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- 0:00Speaker 1: The most successful mayor in New York City history, told
- 0:02Speaker 1: me something you've got to hear. Not that Ma'm Donnie's incompetent,
- 0:06Speaker 1: not that he's just another socialist, not that he's over
- 0:08Speaker 1: his head. No, no, no, he told me dead serious, mam.
- 0:13Speaker 1: Donnie is doing it on purpose. Rudy Giuliani joins me.
- 0:17Speaker 1: Right now, when you see what's going on in our
- 0:19Speaker 1: great state, the state where you and I are both from,
- 0:21Speaker 1: we're both from Metro New York, what goes through your mind?
- 0:26Speaker 2: They're communists, they have to be the locals. Stupid, She's
- 0:31Speaker 2: too stupid to be a communist. The other guy is
- 0:35Speaker 2: the other guy is a socialist. He's a complete socialist.
- 0:38Speaker 2: He's completely unrealistic. That they have no idea about money
- 0:45Speaker 2: or what money does or how it operates. Or they're
- 0:50Speaker 2: losing more people than any state in the country. Well,
- 0:54Speaker 2: that's not right. They're in a contest with New Jersey
- 0:57Speaker 2: and California right right, year in New York loses more,
- 1:01Speaker 2: the next year in New Jersey, the year after California.
- 1:04Speaker 2: They're losing people at a very serious level. Since he
- 1:09Speaker 2: got elected, it's gone up to numbers that are almost
- 1:12Speaker 2: impossible to track on a daily basis. All they're gonna
- 1:17Speaker 2: do is lose more people. After a while, they're occupying
- 1:20Speaker 2: rich people to tax. I mean you're you're at the point.
- 1:24Speaker 2: You're at the point at which there'll be no one
- 1:26Speaker 2: at tax and the city will fold. Technically, the city
- 1:31Speaker 2: right now is in bankruptcy. It's gonna it's gonna spend
- 1:34Speaker 2: about five billion more than it has. And he's and
- 1:39Speaker 2: and he's instead of trying to figure out how do
- 1:41Speaker 2: you fix that, he's trying to figure out how to
- 1:43Speaker 2: spend more money. And even the city Council, and that
- 1:47Speaker 2: you may I don't know if you remember, but the
- 1:50Speaker 2: New York City Council was always to the left of
- 1:52Speaker 2: almost any mayor I can think of, including Dinkins, Yes
- 1:55Speaker 2: and Adams for example. The city Council was wait, it
- 1:58Speaker 2: was left the city Council. I used to think of
- 2:01Speaker 2: the City Council as the craziest group of socialist morons
- 2:05Speaker 2: I had ever met. The City Council is trying to
- 2:09Speaker 2: stop them from raising taxes. And these people are are
- 2:16Speaker 2: almost u thorough going, uh left wingers. You couldn't get
- 2:21Speaker 2: more left wing than the New York City. They voted
- 2:23Speaker 2: for non citizens to vote, even though the state constitution
- 2:27Speaker 2: says you have to be as good as it. They
- 2:31Speaker 2: just they put out they put out uh resolutions. You
- 2:36Speaker 2: know when Castro is alive, how great Castro is. Uh.
- 2:40Speaker 2: They were very they were. They were broken hearted over
- 2:43Speaker 2: Maduro being being captured. Yet they don't want to raise
- 2:48Speaker 2: to access.
- 2:49Speaker 1: So that's something.
- 2:51Speaker 2: This is the definition. This is This isn't this is
- 2:54Speaker 2: an attempt to destroy New York City.
- 2:57Speaker 1: Well here's here's the point, though, Rudy and I don't
- 3:00Speaker 1: want to get past the city council yet because you
- 3:02Speaker 1: somehow figured out how to work for them or with them,
- 3:06Speaker 1: and you somehow, you somehow got them to do your bidding.
- 3:09Speaker 1: And they were not Republican, they were not conservative, but
- 3:12Speaker 1: they were people who loved the city. There's something different
- 3:14Speaker 1: going on right now because I look at New York City,
- 3:16Speaker 1: a city that you love and I love. I'm from Kopeg,
- 3:18Speaker 1: I'm from Amityville. I'm from as the as a crow flies.
- 3:21Speaker 1: I'm like twenty minutes away from New York City. You're
- 3:23Speaker 1: from Brooklyn, right.
- 3:25Speaker 2: So right, right, I lived in Garden City for a while.
- 3:28Speaker 1: Right, So we're looking at the city that we love
- 3:31Speaker 1: and that a lot of people that are watching and
- 3:33Speaker 1: listening also love. And we're seeing people who hate it
- 3:36Speaker 1: who are running it. I don't understand. So let me
- 3:40Speaker 1: take you back to when you were elected. You take
- 3:42Speaker 1: office in what ninety four, right, New York City, and
- 3:45Speaker 1: New York has had enough of the vice. They had
- 3:46Speaker 1: enough of the disordid activity going on, the prostitution, they
- 3:49Speaker 1: enough the drugs, enough of the mob families doing what
- 3:52Speaker 1: they were doing. They had had enough, and they held
- 3:55Speaker 1: their nose and said, I'm going to vote for somebody
- 3:56Speaker 1: who's a Republican. And you were by far the best
- 3:59Speaker 1: mayor in the modern times in New York City, by far.
- 4:02Speaker 1: PATTACKI somehow wins in Albany, the state finally said we've
- 4:06Speaker 1: had enough, Rudy, It's way worse now than when you
- 4:09Speaker 1: took over. How did we get here?
- 4:12Speaker 2: Started with the Bosio We were we were really had
- 4:17Speaker 2: a golden age. If you combine my uh my years
- 4:22Speaker 2: with with with Bloomberg and Bloomberg. Bloomberg, although on certain
- 4:28Speaker 2: issues was a social left left winger, he was very
- 4:32Speaker 2: sound on law enforcement and on the economy.
- 4:35Speaker 1: And he loves the city. That makes a difference.
- 4:37Speaker 2: Hey, any care he made. He made decisions in the
- 4:40Speaker 2: best interests of the city. Every once in a while
- 4:43Speaker 2: they'd be way far to the left, but he really
- 4:45Speaker 2: believed they were in the best interests of the city.
- 4:48Speaker 2: But but but actually on law enforcement and on economics,
- 4:53Speaker 2: he was essentially a middle, middle of the road, a
- 4:57Speaker 2: normal person and a very intelligent guy.
- 4:59Speaker 1: And he depended a lot of what you did.
- 5:02Speaker 2: He did and he and he built on it. I
- 5:04Speaker 2: mean both as you should. So we go, We go
- 5:07Speaker 2: through twenty years of probably some of the best twenty
- 5:11Speaker 2: years the city ever had. Debasio comes in to Bosio
- 5:15Speaker 2: is a communist. His mother was a communist. But I'm
- 5:17Speaker 2: telling you he's a communist. That's not a joke. It's right,
- 5:20Speaker 2: it's a it's a it's a reality. And he supported
- 5:25Speaker 2: the sand in East as he went to Cuba on
- 5:27Speaker 2: his honeymoon, all that kind of craziness.
- 5:28Speaker 1: Wow.
- 5:29Speaker 2: And he began it. He began completely distorting the city,
- 5:34Speaker 2: putting the budget way out of control. He's the first
- 5:40Speaker 2: one to defund the police by a billion dollars. You
- 5:44Speaker 2: put all that together, and the city's in pretty bad shape.
- 5:47Speaker 2: When Adams takes over, right, Adams makes an attempt to
- 5:52Speaker 2: straighten it out. But he never had a city. He
- 5:55Speaker 2: never figured out how to get the city council on
- 5:57Speaker 2: his side. He started kind of a year a year
- 6:01Speaker 2: into his mayoralty. You didn't start right away, and it
- 6:05Speaker 2: didn't work. He didn't make it worse, but he couldn't
- 6:09Speaker 2: really make it very much better. So now we're in
- 6:15Speaker 2: we're in pretty much the kind of condition we were
- 6:18Speaker 2: in when I got into office. Change in numbers a
- 6:21Speaker 2: little and adjust for inflation. And he's doing exactly the
- 6:27Speaker 2: opposite of what I did when I came in. I
- 6:30Speaker 2: cut government right. I cut government because if I didn't,
- 6:34Speaker 2: I was going to I was going to encourage the
- 6:36Speaker 2: last twenty percent of New york Is to leave. And
- 6:40Speaker 2: I had to. I said to myself, it was a
- 6:42Speaker 2: common sense exercise. They wanted me to raise taxes almost everybody,
- 6:47Speaker 2: and I said, well, if I raise taxes now, I'm
- 6:50Speaker 2: going to lose more rich people, right two years from now,
- 6:53Speaker 2: after raise taxes again, and then again and then again,
- 6:57Speaker 2: and then when does it end. It ends when the
- 7:00Speaker 2: he becomes you know, old New York City used to
- 7:02Speaker 2: be a great city, is what they'll be saying about it.
- 7:06Speaker 2: And I did exactly the opposite. It worked brilliantly, so
- 7:10Speaker 2: you would think he'd follow that. I mean, he's got
- 7:13Speaker 2: he can look at it and you can see. He
- 7:15Speaker 2: can look at nineteen ninety four and he can see.
- 7:17Speaker 2: By nineteen ninety seven we had a surplus. He could see.
- 7:21Speaker 2: By nineteen ninety eight, we were considered the urban comeback.
- 7:26Speaker 2: We were on the front cover of Time magazine as
- 7:28Speaker 2: the example of urban renaissance, the best city for poor people.
- 7:34Speaker 2: This is before I was a Trump Republican. So they
- 7:38Speaker 2: actually liked me and wrote the truth about me and
- 7:43Speaker 2: why you would why you would do something opposite of
- 7:46Speaker 2: that has to be ideology. It has to be insane ideology.
- 7:52Speaker 2: But it's worse than that. He's want to talk. He's
- 7:56Speaker 2: with Islamic. He's an Islamic extremist supporter. I didn't say Islamic,
- 8:03Speaker 2: I said Islamic terrorist supporter.
- 8:08Speaker 1: Well he is, no, no, he supports the theocracy in Iran.
- 8:12Speaker 1: He literally is of of the same version of Islam
- 8:15Speaker 1: as though what the Ayatolas are. But he lively hit
- 8:18Speaker 1: it and I want to talk about this. It's Rudy Giuliani.
- 8:20Speaker 1: Go check him out. Rudigiliani dot com check out his
- 8:22Speaker 1: show every night. It's unbelievable how great this this guy is.
- 8:25Speaker 1: I watch just to learn how to do what I do,
- 8:27Speaker 1: so rudy as I'm watching it unfold. And I don't
- 8:30Speaker 1: want to insult New Yorkers. I'm a New Yorker. I
- 8:32Speaker 1: love New York, but there's something wrong in their brains
- 8:35Speaker 1: that I always think we're smarter than we are. Yet
- 8:38Speaker 1: they fell for this idiot saying affordability. They felt for
- 8:41Speaker 1: him saying I'm gonna give you a free bus fare.
- 8:43Speaker 1: They fail for this guy say I'm going to give
- 8:44Speaker 1: you free grocery stores, and then he takes office and says,
- 8:47Speaker 1: no free bus fair. I'm raising taxes on all the
- 8:49Speaker 1: employers that live here, and if you leave, we want
- 8:52Speaker 1: to charge you at tax before we will let you
- 8:54Speaker 1: leave the city. So the simple question is this, why
- 8:58Speaker 1: are New Yorkers, who are very you and I agree,
- 9:00Speaker 1: they're very smart people, very savvy people. Why did they
- 9:03Speaker 1: fall for the Yoki dog? Why did they buy this
- 9:05Speaker 1: guy when he was lying in their faces.
- 9:08Speaker 2: Everything you're saying, Pegs is absolutely true, It's absolutely correct,
- 9:13Speaker 2: and I'm gonna have to give you a terrible answer.
- 9:15Speaker 2: I don't know what. First of all, many of them
- 9:18Speaker 2: don't vote. I think if you could get them out
- 9:21Speaker 2: of their houses and force them to vote, he would
- 9:26Speaker 2: not be the mayor. But we get terrible to I've
- 9:29Speaker 2: forgotten what the turnout was in the last election, but
- 9:32Speaker 2: it was, you know, twenty to thirty percent. Lesson it
- 9:34Speaker 2: was when I ran. De Blasio got reelected after being
- 9:39Speaker 2: a horrible mayor for four years. Not only that, you
- 9:43Speaker 2: couldn't find a person in the city that thought he
- 9:45Speaker 2: was a good mayor and he got re elected. Hard
- 9:49Speaker 2: to explain. If you go in New York now and
- 9:52Speaker 2: you go ask people about Mondom, they're all going to
- 9:56Speaker 2: agree with you.
- 9:57Speaker 1: Yeah, and they all have reborts, Rudy, they all have
- 9:59Speaker 1: remorts doing it. But again, the guy just stood in
- 10:02Speaker 1: the street with a fake smile. I mean, this isn't
- 10:04Speaker 1: the same guy we have using fake accents, the same
- 10:07Speaker 1: guy eating with his hands in videos, the same guy
- 10:09Speaker 1: saying I'm gonna free everybody from Rikers Island. This guy
- 10:12Speaker 1: said those things on video and they elected him somehow.
- 10:16Speaker 1: What did I miss? Because if you and I lived there,
- 10:18Speaker 1: we'd make sure that we go and vote. Is it
- 10:19Speaker 1: about voter apathy is it about about? The Democrats are
- 10:23Speaker 1: relying on people not voting.
- 10:26Speaker 2: Apathy people about voting. The enthusiasm level is all to
- 10:31Speaker 2: the left. So the only enthusiastic people about politics in
- 10:35Speaker 2: New York are the left wing nuts. I mean they
- 10:39Speaker 2: win the primary, they win the Democratic primaries, right right.
- 10:42Speaker 2: You put him in it, you put it. You put
- 10:43Speaker 2: a left wing candidate in the Democratic primary. Uh, left
- 10:48Speaker 2: wing candidate is gonna win. Then you put him in
- 10:50Speaker 2: the general election, person is gonna We we elect the
- 10:54Speaker 2: most left candidate. And the reason is people. A lot
- 10:59Speaker 2: of people don't vote, but we do have a very
- 11:02Speaker 2: very strong thirty thirty five percent maybe forty percent, very
- 11:09Speaker 2: very left whatever whatever, whatever left wing fed there is,
- 11:14Speaker 2: New York will be part of it and adopt it.
- 11:17Speaker 2: Sixty percent of the people are probably against it, but
- 11:20Speaker 2: they they've also given up. They don't believe they're vote countants.
- 11:26Speaker 2: They don't believe Republicans can win. Why should I vote
- 11:30Speaker 2: my voting count?
- 11:32Speaker 1: Wow?
- 11:32Speaker 2: So having done, the Republican Party is pathetic in New York.
- 11:37Speaker 2: It never it never it never, it never really meant much.
- 11:40Speaker 2: I had to build my own party so to protag it.
- 11:44Speaker 1: Well, what I don't understand why doesn't the Republican Party
- 11:46Speaker 1: do a better job. Why can't you find like Andrew
- 11:48Speaker 1: Giuliani would have been a much better choice than what
- 11:50Speaker 1: we had last time. I love Curtis Lee, but he wasn't.
- 11:53Speaker 1: He didn't have a chance to win, not by the numbers.
- 11:55Speaker 1: And then people are pushing for Cuomo for God's sake,
- 11:58Speaker 1: really we want a Cuoma will he'd be better them.
- 12:00Speaker 1: I'm donnie, why isn't there a young, up and coming
- 12:02Speaker 1: Rudy Giuliani, you know, sort of formed after candidate that
- 12:06Speaker 1: can say I love New York. I'm gonna do it
- 12:08Speaker 1: because Rudy, will you come out and say publicly, I
- 12:11Speaker 1: want you to come back to New York. This is
- 12:13Speaker 1: what Kathie Hookles said yesterday. I'm gonna raise your taxes.
- 12:16Speaker 1: I want you to write a check, so come back
- 12:18Speaker 1: to New York so I can fleece you. Wouldn't it
- 12:20Speaker 1: be smart to say what Rudy Giuliani said, If you
- 12:22Speaker 1: bring business here, we'll give you a tax abatement. If
- 12:25Speaker 1: you bring some more jobs here, we'll give you a
- 12:27Speaker 1: tax break. Wouldn't that help the economy more than what
- 12:29Speaker 1: they're saying So why isn't there that person who's thirty,
- 12:32Speaker 1: forty fifty years old who says, I love New York.
- 12:35Speaker 1: I'm born and raised here. I'm sick of seeing a
- 12:36Speaker 1: goal like this, and we can fix it. Where is
- 12:38Speaker 1: that guy or gal?
- 12:40Speaker 2: That person? Doesn't that person exists in an atmosphere in
- 12:44Speaker 2: which there isn't no hope. They would have to bring
- 12:48Speaker 2: that to the They'd have to bring that to the table.
- 12:50Speaker 2: We could find someone like that, but we'd have to
- 12:53Speaker 2: get lucky. It'd have to come out of the person themselves.
- 12:57Speaker 1: Yeah, because everyone.
- 12:58Speaker 2: Would tell them. Look, when I ran from I had
- 13:01Speaker 2: a great advantage. I had tremendous name recognition. I was
- 13:04Speaker 2: the US Attorney, right, I probably I probably had an
- 13:08Speaker 2: approval rating, you know, way beyond I ever had as
- 13:10Speaker 2: a mayor, because everybody approved of what I did as
- 13:12Speaker 2: the US Attorney, and every every friend of mine, good friends,
- 13:17Speaker 2: people who care about me, said to me, terrible mistake, Rudy,
- 13:21Speaker 2: What are you doing? Why are you running for a mayor?
- 13:24Speaker 2: First of all, you're going to lose, and second you
- 13:27Speaker 2: can't do the job. Nobody can do it. I don't
- 13:29Speaker 2: know if you remember they used to be books two
- 13:31Speaker 2: of them written saying New York cannot be governed.
- 13:35Speaker 1: Wow, I just didn't believe it.
- 13:38Speaker 2: I just said to myself that New York is a
- 13:42Speaker 2: creature of human beings. This is some kind of a
- 13:45Speaker 2: plague on New York. Of course it could be governed.
- 13:48Speaker 2: You just have to do it right.
- 13:51Speaker 1: And the thing is, the way that you were governing, though,
- 13:53Speaker 1: wasn't what we think today as traditional government. You gave
- 13:56Speaker 1: more freedom, more liberty, more safety, and security back on crime.
- 14:01Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you were governing the bad stuff right
- 14:03Speaker 1: the hell out of the city. But if you lived
- 14:05Speaker 1: in New York City during Rudy Giuliani's run, you were
- 14:07Speaker 1: a much safer, much more secure, and you had more
- 14:10Speaker 1: money in your pocket. New Yorker, you were somebody who
- 14:12Speaker 1: didn't feel the overwhelming thumb of the government on your neck.
- 14:16Speaker 1: Ma'm Donnie wants to take more of your money, ma'am
- 14:18Speaker 1: Doanni wants to the city to own your building that
- 14:21Speaker 1: you own. Ma'm Donnie wants to take over the schools.
- 14:23Speaker 1: And he also wants to go in front of a
- 14:25Speaker 1: microphone and say things like, well, Mohammed said, migration missed
- 14:29Speaker 1: that and the other I'm like, what am I looking
- 14:30Speaker 1: at here, how is this my city? So as much
- 14:33Speaker 1: as I agree with you that you governed it better,
- 14:35Speaker 1: it didn't feel that way. Does that make sense? It
- 14:40Speaker 1: felt more freedom?
- 14:42Speaker 2: I don't exactly, I don't exactly follow that. What I mean.
- 14:47Speaker 1: What I mean is you governed, but the people felt safer,
- 14:50Speaker 1: more secure, lower regulations, lower taxation, and more freedom. When
- 14:55Speaker 1: you have more freedom, you're not feeling the weight of government.
- 14:58Speaker 2: Oh no, not at all. I mean, we we made,
- 15:00Speaker 2: we made, We tried as hard as possible to make
- 15:03Speaker 2: government as irrelevant as possible.
- 15:05Speaker 1: Yes, exactly right, which is the key to success.
- 15:08Speaker 2: I mean, but that's but that, what I'm describing to
- 15:11Speaker 2: you is completely inconsistent with a socialist or a communist. Look,
- 15:16Speaker 2: he's doing exactly the same things that Zizien Ming is
- 15:20Speaker 2: doing in China. Yes, the Chinese economy, if we can judge,
- 15:25Speaker 2: because it's hard to look inside China, is actually in
- 15:29Speaker 2: terrible condition. And one of the big complaints even by
- 15:32Speaker 2: the Chinese communist is that Zijian Ming's answer is more government,
- 15:37Speaker 2: more central government, more government control, more government plans. And
- 15:41Speaker 2: they're beginning to say, we're going to blow up if
- 15:44Speaker 2: you keep doing this. Yeah, well, he's doing the same thing.
- 15:48Speaker 2: He's following Stalin, he's following Zizian ming uh and it's
- 15:54Speaker 2: a recipe for disaster for New York. I believe he's
- 15:59Speaker 2: doing wring it on purpose because I think he hates us.
- 16:03Speaker 2: I think he hates American American freedom, American democracy, American capitalism,
- 16:08Speaker 2: are founding fathers everything we stand for. Now you put
- 16:12Speaker 2: on top of it that he's a very very extreme
- 16:16Speaker 2: follower of Mohammed and someone who's he takes the old
- 16:23Speaker 2: of office on a book that tells them to kill us.
- 16:27Speaker 2: I mean, the Quran is a book that is a
- 16:31Speaker 2: murder manual. And I know I'll get in terrible troubles
- 16:35Speaker 2: saying that, but I don't care. I mean, what do
- 16:37Speaker 2: they can put another fat woe on me. They've done
- 16:38Speaker 2: about four and they tried to kill me twice once
- 16:41Speaker 2: in Albania.
- 16:42Speaker 1: Has worked well, No, it hasn't worked well. They try
- 16:44Speaker 1: to kill you New.
- 16:45Speaker 2: York from the time he began it. It's a murder cult.
- 16:48Speaker 2: It has some good people that belong to it, but
- 16:51Speaker 2: they're they're still operating on a book. Well, you've got
- 16:55Speaker 2: to throw out about a quarter of its pages. I mean,
- 16:58Speaker 2: right in the right there it You shouldn't be friends
- 17:00Speaker 2: with Christians and Jews. You should slip that throads if
- 17:04Speaker 2: you want, if you want to allow them to live,
- 17:07Speaker 2: they're going to have to be slaves. Now, how how
- 17:10Speaker 2: can you possibly uh, how can you possibly go around
- 17:14Speaker 2: saying this is a great book and Muhammad's a perfect man. Yeah,
- 17:17Speaker 2: he's a perfect man, except he was a mass murderer
- 17:19Speaker 2: and a pedophipt.
- 17:20Speaker 1: Yeah. Now I listen, I don't disagree. And again, let
- 17:24Speaker 1: me reiterate something that I just learned a few days ago.
- 17:26Speaker 1: His the Islam that he follows is exactly what the
- 17:29Speaker 1: Iahtolas follow. He is a Shia of that same exact ILK.
- 17:32Speaker 1: He's not a Sunnis. He's not not somebody who's peaceful.
- 17:35Speaker 1: He's somebody who actually comes from that that ilk. That's
- 17:38Speaker 1: why he talked about on Saint Patrick's Day in New York.
- 17:41Speaker 1: He talked about the genocide in Gaza. For God's sakes.
- 17:44Speaker 1: What so, Rudy, let me ask you this, do you
- 17:47Speaker 1: think that the people of New York have the wherewithal
- 17:49Speaker 1: to rise up and go, oh crap, I was asleep,
- 17:51Speaker 1: Now I'm awake. We can't let this continue because he
- 17:53Speaker 1: can't succeed. His level of success would be to ruin
- 17:57Speaker 1: the city. And I think Kathy Hoochel is in his
- 17:59Speaker 1: pocket where she's gonna ruin the entire state as I
- 18:01Speaker 1: sayd two hundred and forty three billion dollar budget, and
- 18:03Speaker 1: she's begging people to come back and write a check
- 18:05Speaker 1: that's not gonna work. Will the people rise up like
- 18:08Speaker 1: they did in ninety four and say we need another
- 18:10Speaker 1: routie or we need to at least get this guy
- 18:11Speaker 1: out of here because he's no good. Got to tell
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- 19:19Speaker 2: All I can tell you is I hope. So I
- 19:24Speaker 2: kind of thought that when he got elected, I was
- 19:28Speaker 2: actually in favor in comparison to Culomo electing him because
- 19:35Speaker 2: of what you're saying, because I thought the city would
- 19:37Speaker 2: get to see, yeah, the stupidity of its choices, because
- 19:42Speaker 2: Cuomo was him, except he'd pretended he wasn't. He goes
- 19:47Speaker 2: anytime the left wing leaned on CMO, he went way.
- 19:51Speaker 2: For example, all the crime issues that we have, all
- 19:54Speaker 2: the laws that were passed. It put about seven to
- 19:58Speaker 2: ten thousand criminals on the street that be in jail
- 20:00Speaker 2: if I was mayor were passed by Cuomo. I'll give
- 20:03Speaker 2: you one law that he passed. He changed the parole rules,
- 20:06Speaker 2: and there are forty seven cop killers walking around on
- 20:10Speaker 2: the streets of the city who have been paroled or
- 20:12Speaker 2: put out of jail because of Cloma.
- 20:14Speaker 1: Wow.
- 20:15Speaker 2: I mean, so Cuomo would have done two thirds of
- 20:19Speaker 2: what he did and we'd be marching towards there. There.
- 20:23Speaker 2: I thought that, well, it's time now, if you really
- 20:26Speaker 2: want this, vote for it and see what happens with
- 20:29Speaker 2: the hope that they would rise up against it. So far,
- 20:32Speaker 2: that's not happening. I don't feel that right now. Now
- 20:35Speaker 2: we still have time. He's got, you know, three more
- 20:39Speaker 2: years in office, and there's a lot more damage he
- 20:42Speaker 2: has in store for us. I hope there comes a
- 20:45Speaker 2: point that that happens, and then there has to Then
- 20:48Speaker 2: we have to be lucky like we were in finding
- 20:51Speaker 2: in finding Ronald Reagan at the right time, or Donald
- 20:55Speaker 2: Trump at the right time, or me. We have to
- 20:58Speaker 2: find somebody like one of ours, us that is willing
- 21:02Speaker 2: to go against the grain. And in New York you're
- 21:05Speaker 2: going to pay a terrible price for it. They're going
- 21:07Speaker 2: to try to ruin you should you get maybe try
- 21:10Speaker 2: to kill you. I don't know, I mean, but I
- 21:13Speaker 2: mean they they they turned me into a public monster
- 21:17Speaker 2: as best they could. Except I did what I was
- 21:21Speaker 2: on radio. I was on radio and television every day constantly.
- 21:26Speaker 2: Newsday did an editorial about six months into not an
- 21:30Speaker 2: editorial front page, and an editorial front page a picture
- 21:34Speaker 2: of me with a microphone in front of me like this,
- 21:36Speaker 2: and they said, air Routie. He's never off the air.
- 21:40Speaker 2: When does he have time to do his job as mayor? Well,
- 21:43Speaker 2: that was part of my job as mayor. Absolutely I
- 21:47Speaker 2: had to. I had to interpret myself to people before
- 21:51Speaker 2: they ruined me, before they lied about me. Well, isn't
- 21:54Speaker 2: that what Donald Trump is doing right now with a
- 21:56Speaker 2: two hour press conference.
- 21:57Speaker 1: Yes, the most transparent presidency I've ever seen in my life. Ever.
- 22:02Speaker 2: He has to do that. He has to do that.
- 22:05Speaker 2: He has to be explaining himself otherwise. You know, if
- 22:09Speaker 2: you read the European newspapers, I've just got finished doing
- 22:12Speaker 2: a little survey of them for my show We're Losing
- 22:15Speaker 2: the War.
- 22:17Speaker 1: Can you imagine the Emirates?
- 22:18Speaker 2: The Emirates is getting ruined? Wow, there have been only
- 22:23Speaker 2: six deaths in the Emirates. They've shot they've shot off
- 22:26Speaker 2: about six thousand bombs and they've killed six people. Now,
- 22:31Speaker 2: that's terrible, it's awful. My heart goes down to the
- 22:34Speaker 2: six people.
- 22:35Speaker 1: Right.
- 22:36Speaker 2: But that's not winning a war, my friend. Yeah, that's
- 22:41Speaker 2: being an absolutely innofit. Or they'll say this is a
- 22:45Speaker 2: brilliant asymmetrical war being fought by I don't know who's
- 22:49Speaker 2: left to fight. The asymmetrical war is. Look, they're attacking
- 22:53Speaker 2: all those Arab countries because the Arab countries will put
- 22:57Speaker 2: pressure on Trump and the war they're not. The Arab
- 23:01Speaker 2: countries are now telling them, will you please finish this
- 23:05Speaker 2: regime off?
- 23:06Speaker 1: Yeah, you've had it. No, they're done it. They've had
- 23:08Speaker 1: them for forty seven years, one hundred percent. They're done far.
- 23:10Speaker 2: Enough to know if they survive, a rand will come
- 23:13Speaker 2: after them again. So it isn't working. Nothing they're doing
- 23:17Speaker 2: is working. Even Hermos Hermos had to happen. It's a
- 23:23Speaker 2: force of nature because of the of the way they
- 23:25Speaker 2: decided to export oil oil for seventy eighty years.
- 23:31Speaker 1: Right, But we'll overcome it.
- 23:32Speaker 2: It's a matter, it's a matter of having to have
- 23:34Speaker 2: a little sacrifice for a little while but.
- 23:39Speaker 1: I want to finish on New York this week as
- 23:40Speaker 1: soon as.
- 23:41Speaker 2: We stop them. Yeah, I'm blocking that, and that'll take
- 23:44Speaker 2: a week or two and they'll be finished. Finished.
- 23:48Speaker 1: Well, it would take a short amount of time if
- 23:50Speaker 1: our friends in Europe helped out, but I guess they're
- 23:52Speaker 1: too afraid to. At Rudy Giuliani Rudygiliani dot com, check
- 23:55Speaker 1: out the Rudy Giuliani Show and anything he does, go
- 23:57Speaker 1: and follow him everywhere. Let me finish on New York
- 23:59Speaker 1: this way. The mayor of New York has a ton
- 24:01Speaker 1: of power, has a ton of ability to make things
- 24:07Speaker 1: that he wants in that city. But the governor also
- 24:10Speaker 1: has to agree to some things all but he plays
- 24:11Speaker 1: a big role as well. Should we get a Republican
- 24:14Speaker 1: governor in there, can that person bring down what Mamdani
- 24:18Speaker 1: is doing. Is there any control from Albany that can
- 24:21Speaker 1: tell him stop doing this? You're ruining the state, You're
- 24:23Speaker 1: ruining the city.
- 24:25Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot, a lot of the budget in New
- 24:27Speaker 2: York comes from from the state. They probably between the
- 24:32Speaker 2: federal government and the state government. So if you continued,
- 24:35Speaker 2: you know, if you had two more years of Trump
- 24:37Speaker 2: or and then a Republican and they work together together,
- 24:41Speaker 2: they could have an enormous amount of impact on New
- 24:44Speaker 2: York and the White House could too. They really should
- 24:49Speaker 2: begin a massive investigation of fraud in New York. I mean,
- 24:54Speaker 2: it would be very fruitful. I'll give you one example,
- 24:58Speaker 2: and I'll tell you the whole whole story. The budget
- 25:00Speaker 2: of the New York City is larger than the budget
- 25:04Speaker 2: of the state of Florida. Oh wow, So New York
- 25:06Speaker 2: City spends more money than the entire state of Florida.
- 25:09Speaker 2: New York City has eight point five million people. Florida
- 25:12Speaker 2: has twenty two million people. What do you think that
- 25:16Speaker 2: money is for?
- 25:16Speaker 1: You know what it's for.
- 25:18Speaker 2: It's free kickbacks. It's for the public officials giving massive
- 25:24Speaker 2: way way accelerated prices and contracts to their buddies and
- 25:31Speaker 2: then carving it up, particularly all of the welfare programs,
- 25:36Speaker 2: which is all we spend money on anyway, and they've
- 25:39Speaker 2: been doing it. They've been doing this in London, Johnson.
- 25:41Speaker 2: I mean, the Democrat Party in New York is thoroughly,
- 25:45Speaker 2: from top to bottom corrupt. It is systemically corrupt. The
- 25:48Speaker 2: judges are corrupt. They decide political cases based on what
- 25:52Speaker 2: the people who put them in office. Tell them the
- 25:54Speaker 2: county leaders. If you're a Republican boy, you might as
- 25:58Speaker 2: well you're going to veteran Russia or China.
- 26:02Speaker 1: Well, i'd say that that's a startling statement. It really is.
- 26:05Speaker 1: But I can't believe the budget is larger than it
- 26:07Speaker 1: is of Florida. And you're right, it's all about kickbacks,
- 26:09Speaker 1: it's all about fraud, it's about waste, it's about abuse.
- 26:12Speaker 1: But if you try to take even a dime away ruty,
- 26:14Speaker 1: what do they say. You're taking services away from people
- 26:17Speaker 1: who need them. You're taking housing away from homeless, You're
- 26:20Speaker 1: taking food away from starving kids. I mean, this is
- 26:22Speaker 1: the lie, and for some reason people fall for it.
- 26:25Speaker 2: If we were if we were doing that for the
- 26:27Speaker 2: last sixty or seventy years of Democrat government in New York,
- 26:32Speaker 2: the poor people will be oh, be billionaires. We spent
- 26:35Speaker 2: so much money.
- 26:36Speaker 1: It didn't work. I guess it didn't work.
- 26:38Speaker 2: Instead, the Democratic congressman become millionaires like Charlie Wrangele, who
- 26:43Speaker 2: didn't have a penny dies, you know, worth thirty million.
- 26:49Speaker 2: My predecessor and the guy that I eventually beat, David Dinkins,
- 26:53Speaker 2: becomes a multi millionaire in office by voting for Inn.
- 26:57Speaker 1: City Broadcasting, right.
- 26:59Speaker 2: I mean that the politicians in New York are one
- 27:03Speaker 2: after or another. They sell out the people in New York,
- 27:07Speaker 2: particularly the members of Congress. I mean all of them.
- 27:12Speaker 2: You go, you go audit them, and my god, if
- 27:14Speaker 2: you can't, if you can't put at least a few
- 27:17Speaker 2: of them in jail, you shouldn't be a prosecutor ordered
- 27:20Speaker 2: any any ordered anyone of the big money uh dependency programs.
- 27:27Speaker 2: That's where that big gap in the budget has taking place.
- 27:31Speaker 2: I mean, we spend more money on Medicaid than we print.
- 27:34Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's insane. Uh. You go, you go, ask,
- 27:38Speaker 2: you go, try to find the people they're servicing. They
- 27:41Speaker 2: don't exist. The people are dead, You're made up. They
- 27:44Speaker 2: moved out of the city fifty years ago. And if
- 27:48Speaker 2: you think Minneapolis, I mean Minneapolis is a minor league
- 27:53Speaker 2: rendition of New York.
- 27:54Speaker 1: I can't even imagine. Yeah, nine or nine or eighteen
- 27:56Speaker 1: billion of Minneapolis. We're not sure which one it is.
- 27:58Speaker 1: It's Rudi Giuliani, Rudigili. I would be remiss to not
- 28:02Speaker 1: go here. I gonta want to switch gears big time. Rudy,
- 28:05Speaker 1: have you been vindicated on the election from twenty because
- 28:09Speaker 1: of the information that's coming out of Georgia, at Americopa County, Arizona,
- 28:12Speaker 1: out of Michigan. I had a guy on, former CIA
- 28:15Speaker 1: whistleblower came on and he said, absolutely, Serbia, Iran, China,
- 28:20Speaker 1: and very specifically Venezuela affected the outcome of our elections
- 28:24Speaker 1: in this in this country. Have you been vindicated or
- 28:27Speaker 1: do we not know enough yet?
- 28:29Speaker 2: Well? I believe I've been vindicated. We don't We don't
- 28:32Speaker 2: publish enough, or we don't emphasize it enough, or we
- 28:36Speaker 2: hide it or to this day, the Wall Street Journal
- 28:40Speaker 2: describing Donald Trump will say, once again, the president falsely
- 28:46Speaker 2: stated that the election was fixed. So they have they
- 28:51Speaker 2: have decided that there's a truth written in stone that
- 28:55Speaker 2: the election was legitimate. And even though there are now
- 28:59Speaker 2: oh six hundred thousand ballots in Georgia that have either
- 29:06Speaker 2: been destroyed or are completely uncertified, six hundred thousand, the
- 29:11Speaker 2: vast majority, if not all, of them from Democrat areas,
- 29:17Speaker 2: they're still insisting that you know, the election wasn't stolen. Pennsylvania.
- 29:24Speaker 2: The numbers change in Pennsylvania every time you count Wisconsin
- 29:30Speaker 2: has a definitive report from a judge explaining how the
- 29:35Speaker 2: Supreme Court shate have overturned the election because they didn't
- 29:38Speaker 2: have certifications for ballots that, according to the law of Wisconsin,
- 29:42Speaker 2: should be declared invalid, but the Supreme Court decided that
- 29:46Speaker 2: it'd be too harsh and Remedy. I just gave you
- 29:49Speaker 2: three states to change the election. You want to go
- 29:51Speaker 2: look at Arizona, Michigan.
- 29:54Speaker 1: Absolutely listen. At the end of the day, we now
- 29:56Speaker 1: have concrete fact that with these legacy media, what you're
- 30:00Speaker 1: saying about how he stole falsely claiming it was stolen,
- 30:03Speaker 1: they're wrong. We actually have these CIA whistleblowers, and I
- 30:06Speaker 1: had both of them on my show. They would be
- 30:09Speaker 1: in prison if they were lying about this. They're here,
- 30:11Speaker 1: they're in the United States, and they gave all the
- 30:13Speaker 1: information to the administration. So if you were the age
- 30:18Speaker 1: at the DOJ, if the President said, we've got all
- 30:21Speaker 1: the information, now, what do you do with that? Do
- 30:23Speaker 1: you start arresting people, do you start prosecuting people? Do
- 30:26Speaker 1: you say we're going to get a real count on
- 30:27Speaker 1: what happened in twenty Rudy, I don't want us to
- 30:29Speaker 1: move past it. It's been six years now and people
- 30:31Speaker 1: are like, Ah, what happened, happened, don't worry about let's
- 30:34Speaker 1: focus on the midterms. No, I wanted. I think the
- 30:36Speaker 1: American people have the right to know what happened in twenty.
- 30:39Speaker 2: I think that as a real split within our party
- 30:42Speaker 2: and even within the people around the president. There are
- 30:46Speaker 2: those who agree with you and me, and I think
- 30:48Speaker 2: the President agrees with it deep down. And I'll tell
- 30:52Speaker 2: you why I agree with it. I agree with it
- 30:54Speaker 2: because we don't end this until we face it's absolutely
- 30:59Speaker 2: this could happen all over again. Uh, if not next time,
- 31:03Speaker 2: the time after. The Democrats do this for a living.
- 31:06Speaker 2: This is there that they've been great at it, and
- 31:08Speaker 2: in one way or another, they've been doing it since
- 31:10Speaker 2: Boss Tweet. I mean they're experts at Yes, if we
- 31:14Speaker 2: don't bring it out big time and have the American
- 31:18Speaker 2: people have to face it and realize how their their elections,
- 31:22Speaker 2: many of them have been have been rigged for a
- 31:25Speaker 2: very long time. And here here are the ways they're done.
- 31:28Speaker 2: It's pretty easy to explain, Uh, we're going to have
- 31:31Speaker 2: We're going to basically give away our democracy. And that's
- 31:35Speaker 2: why it has to be done now the people, some
- 31:37Speaker 2: people around him feel that for him, that won't be
- 31:39Speaker 2: good because you'll never get the message across because of
- 31:42Speaker 2: the media. No matter what you do, if he prosecutes them,
- 31:46Speaker 2: they'll make it look like he's prosecuting his enemies.
- 31:48Speaker 1: Right.
- 31:50Speaker 2: Look, they are his enemies, but there's a reason to prosecute.
- 31:54Speaker 2: They were prosecuting their enemies for no reason.
- 31:57Speaker 1: Right, and they knew there was no And that's the difference.
- 32:01Speaker 1: It was only about only about politics.
- 32:05Speaker 2: We're propagated for crimes against the republic. You know. I'll
- 32:08Speaker 2: give you that perfect example of Ukraine, Ukraine Zelensky and
- 32:13Speaker 2: I support Ukraine and I'm against Russia, and I think
- 32:16Speaker 2: we should defeat Russia. But that's me. However, Zelensky's got
- 32:20Speaker 2: all the evidence that would prove beyond any doubt that
- 32:24Speaker 2: the bidens took so much Bride money out of out
- 32:28Speaker 2: of Ukraine to make your headspin and probably about twenty
- 32:31Speaker 2: other American politicians. Zelensky's got all that in a file.
- 32:35Speaker 1: Well, Biden's that Biden's that why why not release it?
- 32:37Speaker 1: Biden's out now because he's a crook. And also they'd
- 32:44Speaker 1: probably kill him. I was told by a prosecutor in.
- 32:52Speaker 2: Ukraine, one of one of the few legitimate ones, right right,
- 32:55Speaker 2: an investigator. He showed me some of the file. He said,
- 32:59Speaker 2: if I ever should I hold you that entire file,
- 33:01Speaker 2: you'd have a lot of you'd have a lot of
- 33:03Speaker 2: empty seats and washing it. Wow, they've been they've been
- 33:07Speaker 2: feasting off this country since twenty fourteen, and it all
- 33:11Speaker 2: started with Obama. And they're going to be a lot
- 33:14Speaker 2: more than the go to jail than you think. There'll
- 33:17Speaker 2: be a few of you guys to Republicans and America
- 33:20Speaker 2: you're like, which I should tell me who? He said,
- 33:23Speaker 2: you can figure it out.
- 33:25Speaker 1: America's mayor Rudy Giuliani, let me ask you one last question. Rudy,
- 33:28Speaker 1: thanks for the time of the access. We got to
- 33:29Speaker 1: get together in person. Soon. Will the Save America Act
- 33:32Speaker 1: fix this? Will the midterms be fair and free? If
- 33:36Speaker 1: they can get the Save America Act done. I don't
- 33:37Speaker 1: think it's going to get done. John fun is a
- 33:39Speaker 1: very weak man. But if they somehow get it done
- 33:41Speaker 1: and get it to the President's desk, will that have
- 33:44Speaker 1: a major effect in November?
- 33:46Speaker 2: Big? Yeah, Yeah, it'll it'll cut out. It'll cut out
- 33:49Speaker 2: enough of the fraud, so it'd be really hard to
- 33:52Speaker 2: steal the election. What we really have to do is
- 33:55Speaker 2: what the President talks about. We've got to go to
- 33:57Speaker 2: straight paper ballots that are that are kept and that
- 34:02Speaker 2: are dealt with securely, and that we can go and
- 34:06Speaker 2: recount honestly when we have to. France does it for
- 34:09Speaker 2: the whole country, and they get it done by the
- 34:12Speaker 2: next day. There'd be no reason why we can't do that.
- 34:16Speaker 2: There should be no there should be no absentee voting
- 34:20Speaker 2: except under the except under very various stringent circumstances. You know,
- 34:25Speaker 2: every European country, every European country just about did away
- 34:30Speaker 2: with mail and voting because all of them had an
- 34:34Speaker 2: integrity problem based on it. France did, England did, Sweden did.
- 34:41Speaker 2: The Carter Baker Commission wrote right after the twenty two
- 34:48Speaker 2: thousand election that the worst and easiest to achieve form
- 34:54Speaker 2: of voting is absentee voting. Now Carter while he was alive,
- 34:58Speaker 2: and Baker walked away from that right and they actually
- 35:02Speaker 2: said their report didn't really say that. I'll go get
- 35:05Speaker 2: you the language it did that.
- 35:06Speaker 1: It did say that Jimmy Carter was the big the
- 35:09Speaker 1: biggest opponent of it.
- 35:10Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got a big footnote with about thirty countries listed,
- 35:16Speaker 2: but they had to.
- 35:16Speaker 1: Walk away from it because it didn't help their side.
- 35:19Speaker 1: For me, we've got to get this thing done. I'll
- 35:21Speaker 1: leave you with this. Do you think food is going
- 35:23Speaker 1: to be able to rally the troops, do it talking,
- 35:24Speaker 1: filibuster and get it done. You gotta cram it through
- 35:27Speaker 1: now you have to.
- 35:29Speaker 2: Well, I never give up until it's over. But I
- 35:31Speaker 2: agree with you. I'm very nervous that, first of all,
- 35:37Speaker 2: the will isn't there to do it. And second, even
- 35:41Speaker 2: if he had the will, I'm not sure. I mean,
- 35:44Speaker 2: I cannot understand how the Democrat Party gets away with
- 35:51Speaker 2: something that seventy percent of their own party wants, eighty
- 35:55Speaker 2: percent of the American people want. And there's an example
- 35:59Speaker 2: of Democrats don't equate their self interest with their vote.
- 36:04Speaker 2: They do the same thing on school choice and vouchers.
- 36:07Speaker 2: Seventy percent of Democrats agree with that. Yeah, and particularly
- 36:12Speaker 2: black and Hispanic ones, and then they vote for black
- 36:14Speaker 2: and Hispanic candidates will double cross their kids.
- 36:18Speaker 1: It's dounning. Well. I pray that he can get this done,
- 36:20Speaker 1: because if you don't have it, I don't know that
- 36:21Speaker 1: I'll trust the election coming up because nothing's changed since
- 36:24Speaker 1: twenty twenty. It's Rudy Giuliani, got Rugiliani dot com of course,
- 36:28Speaker 1: the hosts of Rudy Giuliani Show every single night, even
- 36:31Speaker 1: though I'm on the air, Rudy, when you're on, I
- 36:32Speaker 1: still peek over on the commercial breaks if I know
- 36:34Speaker 1: what the hell you're talking about. They got me. Well,
- 36:37Speaker 1: well listen to no. Absolutely, we'll do that. America's mayor,
- 36:41Speaker 1: great friend of ours. Love you, Rudy. Thanks for stopping by.
- 36:43Speaker 2: Today very much to say I can't can't wait to see.
- 36:46Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be very soon, hopefully. We appreciate you.
- 36:48Speaker 1: That's going to do it for this one. We're back
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