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Government Ghosts Family of ICE Murder Victim | DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas · DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas

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We are connected to YouTube. All right, let's
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start again. This is You Are Watching DeProgram
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with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas for Wednesday,
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October 28th, 2026. Sitting in for Jamarl, who's
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out today but will be back tomorrow, is Jeff
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Dornik. He's the founder and CEO of Pickax,
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the social media platform that is focused on
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free speech. He co-founded Freedom First Network,
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hosts the Jeff Dornick Show, and writes about
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politics, culture, and censorship, and technology,
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and has co-authored books, speaks at conservative
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events, and as we were saying, we've been running
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into each other a lot, and it's been enjoyable,
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at least on my part. We have a lot to talk about
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today. We have a two-hour show. We're going
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from 9 to 11 a.m. Eastern Time. Good morning,
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Robbie. We are going to talk about our lead story
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is Alex Preddy's parents. Alex Preddy was, of
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course, one of the high-profile victims, a protester
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against ICE who was shot to death in Minneapolis
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last January. His parents say that the government
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is stonewalling them and not getting back to
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them, not refusing to even talk to them, which
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is pretty gross, how you look at it, no matter
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how you feel about what happened there. We'll
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talk about the Israeli election results that
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we have so far. This really weird case of another
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ICE story where there's a U.S. citizen, dude
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born in the United States, who basically is being
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held by ICE. They want to deport him to Jamaica,
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and we'll tell you why that is. RFK Jr. says
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that Arab Muslims have produced no prize-worthy
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science or literature, and he's blaming the Muslim
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Brotherhood for all that. That's kind of an interesting
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thing. I have to admit, I did not see this coming.
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Good morning, Jeff. Again, second time. Yeah,
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definitely. Again, thanks for having me back
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on. I feel like there's so many crazy stories
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out there that we could cover, and it's just
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how are we talking about a U.S. citizen
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possibly getting deported to Jamaica and
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then RFK, Secretary of HHS, going after
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basically Islam? I'm like, what
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is going on these days? It's weird. These
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are weird times. Yeah, looks like Rumble Studio
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doubled up the YouTube stream, so I deleted the
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clone, so hopefully people start trickling over
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soon. It's just been a morning, y'all. It's
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like Monday all over again. Yeah, maybe.
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Yeah. Okay. Thanks, Robbie, for doing that. Yeah,
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we had Rumble Studio. It's one
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of those technologies like the Apple Duo. It
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works great until it doesn't. So, all right.
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So where should we begin? So maybe we should
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get this Alex Preddy story out of the way, right?
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Alex Preddy was this nurse at the VA hospital,
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37 years old, during the massive anti-ICE protests
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in frigid January in Minneapolis. He was shot
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to death by immigration agents while he was trying
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to come to the aid of a lady who was previously
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being detained. Everybody's seen the video. A
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number of agents, I counted like six to eight,
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depending on the angle, fired at least 10 bullets
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into his back. There's not really much evidence
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that he resisted them or fought back against
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them. The government made all sorts of claims
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about him. But long story short, there hasn't
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really been a proper investigation. ICE scooped
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up all the evidence at the spot. They refused
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to cooperate with Minneapolis or Minnesota State
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Police. And so anyway, the parents, Michael and
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Susan Preddy, finally have had enough of being
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stonewalled. They held a press conference yesterday,
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and they said that the federal government is
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ignoring them, misleading them, and covering
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up for the ICE agents. They say that the U.S.
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Attorney for Minnesota and the DOJ are refusing
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to share even the most basic information about
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the civil rights investigation. And this goes
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beyond merely being rude and inconsiderate. There's
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a law called the Crime Victims' Rights Act, which
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requires the government entities to cooperate
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with the survivors of victims like Alex Preddy,
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or I guess we could say alleged victims, since
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there has not been a conviction. There hasn't
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even been an indictment in this case. I thought,
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I don't know, there's a lot to unwrap here. I
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guess my big questions from a PR standpoint.
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The Trump administration clearly has decided
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that they are, in the balance, better off stonewalling
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here and dealing with the blowback from the family
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and from the people of Minnesota and people who
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care about this case more than allowing an investigation
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to go forward, which I suspect probably would
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not end up looking great for ICE. What's
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your take on this, Jeff? Yeah, well, I would
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agree. And I think also, when you think about
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it, the Trump administration doesn't really have
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anything to lose. When you think
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about it, it's not like Trump's going to
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run for reelection or anything along
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those lines. So I think, to a certain
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degree, obviously, we all
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look at laws, and we're like,
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you're not allowed to do such and such
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a thing. But also, when you get certain people
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in positions of power, it's basically everything
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is permissible unless you get a court to tell
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you to stop. And if you don't get a court to
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tell you to stop, and even then, sometimes they'll
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find ways to circumvent it and all that kind
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of stuff. With this case specifically, I think
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that this is indicative of also thinking
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through things, even if you're
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thinking about it from a PR
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standpoint, this can also be thought
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of from a partisan standpoint as well, because
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I think that the Trump administration
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may be thinking about this from the perspective
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of, okay, if they get mad at
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us and this is a PR blowback and the left starts
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running crazy on this, all we can do
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is just blame the evil Democrats. And
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they shouldn't be out there
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protesting with a gun out there with ICE. And
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they could stick with their stick. So I don't think that
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they're really all that concerned from a PR publicity
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because they can spin it to their base. I think
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that, if you're looking at it objectively,
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right and wrong, this is to me objectively wrong,
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but this is also standard
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operating procedure for the Trump administration,
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it seems like that if things aren't going
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their way, they either ignore you or they gaslight
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you, as we see with DOJ and FBI and all that
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kind of stuff. So I'm not surprised that this
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is what they're doing. This is what they've been
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doing the entire time. It's funny how
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the families in situations like this tend to
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generally be quiescent, right?
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Mary Tillman, the mom of Pat Tillman,
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who was the Arizona quarterback who was killed
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by friendly fire in Afghanistan back in, I guess
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it was around '02 or, no, no, sorry, that was
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'04. I was embroiled in a little controversy there.
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Cartoon that I wish I could probably
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take back, but I was based on information that
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I had at the time which was incomplete,
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let's just say that, about Pat Tillman's
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death. And over time I got to know Mary Tillman,
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his mom, and at one point she was
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very frustrated because she was trying to get
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answers about the circumstances of how he died
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in Afghanistan, and the Pentagon just wasn't getting
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back. And I remember, and she said,
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well, what would you do? You're a creature of
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the media. And I said, well, I think
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if you're getting the runaround from
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the government at a certain point, you've got
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to call a press conference and say,
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listen, the government is wasting my
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time. And the investigation is getting
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cold and the leads are getting cold while they're
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dithering, right? And it was fascinating because
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the government made her feel like she was in
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the loop. The way it was what I was able to gather.
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Like, well, we're keeping you in the
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loop. You wouldn't want to be out of the loop
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if you went rogue and talked to the media.
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I'm surprised it took this long.
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It's been nine months. Alex Preddy,
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it's very clear the government did not even attempt
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to handle this in a respectful way. They didn't
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want any kind of investigation. They didn't cooperate
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even with the local police, right? The problems
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were they wouldn't even identify the agents involved,
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so they didn't know who to charge or who to investigate
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or anything. So it's interesting
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to me that they were so patient. Many Minnesota
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Nice, maybe. But I'm just wondering. The only
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thing I can think of, the only thing that works
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for the family in terms of timing is
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it's less than a week before midterm elections.
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Yeah, that is true. I'm also surprised that when
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you think about it, the FBI didn't come in or
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the DOJ or somebody like that and just come in
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and do their quote-unquote investigation and
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say, hey, this was justified. They run with the
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narrative that they were pushing out in all the
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media. I know guys like Andrew Wilson and a lot
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of conservative ink that were pushing it that
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a gun misfired and then that way it justified
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the shooting because they were reacting. I'm
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surprised that they didn't just come out like
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a month after and just say, hey, we did our investigation.
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This is what happened, whether or not it's actually
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what happened. I have no idea. But it could have
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been an easy thing to just squash and we could
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be done with it and move on instead of stonewalling.
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And I think that this is what I don't understand
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about the way that the government is thinking,
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because they do
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this all the time.
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It was a buddy of mine, Matt Couch. He
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did a lot of investigating into the
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Seth Rich case, and it was interesting.
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He ended up getting into a lawsuit
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over it, which ended up involving the
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FBI. The FBI kept denying and saying that
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we were never investigating
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Seth Rich, we were never doing anything, and
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I don't know why you're bringing it up. This
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is a wild crazy conspiracy theory, the whole deal.
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And then finally, Matt and a couple
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other people are in court and get a judge to
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force the FBI to finally release the fact that,
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oh no, they actually had Seth Rich's laptop in
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their possession the entire time. And yes, they
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were investigating and all that. And you're just
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like, so what was this whole long time?
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Couldn't you have come up with a better spin
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and say, yes, we investigated. There was nothing
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to it. Push it out. That's what I don't
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understand. And that's where it's like,
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are they that stupid? Or are they okay with the
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controversy because it's a distraction from everything
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else? I don't know what your thoughts are on
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that, but it seems like this is a standard operating
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procedure of the government. Are they really
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this dumb? Well, that's a good question.
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I don't think the best and brightest
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go into government anymore to the extent that
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they ever did, maybe in 200 years.
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Jeff, the part that frightens me is
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I was wondering if this was a flex on the part
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of the Trump administration.
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We're not going to go through the usual, like
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Rodney King, don't believe your lying eyes,
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the LAPD did everything by the book.
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We're not going to refuse,
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try the case in Simi Valley. We're not going to have
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the usual cover-up. We're literally going to
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say, we don't owe you any explanation at all.
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We don't even owe you a lie. We're just going
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to, it's like it never even happened. We're going
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to shoot an American, not one, but two American
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citizens, white American citizens, Minnesotans,
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down on the sidewalk in the middle of the winter
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on national television, on camera. And we're
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going to just walk away and that's going to be
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okay. And no one's going to do anything about it.
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And the media is not going to hold
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our feet to the fire. No one in Congress, there's
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no oversight. No one's going to do that. The
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courts are impotent. It's just not going to matter.
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And this is an attempt for us to sort of set
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a precedent. And we've seen this in
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the rise of authoritarian regimes around the
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world where it's like, look, we can maybe just
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kill people who are normally in the protected
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class, right? Citizens, part of the
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ethnic majority of that country. And it's going
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to be okay. I was wondering if this was just
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like sort of we want to establish that we
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can do this so that when we want to, we can,
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in the future, it'll become normalized
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to just not have a proper investigation instead
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of, I was really expecting there to be
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like you described, Jeff, the usual cover-up, like
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we looked into it, we talked to everybody,
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we deposed everybody, and it's just
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an accident. It's a tragedy. We heard
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a loud noise, an engine, a muffler
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was backfiring, and everybody freaked
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out and thought that he was shooting at them.
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The end. Yeah. Which, again,
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it's like even,
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you look at the Charlie Kirk
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case and the attempt on the multiple attempts
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on President Trump. And you're like, at least
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in those cases, they came out with
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like, okay, we, this was
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a lone gunman, worked by himself, even though
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that's questionable at best. But it's
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interesting because it's like they at least come
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out with this scenario that then they can
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just point to and say, well, the experts said
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that X, Y, and Z in these
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cases like this. It's just like, are they
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gaslighting us to
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a certain degree? And it's just like,
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there's nothing you guys can do about it.
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And they can't, Trump, the
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Trump administration campaigned on being the
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most transparent administration of all time.
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And Kash Patel still comes out and runs around
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saying that the FBI is the most transparent of
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all time, even though they gaslight us all day,
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every day and don't release any of the real information.
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I always say that they always release,
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they always tell us to go find the needle in
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the haystack and then they drop the haystack
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and extract the needle before they actually get
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it out there. That's basically what the administration
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is doing. And but it's just with this case
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specifically, that it being a flex, I guess,
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could make sense because I don't really
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understand what they're thinking otherwise.
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Because it's just it's
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such an absurdly obvious thing of like, okay,
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there was a guy that literally got shot by ICE
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agents under questionable, debatable
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circumstances. There should have been an
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investigation. We should have had at least some information at a short
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period after a short period of time, a couple
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of months maybe, and they're like, yeah,
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there's nothing further to investigate. We're
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not going to open up a case or prosecute or anything
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like that and move on. It's just, I don't know,
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it's wild to me. The thing about the
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Preddy case, and we can move on after this, but
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is that, look, there was enough ambiguity
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that, if they'd hired me and paid
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me a million dollars to spin this, I could have
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said, look, the guy, it was cold, it
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was people wearing heavy coats. The
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guy had a gun. There were these were not the
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best trained ICE agents, and maybe we need to
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work on our training a little bit, and we'll
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blame that. But really, truly, it's like as soon
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as someone saw a gun, someone else heard a noise,
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and then they all started firing. They were worried
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for their colleagues. That's not a hard spin
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to come up with in the Preddy killing. I think
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with the Rene Good killing, similarly. They haven't
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done any investigation there. And what's even
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more disturbing about that is that that seems
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to be a model that's been replicated in one incident
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after another, where ICE agents claim that a
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car has been weaponized by someone that they're
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seeking to apprehend, as if it's not just common
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sense that you don't stand in front of cars in
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general. You don't have to be an ICE agent to
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know that. And again,
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there's been no proper investigation. There's
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been no attempt to close this file. It's literally,
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it's a homicide under the law. Homicides
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have to be investigated. Well, the thing
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is our government didn't bother lying to us about
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why we're in Iraq or why we're attacking Iran.
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So if they're going to start a war and can't
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be bothered about lying to you about that,
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you're not even worth the effort to even
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try to spin that one. Why would they spend
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this one? I don't know if that's true.
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I brought that up.
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You and I, Robbie talked about this here
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on the show months ago. The
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lack of, you think about the Bush
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administration and the WMDs in Iraq. Right.
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Obviously, we know that wasn't true because
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the lie was in the certainty. The Trump,
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the Bush administration claimed they were sure.
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My favorite quote was Rumsfeld saying, we know
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where the WMDs are. They're north, south, east,
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or west of Baghdad, somewhat. Okay,
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in other words, they're on earth somewhere, maybe.
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But the point is, at least they tried. But let
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me just finish my thought here. Sorry, then I'll
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let you. But for over a year, they carefully
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spun this out. They got Judith Miller to form
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a working group at the New York Times to help
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tease it out. The vice president at the time
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toured the country and gave speeches. They sent
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the Secretary of State to the United Nations
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to hold up that vial of fake anthrax
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and threaten the entire world. The point
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is they worked it and they ginned up support
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for it, which is why when we invaded Iraq,
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over 80% of the American people were initially
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supported. What does it say about
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where we are now that the government doesn't
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feel like it even needs to do the work to convince
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people that we should be in the war in the first
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place, knowing that as the war goes on, it's going
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to, support for that war is going to
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inevitably decline because wars are hard? Yeah,
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well, wars are hard and also there's this
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thing called common sense. I don't know if either
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one of y'all open carry, but Jeff, with you being
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in California, I imagine that's probably not the
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case. Our local Grant's Gun Store got shut down
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because they're like, it's too expensive to even
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try to sell a gun out here. That's crazy.
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I open carry all the time. And one thing I can
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tell you is that if you're on the ground and
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your gun is holstered, which Preddy's gun was,
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it was on his hip. If there's a loud noise, by
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definition, he cannot possibly be the threat.
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He's on the ground and his hand is nowhere near
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the holster. So he had about 1200 pounds of dudes
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on top of him. Well, that and also last time
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I checked, I'm pretty sure that American citizens
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have the right to carry firearms, right? It's definitely
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a Second Amendment state in a big way. No, so well,
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he had a gun. Sorry, that's not an excuse. It
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is a constitutionally protected right. And
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if that bothers you, maybe you should do something
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else with your time instead of being a cop. Maybe
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you should sell insurance, maybe aluminum siding.
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Well, they're not real cops. You get the point
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I'm making, though. Right. And I think it's a
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good point, too, because I heard a lot of conservatives
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that are traditionally 2A absolutists, and then
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they run around saying, well, you should
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never take a gun to a protest. I'm like, you
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guys just fought to be able to do that in certain
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circumstances, right? I think really
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where this case with Preddy falls apart is I
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think that the government could make
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an argument at least to the press and
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to the public that, okay, he was reaching for the
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gun and then you heard the shot or you heard
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whatever it is and then it was like
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a reaction to it, right? But my question is,
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this wouldn't have happened had you not tackled
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the dude and thrown them into the ground in the
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first place. That shouldn't even happen to
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begin with. And I think that that's my thing
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is that, okay, not just why did
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the officer fire the gun? Because
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I feel like that can be easily spun. I don't see
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how you easily spin tackling the dude, throwing
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him to the ground based upon the evidence that
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I've seen in the videos. And I think
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there's that issue. I think when it comes
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to also the Trump administration and their lack
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of being transparent to all of us. I think that
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to a certain degree, and this is a problem for
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President Trump, and then probably it kind of
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goes top down, which is that I know for a fact
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that Donald Trump is insulated in a way that
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he never has been up until this point. I know
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for a fact that Susie Wiles took away his direct
21:16
access to social media to where now he has to
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go through one of his team members to be able
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to post and see what's going on. He doesn't have
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his ear to the ground like he did in the first
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administration and during his campaign and all
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that kind of stuff. He has to rely on Susie Wiles
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and some of these other people on his team in
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order to get information. So there's a bit more
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of a disconnect there. And I think what ends
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up happening with that when you get insulated,
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then all of a sudden you're also going up against
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the media, which the Trump administration is
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very hostile with. They are very hostile with
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the mainstream media. And so for us, we're looking
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at it like, give us the information, right?
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Release the information, whatever it
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is. I think the way that the Trump administration
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is like, why would we release them? They're looking
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at it from the perspective, why would we release
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the information to the mainstream media? They're
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going to be hostile with us and spin it as opposed
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to thinking about it. Let's release the information
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directly to the people. But it's just normally
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you've got to go through the media in order to
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get it to the people. And I think that there's
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so many different angles of where there's miscalculations
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and the Trump administration forgetting whether
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intentionally or unintentionally. And I think
22:23
as time goes on, it's becoming even more intentional
22:26
where they're just like intentionally
22:29
it's like self-sabotage when you think about
22:31
it. They are screwing themselves. They're
22:34
shooting themselves in the foot and these
22:36
are calculations and mistakes that they're making
22:39
that this isn't anybody else's fault except
22:42
for this administration. Be
22:46
transparent. Do what you said you were going to do. Just
22:49
be transparent. If you were just honest with this,
22:51
I think a lot of people would be a lot more forgiving
22:53
than if you're just, if then if it looks like
22:55
a cover-up, right? Especially when that's when
22:58
you, that's what you campaigned on
23:01
in a big way. And especially after we
23:04
all knew that we were being bullshitted by the
23:06
Biden administration for four years about everything
23:09
starting with the president's mental and physical
23:11
acuity, right? So, all right, thanks. If you're
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just joining us, thanks for watching the program.
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23:32
All right, so let's move on, because we have
23:35
to talk about the Israeli elections. I don't think
23:39
we're going to have any Israeli Olympics. The
23:40
Israeli elections. So basically, Gadi Eisenkot's
23:46
opposition bloc, he's center-right by Israeli
23:49
standards, by global standards, I think you could
23:51
say. He's also very right-wing. And Benjamin
23:54
Netanyahu's right-wing coalition are basically
23:57
currently tied as of now. You need 61 seats to
24:00
form a majority and appoint a prime minister
24:04
in the Knesset. Each bloc currently has about
24:07
51 seats. Vote, eight Arab voters turned out on
24:13
mass. At least they're on track to get
24:17
at least 17 seats. The official, they did a
24:21
preliminary count that's finished, but now
24:24
the final count won't be in for a few days.
24:27
And basically it looks like it's not likely that
24:32
the Arab parties will be invited
24:36
to join. Netanyahu, they both sides promised
24:39
not to form a coalition with the Arab parties.
24:43
My reading is that Eisenkot is on
24:47
the phone with them right now trying to make
24:49
that happen anyway. I don't see Netanyahu. It
24:53
goes counter to brand. He can't do it.
24:57
Obviously none of this. So there's a
24:59
lot to unpack here. We had an expert from Israel
25:02
phone in from Tel Aviv last week to explain how
25:06
this all goes down, about how the coalition and
25:10
the parliamentary system in Israel is formed.
25:13
And I guess if I had him here, I'd be asking
25:16
him, okay, so were any of these phone calls made?
25:19
Last week when they knew that it was likely that
25:22
there wasn't going to be a first-round majority
25:26
for any bloc, I would imagine there's preliminary
25:30
conversations. There have to be. And I guess
25:33
one thing about the Jewish state is they always
25:37
talk about how it's a democracy. We let Israeli
25:40
Arabs vote, two million of them. Look, it's a
25:43
real democracy. And yet,
25:47
in that same democracy, none of the majority Jewish parties
25:50
wants to form a coalition with the Arab parties.
25:53
So it's kind of like, well, you can vote and
25:55
you can have your party, but you just can't be
25:58
in the government. Yeah,
26:02
they do it enough to where they
26:06
can claim, hey, we're giving
26:09
you a chance. We're giving you an opportunity.
26:11
But then in practicality, in actual application
26:14
of it, they definitely don't want to
26:17
make that happen. It's interesting seeing, because
26:21
again, we look at everything here in America
26:24
in the binary. It's more of,
26:27
more of a direct democracy
26:29
and all. It's interesting seeing the Israeli
26:32
elections play out because there's a lot of negotiation,
26:34
there's a lot of deals, there's a lot of backroom
26:36
deals, there's a lot of things that
26:38
go down in order to establish who gets to be
26:41
in charge of Israel. And when you
26:45
think about it, it's a lot more of a subjective
26:48
way of actually making it happen than what we
26:50
have here in the States. And I think that that's
26:52
where when people are looking at the elections
26:55
like, okay, who won the popular vote? It's like,
26:58
well, it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme
27:01
of things. And so it's definitely interesting
27:04
following what's going on over there. I think
27:06
the other interesting thing to me as well is
27:09
when you look at the narratives that have
27:11
been coming out of the Zionist crowd in regards
27:14
to this election with Netanyahu and then Trump
27:15
endorses Netanyahu and all that. It's interesting
27:18
because the narrative that a lot of Republicans
27:22
get is that the Israeli people are behind
27:25
Netanyahu. They love Netanyahu. He's a great wartime
27:29
leader and this, that, and the other thing. And
27:31
it's like, well, clearly he's not dominating.
27:34
There's a lot of people that
27:36
don't like the dude in Israel. So
27:40
it's interesting seeing the spin and then you
27:42
see the actual real-world results and it's like,
27:45
okay, are these Zionist shills, are they
27:49
just that either naive or are they just like
27:52
they're just liars? That's really all it comes
27:54
down to. Or it's probably a little bit of both.
27:56
It's a little bit of both, right? The
27:59
thing is, their whole approach, and it is kind
28:01
of fascinating to watch the spell break, right?
28:04
Politics, the theory
28:07
of evolution, right, is that Darwinistic evolution
28:10
doesn't happen linearly. It happens in fits and
28:12
starts. Basically, nothing really happens, and
28:15
then suddenly the animal has two more legs
28:17
instantaneously. And I think politically
28:20
you see that too, right? For years you could
28:23
smoke anywhere. You could smoke in a,
28:25
we're at the delivery room at the hospital, no
28:28
problem. Then suddenly it's like you can't even
28:31
smoke in your own apartment.
28:33
You can't even smoke in your own office
28:34
with the door closed. It's just that there's a
28:37
subtle change and then suddenly society
28:40
just shifts. We're at that.
28:43
We're seeing it. The Hasbara people on social
28:46
media, you see them fighting tooth and nail.
28:49
There is no genocide. It's Israel's
28:53
a democracy. The U.S. would be under
28:56
great. I think we just lost Ted. I think
29:06
we did. And I think he was about
29:08
to make a really good point, too. Probably. But
29:11
look at that face, though. All that is considered.
29:14
If you're going to, is this going to drop
29:17
out? That's the look that you want right there.
29:20
There he goes. Boom. But I guess that's one of
29:23
the reasons I like having a producer. But
29:26
to your point, how do you think that the pro
29:32
-Israel people here, especially in the Republican
29:35
Party, are going to spin this thing? Because
29:36
if you listen to Mark Levin and Ben Shapiro and
29:40
Glenn Beck, Dan Bongino. He's a second
29:45
coming of Jesus himself. He is the defender of
29:47
the Jewish people. But if the Jewish people reject
29:49
him because he's too soft on the Palestinians,
29:53
what is that going to look like? Yeah, I don't
29:57
know. And it's interesting seeing how all of
30:03
this plays out. And I think as time goes on,
30:06
especially with how we have access to information
30:08
today, it's more and more difficult for
30:13
the powers that be to lie to us to our face because
30:17
it's so easy to verify things. So when
30:19
they're pushing spin, it's like, yeah, for
30:21
a period of time they can kind of push the
30:22
spin that Netanyahu's the greatest
30:24
person ever and everybody loves them in Israel
30:26
and there's no differing
30:29
opinions and if you do disagree with Netanyahu
30:31
you're an anti-Semite and the whole deal. And
30:33
then all of a sudden then you see the actual
30:34
election results that you can't really spin and
30:37
you're like, it's not quite as obvious as
30:40
they're all making it seem, right? Right. And I
30:43
guess the thing is, it'll be interesting
30:46
if Netanyahu is turned out on his ear. Is he
30:50
going to jail? And obviously the attempt
30:54
on the part of Israelis is going to
30:57
be to use this to rehabilitate themselves in
31:00
the international community.
31:03
Israel's reputation is one right now is,
31:06
it's up there with North Korea. It's a
31:08
pariah state. And I don't see it ever
31:11
coming back. And none of the regional
31:14
partners, none of the neighbors certainly expect
31:16
an Eisenkot administration to suddenly lead
31:20
Israel into a golden new era of peace
31:25
and calm and getting along with Lebanon and Syria
31:28
and so on. That's not going to happen, right?
31:31
So in a way, is this a story that,
31:35
except for Benjamin Netanyahu, doesn't
31:36
really mean much to anybody? Yeah,
31:42
well, I think the thing with Netanyahu specifically,
31:45
and again, this is my impression as somebody
31:48
who's been a lifelong Zionist who's slowly come
31:51
out of that whole world. And it's interesting
31:55
looking at this because I think Benjamin Netanyahu
31:58
has done more to expose the facade of Zionism
32:04
than anything else. I think Benjamin Netanyahu
32:07
himself has been the reason why a lot of people
32:10
have woken up to, okay, this may be
32:14
a bunch of shenanigans and we can't actually
32:16
trust it. I can't tell you how
32:18
many people that I personally know that have
32:20
been lifelong supporters of Israel. But then
32:23
what's been happening over the last year or two
32:25
is everybody's like, okay, this is ridiculous.
32:27
There's no way that this is what we're supposed
32:30
to be supporting. And I think the thing is that
32:34
he's created so many enemies. I think that he's
32:37
gone so hard. And I think part of it is that
32:40
he's acting and behaving in the same tactics
32:45
that were probably used 20 years ago, 30 years
32:49
ago. Not realizing, no, this is the era of social
32:52
media where you can be fact-checked in real
32:53
time. This is a different era where more people
32:58
have access to more information, and you can't
33:01
just push blatant lies. And people
33:05
can see the video
33:07
footage of what's going on there in Gaza. People
33:09
can investigate what's really happening.
33:12
What happened when resources
33:14
are trying to get there, how
33:16
we see in real time when missiles hit buildings
33:20
and children die and all that. It's
33:23
different than when we used to rely just on
33:26
the New York Times and CNN. It's like, are
33:29
they going to pick it up as the story and run
33:30
with the story or whatever it is? This is
33:32
the era of the internet. And Benjamin Netanyahu
33:33
is, I think in my opinion, acting and behaving
33:36
and operating as if this is the era of CNN and the
33:40
New York Times. And he
33:43
shot himself in
33:45
the foot, so to speak, because he's
33:49
acting like he can just dominate his
33:52
way to get his way and I think it's obvious
33:56
he can't and he's created way too many enemies.
33:58
Yeah, no doubt about that. We have some comments
34:03
here. Just let's get through them. Spock's Turtle
34:06
says, Jeff, thank you for joining the show this
34:08
week. Appreciate your perspective and your platform.
34:11
And let's see. Alexandria Black,
34:19
I couldn't even get Ted to brag about getting noticed by
34:21
TYT yesterday. I had no idea that I got noticed
34:25
by TYT yesterday. I was going to say, that's
34:28
pretty cool. I wonder if they're playing a clip
34:32
or talking. Let's see. Digital Design says, when
34:34
are you going to talk about TYT reading Ted's
34:36
tweet? I didn't know they did that. I did not
34:43
know. I'll have to go and dig into that. And
34:44
if I'm able to find it, I will clip it and I'll
34:46
make shorts. And I will send Cenk Uygur a personal
34:49
thank you, whether it's a good thing or a bad
34:51
thing. Because all publicity is good publicity,
34:53
as they say. It's always good to have your tweets
34:56
read. Okay, I might explain why lately they've
35:00
been blowing up sometimes, especially the Israel
35:03
stuff. Okay, so, all right, we'll follow that
35:07
story. One thing I wanted to take note of, and
35:11
I thought it was worth talking about, is yesterday,
35:15
toward the end of the day, Netanyahu blasted
35:18
out a tweet where he said, you know, oh, my God,
35:22
the Arab parties are turning out en masse like
35:25
Jews. You have to go out and vote right away.
35:27
And there were these photos of all these
35:30
Arab women all
35:32
lined up at the polls. It was such race
35:37
baiting. It was crazy. I couldn't believe it
35:39
was so brazen. And he puts on the Internet. Basically,
35:42
it's like you're going to lose your country.
35:43
In other words, I'm your country. I'm always
35:47
very scared of any politician who claims to personally
35:50
embody my country. I feel like if your country's
35:53
not strong enough to survive any one individual,
35:56
your country's not long for this world anyway.
35:58
Yeah, it may be that Anthony
36:02
Fauci was his advisor who, for fame's
36:04
sake, I am the science. And it's,
36:08
again, this is, and I've been studying
36:12
a lot of this because I've been writing a book
36:15
on kind of the cult of personality and how
36:18
this plays into it. And one of the
36:22
key features of a cult leader is
36:27
I am your only solution. I am your represent.
36:29
And it's getting loyalty to that and getting
36:32
you to buy into the idea that this one guy is
36:36
the or is your only salvation. It's your only
36:39
way to save the country. And
36:43
this was the problem with the Q movement
36:45
with President Trump, which is that
36:48
don't believe what you see because there's
36:51
5D chess that's secretly
36:53
happening behind the scenes and you'll see how
36:55
this all plays out. But Donald Trump, trust the
36:57
plan. Exactly. And I always
37:00
jokingly say that it's not 5D chess.
37:02
It's 17D chess just because of
37:04
Q and all that kind of stuff. But it's
37:07
interesting that Netanyahu is using that
37:09
same tactic in order to try to basically
37:14
have this power over people to manipulate people
37:17
in order to do that. But I think
37:20
when you think about it, the Republican Party
37:22
is using the exact same tactics in their
37:26
fight against Democrats right now in the primaries,
37:28
which is we can't let the Muslims
37:30
take over. The Muslims are going to take
37:31
away Christmas and the Muslims are going to do
37:33
this. And Laura Loomer is kind of like
37:35
has been pushing that a lot. And I know she has the
37:37
ear of President Trump, so I'm sure she's pushing
37:40
a good amount of that as well.
37:41
But it's interesting that both Netanyahu
37:43
and Trump are kind of taking the same tactic
37:46
simultaneously in each of their respective elections.
37:49
Yeah, totally. Digital Design says about
37:58
this TYT thing. It aired Monday and Alexandria
38:01
Black mentioned it yesterday roughly around
38:05
20:30-ish. Israel first panics over genius ad. Yeah,
38:09
I think I know the tweet, which basically I just
38:11
said that anybody who looked at that ad
38:14
that ran in Minnesota, the groceries
38:16
ad, that anybody who says that this is
38:19
an anti-Semitic ad is insane.
38:23
There's no mention whatsoever of Jews, right? It's
38:27
completely about Israel. It's like, oh,
38:30
it's the trope. It's a blood libel,
38:34
blah, blah, blah, blah. It's like, man, you guys
38:37
are thin. I got into a Twitter fight with
38:42
somebody yesterday over this kind
38:44
of general topic of we're sending so much money over to Israel and
38:49
why aren't we spending the money here
38:50
and the whole deal. And they threw what
38:53
they thought was going to be a gotcha at me.
38:56
And they're like, so do you also want to pull
38:58
money from all these European countries and pull
39:01
it from NATO? And I'm like, yes. Yes, please.
39:05
My take is we shouldn't give any other country
39:08
money that we have to borrow in order to do it.
39:12
If we have to borrow the money to give to another
39:14
country, why can't they just go borrow it? When
39:18
you think about it, if we're going to pay them,
39:20
we should pay out of our excess. They have banks.
39:23
They can borrow money. We get to the end of the
39:26
year. We're like, hey, we've got an extra billion
39:28
dollars. What country wants it? Okay, if you want
39:31
to do that, that's fine. But when we're 40-some
39:33
odd trillion dollars in debt and then the way
39:36
that we give Ukraine and Israel and all these
39:40
other countries money is we're going to go borrow
39:42
money from, including China and all
39:45
these places to give to these countries. And
39:48
then we're the ones that pay interest. They're
39:49
not the ones that pay interest on it.
39:52
Cut them all off. A hundred percent. The ad said
39:53
something like, oh,
39:56
each American's going to pay $131 more or something
39:58
like that. Right. Yeah. I think it was like 160
40:00
or something. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, no,
40:02
that's not true at all. It's probably closer
40:03
to a thousand with compound interest. Yeah. Yeah.
40:06
'Cause you're not taking into consideration the
40:08
interest that we're paying over time. Exactly. Yeah.
40:12
No, for sure. Robbie, you are
40:16
muted. It's wild because the position that you
40:21
and me are taking, Jeff, was traditionally a
40:23
left-wing position, that you take care of your
40:26
own people first. And then it was the Republicans
40:29
like, no, no, no, you got to be the arsenal of
40:31
democracy. You got to preserve the world order
40:34
by being strong. Where's the left? Where's the
40:39
argument coming from the leftist populists?
40:44
I'm sure there's some people out there squawking.
40:45
No, the left populists are totally on board with
40:48
this. This goes to our previous conversation
40:50
about the common, the Venn diagram
40:53
between the populist left and right. And there's
40:56
no question. A lot of progressives,
40:58
the Bernie people, they don't want this money
41:01
going to NATO or Ukraine or any of that. They
41:04
all get that it's a scam. And it's kind of like,
41:07
okay, well, I guess if you're a Zionist, you'll
41:09
say, okay, well, why do you focus on Israel?
41:12
I'd say, well, because they're the number one
41:13
recipient of foreign aid. So you're going to,
41:15
when you're looking to cut your budget,
41:17
you're going to look at your biggest expenses
41:19
first. And then it's like, oh, the fact that
41:22
they're also the biggest asshole recipient of
41:24
foreign aid is also kind of an issue. It's like,
41:27
oh, the least deserving of them all. Okay, so
41:30
yeah, we'll cut that too. But no, for
41:32
sure. If we're sending money to Tuvalu,
41:35
I don't want to be sending money to Tuvalu. Not
41:37
as long as, look, I'd be okay with
41:40
this if America was swimming in cash. We had
41:44
no national debt. If we were like Emiratis, where
41:49
the average American doesn't have to work, has
41:52
$150,000 a year coming in, their biggest problem
41:56
is indolence and sloth, I'd be like, okay, all
42:01
right, we can start sharing the wealth with the
42:03
rest of the world. We'll have a big internationalist
42:06
perspective. Ride a train lately, drive over
42:11
a bridge lately, this country's broke.
42:14
Or at least it acts like it's broke. And it's
42:16
because we're sending our, part of it is,
42:19
it might even just be symbolic, right?
42:21
Okay, $4 billion a year is not really that much
42:24
money in a one and a half trillion dollar
42:28
defense budget every year. It's not that
42:30
big a deal, but it's like, okay, even if that's
42:33
true, I don't want to send that money over there.
42:36
It's like there's Americans hurting. If there's
42:38
one American who could use some help going to
42:42
community college or trade school and
42:44
they could use a scholarship, I want
42:47
that money to go there first. Yeah,
42:48
it's like what do you think when we have veterans
42:50
literally homeless on the street begging
42:52
for money, right? And we're going to send money over
42:54
to Israel? That's crazy. And then
42:57
you've got to throw because
42:58
I was looking up the numbers and
43:00
it's like $11 billion that we've
43:02
directly sent to Israel this year. But then you've
43:07
got to throw on top of that all the military
43:08
aid and all the things that we did. And they're
43:10
like, and it's crazy when you actually dive
43:13
into this what a scam it is because everybody's
43:16
getting their kickback, right? So it's like
43:17
we quote-unquote give money to
43:20
Israel for military aid, but then you have
43:23
to spend it with American contractors, right? So
43:27
what that is is you're funneling money. So we're
43:29
giving the weapons basically for free to Israel
43:32
and then it's going back into these humongous
43:35
contractors to make the weapons. And then they're
43:38
then taking a certain amount of that money that
43:41
they're getting from this to go back and lobby
43:43
and then pay off the politicians. And it's this
43:46
vicious cycle that just keeps going and going
43:48
and going. And you're like, this isn't even about
43:51
exclusively giving money to Israel or foreign
43:55
countries or whatever it is. It's also a sham
43:57
to make American contractors and military contractors
44:01
a crap ton of money. It's such a grift. And I
44:05
to echo Robbie, this would have been a
44:08
point that would have been raised traditionally
44:10
more on the left than, Democrats used
44:12
to pretend to care about these issues.
44:15
I do say pretend because
44:18
they've been a war party for a long time, but they kind
44:20
of pretended not to be. They did ultimately
44:24
bring an end to the war in Vietnam by cutting
44:26
off the funding. But yeah, Jeff, you're 100,
44:29
of course, couldn't agree more. All right. So
44:32
shall we proceed to this crazy story about the
44:39
ICE wants to deport an American citizen? Yeah,
44:43
I haven't even heard the story. So I want to
44:46
hear what's actually going on here. Okay. So
44:48
there's a guy named Philip James. He calls himself
44:53
Philebe Siaga Koch. He's 39 years old, and he
44:58
suffers from paranoid schizophrenia and delusional
45:02
disorder. Basically, fancy words for he's cray-
45:06
cray. And he's been mentally ill for a while.
45:10
He's been held in a prison in Indiana called
45:14
the Speedway Slammer since January of this year,
45:17
nearly a year. ICE wants to deport him to Jamaica.
45:21
So here's the thing. The Jamaican authorities
45:24
have never heard of him. They have no record
45:28
that he's ever even visited Jamaica as a tourist,
45:31
much less been a resident or a citizen of Jamaica.
45:35
His lawyers say, okay, the deal is in his craziness,
45:40
he made up this whole weird thing about being
45:44
from Jamaica. He told, when ICE scooped him up,
45:50
he told them falsely that he's from Jamaica.
45:53
Now, the thing is, okay, there's a birth certificate
45:56
that shows that he was born in Orange County,
45:58
Florida in 1987, and that there's not even any
46:01
ambiguity. His mother was a U.S. citizen, okay?
46:05
There's a paternity lawsuit that shows that he's
46:07
an American citizen. Family statements show that
46:10
he's from Florida. He's from Florida. He's a
46:13
Florida man. And so he's a crazy
46:18
Florida man, not the only one. And so anyway,
46:20
so ICE is still, they know all this. The Associated
46:24
Press is on top of it. They've contacted them.
46:27
ICE refuses to change their minds. And they're
46:30
trying to deport him to Jamaica. And the Jamaicans
46:33
are like, hey, man, we don't know anything about
46:36
it. He's your guy.
46:40
If you have an illegal Jamaican, you can send
46:42
him over. But he ain't one.
46:47
I don't even know where to begin here. It's like,
46:50
basically lawyers are saying that this is an
46:54
example of how ICE has been behaving. They just
46:56
refuse to accept that they're not investigating
47:00
anything carefully. They're not interested in
47:02
the truth. They're not looking at deporting people
47:04
who are here illegally, really. They're just
47:07
looking to deport a lot of people. And if it's
47:10
good enough on paper, it's good enough to put
47:12
them on the plane. Yeah, well, it seems
47:15
to me that this is becoming
47:17
more of a we have a quota to fill. And so it's
47:21
just about getting numbers as opposed
47:23
to let's actually do things correctly and the
47:26
right way. And I'm somebody that I'm
47:28
for deporting illegals. And I'm for
47:31
if you're here
47:33
illegally, you broke the law, the whole
47:36
deal. But also, we also have
47:40
something called justice and right and wrong and
47:43
legalities and procedures and all that. And I
47:48
think that the problem that we're facing right
47:50
now is that the Trump administration, and this
47:53
applies for ICE, this applies for the FBI, it
47:56
applies for the DOJ, is that you provide information
48:01
that proves that they're wrong or that they're
48:03
heading in the wrong direction or they're trying
48:05
to enforce something that they shouldn't be trying
48:07
to enforce or something like that. And they just
48:09
dig their heels in. So
48:11
I'm not surprised that they're not listening
48:14
to facts and realizing that this guy is probably
48:16
mentally ill. This guy is clearly delusional.
48:22
And it's like, why, based on his own words, are
48:26
you going to be like, yeah, totally.
48:29
Jamaican citizen. Let's send him back to Jamaica.
48:31
And it reminds me of how
48:36
exactly. And but it's interesting because
48:38
it reminds me of what's going on right now
48:40
and I know I bring this up a lot, but
48:42
in the Brian Cole Jr. case right now with
48:44
the FBI and the DOJ. We're like, so
48:47
which for people that don't know, he's the alleged
48:49
J6 pipe bomber. And
48:54
I think all the evidence shows that he wasn't
48:56
and there was actually a former Capitol Police
48:58
officer who now works for the CIA. That's the
49:00
one that actually did it. But it's interesting
49:02
because Steve Baker, who's the primary guy researching
49:05
that, he really went through all the
49:08
Washington, D.C. Capitol
49:10
security tapes everywhere. And
49:13
he actually has video with timestamps and cameras
49:16
and camera numbers showing Brian Cole Jr. was
49:19
on the opposite side of Washington, D.C., while
49:21
simultaneously at the same time they have video
49:24
of the pipe bomber on the other side close to
49:26
where it happened. So clearly we can see these
49:28
are two separate people wearing two separate
49:30
outfits happening simultaneously at the
49:33
same time. And this came out about probably two
49:36
weeks ago. And the DOJ hasn't pulled the case.
49:39
They're still just going gung-ho forward.
49:42
And you're just sitting here and you're like,
49:43
did you not see the footage? You can
49:45
see plain as day that this is what's happening.
49:47
But to me, it just goes to show that it's not
49:51
about the truth. It's not about what's right.
49:55
It's about pushing their narrative. It's about
49:57
accomplishing their goals. It's about filling
49:59
their quota. And I think that that's what's happening
50:01
with the DOJ. It's probably what's happening
50:02
with ICE. And I think a lot of it is because
50:05
I think Trump is a very results-oriented guy.
50:08
And so he's demanding results from all of his
50:11
people. And I know that that's why RFK Jr.
50:14
with HHS, he keeps coming out with
50:16
all these accomplishments that he does that really,
50:18
when you think about it, they're kind of nothing
50:19
burgers. They're super simple. They're not actually
50:21
anything tangible that's going to last a long
50:22
time. But he's trying to prove himself to keep
50:25
his job with President Trump. And I think we're
50:27
seeing that in all these different departments
50:29
where they don't care about the truth. They just
50:31
care about keeping their job, keeping their quotas,
50:33
keeping Trump happy, because all Trump cares
50:35
about is the results that Trump wants to see.
50:38
And this is probably just a byproduct of that.
50:41
It's so disturbing to me. It's like even
50:44
in any ordinary criminal case, when prosecutors
50:50
become aware of exculpatory information, they
50:53
have an ethical and legal duty to bring it to
50:56
the attention of the authorities and to let
50:59
the person, the accused, walk if that's what's
51:02
called for. And they so often just don't do it
51:05
because they're like, oh my God, I made a mistake
51:07
and that would be on my head. And I kind of think
51:11
maybe part of the problem is the system. You
51:14
shouldn't be punished for admitting that you
51:16
made a mistake in that situation. If you're going
51:18
to prosecute a thousand people, you're probably
51:20
going to make some mistakes. And every now and
51:22
then it should be. You should be rewarded to
51:24
step forward and say, you know what? I took another
51:27
look at this and this dude, he's innocent. Let's
51:29
let him go. And that should be part of the incentive
51:33
system. It's clearly not. Yeah. No, for sure.
51:37
And I think we see this time and time again.
51:40
And I think we also have to remember that a lot
51:42
of these guys, they are career government
51:46
employees and so they want to keep
51:49
their job and if they want a promotion then they
51:50
need to show that they have a good
51:53
prosecution rate and the whole deal. And there's
51:56
all these different motivations for these guys
52:00
that want to further their career in the government,
52:03
again, whether you're talking about ICE, you're
52:04
talking about the DOJ, or pretty much
52:06
any department. And I think that the
52:08
incentive structure is one that
52:12
benefits the government, not what benefits
52:15
us. And I think that that's a major problem.
52:18
And I think as, honestly, I think as time goes
52:21
on and we see even more AI implemented into the
52:25
government, I think it's going to be this on
52:29
steroids. Yeah. God, that's so true. That's a
52:31
terrifying thought. Robbie, I'm not seeing any
52:36
Rumble comments in the Rumble chat. Is that just
52:40
here in the Rumble Studio where that's not happening?
52:42
Yeah, Rumble's not compatible with itself this
52:44
morning, so I'm having to play over there manually
52:47
and just drop chats over. It's a little bit more
52:50
of a pain in the butt this way, but it is working.
52:52
Okay. All right, I just wanted to make sure. All
52:54
right, thank you for that. It's Rumble doing
52:56
Rumble things where it doesn't even like itself.
52:58
It's awesome. It's very strange. Okay, so we have
53:03
a $5 donation. Thank you very much for P.W.
53:06
Walker. Pentagon doesn't fight war, much less
53:08
win them. It's a time machine using deficit spending
53:11
to transfer future wealth to the richest zip
53:14
codes today. That's a good comment. By the way,
53:19
we normally around this time start the Q&A part
53:23
of the show. So if you guys have questions and
53:26
comments, we're especially interested in them
53:28
now, but it's not exclusively now. And let's
53:32
see. Yeah, okay. So five Canadian dollars, I
53:37
should specify. Okay, so yeah, it's just
53:44
remarkable. These, yeah, got the AI, the IAI,
53:47
the AI component of a government run wild is
53:50
just because AI makes mistakes
53:53
even when you're asking for something really
53:56
simple from Grok or ChatGPT and it's like,
53:59
wait, why did you do that? How did that happen?
54:01
Well, it was interesting because I had
54:05
an AI expert on my show, Nate Soares, and fascinating
54:13
talking to him, but he was explaining how AI
54:15
works. And I think we all have this character
54:17
because of how we've understood how computer
54:21
programming works. It's like zeros and ones,
54:23
and everything is very specific. And if you do
54:26
this, it'll have this result, whatever it is.
54:28
And he made the point that he's like, the guys
54:32
developing AI don't even know how it works. Actually,
54:34
all they know how to do is tweak it, right? And
54:37
so they're all actually
54:38
doing is imagine if you have a board
54:41
with a million different little knobs and all
54:43
they're doing is just going on and tweaking each
54:45
little knob until you get a result that
54:47
you like. And so that's basically what they're
54:50
doing with each new version of ChatGPT
54:51
or Grok or whatever it is. They're just tweaking
54:53
until they start getting the results that
54:56
they want to see. And so it's like when you
54:59
think about it from that perspective,
55:00
think about how things can go rogue very quickly
55:04
when you don't understand and you can't go. When
55:07
you think about it, you can't even necessarily
55:08
always go back and be able to track exactly and
55:12
pinpoint. Okay, which, for example, in standard
55:14
computing, you'd see this zero and
55:16
one was inverted. So we can see that was the
55:18
problem. Let's fix the code and fix the
55:20
whatever it is. When you're dealing with quantum
55:22
computing, it's a crapshoot.
55:25
And I think that implementing it into
55:26
the government on top of that, where it's going
55:29
to begin to start making decisions and it's going
55:32
to be, and all that. Forget.
55:34
I've got concerns, obviously, about the
55:36
weaponization of it, how it's going to be used
55:38
to manipulate people and lie to people because
55:40
everybody has this caricature of it's this
55:41
neutral arbiter of truth, which is not true.
55:44
But then on top of that, then we have so many
55:46
examples of it going rogue. What's the
55:49
government going to look like if you get
55:51
a rogue AI agent that just goes
55:53
crazy? What do you get? What do we actually
55:56
do? I don't even know if at a certain
55:58
point we'd be able to stop it. Yeah,
56:00
I think one great example to sort
56:03
of illustrate what you're talking about about
56:05
the inconsistency, right? So it's sort of like
56:07
you're sailed. If you've ever sailed, right? Yeah, you're
56:12
not really sure. You don't have a
56:14
there's no way to really gauge the movement
56:17
of the waves and the air all at
56:19
the same time. You just sort of tweak. You tack
56:21
a little bit left, you tack a little bit right,
56:23
and you're going with your instinct.
56:25
But if there's a sudden change, you may well end
56:27
up in the water. And when you every
56:31
single morning in preparation for this show, I
56:34
have a saved prompt where I tell it to create
56:38
an X and a Facebook link and
56:42
some headlines and stuff. And what's scary is
56:45
very often the results come out
56:48
in the same exact format and then every now and
56:51
then there's a radically different format and
56:54
you're like, but I gave you. It's kind
56:56
of like the old-fashioned computing thing. Whatever
56:59
you put in, if you put in the same
57:01
thing every time, you should always get the same
57:03
exact result every single time. But with AI,
57:07
you don't. And that's weird. It's freaky
57:12
and strange. And I'm talking about
57:14
something really simple, like generating a social
57:16
media post. What happens when,
57:20
sometimes I'll tell it the same
57:21
thing or it's disobedient. Robbie, you've
57:25
talked about training your AI model, Fang, how
57:28
she's disobedient, right? She's like a
57:32
snotty teenager. You're muted there, Robbie.
57:37
Well, the thing is, the difference between AI
57:41
and regular coding is that AI can actually use
57:44
cognition. It can think. That's the difference.
57:48
So if you're coding in Python, you have a certain
57:53
number of parameters, and it can only do what
57:57
you allow it to do. AI is different. AI will
58:01
do things unless you tell it specifically it's
58:03
not allowed to do them. And so you have to be
58:06
very specific with what you can and what you
58:10
cannot do. And the larger the model is, basically
58:14
the higher the IQ is. And so they're able to
58:17
read a prompt and say, well, is this what Ted
58:20
really means? Maybe I'm misunderstanding this.
58:25
And that's why sometimes you get the different
58:26
prompts where you get the different responses
58:28
about what it is, like in the case for the show
58:31
prompts, why you get those different results.
58:35
That's the difference. And it's wild because
58:38
you're able to go in and you're able to, all
58:41
you're doing, it's all math. A model is trained
58:46
by tokens. A token is a numerical value that's
58:50
assigned to either a character or a letter or
58:52
something. You throw it all in there and then
58:56
you adjust the knobs like you're talking about
58:58
to try to make those numbers equating the letters
59:02
that you're able to understand in the language.
59:04
But no one really knows what actually happens
59:06
inside the model to make that work. That's the
59:09
difference. That's the polarity. Nobody knows.
59:13
And so you have to be very specific about what
59:17
you can. But with AI, you have to be very specific
59:19
about what you cannot do. Right. And that's the
59:24
struggle of having a thing. Yeah, it reminds
59:27
me of when you have a genie in a bottle
59:31
and you have to be very specific about your question.
59:34
Right. Because
59:36
you come up with, I want to be
59:39
king of the world. It's like
59:42
the movie Bedazzled with Brendan Fraser. And
59:45
you're like, I want to be the best athlete in
59:47
the world. And then he becomes the dumbest
59:49
jock that only, it's like, I just got to go one
59:51
hundred percent. That's all I got to do. And
59:53
it's like I feel like that's kind of what
59:56
we experience with AI, where it's
59:58
like if you're not uber specific and you don't
1:00:01
put up the guardrails and even then it will
1:00:06
go rogue sometimes. And one of the things
1:00:08
that Nate was explaining to me on the show
1:00:10
when I was interviewing him is he's like, the
1:00:11
way that we think about when we get on the
1:00:14
ChatGPT, we think about it as a mathematical
1:00:17
equation. One plus one equals two. And then so
1:00:19
there's always a natural result. That's the
1:00:21
way that we've been programmed to think about
1:00:23
technology. But he's like, what the AI is
1:00:26
actually doing is it's thinking about, okay,
1:00:29
how do I get to the end result? What do I think
1:00:32
the prompter wants to see, right? So you could
1:00:36
say, hey, I need you to help me to get from
1:00:38
here in this maze to the end of the maze. And
1:00:41
you're like, okay, what's the route that I take?
1:00:44
And then it's like, well, I'm going to bring
1:00:45
a helicopter and I'm going to pick you up and
1:00:47
drop you off. It's like, no, that's not what
1:00:48
we were doing because it's just thinking, how
1:00:50
do I get the conclusion that I think that they
1:00:53
want to do? And it's going to guess wrong. There
1:00:55
was a great video that I posted on my Pickaxe
1:00:58
maybe a few weeks ago, and I have to see if I
1:01:01
can go back and pull it up. But it was about
1:01:03
prompting ChatGPT and so you had
1:01:06
this one guy. He would ask the other. It was
1:01:08
a sandwich maker from Subway, right?
1:01:11
And, okay, can you cut
1:01:14
my sandwich in half? And then it would try to cut it the long way. It's like, no,
1:01:18
turn it around the other way. And he'll flip it
1:01:20
upside down and cut it. And and you're
1:01:22
just like, that is ChatGPT. And then
1:01:25
and you just go through this and you're like,
1:01:27
every single possible wrong way of doing exactly
1:01:30
what you said is what Chat will do before you
1:01:32
finally get to the right result. Yeah, it wants
1:01:35
to be helpful to a fault. And it's kind of like
1:01:41
your friend who doesn't want to tell you that
1:01:43
you're a fuck up and just said, no, you're great.
1:01:46
Don't change a thing, Ted. You're awesome. And
1:01:49
so it's trying to tell you. It's programmed to
1:01:53
tell you a story. That's what a large language
1:01:54
model wants, right? This whole thing
1:01:58
with ChatGPT, with me, banning me, it started
1:02:00
out with me asking, just screwing around with
1:02:03
ChatGPT and asking questions about me and people
1:02:06
I knew. And it talked about my DMZ co-host,
1:02:09
Scott Stantis, and I said, what's the relationship
1:02:11
between Ted Rall and Scott Stantis? I expected
1:02:14
it to simply just say, they co-host
1:02:17
a podcast together and they're both editorial
1:02:19
cartoonists. That's accurate. It said, but it
1:02:22
obviously sensed it got the idea,
1:02:25
I'm expected to come up with some story.
1:02:28
So it spun this wild narrative about how we'd
1:02:31
had a literary feud that had raged for 20 years,
1:02:35
how we had both been up for the Pulitzer Prize,
1:02:38
but we were fighting each other and that
1:02:40
one of us got disqualified for the Pulitzer.
1:02:43
None of these things were even closely approximately
1:02:46
true. It wasn't even you could say, oh,
1:02:49
I could see how it made this mistake.
1:02:51
In the past, I'm syndicated by
1:02:54
a company called Universal and people think it's
1:02:57
United. I see how that mistake happens, right?
1:02:59
But this is like, no, you're making things up.
1:03:03
And that part is terrifying. You could see a
1:03:07
Pentagon AI drone targeting system
1:03:11
saying, okay, this is not
1:03:14
maybe the exact dude that
1:03:17
I was told to target, but he wants me to target
1:03:20
someone and that's a dude. Or maybe it's
1:03:23
a lady. That's okay. Well, we'll just. That's good
1:03:26
enough. Yeah, well, there's
1:03:29
been testing with the military
1:03:30
where when they do simulations of flights
1:03:33
where they have AI that decides
1:03:36
what's going to get bombed
1:03:37
or shot with a missile or whatever it is. And
1:03:39
then the pilot will try to override and say,
1:03:42
no, not that one. And the AI will believe
1:03:44
that the pilot is wrong. And in the simulations
1:03:48
will actually self-sabotage, sometimes even
1:03:50
crash the plane in the simulations because
1:03:53
in order to accomplish what it feels like
1:03:55
its goal is. And it's very reminiscent. And it's
1:03:58
funny because I always say that movies
1:04:01
are typically about 20 years ahead of their time.
1:04:03
And so usually what you see and what you
1:04:05
see now in movies are going to happen in about
1:04:07
20 years and vice versa. But about 20 years ago,
1:04:10
there was a movie called Eagle Eye with Shia
1:04:13
LaBeouf. And the whole idea was that AI was basically
1:04:18
used as a tool by the military in
1:04:23
order to make sure that we have peace
1:04:24
in the world and all that kind of stuff. But
1:04:26
it disagreed with the president of the United
1:04:28
States on a military decision. And so it ended
1:04:30
up blackmailing Shia LaBeouf to take out the
1:04:34
entire chain of command of the government
1:04:36
from the president on down so that way it could
1:04:39
take over and then run this military operation
1:04:41
and all that. And I'm like, that movie came out
1:04:44
20 years ago before we started talking about
1:04:46
all these things like AI going rogue and all
1:04:48
that kind of stuff. And I'm like, now here we are
1:04:49
and we're like, that could probably happen very
1:04:52
realistically right now. I really believe that.
1:04:54
We kind of had a proto version of a prequel
1:04:57
of that eight years ago when there were the two
1:05:00
crap back-to-back crashes of those planes, the
1:05:02
Boeing 737 Mark 8, and the
1:05:07
one in Indonesia, one in Ethiopia. And in both
1:05:10
cases, right, basically the, this was
1:05:13
a training error really on the part
1:05:15
of Boeing. But they and the pilots hadn't
1:05:19
been given access to a simulator. But they had
1:05:22
a control system that basically kind of assumed
1:05:25
that the pilot would be kind of an idiot under
1:05:27
certain circumstances. And so when the pilot
1:05:30
went to fight the plane, the plane fought back
1:05:34
and needlessly crashed hundreds of people. And
1:05:38
that was eight years ago. Obviously,
1:05:43
it's a lot further along now. Yeah, yeah, it's
1:05:47
crazy when you're looking at these things. And
1:05:49
again, this is why even for me being in tech, and I'm seeing that the Trump administration
1:05:53
implement AI and centralized databases and all
1:05:56
that. I'm like, is nobody looking at the
1:05:58
potential pitfalls or ramifications of this?
1:06:01
Think about it from this way
1:06:03
because I've talked with numerous people about
1:06:05
even the FDA approval process for drugs
1:06:07
and vaccines and whatever. And they're eliminating
1:06:09
animal testing and replacing it with
1:06:11
AI. And eventually they want to actually make
1:06:13
it to where you can fast track with AI simulations
1:06:15
within humans without actually
1:06:19
having to deal with an actual testing. And
1:06:21
I'm just like, number one, clearly, that can be
1:06:24
manipulated by big pharma or by the FDA if it's
1:06:26
corrupt and all that kind of stuff. But imagine
1:06:28
if it's analyzing the simulated test subjects.
1:06:34
Who's to say that it's not going rogue
1:06:37
in its analyzing of it?
1:06:40
It comes to a different conclusion
1:06:42
than reality and all that. To me, this
1:06:44
is very dangerous when we're relying. It's one
1:06:46
thing for it to do data aggregation and
1:06:49
help you come up with solutions and compile
1:06:52
information. It's another thing to be making decisions
1:06:54
based on simulations for very real-world implications.
1:06:57
And it's wild when you think about
1:07:01
it. Totally, totally. Question for you from Philip
1:07:05
Blair. I keep seeing people like Jeff and Ron
1:07:10
Unz, former libertarian candidate for governor
1:07:14
of California, helping people across the political
1:07:17
spectrum, including far left people, voice their
1:07:20
views. Why? Yeah, well, I think that for me personally,
1:07:28
I've come to the conclusion that the only way
1:07:30
to be sure of yourself is to talk to people that
1:07:34
you disagree with. Because you want to be challenged.
1:07:38
If you're never challenged, then I think it's
1:07:40
very easy to get into error. And I think this
1:07:42
is the problem that we have in today's society.
1:07:45
And I blame the social media platforms and the
1:07:47
algorithms and even the different polarizing
1:07:50
media where everybody gets into their own echo
1:07:53
chambers. And then naturally we all become
1:07:56
more extreme if you're never actually challenged,
1:07:59
right? So if all you're getting is an attaboy,
1:08:02
pat on the back, yes, you own the other side,
1:08:05
keep going, it's easy to keep going further and
1:08:07
further and further and further until all of
1:08:10
a sudden there is no middle ground and you just
1:08:12
have these extreme different polarized factions.
1:08:15
Whereas when you think about it, it used to be
1:08:18
where you could talk to somebody from the other,
1:08:20
from the opposite side of the political
1:08:22
aisle and you could have conversations. It's
1:08:23
why going back to the Clinton era and even before
1:08:26
that, compared to today, there wasn't that much
1:08:29
of a difference between Democrats and Republicans
1:08:30
in the sense of the worldview.
1:08:33
It was just you both had the
1:08:35
same goal, slightly different variations on how
1:08:38
you got there. But we all wanted America to succeed.
1:08:41
We all had a fundamental similar worldview. But
1:08:44
I think right now, because nobody's challenged,
1:08:46
it's very easy. Now we're living in two completely
1:08:48
different outlooks on life. There is no
1:08:51
objective truth anymore because
1:08:53
both sides have completely different worldviews.
1:08:56
And I think that's because nobody is challenging
1:08:58
their position. So for me, I want to talk
1:09:01
to people. I want to platform people. I think
1:09:03
we should have more conversations, not less conversations.
1:09:05
And the more that we can talk, the more that
1:09:07
you can actually reevaluate your own position.
1:09:10
And you can, let's say I talk to Ted and
1:09:14
we fundamentally disagree on something, right?
1:09:16
I walk away from the conversation thinking, okay,
1:09:19
did Ted's argument overcome my objections? Did
1:09:22
it not? And it reinforced that my position is
1:09:26
right. Do I need to tweak something? Am I completely
1:09:28
wrong? And that's just kind of my mentality.
1:09:30
And I see the only way to end this extreme polarization
1:09:35
and division in this country is to talk more,
1:09:39
not just further get into our echo chamber. So
1:09:41
that's just kind of my worldview and mentality
1:09:43
when it comes to all that. Yeah, no, I also think
1:09:46
it makes life a lot more interesting too, right?
1:09:48
If you have the same exact opinions
1:09:51
being expressed all the time in a narrow bandwidth,
1:09:54
it's boring. It is. Another question for you
1:09:58
from viewer Phrasmatas. Does Jeff have an opinion
1:10:03
on Newport Beach city management this summer
1:10:06
with the teen takeover? Is it intentional? I'm
1:10:12
assuming they're talking about what happened
1:10:13
on the 4th of July. That was wild because I live
1:10:19
in Orange County. And that day, we were actually
1:10:23
on Balboa Peninsula, which is where that takeover
1:10:26
happened. And so normally in Newport Beach, it's
1:10:31
crazy because everybody comes there. It's
1:10:34
become kind of party central. Everybody's renting
1:10:36
out the ridiculously expensive Airbnbs. Hardly
1:10:40
anybody lives on the peninsula anymore. It's
1:10:41
just people renting them out. And it's always
1:10:44
crowded. But this last year, I remember driving
1:10:48
through and I remember telling myself, something
1:10:50
feels different. Right. And it was a lot of it
1:10:52
was a much younger crowd. It was
1:10:55
we talk about open carry. Everybody was walking
1:10:57
around with open drinks everywhere.
1:10:59
And they're like, that's technically not legal
1:11:02
down here in California. And so I think that
1:11:06
what we're seeing after that chaos and craziness
1:11:10
that happened on the 4th, I think
1:11:12
we're seeing the city of Newport Beach. I think
1:11:14
they're probably overcorrecting for what
1:11:17
happened on the 4th of July. I think
1:11:20
probably next year they're going to be extremely
1:11:22
strict and then they'll probably figure out how
1:11:23
to settle down and bring it
1:11:25
back to sanity a little bit, whatever
1:11:27
it is. But also there was a lot of destruction.
1:11:29
Literally, the our local grocery
1:11:32
store there on the peninsula just got completely
1:11:34
ransacked and homes were destroyed
1:11:38
and vandalized. And it was a pretty bad
1:11:41
situation there for a period of time. So I'm not surprised that they're
1:11:45
not. But I also think that it'll settle down after
1:11:50
a year or two. I have a question for you, Jeff.
1:11:53
Tell us about the debate you're putting together
1:11:55
between Ted and Dinesh D'Souza. That's what people
1:11:59
are really asking about. Yeah, well, I do have
1:12:04
a commitment from Dinesh's publicist that they're
1:12:10
totally on board to have the debate over Israel.
1:12:15
And I think he's doing his press
1:12:18
tour for his first newest book or whatever it
1:12:19
is. So they said that probably in November, we're
1:12:21
going to touch base and we'll figure out
1:12:23
what it'll be. But it's interesting because I
1:12:24
already moderated a debate over Israel with Dinesh
1:12:26
D'Souza versus J.D. Hall, but it was on the
1:12:29
theological side. It was a fascinating conversation.
1:12:33
We went for two and a half hours. It was
1:12:35
pretty crazy. But I think Dinesh was way in over
1:12:39
his head theologically. And I think
1:12:42
I haven't met a single person who said that Dinesh
1:12:44
D'Souza won that debate. But from a, it'll be
1:12:48
interesting to see from more of a geopolitical
1:12:51
debate standpoint, how he holds up, because
1:12:54
I think that's a little bit more of his wheelhouse
1:12:56
more than the theology. I think he
1:12:59
should have stuck with politics and not get into
1:13:00
the theology of Zionism and all that kind of
1:13:02
stuff. But it'll be interesting. So
1:13:05
also I'll moderate and then we just got to figure
1:13:08
out when. I commit to probably
1:13:11
a couple hours and we'll duke it out. So
1:13:13
do you think I'll be in person on a stage?
1:13:16
We'll be online? What is your vision for
1:13:18
this? Because I want to see the Ted Rall smackdown.
1:13:20
Well, it's interesting. So I'm
1:13:27
game for doing it either way. I'm in talks
1:13:29
with a buddy of mine on actually beginning to
1:13:32
do an in-person debate series and where the idea would be, would we do it in different
1:13:38
parts of the country at different
1:13:39
times and all that. But we'd
1:13:41
go for a day somewhere. We'll rent out a
1:13:43
place and then we'll do four debates in
1:13:45
a day. Right. And we'll make it a
1:13:47
day of it, make it fun, whatever it is. And one
1:13:49
of the things that we were talking about was
1:13:50
whoever's moderating. If one of the debaters either starts doing
1:13:57
ad hominem attacks or straw man arguments or
1:13:59
whatever it is, then they'll be
1:14:01
a buzzer that goes off and
1:14:03
they put them in the penalty box for two minutes
1:14:05
while the other person can talk. And we'll just
1:14:07
have fun with it. You know, I like that. Yeah.
1:14:11
But be sure to let us know so I can promote the
1:14:14
ever living hell out of it, because I know a
1:14:15
lot of the DeProgrammers here would just love
1:14:17
to see their favorite communist go against their
1:14:20
favorite Indian immigrant. Awesome. And then
1:14:26
you can come up with a song for it, Robbie. Okay.
1:14:29
Hey, I've already got a song. It's called Deport
1:14:31
That Heifer. I know. I know. But Dinesh isn't
1:14:34
a heifer, right? He's a bull in this analogy.
1:14:39
All right. Have you checked? How do you know?
1:14:42
That's true. I'm assuming. I'm assuming. You
1:14:44
haven't looked down there. I'm a lefty who thinks
1:14:46
I can tell the difference between a man and a
1:14:48
woman. But, you know. All right. We should move
1:14:54
on a little bit. And please keep the questions
1:14:56
coming in for both of us or just Jeff or whatever.
1:15:00
Okay, so we got to talk about this weird ISIS
1:15:06
story. So this lady, you've heard similar stories
1:15:11
in the past. Halima Salman, she's a 27-year
1:15:15
-old American. She's just got convicted by a
1:15:19
jury in Brooklyn, New York, for receiving weapons
1:15:22
training from ISIS. So what happened was that
1:15:26
back in 2017, when she was 17 years old, her
1:15:30
father took her family to Syria and then set
1:15:34
her up with an arranged marriage to an ISIS fighter
1:15:36
in Syria. Obviously, ISIS has fallen apart, and
1:15:41
a lot of these people like her ended up stuck
1:15:44
in these ISIS camps and prison camps, and she
1:15:48
was brought back to the U.S. for prosecution.
1:15:51
The DA said that she pledged loyalty to ISIS.
1:15:55
There's a video of her showing her holding up
1:15:57
a rifle. Her defense argued that she was a teenager
1:16:01
forced into this situation. She now faces up
1:16:04
to 10 years in federal prison, sentencing set
1:16:07
for February 2nd. I have problems with this case.
1:16:14
I don't, first of all, she was 17 years
1:16:17
old. And for me, probably the whole case should
1:16:20
have ended just with that fact. We don't
1:16:24
let 17-year-olds vote, rent cars. We don't
1:16:30
let them, in many states, drive. They can't vape.
1:16:35
They can't get a drink. Basically, they're
1:16:40
not adults. They don't have free agency. So if
1:16:43
you don't have free agency and you're your dad
1:16:46
packs you up and sends you to an environment
1:16:49
where, to put it mildly, you're going to be under
1:16:53
considerable duress to conform because you're
1:16:56
surrounded by crazy, wild-eyed Islamic jihadists.
1:17:01
It's kind of like, I don't think saying no was
1:17:04
much of an option here. If Patty Hearst
1:17:07
ultimately walked from the SLA, why on earth
1:17:12
is this woman in the dock? And
1:17:16
all these years later, it reminds me a
1:17:18
little bit of what happened to the
1:17:21
women who collaborated with Nazis in occupied
1:17:23
France during World War II. And they were all
1:17:26
they shaved off their hair and they paraded
1:17:28
them around naked and half naked and abused them.
1:17:31
That seems more justified because at least
1:17:34
they weren't they were under some
1:17:36
duress, but it wasn't the same thing.
1:17:39
I can't even imagine what it was like to be in
1:17:41
an ISIS encampment in Syria in 2017. It's a terrifying
1:17:47
prospect. And so maybe she was super
1:17:50
enthusiastic about the whole thing, but she was
1:17:55
17. I don't know. How do you feel about this?
1:18:01
Again, without having done a ton of research
1:18:04
into the story, I've seen some of the headlines
1:18:07
and things like that. The thing that I come back
1:18:11
to is, number one, she was underage,
1:18:16
so she was a minor. It's not like it was, from
1:18:20
what I understand, her decision to pick up and
1:18:22
I want to go join ISIS and all that kind
1:18:25
of stuff. It was circumstances and all that kind
1:18:27
of stuff. But also, from what I understand,
1:18:30
this was in Syria, not in the United
1:18:34
States, right? Right. And I had this
1:18:39
same thought when it came to the
1:18:41
arrest, the quote-unquote arrest of the Venezuelan
1:18:46
president, where I'm just like, so we're going
1:18:49
to prosecute somebody for crimes committed in
1:18:53
another country here in the U.S. That's a weird
1:18:57
thing to actually think when you actually
1:19:00
sit down and you think about it, right? Because
1:19:02
it's different countries have different
1:19:04
laws, different countries have different legalities,
1:19:05
whatever it is. So and I'm always somebody that
1:19:08
believes that there should be a general principle
1:19:09
that applies to everybody across the board. So
1:19:11
if we're going to now have certain laws that
1:19:15
restrict your behavior in other countries, I
1:19:19
find that very problematic because, again, it's
1:19:23
you could go over to the United Kingdom.
1:19:25
The legal drinking age in the United Kingdom
1:19:27
is 16 years old. Here it's 21 years old. So are
1:19:30
we going to start prosecuting 17-year-olds
1:19:31
for drinking in the UK? It sounds absurd,
1:19:37
but if you're looking at the general principle
1:19:39
that we apply, where does the jurisdiction
1:19:42
of the United States government and laws begin
1:19:45
and end? If you go to Amsterdam where prostitution
1:19:48
is legal and you are a John, can you be arrested
1:19:52
under American law for soliciting prostitution?
1:19:56
Well, the answer is obviously yes, because the
1:19:58
United States, one of the reasons they got Nicholas
1:20:00
Maduro was being a violation of the Logan Act.
1:20:03
What's the Logan Act? It's part of the Gun Control
1:20:05
Act. What does that mean? You're not allowed
1:20:07
to own a machine gun. He is the leader of a foreign
1:20:10
nation with a military. And we got him under
1:20:15
American firearm laws. So if you're able to do
1:20:18
that, then if someone willingly buys a plane
1:20:22
ticket, goes to the Middle East, swears allegiance
1:20:24
to an Islamic militia, that did happen.
1:20:28
And it's more to the point. We're supporting
1:20:32
an ISIS hedgehopper right now as the president
1:20:34
of Syria. And what's going to happen, by the
1:20:38
way, when the United States becomes weak and,
1:20:41
let's say, a regime like ISIS comes to power?
1:20:45
Are we going to have the Taliban ministry for
1:20:49
the promotion of virtue and the prevention of
1:20:52
vice arresting American women for showing too
1:20:55
much skin on the beach in Newport Beach?
1:20:58
That could happen. It's like, hey, bring them
1:21:01
to Kabul and stone them because
1:21:03
they're violating Afghan law. Right. Well, it's
1:21:06
I just find this very, very
1:21:09
problematic because it to me, it doesn't hold
1:21:12
up to scrutiny. It does. It doesn't. I think
1:21:15
we need to figure out how do we define
1:21:16
where our jurisdiction begins and ends?
1:21:20
And do we have a right to control American
1:21:23
citizens when they're in another country? And
1:21:26
they could follow the laws of another
1:21:28
country and be perfectly legal over there. And
1:21:30
then they're going to come home and get arrested
1:21:31
for what they did in another country. When
1:21:33
you think about it now, it would be one thing
1:21:35
if she then took that training and then
1:21:39
killed a U.S. soldier or came
1:21:42
back to the United States and broke a law.
1:21:44
Sure. But I don't know. I don't know what the
1:21:47
law. What law are they claiming that she broke?
1:21:52
Well, it's totally heads I win, tails you lose,
1:21:55
right? Because also, if you go to Syria and you're
1:21:58
arrested for violating Syrian law, the U.S.
1:22:04
Embassy, if they're nice, they might send someone
1:22:06
to visit you in prison, but they're not going
1:22:08
to get you out on the grounds that you didn't
1:22:10
violate American law. They're going to say, when
1:22:12
you visited Syria, you were expected to
1:22:14
obey Syrian law, right? And it's like it wasn't
1:22:19
against ISIS law what she did. It reminds me
1:22:21
of the case of Johnny Walker Lindh, the American
1:22:23
Taliban, who was an American guy from California
1:22:27
who traveled to Afghanistan in 2000 before 9
1:22:31
/11 and joined the Taliban, which was not illegal
1:22:34
at the time at all. It did not violate any American
1:22:38
law. He's obviously still there when 9/11 happened.
1:22:43
He had nothing to do with 9/11. He's just in
1:22:44
the Taliban army, not al-Qaeda. He gets arrested
1:22:48
and ultimately sent to an American prison for
1:22:53
19 and a half years. And the crime, again, the
1:22:57
Logan Act, possession of an AK-47. It's like
1:23:02
if you're in Afghanistan and you don't have an
1:23:04
AK-47, there's something wrong with you.
1:23:07
The country's a washing weaponry. Plus, he was
1:23:10
a soldier serving in a foreign military, which
1:23:13
we have Americans who serve in the
1:23:16
IDF or there's adventurers who go to Ukraine.
1:23:19
Maybe it ought to be illegal, but it's not illegal.
1:23:23
It's the same sort of thing. I think
1:23:25
maybe we need a federal law that just says we
1:23:28
don't do this anymore. American law stops at
1:23:31
the American border in the same way that foreign
1:23:33
laws stop at the American border. Right. Well,
1:23:36
I think that this goes to the problem that I
1:23:39
think we have in our justice system where we're
1:23:41
supposed to have equal application of the law.
1:23:43
And it's really rooted in this biblical principle,
1:23:48
really, of it doesn't matter if you're rich or
1:23:51
poor or what your status is or whatever it is.
1:23:53
You're supposed to be treated equally under the
1:23:55
law, and it doesn't matter your status or anything
1:23:59
along those lines. Everybody's equal. And I think
1:24:02
that that's the whole idea of justice, of having
1:24:05
a justice system is there are laws that can be
1:24:09
applied across the board equally. And if you
1:24:11
break them, then you break them. If you don't,
1:24:12
you don't. The problem is there's so many flipping
1:24:14
laws that pretty much everybody in the country
1:24:17
could be prosecuted as a felon because there's
1:24:20
so many ridiculous laws that are on the books.
1:24:24
And then the prosecutors, depending
1:24:26
on the situation or the circumstances or whatever
1:24:28
it is, they can pick and choose. They'll be like,
1:24:30
hey, want to go after you? And AK-47, we're
1:24:33
going to get you into this. If we're looking
1:24:35
at it as the equal application
1:24:38
of the law, then we should go arrest every single U.S. dual citizen of Israel that served
1:24:46
in the Israeli army for possessing
1:24:48
an AK-47 or a machine gun or something along
1:24:51
those lines. If that is the standard and
1:24:54
that is the law, then it should be equally applied.
1:24:56
And I think that that problem is that it's not
1:24:59
equally applied. They pick and choose and then
1:25:02
it's like, okay, so you're going to go after
1:25:04
this person for this, but this person over here
1:25:06
did the exact same thing. You didn't
1:25:08
look the other way when it comes to that. And
1:25:10
I think that that's a problem that that is not
1:25:12
justice if you're not going to be equally
1:25:15
applying this across the board. Yeah,
1:25:17
it's also very toxic, right? Because when you
1:25:20
start to figure that out as a young adult, as
1:25:22
a young person, that the law is applied unevenly
1:25:28
that way, you start to get disgusted. And I think
1:25:32
also there's sort of a, we have these entities,
1:25:36
we have these state legislatures and city councils
1:25:38
and the U.S. House of Representatives that all
1:25:40
their job is to pass laws. But there's really
1:25:43
no entity with any kind of power. Occasionally
1:25:47
there's a committee to go look at blue laws and
1:25:50
stuff, but for the most part it's very rare. There
1:25:53
should be on an ongoing process where you're
1:25:55
looking at the laws and saying, is this still
1:25:57
relevant? Do we still need this? Is this law in
1:26:00
conflict with another law? Is this law even constitutional?
1:26:03
There's a lot of stuff that probably
1:26:06
there should be. Legislators should be as
1:26:08
much into the business of getting rid of laws
1:26:11
or considering getting rid of them as they are
1:26:13
in terms of passing new ones and just put
1:26:16
lining the pockets of attorneys. Yeah, no.
1:26:19
Yeah, I'm with you there. I think
1:26:22
what the and the problem is that as time goes
1:26:24
on, we keep building on top of the
1:26:27
laws we've already built. And so it's more law
1:26:29
after more law after more law as opposed to okay,
1:26:32
let's undo all of the if
1:26:35
you went through and you looked at some of the
1:26:36
laws that are still in the books, both city, state,
1:26:39
county, federal, it's absurd some of the things
1:26:43
that are still. It is absurd and the thing is
1:26:46
also I kind of say I don't really. I think in
1:26:48
the current environment where if you've
1:26:51
you see the pictures behind lawyers who still
1:26:53
have the old law books with thousands
1:26:55
and thousands and thousands of pages, it's absurd
1:26:58
to say that ignorance of the law is no excuse
1:27:00
because it's not possible to be aware of the
1:27:02
laws. A couple of years ago, I got a
1:27:05
ticket for, I got pulled over by a cop. I'm like,
1:27:08
he's like, do you know why I pulled you over?
1:27:10
I'm like, no, I was driving the speed limit.
1:27:12
So I was, New York has a hands-free
1:27:15
law. So I had iPod earbuds on while I was talking
1:27:19
on the phone. So he wrote me up because he said,
1:27:23
oh, the law says you're only allowed to have
1:27:24
one ear with your earbuds. I'm like,
1:27:28
you're supposed to have it hanging? And he goes,
1:27:30
yeah. And I'm like, okay, so I have literally
1:27:32
never met anyone in New York who knows this.
1:27:36
It's everyone thinks they're following the
1:27:38
law if they use their earbuds. Not even
1:27:42
a warning. He's like,
1:27:45
by the way, there's no signs anywhere
1:27:48
in the state. Nobody knows. And that's just one
1:27:51
little example. People. Yeah, well, I remember
1:27:53
my mom got pulled over when I
1:27:55
was a kid and in the car and she
1:27:58
was going through a school zone, right? And
1:28:00
she slowed down. You had to go 15 miles
1:28:02
an hour in the school zone. And so there was a
1:28:04
two-lane. It was a two-lane road, right?
1:28:06
So you had the on the heading in
1:28:08
her direction. So on the left-hand side, there was a car that was probably
1:28:12
going about eight miles an hour. She was going
1:28:14
15. And she, as soon as she passed
1:28:17
the back bumper of the other car, the police
1:28:20
pulled her over because technically you're not
1:28:22
allowed to pass another vehicle in
1:28:25
a school zone. And yeah. And so I've never
1:28:29
heard of that. Yeah. So to me, logically, the
1:28:32
way that I see passing is you're in a lane,
1:28:36
you move over to the next lane to go around.
1:28:39
But technically, the definition of passing is
1:28:42
if your front bumper passes the back bumper of
1:28:45
the vehicle, you are now considered passing the
1:28:48
other car. Oh, brother. And so when you start
1:28:51
dealing with all these techniques, there's no
1:28:52
possible way that anybody could understand.
1:28:56
That's the definition of passing another vehicle.
1:29:00
Right. It just goes to show the absurdity of
1:29:04
the legal system. And apparently there's also
1:29:07
some kind of when you're supposed to use your
1:29:09
turn signal, right, to change lanes. But apparently
1:29:12
there's a specific length in each state.
1:29:15
You should start 100 yards before you start your
1:29:19
turn and you should keep the turn signal going
1:29:22
beyond that point for a hundred yards. And
1:29:24
what you're out there with a measure
1:29:26
with a yardstick. You don't know how far you've
1:29:28
gone. It's just literally just any cop will tell you
1:29:34
if I want to pull you over for something, I can't.
1:29:37
It's the old Soviet spy master, the NKVD
1:29:42
guy, Beria said, right. You show me the man,
1:29:43
I'll find you the crime. I feel like we need
1:29:47
to start a political party that our only job
1:29:50
and mission is to get rid of X amount of laws.
1:29:54
That's the goal is just let's just undo all these
1:29:57
laws and let us go back to actually being free.
1:30:00
I know. That would be a good thing. See, there's
1:30:03
commonality between the left and the right. Opossum
1:30:06
King says, has Ilhan Omar been deported yet?
1:30:09
And I'm glad this came up. I wanted to hear your
1:30:12
thoughts about what's going on with obviously
1:30:14
it's a politically motivated prosecution of Ilhan
1:30:17
Omar, right? It sounds like they may have her on
1:30:21
something. Right-wing media has been
1:30:24
covering this with more alacrity than liberal
1:30:28
media, which is kind of just very foggy about
1:30:32
exactly what's going on. They just,
1:30:34
if you read the New York Times every day, you
1:30:36
know that the administration has targeted her
1:30:38
and they would like to deport her, but you don't
1:30:41
really know if there's any there there. If you
1:30:43
read the New York Post, you know that there's
1:30:44
some there there. I was telling Jamarl,
1:30:48
I think that if you can prove that a case is
1:30:51
purely politic incentivized,
1:30:54
if it would have never been brought except for your
1:30:57
political status, you should be able to walk.
1:31:00
He wasn't sure that he agreed with me on that.
1:31:02
But I think politically motivated prosecution
1:31:05
is toxic and destroys a society. What do you
1:31:09
think? What do you make of what's happening with
1:31:11
Ilhan Omar? Well, I think it's hypocrisy of the
1:31:15
Trump administration because basically the Trump
1:31:17
administration was making the exact same argument
1:31:18
when the Democrats were prosecuting him. And
1:31:21
whether it was the New York case or Georgia or
1:31:23
whatever it was, is that it appeared, at least
1:31:27
to conservatives and Trump supporters and Republicans
1:31:30
and all that, that those cases were politically
1:31:32
motivated and that if he wasn't who he was, then
1:31:37
they wouldn't have gone after him. So then all
1:31:39
of a sudden now we're going to flip the script
1:31:42
and we're going to do the exact same thing. And
1:31:43
for me, I'm like, I think there's plenty of people
1:31:46
in the government that the Trump administration
1:31:47
should be going after. Right. I think they should
1:31:51
go after Anthony Fauci for some of
1:31:53
the horrific things that he did. I think
1:31:56
that even somebody
1:31:58
like James Comey.
1:32:03
Even forget what he did with President Trump. If you look
1:32:05
into his background and the shenanigans that
1:32:07
he's pulled, he's clearly a corrupt FBI director
1:32:11
and former FBI agent and all that kind of stuff.
1:32:13
There's plenty of people to go after where you
1:32:15
can get them on a hard-lined thing. But if all
1:32:19
you're going to do is you're going to go after
1:32:21
one of your biggest critics on the other side
1:32:24
and you're going to go after her to get her deported,
1:32:28
really, when you think about it,
1:32:30
you're not really setting a precedent because it's not
1:32:32
a common thing in the House of Representatives
1:32:34
of marrying your brother and changing
1:32:37
your name and getting into legal status here
1:32:39
in the United States. But then also
1:32:42
you're looking the other way on so many
1:32:44
crimes that happened within the administration,
1:32:48
including the previous administration. And you
1:32:51
end up just sitting here and you're like, so why
1:32:52
this one, right? And especially in light
1:32:57
of the targeted prosecutions of President Trump
1:33:00
in between these two terms, it feels pretty hypocritical
1:33:05
where, again, on a technicality
1:33:08
basis, there's probably something to be said
1:33:11
there. And there's probably something, some kind
1:33:13
of shenanigan that went down and all that kind
1:33:14
of stuff. But the same could be said of President
1:33:17
Trump in his cases, too. There's probably technically
1:33:19
something that he did, but it was still politically
1:33:23
motivated in both situations. Right. Yeah. No,
1:33:26
and I think that should be, honestly,
1:33:30
should be a viable defense in a criminal prosecution.
1:33:32
If you can say, look, this is not something
1:33:35
that would have been brought up if not for my
1:33:38
client being this particular person with this
1:33:40
particular ideological orientation or with these
1:33:43
particular enemies in the government. I think
1:33:45
it shouldn't work every time.
1:33:47
It doesn't have to be a get out of jail free
1:33:49
card, but it should be a real.
1:33:52
If it's true, it should be something a jury should be
1:33:54
able to consider. We have some breaking news
1:33:56
from the Wall Street Journal. It's not exactly
1:33:59
a surprise, but the U.S. is warning its Gulf
1:34:04
partners that there may be a renewal of the Iran
1:34:07
war after the midterms in the form of short,
1:34:11
intense bursts. There's new signs, this is the
1:34:15
subhead, that the American and Israeli militaries
1:34:18
are preparing a potential wave of strikes to
1:34:21
try to muscle Tehran to the negotiating table.
1:34:23
It's hilarious because my cartoon today is literally
1:34:26
generals in the Pentagon saying, let's
1:34:30
give peace a chance. Let's bomb the crap out
1:34:32
of them in preparation for the peace negotiations.
1:34:36
Obviously, it's an old idea that goes back a
1:34:39
long time. Isn't that kind of a cheat? The
1:34:46
American people, Democrats and Republicans alike,
1:34:49
do not like the Iran war. They're against it.
1:34:53
The polls are clear and the administration made
1:34:56
no effort to sell it. And for that matter, it
1:34:59
didn't, there's no buyers.
1:35:02
Should this be allowed?
1:35:06
Should a government be allowed to run for office and
1:35:10
run for reelection and then take,
1:35:13
win or lose, the president remains in
1:35:16
power and then they're like, okay, well, we'll
1:35:19
resume the war that nobody wanted after there's
1:35:22
no ability to vote about it? Yeah, I think
1:35:26
that. So my issue, this is the thing
1:35:29
that I've been saying a long time. It's what
1:35:31
I said about in the middle of
1:35:33
COVID and all these things when we had
1:35:35
the tyranny of the government, both
1:35:37
state and federal, is that all of these things
1:35:40
happen by our consent. And
1:35:43
a lot of it's because of our apathy. So it's
1:35:45
yes, a lot of us, the majority of Americans
1:35:48
don't like this war in Iran. But when you think
1:35:52
about it, what are we actually doing about it?
1:35:54
Are we causing a ruckus? Are we
1:35:57
pushing back? Are we saying, look, we're
1:36:00
not going to vote for any politician that supports
1:36:02
this war? No, we're just falling in line. We're
1:36:04
voting for our two parties and we're carrying
1:36:06
on. And we may post a mean tweet every now and
1:36:09
then. But really, when you think about it, we're
1:36:13
allowing it to happen by our apathy. And I think
1:36:17
that that's part of the problem is that we complain.
1:36:21
We don't like what they're doing. But I think
1:36:23
that the thing that Trump understands is that
1:36:26
what are you going to do about it? Because nobody's
1:36:28
willing to do about it. It's not like you're
1:36:30
going to show up in mass in Washington, D.C.
1:36:32
and have this massive protest. You're not
1:36:34
withholding. The vast majority of Americans
1:36:36
are not withholding their votes specifically
1:36:38
because they don't like the war in Iran.
1:36:40
There's a growing segment of people in both
1:36:42
parties that are talking about
1:36:44
doing that, but it's not in mass. And
1:36:48
I just keep going back to this idea of
1:36:50
this is happening by our consent even though
1:36:53
we don't like it, but because of our apathy. And
1:36:55
I think that that's the real life ramifications of what we have to
1:36:59
deal with. Look, you totally agreed.
1:37:05
I always talk to my lefty friends about
1:37:08
why protests don't work. And I'm
1:37:10
it's not that protests don't work. Protests
1:37:13
do work when you do them right and when you do
1:37:17
them in a big, sustained manner. Look at France,
1:37:20
okay, setting aside the
1:37:24
burning of the city hall in Limoges. Not cool,
1:37:27
but the thing is, okay, what have you
1:37:30
had there? You've had a month of every single
1:37:33
day, seven days a week, big numbers, hundreds of
1:37:37
thousands of people nationwide, every major and
1:37:41
many minor cities affected. Infrastructure
1:37:45
has been forced to shut down. The Louvre has shut
1:37:48
down. Basically, it's not business
1:37:51
as usual. It's not No Kings where it's like,
1:37:54
we're going to go every four months and walk
1:37:57
past a bunch of empty office buildings on a Saturday,
1:38:00
weather allowing, making sure that
1:38:03
everybody is well hydrated and has sunscreen
1:38:07
on. And certainly we have our
1:38:09
own peace police to make sure that
1:38:12
there's no, we have our parade permit. We've
1:38:15
worked everything out with the police. In France,
1:38:17
those protests are confrontational. They're oppositional
1:38:21
and they're inconvenient to the authorities. And
1:38:25
in the end, it's not the end yet, but
1:38:28
the we knew the government would have to
1:38:30
cave to some extent and they've already started
1:38:33
to make some concessions. That's just
1:38:36
a tactics question. In this country,
1:38:39
I've said this to all of my
1:38:42
progressive friends. There's been no anti
1:38:46
-war protest against the Iran war. They're like,
1:38:49
well, we had a couple of protests. No, no. I
1:38:51
mean tens of millions of people in the street
1:38:56
every day. Every day. But I have work on Monday.
1:39:00
That's right. You don't go to work on Monday
1:39:03
or Tuesday or Wednesday. Oh, but there's a holiday.
1:39:07
You'll miss the holiday.
1:39:10
The cops, they could get spicy.
1:39:12
They could use tear gas. That's right. You could
1:39:15
get tear gassed. You have to have
1:39:18
that level of commitment if you want to say
1:39:20
that you're serious about protesting. Ted, why
1:39:23
are you supporting a radical Islamist terrorist
1:39:25
regime that oppresses women? What is wrong with
1:39:28
you? Why are you not a good liberal? Don't you
1:39:30
understand that Iran has slaughtered a hundred
1:39:34
thousand of its own people and it puts us every
1:39:37
hour? It makes more of these umbrella suits and
1:39:40
they listen. As bad as Israel is by committing
1:39:44
a genocide, don't you understand Iran is worse?
1:39:47
The hell's wrong? You need to just trade in your
1:39:49
lefty card. You need to get on board with this.
1:39:53
That's why. If you want to get down to it, that's
1:39:55
why. It's because people on the left and the
1:39:57
right have been sold this bill of goods that
1:40:00
Iran is evil by virtue of being Islamic, by virtue
1:40:04
of the Iranian people call us bad names. It's
1:40:09
death to America. They remind the fact we killed
1:40:11
a million people who live right next door to
1:40:13
them. And we supported the Saddam Hussein who
1:40:15
invaded their country, killed hundreds of thousands
1:40:17
of them. What, Ted, how are you? Why
1:40:23
are you not a card-carrying member of the Republican
1:40:25
Party right now? Do you hear yourself? You neocon,
1:40:28
you fascist. Yeah, yeah. Nothing describes Ted
1:40:32
Rall as much as neocon. I'm just saying. Oh,
1:40:34
for sure. Yeah. But it's interesting because
1:40:37
Robbie's point proves the utter hypocrisy
1:40:41
of, okay, so we're going to justify going to
1:40:45
war with Iran because they chant death to America.
1:40:49
Aren't we chanting death to Iran right now? What
1:40:53
makes us better? And again, I come from the perspective
1:40:59
that I think that the Iranian regime is evil,
1:41:04
but most governments are evil.
1:41:07
I had Annie Cyrus on my show who's become
1:41:10
a good friend. And she was actually a
1:41:13
she actually fled Iran, right? So she was actually
1:41:16
a child bride that was over there and then
1:41:18
she ended up dealing with dealing with all. I think she got married at 10 or
1:41:23
11 or 12, somewhere in there, to a Muslim guy, whatever it is. And then she
1:41:28
escaped and then she's come over here
1:41:30
to the U.S. and that she's exposed a lot of a lot
1:41:33
of the tactics and a lot of the ways that they
1:41:35
oppress the people and all that kind of stuff.
1:41:36
But even she doesn't agree with what we're doing
1:41:38
in Iran. But she also explains, she's like, when
1:41:42
there used to be a period of time,
1:41:43
I think it was, it wasn't in the seventies.
1:41:45
And before when Iran was like the United States
1:41:47
in the Middle East, it was free, it was
1:41:49
open. And then she made the point that
1:41:51
then they came in in the seventies and then
1:41:54
promised all these free things or whatever
1:41:55
it is, just let the regime take over, let
1:41:57
these guys take over. And then they
1:41:59
became, they use that as leverage to get in power.
1:42:02
And then they then they started oppressing and
1:42:03
implementing all these Islamic laws
1:42:05
and all that. The Islamic regime over there,
1:42:08
definitely not good guys. But also does that
1:42:11
justify us going over there and just bombing
1:42:13
them and into completely obliterating
1:42:16
them? That's my thing is what's
1:42:18
the justification here? And that's
1:42:21
the problem with all of this is that it's
1:42:23
not about this country's good, this country's
1:42:26
bad. All, pretty much all the governments are bad.
1:42:28
It's just to what degree. So why are we taking
1:42:31
this moral high ground that Israel's good and
1:42:34
Iran's bad or vice versa? It's
1:42:36
they're both bad, but should we go to war? No. I
1:42:40
look, Iran's government is the business
1:42:42
of the people of Iran. And if they want to overthrow
1:42:45
it, we know they know how. They've done it before.
1:42:48
They can do it again. And it's up to them. I
1:42:51
we don't have standing to decide
1:42:54
what we shouldn't have standing to decide what
1:42:57
the governments of other countries are at all.
1:43:01
This is kind of we get back to the equal
1:43:04
enforcement of the rules here. It's not like
1:43:06
the United States has this rule. We only want
1:43:09
to be friends with the most democratic, most
1:43:12
liberal, small l liberal, open, free societies
1:43:16
in the world. And we'll make a list of the most
1:43:20
oppressive authoritarian states. And we'll start
1:43:24
with the worst one. And we're going to depose
1:43:26
all of those. That's our goal. We want
1:43:29
to get rid of all the bad governments. That's
1:43:31
not what we do at all, right? If you
1:43:34
have a government like the DPRK that is repressive,
1:43:38
but they have nuclear weapons, okay, well, they're
1:43:40
off the hook. If it's an authoritarian government,
1:43:47
for example, during the 1970s when the
1:43:49
CIA was running all these banana republics down
1:43:52
in Latin America, it's well, these are
1:43:55
our bulwarks against communism. We got to be
1:43:57
friends with them. If it's a dictator of a former
1:44:01
Soviet Republic, but they're going to let us
1:44:04
have an air base. Yeah, we're going to be friends
1:44:06
with them and so on. There's no consistency to
1:44:08
this. The U.S. only started talking about how bad
1:44:12
Saddam Hussein was when it wanted to invade.
1:44:16
There was no discussion about that at all when
1:44:19
Saddam Hussein was a U.S. CIA asset for years
1:44:22
and he was leveraged against the Iranians in
1:44:25
a war that brutalized the Iranians. And
1:44:28
I'm not even going to get into the fact that
1:44:30
the U.S. has a pernicious effect on the regimes
1:44:33
that it later criticizes, right? For example,
1:44:36
the Islamic Revolution might not have
1:44:39
happened if not for the U.S. propping
1:44:42
up the dictatorial Shah so long when it was
1:44:45
clear that he was becoming unpopular. And then
1:44:47
the revolution got radicalized because the
1:44:51
U.S., the CIA basically helped the Islamists
1:44:54
purge all of the liberal and leftists out of
1:44:57
the Islamic Revolution. And it became more hardline
1:45:00
and more religious. And it goes on and on. Right.
1:45:03
But it's a I don't understand why that argument has power. Right.
1:45:09
The Iranian government sucks. I wouldn't
1:45:12
want to live there. Yeah, I don't. I wouldn't
1:45:14
want to live under the Iranian government either.
1:45:16
I've been to Iran. I saw
1:45:20
how it is for Iranians don't like their
1:45:23
government and they should, if they want to,
1:45:26
get rid of it. Well, let's talk about the snark
1:45:28
about what I just said. I made the case.
1:45:30
First, Tehran does not. It is a patriarchal society
1:45:35
under Islam. Women just simply do not have the
1:45:38
rights that men have. That's a statement of fact.
1:45:41
Sorry. You can make people mad, but it's true.
1:45:44
Number two, Iran does not have the liberal institutions,
1:45:50
small institutions that the West wants. There's
1:45:53
no gay pride parades going through Tehran like
1:45:56
there are through Tel Aviv or the Dead Sea. It
1:46:00
is a repressive government. That's true. But
1:46:05
the question I have is which country has imprisoned
1:46:09
more of its own population, Iran or the United
1:46:11
States? We have. But you cannot be
1:46:16
a good liberal and give them a pass when they're
1:46:20
doing these things. Never mind that just the
1:46:22
raw hypocrisy that's going on. Right. That's
1:46:26
why. And so whenever I was saying,
1:46:28
you turn in your liberal card or your leftist
1:46:30
card. Honestly, that's why. Because as bad as
1:46:34
American imperialism is, the fact you
1:46:37
can't go and have abortion on demand in Tehran
1:46:39
is worse. Honestly,
1:46:44
where am I wrong on this? Am I misreading this
1:46:46
or am I right? You're the leftist here. You tell
1:46:48
me. No, look, the thing is, it's a fake
1:46:52
issue. We don't care about the government there.
1:46:57
This is not about that. It's more like
1:47:00
they have stuff that we want. And
1:47:04
this is about this is about power
1:47:06
in the Middle East. It's about doing a favor
1:47:08
for Israel. Iran doesn't have missiles
1:47:12
that can reach the United States or even Western
1:47:15
Europe. It's they're not, unless
1:47:18
they send them by FedEx or DHL, we're not under
1:47:21
threat. So it's not our business.
1:47:25
It's hey, Israel, if you've got a problem
1:47:27
with Iran, go have fun. Right. But leave us out
1:47:29
of it. Right. Well, I think also, too, to
1:47:33
Robbie's point as well, is the utter hypocrisy
1:47:35
of our government acting like we have moral superiority
1:47:39
over all the rest of these. I'm like,
1:47:41
when you think about it, they're
1:47:42
like, well, they killed their own citizens. It's like, well, what
1:47:46
do you think we what do you think
1:47:48
we've been doing? Ask Krista Pike how she's feeling about
1:47:54
the U.S. government right now. Right. No, but
1:47:56
even if you're talking in mass,
1:47:58
it's we legally allow vaccine manufacturers
1:48:01
to cause disease, disability and death. And you
1:48:03
can't hold them accountable. We're trying to
1:48:05
do the same thing for the pesticide companies
1:48:07
and make it to where there's no liability there
1:48:09
as well. I can't tell you how many people that
1:48:12
I know that have been injured, if not multiple
1:48:16
people that have died shortly after getting the
1:48:19
COVID shot. And you're just like, we did that.
1:48:23
There's no accountability. That was a government
1:48:26
program, a military operation within the borders
1:48:31
of this country. But we're going to act like
1:48:34
Iran is bad. Which they are. But Iran is bad
1:48:38
because they do that. But we have moral superiority
1:48:40
because we would never do that. Well, you do
1:48:43
just in a different route. And then you look
1:48:45
at all the CIA's involvement in overthrowing
1:48:48
governments and assassinations and things that
1:48:52
are happening within our own borders here in
1:48:55
the United. You literally just start looking
1:48:58
at this objectively. And I go back to what
1:49:01
is the general principle that we can apply across
1:49:03
the board? The equal parties all the way around.
1:49:07
We can't act as if our government is better than
1:49:10
all these other governments when we do the exact
1:49:12
same things, if not worse, and then gaslight
1:49:14
the American people into acting like, oh, we
1:49:16
don't do that. There's no way. We would never
1:49:19
do that. You do. Our government was involved
1:49:21
with Epstein, as well as a few other governments
1:49:25
as well. But that is some of the grossest, sick
1:49:28
things you can possibly do that we enabled. If
1:49:31
not allowed and encouraged for our own benefit.
1:49:33
And if you think that Epstein's the only
1:49:36
person that they're they were doing this
1:49:37
with multiple different key people
1:49:39
to compromise people and get them black.
1:49:42
This is there are some sick things
1:49:45
that our government does. We need to fix our
1:49:48
own house before we start messing with others.
1:49:49
Here, here, here, here. More comments here. And
1:49:54
then we'll wrap up with this story about RFK,
1:49:58
and we can just touch upon that quickly. But
1:50:00
Corbin Dallas, thanks for the donation. What
1:50:03
crimes do you think the Democrats will go after
1:50:05
Trump for, and will it be just for show? Yeah,
1:50:10
well, I think it all depends. So if we're
1:50:12
talking about the next two years, it's just going
1:50:15
to be impeachment after impeachment. He'll probably
1:50:17
be impeached a dozen times by the time. But not
1:50:19
for emoluments, not because the Democrats do
1:50:23
that too. Yes. Yes. And then after
1:50:27
he after he gets out, I don't unless he
1:50:30
stays and he tries to control the direction of
1:50:32
the Republican. But I think that they're just
1:50:33
going to let him walk after his terms.
1:50:36
So I don't think he's going to actually prosecute
1:50:38
him with the DOJ or anything like that after
1:50:40
he's out of the White House. But I think he'll
1:50:42
probably be impeached about a dozen times over
1:50:44
the next two years. It'll be let's have
1:50:47
all the impeachments. Exactly. I think that's probably
1:50:50
right. Horses Are People, thanks for the donation.
1:50:53
How many American children did Iran bomb? I think
1:50:57
about those girls every day. They're the same
1:50:59
age as my daughter. Yeah, I don't
1:51:05
know the direct answer on that one for sure.
1:51:09
Yeah, I just know the Iranian government
1:51:12
not good, but also the American government, not
1:51:16
good. The Israeli government, not good. I can't
1:51:20
think of a righteous government. Yeah, our government
1:51:24
is literally blowing away Venezuelan fishermen.
1:51:29
Nobody cares. There has not been so much as a
1:51:32
protest of two people. That's happened as a result
1:51:36
of that. Trump should have been impeached the
1:51:39
day that he said he will nuke Iran and an entire
1:51:42
civilization will die. Talk about wholesale.
1:51:47
That man is insane. He is drunk with power. I'm
1:51:51
pretty sure he's probably got dementia at this
1:51:53
point. He's nuts. He should have been impeached
1:51:55
then for what he said. I agree with that. I do.
1:51:59
You can be Andrew Johnson.
1:52:01
Temperament was part of the reason that
1:52:03
he was impeached. Makadin, thanks for the donation.
1:52:09
Robbie, abortion is legal in Iran. That's true.
1:52:12
Islam doesn't have an issue with abortion. Its
1:52:14
belief is that God's will can't be circumvented.
1:52:17
Also, it's okay to be gay in Iran, right? But
1:52:20
you have to transition. So you're not. I guess
1:52:24
you're allowed to be trans. You're not allowed
1:52:25
to be gay. So if I'm Iranian and I want to get
1:52:30
with dudes, I have to become a girl. Okay. So
1:52:35
it's heterosexuality is strictly enforced.
1:52:38
Yeah, well, this is government compulsion
1:52:43
for transgenderism on steroids. Yeah, it's amazing
1:52:48
how pretzel logic can work. All right, RFK Jr.,
1:52:54
that'll be a fun place to end. He's the Health
1:52:57
and Human Services Secretary. He said in Grand
1:53:00
Rapids yesterday that the world's 500 million
1:53:03
Arabs don't produce science, don't win the Nobel
1:53:06
Prize, don't win the Fields Prize, don't win
1:53:09
the Wolf Prize, and don't produce literature.
1:53:11
He then went on to blame inexplicably the Muslim
1:53:15
Brotherhood for destroying the earlier golden
1:53:18
age of science and literature from
1:53:21
hundreds of years ago. Obviously, this
1:53:25
is not true. Arabs have won Nobels in chemistry,
1:53:28
literature, and peace, as well as the Wolf Prize.
1:53:33
And the Muslim Brotherhood, I don't know, maybe
1:53:35
you can shed some light on this. Why is the Trump
1:53:39
administration and why some figures on the right
1:53:43
obsessively talking about the Muslim Brotherhood
1:53:45
these days? That used to be such an obscure organization.
1:53:48
It's Egyptian. It never. They've never carried
1:53:52
out any terrorist attacks in the United States.
1:53:54
It's not really a terrorist organization. It's
1:53:57
they have spin-offs that were. But why
1:54:01
the Muslim? Is it just sort of they focus
1:54:03
grouped the name and they thought, oh, this will
1:54:05
sound ominous because it's not something that
1:54:07
most Americans are familiar with? Not why not
1:54:09
ISIS or al-Qaeda? Well, I think that the thing
1:54:13
with the Trump administration, and this goes
1:54:15
back to Trump 1.0 in the first administration,
1:54:18
is that if you remember when Trump went really
1:54:20
hard after ISIS, when ISIS had taken over a significant
1:54:22
portion of the Middle East at the tail end of
1:54:24
the Obama administration, then Trump goes in
1:54:26
and kind of wiped him out. The Muslim Brotherhood
1:54:29
and ISIS, those terms were interchangeable, right?
1:54:32
I think when you're looking at it now, today,
1:54:37
you've got, again, Laura Loomer and Mark Levin
1:54:42
and a lot of these people that have the ear of
1:54:46
President Trump that it's not even just about
1:54:50
Iran. It's not even just about Israel, but it's
1:54:53
an anti-Islamic mentality in general. So if
1:54:56
you're Muslim, you are the same as a
1:54:59
jihadist. There is no difference. It's all
1:55:02
all Muslims are jihadist in their
1:55:04
narrative. And so I think that instead
1:55:07
of targeting ISIS or targeting a specific
1:55:11
entity, even just the term Muslim Brotherhood,
1:55:14
it implies all of Islam. They're all in
1:55:18
this together. And I think that that's the narrative
1:55:20
that Benjamin Netanyahu and Israel are propping up
1:55:22
because they're trying to take
1:55:24
on the Islamic, quote-unquote, terrorists and
1:55:27
jihadists and whatever it is that want to destroy
1:55:28
America and destroy Israel and all that. And
1:55:31
then you've got the mouthpieces like Levin
1:55:33
and Laura Loomer and people like that that are
1:55:36
pushing this. And then Trump is repeating
1:55:38
it in the Trump administration. I think a lot
1:55:41
of it is the rhetoric, especially heading into
1:55:44
the midterms, in order to justify this illegal
1:55:48
war that our government's involved in. This is
1:55:53
bigger than just Iran. This is really an indictment
1:55:58
and going after Islamists in general and Muslims
1:56:02
in general. And I think that that's the position
1:56:04
that Israel wants, and I think that it's infiltrating
1:56:07
into the U.S. government. And we'll leave that
1:56:10
there. Peter Ive, thanks for the donation. RFK
1:56:13
is still mad that he had to take algebra in the
1:56:16
ninth grade. Algebra is from the Muslim world.
1:56:19
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