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The January 6th Committee · Conspiracy! The Show

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Speaker 1: Joy.
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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy The Show. I'm Adam Todd.
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Speaker 3: Brown and I'm Olivia Hidar and that.
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Speaker 1: Makes us your hosts Olivia. Happy New Year. How's it going?
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Speaker 3: Happy New Year?
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Speaker 1: How's how's it going?
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Speaker 3: Oh it's going. Okay, I miss you saying that it's good.
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Speaker 3: You know, I'm sick, but I'm almost not sick. So
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Speaker 3: that's the important thing.
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Speaker 1: That's That's one of the best phases of being sick
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Speaker 1: is the almost not sick but still sick enough that
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Speaker 1: you can be like, hey, I'm sick, fuck off.
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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, Like I'm not like actively in misery, but
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Speaker 3: I can like I have a valid excuse to tell
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Speaker 3: people I don't want to do stuff.
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Speaker 1: But nonetheless, here we are working on New Year's Day.
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Speaker 1: I didn't realize this is like the officially observed New
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Speaker 1: Year's Day. I thought they were just going to observe
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Speaker 1: it on Sunday.
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Speaker 3: But what do you mean?
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Speaker 1: This is like literally, yeah, this is like officially everyone's
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Speaker 1: day off, right except us, because we have well that's.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how it usually is when the holiday lands
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Speaker 3: on like a Sunday.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So we're recording this with a pretty big anniversary
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Speaker 1: looming at the end of the week, January sixth, it's
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Speaker 1: going to be the two year anniversary of the Capital Riots.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Crazy that it's been two years. I know, like
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Speaker 3: obviously passes or whatever, fuck you, But like I it's
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Speaker 3: just nuts that it's been two years since that happened.
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Speaker 3: It feels like I mean, it feels like both yesterday
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Speaker 3: and an eternity ago.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, it does feel like it was Yeah, you're right,
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Speaker 1: both longer and shorter ago.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And we're talking about the January sixth Committee this week
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Speaker 1: because conveniently, just right on the verge of the two
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Speaker 1: year anniversary of the Capitol Riots, the January sixth Committee
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Speaker 1: is finally putting out their final report, releasing their findings.
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Speaker 1: They've done all of that, and we're gonna talk about it.
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Speaker 1: I don't know how comfortable I am with all of
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Speaker 1: this happening right up against the anniversary.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess. I mean, it just it makes I
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Speaker 3: feel like if something it makes, it's gonna happen on
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Speaker 3: the anniversary. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, nothing happened on the anniversary last year,
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Speaker 1: so I don't think there's anything special about the two
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Speaker 1: year anniversary that would cause a repeat of it except
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Speaker 1: word coming down that like Trump won't be allowed to
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Speaker 1: run for office anymore, or Trump getting arrested. I don't
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Speaker 1: right that would happen this.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but like, yeah, none of that's happening this week,
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Speaker 3: is the thing. Like, even though like obviously there's been
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Speaker 3: a lot of revelations and discussions from the report, like
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Speaker 3: that's how fast the federal government moves, right.
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Speaker 1: Not usually this would be the one time where it's
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Speaker 1: an exception and they're like, suck, yeah, arrest them on
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Speaker 1: January fifth. It's like, man, wait till the eighth, come on.
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Speaker 3: I mean sure, I don't know, Like, if people are
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Speaker 3: gonna do shit, they're gonna do shit. I don't think that.
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Speaker 3: I mean, And also I feel like, and maybe I'm
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Speaker 3: totally misreading this. I could totally just be wrong, but
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Speaker 3: it feels like most of the people on the right
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Speaker 3: aren't like happy about January. It doesn't feel like a
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Speaker 3: thing that they want would want to celebrate or commemorate.
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Speaker 3: It feels like they're trying to move past it and
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Speaker 3: get to the next crazy thing that they're gonna do.
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Speaker 1: I sure hope so, but I don't know. Yeah, either way,
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Speaker 1: there are a lot of developments to talk about when
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Speaker 1: it comes to the January sixth Committee, and that's what
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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about on this episode. We're gonna just
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Speaker 1: keep everyone abreast of the situation. I love saying it
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Speaker 1: that way. Sure, keep me a breast, Yeah, do we
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Speaker 1: still say to me?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I say, keep me a boob of the situation?
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Speaker 3: Keep me like, what what do you mean? It's like
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Speaker 3: a play on words like breast boob.
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Speaker 1: Anyway, So, one of the first things that came down
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Speaker 1: the January sixth Committee did recommend criminal charges against Trump.
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Speaker 1: They referred Trump to the Justice Department for criminal charges
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Speaker 1: for his role in the Capitol riot. Whether he does
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Speaker 1: get charged or not is up to the Department of Justice. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and if they go for it, this would be the
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Speaker 1: first time a former president would face federal charges.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. It's one of those things where it's like I'll
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Speaker 3: never believe it until literally it happens. It doesn't matter
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Speaker 3: how much it seems like that's what's going to happen.
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Speaker 3: I've seen him get away with too much for me
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Speaker 3: to ever think that he's actually going to get charged
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Speaker 3: or something, But who knows, Maybe I'm wrong.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting how much of our political system kind
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Speaker 1: of mirrors the things that have been happening in Brazil lately,
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Speaker 1: with especially with jaiyr Boalsnaro rising to power like he was,
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Speaker 1: you know, Brazilian Trump. Yeah, but they also had a
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Speaker 1: situation where a former president was charged with a crime
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Speaker 1: and like actually arrested and sent to prison, and he
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Speaker 1: was hugely popular. But the only difference is he was
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Speaker 1: more of an Obama type, right, and Balsonaro is a
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Speaker 1: Trump type. But that guy they call him Lula, I
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Speaker 1: don't like they call him Lula to the degree that
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Speaker 1: I don't even really know his real name, but he
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Speaker 1: has one. He's like president again. He went to prison,
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Speaker 1: got out and ran for president and is now their
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Speaker 1: president again.
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Speaker 3: Good for him, you know, yeah, I mean the thing.
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Speaker 1: He went to prison for was some bullshit. We've covered
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Speaker 1: it before. It was one of those scandals that involved
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Speaker 1: like all politicians, and they were just like, oh, we
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Speaker 1: can probably just pin it on him and send him
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Speaker 1: to prison. And that's fastened but yeah, I know, it
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Speaker 1: seems unlikely that the Department of Justice would charge him,
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Speaker 1: But the Attorney General did also just appoint a special
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Speaker 1: counsel name Jack Smith. If that is his real name.
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Speaker 3: You should have point someone else. You should have point
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Speaker 3: someone with a real sounding name. Like, no offense to
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Speaker 3: Jack Smith. I'm sure he's fine or whatever. He might
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Speaker 3: be totally evil. I don't know, but like, oh probably, Yeah,
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Speaker 3: he's just got a fake ass name. That's a fake
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Speaker 3: fucking name, Jack Smith. And I know there's Jack Smith here.
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Speaker 3: Might be a Jack Smith listening because the reason it's
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Speaker 3: a fake sounding fucking name is because there's a lot
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Speaker 3: of you motherfuckers.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, with all due apologies to Jack Smith's. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: get a real or sounding name.
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Speaker 3: If I mean get like that's this is the thing,
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Speaker 3: Merrick Garland. That's a that's a tough to make up name.
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Speaker 1: You know, that's a bitch and name.
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Speaker 2: It's not.
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Speaker 3: It's a pretty good name.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, Jack Smith. But he has been appointed for
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Speaker 1: this very reason to look into the possibility of charging
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Speaker 1: Trump over the Capitol riots. And now with well the
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Speaker 1: January sixth committee recommending charges, it could be a thing.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I obviously think that Trump should face consequences
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Speaker 3: for at least some of the terrible things that he's done.
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Speaker 3: That would be nice, But it's just one of those things.
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Speaker 3: I'll have to see it happen before I can believe it.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I want to say I'm not confident
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Speaker 1: that they would charge Trump, but I am. I actually
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Speaker 1: am kind of confident that they're gonna do it, because
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Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta send the message if nothing else.
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Speaker 3: But also charging him and him suffering consequences aren't necessarily
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Speaker 3: the same thing. Like he could be charged and then
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Speaker 3: come out of it.
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Speaker 1: Fine, Yeah, he could be charged and also come out
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Speaker 1: of it like more powerful and scarier. Sure, so I
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Speaker 1: think there is a historical example of a Trump type
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Speaker 1: pulland some shit and going to prison for it and
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Speaker 1: then coming out the other end a little bit mightier.
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Speaker 1: I don't know who I'm thinking of. I'm thinking of Hitler.
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about Hitler, that exactly. Yeah, but like it
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Speaker 1: happened with Hitler.
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Speaker 3: Well, Hitler hadn't been Feurer. True, that is slightly different.
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Speaker 3: I'll say, Yes, it's more like Napoleon.
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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, either way, not great, Yeah, not a good thing.
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Speaker 1: I agree Trump should go to prison or face some consequences,
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Speaker 1: but also, ugh, that's gonna be a shit storm when.
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Speaker 3: It I mean, yeah, well there's no good thing that
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Speaker 3: comes out of that or any sort of I mean,
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Speaker 3: it has to be done. This is the problem, Like
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Speaker 3: it has to be done, but what just it does?
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Speaker 3: That doesn't mean that it's going to end well, but
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Speaker 3: it's something that must be done. Whether or not it will.
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Speaker 1: Who knows the charges that he's facing, We should run
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Speaker 1: through those. They recommended four different charges. Obstruction of an
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Speaker 1: official proceeding, and that is based on the riot's main goal,
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Speaker 1: which was to delay or block the counting of the
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Speaker 1: Electoral College votes. Conspiracy to defraud the United States. That's
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Speaker 1: also based on the plans to delay or block the certification,
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Speaker 1: but that's more the planning and build up to it.
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Speaker 1: Hence the conspiracy, conspiracy to make a false statement based
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Speaker 1: on a scheme to submit alternate slates of electors who
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Speaker 1: supported Trump to Congress from states that supported Biden, and
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Speaker 1: the last one inciting assisting and giving aid and comfort
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Speaker 1: to an insurrection, And that one seems pretty self explanatory.
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Speaker 1: I have the same question here that I had about
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Speaker 1: the one trial that eventually happened over Jonestown. The one
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Speaker 1: guy who was charged, Larry Layton, was charged with conspiracy
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Speaker 1: by himself. He was the only person charged, which begs
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Speaker 1: the question who are the other conspirators? Because this is
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Speaker 1: Trump and Trump alone being recommended for charges, And it's like, well,
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Speaker 1: who's actually No, I'm wrong. I believe his lawyer, John Eastman,
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Speaker 1: is the other conspirator. So scratch that. I just wanted
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Speaker 1: to slip that Jonestown point in under the doors. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but yeah, I believe it's John Eastman, his lawyer, who
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Speaker 1: is the other conspirator, who is charged with helping him
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Speaker 1: come up with this plan to send an alternate slate
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Speaker 1: of electors to Congress. So here's a quote from the
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Speaker 1: January sixth Committee after recommending charges. We understand the gravity
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Speaker 1: of each and every referral we are making today, just
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Speaker 1: as we understand the magnitude of the crime against democracy
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Speaker 1: that we describe in our report. But we have gone
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Speaker 1: where the facts and the law lead us, and inescapably
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Speaker 1: they lead us here end quote. So what do we
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Speaker 1: think you think they're going to charge him? They should,
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Speaker 1: I just don't want him to do it this week,
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Speaker 1: Like don't charge him this week. Let January sixth pass.
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Speaker 3: And then I guess, I mean, it's not gonna happen
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Speaker 3: this week, so we're okay, there's just no way.
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Speaker 1: But I also don't know that whether it happens on
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Speaker 1: January sixth or not is going to play a role
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Speaker 1: in whether his supporters subsequently riot over it. If he
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Speaker 1: goes to trial and gets convicted, goes to jail, there's
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Speaker 1: going to be some unrest.
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Speaker 3: Yes, I think that's fair.
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Speaker 1: We talked about it on this week's Unpopular Opinion. But
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Speaker 1: that's one of the scariest things about Trump is he's
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Speaker 1: almost the only US politician right now that has that
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Speaker 1: like royal family energy, where if he died, there's going
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Speaker 1: to be idiots like blubbering in the s over it.
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Speaker 1: Sure like there's not really, I mean, I guess like
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Speaker 1: AOC maybe, like if she unexpectedly passed, I feel like
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Speaker 1: people would maybe get in the streets and be upset,
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Speaker 1: but other like by she murdered. Yeah yeah, but like Biden,
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Speaker 1: no way.
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Speaker 3: Like But also people on the left tend to not
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Speaker 3: always be as idolatrous of their politicians as the people
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Speaker 3: who are really into the populist right, you know, there's
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Speaker 3: more of a cult of personality. But even then, that's.
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Speaker 1: Even then, I don't think like if George W. Bush, well,
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Speaker 1: if he had died in office, like people would have
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Speaker 1: been upset, but it wouldn't be like the outpouring of
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Speaker 1: grief and anger and frustration that I feel like we
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Speaker 1: would see with Trump. Like no one was going to
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Speaker 1: storm the capitol for George W. Bush.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I know, I don't disagree. I mean, I know
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Speaker 3: what you mean, and I agree that Trump is different,
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Speaker 3: Like he's got he has this cult of personality that
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Speaker 3: no other politician has, especially in recent times, has been
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Speaker 3: able to cultivate. And that's one of the things that
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Speaker 3: makes him the most dangerous as a polic I mean
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Speaker 3: it's not his policies. I mean, he has terrible policies, obviously,
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Speaker 3: but it's his ability to get people excited that is scary.
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Speaker 3: And so yeah, like I think if anything happens to him,
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Speaker 3: it would go crazy. I don't think even if Bernie
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Speaker 3: Sanders died, people on the left would be sad because
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Speaker 3: one of our most effective left leaning politicians will be
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Speaker 3: gone and we don't have a lot of those. So
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Speaker 3: I think that would be where our pain comes from,
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Speaker 3: not from specifically the loss of this person, because we
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Speaker 3: see our goals as being greater than any one person. Right,
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Speaker 3: That's why we're hard on our politicians. But like Trump,
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Speaker 3: people like Trump and whatever policies Trump says, that's what
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Speaker 3: people like, and it's just you know that, Yeah, there's
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Speaker 3: not an analog to that anywhere else.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and that's what makes it so concerning to me.
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Speaker 1: But at the same time, like you said, you gotta
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Speaker 1: do it, like, oh yeah, they kind of have to charge.
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Speaker 3: Him, so that since like you know, he got into
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Speaker 3: office under legal means, Like you know, I've been saying,
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Speaker 3: it doesn't matter how bad it is in the long
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Speaker 3: run or how few consequences there are, it has to
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Speaker 3: be done or else we have no moral foot to
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Speaker 3: stand on right at the United States.
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Speaker 1: I was going to say that part's already a little
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Speaker 1: shaky pre Trump exactly. So a few days after recommending
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Speaker 1: criminal charges, the final report was released eight hundred and
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Speaker 1: forty five payes you read it yet?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I was sick, and so I was like,
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Speaker 3: I'll just what better way to get better than to
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Speaker 3: read an almost nine hundred page like legal document.
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Speaker 1: That'd be great if it's half as thrilling as the
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Speaker 1: Muller Report. Sure, I have no doubt that people will
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Speaker 1: be on the edge of their seat. I loved I
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Speaker 1: say this every time the Muller Report comes up. I
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Speaker 1: love that there were politicians getting in front of TV
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Speaker 1: cameras being like, I read all of the Mueller Report.
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Speaker 1: It's like, motherfucker, it's like four hundred pages. You of
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Speaker 1: course you should have read it.
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Speaker 3: God damn well better, Why.
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Speaker 1: Wouldn't you read the Muller Report?
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Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah, I mean I think it's a kind of
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Speaker 3: an interesting sign of how the culture has shifted since
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Speaker 3: Trump left office that this, like the Muller Report was
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Speaker 3: like a book like people. It was like published just
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Speaker 3: like an airport.
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Speaker 1: Like, oh, this is tech.
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Speaker 3: It is Oh I didn't know that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah you can, you can get it. It kind of
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Speaker 1: looks like a Dianetics book. The cover is fucking jazzy.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like volcanoes and shit.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like l Ron Hubbard fucking wrote it.
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Speaker 3: Okay, I missed that, so I don't know. Then, it
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Speaker 3: just seems like it's not making the impression that the
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Speaker 3: Moull Report. Everybody cared about the Mole report. Everybody had
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Speaker 3: the thing. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I think the difference here, and one of the reasons
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Speaker 1: we're not running through all the details of January sixth
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Speaker 1: and the specifics of the riot is because it's so obvious,
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Speaker 1: Like I don't I don't need the January sixth Committee
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Speaker 1: to tell me that Trump incided a riot. Like the
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Speaker 1: insights that they have, like in as far as the
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Speaker 1: back room workings and things, are very interesting, but in
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Speaker 1: my heart, I already know Trump did it, and we
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Speaker 1: saw it happen on TV, and I think that's right.
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Speaker 1: Probably why it's not as interesting to people.
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Speaker 3: That's fair, But yeah, that makes sense.
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Speaker 1: It is interesting to me in that when I saw
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Speaker 1: this unfold on TV, the impression I got was that
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Speaker 1: it was kind of a spontaneous thing and that Trump
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Speaker 1: just planned to have this rally that day and it
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Speaker 1: erupted in violence. But it seems like that wasn't the case.
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Speaker 1: It seems like there were at least some elements who
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Speaker 1: kind of knew it was going to progress to that point.
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Speaker 1: But also if that's the case, they didn't do shit
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Speaker 1: once it got to that point. I mean, yeah, who
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Speaker 1: knows who knows.
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Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, it's it is very possible
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Speaker 3: that it's a combination of these things. It's a bunch
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Speaker 3: of people with different motivations who all just were in
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Speaker 3: the same place.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: The Guardian called the final report quote one of the
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Speaker 1: most damning official portraits of a president in American history
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Speaker 1: end quote. And I can see that being the case
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Speaker 1: because this is it's similar to Watergate in that with Watergate,
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Speaker 1: Nixon recorded everything, Yeah, like a fucking idiot.
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Speaker 3: Well, also, because literally every president recorded everything that happened
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Speaker 3: in the Oval office, that was one thing that he
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Speaker 3: was actually not that much outside of the norm about.
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Speaker 1: And these days everything happens on electronic devices and it's
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Speaker 1: very hard to shake that trail once you have created it.
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Speaker 1: So we know like the text messages and the things
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Speaker 1: that Trump was doing and saying on that day. And
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Speaker 1: I think the most obviously damning part of it is
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Speaker 1: that he never ordered the military to intervene or help, which,
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Speaker 1: on the one hand, you know you don't want like
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Speaker 1: you're you're walking a fine line when you sick the
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Speaker 1: military on protesters, right, but this was a little difference.
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Speaker 3: Well, I would say the biggest thing is just the
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Speaker 3: contrast between his reaction to this and his reaction to say,
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Speaker 3: the Black Lives Matter protests in twenty twenty and people
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Speaker 3: doing way less, way further away from government buildings, getting
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Speaker 3: the National Guard and the like sicked on them.
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Speaker 1: He tear gassed a group of protesters who were standing
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Speaker 1: behind the barricade that was set up for them to
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Speaker 1: stand behind. That's insane.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but yes, I agree, But like you know, so,
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Speaker 3: I mean, on the one hand, like you said, I
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Speaker 3: am not in support of the president calling in the
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Speaker 3: military on protesters. And you know, I don't like the
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Speaker 3: January sixth events because mostly because they were stupid as fuck.
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Speaker 3: But you know, I wouldn't have wanted the military. That
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Speaker 3: wouldn't have helped anything. But it's showing his eyes very
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Speaker 3: obvious on their face biases by his differing responses.
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Speaker 1: Right, And I don't know that we would have wanted
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Speaker 1: the military to just like come in and start shooting people.
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Speaker 3: It's absolutely not.
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Speaker 1: But it was also pretty clear the Capitol police needed
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Speaker 1: some help. They were overwhelmed, and I think that was
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Speaker 1: more of the thing.
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Speaker 3: Half of them.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the problem too, because half of them were
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Speaker 1: fucking in on it. And that was one of the
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Speaker 1: other concerns I read about. I don't think I put
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Speaker 1: it in the notes, but yeah, Trump didn't call in
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Speaker 1: the military. But there was also some element on that
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Speaker 1: day that was like, don't ask Trump to call the military.
21:38
Speaker 1: He will call the military on his behalf right, he
21:41
Speaker 1: will just send them in to fucking kill Congress or something.
21:46
Speaker 1: So there was that element too where people didn't necessarily
21:49
Speaker 1: want Trump to have his finger on that button on
21:53
Speaker 1: that show, which was probably for the best.
21:57
Speaker 5: Yeah, he, I'm gonna say, is not the kind of
22:00
Speaker 5: person that I would want commanding the most advanced military
22:05
Speaker 5: on the face of the planet in the history of
22:07
Speaker 5: the world.
22:08
Speaker 3: No, it's just not the guy I trust with that job.
22:10
Speaker 3: Come on, I know, I know, I know I'm overreacting.
22:15
Speaker 1: So this report basically just blames Trump. This is a
22:20
Speaker 1: quote The central cause of January sixth was one man,
22:24
Speaker 1: former President Donald Trump, who many others followed. None of
22:28
Speaker 1: the events of January sixth would have happened without him.
22:32
Speaker 1: End quote. I think that's probably true.
22:35
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Like we were just saying, like, he's the only
22:39
Speaker 3: ideologue that we've got that could do something like.
22:42
Speaker 1: That, and he didn't have to have that fucking rally
22:45
Speaker 1: on January sixth. No, like, no, that was that was very,
22:50
Speaker 1: very avoidable. He waited something like three hours before he
22:56
Speaker 1: put out a message and called for people to stop.
22:59
Speaker 1: And here's the thing. That part is scary to me too,
23:02
Speaker 1: the part where he just went on TV and was
23:03
Speaker 1: like all right, cool it and everyone was like, okay,
23:05
Speaker 1: we'll leave now. Like, that part's terrifying. So one of
23:10
Speaker 1: the things that the report found is that in the
23:14
Speaker 1: months between election day and the riot, Trump and his
23:18
Speaker 1: people made at least two hundred attempts to pressure election officials,
23:24
Speaker 1: including at least sixty eight meetings, phone calls or texts,
23:28
Speaker 1: eighteen prominent public remarks, and one hundred and twenty five
23:33
Speaker 1: social media posts. See that's the other thing. That's the
23:37
Speaker 1: other reason this isn't ringing as many bells as the
23:41
Speaker 1: Mueller report. We saw all of this, like we know
23:44
Speaker 1: these phone calls happened. We saw the social media posts
23:47
Speaker 1: like it's good that all of this has been confirmed
23:50
Speaker 1: and put on the record in an official way. But
23:53
Speaker 1: if this is all they're coming back with, I'm not
23:55
Speaker 1: reading eight hundred and forty five pages to be told,
23:58
Speaker 1: Trump tweeted a bunch about not in the elections, like
24:01
Speaker 1: I know, I know.
24:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like this is the thing, Like, I'll
24:05
Speaker 3: let them read it now, they need to read it.
24:08
Speaker 3: I don't. I'm good, I get it.
24:10
Speaker 1: They also recommended a congressional ethics investigation of Kevin McCarthy.
24:14
Speaker 1: Come on, no, oh, what that guy?
24:18
Speaker 4: Wow.
24:19
Speaker 1: So let's talk about a couple of other things that
24:22
Speaker 1: have come out of this that are obviously still Trump related,
24:25
Speaker 1: but not quite as Trump related.
24:28
Speaker 4: Sure.
24:29
Speaker 1: First off, there are some electoral college reforms that have
24:34
Speaker 1: come out of the January sixth commite.
24:37
Speaker 3: Like abolser they're getting rid of it, right?
24:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think are they abolishing it all together? Let
24:40
Speaker 1: me check. No, Unfortunately, that is not what we're doing,
24:43
Speaker 1: because that seems like it would have been the easiest
24:46
Speaker 1: fix if they were to just come out and say, hey,
24:49
Speaker 1: let's just go with popular vote. What do you think?
24:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's just never it's never going to happen.
24:54
Speaker 3: I want it needs to happen, it should happen, but like,
24:57
Speaker 3: there's way too many vested ins in keeping that around
25:03
Speaker 3: that it's just not going to happen.
25:05
Speaker 1: But they did pass an overhaul of the Electoral Count
25:10
Speaker 1: Act as part of Congress's year end spending bill. Senate
25:15
Speaker 1: approved it to bipartisan support.
25:17
Speaker 3: Baby, yeah, now it goes we might need to read.
25:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, we probably need to see what else is in here.
25:24
Speaker 1: It goes to Biden to sign off on. He's probably
25:27
Speaker 1: gonna have to check with the Saudis first or something,
25:30
Speaker 1: but I'm sure it'll pass. One of the changes is
25:35
Speaker 1: added wording that makes it clear that the Vice president's
25:39
Speaker 1: role in the certification process is strictly ceremonial and has
25:44
Speaker 1: no say in determining who won. Which that's that's good.
25:48
Speaker 1: That's the part that almost got Mike Pence hanged last
25:52
Speaker 1: time around. So yeah, so yeah, protect Mike Pence.
25:57
Speaker 3: I guess I guess good.
26:00
Speaker 1: Hey, Mike Pence is safe that if you, I don't
26:04
Speaker 1: know how much. Probably none of Mike Pence's account of
26:08
Speaker 1: January sixth you've read, but it's actually pretty fascinating, Like, yeah,
26:13
Speaker 1: you can tell he kind of felt like Secret Service
26:17
Speaker 1: might kidnap him, like he had he has his own
26:20
Speaker 1: secret Service. And that guy was like, all right, get
26:23
Speaker 1: in this car, and Mike Pence was like, no, I'm
26:26
Speaker 1: not getting in a car without you, Like you were
26:29
Speaker 1: the only person on my side right now. It's fucking intense.
26:34
Speaker 3: Yeah.
26:35
Speaker 1: They also raised the threshold required for members of Congress
26:39
Speaker 1: to object to certifying the electors. Previously, only one member
26:44
Speaker 1: of the House and Senate had to object to force
26:48
Speaker 1: a role call. And it's a thing that happens a lot.
26:50
Speaker 1: Democrats did it to object to certifying George W. Bush
26:54
Speaker 1: and Trump both, but the difference is when Democrats did it,
26:58
Speaker 1: they had already conceded those When Republicans did it for
27:02
Speaker 1: Trump in twenty twenty, they were like minutes away from
27:06
Speaker 1: the riots having just ended.
27:09
Speaker 3: Also, George W. Bush had legitimately been illegally installed as president,
27:14
Speaker 3: and so I think protesting that was appropriate.
27:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Supreme Court gave George Bush that election. We
27:22
Speaker 1: still need to do an episode about the two thousand
27:24
Speaker 1: and four election that you.
27:26
Speaker 3: Could do like six.
27:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a legitimately shady election, and yeah, we
27:34
Speaker 1: didn't do shit about it, like not a thing. But
27:39
Speaker 1: that's neither here nor there. Republicans, we'll get to it.
27:43
Speaker 1: So now one fifth of each chamber would be required
27:47
Speaker 1: to force a vote. They also put a law in
27:49
Speaker 1: place that bars Congress from considering elector slates submitted by
27:53
Speaker 1: any state official other than the governor was required to
27:57
Speaker 1: sign off on slates before they're sent to Congress. And
28:01
Speaker 1: the new legislation also closes a loophole that wasn't used
28:04
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty that says a state legislature can name
28:07
Speaker 1: electors in defiance of their state's popular vote in the
28:11
Speaker 1: event of a quote failed election. You won't believe this,
28:15
Speaker 1: but up to this point, failed hadn't really been defined
28:20
Speaker 1: all that well. So you could, you know, get a
28:23
Speaker 1: governor who comes out and says, well, too many black
28:27
Speaker 1: people voted, so this is a failed election. Let's send
28:31
Speaker 1: an alternate slate of electors, So now that can't happen. Cool. Also,
28:35
Speaker 1: abolish the fucking electoral college.
28:37
Speaker 3: Yeah, we should get rid of it. It doesn't apply
28:41
Speaker 3: to our modern world.
28:44
Speaker 1: No, no, it really doesn't. But let's talk about this
28:47
Speaker 1: next story. This is the story that it might be
28:51
Speaker 1: the weirdest to me, sure, or maybe I'm just overthinking it.
28:56
Speaker 1: Do you find any part of this next story suspicious
28:59
Speaker 1: at all?
29:01
Speaker 3: I mean, I obviously there are a lot of weird
29:05
Speaker 3: and suspicious and shady things about this story, But the
29:11
Speaker 3: connection between a crypto guy and the Proud Boys is
29:16
Speaker 3: not especially shocking to me. I don't find that too.
29:21
Speaker 1: I don't find that part shocking at all.
29:23
Speaker 3: That's not the part that's I mean, obviously there's weird shit.
29:26
Speaker 1: Because here's the thing. A crypto bro accidentally wrote the
29:31
Speaker 1: Proud Boys Capital storming document. And that's the headline you're seeing,
29:35
Speaker 1: is that a crypto advocate. They call him, you know,
29:40
Speaker 1: they don't call him a crypto bro. That's that's me talking, sure,
29:43
Speaker 1: he is absolutely a crypto bro. And that's what all
29:47
Speaker 1: the headlines are saying is, oh, this crypto guy wrote
29:51
Speaker 1: this document and handed it off to the Proud Boys.
29:54
Speaker 1: What they're not saying is that crypto guy was like
29:57
Speaker 1: a he wasn't CIA, but he was like Special Operations
30:03
Speaker 1: and was being groomed to join the CIA before he
30:07
Speaker 1: conveniently pivoted to crypto And none of the headlines are
30:11
Speaker 1: mentioning that part that a government official wrote the Proud
30:17
Speaker 1: Boys seventeen seventy six returns document as right part of
30:22
Speaker 1: his like like he says it was a private document
30:25
Speaker 1: that he just wrote as part of like some wargame
30:27
Speaker 1: stuff he was putting together. H But it's like, yeah,
30:31
Speaker 1: you do that in your spare time. Sure that wasn't
30:33
Speaker 1: like games. Sure that wasn't work related at all.
30:36
Speaker 3: Like what kind of wargame involves this? I would love
30:42
Speaker 3: to know, like it needs Like I don't necessarily doubt
30:45
Speaker 3: that this was developed for wargame. But was it like
30:50
Speaker 3: a leftist Sevci's control of the nation and we must
30:53
Speaker 3: take it back wargame because in that case, it's not
30:57
Speaker 3: like much of a defense buddy.
30:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's as he wrote it for like a war
31:01
Speaker 1: games type thing, but he was laying out a scenario
31:05
Speaker 1: where a right wing element could basically take over the government.
31:10
Speaker 3: Yeah.
31:11
Speaker 1: The document is called seventeen seventy six Returns, and we.
31:15
Speaker 3: Should we should fucking right wing be They're so fucking nerdy,
31:20
Speaker 3: they're just such losers. Oh my god, seventeen seventy six Returns.
31:25
Speaker 3: Fuck off Jesus.
31:26
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, I'm not a single flute in that fucking crowd.
31:30
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, this is seventeen seventy six Returns. Where's the
31:33
Speaker 3: musical numbers?
31:34
Speaker 1: Ah, where's the drums? Where are the fucking drums?
31:37
Speaker 3: Give me a fucking fife, man, And here's the thing.
31:40
Speaker 1: I bet there was. I bet there was absolutely fucking
31:44
Speaker 1: larp ass motherfucker playing drums in the fucking fight, wearing
31:48
Speaker 1: a stupid goddamn.
31:49
Speaker 3: Hat fuck trike corner hat motherfucker.
31:54
Speaker 1: So this document seventeen seventy six returns. It is kind
31:58
Speaker 1: of the centerpiece of conspiracy charges that Proud Boys leaders
32:03
Speaker 1: are facing over the Capitol riot. And it's a document
32:07
Speaker 1: that outlined strategic plans for the takeover of US government buildings.
32:13
Speaker 1: On January sixth, twenty twenty one, called for occupying several
32:17
Speaker 1: DC government buildings, three Senate offices, three Congress offices, the
32:22
Speaker 1: Supreme Court, and the CNN headquarters in d C. Nerds, Yeah,
32:28
Speaker 1: fucking nerds, Like why just CNN And maybe they're the
32:32
Speaker 1: only ones who have a building in DC, but like
32:34
Speaker 1: there's gonna be other news outlets who don't agree with you.
32:38
Speaker 3: That's like CNN is the symbolic yeah enemy.
32:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, I owned a CNN T shirt for a while,
32:48
Speaker 1: And it's a fun way to like smoke out right
32:52
Speaker 1: wingers in your orbit, because anyone who looks at and goes, oh,
32:56
Speaker 1: you look fake news, it's like, oh, I know what,
32:58
Speaker 1: I know who the fuck you are?
33:00
Speaker 3: Gross. I mean, like, yeah, CNN sucks, but you're saying.
33:06
Speaker 1: They absolutely suck. Weirdly, the Capitol was not on the
33:10
Speaker 1: list of buildings to infiltrate.
33:13
Speaker 3: I would say, and I'm not a legal expert, but
33:17
Speaker 3: if there's one thing that would be a way to
33:20
Speaker 3: get these people like out of trouble, it's that, Yes,
33:23
Speaker 3: the fact that the Capitol building isn't on their supposed plan.
33:28
Speaker 1: Right, it's shown in a Google Map screenshot on the
33:32
Speaker 1: final page of the document. And we'll talk about the
33:36
Speaker 1: guy who wrote it in a minute, but that's kind
33:38
Speaker 1: of his argument, is well, he wrote like the foundation
33:42
Speaker 1: of it, and then it got to the Proud Boys
33:45
Speaker 1: and they added all this extra shit, So that would
33:48
Speaker 1: explain the Capital only showing up in a Google Map
33:52
Speaker 1: screen shot. I guess I'm just doing a little bit
33:55
Speaker 1: of lawyer in here on this guy.
33:57
Speaker 3: Sure behalf Like, I'm not thinking that this guy is
34:00
Speaker 3: or any of the Proud Boys are innocent, so to speak,
34:04
Speaker 3: But that would just that's just the first thing that
34:07
Speaker 3: pops to my mind as like, oh, that seems like
34:09
Speaker 3: an easy loophole.
34:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a five stage plan infiltrate, execute, distract, occupy
34:18
Speaker 1: sit in. I'm guessing from where it is in the
34:21
Speaker 1: hierarchy that execute doesn't actually mean execute government officials. This
34:27
Speaker 1: feels like more of a protest than a murder plan.
34:31
Speaker 3: Just gonna say, yeah, if it's if it's killing people,
34:34
Speaker 3: I feel like execute has to come after sit in.
34:38
Speaker 3: Otherwise it's a weird de escalation.
34:41
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, by that point, like you should just move
34:43
Speaker 1: in if if you've pulled off all that other shit,
34:47
Speaker 1: it's hot work.
34:48
Speaker 3: Also, occupy and sit in our separate Like.
34:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, steps those those are two two different things for
34:55
Speaker 1: some reason, But I haven't read the document. I'm not
34:58
Speaker 1: a proud boy. No, it feels like such a weird thing.
35:03
Speaker 1: I'm not a proud boy shamed.
35:06
Speaker 3: Not only not only is it a weird thing to
35:09
Speaker 3: say about yourself, Like it's a it's a very stupid name.
35:12
Speaker 3: It sounds like something that Toddler would say. It's like
35:15
Speaker 3: you're talking about that, Oh, who's a proud boy. But
35:17
Speaker 3: also it comes from Aladdin.
35:19
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, I forgot about that.
35:22
Speaker 3: Like it comes from a song that was deleted from
35:25
Speaker 3: Aladdin called Proud of Your Boy. And they're like they
35:29
Speaker 3: deleted that song so that boys wouldn't feel proud. So
35:33
Speaker 3: we're gonna be the Proud Boys. It's like you are
35:36
Speaker 3: getting upset about a deleted Disney.
35:40
Speaker 1: Song Disney outtake.
35:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jesus, guys, Calm, calm the fucked out.
35:46
Speaker 1: Waiting for the box set. It'll come out, jeez. So
35:51
Speaker 1: what's weird about this document is who wrote it and
35:55
Speaker 1: how it got to the Proud Boys, Like we said,
35:58
Speaker 1: a crypto bro from Florida named Samuel Armis told the
36:02
Speaker 1: January sixth Committee during an interview that he didn't write
36:06
Speaker 1: the document and had no role in the planning or
36:10
Speaker 1: execution of the riot, but he said he did help
36:12
Speaker 1: formulate some of the ideas that the document relied on.
36:17
Speaker 1: And what I find suss here again is that all
36:22
Speaker 1: of these articles just describe him as a cryptocurrency advocate. Sure,
36:26
Speaker 1: what they don't call him is a former State Department
36:29
Speaker 1: and Special Operations official who was quote groomed to join
36:35
Speaker 1: the CIA and FBI before his stint in the State
36:39
Speaker 1: Department and Special Operations end quote. He says the poll
36:45
Speaker 1: the parts of the seventeen seventy six document he recognized
36:49
Speaker 1: as his work were written as part of a quote
36:52
Speaker 1: wargaming exercise end quote that he did in August or
36:56
Speaker 1: September of twenty twenty, so you know, mere months before
37:02
Speaker 1: the Capitol riot, a former special Operations officer writes a
37:09
Speaker 1: strategic plan for occupying government buildings in Washington, DC. And
37:17
Speaker 1: he says it was meant to be a private document,
37:20
Speaker 1: but also that he shared it with a crypto friend
37:22
Speaker 1: named Erica Flores. Sure, and he said, this is where
37:27
Speaker 1: the stories diverge. He says he just forgot all about it,
37:32
Speaker 1: and then at one point he recognizes some of his
37:36
Speaker 1: thoughts and ideas in this Proud Boys document. What Erica
37:40
Speaker 1: Flores says is no, this guy wrote it and asked
37:43
Speaker 1: me to give it to the leader of the Proud Boys.
37:45
Speaker 1: He knew that we were friends and he just asked.
37:48
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, but the second one sounds more reasonable
37:52
Speaker 1: to me, Like I think this guy just wrote this
37:55
Speaker 1: and gave it to the Proud Boys.
37:58
Speaker 3: Sure, I don't know.
38:01
Speaker 1: I mean it does. It matters a little bit, because I'm.
38:05
Speaker 3: Not dismissing it. It's just that, like I literally have
38:08
Speaker 3: no way of knowing whether what should account of this
38:11
Speaker 3: is true. And I totally can like buy that he
38:14
Speaker 3: is the guy who wrote this, especially with his weird
38:18
Speaker 3: ass background.
38:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is interesting to me because there have always
38:23
Speaker 1: been those rumors surrounding the Capitol riot that the FBI
38:30
Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily involved. Well, I mean I've heard the FBI
38:33
Speaker 1: was involved, sure, like all the way down to Well,
38:37
Speaker 1: the FBI knew that something might happen and just didn't
38:41
Speaker 1: really say anything. And I'm gonna be honest, that is
38:45
Speaker 1: vintage FBI, if nothing else, Like we know the FBI,
38:50
Speaker 1: by their own admission, there were like ten FBI agents
38:54
Speaker 1: in the room when Malcolm X was killed. Sure, so
38:57
Speaker 1: they definitely weren't involved. They were just there as you know,
39:00
Speaker 1: excited spectators to see it happen.
39:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've always had an interest in the black freedom.
39:06
Speaker 3: It was sorry, I just keep every time this comes up,
39:09
Speaker 3: I think about that quote from the FBI museum.
39:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've always been very interested in civil rights. Yeah, yeah,
39:17
Speaker 1: you sure have, you sure have. And I don't know,
39:21
Speaker 1: this just kind of reeks of that to me. Also,
39:25
Speaker 1: like this this feels like, I mean, he's he's the
39:28
Speaker 1: one who said he was being groomed to join the
39:31
Speaker 1: CIA or FBI, and we know he was working in
39:36
Speaker 1: special operations, which just sounds like domestic CIA probably sure,
39:42
Speaker 1: And so like, I don't know that someone in that
39:45
Speaker 1: position wrote this and then passed it off to the
39:48
Speaker 1: Proud Boys. It feels conspiratorial to.
39:51
Speaker 3: Me, sure, but I know what you mean.
39:54
Speaker 1: Apparently the January sixth Committee did not see it that way.
39:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I guess we'll find out more of it. Yeah,
40:02
Speaker 3: but who knows. I mean, yeah, Like I had nothing
40:05
Speaker 3: about this would surprise me if like more evidence came out.
40:09
Speaker 1: And the thing about the Capital Riots that always stood
40:13
Speaker 1: out to me is that it was, whether it was
40:16
Speaker 1: intended to be or not, it was a really great
40:19
Speaker 1: honeypot operation because given all of the cameras and all
40:24
Speaker 1: the facial recognition technology we have, like that was a
40:28
Speaker 1: great way to smoke out like the truly most radical
40:32
Speaker 1: elements in American politics and get them all in the
40:36
Speaker 1: same place where you can identify them and infiltrate their shit.
40:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, although I feel like if it were like this
40:44
Speaker 3: has been kind of my whole thing about the January
40:47
Speaker 3: six is that, like, if it were really the most
40:50
Speaker 3: radical elements of the fringe right, I feel like more
40:54
Speaker 3: people would have died.
40:56
Speaker 1: Right, And so does that speak to there being some
40:59
Speaker 1: government involvement? Because they did get right they got right
41:04
Speaker 1: to the cusp. They were so fucking close, and then
41:08
Speaker 1: it just like kind of stopped. There were moments where
41:11
Speaker 1: there were actually elected officials, like up in the balcony areas. Yeah,
41:17
Speaker 1: and the rioters were just down there and like either
41:20
Speaker 1: didn't see the people up there or didn't care that
41:23
Speaker 1: there were people up there. So I don't know.
41:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
41:28
Speaker 1: So let's talk about the big question. Sure, here, can
41:33
Speaker 1: Trump still run for office if he is convicted of
41:37
Speaker 1: a felony goes to prison, Will that bar him from
41:40
Speaker 1: running for president in the future. And here's the thing,
41:43
Speaker 1: probably not.
41:44
Speaker 3: No.
41:45
Speaker 1: Well link to an Ohio Capital Journal article written by
41:49
Speaker 1: a writer named Stephanie Lundquist. Really well written, goes into
41:53
Speaker 1: all of the ins and outs of this question and
41:55
Speaker 1: all the possible scenarios. But the first thing they point
42:00
Speaker 1: now is the simplest, which is that the Constitution is
42:04
Speaker 1: pretty clear about what the requirements to run for president are,
42:07
Speaker 1: and they are No person except a natural born citizen
42:12
Speaker 1: or a citizen of the United States at the time
42:15
Speaker 1: of the adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to
42:18
Speaker 1: the office of President. Neither shall any person be eligible
42:22
Speaker 1: to that office who shall not have attained to the
42:25
Speaker 1: age of thirty five years and been fourteen years a
42:29
Speaker 1: resident within the United States. So the new fangled way
42:33
Speaker 1: of saying that is you have to be thirty five
42:36
Speaker 1: years old, you have to be a resident, and you
42:38
Speaker 1: have to have been a resident for fourteen years. That's it.
42:41
Speaker 1: That's it.
42:42
Speaker 4: Yep.
42:42
Speaker 1: All the Constitution says doesn't say anything about being a
42:47
Speaker 1: convicted felon.
42:48
Speaker 3: No, And I'd like to say, I think that's good. Yeah,
42:52
Speaker 3: I don't think being a convicted felon should bar you
42:55
Speaker 3: from running for any office, especially president, because, especially with
43:00
Speaker 3: our fucking justice system, that should just not be something
43:04
Speaker 3: like it's weird to say that when we're talking about
43:07
Speaker 3: it in the context of Trump, who obviously sucks ass.
43:11
Speaker 3: And I would not want running to be able to
43:13
Speaker 3: run for president again, but like we have no reason,
43:17
Speaker 3: Like I just don't want to ever be the person saying, yeah,
43:21
Speaker 3: if someone's a convicted fella, they shouldn't be able to
43:23
Speaker 3: run for office. Absolutely should be able to absolutely should
43:26
Speaker 3: be able to vote, and have all the rights of
43:28
Speaker 3: a citizen agreed.
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Speaker 1: The article also points out, though, that the Supreme Court
43:34
Speaker 1: has made it pretty clear that Congress and or the
43:37
Speaker 1: States have no authority to alter the qualifications for holding
43:41
Speaker 1: public office. They point to a nineteen sixty nine ruling
43:45
Speaker 1: nice after the House of Representatives barred pastor and New
43:49
Speaker 1: York politician Adam Clayton Powell Junior from taking his seat
43:54
Speaker 1: in the ninetieth Congress. They wanted to ban him because
43:57
Speaker 1: he diverted campaign funds and made false reports. Supreme Court
44:02
Speaker 1: rule they couldn't do that, and Powell was allowed to
44:05
Speaker 1: take office. And so it seems like if it comes
44:08
Speaker 1: down to it, I mean, of course, the Supreme Court
44:11
Speaker 1: is going to side with Trump anyway, like as it's
44:15
Speaker 1: currently constructed, but it seems like historically they're just going
44:19
Speaker 1: to side with Trump also. But there is section three
44:24
Speaker 1: of the fourteenth Amendment which disqualifies any person from holding
44:28
Speaker 1: federal office quote, who, having previously taken an oath to
44:32
Speaker 1: support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged
44:37
Speaker 1: in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid
44:43
Speaker 1: or comfort to the enemies thereof. That's the one that
44:47
Speaker 1: might keep Trump from running again, because that is one
44:51
Speaker 1: of the charges, is giving aid or comfort to an insurrection.
44:56
Speaker 1: So if he is charged and convicted of that crime,
45:01
Speaker 1: according to the Constitution, he should not be able to
45:04
Speaker 1: run for president again.
45:06
Speaker 3: And I think that's fair. I think that's a wholly
45:09
Speaker 3: different matter than being a felon. Yeah, like, this is
45:13
Speaker 3: very specific circumstances.
45:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's way different than you have DUIs on your record.
45:18
Speaker 1: You can't be president. It's like, sure you can, why not?
45:22
Speaker 1: Very different thing, right, So even then that's probably going
45:26
Speaker 1: to go back and forth in court. Sure, if it happens,
45:31
Speaker 1: he could still run even if he is in prison.
45:34
Speaker 1: That is a thing that's happened. In seventeen ninety eight,
45:38
Speaker 1: House Member Matthew Lyon was elected to Congress from a
45:41
Speaker 1: jail cell. Eugene Debs, who was the founder of the
45:45
Speaker 1: Socialist Party of America, ran for president in nineteen twenty
45:48
Speaker 1: while serving a prison sentence for sedition yikes, and won
45:53
Speaker 1: more than nine hundred thousand votes. And Lyndon Larush's crazy
45:57
Speaker 1: ass also ran for president from a jail cell in
46:00
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two.
46:01
Speaker 3: God, I forgot about Lyndon LaRue. Jesus fucking Christ.
46:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, we did an episode about him. He was He
46:08
Speaker 1: was a real character. I know, a comedian whose brother
46:10
Speaker 1: like fell into the Lyndon Larouge.
46:13
Speaker 3: Cult weird wrapped up in it.
46:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's you don't expect that like now, like in
46:20
Speaker 1: modern times, did Lyndon Larouge die. I don't even know
46:23
Speaker 1: what that fucking guy looks like.
46:25
Speaker 3: I have no idea. If he's still alive.
46:27
Speaker 1: Well, the people need to know. He died in twenty nineteen,
46:32
Speaker 1: but Olivia the movement carries on. Oh good, don't worry.
46:37
Speaker 3: I was. I was worried.
46:39
Speaker 1: So yeah, it seems like this, unless he gets literally
46:43
Speaker 1: charged with insurrection, is probably not going to keep Trump
46:47
Speaker 1: from running again. But right if he was in prison
46:50
Speaker 1: and somehow got elected, the vice president could always just
46:54
Speaker 1: like twenty fifth Amendment him, so sure we'd have that
46:57
Speaker 1: going for us. But also, there's no way Trump is
47:00
Speaker 1: winning an election in twenty twenty four. I think all
47:04
Speaker 1: of this like it's interesting legal talk, but I don't
47:07
Speaker 1: think anyone's under the impression that Trump's going to win
47:11
Speaker 1: an actual election in twenty twenty four. I don't. I
47:15
Speaker 1: think we have hit the point in history where he's
47:17
Speaker 1: not going to get the Republican nomination, Like they would
47:20
Speaker 1: be out of their minds to not nominate Ron DeSantis
47:25
Speaker 1: the way he performed in Florida, he won like one
47:29
Speaker 1: hundred and eighteen percent of the vote. There's no way.
47:31
Speaker 3: But like DeSantis against independent Trump, I don't think stands
47:37
Speaker 3: a chance.
47:38
Speaker 1: Well that's the thing. I do feel like Trump will
47:41
Speaker 1: run as an independent sure, and if that is at
47:46
Speaker 1: all close in the end, there will be another Capital riot.
47:51
Speaker 1: There will absolutely let It'll just be directed at Ron DeSantis,
47:56
Speaker 1: I guess.
47:56
Speaker 3: But like and also like, there's no way if Trump
47:59
Speaker 3: runs it that his vice presidential pick would be someone
48:04
Speaker 3: who would twenty fifth amendment him.
48:05
Speaker 1: Oh no, if he was in prison, well, I don't know,
48:09
Speaker 1: because Trump is gonna pick some evil fuck face. Like
48:13
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be like Carrie Lake or Marjorie
48:15
Speaker 1: Taylor Green. And in that case, I don't trust them
48:18
Speaker 1: to not stab Trump in the back if he's in prison.
48:22
Speaker 3: Maybe, but I feel like anybody, first of all, he's
48:25
Speaker 3: gonna be very selected. I don't think we're gonna get
48:27
Speaker 3: another Mike Pins or somebody, you know, like I do think.
48:31
Speaker 1: I do think it's gonna be carry Lake.
48:32
Speaker 3: Maybe, But like the thing is, like I feel like
48:36
Speaker 3: anybody who they're not gonna backstab him because they know
48:40
Speaker 3: that he's where the power comes. It's much easier to work,
48:44
Speaker 3: like exercise power through him, yeah, than it is to
48:47
Speaker 3: try to take his power, because you can't. If you
48:51
Speaker 3: backstab him, his followers are not gonna be on your side.
48:54
Speaker 1: Oh no, definitely not. I mean it's I was just
48:57
Speaker 1: offering it up as a possible solution. I don't think
49:01
Speaker 1: it would actually happen, sure, But again, I also don't
49:05
Speaker 1: think Trump is going to win an election fair and square,
49:09
Speaker 1: even if he runs as a third party, because there
49:14
Speaker 1: is a big cult of personality around Ron DeSantis too.
49:20
Speaker 1: And Ron DeSantis is going to be offered up as
49:25
Speaker 1: a moderate alternative to Trump, which is bullshit. He's not
49:30
Speaker 1: moderate in the slightest like he is Trump. The only
49:34
Speaker 1: difference is he doesn't dispute the results of the twenty
49:36
Speaker 1: twenty election. The bar is so low now that like
49:40
Speaker 1: that makes him moderate compared to Trump in a lot
49:43
Speaker 1: of people's eyes. And I tell you where he will
49:47
Speaker 1: also get secret votes is he'll get some votes from
49:53
Speaker 1: people who maybe consider themselves like Democrats or more liberal leaning,
50:00
Speaker 1: but who also feel like woke is getting a little
50:04
Speaker 1: out of control. He'll get votes from them too, because
50:08
Speaker 1: that's Ron DeSantis's whole thing is Florida is where woke
50:14
Speaker 1: goes to die, and great, I'm telling you he will.
50:19
Speaker 1: People won't be vocal about it. It'll be that like
50:22
Speaker 1: silent majority type shit where people are like, yeah, man,
50:25
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not voting for Ron de Santis, and
50:28
Speaker 1: those motherfuckers will secretly vote for Ron de Santis just
50:32
Speaker 1: so like white dudes get more representation in movies going forward.
50:36
Speaker 1: I don't know, but maybe DeSantis is he's he's going
50:40
Speaker 1: to be a dangerous candidate in twenty twenty four.
50:44
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously he's an evil piece of shit who
50:48
Speaker 3: uh should be strung behind a horse and ridden through
50:52
Speaker 3: the country. But like you know, yeah, I don't know
50:56
Speaker 3: as for whether like Trump would take the election or
50:59
Speaker 3: I don't know, do something to seize control. Maybe, but he,
51:04
Speaker 3: I like with Trump, I could also just as easily
51:09
Speaker 3: see him like being a lazy bitch about it because
51:13
Speaker 3: he like those are the two wolves inside of him
51:16
Speaker 3: are power hungry, egomaniac and a lazy bitch.
51:20
Speaker 1: And so yeah, he just he hates to lose, that's
51:24
Speaker 1: the problem. And yeah, I don't know, that's just his
51:28
Speaker 1: base is so fucking unpredictable. That's it is. That's I agree,
51:32
Speaker 1: the whole thing. And they're so committed to him as
51:36
Speaker 1: a person that, like any like if it comes to
51:39
Speaker 1: pass that he has charged and arrested, like that's gonna
51:42
Speaker 1: be the thing. We won't have to wait until twenty
51:44
Speaker 1: twenty four, Like, yeah, that will turn into that's where
51:48
Speaker 1: the protests will come from. And then it's kind of like,
51:52
Speaker 1: you know, the NFL playoffs, Like it doesn't matter how
51:55
Speaker 1: bad a team is, once they get to the playoffs,
51:58
Speaker 1: there's a decent chance they might win the super Bowl.
52:01
Speaker 1: And if you get to the point where enough people
52:05
Speaker 1: take to the streets because they're mad that Trump isn't
52:08
Speaker 1: going to be allowed to run for office, it's kind
52:11
Speaker 1: of up to the military at that point. You gotta
52:14
Speaker 1: hope the military makes the right choice and sides with
52:19
Speaker 1: the government and not the people. I feel weird saying that, but.
52:24
Speaker 3: I don't know about any of that, but I.
52:27
Speaker 1: Will say that's how KU's happened, Like it down to
52:31
Speaker 1: who the military sides with.
52:33
Speaker 3: I absolutely understand that. But I will say that it's
52:37
Speaker 3: a good thing that we have such a strong incumbent
52:42
Speaker 3: in uh a, wait, Joe Biden. Fuck well, Biden.
52:48
Speaker 1: We also have that system of checks and balances that
52:51
Speaker 1: will keep Trump from ever taking power.
52:53
Speaker 3: Oh sure, yeah, and that's been really good at dealing
52:55
Speaker 3: with him in the past.
52:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's it's taken care of everything. So yeah,
53:00
Speaker 1: I guess we'll see how this week unfolds. Uh, got
53:03
Speaker 1: that anniversary coming up, and uh, yeah, this is this
53:06
Speaker 1: is a story we'll keep following. Obviously, this is a
53:09
Speaker 1: this is a big one. And if you've read the
53:12
Speaker 1: eight hundred and forty five page January sixth Committee report,
53:16
Speaker 1: please report back to me and Olivia with what's in it. Actually, don't,
53:20
Speaker 1: because we'd have to just glorify it for ourselves at
53:23
Speaker 1: that point. Might as well just read it. You know.
53:26
Speaker 1: A bunch of lamees go to the library, push our
53:29
Speaker 1: glasses up. Ooh, looks meeting books in the government.
53:34
Speaker 3: Uh look, sometimes my glasses slip to the base of
53:38
Speaker 3: my nose and I need to push them back up.
53:41
Speaker 1: Can't help it while I'm correcting someone's point about Marvel.
53:45
Speaker 3: Movements, I can't help the timing.
53:49
Speaker 1: So I think that's our episode, right, I think so.
53:52
Speaker 1: I think we did it. We're talking about some equally
53:56
Speaker 1: heavy subject matter next week. On.
53:59
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely.
54:01
Speaker 1: A bonus episode about a documentary that we've covered one
54:07
Speaker 1: of them. We covered the first documentary on the Pretty
54:10
Speaker 1: Scary podcast. Me and Cindy Ravina covered it, and Olivia
54:15
Speaker 1: and I are covering part two of the Sir No
54:18
Speaker 1: Face documentary this one two Face the Gray and now.
54:23
Speaker 3: If you can believe it, the name makes even less
54:27
Speaker 3: sense than sir No Face.
54:29
Speaker 1: So it sure does. So h be on the lookout
54:33
Speaker 1: for that. That'll be a bonus episode coming out next week.
54:36
Speaker 1: And do we have anything to plug before we get
54:39
Speaker 1: out of here? I am doing comedy again for the
54:42
Speaker 1: first time since COVID. I have a show February third
54:46
Speaker 1: at the Sardine in San Pedro. It is a punk
54:51
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54:56
Speaker 1: very neat venue. Tickets are going to be cheap. They'll
54:59
Speaker 1: be on sale soon. They're only five dollars. I'm gonna
55:02
Speaker 1: be on it. Jeff May will be on it. A
55:04
Speaker 1: Tiff Myers is hosting, and we're still booking more comics.
55:10
Speaker 1: Danger and countless thousands are doing a set. So come
55:15
Speaker 1: out comedy and music please, And uh, that's all I
55:20
Speaker 1: want to plug? How about you. What do you got.
55:23
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55:29
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55:41
Speaker 1: Do that and uh, I think that's it. Let's get
55:44
Speaker 1: out of here, Olivia say goodbye bye, goodbye, everybody. We
55:48
Speaker 1: love you.
55:53
Speaker 4: People, Instant Strut, Instant Station, and the Bats.
56:07
Speaker 1: That is true.