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Sharri | 26 February · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News This is.
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Speaker 2: Sharry Good Evening. Isis children front the cameras to try
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Speaker 2: convince Australians. This cohort is an extreme I'll discuss this
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Speaker 2: in just a moment. America and Israel on the verge
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Speaker 2: of war with Iran as the US deploys combat jets
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Speaker 2: for the first time ever. In an exclusive interview, former
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Speaker 2: Israeli Senior Minister Ron Dermer gives us inside information on
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Speaker 2: Iranian regime change and where Trump might strike. That's coming up,
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Speaker 2: plus why Albanese shouldn't have apologized for calling Grace Tame difficult.
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Speaker 2: Instead he should have gone even further.
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Speaker 3: She received quite rightly the Australier of the Year award.
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Speaker 2: This is the problem in our country. Our prime minister
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Speaker 2: can't all out hate. More on that later also tonight,
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Speaker 2: in breaking news, the chant all Zionists are terrorists has
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Speaker 2: been ruled illegal by a tribunal. Aaron Patrick will have
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Speaker 2: the latest, but first, the ISIS cohort, hoping to travel
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Speaker 2: back to Australia, has invited a friendly freelance journalist, Muhammed
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Speaker 2: has Son into the camp to do sympathetic interviews with
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Speaker 2: young children. This was designed to be a pr exercise,
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Speaker 2: pure and simple to try and convince Australians that this
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Speaker 2: group is just entirely innocent. Now, this freelancer Muhammed her
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Speaker 2: Son then gave this sob story from the ISIS children
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Speaker 2: to the Sydney Morning Herald and The Australian today. But
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Speaker 2: the camp manager didn't play ball with this publicity stunt.
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Speaker 2: She exposed the narrative as fraudulent by revealing that there
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Speaker 2: are two additional ISIS extremists among the group of Australians
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Speaker 2: held at the Roje camp.
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Speaker 4: This is.
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Speaker 2: Hello, Chakram.
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Speaker 5: How do.
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Speaker 6: Saton and.
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Speaker 2: The Australian put that on their front page today? Because
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Speaker 2: this is the entire point. Islamic State is one of
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Speaker 2: the most brutal death cults in modern history. It is decapitated,
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Speaker 2: Western journalists, beheaded officials, burnt victims alive. ISIS has thrown
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Speaker 2: people from buildings. They've conducted mass shootings, they destroyed ancient
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Speaker 2: sites and artifacts and committed terror attacks. They massacred Christian
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Speaker 2: Yazidis where they killed the men and sold the women
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Speaker 2: and girls into sexual slavery or forced them to convert
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Speaker 2: to Islam and marry ISIS fighters. And these horrors have
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Speaker 2: often been recorded on video, So when the Syrian camp
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Speaker 2: manager describes two women as extremists to Australian women, this
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Speaker 2: is what she's referring to. Yet the ISIS cohort and
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Speaker 2: their spin doctors want you to forget all of these
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Speaker 2: grotesque and bloodthirsty atrocities, and disgustingly, they put forward little
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Speaker 2: girls aged six to nine to act as spokespeople.
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Speaker 7: Do you think you come back to Australia, Yes, you
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Speaker 7: will be happy or sad?
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Speaker 6: Happy, of course, I'll never be set.
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Speaker 5: I never it be set.
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Speaker 2: How did you feel when you were leaving the camp.
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Speaker 6: I felt very happy and excited to meet my family
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Speaker 6: and I was very excited. But when we had to
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Speaker 6: turn back, I was very upset. I was heartbreaking. I
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Speaker 6: was crying. I told my mom, I don't want to
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Speaker 6: go back to the prison.
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Speaker 2: Now. These videos by Mohammed Hassan from inside the camps
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Speaker 2: were extremely sympathetic to the plight of these poor women
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Speaker 2: and children who are desperate to travel to Australia, But
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Speaker 2: the children of ISIS fighters were involved in the executions,
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Speaker 2: as you'll recall with Karla Charufe's twelve year old holding
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Speaker 2: up bloodied heads and more. Current American news reports from
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Speaker 2: out of similar Syrian camps have documented that a dangerous
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Speaker 2: ideology remains among some children. Many still swear allegiance to Isis.
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Speaker 1: This woman told us she's been locked up in the
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Speaker 1: dust for six years but still loves Isis. Syria is
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Speaker 1: a dangerous cocktail. Thirteen years of war made it a
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Speaker 1: breeding ground for terrorists.
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Speaker 2: That was CBS and NBC found the same thing.
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Speaker 8: The longer we stayed, the more aggressive the children became.
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Speaker 2: Here come the stones.
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Speaker 7: We're going to move to another area.
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Speaker 8: As we left, they made sure we got the message.
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Speaker 8: Reintegration has been a real problem. Most countries have refused
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Speaker 8: to take their people back, so the people here are
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Speaker 8: effectively stateless.
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Speaker 2: You're twenty nine now, yeah?
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Speaker 9: Is this forever for you?
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 5: This is a dog place without any She's a million
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Speaker 5: anny hope.
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Speaker 2: Yet today in the Australian media we saw something different.
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Speaker 2: Little girls were put forward to speak about Blui rather
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Speaker 2: than an adult answering serious questions about whether they still
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Speaker 2: support a caliphate. None of the women were asked whether
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Speaker 2: they support Australian laws, customs and values, or whether they
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Speaker 2: believe in Sharia.
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Speaker 9: Law.
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Speaker 2: And I also want to know what this group, including
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Speaker 2: the children, think of people from other religions, especially Jews.
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Speaker 2: Do they believe other religions non believers should be killed?
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Speaker 2: What about Westerners and journalists? Now, these aren't far fetched questions.
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Speaker 2: We don't need to hear from a six year old.
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Speaker 2: We need to hear from the adults. We need to
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Speaker 2: know whether they support ISIS and whether they'll bring this
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Speaker 2: ideology of extreme hate to our country. The camp manager,
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Speaker 2: as you heard, has said, two of the women are extremists.
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Speaker 2: So if these women are mothers, what are these mothers
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Speaker 2: teaching their children? What do we think their kids think
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Speaker 2: about non believers and Jews? And remember three of the
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Speaker 2: so called children are actually teenagers, and two of them
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Speaker 2: are male teenagers. Now, this issue is cutting through and
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister try to sound tough today.
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Speaker 3: Look where aware of national security issues. We don't run
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Speaker 3: those through the media. We've said that what we aren't
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Speaker 3: doing is providing repatriation of these people. We've said that
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Speaker 3: we have compassion for the children involved, but that others
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Speaker 3: who chose to travel to that area have made those
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Speaker 3: decisions in life, and that was a decision that was
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Speaker 3: certainly contrary to not just Australian advice, but contrary to
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Speaker 3: Australia's national interest.
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Speaker 2: But it's clear that the Albanezi government has been providing
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Speaker 2: assistance to this ISIS cohort the Australians amount of Hodge rights.
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Speaker 2: Whatever the peer may say in Parliament or to the
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Speaker 2: Australian people about this last group of ISIS brides, the
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Speaker 2: fact is his government has already officially signaled that the
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Speaker 2: women and children may return by issuing passports and allowing
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Speaker 2: them to be delivered to the Roge camp in what
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Speaker 2: would appear to be a rare bending of strict custody protocols.
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Speaker 2: If there are ISIS extremists among the group seeking to
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Speaker 2: fly to Australia, then we need to fight tooth and
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Speaker 2: nail to stop them from arriving on our shore, risking
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Speaker 2: our safety. That's what's most important, the safety of Australian
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Speaker 2: children who do not deserve to be killed because of
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Speaker 2: a dangerous ideology. And already a ten year old girl, Matilda,
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Speaker 2: has paid the ultimate price. She lost her life, gone
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Speaker 2: down by shooters who allegedly recorded videos beneath the banner
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Speaker 2: of the ISIS flag, the same flag that was displayed
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Speaker 2: in the windscreen of their car as they arrived at
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Speaker 2: Bondi to commit the deadly massacre. All right, let's bring
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Speaker 2: in tonight's panel to discuss this further. National Senator Matt
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Speaker 2: Canavan and former Labor State Secretary Cameron Milner. Good to
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Speaker 2: see you both. So we now know, as I've just
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Speaker 2: been saying, that there are two new additional Australian brides
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Speaker 2: women being held separate from the original eleven women and
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Speaker 2: twenty three children. These two are deemed extremists by the
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Speaker 2: camp manager, although as I've repeatedly pointed out, Australian authorities
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Speaker 2: haven't had access to this group since twenty twenty two. Now, Matt,
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Speaker 2: surely this is another cause for concern. Why these people
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Speaker 2: shouldn't be rushed home before our authorities have even been
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Speaker 2: able to interview them.
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Speaker 9: Well, you're spot on here, Shari.
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Speaker 10: I mean, we now in a situation where something like
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Speaker 10: ten percent of this group one in ten, deemed to
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Speaker 10: be a security risk. And as you say, we don't
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Speaker 10: know at all who these people really are or what
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Speaker 10: they think, what they've been through. Now Australian officials have
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Speaker 10: been able to assess that, So to me, when you've
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Speaker 10: got a group of people where one in ten could
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Speaker 10: be a serious risk to the safety of Australians, and
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Speaker 10: all those people have had similar experiences in recent years,
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Speaker 10: all those people have gone and left Australia and associated
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Speaker 10: with a or probably the worst terrorist group in the world. Well,
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Speaker 10: they're just too big of a risk to the safety
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Speaker 10: of Australians and they should not come back to this
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Speaker 10: country because that should be paramount. And I was here
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Speaker 10: having a few drinks with some people at this great
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Speaker 10: establishment here in Bunderberg three eight for North Brewing, and
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Speaker 10: everyone thinks the same here. Everyone thinks, why are we're
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Speaker 10: taking these people back to the country. And clearly we
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Speaker 10: have the government now that has its ears closed to
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Speaker 10: the views of the israil people and has its eyes
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Speaker 10: closed seemingly to the risks that these isis brides pose
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Speaker 10: to the safety of Australians.
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Speaker 2: Cameron, the problem is as well that we actually can't
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Speaker 2: trust what we're hearing from the Albanese government because they've
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Speaker 2: missled Australians about this from the very start. What do
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Speaker 2: you think, Well.
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Speaker 11: That's right, Charie, I think you know, can't we learn
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Speaker 11: the lessons of Bondai massacre. I mean, you know, the
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Speaker 11: alleged ISIS connection, there should be enough to send these
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Speaker 11: people back to Siciria and keep them there forever, quite frankly,
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Speaker 11: but no, we have a government that's rolling out the
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Speaker 11: red carpet. Why because Tony Burke's chief Muslim vote whisperers
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Speaker 11: over there with the passports. Because he wrote before the election,
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Speaker 11: if you vote for Tony Burke, will get.
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Speaker 12: The brides back.
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Speaker 11: So votes for brides was a Tony Burke equation and
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Speaker 11: the government's up to its eyeballs in this Sharhi. But
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Speaker 11: even after the massacre, even after the massacre, they're still
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Speaker 11: allowing the passports to be given to huge secure risks.
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Speaker 11: And I'm over the propaganda about the children. These children
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Speaker 11: are bred to be ISIS fighters by those very Isis brides,
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Speaker 11: and there are huge security risks, and quite frankly, they
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Speaker 11: should stay in Roge until we actually know everything about them,
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Speaker 11: and I suspect that'll mean they'll stay there forever.
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Speaker 2: I mean, if a friendly freelance journalist, this Muhammad Hassan
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Speaker 2: can get access to the camp and then provide these
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Speaker 2: sympathetic videos to two newspapers in Australia, then surely our agencies,
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Speaker 2: our police, our authorities can also get access to the
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Speaker 2: camp and do a proper assessment of this group, and
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Speaker 2: that's what needs to happen, isn't it.
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Speaker 12: Matt Well.
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Speaker 10: I think the government here Shari is certainly taking a
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Speaker 10: see no evil, here no evil approach. I wish they
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Speaker 10: are also doing no evil, but I'm not sure they're
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Speaker 10: whether they really are acting in the interests of the
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Speaker 10: Australian people. I think the reason we're not seeing Australian
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Speaker 10: officials there is the government does not want to know
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Speaker 10: that they want this to happen, or wants it to
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Speaker 10: happen without any scrutiny, without any transparency the Australian people.
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Speaker 10: You can see that now when suddenly people have wised
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Speaker 10: up and they're asking questions of Anthiingo but EASi of
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Speaker 10: the state premiers here involved. They're treating Australians with complete contempt,
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Speaker 10: saying you do not deserve Justindra Allen, the Labour leader
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Speaker 10: of Victoria, the other day said, you know, we don't
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Speaker 10: have to tell you the details of these people, who,
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Speaker 10: how they're coming back here, what arrangements we have to
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Speaker 10: protect the safety of Australians well, actually, I think the
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Speaker 10: Australian people too deserve to know apps what this government
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Speaker 10: intends to do to keep Australians safe, and a basic
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Speaker 10: basic requirement of a democratic government in this country should
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Speaker 10: be to be to be transparent about these issues.
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Speaker 2: Let's turn to Iran now, because this is making global headlines.
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Speaker 2: So families and diplomats of officials in Israel and Lebanon
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Speaker 2: have been directed to lead the threat of US military
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Speaker 2: action on Iran is increasing. Travelers have also been advised
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Speaker 2: not to go to the region and to exercise a
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Speaker 2: high degree of caution for countries like Jordan, Qatar and
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Speaker 2: the United Arab Emirates. This is the third round of
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Speaker 2: Geneva talks is starting, So Cameron, it does seem like
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Speaker 2: US action on Iran is now imminent. We've also heard
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Speaker 2: some comments that I'll play a bit later from jd
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Speaker 2: Vance today.
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Speaker 9: Well, that's right. Look, it should be precautionary that we should.
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Speaker 11: Get our non essential people out, our families, the children
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Speaker 11: of diplomats are like but the time for talk may
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Speaker 11: well be over. I mean, Iran has had every chance
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Speaker 11: to denuclearize, but if they can't, enforce is the only
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Speaker 11: option available And Thank goodness that Donald Trump showed he
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Speaker 11: could do that last time, and if he's got to
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Speaker 11: do it again, let's make sure he does it properly.
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Speaker 2: Matt, what are you expecting here? I mean the Trump administration,
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Speaker 2: both the President and also JD. Vance today have made
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Speaker 2: clear they want deployments here as a first option. But
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Speaker 2: we're seeing, and we've seen it for a while hour
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Speaker 2: this continued heavy build up of US military infrastructure in
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Speaker 2: the region.
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Speaker 10: Well, look, obviously Australia here is not being asked or
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Speaker 10: looks like it will get involved, and I certainly wouldn't
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Speaker 10: support US doing so, but we obviously have an interest
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Speaker 10: in what's happening with the United States, and they're involved
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Speaker 10: in different parts of the world. Look, I don't see
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Speaker 10: a case has been made here to attack Iran. I
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Speaker 10: feel like twenty years ago we were conned into a
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Speaker 10: war in Iraq, and the case there was at least
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Speaker 10: made that went to the United Nations and told us
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Speaker 10: the were weapons of mass destructions that all ended up
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Speaker 10: being lies, but at least it was a case. I'm
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Speaker 10: not exactly sure what the case here for military action is.
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Speaker 10: It's a very very serious thing to do.
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Speaker 12: They can be very very serious.
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Speaker 10: And perverse ramifications from taking an action as I saw
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Speaker 10: in Iraq. And I really hope we don't end up
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Speaker 10: in another Middle East coogmire. Haven't we learned the lessons
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Speaker 10: has last twenty or thirty years. How badly that can
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Speaker 10: turn out?
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Speaker 2: Cameron, you want to jump in here.
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Speaker 9: Oh, Matt, you've got your head in the said, mate,
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Speaker 9: head in the said.
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Speaker 11: I mean Iran is a terrorist states mass No, no, no, sorry,
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Speaker 11: you had your say.
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Speaker 9: For goodness sake.
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Speaker 11: These guys have centrifuges where they've got nuclear you know,
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Speaker 11: in Richmond going on. These people have already said in
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Speaker 11: the world away if they get a nuclear.
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Speaker 10: Well, well it's the same thing they sold about the
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Speaker 10: seventy cent.
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Speaker 11: Listen, listen, listen to Kahmane, Listen to the I Teller,
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Speaker 11: Listen to the Mullers who want a nuke people and
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Speaker 11: New Israel. No, if they've got nuclear weapons, the world's
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Speaker 11: a very very dangerous place, Matt, and we go to
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Speaker 11: shut them down and shut them off before.
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Speaker 10: They get them even JD that this is all the
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Speaker 10: stuff I heard, Cameron, This is all the stuff I
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Speaker 10: heard in the two thousands, right, every same argument was
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Speaker 10: made about Saddami saying, and look how that's turned out,
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Speaker 10: Man safe, we spent more brillions of dollars, We've had
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Speaker 10: thousands of people die. Why would we do that again?
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Speaker 10: I mean, why would we make the same mistakes.
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Speaker 2: We've just made twenty years of difference centrifugures. The difference
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Speaker 2: now is that.
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Speaker 10: I think we've been less safe from the war and terror,
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Speaker 10: much less safe because of what the mistakes that were
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Speaker 10: made in the Middle East. And it looks like maybe
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Speaker 10: we'll make them again.
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Speaker 9: They toll will be very happy with you, Matt Tonight.
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Speaker 2: I was going to say, I think the difference.
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Speaker 10: My primary concern is not Mawatoler. It's the safety of Australians.
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Speaker 10: Going back to the Ice Strides. It's the safety of
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Speaker 10: our country that's my main focus. And our country was
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Speaker 10: made less safe. We made a massive mistake being involved
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Speaker 10: in the Iraq war and we should learn from that.
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Speaker 2: There's no suggestion Australia would get involved in this, as
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Speaker 2: you said, but Trump keeps saying to the Iranian regime,
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Speaker 2: commit to giving up your nuclear ambitions, and they just
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Speaker 2: won't do that. These these diplomatic talks have been the
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Speaker 2: negotiations have been ongoing for a long time now, and
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Speaker 2: it's right that the Trump administration can't simply trust Iran.
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Speaker 2: But even if they could, they they're not even verbally
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Speaker 2: willing to give up their ambitions for a nuclear weapon. JD.
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Speaker 2: Vans his inclination is to have a diplomatic route. He
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Speaker 2: doesn't want was But even he said on Fox News today,
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Speaker 2: you can't let the craziest regime in the world get
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Speaker 2: a nuclear bomb. And if that is what it's.
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Speaker 10: Looking like, North Korea is probably giving a race for
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Speaker 10: their money. We let them get nuclear weapons. I mean,
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Speaker 10: why why aren't we? Why are we invading North Korea?
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Speaker 10: They're much close to us, must bigger is to our country.
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Speaker 10: Why don't we invade them?
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to come back to this topic a
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Speaker 2: bit later because I've done an exclusive interview with Ron Dermer,
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Speaker 2: who is the outgoing strategic Affairs Minister in Israeli, and
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Speaker 2: so he knows a lot about this. He's been involved
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Speaker 2: in the conversations he I ask him, you know who.
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Speaker 2: He talks about what he thinks the strikes will be
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Speaker 2: like this time, and about regime regime change and why
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Speaker 2: in his view it is important. I'm going to come
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Speaker 2: back to that a bit later. All right, what about
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Speaker 2: this from the Special Minister of State Don Farrell. He
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Speaker 2: has said, this is a story in the Cydney Morning
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Speaker 2: Herald today that he wants to expand parliament more than
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Speaker 2: forty new politicians. So Labour wants to add up to
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Speaker 2: fourteen seats to the Senate, twenty eight in the House
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Speaker 2: of Representatives. Now, I mean, Cameron, surely the last thing
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Speaker 2: we need is more politicians. But why do you think
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Speaker 2: Cameron the Albanese government wants this.
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Speaker 9: Well, I think it's electoral reform. Quite frankly. I mean
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Speaker 9: we have got electrics which are really really large.
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Speaker 11: And Matt's from regional Queensland and knows how hard is
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Speaker 11: a senator to get around. But you know, you know,
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Speaker 11: Michell lundry In, a member of Kapri Coornia, has travel
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Speaker 11: hours and hours to get across her electorate. So no,
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Speaker 11: electrics are huge in Australia, especially in regional Australia. And
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Speaker 11: I think the more members who can represent their members
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Speaker 11: well and their electrics well in parliament's a good thing.
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Speaker 11: I mean Queensland Parlament expanded, and he said Welst Palm's
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Speaker 11: expanded the federal Parliament hasn't since Bob Hawk, so almost
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Speaker 11: forty years.
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Speaker 9: So look, maybe not as many.
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Speaker 11: But certainly the case is there for better representation, especially
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Speaker 11: for regional Australians.
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Speaker 2: But isn't this proposal that the proposal as I read
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Speaker 2: it in the Herald is the focus will be on
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Speaker 2: the city so Matt doesn't this primarily benefit labor So
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Speaker 2: they can have because they have more of the vote
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Speaker 2: at the moment anyway in the city regions.
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Speaker 10: Well, the seats will be proportionate to the population.
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Speaker 12: That is true, but.
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Speaker 10: I don't see this as being the pressing issue for
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Speaker 10: our country. We've got the highest inflation, the highest interest
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Speaker 10: rates in the developed world. Our economy is going backwards. Clearly,
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Speaker 10: we have a government that's got out of control, spending
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Speaker 10: at electricity.
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Speaker 12: Prices through the roof.
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Speaker 10: Why would we be devoting so much attention to increasing
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Speaker 10: the size of the parliament. I don't understand it. The
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Speaker 10: other thing that we should be more cautious about. I
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Speaker 10: take Cameron's point about the size of electrics. That is
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Speaker 10: an issue in regional parts of our country, but unfortunately
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Speaker 10: our constitution requires that the Senate increase as well. When
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Speaker 10: we increase the House of Reps. So the consequence of
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Speaker 10: increasing the senator two fourteen or more senators will be
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Speaker 10: that fewer votes are needed to become a senator, which
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Speaker 10: will means we'll probably get crazier senators. And you know,
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Speaker 10: I feel like I'm good friends with Lydia Thorpe. I
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Speaker 10: like her as a person, but I just don't know
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Speaker 10: whether she's got enough votes to be in the Australian Senate.
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Speaker 10: And that's my concern that lowering that quota is going
21:22
Speaker 10: to make for more crazy people, more craziness in our
21:24
Speaker 10: Australian Senate. It's very, very important because nothing happens without
21:27
Speaker 10: stuff going through the Senate. I would if this Albaneze
21:30
Speaker 10: government was serious about this, they would sit down with
21:32
Speaker 10: the Liberal and National Party, sit down properly with Istralian
21:35
Speaker 10: people and discuss proper electoral reform, which might mean, Heysea,
21:39
Speaker 10: why does North queens And only have three senators? If
21:41
Speaker 10: you're so concerned about electric size as Cameron, why does
21:44
Speaker 10: North queens And only have three senators and Tasmania gets
21:46
Speaker 10: twelve when there are a million people in North queens
21:49
Speaker 10: Then double the size of the Tasmanian population and we
21:51
Speaker 10: are much less representative, so why don't we deal with
21:53
Speaker 10: those issues as well? But no, instead, this is a
21:56
Speaker 10: Jerrymanda that the Labour Party's pushing through.
22:00
Speaker 9: Jerrymader.
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Speaker 11: It's the Constitution, for goodness sake, mate, I mean, it's
22:03
Speaker 11: the constitution. Every state has twelve senators at the moment,
22:06
Speaker 11: or fourteen if that's the proposal, equals.
22:08
Speaker 9: Safe for every state. But we caught the founding fathers.
22:11
Speaker 10: I could elect them on the rot, we could elect
22:12
Speaker 10: them on a regional basis.
22:13
Speaker 2: The last thing we need is more politicians with all
22:18
Speaker 2: their travel perks, all their travel around the country, spending
22:23
Speaker 2: taxpayer dollars. I mean, we need fewer politicians in my view,
22:27
Speaker 2: not more. Apart from you, Matt Canavan, if they were
22:30
Speaker 2: more like you, I won't hold it against you that
22:33
Speaker 2: you just said you like Lydia Thorp. Let that one
22:36
Speaker 2: go to the keeper, right, And.
22:40
Speaker 10: I'm friends.
22:40
Speaker 2: I'm friends with everybody, all right, Matt Canavan. But Carara
22:44
Speaker 2: Mian are great to see you. Thank you now. This morning,
22:48
Speaker 2: the Anti Semitism Royal Commission of Virginia Bell visited the
22:51
Speaker 2: Bondai massacre site and met with some survivors and the
22:55
Speaker 2: families of victims, but it was merely symbolic. Because her
23:00
Speaker 2: inquiry won't hear directly from these families or witnesses.
23:06
Speaker 13: This commission mus do its work without risking any prejudice
23:11
Speaker 13: to that criminal proceeding. Leading evidence of this commission from
23:18
Speaker 13: people who may be witnesses in the criminal proceeding won't
23:23
Speaker 13: create that risk, and for that reason it.
23:26
Speaker 3: Will not occur.
23:29
Speaker 2: Now, the point I'll say in response to that is
23:31
Speaker 2: that we managed to produce a ninety minute documentary this
23:36
Speaker 2: week hearing testimony from witnesses and survivors. It was heavily legaled.
23:42
Speaker 2: It's not going to have any impact in the court case.
23:44
Speaker 2: The testimony can be hurt and it should be hurt.
23:49
Speaker 2: With joining me now to discuss this is shadow communications,
23:52
Speaker 2: Minister Sarah Henderson. Sarah, I mean, how can the inquiry
23:57
Speaker 2: into the terror attack shut out the voice of the
24:00
Speaker 2: victims when, as I just said, that testimony can go
24:05
Speaker 2: through a legal process.
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Speaker 14: We'll Sharry good evening. I understand the principle of not
24:12
Speaker 14: prejudicing a criminal trial. So the Commissioner has made a
24:18
Speaker 14: very important point, but I am surprised and I'm not
24:21
Speaker 14: going to step into the shoes of the Commissioner and
24:23
Speaker 14: pretend that I know more about the legal matters than
24:26
Speaker 14: she is confronting. But I am surprised because I would
24:29
Speaker 14: have thought that if there is open evidence which may
24:32
Speaker 14: prejudice a criminal trial, there might be an option for
24:36
Speaker 14: her to take that evidence in camera, or there might
24:40
Speaker 14: be matters that the victims families or survivors may wish
24:45
Speaker 14: to raise which don't go directly to the matters being
24:49
Speaker 14: heard by the criminal court. So it is surprising, and
24:55
Speaker 14: I hope that there might be an opportunity for commissioners
25:00
Speaker 14: to perhaps review her position and to consider ways that
25:04
Speaker 14: the voices of the victims' families and the survivors can
25:07
Speaker 14: be heard.
25:09
Speaker 2: Someone said to me, we should just submit our entire
25:11
Speaker 2: documentary because you had Matilda's parents saying that the two
25:15
Speaker 2: years of antisemitism. I mean, you'll heard it this week
25:19
Speaker 2: Matilda's father say the two years of antisemitism the Albanezy
25:23
Speaker 2: government he feels is directly responsible for what happened at
25:26
Speaker 2: BONDI I mean, this is crucial evidence for the Royal
25:29
Speaker 2: Commissioner to hear that. You know, the moment, none of
25:33
Speaker 2: that will will be examined in the Royal Commission. Now
25:37
Speaker 2: just moving on to another topic, Sarah, there's been new
25:40
Speaker 2: figures today in the Australian. They've exposed the agenda wage
25:43
Speaker 2: gap at the public broadcaster. At the ABC, it's said
25:47
Speaker 2: that men now earn more than ten percent higher than
25:52
Speaker 2: their female colleagues. So, Sarah, how does the ABC compare
25:56
Speaker 2: to other companies when it comes to the wage gap?
26:03
Speaker 14: Orshari, the ABC is well outside the target range of
26:06
Speaker 14: plus or minus five percent, and so I have asked
26:09
Speaker 14: the question why are men paid so much more than
26:13
Speaker 14: women at the ABC. I think the AABC does need
26:16
Speaker 14: to provide a full explanation. But this goes to transparency
26:21
Speaker 14: and for a number of years I have been calling
26:24
Speaker 14: on the ABC to be transparent about people who are
26:27
Speaker 14: paid at a high level at the ABC. There's a
26:30
Speaker 14: very significant transparency scheme run by the BBC was put
26:35
Speaker 14: in place in twenty twenty one and every reporter or
26:39
Speaker 14: content maker over a particular threshold is required to disclose
26:44
Speaker 14: their salary band, any other gifts they receive, any other
26:47
Speaker 14: benefits that they receive, and so the people of the
26:51
Speaker 14: UK can have proper trust in the transparency of the
26:56
Speaker 14: BBC journalists. We don't have a similar scheme in a Australia.
27:00
Speaker 14: I've prosecuted the case for a very long time and
27:03
Speaker 14: I would like to see much more transparency in that respect, Sherry,
27:07
Speaker 14: because let's not forget the ABC receives more than one
27:12
Speaker 14: point two billion dollars of taxpayer funds every single year,
27:16
Speaker 14: and I think it is incumbent on our national broadcaster
27:19
Speaker 14: to be as transparent as it possibly can be. But
27:23
Speaker 14: of course, when it comes to these issues, we never
27:26
Speaker 14: see the government taking a stand a fighting for the
27:29
Speaker 14: Australian taxpayer, and that is very disappointing.
27:35
Speaker 2: You remember there was the Optus outage in September last
27:38
Speaker 2: year where triple zero. There was a triple zero outage.
27:42
Speaker 2: It was absolutely catastrophic. Well, Today's said an inquiry heard
27:46
Speaker 2: extraordinary evidence about this. The Independent investigator called it a
27:51
Speaker 2: culture of carelessness.
27:54
Speaker 15: Speaking about this culture of carelessness, would you say in
28:00
Speaker 15: fact that that means there is a deeply concerning culture
28:04
Speaker 15: of negligence, Given that we are talking about issues of
28:07
Speaker 15: life and death.
28:08
Speaker 4: It is deeply concerning and it was steeply concerning. Yes,
28:13
Speaker 4: Optus is trying to work it out and is certainly
28:18
Speaker 4: trying to do the right thing. And correct these problems.
28:22
Speaker 4: It's a cultural issue which will take some time. It's
28:27
Speaker 4: a culture that I can understand how it crept up
28:30
Speaker 4: and happened, but it is unforgivable and must be fixed.
28:39
Speaker 2: So Sarah, just quickly, what do you think was the
28:43
Speaker 2: heart of the problem here?
28:47
Speaker 14: Bullshari I initiated the sended inquiry into the Optus outage
28:51
Speaker 14: and as we know, at least two people died catastrophically
28:56
Speaker 14: last September because the government was simply not doing what
29:00
Speaker 14: it should be doing and ensuring that Optus and other
29:04
Speaker 14: telcos are properly held to account, but also the regulator,
29:08
Speaker 14: and I think we've also seen damning evidence where the
29:12
Speaker 14: government has not managed issues like the three G shutdown.
29:16
Speaker 14: We know, of course many devices could not connect to
29:20
Speaker 14: Triple zero as a result of that shutdown, so there
29:23
Speaker 14: is a real mess with our Triple zero system. Australians
29:28
Speaker 14: need to know that in times of emergency, Sharry, they
29:31
Speaker 14: can call Triple zero and get the help they need,
29:36
Speaker 14: and of course, in many cases last September with Optus customers,
29:40
Speaker 14: they couldn't do that. The results were catastrophic and Optus
29:44
Speaker 14: has conceded today and they do agree they have really
29:48
Speaker 14: deeply embedded cultural issues. Many things went wrong. We even
29:52
Speaker 14: heard today Shari there were processes in place that Optus
29:57
Speaker 14: executives and Optus divisions were simply not following. There was
30:02
Speaker 14: a forty page risk management or crisis management manual that
30:07
Speaker 14: no one could even follow because it was so complex.
30:10
Speaker 14: So Optus has got a lot of hard work to do,
30:12
Speaker 14: but frankly so has the government in terms of putting
30:16
Speaker 14: in place the regulatory framework. We need to know that
30:20
Speaker 14: Australians can dial Chriple zero in their times of need.
30:24
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely crucial and the most basic requirement really of Attelco.
30:30
Speaker 2: All right, Sarah Henderson, thank you for your time and
30:33
Speaker 2: still to calm Albanezie apologizes for calling Grace Team difficult
30:37
Speaker 2: when he should have gone much harder. And my exclusive
30:41
Speaker 2: interview without going Israeli Strategic Affairs Minister Ron Dermer, who
30:45
Speaker 2: shares what he knows about the imminent strikes on Iran.
30:49
Speaker 2: That's after this. Well, America and Israel are on the
30:56
Speaker 2: verge of war with Iran. The US government has and
31:00
Speaker 2: a dozen fighter jets to Israel, while Australian diplomats are
31:04
Speaker 2: being evacuated from the region. American Vice President JD. Vance
31:08
Speaker 2: today said the craziest and worst regime in the world
31:12
Speaker 2: can't have a nuclear weapon.
31:15
Speaker 16: But the principles very simple. Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon.
31:19
Speaker 16: If they try to rebuild the nuclear weapon, that causes
31:22
Speaker 16: problems for US, and in fact, we've seen evidence that
31:24
Speaker 16: they have tried.
31:24
Speaker 12: To do exactly that.
31:26
Speaker 16: So the President sending those negotiators to try to address
31:29
Speaker 16: that problem. As the President has said repeatedly, he wants
31:32
Speaker 16: to address that problem diplomatically, but of course the President
31:35
Speaker 16: has other options as well.
31:37
Speaker 2: I spoke about the looming war and Iranian regime change
31:41
Speaker 2: in an exclusive interview with recently retired Israeli Strategic Affairs
31:46
Speaker 2: Minister rondermer Ron. Drmer thank you very much for your
31:50
Speaker 2: time and welcome to Australia.
31:52
Speaker 12: Good to be with you.
31:53
Speaker 2: Show Now, the United States is building up its military
31:56
Speaker 2: arsenal in the region around Iran in the event President
32:00
Speaker 2: Trump does choose to strike. Are you expecting military action
32:04
Speaker 2: from the US is imminent?
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Speaker 17: Well, it's a decision that the President's obviously going to
32:09
Speaker 17: have to make. But he can make this decision now
32:12
Speaker 17: because exactly as you said, he's put a lot of
32:14
Speaker 17: military resources into the area. About a month ago, a
32:17
Speaker 17: month and a half ago, when the Iranian people were
32:19
Speaker 17: protesting in mass and they were killed in mass by
32:23
Speaker 17: their regime, the President of the United States encouraged them
32:27
Speaker 17: to go out to continue to protest, basically saying America
32:31
Speaker 17: has your back.
32:31
Speaker 12: Help is on the way. And since that, over the
32:33
Speaker 12: last several.
32:34
Speaker 17: Weeks, America has been building up its military power in
32:37
Speaker 17: the region and it has the ability to act I think,
32:41
Speaker 17: broadly against the Iran But the President, as he usually tries
32:44
Speaker 17: to do, is thinking, maybe I can actually achieve my
32:48
Speaker 17: goals through diplomacy, and he sent his team of Steve
32:51
Speaker 17: Whitcoff and Jared Kushner to meet with the Iranians and
32:55
Speaker 17: basically to say to them, look, we can either do
32:57
Speaker 17: this the easy way or the hard way. We prefer
32:59
Speaker 17: the easy way without military action. And here's what the
33:01
Speaker 17: President's positions are. And I believe that the positions of
33:06
Speaker 17: the United States are to remove completely Iran's military nuclear capability,
33:10
Speaker 17: get rid of the enriched material that they still have,
33:14
Speaker 17: make sure that they don't have any enrichment capability. They
33:16
Speaker 17: could create a thread in the future, and hopefully they
33:19
Speaker 17: will also deal with the ballistic missiles of Iran, and
33:22
Speaker 17: if not, I think there'll be serious consequences. And President
33:25
Speaker 17: Trump is a man whose word should be taken very seriously.
33:29
Speaker 2: You mentioned there the Special Envoy Steve Wickcoff and his comments.
33:32
Speaker 2: In fact, just a few days ago he said that
33:34
Speaker 2: Iran is a week away, just one week away from
33:38
Speaker 2: developing nuclear bomb making material. As you mentioned uranium enrichment.
33:44
Speaker 2: Does your assessment align with this? And why does Iran
33:48
Speaker 2: still have nuclear material even after the strikes by the
33:52
Speaker 2: US in Israel last year?
33:54
Speaker 17: So I think what Steve meant by that is that
33:57
Speaker 17: Iran is left with a lot of highly enriched uranium.
34:01
Speaker 17: You know, missile military grade nuclear material is ninety percent
34:07
Speaker 17: enrich uranium.
34:08
Speaker 12: You started three and a half.
34:09
Speaker 17: Percent, and then you can move to twenty percent, and
34:11
Speaker 17: then sixty percent, and then finally you get to ninety percent. Well,
34:14
Speaker 17: they have a lot of sixty percent enrich uranium. And
34:17
Speaker 17: I think what Steve was saying is if you did
34:19
Speaker 17: have an enrichment facility, and if you did have enough centrifuges,
34:22
Speaker 17: you could take the sixty percent in enrich uranium that
34:24
Speaker 17: they have buried underground. And there are two sites, by
34:28
Speaker 17: the way, and they could do it within a very
34:30
Speaker 17: short amount of time, a matter of days, that's what
34:32
Speaker 17: he was saying.
34:32
Speaker 12: But the enrichment facilities were destroyed.
34:35
Speaker 17: Fourdeaux was destroyed by the American B two bombing. Israel
34:39
Speaker 17: Hitnatons that enrichment facility, and then the United States bombed
34:43
Speaker 17: that as well another enrichment facility. The apertures leading to
34:47
Speaker 17: the outside were closed off by an American cruise missile strike,
34:50
Speaker 17: and Israel also took action, as you recall, against centrifuge
34:53
Speaker 17: making capability, against the conversion facility that we destroyed, without
34:57
Speaker 17: which you can't build a nuclear weapon, and also against
35:00
Speaker 17: the top scientists in Iran who were working on the
35:03
Speaker 17: Iranian equivalent of the Manhattan Project. So I don't think
35:07
Speaker 17: Steve meant to say that Iran can move towards a
35:10
Speaker 17: nuclear weapon in a week. It means that they have
35:12
Speaker 17: an enriched material that can become military grade within a
35:17
Speaker 17: matter of days. And that's why one of the things
35:18
Speaker 17: that would have to be resolved through any negotiating process
35:22
Speaker 17: is the four hundred plus kilos of highly enriched uranium
35:26
Speaker 17: would have to be removed from Iran and diluted ron.
35:28
Speaker 2: Do you anticipate the current Iranian regime could collapse as
35:32
Speaker 2: part of this military action if Trump does choose to
35:37
Speaker 2: take that course of action.
35:39
Speaker 17: For sure, Iran is very vulnerable today, much more vulnerable
35:42
Speaker 17: than it's ever been. But I assume that if the
35:45
Speaker 17: United States makes a decision to move forward with military action,
35:49
Speaker 17: my understanding is that it would be or my assumption
35:52
Speaker 17: is it would be be very broad based. It wouldn't
35:54
Speaker 17: be a precise attack like they did against specific enrichment facilities,
35:58
Speaker 17: but much greater action against the Iranian regime. And here
36:02
Speaker 17: it would expose the main vulnerability of Iran. The main
36:05
Speaker 17: vulnerability of Iran is that it's people hated. The Iranian
36:08
Speaker 17: people are not an enemy of the United States, of Israel,
36:11
Speaker 17: or Australia. It's the Iranian regime that is an enemy
36:14
Speaker 17: of all three of us. And it was good to
36:17
Speaker 17: learn that the Australian government had kicked out the Iranian
36:20
Speaker 17: ambassador here who apparently was trying to foment and to
36:23
Speaker 17: support attacks against the Jewish community and others in Australia.
36:28
Speaker 12: But the Iranian people are a friend of all of us.
36:30
Speaker 17: They I think are going to turn the corner completely
36:33
Speaker 17: against the regime. They're going to be a partner of
36:35
Speaker 17: the United States, They're going to be a partner of
36:37
Speaker 17: the state of Israel. They've come out in the streets
36:40
Speaker 17: over many, many years, and they've gotten no support from
36:42
Speaker 17: the outside world. But when the President says something, he
36:45
Speaker 17: usually means it, and so now he's put himself in
36:48
Speaker 17: a position to act, and I think if he does act,
36:51
Speaker 17: it wouldn't surprise me that the Iranian people that their
36:54
Speaker 17: protests against this regime would ultimately succeed.
36:57
Speaker 12: I mean, I do believe Shari.
36:59
Speaker 17: I believe that the Ranian regime is headed for the
37:01
Speaker 17: dustbin of history, and the sooner the better.
37:03
Speaker 2: You're in a unique position in that you worked closely
37:06
Speaker 2: with three United States presidents I believe, Obama, Biden, and Trump.
37:11
Speaker 2: Can you share some reflections or anecdotes and your relationship
37:15
Speaker 2: with the presidents and what it was like working with them.
37:18
Speaker 17: Well, look, first of all, we were able to achieve
37:21
Speaker 17: things with all.
37:22
Speaker 12: Of those presidents.
37:23
Speaker 17: And yes, we had more differences with the Obama administration
37:27
Speaker 17: than frankly then we had with the Biden administration. We
37:29
Speaker 17: had more differences with the Biden administration than we had
37:32
Speaker 17: with the Trump administration, and largely that.
37:35
Speaker 12: Was because of the policy regarding Iran.
37:38
Speaker 17: We were really on the same page with the Trump
37:40
Speaker 17: administration during its first term in office, and I think
37:43
Speaker 17: we're on Israel's on the same page with the Trump
37:45
Speaker 17: administration today. With Obama, he was completely moving in a
37:49
Speaker 17: different direction, and it forced the Prime Minister of Israel
37:52
Speaker 17: to actually go to Congress if you remember that speech
37:54
Speaker 17: in twenty fifteen, and oppose the nuclear deal with Iran.
37:57
Speaker 17: He was the only leader in the entire world who
38:00
Speaker 17: publicly opposed that deal, but it was a matter of
38:03
Speaker 17: life and death for the State of Israel. So I
38:05
Speaker 17: think dealing with an administration in Washington when you're lined
38:08
Speaker 17: up on the major foreign policy priority that you have,
38:11
Speaker 17: which is a national security issue and frankly an existential
38:14
Speaker 17: issue for US, makes working with them so much.
38:16
Speaker 12: Easier on the issue of the Palestinian file.
38:19
Speaker 17: Also, we were much closer to the Trump administration and
38:22
Speaker 17: through his now five years plus at his presidency. Then
38:25
Speaker 17: we were with either Obama or President Biden, who many
38:29
Speaker 17: times often put the burden on Israel to prove that
38:32
Speaker 17: it wants to wants to reach peace. Of course, we
38:35
Speaker 17: want peace, and frankly, the Palestinian people are being educated
38:38
Speaker 17: to hate Israel. But if six year old Palestinians are
38:41
Speaker 17: learning to hate Jews in their schools and ten year
38:44
Speaker 17: old Palestinians are learning to hate Jews when they watch television,
38:47
Speaker 17: and fifteen year old Palestinians glorify the murderers of Jews,
38:50
Speaker 17: you're not going to be able to have peace.
38:52
Speaker 2: Well, just on that point about the indoctrination of Palestinians
38:56
Speaker 2: to hate not just Israelis, but Jews. Do you think
38:59
Speaker 2: it is therefore a good idea for the Albanesi government
39:03
Speaker 2: to take in nearly three thousand Garzens? And what do
39:07
Speaker 2: you think about how the Albanese government has handled the
39:10
Speaker 2: antisemitism crisis over the past two years and its culpability
39:15
Speaker 2: in the massacre at Bondi.
39:18
Speaker 17: So regarding Gazans, I actually don't know enough about the issue.
39:21
Speaker 17: And there were many countries who took in wounded children,
39:24
Speaker 17: and so I hopefully there was some vetting process that
39:27
Speaker 17: the Australian government had so that they're not going to
39:30
Speaker 17: bring people from Gaza into communities here to foment antisemitism.
39:35
Speaker 17: So I really don't know enough to speak about it.
39:37
Speaker 12: I hope there was a serious vetting process.
39:39
Speaker 17: What I will tell you that my biggest disappointment beyond
39:42
Speaker 17: this with antisemitism was the decision of the Australian government
39:45
Speaker 17: to recognize a Palestinian state, which they did in September.
39:49
Speaker 17: And there may have been a lot of people with
39:51
Speaker 17: good intentions who thought that in doing so they're bringing
39:55
Speaker 17: peace closer.
39:56
Speaker 12: They're not.
39:57
Speaker 17: They're not, in fact, I believe, and I said it
40:00
Speaker 17: at the time, the Prime Minister said it at the time,
40:02
Speaker 17: and I think most Israelis feel this. It's not even
40:05
Speaker 17: a political issue in our system that it would be
40:08
Speaker 17: a big mistake to reward the Palestinian national movement with
40:11
Speaker 17: statehood after the worst attack on Jews since the Holocaust,
40:15
Speaker 17: when they and themselves didn't even condemn the attack. You
40:18
Speaker 17: have not only Hamas supporting it, but the Palestinian authority.
40:21
Speaker 17: I said, eighty five percent of the Palestinians who live
40:24
Speaker 17: there were supporting the attack. So what message does it
40:27
Speaker 17: send to the Palestinians if, after the worst attack on
40:31
Speaker 17: Jews and since the Holocaust, all of a sudden their
40:35
Speaker 17: national movement is catapulted forward.
40:38
Speaker 12: It's a very big mistake.
40:39
Speaker 17: And the other thing to understand is I wish we
40:41
Speaker 17: were dealing with Palestinians that saw statehood in the context
40:46
Speaker 17: of some sort of peace agreement, and we can argue
40:48
Speaker 17: about the two state solution versus not the two state solution,
40:52
Speaker 17: but it's.
40:52
Speaker 12: A separate issue. They want to separate.
40:54
Speaker 17: The issues of statehood from peace because they don't want
40:57
Speaker 17: to state to end the conflict. They want to state
40:59
Speaker 17: to continue the conflict. That is why we have not
41:02
Speaker 17: resolved this issue for nearly one hundred years. So I
41:06
Speaker 17: think that decision was very ill advised. It may have
41:09
Speaker 17: been well intentioned, but very ill advised and it will
41:11
Speaker 17: be extremely counterproductive. It actually set peace back, and it
41:15
Speaker 17: was a very big mistake, and hopefully the government will
41:18
Speaker 17: realize that. I don't know if they can reverse this decision.
41:21
Speaker 17: Maybe a future government of Australia can, but the first
41:25
Speaker 17: rule is do no harm. And I think it was
41:26
Speaker 17: a big mistake and shouldn't be.
41:28
Speaker 2: Repeated completely agree all right, Ron Dermer, I really appreciate
41:33
Speaker 2: your time. I'm grateful to speak with you. Thank you
41:36
Speaker 2: so much.
41:37
Speaker 12: Thank you.
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Speaker 2: So two news lines there from Ron Dermer, who was
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Speaker 2: very close to Benjaminette and Yao, who he just recently left.
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Speaker 2: He says that in his view, the Iranian regime could
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Speaker 2: be a dust bin of history, so the strikes could
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Speaker 2: get rid of the Iranian regime the iotolas, and also
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Speaker 2: that he believes the strikes, if they go ahead, will
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Speaker 2: be broad based and not targeted at the nuclear enrichmentd site.
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Speaker 2: So there you go, all right, Coming up the all
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Speaker 2: Zionists to Terrorists chant has been ruled unlawful by a tribunal,
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Speaker 2: plus the latest details in the tragic murder of grandfather
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Speaker 2: Chris Bagrain. That's coming up. Welcome BACKWI. As you know
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Speaker 2: by now, Alban Easy called Grace Tame difficult yesterday. Then
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Speaker 2: when she took to social media accused him of being
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Speaker 2: an old man. He then apologized, here was Alban Easy.
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Speaker 3: Us subscribe people in one word and Grace Tame you
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Speaker 3: certainly can't describe in one word. She has had a
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Speaker 3: difficult life and that was what I was referring to.
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Speaker 3: And what Grace Tame has done is to turn that
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Speaker 3: difficult experience that she had into being a strong advocate
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Speaker 3: for others, which is why she received quite rightly the
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Speaker 3: Australier the Year award.
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Speaker 2: How can he still say that she quite rightly received
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Speaker 2: the Australian of the Year award. We have heard people
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Speaker 2: saying that that should be rescinded given her remarks calling
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Speaker 2: for interfada just weeks after the Bondaid terror attack. Remember
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Speaker 2: these remarks.
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Speaker 3: From Gadigal to Gaza globalize the interfinal won my.
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Speaker 17: Time from Gadigal to Gadha globalize the.
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Speaker 2: Johinny Minow, former advisor to John Howard, David Gazard and
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Speaker 2: The Nightlies chief writer Aaron Patrick. Great to see you both, Aaron,
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Speaker 2: what do you think?
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Speaker 9: Well?
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Speaker 7: I think Grace Tame is clearly one of the more
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Speaker 7: difficult people around. And Anthony Alberanezi was right the first time,
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Speaker 7: and he was back tracking in a million miles an
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Speaker 7: hour because he's found out that some people can. That's
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Speaker 7: truly difficult for men to criticize women in public life
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Speaker 7: these days, even if it's accurate.
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Speaker 2: That does seem spot on. You found that at yourself, Aaron,
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Speaker 2: when you tried to criticize Susan Lee, the left all
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Speaker 2: jumped on you. David Gazzard Albanez, he should have gone
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Speaker 2: harder on Grace Tame.
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Speaker 18: She's divisive, particularly as she is making comments that are
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Speaker 18: really unwelcome and maybe deemed to be hate speech on
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Speaker 18: Sydney streets, as you've just said, literally weeks after at
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Speaker 18: what some could describe as a terrorist incident where there
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Speaker 18: was a mass shooting of Jewish Australians. So you know,
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Speaker 18: these days, if you described as difficult someone who's calling
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Speaker 18: for the effective ethnic cleansing of a certain race of
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Speaker 18: people or a certain religion of people, you're somehow more
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Speaker 18: virtuous than anybody else. And of course he now knows
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Speaker 18: by calling it difficult, he'll be described by keyboard worry
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Speaker 18: is everywhere in a time honored tradition now as a
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Speaker 18: misogynist or having difficulties with women. So he's wanted to
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Speaker 18: get out of that as quickly as possible. But the
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Speaker 18: root problem here were Grace Tame's comments on the streets
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Speaker 18: of Sydney when to me, I can't see that she
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Speaker 18: has any qualification to be to be making those comments,
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Speaker 18: no association with any history or particular knowledge of the
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Speaker 18: subject material she's shouting at rallies.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, one, Aaron, this comes as a Victorian tribunal this
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Speaker 2: afternoon made this incredible ruling that the phrase all Zionists
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Speaker 2: are terrorists, is actually against the law. Tell us about this.
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Speaker 7: This is a really big development, Charie. It's just Victorian tribunal.
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Speaker 7: It's not a judicial ruling, but a significant because it's
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Speaker 7: saying that it's saying it's calling out people who use Zionism,
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Speaker 7: you know, instead of the word Jewish, and it's saying
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Speaker 7: if you get up there at a crowd, in front
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Speaker 7: of a crowd and you preach hate towards Zionists, you're
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Speaker 7: essentially preaching hate towards Jews because most Jews believe in Israel.
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Speaker 7: So I think this is a pretty significant decision which
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Speaker 7: I have long time into consequences and could get taken
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Speaker 7: up by the Royal Commission here in Sydney, and it
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Speaker 7: should do.
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Speaker 2: Just changing tack for a minute, David Gazard. We saw
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Speaker 2: the opposition leader Angus Taylor come out in the Daily
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Speaker 2: Telegraph today and say that he doesn't think or he
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Speaker 2: opposes any reduction in the capital gains tax discount, which
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Speaker 2: we know the Albanese government's looking at. Do you think
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Speaker 2: this is I mean, this is the right move for him,
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Speaker 2: isn't it to come out strongly against this.
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 18: I think Sony's on the right track here. You don't
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Speaker 18: sort of tax your way to wealth. You don't tax
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Speaker 18: your way into the creation of new housing by applying
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Speaker 18: extra tax or taking away a discount this case, what
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Speaker 18: you would be doing if you were faired Ingham about
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Speaker 18: freeing up more housing supply for first home buyers and
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Speaker 18: making more houses available, you would be freeing up the land.
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Speaker 18: You would be taking the taxes off the land development,
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Speaker 18: which make up for I think fifty percent of all
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Speaker 18: land releases is now. The cost of that for an
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Speaker 18: investor is tax state and federal, So you'd be taking
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Speaker 18: taxes off, not applying taxes to the investor.
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Speaker 2: The issue is as well Aaron that it just looks
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Speaker 2: like the Albanezer government's trying to find ways to raise
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Speaker 2: more revenue when they've already got record tax resiats and
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Speaker 2: yet there's record spending.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, well that's girding towards a trillion dollars should hit
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Speaker 7: it in the next couple of months. And you've got
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Speaker 7: this big spending them by the government, which is driving inflation.
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Speaker 7: Some flation is the name of the game this year.
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Speaker 7: So Jim Chalmers, you can't really cut spending. So what
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Speaker 7: he's saying is we're finding savings, which means increasing taxes,
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Speaker 7: which is a gift for the opposition.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it absolutely is, and this is exactly what they're doing.
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Speaker 2: Aaron Patrick, David Gazard. Great to see you both, Thank
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Speaker 2: you very much, and don't go anywhere just yet. Two
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Speaker 2: men charged with the kidnapping and murder of Chris Bagsarian
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Speaker 2: face caught today and I'll tell you about it after
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Speaker 2: the break Well last night I showed you the faces
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Speaker 2: of the two men who've been charged with the kidnapping
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Speaker 2: and murder of innocent grandfather Chris Bagsarian.
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Speaker 12: Well.
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Speaker 2: Today, Daniel Stevens and Gerard Andrews front had court for
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Speaker 2: the first time following their dramatic arrest yesterday. The pair
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Speaker 2: are alleged to have kidnapped the eighty five year old
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Speaker 2: in a tragic case of mistaken identity on the thirteenth
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Speaker 2: of February, before allegedly killing him and dumping his body
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Speaker 2: at a golf club. But outside court, Andrew's lawyer said
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Speaker 2: that his client wasn't behind the idea.
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Speaker 5: Certainly from what I can gather, my client was no
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Speaker 5: mastermind in respect to his involvement in this particular matter.
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Speaker 5: But we'll wait for a brief and we'll take it
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Speaker 5: from there. As I said, I have a job to
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Speaker 5: do and it's very hard at this particular moment in
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Speaker 5: time for me to do that job. Having read the
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Speaker 5: fact sheet.
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Speaker 2: Again, our hearts and thoughts and prayers are with Chris
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Speaker 2: Bagsarian's family and this is just the tragedy. We'll keep
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Speaker 2: bringing you the details as they come. Thank you for
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Speaker 2: your company this week, and a reminder you can rewatch
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Speaker 2: the doco on the website of the app. I'll see
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Speaker 2: you Monday.