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EPSTEIN FILES RELEASE HOAX, COULDN'T SLEEP W ADULT WOMEN BC OF 'HEART CONDITION' · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace the Epstein files release. It's
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  Speaker 1: a big hoax, Lies, lies, lies. Why won't Bondye release
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  Speaker 1: the files? What is she hiding this? As Julain Maxwell
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  Speaker 1: gives a statement to the Feds, it's nothing but a
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  Speaker 1: pack of lies, including wait for it, that Jeffrey Epstein
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  Speaker 1: couldn't sleep with adult women because of a heart condition.
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  Speaker 1: This is while he is charged with sex trafficking miners.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. I want to
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  Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. Now we've got the
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  Speaker 2: administration telling us look the other way.
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  Speaker 3: We got orange blobs, we got a guy who looks
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  Speaker 3: like you know, he supposedly killed himself.
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  Speaker 2: With orange paper towels. Please, there are probably.
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  Speaker 3: Hundreds of people who need Jeffrey Epstein gone for multiple reasons.
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  Speaker 1: There's so much happening in the Jeffrey Epstein case. He
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  Speaker 1: is haunting us from the Great Beyond. Actually it's not
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  Speaker 1: the Great Beyond. I know where he is. He's having
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  Speaker 1: dinner with Satan tonight. That said, why can't we get
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  Speaker 1: our miits on the Epstein files. Jelaine Maxwell, his hinch
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  Speaker 1: person his bills above has been transferred to a cushy,
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  Speaker 1: dormitory style jail. And she gives hours and hours of statements,
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  Speaker 1: all of them a pack of lies. Is she trying
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  Speaker 1: to curry favor, to pave the way to a pardon?
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  Speaker 2: Well, speaking of her lies, I want you to hear
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  Speaker 2: one right off the top. Listen.
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  Speaker 4: So there's been a lot of conversations about whether mister
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  Speaker 4: Epstein can maintain, likey, a list.
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  Speaker 5: Of people, like a book of of.
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  Speaker 6: Famous people that he knew, like a it's called a
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  Speaker 6: black book, or a.
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  Speaker 5: Client list or a list. Did you know of the
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  Speaker 5: existence of any such list?
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  Speaker 7: There is no list. We'll start with that. The genesis
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  Speaker 7: of that story.
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  Speaker 8: I can actually trace for you from its absolute inception.
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  Speaker 7: If that is what you're interested in.
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  Speaker 5: First, you know to be sure there is no list.
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  Speaker 5: There's no client list, nothing like that.
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  Speaker 7: No, there's nothing you know that.
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  Speaker 5: I'm obviously.
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  Speaker 6: During the time that you were with mister Epstein, and
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  Speaker 6: even in the two thousands when you were around less frequently,
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  Speaker 6: you never observed or you never saw, any sort of
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  Speaker 6: list or black book or a list of individuals who.
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  Speaker 5: You know link to certain missus or anything like that.
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  Speaker 8: Absolutely, no, there is no list. There is no I'm
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  Speaker 8: not aware of any blackmail. I never heard, I never
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  Speaker 8: heard that, I never saw it, and I never I
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  Speaker 8: never imagined it.
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  Speaker 1: Don't fall for that posh brit accent. There you hear
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  Speaker 1: Gillai Maxwell swearing there is no client list.
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  Speaker 2: What do we mean by client list?
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein had a world wide child trafficking ring, right
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  Speaker 1: He flew little girls from all over the world, Turkey, France,
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  Speaker 1: the stands to an island that we know of, where
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  Speaker 1: they were put off the plane onto a ferry and
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  Speaker 1: ferried to a private island in the US Virgin Islands.
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  Speaker 2: We have jurisdiction.
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  Speaker 1: Now, why is there a parade of twelve year old
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  Speaker 1: little girls going off ferries to Epstein's mansion, which is
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  Speaker 1: miles of water away from the shore. One little girl,
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  Speaker 1: and it's been documented, try to swim off the island
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  Speaker 1: and get back to shore, but she couldn't. So the
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  Speaker 1: clients are the men that came to be with those children.
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  Speaker 1: Now here Gilain Maxwell saying there is no such thing.
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  Speaker 2: Well, guess what.
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  Speaker 1: The US Attorney General, the US Attorney General for our
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  Speaker 1: whole nation says, She's got the client list right there
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  Speaker 1: on her desk.
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  Speaker 9: Listen the DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey
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  Speaker 9: Epstein's clients.
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  Speaker 5: Will that really happen?
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  Speaker 2: It's sitting on my desk right now to review. That's
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  Speaker 2: been a directive by President Trump. I'm going to need
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  Speaker 2: to hear that again.
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  Speaker 1: That is from our friends at Fox News, our friend
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  Speaker 1: John Roberts. Okay, Maxwell's saying there is no such thing,
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  Speaker 1: Bonnie saying, as you're right here on my desk, people,
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  Speaker 1: and we're going to release it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they haven't released it yet. What are they hiding?
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  Speaker 2: And at the.
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  Speaker 1: Core of this are little girls now adults still waiting
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  Speaker 1: on justice at joining me where now it's psycho analyst
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  Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall, author of deal Breaker. You can see
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  Speaker 1: her on Peacock and she is at Doctorbethany Marshall dot com.
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  Speaker 1: You know, doctor Bethany, I have dealt with a lot
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  Speaker 1: of child molestation victims, a lot of rape victims.
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  Speaker 2: And yes, they grow up and if you were walking.
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  Speaker 1: Down the street, you would know that they were any
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  Speaker 1: different from everybody else, but they carry with them. It's
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  Speaker 1: an emotional handicap. They are never the same again, much
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  Speaker 1: less when their own government covers.
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  Speaker 3: Up Nancy to carry around profound shame and guilt. And
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  Speaker 3: when I say shame, I'm talking about a deep, underlying
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  Speaker 3: feeling that they are cut off from the love of
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  Speaker 3: the community, without support, without protection, and that they can
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  Speaker 3: never trust again, and that there will never be reconciliation.
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  Speaker 3: And in many ways these feelings are true, They're not
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  Speaker 3: just made up. In a case like this, when when
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  Speaker 3: Dylan Maxwell says there's no little black book, Okay, there's
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  Speaker 3: a purple book, Okay, there's a Rolodex.
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  Speaker 2: You can't tell me there's.
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  Speaker 3: Not a manifest that they had for the planes that
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  Speaker 3: the Lolita expressed, didn't have a list of passengers that
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  Speaker 3: went there.
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  Speaker 10: You can't tell me that.
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  Speaker 3: Those billions in transfers to Russia had recipients, bank accounts,
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  Speaker 3: people managing those accounts. These women who feel a shame
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  Speaker 3: been cut off from love feel that way for a
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  Speaker 3: reason because we as a society is still we're still
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  Speaker 3: playing into this sham. This think Gilan Maxwell is telling.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the lies that she is spewing goes on
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  Speaker 1: and on, and you know, let me go to a
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  Speaker 1: veteran trial lawyer, and I know I'm not ready to
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  Speaker 1: fight with you just yet.
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  Speaker 2: Troyce s Layton.
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  Speaker 1: But I think you're gonna agree with me, Troy slaytnes
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  Speaker 1: is as I said, a veteran trial lawyer joining us
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  Speaker 1: out of LA tried a ton of cases and won
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  Speaker 1: a lot of them. Troy, have you ever noticed that
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  Speaker 1: when people are trying to tell a lie, I'm thinking
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  Speaker 1: of defendants. You're probably gonna think of somebody else. But
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  Speaker 1: and you just sit there quietly, and they look at you,
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  Speaker 1: and then they just keep talking, and the lie gets
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  Speaker 1: bigger and bigger and more and more elaborate. It's very
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  Speaker 1: hard for a died in the wool liar to just
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  Speaker 1: make it short and sweet.
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  Speaker 2: They just have to elaborate, which I love. Have you
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  Speaker 2: ever noticed that?
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  Speaker 9: I think even the great author Shakespeare noticed it when
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  Speaker 9: he said the lady doth protest too much. Liars tend
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  Speaker 9: to spin long yon burns and create even seemingly unimportant
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  Speaker 9: details in order to make the lie more believable. And
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  Speaker 9: we may have seen that in action here during Glenn
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  Speaker 9: Maxwell's long interview with the Assistant Attorney General.
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  Speaker 1: Now Troy Slayton. Of course, not to split hairs or
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  Speaker 1: parse words, but I believe I've corrected you on this
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  Speaker 1: before the quote is methinks thou death protest too much
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  Speaker 1: is not just women, Troy Slayton misogynists, and that is
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  Speaker 1: from Hamlet just future reference actually keep saying it incorrectly,
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  Speaker 1: So I can you.
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  Speaker 2: Also review my Shakespeare? You do that in the meantime,
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  Speaker 2: I think.
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  Speaker 1: You're absolutely correct. They can't stop themselves. And I'm getting
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  Speaker 1: back to Gilaine Maxwell. So she starts off with saying
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  Speaker 1: there is no client list, what client is?
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  Speaker 3: What?
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  Speaker 1: Now she goes into a lot of detail, brace yourself, Slaton.
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  Speaker 11: This.
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  Speaker 8: So the original statement that Brad Edwards makes that's in
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  Speaker 8: the documents.
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  Speaker 7: And ceraneously is that it's pieces of paper that Alfredo has.
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  Speaker 8: It then morphs into something that Alfredo took a book
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  Speaker 8: that Alfredo took from Epstein's computer. But there's no computer,
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  Speaker 8: I know, certainly more in two thousand and five when
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  Speaker 8: this was allegedly taken, that came out as a book,
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  Speaker 8: and then it morphed into the civil time for my
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  Speaker 8: civil cases into a book.
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  Speaker 7: That was taken from my computer, and then.
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  Speaker 8: It morphed into the some district of New York as
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  Speaker 8: a combination list of minewn Epstein's that is a metamorphosis
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  Speaker 8: through documents that you can trace.
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  Speaker 1: What in the world is she trying to say, joining
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  Speaker 1: me crime stories, investigative reporter Sydney Sumner.
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  Speaker 2: Here is Gan Maxwell.
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  Speaker 1: Why they move to a cushy, dormitory style jail. It's
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  Speaker 1: not really even a jail, it's more like a camp.
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  Speaker 1: Is she trying to cover for Trump or cover for Clinton?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe neither of those, but she's definitely
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  Speaker 1: trying to get a pardon. And here she's saying, there
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  Speaker 1: is no client list, There is no Little Black Book.
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  Speaker 2: In other words, there are no John's. That's what we
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  Speaker 2: call them on the street John's.
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  Speaker 1: So she's trying to explain the genesis of the Little
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  Speaker 1: Black Book, the client list's story.
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  Speaker 2: And she's talking.
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  Speaker 1: About someone named Alfredo Rodriguez. And isn't that Epstein's butler, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: of course he had a butler.
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  Speaker 2: Explain what she's saying, Sidney Sumner.
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  Speaker 10: Right, So here she's saying that the purported client list
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  Speaker 10: that everyone is freaking out about wants to see doesn't
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  Speaker 10: really exist. But to so get Blanche up to speed
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  Speaker 10: on where exactly this rumor came from, she goes all
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  Speaker 10: the way back to two thousand and nine, when Epstein
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  Speaker 10: has just been criminally investigated the first time and civil
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  Speaker 10: suits are now coming out against him. So Maxwell claims
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  Speaker 10: that this law firm that was a little bit shady
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  Speaker 10: took on a lot of these Epstein victim civil suit cases,
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  Speaker 10: and one of those attorneys was working with Epstein's butler
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  Speaker 10: to get evidence against him. So that's where Alfredo Rodriguez
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  Speaker 10: comes in. And so what they claimed, what this lawyer
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  Speaker 10: claimed to be a client list was really just in
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  Speaker 10: address book that the butler went through and apparently circled
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  Speaker 10: or marked people who were involved in this trafficking ring.
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  Speaker 10: So Maxwell gets through this long winded explanation.
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  Speaker 1: What's wrong with that bottom line boiling it down is
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  Speaker 1: that a previous civil lawyer went through an address book,
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  Speaker 1: a five hundred person address book that belaw Oops, there's
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  Speaker 1: the Cuomos and the Kennedys on there. I doubt that
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  Speaker 1: they were visiting Lola Island. So my point is there
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  Speaker 1: are regular contacts in there along with who many believe
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  Speaker 1: are clients, let me say in a nice way, clients.
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  Speaker 1: So there's a five hundred person address book and the butler,
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  Speaker 1: who knew Epstein really well, who was there day to day,
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  Speaker 1: who saw who was coming and going, went through and
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  Speaker 1: marked the names of the men involved in the sex
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  Speaker 1: trafficking ring.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, sounds like evidence to me.
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  Speaker 1: So. First of all, Gallaine Maxwell, in her effort to
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  Speaker 1: get a pardon, says there is no client list.
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  Speaker 2: Let's hear what else she has to say.
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  Speaker 12: Maxwell denies every aspect of Virginia Geffray's victimization, says she
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  Speaker 12: never recruited messuses. Maxwell insists Jeffrey is lying about sex
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  Speaker 12: with Prince Andrew. Maxwell says Jeffrey used evidence from flight
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  Speaker 12: logs to fabricate the story, saying she was busy with
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  Speaker 12: her mom's eightieth birthday, her home in London was not
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  Speaker 12: a suitable venue for royalty in Jeffray's description of her
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  Speaker 12: bathroom where Prince Andrew allegedly raped her was missing unforgettable details.
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  Speaker 6: When you were just asked about the photo, you said
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  Speaker 6: you actually thought the photo was fake. Do you think
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  Speaker 6: it was just misstated or do you think it's literally
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  Speaker 6: a fig photo?
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  Speaker 7: I believe it's nearly a.
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  Speaker 5: Why do you think that? Wells well, I.
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  Speaker 8: Don't remember it, okay, But the outfit I'm wearing, yeah,
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  Speaker 8: is the outfit from my mom's bathtyboy.
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  Speaker 13: So but you don't have any Do you dispute that
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  Speaker 13: they've met each other?
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  Speaker 5: Do you know whether they've met each other?
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  Speaker 7: I do not know that they.
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  Speaker 4: Meant okay, So you not only so you think that
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  Speaker 4: the photographs fic, but you also are not even possitive
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  Speaker 4: they actually ever met each other.
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  Speaker 7: I know.
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  Speaker 5: So you don't have a specific recollection of.
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  Speaker 6: Kind of being at an event or a party or
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  Speaker 6: your apartment, your flat London with Prince Andrew and absolutely so.
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  Speaker 1: In addition to Gillian Maxwell stating there is no client list,
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  Speaker 1: when Bonnie says it's right here on my desk people,
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  Speaker 1: she now has disavowed everything that Virginia Giffrey said about
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  Speaker 1: being abused not only.
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  Speaker 2: By Epstein but by Prince s Andrew.
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  Speaker 1: Then why Tisa Tales joining me investigative reporter.
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  Speaker 2: Star of Teas Tales on YouTube?
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  Speaker 1: Did Prince Andrew enter into a twenty plus million dollars
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  Speaker 1: settlement to shut Jeffrey up? If he's totally innocent? And hey,
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  Speaker 1: I want you to hear one more thing. Hold on, Tisa,
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  Speaker 1: You're going to love this. Did you hear Glame Maxwell
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  Speaker 1: saying that could possibly have been a real photo because
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  Speaker 1: that's the.
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  Speaker 2: Outfit I wore to my mom's birthdate.
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  Speaker 1: Well, she took a page out of Andrew's book. Remember
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  Speaker 1: he said, well, that couldn't possibly be real because those
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  Speaker 1: are my traveling clothes. I guess he has a different
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  Speaker 1: set of clothes every day to travel. In fact, let's
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  Speaker 1: listen to Prince Andrew speaking to the BBC.
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  Speaker 14: I don't believe it's a picture of me in London
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  Speaker 14: because when I go out to when I go out
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  Speaker 14: in London, I wear a suit and a tie. That's
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  Speaker 14: what I would describe as those are my traveling clothes.
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  Speaker 5: That's me.
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  Speaker 14: But whether that's my hand or whether that's the position,
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  Speaker 14: but I don't. I have simply no recollection of the
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  Speaker 14: photograph ever being taken.
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  Speaker 2: That's where our friends at BBC and Troye Layton.
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  Speaker 1: That is exactly why defendants are told keep your yap shut,
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  Speaker 1: exercise your right to the Fifth Amendment.
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  Speaker 2: Because Andrew just it got worse and worse and worse.
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  Speaker 1: So now he's saying those are his traveling clothes and
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  Speaker 1: he would never have worn those. Two get together and
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  Speaker 1: that is him, but it's not his hand. He later
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  Speaker 1: says that he was there, but he doesn't recall being upstairs,
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  Speaker 1: So how does he even know that is the upstairs
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  Speaker 1: if he's never been to the upstairs. I mean, his
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  Speaker 1: lies get worse and worse, and both he and Gulane
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  Speaker 1: Maxwell state this couldn't be real because they've got on
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  Speaker 1: the wrong clothes.
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  Speaker 9: The biggest nightmare for an attorney, either in the criminal
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  Speaker 9: realm or even in the civil realm, is having their
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  Speaker 9: client give interviews and multiple interviews away where they're explaining
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  Speaker 9: mi new details that will always be used against them.
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  Speaker 9: Everything that somebody says, whether it's in court or not,
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  Speaker 9: if they're a party, can be used against them. It's
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  Speaker 9: not hearsay when if parties to a lawsuit. And yeah,
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  Speaker 9: that's why it's so important. I always recommend to my
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  Speaker 9: clients that they exercise their right to remain silent and
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  Speaker 9: they don't get diarrhea of the mouth like.
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  Speaker 2: You may should the hay up.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, okay, now speaking of yes that's me, but I've
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  Speaker 1: got on the wrong clothes and that's not my hand
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  Speaker 1: and I've never been to that part of Glen Maxwell's
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  Speaker 1: home and she's saying those are the wrong clothes. I
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  Speaker 1: would never have worn that well, Andrew says, it's so
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  Speaker 1: much better than I can't listen.
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  Speaker 14: The photograph is taken upstairs, and I don't think I
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  Speaker 14: have a winch upstairs.
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  Speaker 1: In Glenn's hunt that from our friends at BBC OKT
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  Speaker 1: SA tails I was asking you. Glaine Maxwell goes on
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  Speaker 1: and on and on ad nauseum with some crazy excuse
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  Speaker 1: about the butler. Okay, right there, that's getting three inches
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  Speaker 1: up my tail pipe with the accent and the butler
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  Speaker 1: and the this and the that.
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  Speaker 2: I just can't relate to that.
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  Speaker 1: But that aside, she's claiming she never introduced Andrew to
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  Speaker 1: Virginia Giffrey.
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  Speaker 2: Hello Meiu's flash and nearly brought down I'm monarchy.
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  Speaker 1: And there was a twenty plus million dollar settlement to
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  Speaker 1: keep Virginia Giffrey quiet.
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  Speaker 2: You know how ill the queen must have been.
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  Speaker 1: You know, she was a very frugal lady to pay
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  Speaker 1: over twenty meal because of Andrew being with a minor.
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  Speaker 2: And now, and now Elene Maxwell wants us to believe her.
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  Speaker 15: Not only does she want us to believe her, she
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  Speaker 15: is literally trying to rewrite history.
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  Speaker 2: In real time.
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  Speaker 15: It's funny to me that something I can understand that
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  Speaker 15: this happened twenty years ago, fifty years ago.
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  Speaker 2: This literally just had in a few years ago. It
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  Speaker 2: is fresh in everyone's mind.
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  Speaker 15: This was a campaign promise, and they sat there in
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  Speaker 15: the most bumbling manner, almost like there were two kids
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  Speaker 15: that got caught sneaking out to go to the neighbor's party.
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  Speaker 15: So you never knew him, No, I never I never
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  Speaker 15: knew him. So you're saying, even the way the questions
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  Speaker 15: were presented, so you never knew him, you never said
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  Speaker 15: And like you said, Nancy, magically, she doesn't know Bill Clinton,
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  Speaker 15: she doesn't. She barely knows Jeffrey Epstein, she barely knows
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  Speaker 15: Prince Andrew.
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  Speaker 16: As a matter of fact, if I think Epstein was
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  Speaker 16: dating Princess Diana, she literally was throwing a whole pot
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  Speaker 16: of spaghetti.
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  Speaker 2: Hey hey, hey, hey, hey, stop right there.
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  Speaker 1: It's one thing for Glainne Maxwell to drag Princess Diana
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  Speaker 1: into this and the queen, it's another thing for you
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  Speaker 1: to do it, little lady.
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  Speaker 2: Now go wash your mouth. That was site.
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  Speaker 1: We're not hearing anything about Princess Diane. Hey, doctor Bethany,
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  Speaker 1: I gotta throw you something else. We'll let Troy Slayton
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  Speaker 1: mull On this one. Glaine Maxwell also says, now, the
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: whole point of me showing many of her most notable lives,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: there are so many, is to say that everything she's
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: saying about a client list, everything she's saying about Epstein,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: not sex trafficking, that there were no clients coming to
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: the island, or to New York or to Florida. They're
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: all lies and there is a cover up. And at
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: the heart of it are girls as young as twelve
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: years old that were trafficked.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Bethany.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: That's what this is about, and we're relying on Glaine
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Maxwell to tell the truth. Who's like dying to get
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: a pardon. She'll say anything to doctor Bethany. She also said,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: wait for it, death, doctor Bethany, that she only had
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: sex with Epstein once and then for a really long
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: time no sex because of his heart conditions.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: I don't even know where to start with that one.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: Nancy, Okay, Well, first of all, try mind the mindset
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: of a pedophile. There are two types. There's the fixated
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: and there's the regressed. The fixated only ever wants children,
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: and then the regress will sometimes choose adults, but under
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: times of stress, they will gravitate towards children. Both types
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: Nancy are incredibly childlike. Pedophiles are children themselves. That's why
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: they are attracted to children, and that's why Andrew and
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Dalen Maxwell are lying at Caisatel said it like two
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: little six or seven year olds who snuck out to
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: the party next door and now they're covering up to
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: their parents. They have a childlike mindset. What's scary though,
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: is that it's cloaked under all this money and sophistication
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: and power and network of other people. So they pass
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: as adults in society, but there's sexual proclivities and the
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: way they operate mentally are like children. And you know
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: what they're not mentioning, Nancy. There's no fond or concerned
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: or empathic recollection of the victims. If Gilan Maxwell would
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: just say once poor Virginia Jeffries, I can't believe you
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: know that she has gone through what she has gone through,
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: or God rest her soul, or I hear she's no
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: longer with us. You know, there's not one empathic mention
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: of the victims. It's as if the victims the earth.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: You missed this. Dtor bethany.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: I spoke well over an hour to author Barry Levine,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: who has tracked billions of dollars of epstains and interviewed
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: hundreds of people to figure this whole thing out. Gallaine
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Maxwell actually said, Hey, I'm going to throw this to
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan. Jelaine Maxwell actually said about the girl victims,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: they're just trash. All those girls are just trash. So
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan joining me, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: I want to hear your thoughts.
• 23:24
  Speaker 17: Yeah, we see this with people that are they have
• 23:27
  Speaker 17: serious psychopathy. Nancy, we cover these cases all the time
• 23:31
  Speaker 17: where you know, we have these individuals that will kill
• 23:34
  Speaker 17: subjects and kind of dump them off on the side
• 23:36
  Speaker 17: of the road. I know on body bags with my podcast,
• 23:39
  Speaker 17: we cover these cases incessantly where people just discard others
• 23:45
  Speaker 17: like they have no meaning. But Nancy, I want to
• 23:48
  Speaker 17: go back to something real quick that does have meaning.
• 23:50
  Speaker 17: And you'll understand where I'm going with this because you've
• 23:53
  Speaker 17: questioned people. In the very first audio clip of this deposition,
• 23:58
  Speaker 17: did you notice how well she makes a statement and
• 24:02
  Speaker 17: she was not prompted by counsel. She says there is
• 24:06
  Speaker 17: no blackmail list. Blackmail never came up. She's the one
• 24:11
  Speaker 17: that actually introduced that term into that initial conversation. And
• 24:15
  Speaker 17: you know, and I know that when you're speaking to
• 24:18
  Speaker 17: people and they have their mind in a particular area,
• 24:22
  Speaker 17: and I'm thinking right now, very nefarious. Blackmail list didn't
• 24:26
  Speaker 17: come up. So she's thinking about this and then all
• 24:29
  Speaker 17: of a sudden she verbalizes it and also this idea
• 24:34
  Speaker 17: of dehumanizing individuals as well. How do those two things
• 24:38
  Speaker 17: come together. Well, it's all about her, It's all about
• 24:41
  Speaker 17: him and the world that they lived in and inhabited.
• 24:45
  Speaker 17: And I still submit to you that she's trying to
• 24:47
  Speaker 17: protect him in death. She's trying to protect herself, and
• 24:50
  Speaker 17: she's trying to protect the reputation. And Lord only knows
• 24:53
  Speaker 17: who else is on the blackmail list, which I think
• 24:56
  Speaker 17: actually exists.
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: When you were just asked about the photo, you said
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: you actually thought the photo was fake. Do you think
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: it was just misstated or do you think it's literally
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: a fake photo.
• 25:08
  Speaker 7: I believe it's literally a fake photo.
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: Why do you think that, Well, first of all.
• 25:17
  Speaker 7: I don't remember it. We'll stop, okay.
• 25:20
  Speaker 8: But the outfit I'm wearing is the outfit from my
• 25:23
  Speaker 8: mom's birthday party.
• 25:27
  Speaker 13: So but you don't have any Do you dispute that
• 25:32
  Speaker 13: they've met each other?
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: Do you know whether they'd met each other.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: I do not know that they meant okay, So you
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: not only so you think the photograph is fake, but
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: you also are not even positively actually ever met each other.
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: So you don't have a specific recollection of kind of
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: being at an event or a party or your apartment.
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: You know you're flat London with Prince Andrew.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: And why as Pam Bondi, the US Attorney General, affecting
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: a hoax on us, the American people. She swore these
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: files would be released, and now there's a political spin
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: on it that nobody cares that these young victims are
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: all collaborating to somehow smear the administration. They were twelve
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: years old when this happened. They are not in this
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: for politics. They have been begging for justice for years.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Glaine Maxwell, are we going to believe her? She denies
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: as a client list, She denies there was child sex trafficking.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: She denies everything that Virginia Giffras said.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: And by the way, she was.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Convicted for child sex trafficking. She is denying the suicide.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: She said that didn't happen. She's denying every single thing
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: about this case. But I want you to hear proof
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: that that.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Photo was real.
• 27:10
  Speaker 18: Despite Elaine Maxwell's assistence the photo of her, Virginia Goufray
• 27:14
  Speaker 18: and Prince Andrew is a flat out fake. The Mail
• 27:16
  Speaker 18: on Sunday says they saw the proof it is real.
• 27:19
  Speaker 18: Mail on Sunday photographer Michael Thomas took the pictures that
• 27:22
  Speaker 18: first ran in twenty eleven of the original printed photo
• 27:25
  Speaker 18: Thomas saw Walgreens received for the prints from a location
• 27:29
  Speaker 18: just a few miles from Gufray's West Palm Beach home,
• 27:31
  Speaker 18: and now nearly fifteen years later, Thomas realized he also
• 27:35
  Speaker 18: photographed the back of the print. The back of the
• 27:37
  Speaker 18: photo is stamped with the print date March thirteen, two
• 27:41
  Speaker 18: thousand and one, just three days after Goufrey was trafficked
• 27:45
  Speaker 18: to the Prince in London.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: To hear Virginia Giffray, she and Jeffrey Epstein saying in
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: the Catholic School choir together. Sidney Sumner, what is the
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: significance of the Mail on Sunday Photographer Michael Thomas, who
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: took the pictures that first ran in twenty eleven.
• 28:06
  Speaker 10: Well, Thomas didn't realize that in addition to the thirty
• 28:10
  Speaker 10: less photos he took of the front of the original
• 28:14
  Speaker 10: printed photo, he also took photos of the back of
• 28:18
  Speaker 10: that print, and Thomas says, this was a normal four
• 28:22
  Speaker 10: I six printed photo. In the timestamp on the back
• 28:26
  Speaker 10: of that print shows that it was printed at Walgreens
• 28:30
  Speaker 10: a one hour development, and it has the date that
• 28:34
  Speaker 10: this photo was developed just three days after Jeffrey says
• 28:39
  Speaker 10: she was trafficked to Prince Andrew in London for the
• 28:43
  Speaker 10: first time, So it really gives credibility to her story.
• 28:48
  Speaker 10: And Thomas also saw receipts from where she got this
• 28:52
  Speaker 10: photo developed from a Walgreens just a few miles from
• 28:55
  Speaker 10: her home in West Palm Beach. It was also taken
• 28:59
  Speaker 10: the photos were shown to experts who have worked at
• 29:01
  Speaker 10: Walgrange for years and years developing photos and they recognize
• 29:05
  Speaker 10: that type of paper and say that is the paper
• 29:08
  Speaker 10: that would have been used during that time. So this
• 29:11
  Speaker 10: photo really really gives credibility to guphrase story and the
• 29:17
  Speaker 10: fact that there is no way this print could have
• 29:20
  Speaker 10: been faked. It was not digitally manipulated.
• 29:24
  Speaker 7: In this proof that.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Crime stores with Nancy Grace. Danny Pinter is joining US
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Senior VP.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Director of Law Center, National Center on Sex Exploitation. Danny,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. For some reason, Dane
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Maxwell is doing contortions, backflips, somersaults to explain away everything,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: including sex track and reminder. She was convicted of luring
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: children and molesting them, all right, so that's who she
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: is luring them for.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Epstein.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: I can't think of any good reason that the US
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Attorney General refuses.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: To release these files.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: There was just another recent hoax where files were released,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: but less than three percent of the files were anything new.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: They were flight logs. I mean, it's all a big line.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: I don't get it.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: I'm not letting go of it.
• 30:33
  Speaker 19: Danny, me neither, Nancy. This is obviously pr for pardon.
• 30:37
  Speaker 19: And Gilaine Maxwell is a court proven liar. Why are
• 30:40
  Speaker 19: we asking her opinion on anything? Why are we listening
• 30:43
  Speaker 19: to her instead of the victims?
• 30:45
  Speaker 11: And it's so disgusting that she calls Virginia Gufrey a
• 30:50
  Speaker 11: liar now that she's no longer with us. Meanwhile, Glaine
• 30:53
  Speaker 11: Maxwell herself settled a defamation lawsuit with Gufrey.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Why did she settle if a pair.
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: Only everything she says is lies. It's honestly just discussed.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: There's more. There is one thing on which I agree
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: with Glen Maxwell. It's about Epstein's suicide. It was no suicide.
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: Was the investigation about that? Do you so you think
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: he was? He was? He did not die by suicide,
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: given all the things we just talked about.
• 31:25
  Speaker 7: I do not believe he died by suicide.
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: Do you believe that?
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: Do you have any speculation or view of who killed him?
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: No?
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: I don't, And I asked that because if you don't
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: believe that there's any truth to the allegations of blackmail,
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: or that he had kind of a list, or that
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: he had reasons to have people hate him.
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: Why would somebody kill him in prison?
• 31:57
  Speaker 20: In prison where I am, they will kill you, or
• 32:01
  Speaker 20: they will pay somebody can pay a prisoner to kill you.
• 32:06
  Speaker 20: Four twenty five dollars worth of commissary is about the
• 32:11
  Speaker 20: going rate for a pit with a lot today.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Okay, she's talking past backwards again. She's saying no suicide.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go to Joe Scott on that.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: But Tisa tells she's also saying, why would anybody kill him?
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: Now he's in jail. I mean, they'll kill you over
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: twenty five dollars. She just shot herself on the.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Foot because he was about to go to trial and
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: was in a perfect position to rat out very powerful
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: and wealthy people to save his own skin.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: The perfect time to kill him, not only the perfect
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: time to kill him.
• 32:49
  Speaker 7: But, like you said, what is actually.
• 32:51
  Speaker 15: Going on when you listen to this, It is literally
• 32:55
  Speaker 15: like she is in an episode.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Of Mad Loops.
• 32:58
  Speaker 15: You're telling me down the going break for a hit
• 33:01
  Speaker 15: in jail.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: In twenty five dollars on the commissary.
• 33:04
  Speaker 15: The fact that she is doing everything she can, like
• 33:08
  Speaker 15: you said, to hide the truth.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: You have these softball questions. Basically all she has to
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: do is she says yes or no. You said you
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: didn't do this, You said you didn't.
• 33:18
  Speaker 16: Know, and we are sitting here watching her spin tails.
• 33:21
  Speaker 15: When you listen to what she just said the recording,
• 33:23
  Speaker 15: you just said, she can't even believe herself. You hear
• 33:26
  Speaker 15: to say uh for twenty five dollars.
• 33:29
  Speaker 16: I guess what little bit of shame and guilt and
• 33:32
  Speaker 16: self awareness came up in that moment? Was she realized
• 33:35
  Speaker 16: how ridiculous it is Again, like all the guests have
• 33:38
  Speaker 16: said and how.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: You have said a million times.
• 33:41
  Speaker 15: There is no regret, there's no remorse, and at the
• 33:44
  Speaker 15: end of the day they're even on the government side,
• 33:47
  Speaker 15: which is really scary. There is no mention of the
• 33:50
  Speaker 15: thousands of alled victims and confirmed that she left in
• 33:55
  Speaker 15: her wake.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Again, I keep going.
• 33:58
  Speaker 16: Back to this, why is this life being allowed in
• 34:02
  Speaker 16: on actual legal terms to rewrite history when we have
• 34:06
  Speaker 16: a whole trial proving that almost everything she says, besides
• 34:11
  Speaker 16: what her name is, that the only thing she told
• 34:13
  Speaker 16: the truth.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Is one hundred percent a lie. It's shocking and it's scary.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: But at this point I'm side eyeing the government. What
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: is going on? What does she have on these people
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: joining me?
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Professor forensics Jacksonville State University, death investigator with over one
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: thousand death investigations under his belt, author of Blood Beneath
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: My Fate on Amazon and star of a hit podcast
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: series Bodybags of Joe Scott Morgan, Joe Scott, he absolutely
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: did not commit suicide.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: You believe that.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: I believe that doctor Michael Bodd believes that, as staying
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: medical examiners from across the country believe it. In a nutshell,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Why do we know he did not commit suicide.
• 34:55
  Speaker 17: Because the hyoid is fractured is the biggest is the
• 34:58
  Speaker 17: biggest indicator for us. Rarely do you have fractured hyoids
• 35:04
  Speaker 17: when it comes to hanging. Okay, and here's another thing.
• 35:08
  Speaker 17: You see the greater horn of the highwood is fractured
• 35:11
  Speaker 17: right there, that bit of bone that's broken away. That's significant, Nancy.
• 35:16
  Speaker 17: And here's why the nooses and hangings generally don't go
• 35:22
  Speaker 17: up as high up in the neck to come in
• 35:26
  Speaker 17: contact with the area surrounding the hyoid. So this is
• 35:30
  Speaker 17: going to be superior to where the noose was actually positioned. Look,
• 35:35
  Speaker 17: if you don't believe me, sixty minutes, put the pictures
• 35:38
  Speaker 17: out there. Go look for yourself. He has marks on
• 35:42
  Speaker 17: his neck, Nancy, that run parallel to his shoulders. They
• 35:46
  Speaker 17: don't go up underneath his chin up to where the
• 35:50
  Speaker 17: hyoid acts as the anchor for the tongue. It's the
• 35:52
  Speaker 17: only non articulating bone in the human body.
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: It's fractured.
• 35:57
  Speaker 17: In addition to that, the thyrol cartilage right here you
• 36:01
  Speaker 17: feel where the atoms apple is on either side of it,
• 36:05
  Speaker 17: there's actually fracturing in the in the cartilage there. That's
• 36:09
  Speaker 17: significant because that means that direct pressure would have had
• 36:12
  Speaker 17: to have been applied here and also here above that area.
• 36:17
  Speaker 17: And then you've got a ligature mark that is inferior
• 36:20
  Speaker 17: to that. It runs parallel to the shoulders. With hangings,
• 36:23
  Speaker 17: we normally see it come to a V. This is
• 36:26
  Speaker 17: in forensics. This is what we call tinting feature T
• 36:29
  Speaker 17: E N T I N G. That means it supports
• 36:33
  Speaker 17: it like this, it goes up so an individual will
• 36:35
  Speaker 17: hang like this. That ain't happening here. It doesn't appear
• 36:39
  Speaker 17: that way. And I think that that I would never
• 36:41
  Speaker 17: presume to put words in Michael Biden's mouth, but just
• 36:45
  Speaker 17: reading the room, I think that that's probably the conclusion
• 36:48
  Speaker 17: he came to. Additionally, for me, something that really stands
• 36:52
  Speaker 17: out Nancy. At the base of his neck, on the
• 36:55
  Speaker 17: posterior side, where the neck dumps into the shoulder, there's
• 36:59
  Speaker 17: a tuision back there. It's kind of it's an irregular shape.
• 37:05
  Speaker 17: It's a bruise it got there. That's something you don't
• 37:08
  Speaker 17: see with hangings. Where in the world did this thing
• 37:10
  Speaker 17: come from? And that's an anti mortem or before death
• 37:13
  Speaker 17: insult that he has right here.
• 37:15
  Speaker 8: Well, I think they were friendly, like people are in
• 37:18
  Speaker 8: social settings. I don't think they were close friends or
• 37:23
  Speaker 8: I certainly never witnessed the president in any of I
• 37:28
  Speaker 8: don't recall it ever seeing him in his house, for instance.
• 37:31
  Speaker 8: I actually never saw the president in any type of
• 37:34
  Speaker 8: massarge setting. I never witnessed the President in any inappropriate
• 37:39
  Speaker 8: setting in any way. The President was never inappropriate with
• 37:42
  Speaker 8: anybody in the.
• 37:44
  Speaker 7: Times that I was with him.
• 37:45
  Speaker 8: He was a gentleman in all respects.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: Weather, for example, President Clinton never received a massage.
• 38:02
  Speaker 7: I don't believe he did.
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: And what makes you so you don't believe he.
• 38:05
  Speaker 7: Did well, because I don't, So that's a good question.
• 38:12
  Speaker 8: The time that Epstein and President Clinton spent together, the
• 38:16
  Speaker 8: only times I believe, well, obviously they traveled became. They
• 38:21
  Speaker 8: went on the plane twenty six times or of it.
• 38:23
  Speaker 8: That would be one journey, So.
• 38:25
  Speaker 7: They spent time on the plane together.
• 38:26
  Speaker 8: And I don't believe there was ever a massage on
• 38:29
  Speaker 8: the plane. So that would have been the only time
• 38:31
  Speaker 8: that I think that President Clinton could have even received
• 38:34
  Speaker 8: a massage, and he didn't because.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: I was there.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, So according to Galynne Maxwell, Trump is a gentleman
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: and Clinton flew on Epstein's private plane twenty six times. Okay,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: you know I'm not going to decipher that right now,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: because this is what I'm worried about the files release hoax.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: I want the names of all the clients that were
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: lured by Epstein to mate up and more with girls
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: as young as twelve years old, flown and from around
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: the world. We were told there was going to be
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: a big data dump right in the last three business days.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: But what exactly was in that data dump?
• 39:24
  Speaker 12: Listen Bondi delivered on a promise to turn over Epstein
• 39:28
  Speaker 12: files to House Oversight, who says they are working on
• 39:31
  Speaker 12: delivery for public release, but the committee is warning to
• 39:34
  Speaker 12: manage expectations. Representative Rocana claims of thousands of pages of
• 39:39
  Speaker 12: documents the committee received, less than three percent are never
• 39:43
  Speaker 12: before seen. Representative summer Le claims the only new disclosure
• 39:48
  Speaker 12: are flight log locations from two thousand to twenty fourteen,
• 39:52
  Speaker 12: making up fewer than one thousand pages of the documents.
• 39:56
  Speaker 12: The rest is apparently recycled information already.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Made pub Sidney Sumner, What is happening? Why are they
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: lying to us? What are they trying to cover up?
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: What are they trying to keep secret. That was the
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: campaign promise. BONDI has been promising it day after day
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: after day. Now they want us to just stop talking
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: about it. They actually said that stop talking about it.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: So they have this huge data of the Epstein files,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: but there's nothing new in there. Stuff they've already released.
• 40:26
  Speaker 10: They are sticking with that release statement from July saying
• 40:31
  Speaker 10: they have reviewed all of the documents and everything that
• 40:35
  Speaker 10: can and should be made public has already been made public.
• 40:39
  Speaker 10: And that just really does not make sense. I think
• 40:44
  Speaker 10: who they're trying to protect here are all the people
• 40:47
  Speaker 10: that have been named in conjunction. So not that they've
• 40:51
  Speaker 10: actually done any wrongdoing, but their name came up early
• 40:55
  Speaker 10: in the investigation, all the way back in two thousand
• 40:58
  Speaker 10: and seven. Whether ever did anything with that, we don't know.
• 41:02
  Speaker 10: So I think that they might be protecting holes from
• 41:06
  Speaker 10: the investigation things that they missed. I mean, there was
• 41:09
  Speaker 10: ten years in between the first and second attempted prosecution
• 41:14
  Speaker 10: of Epstein, and there's no telling what he did in
• 41:17
  Speaker 10: between those times. At this point, one point of worry
• 41:21
  Speaker 10: that they are protecting themselves from things they should have
• 41:25
  Speaker 10: done in the original investigation that were done. So unfortunately,
• 41:30
  Speaker 10: maybe what we're seeing maybe is the extent of the file,
• 41:35
  Speaker 10: and there should have been more there and there isn't.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, hold on just a moment.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: That's not true, because we were told at the beginning
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: about volume US videos from all of Epstein's homes and mansions,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: tens and tens of thousands of documents. We've interviewed the
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: civil attorney for at least nine of the little girl victims.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Who knows of corporate clients that Epstein serviced with these
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: little girls? I mean, there is so much there. I'm
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: very curious. Dr Bethany Marshall A why the cover up?
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: What could be so bad?
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess they think we're gonna forget about
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: it and just go away. But Doctor Bethany, doesn't this
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: trigger more feelings of helplessness amongst the little girl victims
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: now adults. That's one thing that victims have told me, universally,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: separated in time and space, that it wasn't just the
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: physical assault, it was the feeling of helplessness that just
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: would never go away.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: Nancy, it's the helplessness, the guilt, the shame. But there's
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: one other layer to this, Nancy, that is so profound
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: in my mind, those girls likely have been stoked by Gylan,
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: by Epstein in order to procure more sex over the years.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: And what tools do perpetrators use to stalk their victims.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: They use videos, they use photos, They use all that
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: material that they gathered while the victim was under their roof,
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: so they can say, hey, little girl, you're not going
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: to return my call, I'll release these videos to the public. So, Nancy,
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: name one pedophile, one pedophile that we've covered that has
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: not videotaped, audio, taped, taken pictures of them having sex
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: with their victims. Name one they're not. They hold onto
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: those videos to stalk the victims and for masturbatory content
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: so that they can relivet the crime. So you cannot
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: tell me that there is not a treasure trove of
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: data out there. So Dylan Maxwell's statements, it's just a
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: word salad, That is all it is. It means nothing.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: She says one thing, then she contradicts herself. I don't
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: even care about the log anymore. I want the photos,
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: I want the videos. I want all that masturbatory material
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: that they held on to and enjoyed for all those years,
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: so I can see the faces, not just the written
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: names on a plane log I want the faces and
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: the bodies with those girls. I want that the girl's
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: bodies were deacted out and those faces released to the
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: public so we can see for ourselves.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,