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#150: Gill1918 presents Track Tribe LIVE: (Part 2) "One System" with Colin Hunter hosted by Kyle Jones · The Gill Athletics Track and Field Connections Podcast

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  Now let's get into today's topic.
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  From what I hear, the the periodization is already set
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  there. Hey, hey guys, here we are.
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  This is our macro, right? This is what we're looking at.
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  Here's where things overlap. Here's where we can start the
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  red flag things. Here's the intensity levels.
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  Here's where we need people to evolve.
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  I'm going to sidestep here. Do you ever take that data and
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  and map it back to the results that you're getting?
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  Yeah, Yeah, we do. We like we're very much if it
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  doesn't broke, if it's not broke, don't fix it.
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  So like we don't go back to the drawing board every year.
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  Like I said, we start, I give when I when I e-mail out.
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  OK, here's a 2026 sheet. Also here's the 2025 sheet.
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  So you can you know, if you wanted to pull what you did last
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  year and start throwing it in, cool.
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  I think with, with this, like I said with with Heist, I really
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  believe that with high schoolers, a lot of stuff works
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  keeping them healthy and like with distance runners, making
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  like getting them willing to run.
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  You know, the getting a boy to run, want to run 5055 miles a
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  week is probably the most work, right?
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  Yeah. And then keeping them healthy
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  enough overtime to be able to get to that point.
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  That's the tough part. For for instance, we're not like
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  I, like I said, I'm taking on the long sprints group this year
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  because my coach retired and we're not going to change.
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  I'm not going to really rewrite what they did because they were
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  very successful. We had a boy won, won the state
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  championship in the 400 and our 4x4 came in second and we ran
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  315. And how that how that team came
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  together is actually really special.
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  So we can talk about that in a little bit because it's a good
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  example of how all this stuff works.
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  But they were like, So what we what we're doing works.
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  However, like there's some comments that we've heard from
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  kids like, yeah, we didn't really, we didn't really do a
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  lot. We didn't, you know, we did
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  every other day. We did like, you know, hurdle
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  hops in in hips and mobility and bands and stuff.
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  It's like sometimes with high schoolers, you kind of got to
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  trick them, right? Like because we really, yeah, we
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  don't need to go run 200 repeats everyday, even if that's what it
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  like, even if a kid thinks he needs to like the, you know,
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  the, the, the addiction to more, we don't.
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  But at the same time, like, you know, I want the kids to enjoy
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  practice. So yeah, I am going to look at
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  what what the group did worked, but I'm going to look at, OK,
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  how can I give them something a little, you know, it hits the
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  stimulus that one of those X Factor or recovery days hits,
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  but trick them into it and it's going to seem like they're doing
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  something different. So give them a little more
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  variation in exercises, but we're probably going to be doing
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  kind of the same thing. Right?
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  Yeah. So that was just OK.
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  You know, hearing his talk in the hallway and then thinking
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  about what what they were OK Why are they saying it was
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  repetitive? OK.
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  As I looked back through what what we did last year with that
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  group, Yeah, they did. Every other day was kind of the
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  same. It was hard workout, recovery
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  day, meet day, recovery day. In the recovery days, we're all
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  pretty similar as far as workouts go.
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  Like we don't, we don't do anything really crazy.
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  You know, we do a Max speed day for sprinters, we'll do a Max
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  speed day, a recovery day, we'll do a speed endurance day, right?
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  We're not reading the wheel distance runners If we if we
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  need to get any better anywhere, it's really in the distance
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  group. But again, like hit VO2 Max and
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  tempo early in the season, get to, you know, mile to mile pace
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  workouts as the season progresses, right?
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  I think we got to ever if I ever think about adjusting stuff
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  there. It's like I heard I heard a
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  comment from one of my seniors a few years ago and she's like
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  this, this this season wasn't hard enough.
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  And I'm like, you are the last person I would have ever
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  expected to say that. And if you knew the girl, you'd
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  understand, like freshman, sophomore, just, you know,
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  hated, hated the work, loved running, but just, you know,
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  complainer supreme. And then turned into like one of
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  the studs. And I was like, OK, well, if if
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  she's saying that it was quite hard enough this year, then I've
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  got to I've got to look back at what we were doing, you know, So
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  a lot of it is just listen to what the kids are saying.
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  Yeah, yeah. Well, you know what though, I, I
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  think that one of the the greatest pieces of the puzzle
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  that you're you're pointing out here, which maybe maybe others
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  aren't hearing it, is that the simplicity is what drives to
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  success. It is.
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  And then on top of that, sometimes the success, it looks
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  really freaking boring, right? It's it's showing up and doing
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  the small things right every single day it.
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  Really is. That's all it is.
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  And people get in these these, and what drives me nuts are
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  these fancy, smancy, newfangled workouts that people come up
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  with. And I'm like, what are you
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  doing? Go back to what's proven and
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  what's simple. Just because it's complex
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  doesn't mean you need to do it. Right, right.
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  Yeah. Drives me like I.
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  Distance like, you know, I think so there's a, there's a one of
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  the local coaches asked on Facebook, like what system do
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  you use for your distance runners?
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  I was like, there is, I don't use the system like I I've read
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  everything like there's some flavor of the week stuff,
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  obviously, but like I went and I've gone to USATF level 2.
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  You know, different coaches have different varying opinions on on
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  the alphabet crew training, right?
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  I don't take credit for that nickname.
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  That's a Charles Ryan, San Jose State.
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  He can't he came up with that nickname, but I love it.
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  The USTUSTFCCCA alphabet crew. I got you.
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  I'm laughing. I knew what you were talking
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  about. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  So you get it. So like I pro, I just use the
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  lingo that I learned there because it describes what we
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  need to do, right. Like you can you can just tell
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  when there's a coach who says who describes their workout.
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  It's like you made that word up and you were, you can just tell
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  like you're trying to cut, trying a little too hard to come
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  up with your own thing, right? Like I, I love training.
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  I love talking training. And also like it almost gets
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  boring sometimes because yes, just we, we know we have decades
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  of science now. We know it works.
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  It doesn't have to be pretty, right?
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  You've got to fit it into your schedule, right?
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  Sometimes, like last year, thankfully we don't have this
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  this year, but last year we had a week where we had four meets
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  in eight days. Oh.
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  Right. So we still we, we have
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  conference meets, we have conference duels and we'd like
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  winning our conference means something to us, but we had a
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  crappy week where we ended up with two duels in one week.
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  So we went Saturday, Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday.
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  Right. No.
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  Way yes, it was. It was not the best week, but
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  that's where like your coaching knowledge and your training
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  knowledge you go is OK. What do I do when I have that
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  situation? Talk about that.
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  Yeah, so I'm I, it's, oh, stepping back is OK.
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  I've got, if I've got a meet, if I have a, if we're covering
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  recovering from a meet on Sunday and we have a meet on Tuesday
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  and we have a meet on Thursday, I'm probably not going to try to
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  squeeze a workout in on Monday. I'm probably not going to try to
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  squeeze a workout in a Wednesday.
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  If you, if you're a Tony Howler guy, one of the best things you
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  can pick up from him is that meats count as a stimulus,
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  right? So how and this is where the
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  planning comes in when you have that really dense bit of
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  competition and some, you know, some programs care more about
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  the invites, some programs care about their league.
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  There are some programs that don't care about their league at
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  all. A lot of those programs are good
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  enough that they just don't have to worry about it, right?
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  You can, you can pull your studs and still win, right?
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  But we like to balance it and we do care about our conference and
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  so it's OK. What can we do on earth that our
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  Tuesday meet to win it? What events can we focus on?
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  What events are we probably going to win automatically,
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  right? Are we facing a distance team or
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  sprints team? So what do we have to emphasize
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  on Tuesday? OK, so can we de emphasize that
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  on Thursday, you know, still run, the kids probably get a
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  stimulus there. You know what, like maybe maybe
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  a kid is running the 2 miles of tempo, right?
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  And can we win by probably loading a kid up on Tuesday and
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  he gets an easier job on Thursday?
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  Vice versa, maybe a kid has an easier job on Tuesday, but then
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  he's the one that really it's going to come down to on
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  Thursday, right? And then let's be smart at our
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  invites, right? Be cool to take a trophy home.
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  But when we have that crazy week, OK, depending on what, you
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  know, kid A or B or C did with those midweek meets, can we just
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  focus on one thing or one relay team or something on Saturday,
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  right? We don't have to go.
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  We don't have to go run three events or four event.
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  We're a four event state, so you're allowed to, you know,
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  participate in 4 events. We don't got to load him up with
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  four events four times and he doesn't got to compete in 16
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  races in eight days. Doesn't make sense.
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  That's smart. Right, I wanted you to say that
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  out loud because you have a lot of coaches that feel like they
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  have to have their kids in every event and that reality, you
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  don't even have to have your best kids racing every week.
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  You know, it just depends on how, how your program is
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  structured. Some kids just don't need to do
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  all that and they get to get them in it and they do 4 events.
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  They're in the the field events, they're in the sprints or
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  they're in, you know, multiple distance events.
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  And I think what needs to happen here is people using need to go
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  back to common sense and stop looking at all these
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  spreadsheets all the time, right?
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  People have gotten away from actually coaching and data is
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  important, don't get me wrong. Or let's look at the
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  spreadsheets the right way, track the right thing.
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  Oh, oh, Billy has been in this many event, or this many events.
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  Maybe he needs a break, right? Maybe.
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  Or he's he said that this is his goal for the season.
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  If we put too much on his back this week, he's not going to
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  accomplish that goal. Right.
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  And that's where the coming back to the point like the title of
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  talk like one team, one system, like I, I also think you can
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  hold two things. You can hold team goals and
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  individual goals right? You can.
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  There is there is time to accomplish the team goal and
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  when when is the team and also give the kid what the kid wants
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  and what the kid needs. Right, but it's probably.
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  Not all going to happen in one week.
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  Yeah, definitely not. Now 44 meets in in a week is,
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  well, eight days. That's Oh my goodness, I can't
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  imagine. That was that was a stressful
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  week for for me for sure. I can imagine.
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  I, you know what and I, I don't know what do we have?
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  We don't have the numbers that you guys have and it's not a
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  numbers game. It's just we just don't have
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  those numbers just yet. I'm at a new school this year,
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  so it's a little new for me, but typically we have anywhere from
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  20 to 30 girls and you know about the same for the boys.
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  I've I've never been one that I've had to have like these
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  super large teams. Honestly, the smaller the better
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  for me because then it's more manageable.
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  And then we get serious kids out there, just people in the
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  uniforms. But then, you know, looking at
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  the amount of work that needs to be done, personally, I probably
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  would have pulled out of one of those meets like outside of like
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  the conference stuff. I know those dual meets matter
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  for conferences. I probably would.
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  I may have just me, I may have pulled out of like the inviting
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  like listen, guys, this is just too much for y'all.
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  Go sit your butt down somewhere. What depending on what's needed
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  to your point, you have to look at the data the right way,
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  right? Because if it's kid, hey, you're
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  only doing 1 here, you got a couple here, we can do a fun
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  relay here and it works and nobody's nobody's going to get
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  injured, then that works. I just know sometimes, man, some
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  of these coaches are like, I'm just going to load everybody up
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  in every single meet and we're going to run into the wheels.
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  Now, like, I don't want I don't want, you know, that stud, our
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  400 guy there is one of those one of those meets our our 4x4
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  team didn't run the four by four or the open or actually, I think
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  our number. I think our number two guy ran
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  the open that day so that he could get a taste of racing
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  without Brody next to him, right, because he's always
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  Xavier. Xavier was kind of always he was
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  not not only in Brody's shadow, but like it was nice for him to
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  be able to experience run it like it being on his shoulders
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  for once, right? Think Brody was in like the four
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  by one or something that day rather than the 404 by 4, right.
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  So, yeah, it's all about it's we're not going to go.
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  Connor isn't going to be in the 124 by 1, four by two every
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  single meet. That's stupid.
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  Like it it it what it would it be?
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  Would it be good for us? Yeah, probably.
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  But it's better for us if he's enjoying his time because then
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  he's going to give all of himself, right?
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  So it's better to, it's better to vary it.
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  It's better to give him some variation, better to experience
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  more. Maybe he doesn't.
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  He doesn't realize if we never put him in the 400, he's never
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  going to realize how good it could be, right?
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  If we don't take this, you know, 2 Miller and put him in the 800
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  might not realize they might be good, right.
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  Yeah. So.
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  And you give your kids enough, you give your kids opportunities
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  in nice instances too, right? So I think that's cool.
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  So kind of shifting gears here a little bit, right?
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  Yeah. Again, I'm I'm still trying to
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  wrap my mind around 8 or 4 meets in eight days.
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  That's. It was yeah.
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  So the one, the, the closing thing on that is I believe, I
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  believe the invites, the last meets of that cycle were we
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  split squad that day and our stud relay teams.
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  So our 4 by 1 and our 4x4, which was a combination of like 7
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  guys. I think they went to a meet in
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  downtown Grand Rapids. And then there's a the girl, the
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  girl a relays also went there and just focused on those.
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  And then that opened up the opportunity for some JV kids to
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  be able to go to an invite. So give some of the younger kids
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  some experience at a less, a smaller invite, less pressure.
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  And again, when I have 11 coaches, we can do that, right?
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  And so yeah, my 2 spring coaches took the Sprint relays to the
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  big meet and then me and the rest of the coaching staff took
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  a normal size invite squad with some new faces to a different
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  smaller, less pressure failed invite.
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  Got some kids a taste of what they could do if they really
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  apply themselves. So all.
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  Right, there you go. And that's, that's just coaching
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  common sense, right? But the, the CCS, as I call it,
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  coaching common sense. So now you're, you're in
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  Michigan, obviously. Let's talk about one of those
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  major things that you guys have to face that maybe some other
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  teams around the country don't have to face.
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  And that's weather, right? How do you guys adapt to that?
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  I know you have your plans in place, but how do you adapt to
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  those? Hey, it's Mother Nature showing
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  up, knocking at the door. How do we make adjustments?
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  What do we do? How do you work with those
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  coaches to adapt in those conditions?
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  It's, it's communication and it's being, it's, it's, it all
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  comes down to being on the same page.
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  If it's so I will say that we're probably outside.
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  We want to be outside if possible.
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  So that the tough, the toughest part is our track is a mile away
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  from the high school. So we got the high school
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  complex and then the, the stadium is a mile down the road.
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  And so that's the that's the toughest part.
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  So if we that, that makes, that makes it just the travel part,
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  especially with so many like with freshmen, sophomores, if we
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  can be outside, we want to be outside.
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  We'll also, we're also probably more likely to be outside than I
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  bet some Sprint coaches would, would prefer.
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  So we'll, we'll be out there in 40° weather.
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  When it gets lower than that, you know, we're going to talk,
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  OK. Are we going to really be doing
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  acceleration work or Max velocity work?
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  It might become more of a, a lactate day where we're not
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  asking kids to fire out of the blocks, We're not asking kids to
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  try to reach top speed, you know, but again, that's where
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  the OK planning a week, a week ahead.
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  We've got our. We've got our big macro cycle
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  mapped out. Hopefully everybody remembered
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  to put their plan for the weekend to the weekly sheet so
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  we can look OK, weather is going to look like this and this and
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  this doesn't make sense, right. And if it if it looks like it
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  obviously isn't going to make sense, then we can come back
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  together and figure out, OK, how does it make sense, right?
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  And if, when this is all this is all operating under the
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  assumption that the snow has melted by March 10.
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  I think that I am probably the most stressed out of the year in
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  the last two weeks of February in the first week of March,
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  right? If I see snow on the on the
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  forecast, then I'm probably not going to be the most fun person
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  to talk to because I want my track clear the second Monday in
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  March. So we can get outside, get
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  outside, because even even if it's cold, like if this, if the
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  sun is out, then we're probably going to have a good time,
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  right? If it's not and if we have to be
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  inside, then we're going to OK, how can we adapt to the
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  hallways, right? We don't have a, we don't have a
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  field house. We don't have an indoor track.
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  We have hallways and it's not ideal.
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  Running on tile isn't the best thing, but you know what we can
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  do? We have, we are blessed in that
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  our school has multiple nice long straightaways and we can do
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  some 30m flies, we can do some, we can do some sort of lactate
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  work if we need to. I can tell, OK, distance
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  runners, you guys can run outside.
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  It's fine, right? I'm going to stay inside and
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  help crowd control at that point, right?
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  And that's a, that's a, that's a big part of it is when we, when
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  we all get inside, then I want to figure out how to get the
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  distance runners working together so that I can help
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  just, you know, wrangle the other hundred kids in the in a
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  cramped hallway. And, you know, jumping workouts
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  are not ideal inside. So a lot of times they're
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  probably going to jump in and get some Max speed work in.
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  And we've been blessed. Like I think we haven't.
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  We haven't had a season where I think two seasons ago we didn't.
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  We weren't inside at all. Last year.
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  We were inside once because of a thunderstorm.
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  But as far as like cold weather goes, the last few years has
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  been pretty, pretty decent. We communicate during the day.
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  So if we're OK, something's popping up, I want to just make
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  that call by like 1:00 PM so I can tell parents and so that
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  coaches so that we can get our text chain going and adapt what
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  we're doing. Gotcha.
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  Right. So the communication I'm
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  guessing is maybe just text message or GroupMe or Remind or
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  maybe emails. How do you guys immediately get
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  in contact with each other? Yeah, so I've got a I've got a
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  yearly 202026 coaches group chat just text message.
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  Try to keep it simple. Unfortunately, my my throwing
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  coach has Android. So it you know how that gets
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  annoying. We got the green text like to
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  give him crap for it. Yep.
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  So, but as far as like e-mail communications, our school has
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  final forms, which is the, the mass e-mail that I use for
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  that's our, that's our roster software.
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  So I can blast an e-mail out to the team really simply so I can,
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  yeah, I can e-mail both boys and girls teams in about 5 minutes
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  if I have to, depending on how long the message is.
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  Yeah, coaches, I keep it simple. We just just a group text.
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  Yeah, keep it simple. And I I throw it out there
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  because again, coaches sometimes get into this sport and they go,
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  we got to be have all the fancy tools and equipment.
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  It's not necessary, you know, keep things simple.
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  I keep, I keep driving at home. The more simple your program is,
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  the more effective and efficient people can be, right?
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  Complexity adds slowness. Yep, the the replace, replace
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  complexity with expectations, right?
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  I want everybody to know. I want them to have a good
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  expectation of what they're going to get from me.
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  I want them to have an expectation of what I expect
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  from them. I want parents to have
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  expectations about what they're going to get.
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  I want athletes to have expectations about what they're
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  going to get right. Like with if everybody, if
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  everybody knows what they're in for, then we can do a lot of
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  stuff with the simplest tools possible.
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  There it is. And I you know what?
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  That that's really one simple word Clarity right here it is
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  this is what it is, right? You roll with that and if you
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  don't understand it, then you ask questions.
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  So. I would say I have never had a
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  parent complain about getting too many emails right.
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  You might have parents complain about not getting enough
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  information, but you're never going to have so they can delete
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  an e-mail if they want to read it, right?
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  I've never had a coach complain about having too much
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  information for me. I don't want people to be
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  surprised, I want them to know what's going on.
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  Yeah, over communicate. People would rather be over
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  communicated with then be under communicated with and confused.
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  Absolutely, 100%. I'd rather get over communicate
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  than under communicate because you get you get assumptions when
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  you under communicate and that that kind of leads me.
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  That's one of the things I think that a lot of coaches make a
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  mistake around. So what other, what other
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  mistakes do you think as we kind of wind down here that you see
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  other programs possibly making as they attempt to cater to
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  athletes from 100 to 3200 right under one particular roof, so to
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  speak? We already talked about, you
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  know, too many events or too, you know, not varying it enough.
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  I I don't like when I don't like when I hear programs have now,
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  obviously, you know, sometimes coaching situations are what
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  they are, but like, if you're, if you're runners aren't
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  practicing at the same time, that's weird to me.
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  I feel like the team should be together, right?
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  For instance, our in our practice, our practice all
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  starts together. We all have one team huddle for,
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  you know, 5 to 10 minutes. We'd celebrate PRS, We hand out
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  chains for the week, right? Stuff like that.
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  Then we get to our team warm up and everybody warms up together,
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  including throwers. Now we're not.
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  Throwers will break off about halfway through.
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  Distance runners might break off if if you know, sprint's doing
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  a, you know, you know, when spring crews are doing that
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  really long warm up because they got a big day coming up, you
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  know, distance runners might peel off at some point.
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  But yeah, I don't, I think that if you're trying to have success
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  together, then your team needs to be together as much as
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  possible. When, Yeah, when kids are not
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  celebrating each other, Obviously I can't, I if I can't
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  force a kid to go watch the throws, right.
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  But at our home meets, like, yeah, we set all our stuff at
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  the logo in the middle of the field, have our team camp there.
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  And I am constantly walking by say, hey, get up.
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  You don't, you're not running, you're not warming up.
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  Go cheer for your friends, right.
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  You know, go, go cheer for your friends right now.
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  We don't need to. We don't need to be huddled in
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  under the tent all day long. If you're not warming up for an
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  event, you're not preparing yourself for an event, then go
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  cheer for somebody. Let's see what else Not taking
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  account. Like kids, I don't.
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  I don't feel the need to force throwers or jumpers to run, for
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  one thing. That's more of a middle school
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  thing. But I know that there's still
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  programs out there that feel like they have to make kids run
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  running events for some reason. Hey gang, Mike Cunningham here.
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