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The Jesse Ventura They Don't Want You To See Pt. 1 - Plum Island · Conspiracy! The Show

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Speaker 1: Wait insurance, spratrop a check with the audult.
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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy the Show. I'm your host,
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Speaker 2: Adam Todd Brown. Who are you Hi, I'm Olivia Hidar.
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Speaker 2: we do here. Olivia. How's it going?
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Speaker 1: You know, things are okay, kind of kind of calming
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Speaker 1: down after I've had a little bit of a fear
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Speaker 2: F that's a weird time.
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Speaker 1: Sorry, it sounds I did realize as I was saying
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Speaker 1: it that it that it would sound weird. The f
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Speaker 1: U R O R. It's just been a busy couple months,
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Speaker 1: and I'm glad the things are finally starting to chill
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Speaker 1: out a little bit.
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Speaker 2: I mean they might be starting to chill out. But
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Speaker 2: once we dig into the subject of today's episode, and yeah,
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Speaker 2: the next eight bonus episodes of this podcast, in fact,
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Speaker 2: your life might get a lot more exciting.
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Speaker 1: Yeah maybe, because who knows.
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Speaker 2: We're talking about the Jesse Ventura that the government doesn't
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Speaker 2: want you to see. Season two of Conspiracy Theory with
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Speaker 2: Jesse Ventura.
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Speaker 1: It exists, it does, it's there. They didn't just go
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Speaker 1: from one to three, which would be a move.
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Speaker 2: It's what the Traveling Willberries did. They did. Yes, it's
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Speaker 2: not an unprecedented move.
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Speaker 1: It's a great call. I would have never thought to
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Speaker 1: compare Jesse Ventura to Roy Orbison.
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Speaker 2: He replaced Roy Orbison and the Traveling Willberries. People don't
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Speaker 2: know that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I mean totally.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 1: He's just as good with a guitar as Roy.
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Speaker 2: He sure looks good on a motorcycle. But I'm getting
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Speaker 2: way way ahead. That's yeah, you're like an episode, interesting
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Speaker 2: thing about the season. Like we said, you can't find
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Speaker 2: it anywhere.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been canceled to like banned, Yeah, banned from TV.
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Speaker 2: A few unpops listeners or conspiracy to Show listeners have
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Speaker 2: reached out in an effort to help find these episodes.
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Speaker 2: And we're going to try and get through all of
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Speaker 2: it before the Feds shut us down.
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Speaker 3: I can't believe you would reveal the secret location of
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Speaker 3: our video files, Adam.
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Speaker 2: What's just venturer? They don't want you to see. That's
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Speaker 2: what we're talking about. And he's in fine form, get it.
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Speaker 2: He's really getting to the interesting stuff. This the first
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Speaker 2: The topic he covers first is one I've always been
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Speaker 2: pretty fascinated with for sure, which is Plum Island. Had
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Speaker 2: you ever heard of this before?
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Speaker 1: Well? I had, Like I've heard about it just in general,
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Speaker 1: like as an adult, you know, uh, reading about weird
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Speaker 1: like the you know, these weird conspiracies and shit. But
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Speaker 1: I've known it for a long time because it's like
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Speaker 1: a plot point in Silence of the Lambs. Uh oh,
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Speaker 1: that's right. That's the place where like Clarice is trying
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Speaker 1: to like tempt Lecter with like being able to take
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Speaker 1: vacations at Plumb Island, and he's like, you think you've
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Speaker 1: you think you're being clever, But I know that Plum
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Speaker 1: Island actually is a disease testing center, you know it's
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Speaker 1: and so yeah, I've just known about it like passively
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Speaker 1: because of that for a long time.
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Speaker 2: It's very close to New York City. I've heard a
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Speaker 2: lot of conspiracy stuff about this place before. And I'll
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Speaker 2: be honest, I don't trust it. I don't. I don't
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Speaker 2: like that we have an animal testing facility. It's like
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Speaker 2: a government run animal virus testing facility.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I like, look, I don't trust it inherently
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Speaker 1: because I don't generally trust government institutions like as a whole.
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Speaker 1: Like it's tough for me, but also I understand why
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Speaker 1: we would need a national animal disease testing center. We like,
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Speaker 1: if something were to happen to you know, a large
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Speaker 1: portion of our you know, livestock, we would be in
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Speaker 1: huge shouble Like it's.
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Speaker 2: An animal where to pass some sort of pandemic onto people.
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Speaker 1: Well no, I mean, yeah, what that happened. I mean sure,
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Speaker 1: But what I mostly mean is that if like, you know,
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Speaker 1: if all of our cows die, then there goes milk
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Speaker 1: and there goes you know, fresh milk and fresh beef
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Speaker 1: like that, and that's like huge. Yeah, It's like.
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Speaker 2: That's one thing you rarely get in these episodes is
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Speaker 2: there's never even just one person to step in and
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Speaker 2: be like, hey, you ever think of the food supply chain, right,
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Speaker 2: Like maybe we need to keep a tab on animal
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Speaker 2: diseases also so we can all eat.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is something we're I mean, we've talked about
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Speaker 1: it before, We're going to talk about it again throughout
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Speaker 1: these episodes. But like they've got this skeptic character who
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Speaker 1: just constantly makes these shittiest skeptic arguments that don't make
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Speaker 1: any sense when like it would you know, like this,
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Speaker 1: Like it would be a perfect thing for him to
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Speaker 1: bring up, like perfectly reasonable thing would be, well, there's
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Speaker 1: a reason for us to have this, And that's not
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Speaker 1: ever his position. It's always like, well, no, I think
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Speaker 1: we should just trust the government. Guys, we only have
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Speaker 1: a question what they say.
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Speaker 2: Do you think the government is working on bioweapons somewhere?
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Speaker 1: I mean probably, but I would like, personally, I would
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Speaker 1: imagine they're gonna do it off of the mainland. It
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Speaker 1: would probably not. And I don't mean like Plumb Island
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Speaker 1: off of the mainland. I mean, like, you know, we've
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Speaker 1: got all these territories, We've got like military bases all
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Speaker 1: over the world. You know, I would imagine that we're
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Speaker 1: probably doing some sort of chemical weapons or biological weapon
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Speaker 1: research in some place like that. But in I just
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Speaker 1: feel like in the mainland that's tough. Even the most
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Speaker 1: dedicated shithead politicians would be like, I don't know if
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Speaker 1: I want that in my state, you know, Like it's
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Speaker 1: like if we're trying to get through the Senate.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that is a thing that comes up in
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Speaker 2: this episode. I'm trying to move Plumb Island to Kansas.
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Speaker 1: Which makes sense, like that actually like they they you know,
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Speaker 1: they're very suspicious of it, because they're very suspicious of
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Speaker 1: everything about this facility, because that's the premise of the show.
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Speaker 1: But like it makes sense for it to be in
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Speaker 1: Kansas because that's where a bunch of animals are, like
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Speaker 1: we would be, that would be kind of in the
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Speaker 1: you know, in the ship as it were. They kind
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Speaker 1: of got to get it. You have to imagine they're
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Speaker 1: kind of importing a lot of these I mean, there's
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Speaker 1: obviously livestock in upstate New York, but like they've got
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Speaker 1: to be chucking these things for a while.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they do talk about some weird aspects of this place.
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Speaker 1: Oh for sure.
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Speaker 2: The fact that it was founded by a Nazi is disturbing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's awful, but like and unfortunately true
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Speaker 1: of a lot of our agencies, some of which are
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Speaker 1: like legitimately beneficial, like NASA, like you know, we just
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Speaker 1: you know, unfortunately, Yeah, that's what our government decided to
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Speaker 1: do after World War two.
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Speaker 2: Hard fact of life. We teamed up with the Nazis
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Speaker 2: after World War two a fight communism.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 2: So this episode opens with Jesse Ventura and that fucking skeptic.
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Speaker 2: His name's Alex Piper I believe, yeah, or that's just
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Speaker 2: what I've named him.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I just know Alex.
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Speaker 2: They're on a boat to Plumb Island, and they set
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Speaker 2: it up like they're being chased by the coast Guard.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's a classic conspiracy theory cold open. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Like he often opens with like, I'm getting rounded up
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Speaker 1: by the fits because I've asked too many hard questions
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Speaker 1: and then you get to that part of the episode
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Speaker 1: and it's always like, yeah, they just kind of asked
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Speaker 1: him politely to leave.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they were just there doing the coast Guard's job
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Speaker 2: guarding the coast. Things like yeah, of all the government
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Speaker 2: agencies like the coast Guard, I'm like, they just fucking
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Speaker 2: deal with water. That's not even we shouldn't be there
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Speaker 2: in the first place.
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Speaker 1: I mean, like, yeah, I just don't find the coast
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Speaker 1: Guard threatening. I find them. They have a helpful image.
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Speaker 1: They're like the sea firefighters to me.
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Speaker 2: I like that. Right out of the gate, he delivers
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Speaker 2: a real sad monologue about being chased because he's a governor,
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Speaker 2: he used to be a governor, and uh, oh man,
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Speaker 2: you can tell I did these notes with voice dictation
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Speaker 2: soft because there's Yeah, some translation errors. I did notice
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Speaker 2: that it says I used to be a governor. What
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Speaker 2: are they think? I am a flocking terrorist? That's not
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Speaker 2: actually Jesse Venture's quote from the episode.
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Speaker 1: He said, Well, like one of them.
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Speaker 2: Think I am a fucking terrorist. Yeah, they might.
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Speaker 1: That is a that's gonna be a running theme at
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Speaker 1: least over the next couple episodes, where he just is
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Speaker 1: so indignant that, as a former government governor and current
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Speaker 1: TV show host, he is not allowed to go literally
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Speaker 1: anywhere he wants to go.
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Speaker 2: And who would want that. There have been some bad
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Speaker 2: governors in history exactly. You want to give them all
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Speaker 2: unfettered access to everything in the world.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like, honestly, you're just a you're
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Speaker 1: a governor, you run a state.
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Speaker 2: They declared this Jesse Venture a day here in nineteen
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Speaker 2: eighty nine let me in. He describes being chased as
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Speaker 2: like a raid out of his navy man days. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: only this time he didn't have a gun or a knife, right,
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Speaker 2: but from what he'd already found, they wouldn't be much
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Speaker 2: help anyway. Yeah, what were you gonna do? He's gonna
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Speaker 2: get get a gunfight at Plumb Island on TV he is.
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Speaker 1: Gonna shank some coast guards. Yeah, yeah, I love whenever
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Speaker 1: he brings up his navy days. I'm glad he was
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Speaker 1: talking about being a frogman and not a seal, which
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Speaker 1: is more accurate. Still cool, but yeah, but also comparing
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Speaker 1: what happens in this episode to something that happened during
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Speaker 1: your frogman days really makes your frogman days seem not
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Speaker 1: that dangerous. It kind of undermines the machoness of that brag.
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Speaker 2: I know a thing or two about being lightly followed
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Speaker 2: by the coastguard, and he never really elaborates on the guns.
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Speaker 2: Wouldn't help much anyway, because then we just cut to
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Speaker 2: oh for sure. The first person he talks to, who's
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Speaker 2: Kenneth King, an expert on biowarfare. He talks about how
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Speaker 2: there are thirteen hundred and fifty six germ containment facilities
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Speaker 2: around the country and if there are accidents happening regularly.
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Speaker 2: Here's the thing about that number, I'd rather there be
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Speaker 2: more than less, because if he was like, listen, there
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Speaker 2: are two germ containment units for the entire country, I'd
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Speaker 2: be like, fuck.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's doesn't seem like enough. I mean, like, again,
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Speaker 1: I don't want to take the government side. That is
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Speaker 1: not something that I'm trying to do. But like I
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Speaker 1: think the last couple of years have shown that we
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Speaker 1: need facilities in our country to study these things like
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Speaker 1: they're they're important to know about. They're not like you
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Speaker 1: have there. Everyone in this episode is constantly take immediately
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Speaker 1: leaping to the most negative possible assumption about what's going on.
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Speaker 1: And I get it. I get that, And I'm not
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Speaker 1: saying there's not anything nefarious happened with regards to this stuff,
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Speaker 1: but like you know, there's also rational explanations.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and what they're getting into in this part is
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Speaker 2: a little timely because he's basically talking about a lab leak,
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Speaker 2: which the lab leak theory when it comes to COVID
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Speaker 2: is not a popular one, but it's one that exists. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: It well, it's tough because it's so loaded.
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Speaker 3: Uh.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it depends on what version you're talking about. If
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Speaker 2: you're talking about the Chinese government created COVID in a
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Speaker 2: lab and then unleashed it on the world, I don't
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Speaker 2: think so. But yes, of course it's possible for someone
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Speaker 2: to work in a lab like this and accidentally spread
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Speaker 2: something to the outside. I mean, I mean.
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Speaker 1: Sure, but also lots of things are possible, Like you know,
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Speaker 1: I just that's just a huge leap to make from
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Speaker 1: outbreak to bioweapon.
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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, and with they're not necessarily saying the government's
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Speaker 2: making buy weapons, but they do hint at it a
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Speaker 2: whole lot. And uh, that's mostly what they're focusing on,
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Speaker 2: is the chances that something like this or that one
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Speaker 2: of these facilities something could escape and make a lot
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Speaker 2: of people sick. But you're just kind of rolling the
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Speaker 2: dice on life in general, like that could happen with
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Speaker 2: so many things.
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Speaker 1: I mean for sure. Yeah, and again, like there's no
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Speaker 1: other way to develop things ways to combat these viruses
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Speaker 1: and different kinds of infections than studying the germs and
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Speaker 1: like the viruses and the bacteria that cause those infections,
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Speaker 1: Like that's the only way to do it. Really, you
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Speaker 1: can't do it without them.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, It's one of those things where you got a
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Speaker 2: weigh the risks against the benefits, right, Like, yes, there's
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Speaker 2: some risk, but the benefits of knowing how these things work,
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Speaker 2: should they get out at some point, are obviously gonna
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Speaker 2: outweigh those risks.
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Speaker 4: Well.
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Speaker 1: And also, you know, if you think about like what
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Speaker 1: is in the government's best interest, and you know, even
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Speaker 1: just on a financial level, like the pandemic has been
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Speaker 1: disastrous for our country's economy, and so they're going to
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Speaker 1: have If we do have these facilities that are studying
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Speaker 1: you know, viruses and you know, these different kinds of things,
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Speaker 1: the security on these things is gonna be insanely tight
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Speaker 1: because the government in charge doesn't want an outbreak because
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Speaker 1: it would cost a shit ton of money and like
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Speaker 1: be hugely damaging to whoever's in like to the president's reputation,
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Speaker 1: like and everybody involved. It would just it just doesn't
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Speaker 1: make any sense for it to be any other way.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. That that's a running theme with this series in general.
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Speaker 2: That frustrates me is it always comes back to, well,
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Speaker 2: why want the government let us in to see what's
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Speaker 2: going on? It's like, and that's not how government works,
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Speaker 2: I mean for sure.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, especially with this Plumb Island thing, when every time
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Speaker 1: he kept being like.
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Speaker 3: I just want to I just want to go in
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Speaker 3: and see what's happening. I just need to know what's
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Speaker 3: going on. I mean, first of all, what do you
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Speaker 3: know about disease? You know, control? What do you know
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Speaker 3: about it?
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Speaker 1: How would you be able to tell what's happening in
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Speaker 1: a lab like this. And also if you think that
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Speaker 1: they're developing these things, why would you want to go
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Speaker 1: into there? Yeah, like it's if it's that dangerous.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, imagine if you were fighting to get in this
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Speaker 2: place and they keep saying no and keep saying no,
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Speaker 2: and then suddenly they're like, all right, come in. I
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Speaker 2: feel like at that point I'd be like, no, no,
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Speaker 2: that's going on.
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Speaker 1: I actually changed my mind.
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, you're not putting me in that room, Like
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Speaker 2: I mean seriously though. So the next thing that happens
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Speaker 2: in this episode, it's time for a patented team meeting. Yes,
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Speaker 2: they have these all throughout the episode. Sometimes they kick
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Speaker 2: off the episode. Sometimes Yeah, Jesse's just in a Starbucks
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Speaker 2: and someone walks up and slides a paper across the
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Speaker 2: table and he brings that back to the team meeting.
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Speaker 2: In this meeting, they're talking about the mon Talk Monster. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to completely shoot this down, but like
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Speaker 1: if you've ever seen like biologists have like done composites
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Speaker 1: of a raccoon, an image of a raccoon like over
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Speaker 1: the image of the montalk monster, and it's like one
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Speaker 1: to one, and you know, I just kind of know
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Speaker 1: what dead animals look like, and I know it, but
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Speaker 1: like it just looks like a dead animal, you know,
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Speaker 1: Like why.
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Speaker 2: Won't you let me look at your dead animals?
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Speaker 1: I Like, again, I don't want to be like a
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Speaker 1: total downer, but I don't know, I just can't go there.
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Speaker 1: On the on the Montalk Monster, that's just one where
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Speaker 1: I'm like, this is just so obviously a raccoon.
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Speaker 2: Well, my question with the mon Talk monster, because the
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Speaker 2: argument people make is, well, that escaped from Plum Island
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Speaker 2: where they're testing animals. What would they be making that
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Speaker 2: for what?
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Speaker 1: Also, also, this like this is why it's weird that
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Speaker 1: they brought it up in this episode because they've the
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Speaker 1: entire rest of the episode is about bioweapons basically, and
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Speaker 1: then they have this montagu monster thing, which is about
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Speaker 1: like genetic engineering or something, and like that's just a
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Speaker 1: totally different conspiracy theory, Like it doesn't really connect to
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Speaker 1: the bioweapon aspect, except that it involves animals.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's a confusing tangent, that's for sure.
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Speaker 2: That thing does look creepy when it's weird.
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Speaker 1: I mean, dead animals are freaking freaky.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, man, Like I just I just
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Speaker 1: can't go there on them. And I love that cryptozoology stuff.
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Speaker 1: I think it's cool, like, but the Montok monster is
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Speaker 1: just it's a dead animal and it's been rolling around
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Speaker 1: in the surf. It's got all it's for, you know,
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Speaker 1: stripped off, and it's got the a skull with like
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Speaker 1: missing teeth and a broken nose, and it looks like
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Speaker 1: it's got the raccoon shacks, like it's got the little
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Speaker 1: puffy butt anduff but it's got the little puffy butt,
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Speaker 1: but like not as cute because it's been decomposing in
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Speaker 1: the ocean.
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Speaker 2: They send June sarpalm to Kansas, and I'm not sure why. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: what's she gonna do stop? Like this isn't the Excel pipeline,
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Speaker 2: and even if it was, you're not enough protesters to
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Speaker 2: stop it.
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, like June is kind of like the field
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Speaker 1: trip person. Really, She's the one who always kind of
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Speaker 1: goes to like you know, meet someone or or you know,
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Speaker 1: do some sort of trip to places being discussed to investigate.
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Speaker 1: And I think they just needed her to do something
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Speaker 1: and so they sent her out there.
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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Jesse and Alex get on a plane ahead to
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Speaker 2: Plumb Island, which was confusing because it seemed like they
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Speaker 2: just drove there, but or they were on a boat
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Speaker 2: at one point. I don't know why we even needed
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Speaker 2: to know about the plane. Alex the Skeptic goes to
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Speaker 2: the beach to talk to a guy about the mon
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Speaker 2: Talk monster, Nicholas cut Naro. He's a local and he
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Speaker 2: said he's the first one who reported on the mon
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Speaker 2: Talk monster on his website, and he thinks it's a
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Speaker 2: hybrid animal of some sort. But he also says another
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Speaker 2: one on shore, Yeah, like a manimal if you will, right, yeah,
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Speaker 2: which again, for what exactly, what's the purpose of that,
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Speaker 2: just for funds for kicks and shit.
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Speaker 1: The giggles like, I don't understand.
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Speaker 2: We've got hybrid animals and they can't even cure cancer.
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Speaker 1: Yet they're making bio weapons out of hybrid animals. They're
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Speaker 1: infecting the hybrids with hoof and mouth disease.
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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Jesse Ventura is talking to Carl Grossman, a professor
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Speaker 2: and an investigative journalist, and this is who brings up
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Speaker 2: the fact that Plumb Island was started after World War
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Speaker 2: Two by a former Nazi named Eric Traub and he
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Speaker 2: was brought here under Operation paper Clips.
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Speaker 1: So that's cool. Oh, it's super dope. Love history.
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Speaker 2: And his idea for Plumb Island was that he would
20:18
Speaker 2: be able to weaponize bugs basically. And here's the thing.
20:23
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen Wormwood? Did you watch the Wormwood document?
20:26
Speaker 1: No? No, we've talked about I do need to watch that.
20:29
Speaker 1: That's one that's been on my list for too long.
20:31
Speaker 2: One of the theories that comes up in Wormwood is
20:34
Speaker 2: that we used biological weapons in Korea, and the type
20:39
Speaker 2: of weapons we used were bombs that when they hit
20:43
Speaker 2: the ground instead of exploding, they just kind of broke
20:46
Speaker 2: open and released weaponize bugs into the area to introduce
20:50
Speaker 2: diseases to the area.
20:52
Speaker 1: Yeah.
20:52
Speaker 2: So I don't completely doubt.
20:54
Speaker 1: That, No, I mean, that would be an efficient way
20:58
Speaker 1: to spread weaponized disease, Like that's just you know, that's
21:02
Speaker 1: how the Bubonic League spread. So it makes sense that
21:06
Speaker 1: that would be something under consideration.
21:08
Speaker 2: But they don't really stay on that for long. I
21:11
Speaker 2: don't know. Maybe Jesse Venture has never heard that conspiracy maybe,
21:15
Speaker 2: but like the CIA did throw a guy out a
21:18
Speaker 2: window to keep it quiet.
21:19
Speaker 1: We know that, right, Yeah, and they said that the
21:21
Speaker 1: overdose sun LSD or so.
21:23
Speaker 2: They said they they claimed they gave him too much
21:26
Speaker 2: LSD and it drove him crazy and he jumped out
21:28
Speaker 2: a window. And you know, when the CIA has taken
21:30
Speaker 2: responsibility for something like that, something much much worse actually happened.
21:35
Speaker 1: Totally.
21:36
Speaker 2: Yeah.
21:36
Speaker 1: I think the reason why they don't spend much time
21:39
Speaker 1: on the flea thing is that they don't really spend
21:41
Speaker 1: too much time on any one detail of this. It's
21:44
Speaker 1: kind of scattershot. It's probably my big biggest problem with
21:47
Speaker 1: the episode is it just kind of jumps all over
21:49
Speaker 1: the place.
21:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the problem with a series like this in general.
21:53
Speaker 2: Like when you're getting into area fifty one, Yeah, which
21:56
Speaker 2: they do on the next episode, there's so much to
21:58
Speaker 2: talk about, and it's like, really, you're gonna knock this
22:01
Speaker 2: out in forty minutes. It's gonna be interesting. So Carl
22:05
Speaker 2: Grossman is very worried about al Qaeda striking Plumb Island,
22:10
Speaker 2: and I am not, and I never was.
22:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm yeah now is well, I guess that you know,
22:16
Speaker 1: twenty ten or whenever this was made, is I guess
22:20
Speaker 1: a slightly more relevant time to be worried about al Qaeda.
22:24
Speaker 2: No, that's two years into Obama. I think by then
22:27
Speaker 2: most most people were like all right, there's yeah, they're not.
22:31
Speaker 1: Like I was a freid of al Qaeda like the
22:34
Speaker 1: day after nine to eleven, Like I just like I
22:38
Speaker 1: was like fourteen years old, and I was like, this
22:41
Speaker 1: is a one and done, right, this seems like they
22:44
Speaker 1: probably shot their wat on this. This is huge.
22:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing else is really gonna impress after finally exactly.
22:53
Speaker 1: I mean, like we had like the fucking anthrac shit,
22:56
Speaker 1: which turned out to like everything we've had since then
22:59
Speaker 1: has been domestic terrorism. Yeah, it's been every major incident
23:03
Speaker 1: since nine eleven. So yeah, I am not personally afraid
23:06
Speaker 1: of al Qaeda or ISIS or whoever's the big one
23:11
Speaker 1: now attacking Home Islands.
23:13
Speaker 2: Yeah. The anthrax attacks are a very sad and interesting story.
23:17
Speaker 2: It's like another Richard Jewel story basically a little bit. Yeah,
23:21
Speaker 2: because they identify the suspect and name him publicly and
23:24
Speaker 2: then just kind of harass him until he finally kills himself,
23:28
Speaker 2: I believe, and then almost as soon as he died,
23:31
Speaker 2: they're like, oh, are bad it's actually this other guy?
23:34
Speaker 2: We think, whoopsie, that's their official like that was their
23:40
Speaker 2: press release. It was just like, so sorry, the Office
23:43
Speaker 2: of the FBI, whoops a little shrug emojis? Did we
23:48
Speaker 2: have those back then?
23:49
Speaker 1: I think I don't think so, but they just did,
23:52
Speaker 1: like the written out one with like the slashes.
23:56
Speaker 2: So next they get into the tick theory, right, this
24:00
Speaker 2: is a theory that's been around quite a while. It
24:03
Speaker 2: has this is one that this is an example of
24:07
Speaker 2: what you were talking about, where you're really getting into
24:10
Speaker 2: a complex theory with this tick thing. To just gloss
24:14
Speaker 2: over it in the course of this episode is bad planning,
24:18
Speaker 2: if nothing else, because this should be its own episode.
24:23
Speaker 2: It's very strange theory, which it's kind of the same thing,
24:27
Speaker 2: which is that in this case, lime disease escaped from
24:32
Speaker 2: a facility I believe, Plumb Island and made its way
24:36
Speaker 2: to Connecticut and then spread to the rest of the world. Yeah,
24:40
Speaker 2: and I spent a lot of back and forth on
24:43
Speaker 2: this theory over the years.
24:45
Speaker 1: I think the biggest fourth and probably the reason why
24:48
Speaker 1: they're not gonna they wouldn't do a full episode on it,
24:51
Speaker 1: is that like there were reported cases of lime disease before,
24:56
Speaker 1: like this was before Plumb Island existed. Yeah, there's that,
25:00
Speaker 1: but also the way technicality.
25:02
Speaker 2: But the way it popped up in the region when
25:07
Speaker 2: it did and how it did, there's like yeah, I
25:10
Speaker 2: mean obviously there's that contention, but there are I think
25:14
Speaker 2: we've done an episode on it, but there are answers
25:16
Speaker 2: to that contention also, Like sure, I wouldn't be surprised
25:21
Speaker 2: if something like it's a thing that can happen like
25:25
Speaker 2: things can state, I mean facilities like this.
25:28
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's true. And again I'm not going
25:31
Speaker 1: to say that, you know, when it comes to the
25:33
Speaker 1: government doing heinous things that anything basically is off the table.
25:38
Speaker 1: But I like, for me, like just the fact that
25:42
Speaker 1: Plumb Island didn't even exist when the first cases of
25:45
Speaker 1: lime disease were documented is just that's just kind of
25:49
Speaker 1: an open and shut thing for me. That's that's a
25:51
Speaker 1: tough one to overcome.
25:52
Speaker 2: Well, what if they were studying lime disease in that facility,
25:56
Speaker 2: what if they had been able to get access to
26:00
Speaker 2: lime disease, which yeah, there had been cases of it before, right.
26:03
Speaker 1: So they're studying it, and so you're saying, like.
26:05
Speaker 2: That's why it goes from a thing that existed to
26:09
Speaker 2: being in a concentrated out in one area.
26:12
Speaker 1: And that's that's a fine like that. I understand how
26:17
Speaker 1: that could happen, but that's not really the theory that
26:21
Speaker 1: this show positive like posits or that the biggest theory is,
26:24
Speaker 1: and the theory that most people say about lime disease
26:27
Speaker 1: with Plumb Island is that they created lime disease at
26:30
Speaker 1: Plumb Island. That's like what this guy's saying and what
26:35
Speaker 1: the major theory is, and that is just it can't
26:38
Speaker 1: be true.
26:39
Speaker 2: Right that. I mean, yeah, but those are two different theories. No,
26:43
Speaker 2: something might have escaped and that something was intentionally released
26:48
Speaker 2: as a bio weapon. Those that's two different things.
26:51
Speaker 1: Oh no, totally I agree, But I just I'm at
26:56
Speaker 1: least what I understood from from what this guy was
26:59
Speaker 1: saying is he's he's of the camp that believes that
27:02
Speaker 1: it was created there, and that's kind of what they're implying. Yeah,
27:06
Speaker 1: with a lot of this, and I just that it
27:09
Speaker 1: can't be true. So yeah, I wouldn't.
27:11
Speaker 2: Be inclined to believe that, but I do believe if
27:15
Speaker 2: it's something that escaped, the government would have a very
27:18
Speaker 2: vested interest in covering that up because they absolutely for
27:22
Speaker 2: the financial liability if nothing else, right.
27:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that, Yeah, that's what we were talking about.
27:27
Speaker 2: Lime disease almost broke up Hall and Oates, how seesus
27:31
Speaker 2: the federal government encroach on our rights like that?
27:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, that alone would have caused a fucking riot in
27:39
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine.
27:40
Speaker 2: The cost of the economy come on exactly exactly. It's
27:44
Speaker 2: in the world.
27:46
Speaker 1: I mean, and and look and lime disease is fucking horrific.
27:50
Speaker 1: And you know again, I wouldn't be like, that's also
27:54
Speaker 1: a disease that you would probably study, like an animal disease. Yeah, center,
28:00
Speaker 1: that makes sense.
28:00
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because ticks are gonna transmit.
28:03
Speaker 1: I think famis can contract the form of it, right,
28:06
Speaker 1: like probably so. Yeah.
28:08
Speaker 2: They also get into suggesting that there are human experiments
28:13
Speaker 2: happening roy Plum Island. And it's on account of how
28:17
Speaker 2: this body washed ashore and it had weird elongated fingers, right,
28:22
Speaker 2: And there are newspapers articles out there about this body
28:27
Speaker 2: washing up. But I don't know people there's there was
28:31
Speaker 2: a lobster boy was a real boy, right, And he
28:34
Speaker 2: was a man who got murdered by his wife in
28:36
Speaker 2: a murder for higher plot after she left him, married
28:40
Speaker 2: the world's smallest man and then divorced him and went
28:43
Speaker 2: back to Lobster Boy. That's all true?
28:45
Speaker 1: Wow yeah, No, I mean the world is a strange
28:48
Speaker 1: and wondrous place, and that all happened at Plumb Island exactly. Yes,
28:52
Speaker 1: Lobster Boy born in a Plum Island. H But like
28:57
Speaker 1: you know, again, we're talking about a dead that's been
29:00
Speaker 1: rolling around in the ocean for a while. It's probably
29:04
Speaker 1: gonna look pretty fucking weird. I think any of us
29:07
Speaker 1: would look pretty fucking weird.
29:09
Speaker 2: Next, they do a thing, a really signature thing of
29:13
Speaker 2: this series in general, where they go to get answers
29:16
Speaker 2: from someone who you should know ahead of time is
29:18
Speaker 2: not going to be in a position to give you answers.
29:20
Speaker 2: And in this case, Alex, the skeptic, heads to a
29:23
Speaker 2: local police department to ask about the mon Talk monster.
29:27
Speaker 2: And it's like, man, if that was a real animal
29:30
Speaker 2: hybrid that escaped from a government lab. These cops have
29:33
Speaker 2: been hit with that men in black flashing thing a
29:38
Speaker 2: time ago.
29:39
Speaker 1: You think the mon Talk police department, like their biggest
29:44
Speaker 1: struggle is dealing with like some drunk millionaire. It's like
29:49
Speaker 1: causing a riot at cracker Barrel, Like, they just aren't
29:53
Speaker 1: I feel like gonna be a real big help in
29:56
Speaker 1: this situation.
29:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not gonna be in a position to jeopardize
30:00
Speaker 2: that job, that's for surely. So then they go talk
30:05
Speaker 2: to Randy Sykes, who contracted lime disease fifteen years ago.
30:10
Speaker 2: He believes it was created by the government and that
30:13
Speaker 2: they were doing it to create a weapon, and he
30:17
Speaker 2: says he found the smoking gun, which is a document
30:21
Speaker 2: showing that the FEDS are working on biowarfare agents at
30:25
Speaker 2: Plumb Island and that lime disease is one of them.
30:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, it's terrible that this guy had
30:35
Speaker 1: lime disease. It's really, like I said, that's a vicious,
30:39
Speaker 1: vicious disease. And it's understandable that when you have something
30:44
Speaker 1: that's that debilitating you want answers like this is something
30:48
Speaker 1: we run. You know. The first episode that we talked
30:50
Speaker 1: about of this show was nine to eleven and they
30:54
Speaker 1: had oh I forgot, they had a woman who was
30:57
Speaker 1: like the mother of one of the eleven victims, And
31:00
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, I understand how someone in that position
31:04
Speaker 1: might turn to, you know, some sort of theory that
31:08
Speaker 1: can give closure to them. But like I said, I mean,
31:12
Speaker 1: like this document, where did this document come from? Like
31:16
Speaker 1: how do we know that it's real?
31:18
Speaker 2: That's the thing. Whenever they talk to anyone like this
31:22
Speaker 2: on this show, it's like, well, where did Randy get that?
31:27
Speaker 1: Right? He's like, with.
31:29
Speaker 2: All the journalists and investigative reporters and whatever in the
31:35
Speaker 2: world intelligence agencies, how did Randy get it? Because we
31:42
Speaker 2: talk about this documentary all the time called Mirage Men,
31:45
Speaker 2: which is about a guy whose job it was when
31:50
Speaker 2: someone would find evidence of an actual thing the government
31:53
Speaker 2: was working on, like a top secret project, he would
31:57
Speaker 2: go out to them and give them a d evidence
32:01
Speaker 2: that was fake, so then they would go publish that,
32:05
Speaker 2: and then the government could just be like, no, this
32:07
Speaker 2: is very demonstrably false. This person's crazy. Don't pay attention
32:10
Speaker 2: to anything they're saying. Again, if lime disease just accidentally leaked,
32:16
Speaker 2: as opposed to being a weapon the government created, they're
32:19
Speaker 2: going to have a whole lot of liability if that
32:21
Speaker 2: comes out, right. And one thing we know the government
32:23
Speaker 2: does is they will send you on a whole other
32:26
Speaker 2: trail that's not going to be provable in order to
32:29
Speaker 2: hide that actual truth. And for sure I would be
32:32
Speaker 2: suspicious that that might be what's happening here.
32:36
Speaker 1: I mean possibly, But also like, so who's Randy other
32:40
Speaker 1: than a guy who had line disease?
32:42
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's what I'm saying, though, is they if
32:45
Speaker 2: he had been pushing this theory that lime disease is
32:48
Speaker 2: a weapon, someone could have just come to him and
32:50
Speaker 2: been like, yep, here's your proof. Yeah, I should go
32:53
Speaker 2: public with that. And then now his whole focus is
32:57
Speaker 2: this is a weapon as opposed to oh no, wasn't.
33:00
Speaker 2: But the government's responsible.
33:02
Speaker 1: For sure, well, like and and and just in general though,
33:05
Speaker 1: like and this is a problem with with the show
33:09
Speaker 1: is I don't understand like Randy's influence, like how how
33:15
Speaker 1: wide his influence is. I don't know how well known
33:18
Speaker 1: he is in any community, like any conspiracy community or
33:24
Speaker 1: you know, the local community or anything. And so I
33:27
Speaker 1: also he might just be saying whatever, and he's like
33:32
Speaker 1: the person with LME disease who believes in this stuff,
33:34
Speaker 1: who was willing to talk to them, or I mean,
33:37
Speaker 1: but I don't know, like it he might not have
33:39
Speaker 1: even been well known enough to have gotten a visit
33:43
Speaker 1: by the mirage, you know, like that isn't even necessary,
33:47
Speaker 1: Like he could just be a guy who made up
33:49
Speaker 1: this document.
33:49
Speaker 2: I don't know, Yeah, I mean the possibilities are endless.
33:54
Speaker 1: Andy's Sykes.
33:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, I looked it up. There's not much, of course,
33:59
Speaker 2: much out there about him. Yeah, I don't doubt that
34:02
Speaker 2: he's like probably some kind of activist when it comes
34:05
Speaker 2: to stuff like this. But but what I'm getting at
34:07
Speaker 2: is that is the kind of person the government would
34:10
Speaker 2: target with absolutely misinformation and be like, yep, you got
34:14
Speaker 2: your audience, go run with this stupid theory as opposed
34:18
Speaker 2: to what we don't want you to know.
34:20
Speaker 1: No, totally, and I agree with that, but and it's.
34:23
Speaker 2: It's for the same reason, like, who the fuck's Randy?
34:25
Speaker 2: How's he gonna get his hands on shit like this?
34:28
Speaker 1: Exactly?
34:29
Speaker 2: So, now Jesse and Alex the skeptic are getting on
34:33
Speaker 2: that boat so they can head to Plumb Island. The
34:35
Speaker 2: boat's called the Coyote. That's that's cute.
34:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's cool.
34:39
Speaker 2: But then they get on the boat and the captain
34:40
Speaker 2: refuses to take him because police and Homeland security start
34:45
Speaker 2: showing up right as they were about to pull off.
34:47
Speaker 1: They're one step ahead of me at all times.
34:51
Speaker 2: And for some reason, they cut away from that so
34:53
Speaker 2: we can go so June Sarpong can talk to some
34:56
Speaker 2: fucking guy. Yeah, Kansas.
34:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, again, this episode is so scattershot, and he's.
35:03
Speaker 2: He's very worried about hoof and mouth disease, which was
35:07
Speaker 2: super duper in the news in twenty ten, but twenty
35:11
Speaker 2: twenty one, and I feel like those fears were a
35:12
Speaker 2: little unfounded for sure.
35:14
Speaker 1: I mean, again, this is an awful disease that I
35:17
Speaker 1: would hate to have, like.
35:19
Speaker 2: Human to get it. I don't think humans can get it,
35:21
Speaker 2: can they put in?
35:22
Speaker 1: I believe so. I believe there's it's foot and mouth
35:25
Speaker 1: disease is the but I could be totally wrong. But
35:27
Speaker 1: also like in like I was saying at the top
35:30
Speaker 1: of the show, like the even if it's just something
35:33
Speaker 1: to affix cows in livestock, like that could be a
35:37
Speaker 1: huge crisis. But yeah, no, yeah, kids, people can get it. Yeah,
35:42
Speaker 1: you can get It's it's not as bad as in
35:45
Speaker 1: as in animals, but but yeah, like if something were
35:47
Speaker 1: to happen to that, we would be fucked.
35:49
Speaker 2: The editing in this section is maddening. They just keep
35:52
Speaker 2: cutting back and forth between Jesse Ventura and June Sarpong.
35:56
Speaker 2: They're completely different parts of the country talking about completely
35:59
Speaker 2: different snouts. Back to Alex and Jesse, they finally found
36:03
Speaker 2: a captain willing to take him to Plumb Island, a
36:05
Speaker 2: real renegade. He's got a skull and crossbones flag on
36:08
Speaker 2: his boat. He's a pirate essentially.
36:11
Speaker 1: Hell yeah.
36:12
Speaker 2: He's accompanied by a former Plum Island employee named Jim McCoy,
36:16
Speaker 2: who alleges he was fired after threatening to blow the
36:20
Speaker 2: whistle on what they were doing there. And uh, this
36:23
Speaker 2: is where we learned the boat chase was a lot
36:25
Speaker 2: less dramatic than they made it out to be.
36:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It wasn't so much a chase as
36:30
Speaker 1: it was like two boats passing in the.
36:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, just two boats going out to do their respective jobs.
36:38
Speaker 2: The coast guard, Yeah, they just followed them for a
36:40
Speaker 2: little bit, didn't stop them. Jesse venture at one point
36:43
Speaker 2: gets on the edge of the boat and starts shouting
36:45
Speaker 2: at him.
36:47
Speaker 1: That is just his vibe, like that is it feels
36:51
Speaker 1: like he could start doing that at the drop of
36:53
Speaker 1: the hat in basically in these situation.
36:56
Speaker 2: And I don't wish government assassination on anyone, but god,
37:00
Speaker 2: that would have been a funny time for it.
37:02
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's the problem with government assassins is they
37:05
Speaker 1: don't have any comedic timing exactly like they shot Kennedy
37:09
Speaker 1: while he's in a car, yeah.
37:11
Speaker 2: Next to next to his wife, have some respect?
37:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you could. There's so many funnier moments to
37:18
Speaker 1: kill JFK. Like how about while he's banging Marylyn Row right?
37:22
Speaker 2: Uh? Anyway, anyway, moving on, so Jim McCoy. He says
37:30
Speaker 2: he interrupted a meeting at the Administration building while working
37:33
Speaker 2: at Plumb Island, and it sounds like maybe that's why
37:36
Speaker 2: he got fired for crashing this meeting as opposed to
37:40
Speaker 2: asking you know, he asked about security and monitoring inside
37:45
Speaker 2: the bio containment area. So it sounds like he just
37:47
Speaker 2: kicked in the door of this meeting and it was
37:49
Speaker 2: like I have questions.
37:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like it Basically any workplace, if you
37:56
Speaker 1: barged in on a managerial meeting and we're like, look,
38:00
Speaker 1: I have some very serious concerns about the security at
38:03
Speaker 1: this movie theater, they would fucking fire you.
38:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, They're gonna be like, HR will address them, thank you.
38:10
Speaker 2: But he says that for for bringing all this, all
38:15
Speaker 2: these questions up, he was fired. Uh, but who knows.
38:19
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then there's so many people on here who
38:22
Speaker 4: are who just say shit and then provide no evidence,
38:27
Speaker 4: and then you're just like, who knows, I don't know.
38:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a big part of this series in general.
38:33
Speaker 2: So Coastguard shows up again, so they decide they need
38:36
Speaker 2: to leave. He's very mad that as a former governor
38:40
Speaker 2: he's not allowed access to Plumb Island. As we discussed,
38:43
Speaker 2: how come we the people aren't the boss anymore. We're
38:47
Speaker 2: the ones paying salaries of these people, and they deprive
38:51
Speaker 2: us of letting us know what they do on this island.
38:54
Speaker 1: And you know what, He's right, They should just let
38:57
Speaker 1: anyone into the war room. They should just so. You
39:00
Speaker 1: should just have like a velvet rope that you can
39:02
Speaker 1: stand behind and watch the top secret meetings.
39:05
Speaker 2: You couldn't go to Buffalo Wild Wings headquarters and do that.
39:10
Speaker 1: That is so true. There's basically no like. There's security
39:15
Speaker 1: at every corporate headquarters, every building, every major skyscraper has
39:20
Speaker 1: fucking security.
39:21
Speaker 2: And here's how I know that because I have a
39:23
Speaker 2: friend in Clint, who was absolutely obsessed with Buffalo Wild Wings.
39:29
Speaker 2: He would go multiple times a week. He would buy
39:32
Speaker 2: like hundreds of dollars in gift cards around Christmas because
39:36
Speaker 2: if you bought like twenty five dollars worth, you got
39:40
Speaker 2: a five dollars gift card. So it was like just
39:42
Speaker 2: free money he could spend at Buffalo Wild Wings And
39:46
Speaker 2: at one point they're headquarters is in Minneapolis, and at
39:49
Speaker 2: one point he called them and was like, look, I'm
39:52
Speaker 2: an investor, which he is. He was like, I love
39:56
Speaker 2: the store. What do you say? I get like a
39:58
Speaker 2: tour of the headquarters and like the test kitchen and
40:01
Speaker 2: stuff like that. And they were like absolutely not. Who
40:05
Speaker 2: do you think you are?
40:07
Speaker 1: That's extremely funny.
40:09
Speaker 2: I So if Clint can't get into b dubs HQ,
40:13
Speaker 2: Jesse Venture is not getting into Plumb Island.
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Speaker 1: I mean think about it. Nobody could get into Willy
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Speaker 1: Wonka's chocolate factory for decades after he closed the gates exactly,
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Speaker 1: no one went in or out.
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Speaker 2: You gotta have that bioweapon ticket to get into.
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Speaker 1: Plumb Island, Yeah, the radioactive ticket.
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Speaker 2: So they Jesse Ventura goes to ask some questions. He
40:37
Speaker 2: loves talking to a congressman.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because they're accessible, Like congressman got time.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's gonna be another one in the next episode. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: he goes and talks to Congressman Timothy Bishop. He brings
40:51
Speaker 2: up all this stuff about plum Island, like the Nazi thing.
40:53
Speaker 2: That's great, But what's Timothy Bishop gonna do? Like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: he doesn't, he's not He doesn't have any answers, Like
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Speaker 2: he just says he trusts what the government tells him.
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Speaker 1: It's like, oh, which does which? Fucking pissed Jesse off.
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Speaker 1: He repeated that line. He repeats that line five This
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Speaker 1: is the very end of the episode, and at least
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Speaker 1: five more times after this. He says, but I guess
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Speaker 1: I'm just not the type to believe whatever the government
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Speaker 1: kills me. Like that really got under his skin. He was,
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Speaker 1: he was all over that one.
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Speaker 2: I did edit an older episode of this podcast recently.
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Speaker 2: I think you were on it. Danger Van Gorder was
41:36
Speaker 2: on it, and I think Rivers Langley. At one point,
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Speaker 2: Danger said he's pretty sure we know everything bad the
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Speaker 2: government has done because of the Freedom of Information Act
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Speaker 2: request and the room exploded and everyone was like, what
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Speaker 2: the fuck are you talking about? You think we know
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Speaker 2: everything because of the freedom of information?
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Speaker 1: Oh my god.
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Speaker 2: And here's the thing about Danger, He has a run
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Speaker 2: for office a couple of times, So take a job
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Speaker 2: to be like, yeah, man, government works exactly like they
42:10
Speaker 2: say it does exactly. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if I was on that episode, but
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Speaker 1: I you are definitely jumped to a bunch of retorts
42:17
Speaker 1: to that. As soon as you said that, it's like,
42:20
Speaker 1: wait a minute, what we know everything. There's like a
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Speaker 1: fifty year like gap onoy. You gotta like have a
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Speaker 1: bunch of time.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, they they talk about Plumb Islands more with
42:32
Speaker 2: this this congressman, he just talks to more people. I
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Speaker 2: don't know nothing. Yeah, nothing really happens.
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Speaker 1: After he goes to the congressman. That's basically it. Like
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Speaker 1: he he talks to like one or two more people
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Speaker 1: about the same shit and just keeps repeating. You know,
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Speaker 1: maybe some people would believe what the government tells them,
42:51
Speaker 1: but I'm going to keep asking questions.
42:54
Speaker 2: I love that the last line is, uh, if you
42:57
Speaker 2: have a pet, make sure to check it for two.
43:00
Speaker 2: That's just good advice. You could like Bob Barker the
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Speaker 2: end of every episode with that.
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Speaker 1: I was just about to say, it's just like Bob
43:07
Speaker 1: Barker telling you is Spey and Dooder that's so funny.
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Speaker 2: Nine eleven was an inside job. Check your Pets for ticks?
43:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, that should just be his regular sign off. That
43:19
Speaker 1: would be great.
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Speaker 2: That's gonna be the sign off of this podcast from now.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, check.
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Speaker 2: Your pets for ticks everybody. So that's the end of
43:27
Speaker 2: the episode. Jesse Venture is very angry. Yeah, uh, Plumb Island.
43:31
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, I don't doubt that we're working
43:34
Speaker 2: on bio weapons somewhere. Maybe it's at Plumb Island, maybe
43:38
Speaker 2: it's not.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I really don't think off the coast
43:43
Speaker 1: of like the Hamptons is gonna be a place where
43:47
Speaker 1: they put a bio weapons facility because there's a lot
43:50
Speaker 1: of rich people, and rich people will fucking destroy the
43:54
Speaker 1: government if they can.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be a risky place to put it.
43:58
Speaker 2: We would almost certainly put it in another country.
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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
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Speaker 2: It's probably in one of those Pacific islands that we
44:06
Speaker 2: send all the spam to, yeah.
44:08
Speaker 1: Or it's yeah, exactly, or it's probably fucking Guantanamo, like
44:13
Speaker 1: you know, who knows. I don't know. Like I'm not
44:16
Speaker 1: saying that the government isn't doing awful shit, but home Island.
44:20
Speaker 1: You know, we do need places to study animal diseases.
44:24
Speaker 1: It's an important field of work.
44:26
Speaker 2: And if all that's ever washed ashore is lime disease
44:29
Speaker 2: and a weird looking raccoon keivin how long it's been there,
44:32
Speaker 2: that's not bad exactly.
44:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, oh, there is one thing. The one
44:37
Speaker 1: thing we didn't talk about is that, like some I
44:41
Speaker 1: can't remember which guy tells a story about a cow
44:44
Speaker 1: breaking loose from the facility and infecting all of the
44:48
Speaker 1: other cows in the pin and so they had to
44:52
Speaker 1: kill all of the cows. And they make it sound
44:56
Speaker 1: like this is like horrific, like this is a like
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Speaker 1: government corruptioning on. Well I'm like, that's what literally any
45:04
Speaker 1: form would do. You can't keep them alive.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that I am. When they said that, I was like,
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Speaker 2: I imagine that happens all the time, exactly. If one if
45:12
Speaker 2: one cow makes a bunch of cows sick, then right,
45:15
Speaker 2: that's a good way to spread it. You're gonna kill
45:17
Speaker 2: them anyway, right.
45:18
Speaker 1: There's there's not really any other way to handle that situation, honestly, Like,
45:24
Speaker 1: you know, it's unfortunate, but true.
45:26
Speaker 2: You handle it with a well thought out campaign of
45:29
Speaker 2: awareness on social media.
45:31
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, Yeah, tell the cows to wash their hands,
45:35
Speaker 1: and so that's the episode.
45:39
Speaker 2: Uh, next week I think I'm doing I'm going to
45:42
Speaker 2: finish out the I've been doing some solo episodes about
45:46
Speaker 2: a book called the CIA and the Cult of Intelligence,
45:49
Speaker 2: because I'm not going to ask people to read a
45:51
Speaker 2: whole fucking book. And then we will continue this series
45:57
Speaker 2: after that with part two Area fifty one, which how
46:01
Speaker 2: did that not come up on season one? That's such
46:03
Speaker 2: a big one.
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Speaker 1: Seriously that that's wild. They must have been like, we'll
46:09
Speaker 1: wait till we have a bigger budget in the season.
46:12
Speaker 2: So they can storm area fifty one exactly. I'm surprised
46:16
Speaker 2: that exact phrase isn't used at all.
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Speaker 1: In that episode, right, Yeah, yeah, Jesse venturin Naruto runs
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Speaker 1: into the area fifty one.
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Speaker 2: So until then, do we have anything to plug Olivia?
46:30
Speaker 1: How about you can find me on Twitter at high
46:32
Speaker 1: there Hidar if you would like to other than that,
46:36
Speaker 1: not not particularly.
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Speaker 2: Patreon dot com, slash on Pops on Pops networked out,
46:41
Speaker 2: Supercast dot tech. You can subscribe for bonus episodes there also,
46:46
Speaker 2: And I think that's it. Let's get the fuck out
46:48
Speaker 2: of here Olivia say goodbye bye, goodbye everybody. We love you.
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Speaker 1: Expect about another stab, another
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Speaker 4: St