian people. It is about the end
• 31:45
  Speaker 16: of Israel, which serves their own political ideologies.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: This is obvious, this is clear, but so much of
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: the political debate around the world ignores it.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: How do you not get to do you know, I
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: do get the price.
• 31:59
  Speaker 16: This is just exactly the long, long history of leftism.
• 32:03
  Speaker 16: So when you think about the spread of communism, their
• 32:06
  Speaker 16: whole ideologies were about anti imperialism. Well, isn't that so
• 32:10
  Speaker 16: funny that communism was the most imperialist ideology. But so
• 32:14
  Speaker 16: what they would do, and this is what I'm writing
• 32:16
  Speaker 16: about in my book, what they would do, is that
• 32:19
  Speaker 16: they would use this pretext, this virtuous pretext, I'm out
• 32:23
  Speaker 16: in the world doing something really good and it's against
• 32:26
  Speaker 16: all of this evil of westernism and oppression. Meanwhile, they
• 32:30
  Speaker 16: were the most oppressive forces, the most imperialist forces, the
• 32:34
  Speaker 16: most murderous regimes, right, And so this is actually just
• 32:38
  Speaker 16: a long history of leftism that has hidden itself behind
• 32:42
  Speaker 16: the most evil forces under guise of humanitarianism. And unfortunately
• 32:47
  Speaker 16: the Western world still has not woken up, even after
• 32:51
  Speaker 16: more than one hundred million deaths.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: We've got to keep having these discussions. Thanks for bringing
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: your insights to Australia.
• 32:57
  Speaker 16: Thank you so much for having me.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Lebon, this still playing out, of course, right across
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: the Middle East and in our streets as we speak.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: We've got to take a break.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: On the other side, We'll go to the US where
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: tomorrow US President Donald Trump is going to call Vladimir Putin,
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: which is going to be crucial when it comes to
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: the future of Ukraine.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: But he's also going to release.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: The JFK files across to Kristen Tate. Now, as I
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: mentioned earlier, the tenuous ceasefire between Israel and Hamas is over,
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: with Israel launching fresh air strikes in Gaza after.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Accusing the terrorist group.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: Of course, not accusing, because it hasn't released any of
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: the hostages, fifty nine of them still held.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Nobody should be surprised about this, of course, because.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump ten days ago was on social media he
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: issued this warning. Released the hostages now, or there will
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: be held to pay later. I am sending Israel everything
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: it needs to finish the job. Not a single HUM
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: member will be safe if you don't do as I say,
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: as I said to Kristen Tate.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Although Israel took the action, this certainly looks like.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: Another case of Donald Trump following through and doing what
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: he says he'll do.
• 34:14
  Speaker 8: Yes, we finally have a president in the United States
• 34:17
  Speaker 8: who acts like he's the leader of the most powerful
• 34:19
  Speaker 8: nation in the world. He's made it very clear that
• 34:22
  Speaker 8: we fully back Israel, and it will be interesting now
• 34:25
  Speaker 8: that Israel has resumed its military campaign against Tamas, to
• 34:29
  Speaker 8: watch how Israel operates without the constant badgering and constrains
• 34:34
  Speaker 8: demanded by the Biden administration.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: Well, it's effectively the end of the ceasefire there with Humas,
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: unless a new deal can be struck, or maybe Hummas
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: will be obliterator. Will wait and see. The other major
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: global war, of course, the war that the globe is
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: focused on is in Ukraine. Donald Trump's striving to get
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: a ceasefire there. He's going to be speaking with Vladimir Putin,
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: the Russian president, tomorrow.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: He is Donald Trump.
• 35:03
  Speaker 17: I'll be speaking to President put on Tuesday. A lot
• 35:07
  Speaker 17: of a lot of worksmen done over the weekend. I
• 35:11
  Speaker 17: want to see if we can bring that word to
• 35:13
  Speaker 17: an end. Maybe we can, maybe we can't, but I
• 35:16
  Speaker 17: think we have a very.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: Good chance now, Christian, He's put a lot of pressure
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: on Vladimir Zelenski, the Ukrainian President, and effectively forced concessions there.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: It's critical he can get letting me a put In
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: to the table here is it and get a ceasefire.
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean both Putin.
• 35:34
  Speaker 8: Putin and Trump will probably remain very cordial and respectful
• 35:38
  Speaker 8: during this meeting, unlike you know, Harris and Biden, who
• 35:41
  Speaker 8: would get very exasperated and call Putin a killer. But
• 35:45
  Speaker 8: under the surface, Trump and Putin clearly don't trust each other.
• 35:48
  Speaker 8: Let's not forget that during Trump's first term he was
• 35:51
  Speaker 8: probably the most forceful anti Russian president since Ronald Reagan.
• 35:55
  Speaker 8: He sanctioned the Nord Stream to pipeline, he gave aid
• 36:00
  Speaker 8: to Ukraine, and on the other side, Putin he views
• 36:04
  Speaker 8: Trump as a very worthy opponent. Trump's team has said
• 36:08
  Speaker 8: that they might be willing to use economic sanctions.
• 36:11
  Speaker 6: I'm not sure that's going to work.
• 36:12
  Speaker 8: The Russians think that would backfire by causing higher prices here.
• 36:16
  Speaker 8: Let's not forget economic sanctions haven't worked over the last
• 36:19
  Speaker 8: ten years. So what I think is going on right now, Chris,
• 36:22
  Speaker 8: is that Trump is realizing this situation is a lot
• 36:25
  Speaker 8: more nuanced and complicated than he thought it would be
• 36:27
  Speaker 8: on the campaign trail, and by making these kind of
• 36:30
  Speaker 8: unrealistic promises while he was campaigning, he may have boxed
• 36:34
  Speaker 8: himself in with an unrealistic timeline, which gives leverage to Putin.
• 36:39
  Speaker 8: I believe this is just my opinion. He should walk
• 36:41
  Speaker 8: away from that call and kind of let Putin steal
• 36:44
  Speaker 8: a little bit. It's clear Putin's kind of stringing Trump along.
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: But do I think it's going.
• 36:49
  Speaker 8: To be easy to resolve this mess that Trump has
• 36:51
  Speaker 8: inherited from Biden and the Europeans. Absolutely not. A phone
• 36:55
  Speaker 8: call is probably not going to solve the situation.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, not difficult, but yeah, he just needs to maximize
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: pressure on Putin. We'll see what happens this thing on
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: matters that involve foreign affairs for Donald Trump. The vision
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: of deported criminals from the US into El Salvador is
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: creating a stir.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Also sorts of legal moves here afoot.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: The Il Salvadorian gabment not very impressed, but I imagine
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: many Americans back home will be very pleased to see
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: convicted criminals deported from the US.
• 37:26
  Speaker 8: Of course, you know, way up here in Boston we
• 37:29
  Speaker 8: are far from the border.
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: There have been multiple gang.
• 37:33
  Speaker 8: Members from L Salvador that have been nabbed by border
• 37:36
  Speaker 8: patrol over the last month or two. This is something
• 37:39
  Speaker 8: that like ninety eight percent of American support.
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: If you took a pull and yet.
• 37:44
  Speaker 8: You have leftists in the media crying and wailing over
• 37:48
  Speaker 8: these deportation efforts. And let's not stop with the L
• 37:51
  Speaker 8: Salvador gang members. A couple weeks ago here in Boston,
• 37:55
  Speaker 8: an illegal immigrant from Guatemala was arrested after he was
• 38:00
  Speaker 8: multiple times.
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: Raped a minor a child here in Massachusetts.
• 38:04
  Speaker 8: He was set free in twenty twenty two by the
• 38:08
  Speaker 8: Essex County Court here where I live. It's just ridiculous,
• 38:11
  Speaker 8: it's infuriating. So I hope the Trump administration doubles down
• 38:14
  Speaker 8: on these efforts and gets rid of all of the
• 38:17
  Speaker 8: criminal aliens in this country.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: So much happening and so much yet to happen.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Apart from that phone call we've led me at Putin.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: Tomorrow, Donald Trump is going to release the JFK files.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: I can't believe there's been discussion and movies and conspiracy
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: theories for decades about this.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: But here's the president on what we'll see tomorrow.
• 38:37
  Speaker 18: We are tomorrow announcing and giving all of the Kennedy files.
• 38:47
  Speaker 18: So people have been waiting for decades for this.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: He says there'll be minimal redactions of this material.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: This could be the biggest story of the year or
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: it could be a physic what do you experience.
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  Speaker 8: I just think it's not going to be much. It's
• 39:02
  Speaker 8: going to be a nothing burger. The vast majority of
• 39:05
  Speaker 8: the JFK files have actually already been released to the public.
• 39:09
  Speaker 8: It's just really that redacted information and the stuff that
• 39:12
  Speaker 8: they've withheld that we want to see.
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: I just don't think it's going to be released.
• 39:17
  Speaker 8: The Trump administration has already come under fire because of
• 39:20
  Speaker 8: the way that hand Bondie has handled the Epstein files,
• 39:24
  Speaker 8: which we were also promised. But the fact that these
• 39:27
  Speaker 8: kinds of file just won't be released really makes one suspicious.
• 39:32
  Speaker 8: What is our government trying to hide? And of course
• 39:36
  Speaker 8: if they don't release what we all want to see,
• 39:38
  Speaker 8: which is the full trove of documents, it will only
• 39:41
  Speaker 8: further fuel conspiracy theories and data.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: Just before we let you go, I've got to get
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: your comments on the lightest palling NBC Trekking polls showing
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: that forty four percent of Americans believe the country is
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: on the right track. Now, now that's less than half,
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: of course, but it's almost double what it used to be.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: Was up from twenty percent seven percent in November, and
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: obviously a lower for most of the Biden period. So
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: it seems like Donald Trump's got to general support from
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: most of the population just at the moment.
• 40:12
  Speaker 8: Yes, and you know, you go out and you talk
• 40:15
  Speaker 8: to normal people, the vast majority of people, including Democrats,
• 40:18
  Speaker 8: will admit that they feel the country is doing much
• 40:21
  Speaker 8: better now than it was underbid.
• 40:23
  Speaker 6: And I'm still.
• 40:24
  Speaker 8: Shocked though, that over fifty percent of the country does
• 40:27
  Speaker 8: not believe that the country going in the right direction. Clearly,
• 40:30
  Speaker 8: we are better off, we are more secure, the economy
• 40:33
  Speaker 8: is getting better, the borders finally secure. So we got
• 40:36
  Speaker 8: to get that other fifty percent to come around. But
• 40:38
  Speaker 8: I believe it's happening, and the momentum is absolutely with
• 40:41
  Speaker 8: Donald Trump.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's always plenty of don't knows and the like,
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: but yeah, that's the majority of those with a view
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: say America is on the on the right track. Let's
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: hope they're right and the rest of the world follows suit.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you, Kristin.
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: Great to talk to you.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Chris.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: Let's bringing the panel now and checking in on some
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: local issues as well.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: Cuzy O'Brien joins us from The Herald the Sun.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Live from Melbourne. Good to see us Susi and from the.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: Nation's capital, Stephen Senecy empoid breakfast radio hosts at two
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: Double C.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Let's start with you, Stephen.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: Peter Dutton as opposition that has made a bit of
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: a blunder today, hasn't he raising the prospect of enough
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: another referendum.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: It's hardly what anybody wants to hear. Yeah, I think
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: the sentiment's right.
• 41:25
  Speaker 19: I think most people would agree that dual citizens who
• 41:28
  Speaker 19: committ crime should be deported. But she's the last thing
• 41:31
  Speaker 19: we needs another recession, particularly given the cost of living
• 41:33
  Speaker 19: crisis and how much the last one costs. Look, I
• 41:36
  Speaker 19: think he'll be starting to back away from it already
• 41:39
  Speaker 19: and there's got to be a better way around this.
• 41:41
  Speaker 19: But again it's probably something that should be revisited if
• 41:45
  Speaker 19: we ever get the country back on track.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: Well, governments need the power to deport to people who
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: have done wrong or are not citizens and the like,
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: and these legal appeals make it difficult.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Here's Peter Duttnam. He's explaining, really it's the last resort.
• 41:58
  Speaker 7: We can do as much as we can by legislation,
• 42:00
  Speaker 7: but as they say, you can't out legislate the constitution.
• 42:02
  Speaker 7: What we're proposing Here is a discussion about whether we've
• 42:06
  Speaker 7: got adequate laws, whether the constitution is restrictive. If you
• 42:09
  Speaker 7: want to keep your kids safe, and we want to
• 42:11
  Speaker 7: keep kids safe in our community, then I don't think
• 42:14
  Speaker 7: you can put a price on that.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, bottom line is, Susie, if something like this came up,
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: if you needed to do it, it'd have to be bipartisan.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: People would support it.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: But it's just a distraction that Peter Dutton probably didn't need.
• 42:27
  Speaker 20: Yeah, four hundred and fifty million dollars to do something
• 42:30
  Speaker 20: that most of the time will be achievable by legislation.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: This is just a distraction for Dutton.
• 42:37
  Speaker 20: He certainly doesn't need it, and I think most people,
• 42:40
  Speaker 20: as Stephen said, agree with the sentiment. Who doesn't agree
• 42:44
  Speaker 20: with that sentiment, But you know, there's a whole raft
• 42:46
  Speaker 20: of laws already in place, and you know he has
• 42:49
  Speaker 20: criticized the current Prime minister for spending four hundred and
• 42:52
  Speaker 20: fifty million dollars on the Voice and then he's going
• 42:55
  Speaker 20: to turn around and spend it on something like this.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: No way, it's never.
• 42:59
  Speaker 8: Going to happen.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: It's going to happen.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Have a look at Albow on this today, though, I
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: think this is interesting.
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: This has not been thought through. There is not clear
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: where this has come from. Peter Dutton wants to talk
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: about anything that cost of living.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: I just want to show that because he's actually coherent,
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: he's actually passionate. It's the only time you see albout
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: stop mumbling and humming and awing is when he's boring
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: it up.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: The Tory Stephen.
• 43:25
  Speaker 19: Yeah, but except that what he says, I don't know
• 43:27
  Speaker 19: where this has come from. Where it's come from. If
• 43:29
  Speaker 19: his government's failure to lock up hardened criminals and get
• 43:32
  Speaker 19: them out of our country, that's where this has come from. Yes,
• 43:35
  Speaker 19: yes is a distraction, and yes we should probably think
• 43:38
  Speaker 19: about something else during a cost of living crisis. But
• 43:41
  Speaker 19: I think everybody knows where it's come from.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, that is the problem.
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: He can't get criminals who are non citizens, he can't
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: keep them in custody. So someone's going to find another solution.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: Let's go to our five dollars note, Susie, this is
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: our story that's going to drive a lot of people nuts.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: It's always had the monarch on it. The queen is
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: on the the five dollar note. Now she's not going
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: to be well, she's not going to be on it anymore,
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: but they're not going to put King Charles on it.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: And what does my head in is the RBA apparently
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: has been doing consultation around the country, including within indigenous groups,
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: and they've decided they're going to go with an indigenous design.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, since when is this a call for the RBA.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: Right, surely this is the labor government, the Jim Charmers
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: and Anthony Albaneasy need to own this.
• 44:27
  Speaker 20: Look, I don't have a problem with the royals or
• 44:29
  Speaker 20: King Charles not being on the five dollar note. No
• 44:31
  Speaker 20: one buys anything for cash these days, and certainly.
• 44:35
  Speaker 12: Not five bucks.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: But you know, I actually.
• 44:38
  Speaker 20: Don't mind the idea of Tera nullius, the overturning of
• 44:41
  Speaker 20: that being celebrated on the five dollar notes. And like
• 44:46
  Speaker 20: the RBA was saying that they had a a they
• 44:49
  Speaker 20: had a public day called for public submissions. They got
• 44:52
  Speaker 20: more than two thousand people offering up all sorts of
• 44:55
  Speaker 20: things like indigenous flora and fauna, even a celebration of
• 44:59
  Speaker 20: the big thing. So look better the overturning of terranalius
• 45:03
  Speaker 20: than the big banana or even I say, King Charles,
• 45:06
  Speaker 20: he's you know, he's got enough, he's got enough status.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: We don't need him on the five dollar note.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Look, you're never gonna hear me making an argument for the.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Royals, right, but the king happens to be the head
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: of state of the country. Now, if we want to
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: have a system where there's a head of state, that
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: head of state, Stephen is King Charles.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: You can't hide him, you can't pretend.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: He doesn't exist. You either have a head of state
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: or not. And the head of state's supposed to be
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: on the five dollar note.
• 45:31
  Speaker 19: Absolutely, And I just want to take Susie to task.
• 45:34
  Speaker 19: Here at Parliament House. OSSI's Cafe. Little Dom will always
• 45:38
  Speaker 19: take cash and you can get a coffee for five bucks.
• 45:40
  Speaker 19: But look, we may become a republic one day, but
• 45:43
  Speaker 19: until we do, you salute the uniform, not the man.
• 45:46
  Speaker 19: King Charles is the head of state and he should
• 45:48
  Speaker 19: be on the five dollar eight period.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: It's nice of you to give Dom a plug because
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: he's a cart and supporter. He'll be feeling pretty he'll
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: be feeling pretty miserable at the moment.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: You'll need to sell every five dollars five dollar coffee
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: you can.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: Now, Susie, I'm going to get you on the state
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: politics in the Victoria. This is hilarious right the new
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: opposition leader Brad Batton, when these sort of people asked
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: him where he was, he said he went up to
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: Queensland to check in on his parents after the cyclone.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: Well for four days before he checked in on his parents.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: He was on a cruise. Why didn't you just tell people?
• 46:23
  Speaker 20: I mean people are saying, is this is scomo you
• 46:25
  Speaker 20: know in Hawaii moment. It's actually worse than that because
• 46:29
  Speaker 20: he lied about or he maybe not lied, but he
• 46:31
  Speaker 20: deliberately didn't tell the whole truth. You can't be opposition
• 46:35
  Speaker 20: leader and get away with that kind of thing.
• 46:37
  Speaker 6: It's just disgraceful.
• 46:39
  Speaker 20: And if I was on the front bench bench of
• 46:41
  Speaker 20: the opposition right now, I would be saying, how do
• 46:44
  Speaker 20: we end up with these guys every time, like lastly,
• 46:47
  Speaker 20: at a time when the labor government is right for
• 46:51
  Speaker 20: the picking they deserve to go, they should be out.
• 46:54
  Speaker 20: We've got dealing with distractions like this. It is absolutely
• 46:58
  Speaker 20: unacceptable and he's learned a lesson. You can't get away
• 47:02
  Speaker 20: with this kind of crame.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: The evasiveness is pathetic. Have a look at him here.
• 47:06
  Speaker 21: The question was did I go into state and I
• 47:08
  Speaker 21: said yes, Brisbane. I wasn't asked what I did up there.
• 47:10
  Speaker 21: I did say that I went and visited my family
• 47:12
  Speaker 21: as well, but no, as I said, I wasn't trying
• 47:14
  Speaker 21: to be evasive, but I should have been more upfront
• 47:16
  Speaker 21: with what I did. I'll take that as a lesson
• 47:18
  Speaker 21: moving forward.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if someone had asked me, did you actually go
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: on a cruise for four days before you I would
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: have said yes.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: It's just pathetic. Now I want to star on Steve
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: and I want you get I want you to comment.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: On the story that Susie's highlighted been the Herald Sun.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: And this is the salary's paid to the vice chancellors
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: at our universities.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: It's I ordering stuff this year. Look at the graphic here.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: There's that Bok who runs Melbourne University is one point
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: five million dollars a year.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: A and you one point one million.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: Mark Scott, after all his time at the ABC, gets
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: nearly one point two million at Sydney University.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Bill short and they got him cheap. He's less than
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: nine hundred grand a year. How he's going to pay
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: his electricity bills?
• 48:03
  Speaker 19: Well, they offered him immediate and he said, no, that's
• 48:05
  Speaker 19: too much nine hundred.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: It'll be fine.
• 48:07
  Speaker 19: But I think Susie in her story, you puught it
• 48:09
  Speaker 19: out at something like three times what the Prime Minister's
• 48:11
  Speaker 19: being paid some of these people, and they are the
• 48:13
  Speaker 19: only institutions in the country being run worse than the government.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, is there a university in.
• 48:18
  Speaker 19: This country that is actually operating in a fiscally responsible way.
• 48:22
  Speaker 19: They're certainly not delivering decent education anymore, and we're paying
• 48:26
  Speaker 19: exorbitant amounts of money for these vice chancellors. But let's
• 48:30
  Speaker 19: look one step further at the chancellors of these universities
• 48:33
  Speaker 19: who are being paid silly amounts of money and never
• 48:35
  Speaker 19: even set foot on the campuses.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just the university.
• 48:38
  Speaker 19: If they ever needed to be Royal commission, it has
• 48:41
  Speaker 19: to be into the university system.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: Well before we feel too sorry for Bill short and
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: he'll be getting his parliamentary pension as well, Susie. That'll
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: take him over a million. It's ridiculous, just very quickly.
• 48:52
  Speaker 20: What has to happen, Oh, they needs to be well,
• 48:56
  Speaker 20: there's two things underway. There's a Senate inquiry and there's
• 48:59
  Speaker 20: allso so an expert inquiry from Jason Claire. They need
• 49:03
  Speaker 20: to rain these people in. They need to peg the
• 49:05
  Speaker 20: vice chancellor and the chancellors salaries to the public service.
• 49:09
  Speaker 20: They should not be operating in a kind of lawless
• 49:12
  Speaker 20: land unto themselves. When the universities are losing millions and
• 49:16
  Speaker 20: millions of dollars every year and they're underpaying staff. Spot
• 49:20
  Speaker 20: of these clowns.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: Let's see the UNI students protesting against their bosses.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: That would be better.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Steven and Susie. We'll catch you
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: next week. We're right out of time. They We're going
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: to take a short break, but come back after that
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: for Caleb Bond filling in for Kredlin.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: I'll see you tomorrow.