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Father 'Time' is Undefeated · Pass The Rock: Real Talk

0:01
SPEAKER_03: Hey, what's up, people?
0:02
SPEAKER_03: Welcome to PTR Pastor Rock, Real Talk.
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SPEAKER_03: We talk about faith, basketball, culture, obviously Jesus, and how to integrate him into our life every day.
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SPEAKER_03: So I'll be with my boy, V D, AKA Brian Daly.
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SPEAKER_03: Let's get into it.
0:20
SPEAKER_03: Yo, what's up?
0:22
SPEAKER_01: How are we doing?
0:24
SPEAKER_01: Real good, man.
0:25
SPEAKER_01: Hey, we were talking a little bit before this.
0:27
SPEAKER_01: You ain't say nothing about the Niners.
0:31
SPEAKER_00: Hey, we had a great trade.
0:34
SPEAKER_00: We just got DeForce Buckner back on our team from Indianapolis.
0:37
SPEAKER_00: That's probably the most recent thing that's happened.
0:40
SPEAKER_01: But you don't want to talk about the game, you talk about all the trades and acquisitions, you don't want to talk about the game that Oh, the Atlanta game?
0:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, we're just trying to get it to the bye, bro.
0:49
SPEAKER_00: We just six and one, make it to the bye.
0:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
0:52
SPEAKER_00: No, no, we we did.
0:54
SPEAKER_00: We took the L on the road.
0:55
SPEAKER_00: You can't have four turnovers and not take it from them at all and expect to win.
1:00
SPEAKER_00: So I know you're excited about that one.
1:04
SPEAKER_00: I know you're excited about that one.
1:06
SPEAKER_03: I would follow the law from that, but yeah, BD.
1:09
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, calm down.
1:12
SPEAKER_00: But you had to wait.
1:13
SPEAKER_00: You waited all those days just to tell me right now, man.
1:16
SPEAKER_00: That's nice.
1:16
SPEAKER_00: Like, well, I was just gonna compliment you on your hat, but never mind, man.
1:20
SPEAKER_00: I I like your hat, but I liked it a lot more two minutes ago.
1:23
SPEAKER_03: Hey man, got to my shot, Norford State University, Michael Bix that had to walk coach there.
1:29
SPEAKER_03: I went there to go play baseball from Japan.
1:31
SPEAKER_03: Shout out Coach Keith Ross for Believing Me.
1:33
SPEAKER_03: When I was a tear in high school, and I didn't think I could ever play baseball.
1:38
SPEAKER_03: Sent me there, and but I got in trouble for the first year, so I too.
1:44
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:44
SPEAKER_03: I became Christian, don't worry about it.
1:46
SPEAKER_03: Amen.
1:47
SPEAKER_04: It's a clean lid, bro.
1:48
SPEAKER_04: Love it.
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unknown: Thank you.
1:50
SPEAKER_03: Let me say a quick prayer and jump in.
1:52
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
1:53
SPEAKER_03: God, we love you.
1:55
SPEAKER_03: We need you.
1:57
SPEAKER_03: And the honest truth is we cannot provide the power here.
2:01
SPEAKER_03: Life is too hard, complex, and take you too powerful of an enemy.
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SPEAKER_03: Masterful at lies, masterful and manipulating manipulating our desires in the heart.
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SPEAKER_03: So help us today, guys.
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SPEAKER_03: A little closer to truth.
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SPEAKER_03: And actually for those that we need to need ASAP to help them to get you ASAP.
2:26
SPEAKER_04: Amen.
2:28
SPEAKER_03: Alright, bro.
2:29
SPEAKER_03: So October, you know, for those who are joining in, you're gonna talk about scary things about basketball.
2:38
SPEAKER_03: So today we're gonna talk about a different scary part of basketball.
2:43
SPEAKER_03: Before we go there, I gotta add well, injuries are scary.
2:47
SPEAKER_03: So bro, what do you think about all the injuries in the NBA right now?
2:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's one.
2:53
SPEAKER_00: I saw something on socials today that said I can tell you why.
2:57
SPEAKER_00: And they said they pick up full core press more.
3:00
SPEAKER_00: Uh there's more possessions in the game.
3:02
SPEAKER_00: I don't think though, I don't think that's the reason.
3:05
SPEAKER_00: I there's gotta be something else going on because I mean if you go back, different generations have had challenges, but the 90s and 2000s, it was a lot more physical, and so there are more injuries now, but I I wouldn't say it's from a physicality.
3:18
SPEAKER_00: It seems like it's more non-contact injuries.
3:22
SPEAKER_00: Um, and I don't I don't know.
3:25
SPEAKER_00: I'm used to the NFL being like that, but it is weird to see the NBA like that.
3:29
SPEAKER_00: Um, and I don't know quite what to make of it, you know.
3:33
SPEAKER_00: So I I wonder if it's a deeper problem in in how we do strength conditioning, how we do um preparation, how we do recovery.
3:42
SPEAKER_00: But it seems like those those industries have grown so much, man.
3:46
SPEAKER_00: So I I'm I'm also perplexed.
3:48
SPEAKER_00: I don't know what's going on, but I hate to see it.
3:51
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, the only insight I have is I went oh in a worked to Chicago downtown, there was like the orthopedic surgery roadbike conference.
3:59
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
4:00
SPEAKER_03: We had a surgeon come in and I got to talk to him, and he was like, he was excited, but this is like 10 minutes ago.
4:06
SPEAKER_03: He was like, oh, I'm always gonna be in business even more now because younger people are playing more aggressive and harder hawk.
4:16
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
4:17
SPEAKER_03: So from him, I think makes sense.
4:20
SPEAKER_03: A you ball singing playing harder younger.
4:24
SPEAKER_04: Yep.
4:26
SPEAKER_04: Yep.
4:28
SPEAKER_03: So yeah, man, so yeah, uh God bless those who have injured while they recover trickle.
4:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
4:34
SPEAKER_03: But dude, another thing I saw yesterday was a crazy LeBron James got taken down blocks.
4:43
SPEAKER_03: Come on, block and play up.
4:44
SPEAKER_03: Usually he's up dunking it.
4:47
SPEAKER_03: But man, what do you think about LeBron and his athletic development?
4:54
SPEAKER_00: No.
4:55
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I I think I texted you, I was like, LeBron got LeBron.
4:59
SPEAKER_00: Um, so let me break down for the listeners that they don't understand what that means.
5:04
SPEAKER_00: LeBron had a famous play against the Warriors in the finals where he chased down, uh, do you remember who it was?
5:10
SPEAKER_00: Was it Iggy Dala?
5:12
SPEAKER_00: Iggy.
5:12
SPEAKER_00: He chased down Iggy, and then uh instead of Duncan, Iggy went to lay it up, and LeBron basically chased him down, caught up to him, and smacked it against the backboard.
5:23
SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, they call that chase down LeBron.
5:26
SPEAKER_00: Um, I've done both.
5:27
SPEAKER_00: So I've I've done that to people where you catch them and you smack it off the backboard, and when you do it, okay, you have to you have to understand I'm gonna go faster than them.
5:36
SPEAKER_00: So as they gather step, you're sprinting, and then you anticipate it's going on, you know, the right side or the left side of the glass, and I'm going up just to basically, you know, spike it into the backboard.
5:48
SPEAKER_00: Um, and so you kind of you're alpha alpha in the person, but you're definitely like, you're the better athlete in that play.
5:56
SPEAKER_00: And then on the other end of it, if you're going up for the layup, I've been there too.
6:01
SPEAKER_00: You're like, oh, I don't have enough to dunk it right now, or I may not dunk it right now, so I'm just gonna go strong off the glass and finish.
6:08
SPEAKER_00: And then as you're doing that, someone comes up from behind you and you just get pinned on the glass, and it's it's very humbling, bro.
6:16
SPEAKER_00: So I'm like, man, we're used to seeing LeBron like that play.
6:19
SPEAKER_00: If you know hoops, like that was a game, that was a series-changing play he made.
6:24
SPEAKER_00: And so to see him get LeBron, it's I even seeing him after, like, I don't see LeBron like that.
6:32
SPEAKER_00: You know, he was humbled.
6:33
SPEAKER_00: I think he said a little something, but I don't know what he said.
6:36
SPEAKER_00: And it just made me think, I wonder how this year is gonna go with these types of moments where he's being humbled by Father Time, Father Time's undefeated.
6:44
SPEAKER_00: LeBron's in great shape.
6:46
SPEAKER_00: However, uh these these young guys want, you know, you gotta knock what is it, what was that game?
6:54
SPEAKER_00: Uh King of the Hill.
6:55
SPEAKER_00: You gotta knock him off the hill.
6:57
SPEAKER_00: And um, so I thought it was interesting.
6:59
SPEAKER_00: I'm curious to see how LeBron responds and uh how humbled, you know, he'll be.
7:06
SPEAKER_00: Um, side note, my favorite guy, Magic Johnson, I felt like he peaked physically in the 80s.
7:13
SPEAKER_00: So when I watched him lose to Jordan and the Bulls in I think '91, I was wondering that he didn't look as strong.
7:20
SPEAKER_00: He's he lost.
7:21
SPEAKER_00: It looked like Jordan was gonna take over the league.
7:23
SPEAKER_00: So I'm like, well, what's Magic gonna do?
7:24
SPEAKER_00: Because I'll ride with Magic, whatever he does.
7:26
SPEAKER_00: Like if he's if he doesn't shake his hand, if he walks off the court like Isaiah did, okay, is that what we're doing?
7:32
SPEAKER_00: Or if he and Magic went up, zapped up Jordan, congratulated him, and walked off the court humbled.
7:39
SPEAKER_00: Um so I'm curious to see.
7:42
SPEAKER_00: What were what are what were your thoughts, L?
7:44
SPEAKER_00: Uh, what do you think?
7:46
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, thanks for asking.
7:48
SPEAKER_03: You say it's uh more athletic.
7:50
SPEAKER_03: Hey, don't because LeBron has always been one of the most athletic players in the history of NBA.
7:57
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
7:58
SPEAKER_03: So someone to be more athletic Yeah.
8:02
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
8:03
SPEAKER_03: I gotta give a shout out to this road kid.
8:06
SPEAKER_03: So I wasn't gonna play D1 baseball.
8:09
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
8:10
SPEAKER_03: I consider myself athletic.
8:12
SPEAKER_03: I'm 25.
8:13
SPEAKER_03: My favorite is then playing because he's a teenager.
8:17
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
8:18
SPEAKER_03: I can feel I'm not gonna go for a layup.
8:22
SPEAKER_03: Oh no.
8:23
SPEAKER_03: There's a little I'm not racist.
8:26
SPEAKER_03: There's a little white boy's a sophomore.
8:30
SPEAKER_03: I think five.
8:35
SPEAKER_00: Hey, you're gonna be like, so like, hold on.
8:39
SPEAKER_00: In basketball, you gotta pre-judge sometimes.
8:42
SPEAKER_00: Like, not in that way, but you have to make a judgment where you're like, he's not blocking me.
8:48
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
8:49
SPEAKER_00: I'm good.
8:51
SPEAKER_01: No muscle definition, like you're on it all the time.
8:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
8:58
SPEAKER_03: I go up, bro.
9:00
SPEAKER_03: This little boy jumped up, like blocked my layup.
9:04
SPEAKER_03: Right.
9:05
SPEAKER_03: So in that moment, so I I didn't fall on the block.
9:09
SPEAKER_03: Man, this would have never happened when I was younger.
9:11
SPEAKER_03: Right.
9:12
SPEAKER_03: I gotta eat a humble fire right now.
9:14
SPEAKER_03: Right.
9:15
SPEAKER_03: I kind of pushed them later on that podcast.
9:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
9:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's I mean, that's the old head move, too, is like if I can't get up, I'm gonna push or I might push off if they get my layup.
9:26
SPEAKER_00: But I will say one thing, I don't care if you're old or young, we should not celebrate.
9:30
SPEAKER_00: Is if you block someone and they're on the way down.
9:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, don't go crazy.
9:35
SPEAKER_00: Come on, man.
9:36
SPEAKER_00: Act like you've been there before.
9:37
SPEAKER_00: I mean, if you go up and you high point, okay.
9:41
SPEAKER_00: But if someone's double pumping on their way down and you block them and you're talking, it's like, come on, bro.
9:46
SPEAKER_00: You don't need to talk trash after that.
9:48
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
9:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so did did he say anything to you after he blocked you, bro?
9:53
SPEAKER_01: Man, why you gotta act that boss, Brian.
10:00
SPEAKER_04: Okay, okay.
10:03
SPEAKER_03: So even more in my heart was about oh dear.
10:06
SPEAKER_03: So at least I laugh a little bit here on there, but it's all good.
10:09
SPEAKER_03: Shout out 10 to 10.
10:11
SPEAKER_03: Okay, uh boy laugh, and then I might not even try to kill him.
10:16
SPEAKER_00: So you did a little research on him?
10:19
SPEAKER_00: You just try to put it together like Yeah, because I was I told my kids, my daughter, that we're like friends.
10:25
SPEAKER_03: I mean Teddy's a button my light up.
10:27
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
10:28
SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah, he was trying to kill.
10:30
SPEAKER_04: Okay, okay.
10:31
SPEAKER_04: All right, all right.
10:36
SPEAKER_03: Humility, when you're humble, yeah, yeah.
10:39
SPEAKER_03: That can be a scary thing.
10:42
SPEAKER_03: Hey, I'm losing my I'm not as strong or as good as I used to be, so reality is I'm not that good anymore.
10:51
SPEAKER_03: The other side of the coin is I'm better than what I really think I am, but I need someone else to help me humbling as well.
11:00
SPEAKER_03: So let's I want to talk about computer that can be scary for an athlete.
11:06
SPEAKER_03: So, Brian, I want to ask you when was the time that you were humbled playing basketball?
11:14
SPEAKER_00: Um, all the time, all the time, bro.
11:18
SPEAKER_00: I think I mean I have embarrassing moments.
11:22
SPEAKER_00: I have time where you just get humbled.
11:23
SPEAKER_00: I have times like I think as you get older, this would be a great question to ask anybody.
11:27
SPEAKER_00: I'd say, L, remember um, this is there's a lot of good stuff here.
11:31
SPEAKER_00: Used to say, or we used to say, you're not at your prime yet.
11:34
SPEAKER_00: You're not at your prime till you're 29, because that's when we said Jordan was at his prime.
11:39
SPEAKER_00: I use that still to all my people, like, you know, campus, someone turns 21 and they're like, Oh, you're an unk.
11:44
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, no, no, no, you're not an unk yet.
11:46
SPEAKER_00: You're not even at your prime, you know, 29 is your prime.
11:49
SPEAKER_00: So I'd say anyone after 29, how do they deal with being humbled on the cord?
11:54
SPEAKER_00: Um, I think for me, it's the stuff I used to do I can't do anymore.
11:59
SPEAKER_00: And uh there's some stuff, you know, I can, or you see a glimpse of it.
12:04
SPEAKER_00: And um, so yeah, it's it's humble.
12:09
SPEAKER_00: Uh uh, let's see, there is there's a lot of times I feel humbled.
12:13
SPEAKER_00: Um I I think okay, there was one I went to Tampa Bay.
12:19
SPEAKER_00: I went to Tampa Bay for a men's conference.
12:22
SPEAKER_00: So I'm leaving the conference, I'm telling some stories, and so I felt like, man, they're awesome.
12:27
SPEAKER_00: So the brothers of Tampa Bay Church, so great.
12:30
SPEAKER_00: Um, encouraged me.
12:32
SPEAKER_00: You know, I'm telling a couple stories, so they might be like, okay, this guy can hoop.
12:35
SPEAKER_00: So then we do some fives after, and that's some good hoopers, man.
12:38
SPEAKER_00: It was like good runs, and um, and some older guys, some younger guys, and so then uh I hadn't been like for me, I can still dunk.
12:47
SPEAKER_00: I'm 43, but I gotta I have to like prepare, I gotta do some playos, stretch, all that.
12:53
SPEAKER_00: So we're playing pickup, and I'm not playing great, and I'm on the side, and that's okay.
12:57
SPEAKER_00: I think that's one of the things you be you become more humble and it doesn't become about you, and so I'm on the side, I'm not playing the best.
13:05
SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm watching, I think our team lost.
13:08
SPEAKER_00: And uh on the side, they're like, Can you still dunk?
13:11
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, oh yeah, like this course, I got this, you know.
13:14
SPEAKER_00: So I had a ball next to me, and you know, sometimes a play goes down here and you get one in, so so I get up.
13:22
SPEAKER_00: I was like, Oh, for sure.
13:23
SPEAKER_00: You saw my little routine, I can palm the ball.
13:25
SPEAKER_00: So I go one, two, and there's no jet propulsion, bro.
13:29
SPEAKER_00: And so I went up, I went up, and it's like not gonna get to the rim.
13:34
SPEAKER_00: I had to drop it, and I did not dunk it.
13:37
SPEAKER_00: And they were like, ah, uh, you know, they're like, like, that's okay, that's okay.
13:42
SPEAKER_00: So that's the first time that's ever happened to me since I was like 16.
13:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that was humbling, bro.
13:51
SPEAKER_03: Reality check.
13:52
SPEAKER_00: Reality check.
13:54
SPEAKER_03: Man, so how do you what did I teach you?
13:56
SPEAKER_03: How do you embrace the reality of like, man?
14:00
SPEAKER_00: I don't uh me and a buddy, uh, shout out Blake Hawksworth, great baseball coach, loves hoops, loves God.
14:08
SPEAKER_00: We used to quote um above the rim, can't erase what we were, you know, can't erase what we were, man.
14:16
SPEAKER_00: Bernie Mac and Tommy Shepherd.
14:19
SPEAKER_00: So we say that all the time, but I I think underneath that it's kind of funny, but there's gratitude.
14:26
SPEAKER_00: You gotta find gratitude, right?
14:28
SPEAKER_00: So we will never be able to do the exact things we did, but we're grateful that we once did those things.
14:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so when I can't dunk one day, I'm I'm planning on still dunking this year, but when I can't, I'll be grateful I did for so many years.
14:43
SPEAKER_00: Um you know, when uh when I'm not winning, like right now, I'm pretty much a one-on-one king of the court guy.
14:51
SPEAKER_00: That's what I do.
14:52
SPEAKER_00: Um, and when I'm not winning those one day, what makes people yeah, because because I if you study Paul Pierce, bro, he didn't even go anywhere, just jab, jab, jab, jab, shot, fake shot.
15:06
SPEAKER_00: So I can do that in one-on-one king of the court.
15:10
SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, I think gratitude is big, humility, and um there's something about life, like that season where you you're a baby, people help you, you get bigger, you get stronger, you do your thing, and then you slowly like where my dad's at, you know, he needs help for most things.
15:28
SPEAKER_00: Can't even open his email, can't make a cell phone call.
15:32
SPEAKER_00: Um, and I think hoops is like that, you know.
15:35
SPEAKER_00: You can barely get to the hoop when you're a little baby.
15:39
SPEAKER_00: One day you're gonna barely be able to get to the hoop on your way out, you know.
15:43
SPEAKER_00: So I'd say gratitude and humility.
15:48
SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, I I think those are the biggest things, and I and then I think how do you define greatness?
15:57
SPEAKER_00: You know, greatness to me, I try to find greatness with passing on what I've been given by so many people, and I want people to do greater things than I ever did.
16:10
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, there's been a lot of guys that I've gotten to coach or been teammates that have done greater things.
16:16
SPEAKER_00: Uh, two to jump out, Matisse Seibel, defense specialist for the Los Angeles Lakers.
16:23
SPEAKER_00: He's starting, he's 25, 30 minutes a game, he's double digits, he's awesome, man.
16:29
SPEAKER_00: And and that is a great young dude.
16:31
SPEAKER_00: I coached him for two years when he was in seventh and eighth grade.
16:35
SPEAKER_00: And I I basically taught him a lot of strength conditioning stuff.
16:39
SPEAKER_00: And when I talk to him now and I look at him like a lot of his game is predicated on a mentality from strength conditioning, and um, I love that, you know, and then another one, uh Kim English.
16:50
SPEAKER_00: Remember Kim?
16:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
16:52
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so you got me tapping the stories to you got me tapping the stories today, L.
16:58
SPEAKER_00: But on his visiting trip, one of the reasons on his recruitment trip to Missouri, one of the reasons he came is on his visit, he he went into the practice gym Friday night at 10:30 p.m.
17:10
SPEAKER_00: And what was going on Friday night at 10:30?
17:14
SPEAKER_00: Oops, us, our campus.
17:18
SPEAKER_00: He loved that.
17:20
SPEAKER_00: Um, he shot around with us.
17:22
SPEAKER_00: He might have even played, but he was a guy that slept in the gym, loved the gym, and I got to coach him.
17:28
SPEAKER_00: I was just a grad assistant, but I did one thing that he loved, and that was every day before I'd shoot, I'd get a ball, and to choose a basketball, I'd smell it like it was fruit.
17:38
SPEAKER_00: And so I'd be like, like this one's ripe.
17:41
SPEAKER_00: And I'd take that one.
17:42
SPEAKER_00: Man, he was like, What did you just do?
17:45
SPEAKER_00: And he loved that, man.
17:46
SPEAKER_00: And and uh, great player, played the NBA.
17:49
SPEAKER_00: He's a D1 coach now at Seton Hall, I believe, or Providence, one of those two.
17:54
SPEAKER_00: So I get a great thrill out of that.
17:56
SPEAKER_00: Um, of seeing guys just do greater things than I ever did.
18:00
SPEAKER_00: But I I got to be in there a little bit in their lives and their journey.
18:04
SPEAKER_03: All right, cool, bro.
18:05
SPEAKER_03: Thanks for that.
18:06
unknown: Dr.
18:07
SPEAKER_03: Powers 20 tonight.
18:09
SPEAKER_03: The glory of young men the splendor of old men.
18:16
SPEAKER_03: But so much of what we people, young people can't your great word is their okay, which is but talking about PR, what they're brand is all about.
18:36
SPEAKER_03: There's something greater than your or greater glory than spirit.
18:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's a great verse, bro.
18:46
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
18:48
SPEAKER_03: So tell me about the other side of that card.
18:52
SPEAKER_03: Oh, when you felt like someone sees you better than how you think yourself, and you had a couple of them left coming up, you couldn't still got current cop.
19:05
SPEAKER_00: I can think of two right off right off the dome.
19:08
SPEAKER_00: So I had a junior college coach, the iceman, Harold Wright.
19:12
SPEAKER_00: He just got voted into the Washington State uh coaches hall of fame, and he used to just cast a vision for me all the time, man.
19:19
SPEAKER_00: And um, and he his vision was from JUCO, he coached me in JUCO, don't just make it to college, but be a be a guy that really helps that team get better, and then make a career out of basketball, become a coach, become something like that.
19:40
SPEAKER_00: And so he would he would kind of be in my ear on that.
19:43
SPEAKER_00: And from a talent perspective and like a journey, I had his journey way up there.
19:47
SPEAKER_00: He played at the Rucker, he played in the NBA for a minute.
19:50
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, he's like he's up there for me.
19:54
SPEAKER_00: I respect him so much.
19:55
SPEAKER_00: And so he would he would say it in a way of like go further.
19:58
SPEAKER_00: And then uh I remember when I went to Mizzou, I brought him back some gear and he introduced me to his boy and was like the way he talked about me, I was like, dang, you know, he's he's proud, but he gave me that game, he gave me a lot of that game, that vision.
20:14
SPEAKER_00: Um, and so he poured into me that way.
20:17
SPEAKER_00: And then uh a guy named Omar Parker, he vouched for me to walk on at Bazoo.
20:23
SPEAKER_00: And when we had a coaching change with Quinn Sider left, Mike Anderson came in.
20:28
SPEAKER_00: Omar helped me create a resume, and the position was for director of player development, and that was his position, so he was being let go by the new staff, and he helped me with my resume for his position.
20:41
SPEAKER_00: And I remember he looked at me and he goes, Go get my job.
20:46
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, Oh dang, I didn't even think about that.
20:50
SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm going after what was his job.
20:54
SPEAKER_00: Um, so man, that that that is like that's humble.
20:59
SPEAKER_00: That is greatness, you know.
21:01
SPEAKER_00: Um, he's a he's a great high school coach now, but I want to be like that, bro.
21:05
SPEAKER_00: I want to be like that to other kids, and I don't care you know what what age, where they're where they're from, you never know what God will do with people.
21:12
SPEAKER_00: So I've carried that with me.
21:15
SPEAKER_03: Do you think you want to spend the player career to have for eye friends?
21:22
SPEAKER_03: Or even Omar, maybe a jump done as well in that role.
21:28
SPEAKER_00: No way.
21:29
SPEAKER_00: All all my coaches have been like that, L.
21:32
SPEAKER_00: I had a youth coach, Rich Belcher, he coached me all the way through high school, Bruce Brown, he's a mentor for me.
21:39
SPEAKER_00: Um, Eric Hansen, junior high coach, who told me I wasn't strong enough.
21:43
SPEAKER_00: Um he followed me the whole time, still in contact with him.
21:47
SPEAKER_00: JUCO, my head coach Rick Turner, Harold Wright.
21:51
SPEAKER_00: Uh Quinn Snyder.
21:52
SPEAKER_00: I mean, Quinn Snyder helped me with some job opportunities right when I finished.
21:56
SPEAKER_00: Um, he he got some of the got me some interviews for some job.
22:01
SPEAKER_00: All the whole staff, my college coaching staff.
22:04
SPEAKER_00: Um, no, I I think that has been a central role of all those coaches that they played in my life.
22:12
SPEAKER_03: Why didn't God design a building where we need other people to help us get to that level of best versions of ourselves?
22:22
SPEAKER_00: It's a great question.
22:24
SPEAKER_00: I was thinking of Mark II, and I'm preaching on that this week, but it's uh Mark II, the beginning of the chapter, the paralyzed man is lowered down.
22:36
SPEAKER_00: And you've probably seen it, like read it.
22:38
SPEAKER_00: People have read the Bible or they saw it in the chosen, but it says Jesus saw their faith.
22:44
SPEAKER_00: So there's four people that carry the paralyzed man's mat, and four people lower him down, and so it's it's the faith of the five people help to heal the one.
22:56
SPEAKER_00: There's something about faith being a team sport, there's something about brotherhood, teammate.
23:03
SPEAKER_00: We have to answer for our own lives, we're accountable in our own lives to Jesus.
23:09
SPEAKER_00: But while we're here, there's something about faith being a team sport, and I'm kind of fired up about it because um AI, I'm learning a lot about AI.
23:20
SPEAKER_00: How do we use it in healthy ways and avoid in unhealthy ways?
23:23
SPEAKER_00: There's no replacement for that brotherhood, sisterhood with AI, right?
23:28
SPEAKER_00: So that will always be there.
23:30
SPEAKER_00: There's gonna be a lot of jobs that we lose in our world, but relationally, mentoring, coaching, that is always gonna be a need.
23:39
SPEAKER_00: Um I don't know.
23:43
SPEAKER_00: What do you think?
23:44
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I'm all we're just kind of like bodily.
23:47
SPEAKER_03: Like, what is it about achievement so you can even your point?
23:52
SPEAKER_03: I can't do it.
23:54
SPEAKER_03: Even if I watch podcast and YouTube, that's incredibly helpful, it doesn't draw me out and uh talking to a friend or taking pictures somebody.
24:08
SPEAKER_00: Right.
24:08
SPEAKER_03: A part of someone that I need that's what it is.
24:14
SPEAKER_03: My soul person needs somebody else into what's in their people out of it.
24:24
SPEAKER_03: So there's something about a relationship between my people.
24:34
SPEAKER_03: I grew up in Japan when we talk with friends, always trimmed the plane, called the board building.
24:41
SPEAKER_03: And I was enough ahead knock.
24:44
SPEAKER_03: Terrible studio, my feet and I just had no teams at home.
24:51
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
24:51
SPEAKER_03: King Frost came my team here, like so you can play wrong and air.
24:59
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
25:00
SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna say my ball and season.
25:06
SPEAKER_03: And then I was like, yeah, okay.
25:11
SPEAKER_03: Were you committing wrong thoughts?
25:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's the that's the beauty of the story, right?
25:21
SPEAKER_00: Like that's that's the story that of what God did.
25:28
SPEAKER_00: So when you wear the hat, you didn't just say, like, yeah, that was my squad.
25:32
SPEAKER_00: It was there's a story there about what God did.
25:35
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
25:36
SPEAKER_00: Relationally, and I think it's in the DNA of what we have because the epistles are all the churches.
25:43
SPEAKER_00: You know, there's a reason Christianity isn't isn't a solo thing.
25:48
SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, it could have been.
25:50
SPEAKER_00: God could have said, like, you do you, go do your thing, uh, be on your own, but he didn't, you know, he called us to be in community, to be relational.
25:59
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
26:00
SPEAKER_03: One control of the care.
26:06
SPEAKER_03: Any game, defense and meetings will not be like playing with you, somehow we're playing correct.
26:16
SPEAKER_03: Somehow we got I got the ball at the top, or down low, and I'm coming on my dumped it, I still can't be like, but there's some you know challenging me, inspiring me.
26:38
SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna go for it.
26:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, bro.
26:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, those are the those are little things, right?
26:45
SPEAKER_00: But I think they there's energy transfer, like that's a great story, bro.
26:51
SPEAKER_00: L, you're a phenomenal athlete and have bounce, and and yeah, doing it like dunking in the game is you never forget it, right?
27:00
SPEAKER_00: I think if there's any, if it's like I think the percentages are greater when someone passes a teammate the ball and says, knock it down or shoot it, versus when they just they're just quiet, catch it, shoot it, maybe not sure.
27:18
SPEAKER_00: There's something about confidence and belief in your teammate that says, Man, knock that down.
27:24
SPEAKER_00: You know, I've always believed that.
27:26
SPEAKER_00: I don't know the numbers on that.
27:27
SPEAKER_00: I teach that with my kids, I coach, but I think the percentages when you believe in your teammate and communicate that are gonna be better.
27:37
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, all right.
27:41
SPEAKER_03: Well, me, let's integrate this, but matters.
27:45
SPEAKER_03: So one thing that's hard about being honest about who we are.
27:56
SPEAKER_03: A sin, can we see that?
27:58
SPEAKER_03: But also calling and talented in the stuff.
28:04
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we'll talk about like a hard one.
28:10
SPEAKER_03: Bro, how can we see sin in our lives and how do that someone in point that out?
28:21
SPEAKER_00: In hoops, there's a game film, and you watch game film, and you can't lie with what you see, you know, you can't you can't change what's recorded.
28:35
SPEAKER_00: So it's like will you take an honest look at the game film, you know, you turned it over three times.
28:41
SPEAKER_00: Will you be honest about that?
28:43
SPEAKER_00: Not blame your teammates, but just really be honest, put that out there.
28:46
SPEAKER_00: I I think a wise man once told me, if you're honest, God can help you through anything.
28:55
SPEAKER_00: If you are honest about it, and I think that's true in in the church when we help each other with sin.
29:01
SPEAKER_00: It's okay, let's start from the place of honesty.
29:03
SPEAKER_00: If we if you're not honest, we don't really know what we're working with, and if we're not honest with God, it's like we're not owning our turnovers.
29:12
SPEAKER_00: So I think it starts with the honesty, bro.
29:16
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, saying what you really need, you need help with except feedback on it.
29:23
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I love that.
29:24
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and the same thing about our strength talent.
29:30
SPEAKER_03: Where's the way that okay?
29:32
SPEAKER_03: Be honest about how do we find what what am I getting for?
29:39
SPEAKER_03: What I'm calling them up.
29:42
SPEAKER_03: What's my true pepper?
29:46
SPEAKER_00: Those are deep questions, man.
29:48
SPEAKER_00: I might send it back to you.
29:51
SPEAKER_00: I mean, man, I think I think that that's part, that's part of the humbling journey, because there's times where I felt like, oh, I've got a strength for coaching.
30:05
SPEAKER_00: God's given me this, so I'm gonna do that.
30:09
SPEAKER_00: And then God goes, well, actually, I want to call you over here to ministry.
30:13
SPEAKER_00: And I go, oh, well, that you know, I'm not a preacher, I'm not, that's not my strength.
30:18
SPEAKER_00: But yet he called me, and so he's saying, Hey, you have you have enough talent and enough skills that I'm gonna I'm gonna try to use you for this and help you out.
30:29
SPEAKER_00: If you get a lot of help, if you if you go all in, there's a chance by my grace that you can make it, right?
30:36
SPEAKER_00: So sometimes it might be that it might be like when you have no left hand, but but God's going, hey, your right hand just broke, so you have to work on your left hand.
30:45
SPEAKER_00: Um I don't know, bro.
30:46
SPEAKER_00: I think that's part of the talent is by faith you go after the the work that he gives you with all the talent you have.
30:57
SPEAKER_03: Bro, so Brian left Amazon right again and what he left with a table, and then he worked at Microsoft, and then you I don't remember the exact time, but then you went to or accepted the call, you were sending a mission team performance, yeah.
31:18
SPEAKER_03: At the same time, you were watching you a coaching out.
31:23
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and you were considering on your wife that uh hey, what change?
31:29
SPEAKER_03: You felt how why you change your mind?
31:31
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
31:32
SPEAKER_03: So shout out to Katie.
31:34
SPEAKER_03: So going back to what we always saw, how important relationship.
31:40
SPEAKER_03: If Katie never said that, we'll give it going to you, though.
31:51
SPEAKER_00: There it I think coaches could speak to this better than I, current, but coaching can be a lot like playing because you're competing.
31:59
SPEAKER_00: If if your head coach does well, you move up.
32:02
SPEAKER_00: And if they don't, if they lose, you you lose your job.
32:07
SPEAKER_00: I think I was so competitive and believed um believed in myself and what God was doing so much, I would have just kept going back and forth and coaching and just gone job to job.
32:23
SPEAKER_00: And that's what a lot of people do, and there's nothing wrong with that.
32:26
SPEAKER_00: I I probably would have had fun coaching, but um for where I was at in life, in my faith, and in my marriage and my family, it was clear that that wasn't right because Katie was right from a spiritual standpoint.
32:44
SPEAKER_00: We felt called, nothing changed.
32:46
SPEAKER_00: So if I was going to compromise that, I was basically saying the calling is not as important to me as my dream of coaching.
32:54
SPEAKER_00: And I think that mentality would have caused me to struggle with idolatry and coaching for a long time.
33:03
SPEAKER_00: And instead, what it did was we sacrificed it, and it was clear, you know, it's one thing to sacrifice when it's not alive, but it was alive, it was an option, and it was okay, we're gonna kill that.
33:15
SPEAKER_00: And as soon as I killed it, it was like I'm not looking back, I'm I'm grabbing the plow, we're going this way.
33:21
SPEAKER_00: Um, so sometimes, you know, some days are harder than others, but I get to coach.
33:25
SPEAKER_00: I'm going to coach in about five minutes, actually.
33:27
SPEAKER_00: And I'm gonna teach my teach my seventh graders how to run and jump, full court press.
33:32
SPEAKER_00: And so I do get to coach, it's just not my job, my you know, my core career.
33:39
SPEAKER_00: Um, so yeah, bro, I do think if if she didn't say that and I didn't I didn't believe that, then I personally would would have struggled um with the identity and coaching for several years.
33:56
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
33:57
SPEAKER_03: And then some things.
33:59
SPEAKER_00: She's also a listener.
34:01
SPEAKER_00: Also a listener.
34:02
SPEAKER_03: Amy, let's go, we got um one thing is boiling down to you don't need it carried to our weaknesses and our strength.
34:16
SPEAKER_03: But it sounds like on it it's so important to have you need somebody.
34:24
SPEAKER_03: And even Jesus had went to Gethsemane had three that he could find it more.
34:32
SPEAKER_03: Well, we need others in our lives.
34:35
SPEAKER_00: Yep, yeah, bro, and kind of coming full circle.
34:39
SPEAKER_00: Um, I think a lot of our themes have been on relationships, and when I think about like what LeBron's gonna go through this year, I wonder what his closest relationships will advise him on how to handle it.
34:51
SPEAKER_00: I wonder what they'll say, you know.
34:53
SPEAKER_00: Um, because there's definitely like you can fight to hold on to it, or you can welcome, like, you know, if he welcomed the humbling moments, like remember when Sean Kemp dunked on the dude from Golden State and the dude from Golden State dapped him up.
35:08
SPEAKER_00: Like, I love that, right?
35:10
SPEAKER_00: If you have those moments, but then all of a sudden he does something crazy, then he's gonna give him more respect when you know.
35:17
SPEAKER_00: So something tells me it may not be like that, but I I hope that he's got some good relationships around him that help him because uh it's the same thing spiritually, like we might have our peak spiritually, and then you know, we're gonna do less.
35:30
SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, and so when we do less, you know, our relationships are really important in how we teaching us how to handle that.
35:39
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, the best friend ought to pray to risk the religion for the truth.
35:46
SPEAKER_03: Come on, right, and so on and we're real you know, all we all have important things in our life.
35:54
SPEAKER_03: Hopefully, we all have the blessings from the end, yeah.
35:58
SPEAKER_03: This is always always wounds from a brain can be that's right, enemy multiplies.
36:07
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
36:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we do have yep, yep, amen.
36:15
SPEAKER_00: And I think Hoopers too is like the end of your playing journey is a chance for greatness and passing things on to the next generation.
36:23
SPEAKER_00: It's it's not, you know, oh, I wish I was this, I wish I was that.
36:29
SPEAKER_00: No, it it's tough, everyone goes through it, but it's nothing to fear, it's not your identity, it's a chance to pass on.
36:36
SPEAKER_00: And I will say this if you're a hooper and someone's given some great talent to you and some great nuggets, and you don't pass that on, you should be ashamed of yourself.
36:44
SPEAKER_00: You need to repent.
36:46
SPEAKER_00: You need, you've gotta pass on the stuff that's been given to you.
36:50
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I think about the parable of the talents.
36:52
SPEAKER_00: I think about uh some just you know, if someone else is giving you something great, you have a duty to pass it on.
37:03
SPEAKER_00: Um, and so if you're on the fence, like should I help?
37:06
SPEAKER_00: Should I coach?
37:07
SPEAKER_00: I don't know what I'm doing.
37:08
SPEAKER_00: Find an avenue to give back to the greater basketball community.
37:13
SPEAKER_00: Same thing spiritually.
37:15
SPEAKER_00: You find a way to give back to people spiritually.
37:18
SPEAKER_00: So you got me fired up today, L.
37:21
SPEAKER_00: Caught me on a good day, man.
37:23
SPEAKER_03: Hey, man.
37:24
SPEAKER_03: We can be together.
37:25
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
37:26
SPEAKER_00: Love you too, man.
37:28
SPEAKER_00: All right, I can pray stop.
37:30
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
37:31
SPEAKER_00: Cool.
37:32
SPEAKER_00: Heavenly Father God, thank you for this time with El to uh pause our days and think about you and sport and uh consider what's going on in the landscape around us and in our lives, God.
37:41
SPEAKER_00: And I think just the gratitude for our sport journeys.
37:44
SPEAKER_00: I love the story of Norfolk State and uh El's coach going to bat for him and even helping his own uh dad to have a vision for him.
37:53
SPEAKER_00: And and even though it it didn't go ideally how um El wanted, that he took something good from that, that he taught him, that he still has um pride in that part of the chapter and gratitude, and um thank you for my sport journey, all the coaches and teammates that poured into me, God, and that we we can be on the other end of it now helping others.
38:12
SPEAKER_00: And um, I pray the same thing for our spiritual journey.
38:16
SPEAKER_00: Uh, we've had times other people have just poured into us and taught us and helped us, and we want to be that for others as well, God.
38:23
SPEAKER_00: There's there's a transaction that we want to be a part of that takes place when we coach, when we mentor, when we teach others, discipleship.
38:30
SPEAKER_00: And so help us to do that, God.
38:32
SPEAKER_00: And and if sports will be a vehicle to do that with, help us to utilize sports the best we can and not get those things twisted up.
38:40
SPEAKER_00: Uh, not not have the sport, not have the uh faith serve the sport, but the sport serve the faith.
38:46
SPEAKER_00: And um, and yeah, I'll pray for for everything going on our our professional leagues, our our world politics, the wars going on all around us, help us to stay close to you and hold on to our faith tightly and uh be a positive light for those around us, God.
39:03
SPEAKER_00: We love you and uh thank you for his time in your son Jesus' name.
39:06
SPEAKER_00: We pray.
39:06
SPEAKER_00: Amen.
39:08
SPEAKER_03: Amen.
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39:53
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39:56
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