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Credlin | 25 November · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kranblad live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to show, Thanks for your company. Thank
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Speaker 2: you to Steve Price. My mum had a terrible fall
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Speaker 2: over the weekend. She's broken her hip, so I'm very
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Speaker 2: grateful that he was able standing for me and all
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Speaker 2: sending her love right now, Willie or won't he that's
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Speaker 2: the question lingering around Barnaby Joyce says yet again he
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Speaker 2: becomes a center of attention after last night's take dinner
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Speaker 2: with Pauline Hansen. He says he'll make a decision by
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Speaker 2: the end of the week, but it's looking like he'll walk,
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Speaker 2: says his National Party mates. In politics, a label can stick,
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Speaker 2: and already Chris Bones become known as the part time Minister.
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Speaker 2: It was the focal point of question time again today,
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Speaker 2: the coalition asking some very valid questions about how they'll
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Speaker 2: do both roles, rolls and how much is going to
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Speaker 2: cost taxpayers. Plus so much for the Prime Minister's claim
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Speaker 2: that everything's rosy with China. Farman's in effect going into
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Speaker 2: cybersecurity lockdown as China's number three three and his delegation
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Speaker 2: visited today. More on that in a moment and yes,
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Speaker 2: it might have been a stunt, but Senator Hanson's push
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Speaker 2: to have a debate about the burker is not only legitimate,
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Speaker 2: but one the rest of the world is already having.
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Speaker 3: I'll stand my ground and what I believe in I
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Speaker 3: will continue to do.
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Speaker 2: So we will stay with that issue because the over
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Speaker 2: the top criticism that Pauline Hanson's coped for wearing a
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Speaker 2: burker into the Senate after the Senate voted not to
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Speaker 2: allow her to table a bill banning the full face
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Speaker 2: covery is more.
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Speaker 4: Than a little unfair.
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Speaker 2: So to the rand hypocrisy from MPs like Penny Wong
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Speaker 2: and the Greens leader Larissa Waters that religious faith must
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Speaker 2: be both respected and protected. Well that deserves to be
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Speaker 2: called out, given that under them and their parties, the
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Speaker 2: faith of Jews and Christians had never faced a tax
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Speaker 2: as ferocious as they are facing now. It's not religious
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Speaker 2: freedom they were defending yesterday, but one religion in particular,
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Speaker 2: and in the uproar, the Senate lost two hours of
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Speaker 2: business yesterday and more again today as it formally censured
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Speaker 2: Senator Hansen, when it would have been far better to
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Speaker 2: have just allowed her to table the bill and then
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Speaker 2: have the debate after all this, In this what parliaments
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Speaker 2: are for, to debate important issues in a mature and
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Speaker 2: temperate way, rather than to shut down difficult issues and
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Speaker 2: end up driving the debate underground. Because, believe me, ridiculing
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Speaker 2: Hanson will not and does not make this issue go away.
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Speaker 2: It was only last months that the Parliament of Portugal
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Speaker 2: showed more maturity than ours did yesterday and had the
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Speaker 2: debate about full face coverings, with the end result that
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Speaker 2: legislation was passed through the Portuguese Parliament to ban them.
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Speaker 4: Portugal's not alone.
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Speaker 2: It's banned either in full or in certain settings in
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Speaker 2: a huge growing list of countries in France, Austria, Denmark, Belgium, Bulgaria, Luxembourg, Switzerland,
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Speaker 2: the Deadlands, Norway and parts of Germany and parts of China.
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Speaker 2: In African countries like Cameroon, the Republic of Congo, Gabon,
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Speaker 2: in the Muslim majority nations of Chad, Algeria, Tunisia, Tarjekistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Kurgistan,
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Speaker 2: all of them too majority Muslim nations. So how is
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Speaker 2: it that this diverse list of countries have banned or
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Speaker 2: limited the wearing of the burker or the nikub, and
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Speaker 2: yet here in Australia we are incapable of even debating
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Speaker 2: the pros and cons of allowing a full face covering,
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Speaker 2: which I believe dehumanizes women. I mean quite apart from
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Speaker 2: the security issues of allowing people to hide their identities
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Speaker 2: behind a full body mask for one a better term.
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Speaker 4: This is why we have to have the debate.
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Speaker 2: This was also why in New South Wales District Court
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Speaker 2: Judge Audrey Balla banned the wife of Australia's worst terrorist recruiter,
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Speaker 2: with Tia El Zahad, from giving evidence in court unless
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Speaker 2: she removed her full face covering. But before going further,
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Speaker 2: let's get a couple of things clear. First, banning the
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Speaker 2: burker or the nickub is not about banning the head
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Speaker 2: coverings that Muslim women often wear. We're not talking about
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Speaker 2: the headscarf or the hudjib here. But this is a hudjib.
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Speaker 2: A lot of religious women wear one, and women of
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Speaker 2: other faiths too, Jews, even some old style Catholics, or
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Speaker 2: they've covered their heads for centuries, whether they're praying or
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Speaker 2: out in public. Now I've no issue with a headscarf
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Speaker 2: as long as the woman's face is visible, she stays
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Speaker 2: a part of the society in which she leaves. She
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Speaker 2: moves amongst us as a human being with the ability
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Speaker 2: to freely see, to speak, and to show expression on
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Speaker 2: her face. This is not what the debate about burker's
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Speaker 2: is about. It's about this.
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Speaker 4: This is a.
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Speaker 2: Burker, we're not even a woman's eyes are shown to
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Speaker 2: the outside world. And here's the related garment. This one's
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Speaker 2: also banned in a number of Muslim majority countries. This
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Speaker 2: is a nicker sometimes that goes right down to the ground.
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Speaker 2: But here, at least, unlike the burker, the eyes are
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Speaker 2: visible to the outside world. Now suspending Hansen because she
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Speaker 2: wanted a debate on this issue on whether we should
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Speaker 2: allow women in Australia to be isolated from the community
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Speaker 2: with garments like this, that we shut them off from
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Speaker 2: all other citizens and obscure their identity.
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Speaker 4: To shut down that sort of debate is madness.
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Speaker 2: If senators don't agree with Hanson, then fine debate her,
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Speaker 2: challenge her, and shut it down. Any other countries agree
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Speaker 2: with Hansen's view, as I said, many of them majority
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Speaker 2: Muslim nations. So this is a relevant and a legitimate
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Speaker 2: conversation to have, and the best place to have it
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Speaker 2: surely is in the rooms in camera that make our laws. Remember,
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Speaker 2: Hanson's beef is against the way the burker erases the individuals,
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Speaker 2: specifically girls and women. No Muslim man's dehumanized by shutting
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Speaker 2: himself off from the world in a dense bit of
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Speaker 2: fabric that covers in from head to foot like these
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Speaker 2: women are. But what amazed me yesterday was how so
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Speaker 2: quickly some wanted to conflate Hanson's opposition to the burker
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Speaker 2: with this inference that you're somehow trying to bear the
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Speaker 2: headscarf the hudjib as well. That's false and it's dishonest.
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Speaker 2: So too was the false faith outrage.
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Speaker 5: This is the middle finger to people of faith.
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Speaker 2: And we represent in our states people of every faith,
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Speaker 2: of every face.
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Speaker 4: But racism should not be the choice of the Senate.
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Speaker 4: This is a racist Senator.
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Speaker 6: If this is about the dress code, she is disrespecting
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Speaker 6: of faith.
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Speaker 2: Batting the burka is not an attack on Islam, as
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Speaker 2: I said, a raft of Muslim majority nations banned after all,
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Speaker 2: And that's because wearing the burka is not required under
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Speaker 2: Islamic Lord.
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Speaker 4: It's not a religious law. No less than Egypt's leading.
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Speaker 2: Muslim cleric, Muhammad Tantwani two thousand and nine issued a
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Speaker 2: religious edict or a fatoir, saying that wearing a religious
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Speaker 2: via was not an obligation for women under Islam, as
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Speaker 2: I said, it's because Islam does not require women to
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Speaker 2: cover their faces, just to dress modestly, and even in
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Speaker 2: the most conservative Islamic countries, all that's usually required is
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Speaker 2: the headscarf a had. Jim Hanson made the obvious point
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Speaker 2: that the Senate would not entertain a motion to ban
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Speaker 2: the burkering public, but they did it anyway by suspending
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Speaker 2: her and throwing her out of the room because she
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Speaker 2: had a burker on. They thus banned the burker.
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Speaker 4: In the Senate chamber anyway.
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Speaker 2: Rand hypocrisy, said Hanson, And yes, yes, going back to
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Speaker 2: her office and.
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Speaker 4: Putting an on it was.
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Speaker 2: Yes, it was a stunt, So too was bringing dead
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Speaker 2: fish into the chambers. Green Senator Hans Sarah Hanson Young
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Speaker 2: did or or wearing a kafa during the Governor General's address,
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Speaker 2: as fellow Green marine Ferruki did earlier this year in July. Now,
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Speaker 2: I don't luck stunts in the parliament at all. Never
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Speaker 2: have I want to see those we elect to take
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Speaker 2: seriously the big job they have to debate the issues
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Speaker 2: confronting our country. But the pieline over what Hansen wore
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Speaker 2: over the top and it obscures the fact that she
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Speaker 2: wasn't even allowed to debate an issue like this that
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Speaker 2: I can tell you many Australians would have been debating
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Speaker 2: life last night as those headlines went to were Now,
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Speaker 2: if other parliaments can debate the burker, so can we.
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Speaker 2: And the fact that the government is willing to see
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Speaker 2: women degraded and dehumanized rather than upset the sensitivities of
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Speaker 2: hardline Muslim men, that's part of a worrying trend under
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Speaker 2: modern labor. We can't have an adult conversation about this
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Speaker 2: in our parliament and honestly we're in more trouble than
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Speaker 2: I thought. Right as I said another busy sitting day
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Speaker 2: in Parliament in the final week. Joining me now Skynese
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Speaker 2: political reporter cam Redden Cam We'll start if we can
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Speaker 2: with those nature laws. I've never seen something like this
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Speaker 2: in a negotiation where in this case Labor obviously the
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Speaker 2: government is saying to the Greens, well you can have
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Speaker 2: this with these specific changes. The coalition, you can have
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Speaker 2: this with these specific changes. But whether they go this
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Speaker 2: way or that way, the bill looks radically different.
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Speaker 4: Either way.
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Speaker 2: It's like they haven't decided what they want and they're
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Speaker 2: just trying to ram something through. Offering I think wildly
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Speaker 2: conflicted concession.
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Speaker 4: So what's the latest.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, they are very different offers on the table, Peter.
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Speaker 7: We're kind of seeing how the sausage is made. But
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Speaker 7: they're two very different production lines for two very different sausages.
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Speaker 7: So what Murray WA's done is essentially come up with
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Speaker 7: two offices put on the table, one to the Greens, one.
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Speaker 4: To the Coalition.
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Speaker 7: The coalition offer essentially would see some areas of the
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Speaker 7: bill amended. It would see changes to penalties, for example,
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Speaker 7: streamlined pathways, and also look at constraining some of the
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Speaker 7: power that the head of this environment protection agency would have.
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Speaker 7: The key hold up for the Coalition though, is that
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Speaker 7: what's on the table now doesn't address its key concerns,
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Speaker 7: which involve definitions about what would be unacceptable impact for
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Speaker 7: a project to have on the environment. It would also
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Speaker 7: look at the definition of what would need to be
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Speaker 7: a net gain or how would you get to that
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Speaker 7: threshold of a project having a net gain on the environment.
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Speaker 7: A few concerns around a mission's reporting requirements too. The
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Speaker 7: Greens bill, though you're right, would look very different. If
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Speaker 7: the government went down this path. It would essentially restrict
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Speaker 7: the fast tracking of coal and gas. It would limit
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Speaker 7: the ability for those projects to be approved under the
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Speaker 7: National interest Test, which is a part of this bill.
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Speaker 7: There'd be some tweets to the way that states and
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Speaker 7: federal bodies, essentially environmental bodies would deal with one another.
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Speaker 7: So that's a lot of detailed PETA. But the long
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Speaker 7: and the short of it is these would be two
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Speaker 7: very different bills, and there all the sides are still
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Speaker 7: a fair way apart with the government. Yeah. Absolutely, they
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Speaker 7: would be two very different bills, depending which way Murray
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Speaker 7: what goes. And we heard from Susan Lee on Sky
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Speaker 7: News today speaking with Kieran Gilbert. She's not satisfied with
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Speaker 7: what's there. There's still no agreement and the clock is
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Speaker 7: running out because Murray Watt has set his own test.
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Speaker 7: He says he will get this done this week.
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Speaker 8: These are totally insufficient, Karen, the Minister hasn't met us
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Speaker 8: halfway on half our concerns and has clearly mismanaged this
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Speaker 8: entire process. You've now got Murray Wat's standing with two
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Speaker 8: separate amendments, one in each hand, saying I don't mind
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Speaker 8: who I do this deal with.
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Speaker 9: They're clear what we want. It was the bill that
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Speaker 9: we passed through the House of Representatives. But if you've
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Speaker 9: got the Coalition constantly coming to us asking for changing amendments,
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Speaker 9: and they want this and then they want that, it
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Speaker 9: makes it a little bit hard to reach an agreement.
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Speaker 4: I'll put you on the spot. Do you think you'll
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Speaker 4: get it through?
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Speaker 3: Well?
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Speaker 7: Far been for me to disagree with Andrew Clenell's crystal ball.
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Speaker 7: He said it wouldn't get through this week. My gut
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Speaker 7: tells me, Peter that we might be headed for a
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Speaker 7: summer of negotiations. But the Greens, I think, are closer
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Speaker 7: to a deal than the Coalition. There seems to be
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Speaker 7: more willingness from the Greens to get a deal done.
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Speaker 7: I would say, though that's probably not the preference of
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Speaker 7: the government, given that business is pressuring the Coalition to
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Speaker 7: get a deal, and if you do one that way,
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Speaker 7: it kind of neutralizes it politically, because both the major
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Speaker 7: parties will then have agreed on the laws. It's going
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Speaker 7: to be tough. It'll go right to the deadline. I
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Speaker 7: suspect we might even be here on Friday still trying
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Speaker 7: to sort it out.
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Speaker 2: I suspect part of MAHI to so unpalatable to business,
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Speaker 2: with those key concessions on projects to the Grand is
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Speaker 2: about using business to get the coalition into the table.
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Speaker 2: See if that works. I'll leave that there. Thanks Camp.
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Speaker 2: Joining in our Sky's political editor Andrew Cleanell. Let's start
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Speaker 2: with Chris Bowen's absence from the Parliament yesterday. Back in
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Speaker 2: the parliament today, but it was still the key focus
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Speaker 2: point of question time and to have a listen.
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Speaker 8: How many days of parliament will the part time minister
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Speaker 8: miss in twenty twenty six, how many days of parliament
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Speaker 8: will the minister the part time minister miss next year?
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Speaker 8: And what will be the cost to Australian tax payers and.
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Speaker 10: How much taxpayer money will be spent in funding the
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Speaker 10: full time presidential duties of the part time minister.
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Speaker 4: And it's square this circle for me.
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Speaker 2: I mean, how does the PM say that this new
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Speaker 2: cop role when he's got to fly across the equator
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Speaker 2: at the drop of a hat.
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Speaker 4: How on Earth.
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Speaker 2: Is his compatible with doing his job as a minister
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Speaker 2: in Australia.
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Speaker 1: Well, he's sticking with that position at the moment. I
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Speaker 1: know there's been this speculation about Andrew Charlton taking up
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Speaker 1: the job, but I'm told that's off beam at the
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Speaker 1: moment anyway. So whether there's a change next year, I
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Speaker 1: don't know. But he, I guess with that victory behind him,
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Speaker 1: he thinks he can do whatever he wants, right, And
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Speaker 1: I guess the point that Albanezi would make is if
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Speaker 1: we got cop in Adelaide, he'd still be COP president,
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Speaker 1: the actual president, not just President of Negotiations, which he
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Speaker 1: is now, and he'd still be minister. So they seem
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Speaker 1: pretty stubborn on this one of the opposition's point of view.
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Speaker 1: The more people see Chris bow and the better they
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Speaker 1: reckon pretty unpopular and sort of polarizing figure in large
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Speaker 1: sections of the community. And of course power prices are
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Speaker 1: going up and they're going to continue to go up,
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Speaker 1: and that's the expectation as the trans occurs. So if
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Speaker 1: you can lock that together with the fact this guy's
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Speaker 1: eyes off the ball, if you say, his eyes off
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Speaker 1: the ball, because he's worried about the rest of the world,
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Speaker 1: not Australia. Works pretty well for you politically. I know
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Speaker 1: if viewer down here, you'd be all over at Peter.
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Speaker 4: I agree with you. I think it's ideal for the opposition.
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Speaker 2: I think that's why the Prime Minister is going to
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Speaker 2: have to cut him loose at some time.
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Speaker 4: I think they'll come back.
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Speaker 2: Maybe in the new year, and say, look, it's rammed up,
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Speaker 2: it's so important. He's got to go and do this
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Speaker 2: because polsters say to me on the left and.
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Speaker 4: The right that he is deeply unpopular.
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Speaker 2: And I also think that the issues now here with
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Speaker 2: the greed will get to your interview with Matt Keen
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Speaker 2: in the moment. But all the sort of the system
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Speaker 2: wise failures, the transition is installing, the targets are not
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Speaker 2: being met, He's having a lot of difficulty with the
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Speaker 2: gas roll out. I think all of those things are
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Speaker 2: combining and I just don't think he's got the intellectual
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Speaker 2: grunt to resolve these issues and be a good advocate
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Speaker 2: for the government. I think this is where Charlton's name
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Speaker 2: obviously is being thrown around. But you put Matt Kean
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Speaker 2: on the spot today, former Liberal now obviously handmaiden for
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Speaker 2: the Governor on climate.
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Speaker 4: He was pretty cagey about prices.
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Speaker 1: Let's have a listen, good prices continue to increase for
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Speaker 1: ten years before that transition is completed.
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Speaker 11: Well, that's not what the Australian Energy Market Commission says.
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Speaker 11: They say, get on with the job of rolling out renewables.
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Speaker 11: And quite frankly, we should be listening to the independent experts.
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Speaker 1: When do they stop going out when we get across
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Speaker 1: the job.
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Speaker 11: When when we get on with the job of rolling
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Speaker 11: out renewables at scar we know it's the cheapest form
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Speaker 11: of electricity and the propriety years in the grid, it's
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Speaker 11: not enough. Andrew, Well, how many years that job?
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Speaker 4: Andrew?
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Speaker 11: Well, it will take the coordinated.
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Speaker 4: Rollout we didn't miss. Andrew, Well, we.
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Speaker 1: Can't tell us, Kenny, and that there was that report
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Speaker 1: the other day from an unnamed CEO power company saying
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Speaker 1: it will go up for a decade and the government
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Speaker 1: needs to be honest. Just to roll out the poles
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Speaker 1: and wist of for the renewables transition costs a lot.
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Speaker 1: And you know Chris Balin's hoping the wholesale price has
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Speaker 1: changed so that the main price will change next year
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Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, the rollout still
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Speaker 1: occurring and it's expensive. But yeah, he couldn't answer, and
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Speaker 1: that tells you everything you need to know. They're not promising.
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Speaker 4: Where the problem is.
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Speaker 1: The price will stabilize, and this is a massive issue.
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Speaker 1: This is a big issue for the government. They're going
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Speaker 1: to unveil this gas reservation policy, but I'm not convinced
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Speaker 1: that's a big fix. They're going to have to take
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Speaker 1: the rebates off or cost the budget. The budget's under stress.
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Speaker 1: That's going to push up inflation again. We get an
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Speaker 1: inflation figure tomorrow, it's expected to be high because state
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Speaker 1: energy rebates have come off. Yeah, they got some real problems.
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Speaker 1: And finally the opposition has an opportunity I guess, rather
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Speaker 1: than just fighting themselves.
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Speaker 2: Exactly right now that the collation has a point of difference,
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Speaker 2: it can actually go on the front foot and be
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Speaker 2: aggressive on this issue. Otherwise they're joined at the hit
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Speaker 2: with the government. They couldn't make mileage out of it,
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Speaker 2: and punters at home and think anyone.
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Speaker 4: Was in their corner.
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Speaker 2: Now the Coalition can absolutely be in the corner of
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Speaker 2: voters speculation about Susan Lee. Let's go there because Obviously
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Speaker 2: there was no issues today in the party room meetings.
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Speaker 2: She sailed through. Everyone I speak to is not saying
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Speaker 2: she's the long term proposition. They're just saying not yet
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Speaker 2: for a change. We saw that pole obviously on Sunday,
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Speaker 2: Andrew Hasty hot on her heels as preferred leader. And
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Speaker 2: because Taylor's in the mix, there are plenty of others
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Speaker 2: as well. I don't know about Tim Wilson, don't think
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Speaker 2: he's in the mix right now. It might be in
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Speaker 2: his own mind, but I don't think out there with punters.
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Speaker 2: But you know, she is going to be basically on
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Speaker 2: death watch in political terms with every poll, and those
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Speaker 2: poles won't go away. They'll be comparing her to her colleagues.
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Speaker 4: Can she survive?
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Speaker 2: Like, do you see a scenario where she will be
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Speaker 2: there at the next election?
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Speaker 1: Very unlikely, But if the poll's improve and they can't
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Speaker 1: coalesce on the right candidate to take her on, I
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Speaker 1: guess it's possible. Because they're pretty divided on that, the
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Speaker 1: between Taylor and Hasty.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they're all decided they don't want her,
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Speaker 2: but they haven't decided who they want. Hen She stays,
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Speaker 2: what about Pauline.
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Speaker 4: Hansen, and it's all about posts. The wagu steak cooked
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Speaker 4: on a sandwich press. I like the Wago.
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Speaker 2: I don't know about the sandwich press. That wouldn't get
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Speaker 2: it very hot at all. But she turned it off.
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Speaker 2: There she is, and she made a potato bake. I
19:26
Speaker 2: suspect that was pretty good. But he's a chief daty.
19:28
Speaker 2: That's all it takes for him to leave the party
19:30
Speaker 2: that he once led and was the deputy Prime Minister
19:34
Speaker 2: of and a point in our history.
19:35
Speaker 4: Do you think he'll go?
19:36
Speaker 2: He says he's going to say announce the decision by
19:39
Speaker 2: the end of the week.
19:40
Speaker 4: What do you think, Andrew?
19:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think you'll run for the Senate for
19:44
Speaker 1: one nation. I think it's a big personal strategic mistake.
19:48
Speaker 1: I think he's crying out for wouldn't come on with
19:51
Speaker 1: me after our last discussion with him. By the way,
19:53
Speaker 1: after our last discussion, he said he wouldn't come on
19:55
Speaker 1: with me today because he didn't want to talk about himself.
19:58
Speaker 1: He agrees with both of us. That was the text
20:00
Speaker 1: message said to me in jest, tongue in cheek. I
20:03
Speaker 1: agree with you and Peter. I should stop talking about
20:06
Speaker 1: myself all the time. So I won't come on, but
20:10
Speaker 1: I think he will announce his kind of one Nation.
20:11
Speaker 1: But I just look at how that worked for Mark Latham.
20:14
Speaker 1: You know, just respect your legacy in your career with
20:17
Speaker 1: the National Party, is what would be my personal advice
20:20
Speaker 1: to Barnaby Joyce, and don't trash it. And I think
20:24
Speaker 1: he's a really wisk of doing that.
20:26
Speaker 4: Well.
20:26
Speaker 2: He's clearly given up any chance of coming up back
20:29
Speaker 2: into a senior role within the Coalition because jumping ship
20:31
Speaker 2: to one Nation means, you know, he'll rather be sort
20:35
Speaker 2: of a big fish in a small pond than come
20:38
Speaker 2: back with the Coalition in any sort of way, shape
20:41
Speaker 2: or form. It'll make him persona on grata with a
20:44
Speaker 2: lot of Coalition supporters. I know he has a following,
20:47
Speaker 2: absolutely he does, but I think I think it's a
20:50
Speaker 2: bad move.
20:53
Speaker 9: Yeah.
20:53
Speaker 1: I mean, he might get some popularity and some votes initially,
20:56
Speaker 1: but we're still a fair way from the next election.
20:59
Speaker 1: There's a lot of you know, he's a divisive and
21:01
Speaker 1: polarizing character. A lot of female voters don't like him.
21:06
Speaker 1: Love's welcome, she's seventy.
21:09
Speaker 2: One, sure, But I've been on the hustings with him
21:12
Speaker 2: out in regional Australia and I've seen women, young women
21:14
Speaker 2: and others, you know, not just a crusty old farmers
21:17
Speaker 2: with bow legs come up to me in the street.
21:19
Speaker 2: And he does have a following in the market set
21:22
Speaker 2: that generally you'll find an increase in a Conservative vote.
21:26
Speaker 4: He's a rock star.
21:30
Speaker 1: Well there you go. But I don't think you're run
21:32
Speaker 1: for New England. I think he wants the Senate and
21:33
Speaker 1: potentially the One Nation leadership eventually, no matter what they say,
21:37
Speaker 1: no matter what Pauline says about wanting a daughter lead
21:39
Speaker 1: to get it. So I think that's the name of
21:42
Speaker 1: the game and attention and being relevant again and he's
21:45
Speaker 1: crying out for relevance. But you know, I still think
21:49
Speaker 1: it's a bad move. I mean, if you've been Deputy
21:51
Speaker 1: Prime Minister twice, you've had a pretty good career revenue.
21:54
Speaker 1: No going to get that down.
21:55
Speaker 2: He came into the Senate two thousand and five, I
21:57
Speaker 2: think it was he came in at the time at
22:00
Speaker 2: Howard if you remember, after the four election won the
22:03
Speaker 2: Senate first time in twenty something years, had the Senate majority,
22:06
Speaker 2: and Barnaby was there and he was.
22:09
Speaker 4: You know, hard to lassue.
22:11
Speaker 2: Let's say that in terms of negotiations. I was working
22:14
Speaker 2: for the Senate leader, and it looks like he'll go out.
22:17
Speaker 2: He'll go out from the Senate as he arrived in
22:19
Speaker 2: the Senate.
22:19
Speaker 4: We'll see.
22:20
Speaker 2: He's very welcome to come on with both of us anytime,
22:23
Speaker 2: very welcome to be here on a Tuesday night.
22:25
Speaker 1: Honey, absolutely, Barnaby, come on, come on all without us,
22:29
Speaker 1: long term, not just not today. So we'll see how
22:32
Speaker 1: we get.
22:32
Speaker 4: All right, Okay, we'll leave it there, thanks Andrew. All
22:36
Speaker 4: right after the break.
22:36
Speaker 2: How much will Chris of Bowen's COP Pacific plan cost Australia.
22:41
Speaker 4: Those numbers are starting to come in.
22:42
Speaker 2: Plus Juda Ryan Hants nets a broadside at mining giants
22:46
Speaker 2: BHP and Rio Tinto.
22:48
Speaker 4: She goes into bat for shareholders, welcome back.
22:56
Speaker 2: Well, how could the Prime Minister to say we're on
22:57
Speaker 2: friendly terms with China if Parliament basically has to go
23:01
Speaker 2: into a cyber lockdown whenever a Chinese delegation now visits.
23:05
Speaker 2: This is extraordinary, never happened in my day. I want
23:07
Speaker 2: to know what's going on. We'll talk to a guest
23:10
Speaker 2: about that in a moment. First, the COP thirty UN
23:13
Speaker 2: Climate Summit has wrapped up in Brazil, so attentions down.
23:16
Speaker 4: Turning to next year's summer this is.
23:18
Speaker 2: COP thirty one, which will be hosted by Turkey after
23:22
Speaker 2: the Ominezy government's bid to host it here in Adelaide
23:25
Speaker 2: was rejected. Never want to miss an opportunity to waste
23:29
Speaker 2: your money and to pontificate. Climate Minister Chris Bowen couldn't
23:33
Speaker 2: bank a saving from his loss of faith on next
23:36
Speaker 2: year's n Janboree. He's got to let them have a
23:39
Speaker 2: go anyway at hosting what he's calling the pre COP
23:43
Speaker 2: conference out here in the Pacific, as well as he
23:46
Speaker 2: got them to hand in the puffed up title of
23:48
Speaker 2: president for negotiations. Honestly, you cannot make this stuff up.
23:54
Speaker 2: Joining me now, The Australian's Environment editor Graham Lloyd, Well,
23:58
Speaker 2: we got pensioners in this country. It can't afford to
24:01
Speaker 2: turn the heaters on a winter because our energy system
24:03
Speaker 2: has been completely bo andized. And now he is planning
24:07
Speaker 2: on taking his ability to stuck things up to a
24:10
Speaker 2: whole new global stage. I mean, I bet we're going
24:13
Speaker 2: to end up spending almost as much on the lead
24:16
Speaker 2: up talk fest as we would have spent in Adelaide.
24:20
Speaker 4: What can you tell us.
24:23
Speaker 10: Well, good evening, Peter. I think the bottom line is
24:26
Speaker 10: there is nothing cheap about climate diplomacy, and unfortunately for taxpayers,
24:33
Speaker 10: having a COP in the Pacific, or focus on the Pacific,
24:38
Speaker 10: has been the foreign policy objective of the Albanisi government
24:41
Speaker 10: from day one. They were hoping to do it through
24:44
Speaker 10: a COP that was held in Australia. They're not able
24:47
Speaker 10: to do that, so they're going to take the roadshow
24:50
Speaker 10: to the Pacific.
24:51
Speaker 4: What you can.
24:52
Speaker 10: Guarantee is that Australia will be footing a large part
24:56
Speaker 10: of the bill. The invitation is going out to other
24:59
Speaker 10: country is to pledge to a Pacific Resilience fund. But
25:03
Speaker 10: at the end of the day, this is something that's
25:05
Speaker 10: going to land on Australia's lap. And it gets worse
25:09
Speaker 10: because the key demand of the Pacific Islands is that
25:13
Speaker 10: the world and Australia get out of the fossil fuel
25:16
Speaker 10: business and this is exactly what Chris Bowen has signed
25:20
Speaker 10: Australia up to and that will be the focus of
25:23
Speaker 10: his presidency in negotiations in Turkey. So there's a big
25:28
Speaker 10: risk in this process and it's very expensive.
25:32
Speaker 2: Well let's just go to the point about the Pacific Islands,
25:35
Speaker 2: because even as recently as about a week ago, the
25:37
Speaker 2: Prime Minister was using the example of Tavalu and saying
25:42
Speaker 2: that they're basically underwater. But I go to the ABC
25:46
Speaker 2: fact checker, you know, hardly a right wing conspiracy source,
25:50
Speaker 2: and they say that, in fact, the land mass in
25:52
Speaker 2: Tavalu has increased, like with a lot of these other
25:55
Speaker 2: Pacific island nations. So we'll pay for the event, will
25:59
Speaker 2: pay for the film varying people around, will pay for
26:02
Speaker 2: Bowen in the entourage from the Department to go backwards
26:05
Speaker 2: and forwards around the world organizing this pre cop meeting,
26:10
Speaker 2: and will also I bet you be the anchor payments
26:12
Speaker 2: into that fund. I mean, do we have any sense
26:14
Speaker 2: of the quantum here? Is there a number on this
26:16
Speaker 2: stuff yet?
26:19
Speaker 10: Well, there's certainly no numbers been put on it yet.
26:21
Speaker 10: But I think it's instructive to know that the more
26:25
Speaker 10: we talked about the possibility of holding one in Adelaide,
26:28
Speaker 10: the higher the numbers got. At the end, we were
26:31
Speaker 10: talking between one billion and two billion dollars to have
26:34
Speaker 10: the meeting. I would suggest that that is going to
26:37
Speaker 10: be the starting price. If you look at the other
26:41
Speaker 10: adventures we've embarked on in the Pacific football from Papua
26:45
Speaker 10: New Guinea, great idea six hundred million dollars. So you
26:49
Speaker 10: don't get a lot of bang for your bark, and
26:52
Speaker 10: the need is pretty much insatiable. So I think the
26:57
Speaker 10: challenge is going to be bringing some common and send
27:00
Speaker 10: some reason to it.
27:02
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to the nuts and bolts of
27:04
Speaker 2: how he makes both jobs work. Because it's not as
27:06
Speaker 2: if we're humming along here that the government's met its
27:09
Speaker 2: commitments to bring down our power prices. It's not like
27:12
Speaker 2: the transition's going well, is behind on every target in
27:15
Speaker 2: relation to twenty thirty. It's not like businesses are loving
27:19
Speaker 2: this green transition either. They're going out the back door
27:21
Speaker 2: and fast, and he's putting billions of dollars of taxpayers
27:24
Speaker 2: money into businesses to shore them up. And as not
27:28
Speaker 2: as if even the renewals roll at is going well,
27:31
Speaker 2: because we've got whole sectors of the community now one
27:34
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty community sites across the country where they
27:37
Speaker 2: are being resisted, These solar farms and wind farms are
27:41
Speaker 2: being resisted graat. You know, So how does he do
27:43
Speaker 2: both jobs if you can't do the one here, well, oh.
27:51
Speaker 4: We might have lost him. Am to keep going.
27:56
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's to put some space between itself and the
27:59
Speaker 12: ambitions of mister Varne. I think he will be arguing
28:03
Speaker 12: things as COP president that will be quite hostile to
28:08
Speaker 12: Australia's best financial interests, and.
28:12
Speaker 10: In effect, I think the Prime Minister needs a mister
28:15
Speaker 10: fix It to get on top of the issue of
28:17
Speaker 10: power prices and to give him some cover from whatever
28:20
Speaker 10: happens at the COP meeting itself.
28:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what I comment on May just before
28:25
Speaker 2: to Andrew Cleanw. I do think they're going to find
28:27
Speaker 2: this as a way to have him elegantly dismount the
28:29
Speaker 2: job in moving moment. I think he's toxic in the electorate.
28:33
Speaker 2: I don't think is that smart is not sort of
28:35
Speaker 2: intellectually capable of fixing the mess labor of God. And
28:39
Speaker 2: they have to do something on power prices because they'll
28:42
Speaker 2: bleed on the next election. But also now there's a
28:44
Speaker 2: real point of difference with the coalition.
28:48
Speaker 10: That's right, there is a point of difference, and that
28:51
Speaker 10: contest is going to become more intense, and I think
28:56
Speaker 10: Chris Bone is going to make it more difficult, not
28:58
Speaker 10: easier for the government.
29:02
Speaker 2: Look just one before I lose you, I worried about
29:05
Speaker 2: your line. But there's sbestos links with these Chinese wind farms.
29:10
Speaker 4: How serious is.
29:11
Speaker 10: This Well, I think the serious element to it is
29:16
Speaker 10: that these things have been imported and installed without the
29:20
Speaker 10: proper checks on what's going into them. It's been found
29:24
Speaker 10: that there's some break linings on the wind turbines that
29:28
Speaker 10: contains asbestos. It's probably not something that has a big
29:32
Speaker 10: impact on the broader community, but it goes to the
29:37
Speaker 10: issue of importing these things from China, the proper supervision
29:42
Speaker 10: on what they entail, and of course a big question
29:46
Speaker 10: what else don't we know?
29:48
Speaker 2: And of course if you're a farmer in the vicinity
29:51
Speaker 2: and they use those brakes and it's windy, of course
29:54
Speaker 2: that asbestos.
29:54
Speaker 4: Has spread over quite a huge area.
29:58
Speaker 2: We'll leave it there, Graham, thanks for you time after
30:01
Speaker 2: break serious cyber concerns his time around the Chinese delegation
30:05
Speaker 2: that visited the Parliament. PM says they're our good friends,
30:08
Speaker 2: so why they locked down? Plus rank hypocrisy from the
30:11
Speaker 2: Greens and Tills as they make out rageous demands at
30:14
Speaker 2: the former Senator.
30:15
Speaker 4: Linda Reynolds, welcome back to the calm.
30:21
Speaker 2: Why Pauline Hansen's absolutely right, we need a debate on
30:25
Speaker 2: the burker in this country. The first this morning in
30:28
Speaker 2: China's number three leader, Jo Lugie, along with a delegation,
30:33
Speaker 2: visited Prime Minister at Parliament House, and that was after
30:36
Speaker 2: an official dinner last night. Now granted the government's keen
30:40
Speaker 2: to keep up diplomatic relations with China, but this trip
30:44
Speaker 2: has sparked security warnings from a number of experts. His
30:47
Speaker 2: staffers in Parliament House were told to turn off their
30:50
Speaker 2: phones and Internet connected devices during the time that this
30:54
Speaker 2: man was inside the building. In a member of parliamentary employees,
30:59
Speaker 2: the Department of Parliament Entry Services, their security division, we said,
31:03
Speaker 2: quote where devices must be used? Goodness me and Parliament House.
31:07
Speaker 2: You're always on a device. Please ensure phones and iPads,
31:10
Speaker 2: they said, are updated with the latest software version and
31:14
Speaker 2: placed in lockdown mode, and laptops should have Wi Fi
31:18
Speaker 2: and Bluetooth switched off.
31:20
Speaker 4: Joining me now to discuss this.
31:22
Speaker 2: Shadow Minister for Cybersecurity, Claire Chandler Claire welcome. We'll talk
31:28
Speaker 2: more broadly about the relationship, but I'll tell you what
31:32
Speaker 2: every single time I used to go to China when
31:34
Speaker 2: I work for the Prime Minister. You know, you take
31:36
Speaker 2: a burn a phone, you don't take any devices. You
31:39
Speaker 2: clean everything that you take in or you throw it away.
31:43
Speaker 2: That's when you go to them. I've never heard of
31:46
Speaker 2: a circumstance where a Chinese delegation comes to Australia and
31:51
Speaker 2: our most secure environment of Parliament House, all of you
31:55
Speaker 2: and all the staff are told to shut down, turn off.
31:58
Speaker 4: We can't trust them. If that the case, well.
32:03
Speaker 6: I think there are some serious questions that need to
32:06
Speaker 6: be answered here, Peter. And partly those will be questions
32:09
Speaker 6: for the Department of Parliamentary Services, and partly I suspect
32:12
Speaker 6: they will be questions for other government agencies like the
32:16
Speaker 6: Department of Foreign.
32:16
Speaker 5: Affairs, like AZO.
32:18
Speaker 6: We were given this advice from the Department of Parliamentary
32:21
Speaker 6: Services at about eight point thirty on Monday morning, when
32:24
Speaker 6: everyone had shown up to Parliament House in Canberra ready
32:28
Speaker 6: for the last sitting week of the year. And apart
32:31
Speaker 6: from being told the specifics that you've just outlined of
32:34
Speaker 6: turning phones off if you're in certain areas of the
32:37
Speaker 6: building or putting them down into lockdown mode, there was
32:40
Speaker 6: no further detail around exactly what the security risks might
32:44
Speaker 6: have been, why this decision had been made, and indeed
32:47
Speaker 6: why the Department had waited until seemingly the last minute
32:51
Speaker 6: to communicate to staff more broadly and parliamentarians as well
32:55
Speaker 6: about what was required of them. So it has been
32:59
Speaker 6: quite a puzzling couple of days, and again I think
33:02
Speaker 6: there are some questions that will need to be pursued
33:04
Speaker 6: before we can fully get to the bottom of exactly
33:07
Speaker 6: why we had to go to.
33:08
Speaker 5: These extreme lengths here in the Parliament this week.
33:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, as I said, you know, I've never heard of
33:13
Speaker 2: this occurring. So what has changed? What are the efficiencies
33:18
Speaker 2: Claire with the Australian parliament houses network? Now, clearly it's
33:22
Speaker 2: a vulnerable network if they've had to do this, And
33:25
Speaker 2: you know, in my time President g himself came into
33:28
Speaker 2: the Chamber, into the House of Representatives and spoke to
33:31
Speaker 2: the Parliament and none of this was required then, So
33:34
Speaker 2: what is different and it to the reason why they
33:37
Speaker 2: didn't give you much notice is that they didn't want to
33:39
Speaker 2: be just you know, discussing it like we are.
33:41
Speaker 4: Now on air. Have you sawt a briefing? Have they
33:44
Speaker 4: given you a briefing.
33:48
Speaker 6: Look, I haven't been offered any briefing yet at this point.
33:52
Speaker 6: I won't speak on behalf of other colleagues that whose
33:55
Speaker 6: responsibilities might touch on these areas. But yeah, I think
34:00
Speaker 6: that's a very valid point and that there are questions
34:02
Speaker 6: that need to be answered and it should be explained
34:05
Speaker 6: to all occupants of this building and parliamentarians why this
34:08
Speaker 6: sort of advice has come about. I mean, like you say,
34:12
Speaker 6: previously there have been delegations by China to the Federal
34:16
Speaker 6: Parliament and these sorts of rules haven't been put in place. Indeed,
34:20
Speaker 6: we would get a parliamentary delegation from another nation I
34:23
Speaker 6: don't know, probably every sitting week, if not every second
34:26
Speaker 6: sitting week.
34:27
Speaker 5: In my six years in the Parliament.
34:28
Speaker 6: I've never once been told that you have to switch
34:31
Speaker 6: your phone off or that the Wi Fi might have
34:34
Speaker 6: moments of being a little bit patchy throughout the building
34:36
Speaker 6: for the duration of a parliamentary delegation visit.
34:39
Speaker 4: It's just quite a fuddlength not workable. It's not workable.
34:44
Speaker 2: I'm also surprised, you know, if you listen to the
34:46
Speaker 2: Prime Minister, they're supposed to be our great friends. Again,
34:49
Speaker 2: this is not how great friends treat each other. If
34:51
Speaker 2: we're so vulnerable that you basically are turning off your
34:55
Speaker 2: phones and back to carrier pigeons on a busy sitting day.
35:00
Speaker 5: Well that's exactly right.
35:01
Speaker 6: But we have to remember that the Chinese Communist Party
35:05
Speaker 6: has taken a very aggressive approach towards our democracy previously,
35:09
Speaker 6: when one of its state aligned cyber hacking groups attempted
35:14
Speaker 6: to hack parliamentarians including myself back in twenty twenty one,
35:19
Speaker 6: purely because we were members of the Interparliamentary Alliance on
35:23
Speaker 6: China and seemingly the CCP wanted to send us a
35:27
Speaker 6: message or find out more about our views on the
35:30
Speaker 6: Chinese Communist Party. So this is a pattern of behavior
35:34
Speaker 6: and all Australians need to be very clear eyed about
35:37
Speaker 6: the cybersecurity threats from foreign actors, including China, and particularly
35:43
Speaker 6: all parliamentarians need to be aware of those risks as well.
35:47
Speaker 2: Let's go to some comments made by the Greens leader
35:50
Speaker 2: Larissa Waters. She is now demanding that Linda Reynolds and
35:54
Speaker 2: are former chief of Staff and the Brown She's demanding
35:57
Speaker 2: they donate any compensation they may receive from their court
36:01
Speaker 2: battles with the Commonwealth over the Brittany Higgins matter. Now,
36:05
Speaker 2: I don't remember the Greens saying that Britney Higgins needs
36:09
Speaker 2: to donate her two point four million dollar payment. Why
36:13
Speaker 2: should Senator Reynolds. She's one, fair and square in court.
36:17
Speaker 2: She's unlikely to see anything from Higgins. She is said
36:20
Speaker 2: to be about to declare bankruptcy. Her husband has declared bankruptcy,
36:26
Speaker 2: so why can't she keep any money she gets.
36:31
Speaker 6: It's once again rank hypocrisy on behalf of the Greens
36:34
Speaker 6: party Kredlin, Peter Rathera, and sadly we've become used to it.
36:39
Speaker 6: I mean, they claim to be the party that defends women,
36:42
Speaker 6: but it's only a certain kind of woman that they
36:45
Speaker 6: want to defend. And I think this, more broadly, just
36:48
Speaker 6: shows how much disregard this political movement has for our
36:52
Speaker 6: legal system. I mean, when damages are awarded in a
36:55
Speaker 6: court of law, they are awarded for a very good
36:57
Speaker 6: reason to restore some sort of lafe, which may be
37:01
Speaker 6: the case in these two examples we're talking about here.
37:05
Speaker 6: So the Greens are saying, oh, well, you know that
37:07
Speaker 6: that loss is less important, ergo, you should have to
37:11
Speaker 6: donate the proceeds to a sort of charity.
37:13
Speaker 5: I do think it's a bit baffling.
37:16
Speaker 4: Well over there, thank you, sir, to Childler. I quick
37:19
Speaker 4: break after the break.
37:20
Speaker 2: As I said, Senata Hanson was on the side of
37:23
Speaker 2: right when she said we need a debate on the
37:25
Speaker 2: burker in Australia. Last a humiliating back down from Labor,
37:29
Speaker 2: but a big win for veterans more than shortly. Okay,
37:36
Speaker 2: back well, as you've seen, Pauline Hanson was suspended for
37:39
Speaker 2: the Senate seven sitting days following her burke is done yesterday,
37:43
Speaker 2: but she's not backing down.
37:45
Speaker 3: I'm censured. Does it really worry me? No, it doesn't
37:52
Speaker 3: for seven days, not at all. I'll stand my ground
37:56
Speaker 3: and what I believe in I will continue to do so.
38:01
Speaker 2: All right, let's bring in my panel on our former
38:02
Speaker 2: liberal and Pinicole Flint, an author at The Spectator, Terry Barnes.
38:06
Speaker 2: Welcome to you both, Nicole, I said at the top
38:10
Speaker 2: of the program. Absolutely, yes, it was a stunt, but
38:13
Speaker 2: there's plenty of stunts in the Senate.
38:14
Speaker 4: She's not alone.
38:16
Speaker 2: Surely though, a debate about a burker in Australia is legitimate.
38:21
Speaker 2: And I went through a whole list of European, African,
38:24
Speaker 2: Asian and did a lot of Muslim countries that ban
38:27
Speaker 2: the burker, banned the nicab When I'm talk about the
38:30
Speaker 2: headscarf here, it's about face covering as women that wear
38:34
Speaker 2: them obviously as you know, and not men, and it's
38:37
Speaker 2: not an article of Islamic faith, it's not required. Surely
38:41
Speaker 2: that debate in Australia is as legitimate here as it
38:45
Speaker 2: was in Portugal last month.
38:49
Speaker 13: It is completely outrageous that this debate would shut down
38:53
Speaker 13: in the Senate. And can you believe that two weeks
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Speaker 13: ago today on your show, pointed out three ways that
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Speaker 13: the left operate and one of the key things the
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Speaker 13: left do is silence their opponents and shut down debate
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Speaker 13: if they don't like the topic, and that is precisely
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Speaker 13: what has happened in the Senate. It is completely outrageous
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Speaker 13: there is this we have to have this debate and
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Speaker 13: it is I think, Peter, as you have pointed out,
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Speaker 13: a debate about women's rights. But of course Labor don't
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Speaker 13: want to debate women's rights on any level whatsoever, because
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Speaker 13: it is the Federal Labor Party who erased the very
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Speaker 13: definition of women and the Sex Discrimination Act under the
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Speaker 13: Gillar government in twenty thirteen and everything has gone downhill
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Speaker 13: for Australian women since. So no wonder they shut down
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Speaker 13: this debate because they do not want to discuss women's
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Speaker 13: rights at any level.
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Speaker 2: The funny thing is, to Carle, you and I both
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Speaker 2: are out there in the real world. Everyone last night
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Speaker 2: would have been saying around the kitchen table, or at
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Speaker 2: the pub or you know, at the cricket training or wherever.
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Speaker 2: Oh jeez, what do we think about that? I mean,
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Speaker 2: do we think it should be banned? As you know,
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Speaker 2: surehands and probably should have put it on and got
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Speaker 2: into the chamber. But yeah, fair point. I mean why
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Speaker 2: can't we talk about it? I think that's the conversation
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Speaker 2: that labor is missing.
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Speaker 13: Absolutely it is, Peter, and you know this is let's
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Speaker 13: bring it on, have the debate. If you are confident
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Speaker 13: in your position, as labor apparently are, then have the debate.
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Speaker 13: What are they hiding from?
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Speaker 4: Peter?
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Speaker 13: And I think all reasonable Australians A want to see
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Speaker 13: this debate And b do you want to see the
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Speaker 13: burker band like so many countries around the world, as
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Speaker 13: you have pointed out, countries like France, who I think
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Speaker 13: banded in twenty eleven Denmark, all of the progressive Scandinavian countries.
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Speaker 13: It's about time we banned it here. But hey, first
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Speaker 13: of all, let's just have the debate for goodness sake.
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Speaker 2: I know, let's leave it there, Let's go down to Victoria.
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Speaker 2: The Order to General Terry has warned that the Allen
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Speaker 2: government's sure term focus is leaving the state at financial risk.
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Speaker 2: We know debts very high there, but the projection is
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Speaker 2: even shocked. Maybe two hundred and thirty six billion dollars
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Speaker 2: by twenty eight twenty nine.
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Speaker 4: This is massive.
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Speaker 2: They're spending sixty one million dollars per annum on ministerial staff.
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Speaker 2: You've written a crack of a piece for the Spectator.
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Speaker 2: This is about Jess Wilson and who she should appoint
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Speaker 2: in your view as a new shadow treasurer. You reckon
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Speaker 2: Richard Welsh is the man. Give us the pitch for Welsh.
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Speaker 2: Tell us why he should get the job over anyone else.
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Speaker 14: Well, first, I don't want to put the mockers on
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Speaker 14: the poor man Peter, but certainly I saw him in
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Speaker 14: action at the HR Nichols Society conference last Friday, and
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Speaker 14: he's the coalition's I asked spokes from in Victoria, He look,
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Speaker 14: he just impressed me. And why did he impress me? One,
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Speaker 14: he was clearly economically literate. He could think on his feet,
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Speaker 14: he could communicate, he could actually win over an audience.
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Speaker 14: But beyond that, he's an MBA. He's been a in
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Speaker 14: financial services, merchant banking. He's been an entrepreneur. He's started
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Speaker 14: up a business from scratch. He's built of factories and
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Speaker 14: employed people in India and other countries. Why he wanted
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Speaker 14: to come to a dysfunctional opposition Victoria, I do not know.
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Speaker 4: But you need people with that type of.
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Speaker 14: Track record, people who actually understand economics, people who understand
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Speaker 14: what it is to employ people, people who understand where
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Speaker 14: the state needs to do some pretty tough things. We're
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Speaker 14: talking about a huge job of budget repair. You need
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Speaker 14: the best people on the paddock. You need people who
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Speaker 14: know what they're talking about. I can see him as
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Speaker 14: a shadow treasure He is an upper house MP, but
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Speaker 14: so is the current treasurer.
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Speaker 4: So what's the problem. Oh and besides his father.
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Speaker 14: I was going to say, he's got good sound, conservative
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Speaker 14: values and what's not to like?
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Speaker 2: So estually does im put him in? If she puts
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Speaker 2: in a factional hack and two former shadow treasures I
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Speaker 2: filed lamatably James Newberry wants the job.
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Speaker 4: Brad Roswell wants the job.
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Speaker 2: If she went back to a factional hack like that,
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Speaker 2: another moderate, what does it say about her chances of
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Speaker 2: winning the election?
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Speaker 14: Well, I said it last week. I think if she
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Speaker 14: chooses James Newberry, the former Shadow Treasurer, as a as
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Speaker 14: the once and future of Shadow treasure or in an
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Speaker 14: economic portfolio, I think all bets are off. I think
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Speaker 14: she needs to come to talent. She needs the best
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Speaker 14: people on the paddic, regardless of their factional personal allegiances.
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Speaker 14: And certainly you don't want people who simply play the
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Speaker 14: game to actually be in the engine room in such
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Speaker 14: a crucial role. Because they need budget repair. They need
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Speaker 14: to show they have an economic plan to get them
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Speaker 14: anywhere near the line next November.
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Speaker 4: Let alone over it all.
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Speaker 2: Right, Let's go to the veteran's metal fiasco. I mean,
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Speaker 2: this is embarrassing for the government. I'm worry they won't
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Speaker 2: get the approbrium out there in the public domain that
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Speaker 2: they should for what they tried to pull on here
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Speaker 2: in Nicole.
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Speaker 13: Peter. I think this is just sheer arrogance on Labour's behalf.
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Speaker 13: Now they've got such a big majority, they think they
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Speaker 13: can do whatever they like. But erasing the democratic rights
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Speaker 13: of servicemen and women and veterans from appealing decisions or
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Speaker 13: being able to mount a challenge is completely disgraceful, and Peter,
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Speaker 13: I hope that we will continue to monitor this bill
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Speaker 13: very very closely and keep calling it out if they
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Speaker 13: attempt to reintroduce it, because it is an absolute and
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Speaker 13: utter disgrace.
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Speaker 2: And just with a similar vein here that the arrogance
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Speaker 2: that you know the ninety three seat majority means that
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Speaker 2: you know cocker hoop and the opposition is still scratching
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Speaker 2: around and fighting amongst itself. This also plays out into
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Speaker 2: the FOI push Terry, you know canceling.
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Speaker 4: And you've worked in a ministerial job.
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Speaker 2: Canceling the Foy laws and the way that they operate,
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Speaker 2: the transparency that they operate. I work for a number
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Speaker 2: of ministers and all of them said to me, no
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Speaker 2: good government should fear Foy. So the fact that Labor
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Speaker 2: what's to make it less transparent? When the PM was
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Speaker 2: it a pains against Scott Morrison to promise transparency, well
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Speaker 2: this should concern us.
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Speaker 14: All, well, that's right, and certainly since nineteen eighty two,
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Speaker 14: the Food Freedom of Information Act has been a guaranteur
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Speaker 14: of well public awareness and transparency when it comes to
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Speaker 14: the operations of government. And as you say, a good
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Speaker 14: government should always be open to scrutiny and transparency. And
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Speaker 14: certainly the fact that the Albanezy government is coming up
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Speaker 14: with all these sorts of really spurious justifications, including chatbots
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Speaker 14: or I'm sorry whatever they call them, you know those
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Speaker 14: bot things that trail through data and ask questions. I mean,
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Speaker 14: as long as a human being is making the application,
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Speaker 14: they've got an absolute right to have have it considered.
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Speaker 14: They might try and refine the request to make it manageable,
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Speaker 14: but the bottom line is that we as citizens are
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Speaker 14: entitled or ask questions about government.
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Speaker 4: We pay the bills. You're absolutely right, let's go to AI.
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Speaker 2: There's a survey out here, Nicole at the moment that
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Speaker 2: says seventy percent of finance sector workers think AI poses
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Speaker 2: a threat to their job security. This is finance workers.
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Speaker 2: And I remember that case that was just a sided
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Speaker 2: the other day in relation to WESTPACAM. I wanted to
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Speaker 2: work from home for the entire week. Wouldn't go back
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Speaker 2: into the office. I reckon working from home.
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Speaker 4: Such a good idea if you're worried about AI.
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Speaker 13: Absolutely this might. This might change a few attitudes, Peter
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Speaker 13: and get people back into the office where they should
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Speaker 13: be for most of the time.
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Speaker 4: And you know, I spoke a few weeks ago.
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Speaker 13: About wanting to have the cop conference in Adelaide. It
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Speaker 13: was to support all of our businesses, especially in the CBD,
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Speaker 13: all every single CBD around the nation, all of those
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Speaker 13: small businesses. The rest trumps and cafes are still doing
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Speaker 13: it really tough because people aren't in the office like
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Speaker 13: they used to be. So maybe this might encourage a
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Speaker 13: few people back into the cities, back into their offices,
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Speaker 13: and back into supporting our wonderful small businesses.
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Speaker 2: Well said, got to leave it there. Thank you both
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Speaker 2: for your company Tonight.
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Speaker 4: That's it for me. I'll see you tomorrow night. Delighted
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Speaker 4: to be back with you. Is agible