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Johnathan Drayton | The Christian Reeve Podcast #201 · The Christian Reeve Podcast

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Hello. Hello and welcome to another
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episode of the Christian. We podcast.
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Today's guest is a Christian philosopher and podcaster
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hailing all the way from Brooklyn in the United States.
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His name is Jonathan Drayton, welcome to the show.
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Jonathan Hayden, I'm doing. Well, thanks for having me by
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the way, I'm going to subscribe or your channel and I have to
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say yeah, really enjoy your you sure.
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Thank you so much, man. That means the world to me to
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hear and like I'm kind of just fat.
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I'm always fascinated by it. By my guests.
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But like, I just got a ask you right off the bat, man.
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What is a Christian philosopher? How does that work?
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Surely, that's okay. Is that I did?
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I know I was gonna say it was juxtaposition, like, it's two
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opposites but no, you can be you can philosophize Christianity.
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Yeah, I know. Tell me, what is a Christian
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philosopher? So this is something that I came
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up with, but I would say I'm a Christian first and whatever
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topic I'm interested in. I am second but I think you The
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Christian doctor Christopher position Christian that sure,
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right. I think when you look at the
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word philosophy, its love of wisdom.
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So I am actually person that loves wisdom.
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The only difference for me is I look at philosophy in a context,
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love and God's word Through the Bible.
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So all I do is all my arguments, a centered around the belief of
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Gods, the government God's justice odds of, and or the
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arguments are centered around the message of the Gospel.
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So, that's pretty much what it is.
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Love wisdom. I prefer most of the wisdom to
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come out of word of God and that's kind of like my filter,
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you know, my compass of how I view the world and how I
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approach things and how I intend to interact.
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So that's really pretty much what it is.
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You know, a lot of people view it as if they have this, some
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sort of conflict. But I think you could be
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mutually exclusive, it could be diametrically opposed the
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question becomes to what extent and to how far are you willing
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to take, you know, those two positions and and you know I
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think that average philosopher loves to be free from the
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constraint of a basis of something that centered around a
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limitation. Ian Wright.
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So they like to be free thinkers based upon the knowledge and
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insight that they learn over a period of time.
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And at least for someone like me I believe the buck stops and
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therefore I learned over time to see how things fall in line with
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least where my faith lies. leads into what I was going to ask you
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next, which is when you, you must find times in your life,
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where there is sort of a conflict of interest to a
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conflict of beliefs and When you reach those, how do you tackle
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them? I mean, because when I look at
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like, I will just say now for those listening where I
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personally, lean is somewhere kind of like in spiritualism or
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agnostic, you know, reason I'm not an atheist and I've said in
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the past, sometimes I'm an atheist and they're normally
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change that Nago, I'm agnostic. Because for me, it's like, I'm
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open to the idea and a possibilities.
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And I like to explore, like, all religions to try and find.
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And whatever makes sense to me. Personally, you know?
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But to me it's like a whole journey that you take yourself
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on and you're constantly like reflecting and wondering and
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such. But it was interesting to me is
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when someone chooses a particular faith and sticks with
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a, where that kind of leaves you, when, for example, certain
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things in your life, you know, test your belief systems, or,
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you know, maybe there isn't an answer for specifically the
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problem that you're having How do you deal with those kind of
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conflicts and where that leaves your belief system?
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Yeah. So you know, one of them faced
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with, you know, push back on base with adversity, right?
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Understand that. That's part of the journey in
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anything, right? You know, show me the person
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that's live life and doesn't have any scars right?
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As it been through some things think, if in life, you know,
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part of the Christian walk isn't Bracing, what would be
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considered a sorry, right? I think it's part of this stage
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that mows you, right? So, if I made this to scriptures
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that I can think of right now that shape my reality, at least
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gets me to a place that I can understand that.
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It's actually for my benefit of an example asses in the Book of
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James that says consider it pure joy.
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When You Face trials and tribulations to know that the
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testing of your faith produces Variants that press event has
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finished his work so that you may be mature and complete not
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lacking anything. If anyone lacks anything at the
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max God who gives generously without finding for this
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surpasses in Romans Chapter 5 Verse 3 to 5 that tells you
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rejoice in your suffering, because suffering, produces
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perseverance, perseverance produces character and character
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produces hope. And hope does not put you to
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shame because the Holy Spirit has been I poured out onto you.
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When I face situations, I've learned to embrace them because
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out of it, you become a better person, right?
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I think in order for a person to mature and to appreciate
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something, it has to be a counter, right?
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So it's sort of like, David. The Bible had a Goliath.
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I believe we all have a good life and I like so rather than
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running from The Challenge is embraced the challenge because
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once the challenge is over you come out of that situation, much
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better than you were when you went into it.
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And for someone like me Faith is that compass that steers me in
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the direction of embrace that situation as challenging me
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because at the end of the day I think just like anything else.
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There's a there's a resistance. It's that comes along that path
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of you trying to do what you feel is, right?
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And the question is, are you going to embrace that resistant
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or you're going to run away from you?
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That's kind of how when I see stuff that I deal with, I
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counted as Joy because it's necessary, it's like for my
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good, right? And I'll mention one more verse
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in Romans 8:28 it says, all things work together for those
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who love the Lord. And according according
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According to his purpose that situation that I'm going
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through. I believe, God is using it to
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help develop my character to help put me in a place where my
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faith increases and improves. But if resistance doesn't exist,
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and how can I say that I'm involved?
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I've improved, you know, I'm in a better place where any time
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something comes up, I can point to that situation, that shows
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that I've overcame the Stanchions.
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There are things in what you said that I believe in and
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there's other things that I question and this mainly comes
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from a combination of two things.
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One is my personal experience and the other is the experiences
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of many others that have communicated to me over the
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years Beyond social media, real life.
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And so on, what you were talking about, you know, with with
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having faith, you know, Pope belief could pushing forward in
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despite everything. I think that there is truth in
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that and whether that's because you believe in something bigger
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than yourself or over. That's just you believing in the
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fact that things will get better at some point.
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Sometimes, that doesn't apply. There are people sometimes the
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come into my live streams and you have managed to sort of
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create like a nice little safe space for people to talk and
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experience, share how they feel about certain things.
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And sometimes people come in there in a bit like what I've
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been dealing with x and x problems for years and years and
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years, and it never gets better. And what do I do?
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How can, how can I just have belief and faith in things when
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things never get better? And, you know, I Try to do my
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best to give people good advice, but I agree with them to like
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because I've been there like when you're going through stuff
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for many many years and it's just see, it feels like the
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world is just crashing on your shoulders.
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And life is just throwing you everything, and from it'll
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religious standpoint, I would, I would be angry if there was a
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god, I'd be like, you know, it's one thing to throw me tests in
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life and to keep pushing me into, you know, to give me To
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give me all these things. I need to move forward, but when
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it's just Relentless year, upon year, upon year, it makes you
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wonder when you think about when people take their lives or
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people, you know, find themselves in really tricky
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situations and they wonder how they can keep going.
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I don't know that it's necessarily enough to just have
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faith and, you know, hope that it will get better.
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I mean, when I look at my own personal experience, I can, I
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can empathize. I remember a time in my life
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when I was young and I hated life and it constantly felt like
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everything sucked all the time and it was never going to get
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better and You know what was ironic is that I my life changed
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it changed for the better but a lot of things had to change my
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life. Had to look completely different
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and then I entered probably the worst period of my life ever.
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So it kind of my life kind of went, you know, and then I do
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recognize How I changed as a person for the better.
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And I'm grateful for that. And in a weird kind of messed up
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way, I feel like it was necessary because now here I am
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the man that sits before you and speak speaking with you but at
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the same time I wonder and you know I think about things like
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is it fair is it just is it right?
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And the thing that kept me going is pure stubbornness, that's it.
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I just kept going because what else is there?
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I wasn't going to give up and Go down the path of us broke down
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before but I've been close. I've considered that I've you
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know but when you see your friends go down that route and
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you're like, okay, I just I didn't want to do that because I
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felt like I don't, I didn't to be honest, when I got to that
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decision of, then again, it goes back to the wider point.
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I guess about what we're talking about in this show is so, you
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know, doing things bigger than yourself.
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I decided to stay because of the people around me people that I
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love the people that I cared about.
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And I tried to kind of find a way to keep going.
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For them and not for me and that is positive.
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But you know it does need to be about you.
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That's the thing. You need to be happy because
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without you being happy, it's very difficult to keep moving
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forward, and keep pushing and bring it back to what we're
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talking about. Like, Because I know you're not
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saying to have Blind Faith. I know that's not what it is but
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at the same time it's like it's hard to just believe in the
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process and I think it's going to get better when all you seem
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to receive is challenges and tough things.
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And you know, I hear that there's friends I have who, you
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know, they describe themselves as being tough people but
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they're not happy about it. You know, I mean it's like you
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know, life keeps throwing these challenges and and yet life
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isn't getting better. I can deal with it.
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I can try and make the best of it, but why isn't it getting
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better so deflate? I guess what I'm trying to ask
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you is we've all of that is, is how do you advise?
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People in that position people that are going through a lot
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that may be a dealing with this for many, many years.
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How do you advise that from from your standpoint?
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Well, having a relationship, you know, with Christ, there's an
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understanding that Jesus said, in this life, you will face
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tribulation Now, you will have hardships.
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You are you what? You're going to experience hard
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time, but he says be a good cheer for I have overcome the
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world. So you know things are not going
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to be perfect but you know when you declare that Jesus Christ as
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your lord, you're going to be persecuted.
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Now, persecution may not be exactly what Jesus face but I
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remember when he was crucified and resurrected there were Many
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Christians who declared and said that they will follow the price
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and it says in the scriptures that 500 people witness.
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Resurrection a lot of them were tortured killed by a man named
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Mero, right? But to me what makes a person
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stable and their faith is that it's a conviction that a
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preference. So conviction is something that
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you believe no matter what. Circumstance that you have a
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preference is something that changes based upon new
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information. So there's a court case in 1982
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Jonas Yoder versus stick state of Wisconsin, right?
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So going a little history and what happened was he was told he
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was homeschooling his kids and I guess he was going to take them
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to school and at the time he was informed of told that you know
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certain Things that you were doing for your children, you can
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no longer do that anymore. So when it comes to having
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faith, you have to understand. At least, are you going to stand
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convicted? And what you believe, regardless
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of the circumstances? Are you going to fold and allow
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the circumstances to dictate their position that, right?
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And you mentioned something earlier that I read with.
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That the faith that I have, is it blind?
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But it's a trusted. Faith is a reason Faith.
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So there's something in the book of Hebrews chapter 11, that
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talks about the whole of faith, and it's different people that
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are being honored and there are mentioned in there.
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Some that aren't mentioned that speak about this lifestyle and
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what they went through and how the faith that they had was
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viewed as honorable Right. And unfortunately once you step
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into the real world, you have real life experiences, there's
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no easy way out. So I'm not going to tell you.
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There's an easy way out but there's an understanding that
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you're not alone. Right?
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There are other believers around the world.
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That's why there's a saying in Romans that we should usually
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encouraged by one another that share.
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And I saying understanding that is no easy.
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You know, receiving of the fact that when you stand for truth,
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they were people that agree with you, right?
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And at least, when it comes to me and sharing these things,
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have to be even kill in regards to people's willingness to
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accept it or people's willingness to reject it.
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I think there's an understanding that and the book of First Peter
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chapter 3, verse 15, it says always be prepared to give a
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reason for the hope that you have for do it.
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Gentle and respectful and I understand historically, you
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know, we can count the ways of how people have murdered and
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killed in the name of religion, right.
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And that's a huge problem. Getting back to the Catholic
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church in the 1800's, right? And is even and passes that that
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speaks about that too. And something, I Vish, he went
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to 66 where Jesus is having a conversation, as he answers into
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Samaria and their share. The gospel message and people
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are not responsive to it, don't want to hear it and immediately
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he's there. The two disciples are holding a
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passage in Elijah that he called on Fire Down, Heaven onto
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people. And what we see in that Texas,
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Jesus rebukes and said that, the son of man did not come.
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To kill lives, but to save them. So, it's all in the perspective
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and how we understand it. And I think when we look at,
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when the question that your action is, what do you say in
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these moments in these situations?
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When you're going through hard times in life?
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I think that that's part of life and every Circle, whether you're
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a Believer or not. I think that that's part of what
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you have to deal with, on a regular basis and I can speak
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from personal experience. My life hasn't been blue skies
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and Sun Shines. I've gone through quite a bit of
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stuff, but I understand that some of the things that I'm
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going through. It's I believe this part of his
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stage, interesting enough. I don't know if you're familiar
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with the story of Joseph for For his most of his young life in
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his father's house, he has brothers that were envious of
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him because of the guess that he had the ability to interpret
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dreams. And what happens is his brothers
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didn't like him and they sold him into slavery.
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Right. And then he went through a
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period in time when he was in jail.
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And it said, regardless of that period of time that God was with
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him in spite of it. Then Pharaoh's actual wife part
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of her said that he tried the vapor.
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So then he was placed inside the jail but in the midst of that,
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he saw that God's hand was still there.
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They were still grace and mercy and spite of the punishment that
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he was receiving. He's in jail and he get any
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gains favor with the warrant in jail.
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And he's put in charge of responsibilities, the he runs
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the East. There's a situation where you
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have a cup Bearer and a chief who enters the prison.
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And he finds out that they are having these weird dreams, he
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interprets the dreams and he expects one of them to go back
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and tell Pharaoh. So that he can say, hey, this
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guy can interpret dreams that he can remove himself out of the
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situation that he said, the guy forgets him who he is.
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Years go by. So imagine this is all suffering
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of suffering. Period of time that Joseph going
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through. 2 years goes by Farah has a dream, then is a
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conversation that. Hey, there is a man who
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interpret these two individuals dreams, he's in jail, he's
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brought to Pharaoh, he's told he his his dream.
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He's told her the dream and the next thing you know, he's in a
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position now where he's in second and ruin all of Egypt.
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So what do I say to that? All those experience up into
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that point when long periods are suffering, right?
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And then He finally was able to see the end of the tunnel.
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Like, thanks excited for him and then later on he speaks about
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how now he's in a predicament, when he starts a family and he
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has a wife and he has two kids and he's in a point now where in
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reflecting he says, you know, everything that had happened to
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me in the past, I don't even remember at this point.
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So I say this all to say that sometimes, you know your prime
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years, it's just success happens, in different stages of
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your life. Sometimes your successes early
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and then you suffer later. Sometimes, your success is much
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later in your life. Like I believe the ages of 25
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used to be what is considered your prime years now has shifted
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to 37 because you're looking at the success that you gained in
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the wisdom that you're getting over a period of time.
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Whether you started businesses, when you're opening new
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projects, whether you have more things to offer, whether your
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list on your resume is extending and I I'd say all those things
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work together for your good in the end because if you haven't
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gone through those things that you can't recall those
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experiences. And if those experiences don't
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happen, then you can't look back at it and say, you know, I've
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learned something from that experience.
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So I understand you know the toughest challenges that we go
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to in the stuff that we face and I've been there and I've had my
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car, I fix my car numerous times I got two hundred thirty two
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thousand miles in this car. Change the power steering pump
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out, I've changed a numerous around the things.
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And let me tell you, is kind of my pockets, but I know at the
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end later on, I'll be able to look at that and say, you know
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what, that was a period in time when I learned a lot about the
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cars and now I can pretty much tell you if I something's going
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on. I kind of know where it is, but
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I wouldn't have gotten to that point for didn't happen.
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So I think there are reasons for them and I think that's part of,
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you know, your growth. Age and your development.
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So that's just you know what I believe and I believe it's going
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to work for my good eventually. It's going to come out where
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I've benefited. You know, you raise a very good
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point and we did touch on it briefly earlier, but I think
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it's true. Like when especially when, when
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you get older and you look at people younger than you and
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you're advising them and they get a bit annoyed.
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You know, like, oh, you know, just because you're older
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doesn't mean you know, everything.
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Or if they say like, oh, I've been through things and they
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probably have but there's something to be said for, like,
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Getting older going through hardships and so on and or even
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just any age going through hardships and and how their ages
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you because it does age, you are, it does.
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It gives you like a sense of perspective that you can't.
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It's like once it happens. You can't go back.
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Yeah, that's, you know, and it's kind of terrifying in a way
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because it's like when I think about the bad things that
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happened in my life and the way I am, now I'm grateful to be the
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way I am, but I also remember who I used to be.
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B. That person's gone.
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He's never coming back. I mean, I'm glad he's not
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because you know, he was just a boy but at the same time some of
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that there's like a sadness there sometimes because it's
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like I look back and I'm like, part of the reason that that boy
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is gone is because life was was not kind and it was like, you
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know, you kind of pushed into into how you need to be and it's
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kind of So sweet, I think because you become the person
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that you were supposed to become.
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Yeah. But along the way, a lot of
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things had that happen for that and you know, even even when I
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just look at Jesus, right? You had a Ministry for three and
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a half years and he went through periods of time of healing,
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being, you know, praised by people.
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And then he went through a period of time when people were
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yelling, that he was going to die, going to be And all those
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cheers turned into angry voices and I can imagine you know, you
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having to die that way and then one minute of your life you
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looking at the great times you had and everything.
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So you know it's these stages that you he's a little stages
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that you go through and you kind of wonder why am I going through
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this? Why is it necessary?
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And I think as human being sometimes we're Square pain so
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close to the details and we don't look at The main points of
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Our Lives. It's the details that hurt us.
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And if we were concerned about every single detail, and I don't
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think we'll ever get to where we need to be.
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It's sort of like, hey, you need to go through this period in
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time, in order for you, to get to this point here and sometimes
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it's meeting. People is running into
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individuals that you're that, you know, you're in the right
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place at the right time, I call them Divine means because I
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think it's just a lawyer path to where you need to be and some
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things in place. Some things are not like just
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recently, I lend money to someone and they kind of
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promised me that they can, they can pay back.
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And I always say, you know, if you can't pay it back, always
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make sure you tell the person. So the person said that they
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could, but I guess why would you make mention of that?
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If you know you couldn't they, you know, the person is not
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given to you but that's you assuming how things are gonna
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play out. And I I did that.
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And then, you know, the excuses came and I got really, really
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frustrated because our relationship was silent up into
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that point, right? And I had to learn like, hey
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being generous is amazing. Sometimes you have to use wisdom
25:54
to know, is the Friendship worth me?
25:57
Giving me this, I'm not fussed, I get into an argument for to be
26:00
a lost and then for me not to have the same respect that I
26:03
have for you from the beginning, right?
26:05
So these are things you don't, you know, when you haven't gone
26:08
through certain things and then they happen it's like a why did
26:14
I do that? But in the moment it felt like
26:16
it was the right thing to do. But then now you're like, man, I
26:20
just lost Lost them of money because I placed my faith in
26:25
someone that I thought would return the favor.
26:28
And you kind of realize, you start to measure out how things
26:33
play out and maybe the respect and love that.
26:36
You might have, might not be the same measurement that the other
26:39
person has. So he's very tricky when you
26:41
start walking down those paths. But, hey, if it doesn't ever
26:44
happen that you never ever learn from it, and then you don't have
26:48
wisdom to share the someone that you care about maybe a child.
26:51
Maybe friend, maybe a wife or husband in the future.
26:55
So I think those situations all count towards something.
26:59
You might be really upset in the moment, but later on you can sit
27:03
back and be like I went through that.
27:05
I got past it and it's in my past.
27:09
So yeah, I think about you. Why khaki with that, I think is
27:15
thinking about how I'm remembering how everything that
27:20
happens in life. You have to live with.
27:22
So while it might seem frustrating in the moment, like,
27:27
oh, you know, I've been used, they've used me.
27:29
Did it like, you know, I've had that in the past, someone news
27:34
me badly and I can tell you that When I look back shorts
27:39
frustrating but it's done. It's in the past did that he
27:41
can't hurt me anymore. And now it's like what you said
27:45
earlier about how, you know, once it's in the past it's just
27:49
it's gone like it's it doesn't, what is it?
27:53
Now it just doesn't exist anymore.
27:54
It's just it's just a thing that happened and that's the way that
27:58
I look at it but for them if they ever do, you think about
28:03
that? They'll have to think about the
28:05
reality because sooner or later Ality hits.
28:08
You even if you have a particular vision and
28:11
understanding of how you see the world and, you know, maybe for
28:16
instance, let's say you play the victim.
28:18
They say you are all. I'm victims.
28:20
Oh, everyone else. But me, that kind of attitude.
28:23
One day, it's going to click and you're going to realize.
28:25
Oh, no, actually, like I'm the problem.
28:27
Like, I, this is these things are of my doing, right?
28:32
Yeah. And if, and when that happens,
28:35
You're going to see, things are going to start fighting back and
28:37
you're going to see things from a different perspective.
28:40
And you going to be like, oh oh no, what do I do it?
28:43
Like any you know mean like and I really I like it it back to
28:50
the idea of like let's say you hate someone, write that hate
28:57
doesn't really affect the other person.
29:00
They might feel that maybe they want desperately, want your
29:02
forgiveness, I don't know. But like ultimately that It will
29:05
consume you more than it will ever hurt them or her you.
29:11
When you let it go you just realize it just, it doesn't, it
29:13
doesn't mean anything. What would you say to an atheist
29:16
or an agnostic or somebody who believes in nothing at all and
29:20
leads their life? Only according to what they see
29:23
in their 3D worlds or whatever their belief, Maybe Well, I
29:28
think that it will all wise and our own eyes, right?
29:33
These on what it is that we believe.
29:36
So I think have you ever read about the story about the cave
29:44
of philosophy, story in a cave and being limited to what you
29:47
can only seeing? What you can only hear, okay?
29:49
So I flip that, I shared it if If the way I view the world is
29:56
limited right then? Because it's limited and I don't
30:04
know, all there is to know about how can be successful flourish.
30:11
So I think when you walk in life, only seen it from a
30:15
certain perspective, but not from a large Spectrum
30:20
perspective, I think you're missing out, right?
30:24
And even if you don't Agree about what it is.
30:29
I still think it's worth while investigating.
30:32
So you know in school I majored in history, political science,
30:39
philosophy. And they are a lot of
30:41
interesting topics that I engaged over my time in college.
30:46
And one of those topics happened to be about a philosopher named
30:53
Heidegger And he spoke about what he called human existence
30:58
and he called it dies on. And he talked about the value of
31:01
the human being, and how things become a value.
31:05
Once we step into that space, and we gave him that, right?
31:10
So for an example, he would say that a pain across your room
31:15
doesn't have any value, it doesn't exist.
31:19
But you who's a moving object, a human being a presence and come
31:24
Um, and give purpose to that pain room over there.
31:29
Right now, some may say the pain exists, merely because it has
31:35
value regardless whether you give it value.
31:39
Some will say yes I agree, you do give it value because if you
31:43
or someone else who doesn't use it, then what value does it
31:46
have? If it's not being used, those
31:49
are multiple different perspectives to have.
31:51
All you can be a person that's limited to that perspective.
31:55
If you think that you have, and therefore that's the only way
31:58
that you see its value, right? And you know, the saying, one
32:03
man's trash is another man's treasure.
32:05
That's based upon the Limited. Perspective of the person has or
32:11
the outcome that they can see it going through.
32:13
Eventually right there is a passage in 2 Corinthians where
32:18
it says, those who think they know something, don't yet know
32:22
as they ought to know. I love that passage.
32:24
Because what it does is it highlights that anybody who
32:29
thinks that they have arrived in life, right?
32:32
I would run from them, right, because there's so much about
32:35
like this almost about the things that you encounter
32:37
things. As you experience that, if
32:39
you're willing to only remain and that's about that, that
32:43
space where this is as far as you want to take it and you
32:46
don't want to learn anymore. I think, as creatures of habit,
32:49
we're always looking to evolve into to improve and to get
32:52
better. So even if I don't agree with
32:55
it, I don't I don't like the perspective.
32:58
That doesn't mean that there's not more to it.
33:01
And I think when we close ourselves off, from
33:04
understanding of person and the way they hold the reason they
33:08
This thing's are the reason why I didn't believe thanks.
33:10
I think what so caught up in how we view the world that were
33:14
closed off about house and now stuff and I think it's always
33:17
important to embrace and love and appreciate someone else's
33:21
perspective even though I may not agree with it but it allows
33:24
me to be prepared for the next conversation and dialogue that I
33:27
have somebody else because now they you know giving me the
33:31
tools and information that I need to have a productive
33:34
conversation on my hands. So that's what I would say.
33:37
Hey Hey, I don't agree with it but I understand it and I think
33:41
when you have an understanding of it, you're appreciating the
33:44
person and what's important to them, even though I can
33:48
subscribe to what it is that they believe it but there's
33:51
something about sitting together and breaking bread and not
33:56
agreeing but maybe come to some Common Era tea.
34:00
That out of it, is something you get that can be useful in the
34:04
future and that's to me, it's very important to me when it
34:09
comes to relationships and it comes to, you know, building
34:14
connections that's kind of how I see it.
34:18
So yeah, but I would tell somebody that's this.
34:24
What are the terms that you've used on your Instagram posts?
34:27
Quite frequently is a smart believer.
34:30
What is a smart believer? Well, I would say a smart
34:38
Believers one, that knows what they ought to do and then acting
34:42
on it, right? I think a lot of us, sometimes
34:45
what we tend to do is we know what is right?
34:49
And yet we kind of steer away from it.
34:52
So there's a difference between ignorance and stupidity.
34:56
Ignorance is not knowing therefore, the choices and
34:59
decisions that you make are evident because you were in a
35:02
position where you didn't know Stupidity is knowing what you
35:06
ought to do and it's still not doing it and getting upset about
35:10
afterwards. After you've done it, you to me,
35:14
what put you in a category of being stupid, it's having the
35:17
informations that act appropriately and then electing
35:21
not to and then you have no one else to blame.
35:23
But yourself. So I use it as an example.
35:26
It was a point in time, in which, in my life when I was in
35:29
California, And I had a roommate that you smoke weed had to me.
35:36
And I'm not a smoker. As a roommate, I understood that
35:41
for him. Smoking weed was his ability to
35:44
function like he was smoking weed so much.
35:47
Yeah, he use. We and it allowed him to
35:50
function, he was a musician and so you know it's interesting
35:54
enough. There are people are very
35:56
creative. You know, when they tap into
36:00
that and I understand it because I you know, I'm a lover of jazz,
36:03
I'm a lover. I used to play a few
36:06
instruments. So I know a lot of people who
36:09
Looking to be creative and they're looking to tap into
36:12
something that they believe can help them.
36:14
So that was a big thing for him. He loved music, he tapped into
36:18
that and that was just his way of like, man.
36:21
Now what I had told him and I said, hey, you know, at the time
36:25
I remember when I first landed and it just Fresno California
36:29
and I'm pack some food because he's prepared.
36:34
Yeah, yeah. So there was two things that
36:37
happened here with him. And his name is Joe by the way.
36:42
Joey watching you know I love you man.
36:44
You still you still brother to me.
36:46
So when I first landed I remember he took me to Walmart
36:52
and I got everything that I needed who got very down to
36:56
earth died and then it was a class at night that I used to
37:00
ask him to get me from because the distance from where I lived
37:03
to the University was not a good 15 minutes and all he would say
37:08
is hey just get me a snow cone from Sonic and that's like your
37:12
pay or hey, you know, pass me a couple bucks for my gas tank and
37:16
I'm glad. Okay, that's cool.
37:17
I got you and I remember I was going home for Christmas and I
37:24
remember we had a conversation. I said, hey I would appreciate
37:26
it. If you know if I'm going
37:29
anywhere if you couldn't like if you could just function
37:33
regularly, like I would appreciate that and knowing
37:36
history and knowing who he is. It was idiotic on my part to
37:42
think that by me, making that suggestion to him that he would,
37:46
he would actually do it. So I remember him take him me to
37:50
the airport and, you know, and some of these highways to his
37:54
this Loop and she go to and I remember I remember him driving
37:59
on it, the car twisting and we drive it off the cliff and
38:04
landed into dirt. And amazingly because it was
38:07
interesting. I'm on the phone with my mom and
38:09
having a conversation, the car shifts, one way it shifts.
38:12
The other way, we'd go off the cliff in my life flash before my
38:17
eyes. And I'm on the phone and was
38:20
screaming. What?
38:23
What my mom and we land in a ditch.
38:29
And my moms like it is. Okay, as I'll call you back, I
38:32
climb out of the ditch. And I was ready to just say all
38:37
types of things, but what made me realize is not only did we
38:44
land in a ditch? There was no damage to his car.
38:47
So, we were Shield it somehow. And a random guy comes up.
38:55
And he says where you going? I said I'm going to the airport
38:58
and he drives me the rest of the way and when I land and I'm
39:01
waiting for my flight. Oh and then he texts me, he says
39:06
bro harm is not damaged, a lifter came and lifted my car
39:11
out of the ditch and I'm on my way.
39:12
I'm on my way back to the apartments and even texting that
39:17
and I never got back in the car with him again.
39:18
So this is a few lessons I learned out of this situation
39:21
where one When they say, hey, it'll get in the car with
39:26
Drinkers and smokers. I looked at the situation and
39:31
thought, well, he he's an individual that functions with
39:35
this, even though I told him not to, but he's an individual that
39:37
functions with this. So I should be okay.
39:40
That was a bad choice. I probably should have spent the
39:43
money necessary to get me there safe.
39:46
And hey, that was the first time I my life was something
39:49
Supernatural happened and I couldn't explain that.
39:51
I made it out of the situation unscarred and it was so
39:55
interesting because I have so much time to think about it
39:57
because then I had a Leo. So that was on my mind entire
40:01
time and I said, hey that has to be something greater that I have
40:04
to do. If I survive this, there's
40:06
normally, I don't think I do survive this.
40:08
That was an idiotic Choice by me to try to save a couple of
40:12
dollars. When I could have done the more
40:16
smart thing. So, as a Believer, I understand
40:20
that. When you put yourself in
40:21
compromising positions, there's no way of telling how they're
40:24
going to come. So moving forward, if I know
40:27
that the situation isn't safe, Then I shouldn't take the gamble
40:32
in order to save a couple dollars, but instead I need to
40:35
be Des Mart believer in knowing that hey he can do whatever he
40:40
wants to do in his private time. Many you enter his space and
40:44
he's under influence Min somehow, whatever happens to
40:48
him, it's gonna happen to you and your byproduct of that
40:51
because you chose to put yourself in that.
40:52
Predicament, you have nobody else to blame, but yourself So
40:57
so I learned out of that situation.
41:00
So, I'm about to do the show on near-death experiences soon and
41:06
I first of all, just thank you for sharing that really
41:08
appreciate it. You said that your life kind of
41:15
Flash before your eyes and I imagine it must have just been
41:17
kind of an instantaneous type of thing.
41:20
But was there anything you recall?
41:23
Maybe that was just kind of out of sorts but different something
41:27
that you have not experienced before.
41:30
Anything else you could sort of share from that experience and
41:34
how it kind of They changed your perspective, they're after yeah,
41:40
so couple things at the time I was a virgin I'm still virgin.
41:46
So in my mind, I'm like man you haven't had sex yet, you're
41:49
going to die. So that wasn't great at the time
41:52
when I was like I didn't get to live.
41:54
Like I think that's cut off another thing that I realized
41:59
is, you know, I this was my first experience.
42:03
You know, traveling and being On the plane outside, the United
42:08
States, right? 3 hours difference from New York
42:13
to California, you know, I was just getting, you know, used to
42:17
living on my own, right? So I was embarking on this
42:20
journey where things that you dreamed about or that you
42:23
couldn't wait to experience with things that I was saying to
42:27
myself. Like, I'm getting the hang of it
42:29
at the time, you know, I applied for food stamps.
42:31
Oh man, it was the life man. I was getting a hundred ninety
42:33
five dollars a week. Have free access to buy whatever
42:37
it is that I want. This was like, you know, an
42:40
experience of independency that I didn't have right and you
42:45
know, just having that experience and going through
42:48
that it was something that I was learning to get the hang of
42:51
managing money on your own, buying things that allow you to
42:56
extend your meals instead of just going out and free, buying
43:00
anything that you need. Anything that you want.
43:03
I was learning, you know how to do this.
43:05
Replacements for Preparation and stuff.
43:08
A lot of these things I was learning to do on my own
43:11
managing understanding that I gotta let you feel that I have
43:14
to pee. I was sharing, you know, room
43:17
with well, an apartment with two other people.
43:20
So we were sharing the fridge and stuff.
43:21
So a lot of these things that I was going through, or, like,
43:25
examples of what I know is going to be expected of me when you
43:29
enter the real world. And this is not just under the
43:31
compliance of college experience.
43:34
But to me, this Just like my real life cause experience
43:37
before. I actually went back to
43:40
University at Albany was the Scrolls and was about three
43:43
hours away. So, you know, having to go
43:46
through these different things and that flash before my eyes, I
43:49
started looking at my life and I started talking about, hey, I'm
43:52
starting to dive into these things.
43:54
Now that I didn't think. That I actually was going to do
43:59
and this is around the age of 21 to 23.
44:04
I believe that time I was like now be humming an adult and in
44:11
that moment in that flash I was saying to myself, man.
44:15
I even get to 30 I even get Teddy that like given the
44:20
opportunity I'm saying to myself man, this is this is where you
44:24
start to really find out who you are as A person and what you
44:28
like, and what you wanted, dad, you know what they say?
44:30
You go to college for these experiences because this is your
44:33
first time away from your family and now you find out who you are
44:38
and what you want to be in. Like so all that stuff Flash
44:41
before my eyes, because it would have been a tragic moment for me
44:45
if I didn't get to experience any of those things.
44:48
So when I think about it yeah that was the big concern for me
44:52
and that moment in the one opportunity I had to make a
44:55
smart decision. I took a Gamble and almost cost
45:00
me my life. When you look at it like that.
45:06
Yeah, at least sometimes I wonder, I was walking along as I
45:12
was recently in London and it's not anyway, the same thing, but
45:17
sometimes I think about these things, like there was an option
45:20
to go left or right to different escalators.
45:25
I chose to go to the right one, and I always wonder, like, what
45:28
would happen if you'd go to the left one.
45:30
Well, I get a second quicker to this when I bump into someone,
45:33
maybe that turns into somebody. I mean, your mind just wanders.
45:35
And you think about these things, like, what if, what, if
45:38
what if what if Yeah, it's kind of crazy.
45:44
I mean, like I've heard of situations where, you know,
45:50
People have maybe been late for a bus that they normally get and
45:56
it just so happens that the bus that they were going to get
45:59
crashed that morning and people died, you know, things like
46:01
that. And it's like you wonder
46:02
sometimes it is that Was that done on purpose to protect?
46:06
You was it? A luck thing.
46:09
Is it something bigger than what we understand?
46:11
You know, this is crazy but I do believe what you were saying
46:16
earlier about how these are the years that you find out, who you
46:19
really are. Like, I've certainly had that
46:21
the last couple of years especially now I fill up with
46:25
this new sort of perspective, I have in life.
46:27
It's like Now, the real tests are coming and it's Li all well,
46:31
okay. I thought we were done with that
46:33
but I guess that's never ending. Yeah, now I'm not scared
46:38
anymore, which is, I suppose the point.
46:41
Yeah, speaking of death, I just did a whole episode on the
46:46
afterlife life after death, so I got to get your thoughts on the
46:52
afterlife. Okay, so this is what
46:55
generically just a basic, my basic understanding of death.
47:00
What do you think is in the afterlife?
47:03
Do you think there's an afterlife?
47:06
Yeah, I think there's an Afterlife with God and I think
47:12
interesting enough, you know, isn't episode?
47:14
I did On my podcast, this is the matter is and and I spoke about,
47:21
you know, this conversation, The Story of Lazarus but I don't
47:26
want to dive too much just or I just want to kind of get to the
47:28
point about it. And you know what, we look at
47:31
funerals and we look at, you know, with that pass.
47:37
For the Believers perspective, we have an understanding that
47:40
Joy happens because we believe that the person that lived like
47:45
that they live, they are going to a place.
47:48
Well, right now, we call it awaiting Place, actually it
47:51
going through a place where they won't experience any pain and
47:55
any sorrow and even sort of things and you know, people tend
48:00
to celebrate The person. Purchase a life in that great
48:08
celebrate a person's live. But I think there's also a
48:11
celebration for the death as well.
48:13
Because we know that if that person struggling It was
48:17
something that was Elena there now free of that thing.
48:21
So in regards to you know the emphasis and we'll replace it we
48:27
appreciate and understand that for us in this world, you know,
48:30
it's troubles. This problem issues that we
48:34
don't technically belong here and at some point you know,
48:37
going and passing to where we believe the ultimate would be
48:41
part of the process. So for me.
48:43
Yes. I do believe there's an
48:45
afterlife. I actually I think that we're in
48:47
preparation for the afterlife. Well, the things that we're
48:50
learning now is going to be useful where we need to be
48:54
right. And the reason why I believe
48:56
that it's because to me in this life it's like you're constantly
49:00
trying to be better and improve and for us is to be holy as he
49:06
is Holy and holy for us to be set apart from the rest, right?
49:11
And to me in order to reach the stage of Holiness, your Ali
49:16
being faced with trial and situation to deal with.
49:20
And when old father situations, come it goes to be consistent in
49:24
the way that you respond. And to me that's what you're
49:29
faced with all the time and like, that's exactly what life
49:32
is all about. You're going through these
49:34
things over and over again so that you can get to a point that
49:37
your response become natural, right?
49:41
And there's disbelief for the believer, that this stays that
49:46
should go into your kind of rewiring The, for your
49:52
reprogramming yourself on how you see things like we entered
49:56
in the world being selfish, right?
49:58
And I say that because babies when they enter the world, it's
50:02
the tension and everything is on the Right.
50:05
Feed me, change me, love me care for me.
50:11
And as we grow up and get older, you start to realize that life
50:15
is not centered around. You, it's also around others,
50:19
it's loving others, and caring for others and being there for
50:21
others and supporting other side of yourself, right?
50:25
And at least for us, right? There's the two most important
50:29
Commandments that we have is to love God.
50:31
With all your heart, mind, soul, and strength, and love your
50:33
neighbor as yourself and reason why So important as it's because
50:37
to love, God, allows God to love us and when he loves us and us
50:42
through us that allows us to love others, right?
50:45
So I think when we get to this point, when we are more fixated
50:49
on ourselves, then we get the lack of accountability, we get
50:54
the lack of concern for people and their well-being.
50:58
And we get to a point where there it is in this, even the
51:00
balance of kill of concern about what's going on.
51:04
Outside of you. So we move from this
51:07
selfishness, to the selfless action.
51:10
When now everything that you're doing you're not just doing the
51:13
benefit yourself but you're doing for others and we learn
51:15
that through your process, right?
51:17
That our parents are very selfless individuals, because
51:19
they're concerned and be have care for you and want to see you
51:22
grow mature and then they have to teach you how to share.
51:25
Because again, when you're born everything that's happening, is
51:29
in preparation to help elephant, put you into a place.
51:33
Now that friend So so I sent it is all back to this
51:38
understanding of death I believe none of us can escape it.
51:42
I believe that's the best in all of us.
51:44
The question becomes when it happens.
51:46
And then ultimately what the after like looks like depending
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on who you speak to, it's a numerous amount of things.
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Some people think it's reincarnation.
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Some people believe that. Hey, you know, and it's like
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time I'm going to turn into a bird or the way that I live my
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life. You know, whatever that
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preparation is later on. It's preparing me to the next.
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So I think we all have this in common to some extent that you
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know the vision of the view that we have for the Everlasting the
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next life cast some sort of preparation for it.
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Now I know some people believe that, you know, you live your
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life in this particular way to the fullest and to your Lord
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that you have. And there's a scripture that
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says, you know, in the end what is it for one to gain a whole
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world? But right, and that's a deep
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verse. That's that's that's a deep
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restful. A lot of different reasons,
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right? But it speaks to, you know your
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time here on Earth how do you using it?
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How utilizing gifts talents and abilities, how you deal with
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situations and circumstances and you know, did you live like
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worthy or whatever you're calling was here?
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So you know that's just my thought that yes Yes, I believe
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there's an afterlife. I believe that this afterlife is
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hinged on a lot of the things that you do here and I think
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that at some point you know reflecting on all those
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different things, it's something that we have to do eventually at
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something the final questions for you.
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What is the best advice you've ever received?
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The quality of your thinking, can determine the quality of
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your life. So I believe that the way that
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you think And how you go about things can determine the axis
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and choices that file. All right, I believe in life.
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We live our lives and levels of you arriving stages and
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therefore there should be a competition try to compete with
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other people. I think you have to understand
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that in life you're going to approach and get to the next
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level based upon what's your personally dealing with.
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So if I think a certain way, right?
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It is passive Romans that tells me do not be conformed to the
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Past. As of this world but be
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transformed by the renewing of your mind.
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So one of my constantly, renewing my mind, was
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unconsciously renew my mind with things that I find ethically.
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At least in scripture to help me make better decisions and have
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better compensation. Know what I engage with people.
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And there's, you know, some sort of resistance for me, I think
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confrontation is necessary, right?
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We have a little competition there, I think that's necessary.
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And the reason why I think confrontation is important is
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because the end it guarantees a solution like we may not All
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along the lines the same way. But what I do think is that
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being able to understand a person creates more of a bridge
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that we may not agree but we can still come together, they could
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be compromised. So I know most people when they
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give a competition to get frustrated but conversation
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brings about a solution and for me, that's exactly, you know,
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what I live for what I appreciate and what I love doing
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being respectful of another person's beliefs and values and
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what's important to them. And I'm I'm pretty sure this
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going to be multiple things that we want.
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We fall in line with maybe the love it condition of the human
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person treating others as you want to be treated, you know,
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being respectful and honest and letting the person speak and I
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appreciate that. As you've done that for me,
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giving me the opportunity to respond.
55:23
And then me listening to what you have to say.
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These are things that I think naturally when you the quality
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you thinking determines the quality of your life, engaging,
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any things are normal. And if you can And of them
55:38
appropriately and properly and I think you can get something out
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of it. That's for sure.
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What's the biggest life lesson you've learned so far?
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Okay, well, the biggest slice a lesson I learned comes from the
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scripture. Galatians 6:9, it says, do not
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become weary in doing good for, you will reap a harvest, if you
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do not give up. So I've learned in life part of
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You know, looking for some sort of productive or going through
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an experience where it's a chaotic experience or a crisis
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experience, it's not giving up in the midst of it.
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And when you don't give up eventually, what's the matter
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work that you put in? Just like a plant, it goes
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through a stage, it's going to grow into something is going to
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Blossom something. And to me, that's based upon how
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much work you're willing to put into that something so Life is
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all about, you know, receiving blows and taking blows and
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giving them back. And sometimes it's going to be
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ugly, sometimes it's going to be smooth sailing.
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I think we like, we have storms where you caught up in it, but
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you continue along that path. Whether it's Faith or whether
56:57
it's trusting yourself, whatever you believe, right?
57:00
That eventually, it's going to get you to the other side or
57:03
you're going to see some sort of productivity that comes out of
57:06
it. And I think as human beings.
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As we grow mature, it's the same sort of experience and what a
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plan. So I've learned time is one of
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the is one of the biggest thing that comes to change and that
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change change is not an event, it's a process.
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So for me, whatever it might be, whatever I'm looking to achieve
57:29
and be successful at You have to let that situation take its
57:34
course and eventually you can look back at it and be proud
57:38
that it was achieved and talk the ins and outs of what it took
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to get their stuff. Thank you for sharing final
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question for you. Do you have any upcoming
57:49
projects or some final thoughts that you'd like to share with
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our listeners? Yeah.
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So you know, I'm coming projects is, you know, I really three
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different stairs on my back as one.
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It's just been me and my brother who it's interesting like to
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have a podcast to be doing what your brother?
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You know, a lot of people question, you know, how can you
58:08
get along with your brother, do something to me it's for the
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great common good. And what you're hoping for
58:13
Jesus, as I think, it's all and sometimes you have your rough
58:17
patches but eventually, it's what you're trying to hopefully
58:20
accomplish in the end of the day and Me part of the reason why I
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am where I am is because I search for truth.
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I had a hunger and desire. So if you're looking for truth
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to me, you need to walk down that path is a scripture and
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Matthew 7:7 and NLT says, ask and you shall receive seek and
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you will find knock. And the door will be open to
58:45
you. Now, the NLT says keep on
58:48
asking, keep on seeking people knocking that just illustrates
58:51
this desire that If you really want it you really desire it.
58:56
Then I think at some point. We draw near to God, God will
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draw near to you. So there's an expectation that
59:04
if you seek to want to have value understanding information,
59:08
true in order for that to happen, going down a path or
59:12
journey to achieve that takes work and not given up his one of
59:18
those elements. Just make sure that you're
59:21
satisfied content with what you hopefully, discover whatever
59:25
that may be for me. It was reading God's word for
59:28
You know, I'm pretty sure there's numerous things and, and
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this being happening content and satisfied where you are in life,
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right? In content and satisfied with
59:38
what you're doing and how you're helping other people, and how
59:40
they benefit from it. And, you know, Aristotle said
59:44
this beautiful thing. He said, at the intersection of
59:48
Life, lies your gifts talents and your abilities, and Elijah
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purpose. However, you're talented at,
59:55
whatever, you're good at whatever God has gifted you with
59:58
Make sure that the world knows you're in print me, is having a
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And it's something that I could do sin, the world that they can
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thing giving people like myself an opportunity and a platform to
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come and share the things. They might be, it might be
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counted as to what a person believes but I believe someone
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today who has heard this discussion as grass and
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appreciated that and more importantly.
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Last thing, I Say, is this a pass in Colossians instead?
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Let your speech be seasoned with salt that you know how you ought
1:00:35
to answer people. So for me, so is Godly wisdom.
1:00:38
Godly discernment out of judgment.
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But that speaks to the understanding that how I carry
1:00:43
myself, how I talk to people how I communicate is very important.
1:00:48
So, for me, you may not know, you may not know Jesus, but I
1:00:51
hope that how I portrayed myself as an instrument of
1:00:54
righteousness, rather than wickedness in this conversation
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as Someone closer to potentially be interested to want to learn
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more about that said. Billy with me, I think that's
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all that I can ever ask for and want to do for my side.
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Never like worthy what my calling is to help in point
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people, when Direction I don't save anybody by the way, at this
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point, you in the direction to where I think you can happen and
1:01:20
that's all that I, that I haven't wanted to ever wanted
1:01:22
it. Well, thank you very much for
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sharing for being on the show. It's been a pleasure.
1:01:28
And yeah, I wish you all the best with the show and if he's
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you know, those yourself there. And I believe we grow.
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