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I'm in a "Why Don't We Just Believe Women" Era · Yo Gavel Gavel! - Court TV Commentary

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  Speaker 1: This is a Bramble Jam podcast.
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  Speaker 2: This week on Yo Gabble Gabble, if you hire a
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  Speaker 2: social media influencer to help your hotel get business and
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  Speaker 2: then you creep on her, does she owe you for
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  Speaker 2: the contract she didn't fulfill?
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  Speaker 1: Judge Ross is here with some semblance of dignity.
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  Speaker 3: And if your snowball fight goes a little too far,
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  Speaker 3: can you sue for it?
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  Speaker 1: And Judge Press tells us real people, real cases, fake justice.
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  Speaker 1: This is Yo Gabo Gabo! Wow, wow, wow. Man, a
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  Speaker 1: snowball fight sounds so wonderful, man. Doesn't it? Sounds like
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  Speaker 1: a better day than what I'm having. You know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean? I love a snowball fight. Don't you? I
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  Speaker 1: love snow. I love winter. You love winter. You love snow.
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  Speaker 1: You love Christmas. You love all of it. I also
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  Speaker 1: love this show, Yo Gavel Gavel. It's a pretty simple show, Brandon.
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  Speaker 1: It is. What do we do? We watch TV, courtroom cases.
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  Speaker 1: You know the ones.
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  Speaker 2: On the YouTube where you can find them for free.
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  Speaker 2: I watch one, tell Brant about it. He watches one,
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  Speaker 2: tells me about it. We try to guess the verdict.
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  Speaker 2: It's typically a fun time. We get a lot of
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  Speaker 2: reviews that say it's a fun time and a pretty
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  Speaker 2: high rating on the Apple podcast, Brant.
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  Speaker 1: And I think what is important, Dan, is you say... Typically,
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  Speaker 1: it's a fun time.
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  Speaker 3: There are times... Where it is not. Where justice isn't fun.
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  Speaker 2: I'm in a real... Somehow, the cases I'm catching lately...
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  Speaker 2: I handed you the baton of sad cases. I'm in
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  Speaker 2: a real, like, why don't we just believe women era
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  Speaker 2: in my cases.
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  Speaker 1: It's real bad out here. I went through a time
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  Speaker 1: of just having sad cases. And then I handed you
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  Speaker 1: the baton. And it's been worse. And I'm over here
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  Speaker 1: just talking about snowball fights. I'm going to just look up, like, cases.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to be like, personal injury report clowns. I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to, like.
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  Speaker 3: Figure out a way to get out of this rut.
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  Speaker 3: I'll go first this time, Dano. I want to introduce
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  Speaker 3: you to Daniel Hassel.
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  Speaker 1: Daniel Hassel.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry. We're in Christina Perez's courtroom today. Who was
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  Speaker 3: a longtime member of the Hot Bench.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 3: She was. Daniel Hassel. Again, the Hot Bench. This isn't
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  Speaker 3: Hot Bench, but a reminder. This is not Hot Bench.
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  Speaker 3: Hot Bench is not about the attractiveness of the judges.
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  Speaker 3: Christina Perez was on Hot Bench, not because of how
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  Speaker 3: she looked, but because she was a judge.
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  Speaker 2: Bench is hot. the people aren't hot or not. We
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  Speaker 2: don't have a comment on this. You don't watch Hot
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  Speaker 2: Bench and go, oh, all those judges are ugly. They're
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  Speaker 2: fine people, but that's not what the show's about. It's
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  Speaker 2: not about the attractiveness of the judges.
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  Speaker 3: If you go into Hot Bench expecting to see a
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  Speaker 3: handful of 10 out of 10s.
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  Speaker 2: We don't have a comment on that. We don't have
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  Speaker 2: a comment on that. You could, or you couldn't. Depending
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  Speaker 2: on your preference, absolutely. The point is that Hot Bench
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  Speaker 2: isn't about how hot they are.
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  Speaker 1: It's not about that.
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  Speaker 3: That's the point. That's not what I'm watching today, though.
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  Speaker 3: I'm watching Christina Perez solo act. Who used to be
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  Speaker 3: on Hot Bench, not for her looks.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Daniel Hassel is suing Scott Happy. No. Scott Happy.
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  Speaker 1: These are fake names. Daniel Hassel and Scott Happy. Daniel
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  Speaker 1: Hassel's cooing. Scott Happy.
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  Speaker 3: $ 1, 200 for medical bills. Both these boys are hockey players
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  Speaker 3: in college. They go to a college in San Bernardino.
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  Speaker 1: San Bernardino. San Bernardino. Different place altogether.
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  Speaker 3: They played together beginning sophomore year of high school. They
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  Speaker 3: go to the same college together now, but now they're
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  Speaker 3: in court. Scott came over to Daniel's house one night
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  Speaker 3: because it snowed. It doesn't snow very often in San Bernardino.
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  Speaker 3: And so they were both very excited about this. Just
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  Speaker 3: two bros enjoying the snow. They go outside. They make
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  Speaker 3: snow angels together. They build snowmen together. And then Scott
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  Speaker 3: throws a snowball at Daniel. And a fun, lighthearted snowball
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  Speaker 3: fight breaks out. It's just a snowball fight betwixt friends.
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  Speaker 3: That fun, lighthearted snowball fight ended with Daniel.
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  Speaker 1: Getting quite hurt.
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  Speaker 3: Scott began to hurt him with his snowballs because he
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  Speaker 3: began to, there was some ice inside some of those snowballs.
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  Speaker 3: And then Scott, as Daniel was on the ground, Scott
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  Speaker 3: stood over Daniel and chucked a snowball right at his face,
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  Speaker 3: hit his eye, and it had some ice in it.
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  Speaker 1: Stood over him. Stood over him. Man, that's like hammer time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Did he give like an action, like it's time to
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  Speaker 1: chill out or something like that?
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  Speaker 3: No, but he does describe it here in a minute
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  Speaker 3: in a very interesting way.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Right now, actually, Scott says, I don't remember it exactly
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  Speaker 3: that way, but I will say this. Danny was laughing
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  Speaker 3: the entire time.
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 3: Even while he said stopped, he was laughing.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, stop, stop. Stop it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And so I thought that it was fun. So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he's on the ground, and I went for the kill shot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you went for the kill shot. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if you should say that when you're getting sued. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: the top 10 things you shouldn't say when you're getting sued.
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  Speaker 2: I went for the kill shot. It's got to be
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  Speaker 2: up there. Yeah, should say it.
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  Speaker 1: 100%. So he goes for the kill shot.
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  Speaker 3: He did this, though, fully anticipating Daniel to jump up
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  Speaker 3: and come after him.
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  Speaker 1: It's a snowball fight.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He could be, you know... baiting me or whatever. And
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  Speaker 1: so it's just serious stuff.
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  Speaker 3: So after getting hit in the eye, Daniel begins to
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  Speaker 3: notice pain and the pain is lingering as he's upset
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  Speaker 3: about this. So Scott left because he knew that Daniel
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  Speaker 3: was mad. Daniel says, as hockey players, I'm used to pain.
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  Speaker 3: I'm used to pain in my face. You know, that
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  Speaker 3: happens sometimes. But the lingering pain in my eye, I
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  Speaker 3: knew it wasn't good. I could tell that this was
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  Speaker 3: not good. My eye was bloodshot. He has pictures of
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  Speaker 3: this to prove that, as well as the bill that
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  Speaker 3: he gets from the urgent care that his mom told
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  Speaker 3: him to go to. He gets his eye fleshed out,
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  Speaker 3: and he has to wear a bandage for a while,
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  Speaker 3: and he has a bill.
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  Speaker 2: Of $ 1, 200. If this case was personal injury court, he'd
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  Speaker 2: have an eye patch.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: You know, and he'd be like, and he'd talk about
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  Speaker 2: how he lost everything. Daniel looks great in this case.
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  Speaker 2: He looks great.
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  Speaker 1: He looks great. Fully healed. Just needs the 1200. That's
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  Speaker 1: exactly right.
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  Speaker 3: So he texts his buddy Scott and says, hey, this happened.
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  Speaker 1: It was your fault. I need you to pay half. Wow.
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  Speaker 3: He's only asking for half. No, he's asking for full
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  Speaker 3: now because Scott refused. Scott said, I'm not going to
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  Speaker 3: pay half. and Daniel's like, my mom wasn't going to
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  Speaker 3: help me with this. She was like, you did this.
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  Speaker 3: You got to pay for it yourself.
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  Speaker 1: You're an adult. You're an adult. So now I owe $ 1, 200.
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  Speaker 3: Scott says, Daniel knew that I didn't come from a
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  Speaker 3: good financial situation. That's why sports is so important to me.
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  Speaker 3: Without sports, I wouldn't be able to go to college
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  Speaker 3: in the first place. I don't have any money.
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  Speaker 1: He knew that.
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  Speaker 3: Daniel says, but you always push it too far, bro.
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  Speaker 3: Scott says, but you have to in sports. You have
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  Speaker 3: to push it all the way. You have to go
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  Speaker 3: for the kill shot. You have to push it as
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  Speaker 3: far as it'll go or else you won't win. Daniel says,
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  Speaker 3: but you hurt me. Scott says, am I competitive?
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Kill shot. Kill shot speaks for itself.
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  Speaker 3: But did I intentionally hurt my friend? Of course not.
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  Speaker 3: Of course I did not. Judge says, why do you
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  Speaker 3: get so competitive with your friends? And Daniel's like, he's
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  Speaker 3: always like this. He's always getting competitive, even with girls.
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  Speaker 3: Judge says, I'm not going to go there. Although I
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  Speaker 3: wish that they would have. I thought that would have
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  Speaker 3: been a fun part of this case, but it's not important.
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  Speaker 3: So Judge says, we're not going there.
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  Speaker 1: Hot bench. Judge says, if.
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  Speaker 3: You see your friend saying, stop, stop, stop, why don't
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  Speaker 3: you stop?
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  Speaker 1: It's a snowball fight with a friend. It's not more
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  Speaker 1: than that.
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  Speaker 3: And Scott just says, I thought that we were still
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  Speaker 3: having fun when he said, stop, stop, stop.
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  Speaker 1: Judge is ready to rule. Yeah, so here's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: Normally, if two people are in a snowball fight and
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  Speaker 2: somebody gets injured, you're not going to get any money
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  Speaker 2: because you entered into that snowball fight just as much
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  Speaker 2: as they did.
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  Speaker 3: Sure.
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  Speaker 2: We have a lot of information here that suggests this
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  Speaker 2: wasn't that. On top of this guy, the guy's saying stop,
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  Speaker 2: even laughing, he's saying stop, and he said, I went
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  Speaker 2: for the kill shot.
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  Speaker 1: For what it's worth.
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  Speaker 3: There is a disagreement about whether or not he was
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  Speaker 3: standing over top of him when he went for that
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  Speaker 3: kill shot.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: For what that's worth.
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  Speaker 2: Had to go for the kill shot. I wouldn't be
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  Speaker 2: inclined to give him the money. I'm going to say
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  Speaker 2: Judge Perez, hot bench.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that's the program. Split it. 600 each.
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  Speaker 3: A judge says, I think that you went over what
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  Speaker 3: is reasonable for a snowball fight.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You did not act in the best duty of care
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  Speaker 1: for your friend. Correct.
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  Speaker 3: Your friend is asking for $ 1, 200, and I think that
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  Speaker 3: the law shows that you owe that.
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  Speaker 1: Great.
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  Speaker 3: Daniel, is your offer to only pay half still on
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  Speaker 3: the table? Daniel says no. Based on the evidence, Daniel
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  Speaker 3: gets $ 1, 200.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Daniel could have gone back and said, sure, pay half.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, no, we're here.
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  Speaker 3: We're here.
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  Speaker 1: We're not family.
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  Speaker 3: This is a classic use it or lose it situation.
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  Speaker 3: And you didn't use it.
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  Speaker 1: And so now you lost it. And you lost more
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  Speaker 1: than you could have. That's right. So there you go. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Good for Perez. That's what I would have ruled. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Fine.
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  Speaker 1: As all things considered, lighthearted. Thank God. Lighthearted case. Because
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  Speaker 1: my case probably needs a content warning.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, no.
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  Speaker 1: Just from a standpoint of like, this could be triggering
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  Speaker 1: to folks.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I guess you just did it. I did it.
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  Speaker 2: But do it in like a serious podcasting voice. No,
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  Speaker 2: but if you're listening, in all honesty, if you're listening and...
• 9:38
  Speaker 2: you know, this, like, this is sexual harassment is what
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  Speaker 2: this is. Uh, and it's done. It's, it's described like
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  Speaker 2: something that could give you some PTSD. Maybe, maybe you don't,
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  Speaker 2: maybe you don't listen. Um, I will say at least,
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  Speaker 2: at least it has a good ruling and, uh, we,
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  Speaker 2: we get some, some good justice here. That is the
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  Speaker 2: good news about this case. No trigger warning for the
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  Speaker 2: kill shot. Judge Ross, no trigger warning there. Different thing.
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  Speaker 2: Different trigger, different warning.
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  Speaker 1: Hot bench. Judge Ross. Justice is not a foreign concept.
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  Speaker 3: That means like an opposite trigger warning for Hopped Edge.
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  Speaker 3: You're not watching what you think you might be watching.
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  Speaker 3: Just disclaimer, this isn't about regular court. Judge Ross, that
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  Speaker 3: would be a great funny thing to do. Judge Ross,
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  Speaker 3: justice is not a foreign concept.
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  Speaker 2: He wants you to understand it. Wilson Neville is suing
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  Speaker 2: Sophia Kent. For $ 750. Wilson says, Your Honor, this is
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  Speaker 2: plain and simple. She's in breach of contract. This guy's
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  Speaker 2: probably 48 to 50. He's in a suit and tie.
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  Speaker 2: We did a contract agreeing. She'd do three social media
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  Speaker 2: posts in exchange for three nights in my hotel.
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  Speaker 1: And to be clear, he is suing her. That's right. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Suing her for $ 750. for breach of contract.
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  Speaker 1: Got it.
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  Speaker 2: So she says, no, Sophia, it says, your honor, I'm
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  Speaker 2: a social media influencer. And she does look like one
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  Speaker 2: of those classic social media influencers. Uh, she's probably in
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  Speaker 2: her late twenties, early thirties. She's like tall red hair, like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, very expressive.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. is she like uh specific to like travel influencing
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  Speaker 3: or she just said no and i i don't know
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  Speaker 3: sometimes with ross it's a little squirrely i don't know
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  Speaker 3: but she says uh i'm a social media influencer i
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  Speaker 3: have over 300 000 followers on instagram my job how
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  Speaker 3: i make a living is i exchange posts for money
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  Speaker 3: monetary benefits or freebies and he's like so bartering and
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  Speaker 3: she's like yeah sure although i don't know how you make.
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  Speaker 2: A living off of exchanging posts for a free hotel
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  Speaker 2: night i don't know how that would but I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not a social media influencer. I have no plans
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  Speaker 2: to be one, but you can check out polar seltzer
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  Speaker 2: at your nearest, uh.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, Sophia, the original today. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. Uh, Sophia is like, I've been doing this
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  Speaker 1: for two years. I really love it. Wilson says, so
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  Speaker 1: Sophia contacted me. I didn't reach out to her. She
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  Speaker 1: contacted me. So if he was like, I'm based in
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  Speaker 1: Los Angeles. So I looked for little spots, uh, close
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  Speaker 1: to Los Angeles for like a little vacation. It would
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  Speaker 1: be easy for me to get to that. I can highlight.
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  Speaker 2: It seems to go well on my social media, social media,
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  Speaker 2: social media page. And I found his hotel, which is in, he,
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  Speaker 2: she told me the name. I remember it's just outside
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  Speaker 2: of Los Angeles and I contacted him, Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Neville.
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  Speaker 3: I did.
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  Speaker 2: Wilson says, your honor, I come from a generation where
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  Speaker 2: we work long hours. This new generation thinks they can
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  Speaker 2: get everything for free. That should be been the first
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  Speaker 2: clue that this guy was not reputable.
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  Speaker 3: Um, And also, you could have said no. If that
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  Speaker 3: is your feelings towards the generation, you could have said no.
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  Speaker 1: Ross says, that was your impression of her. And he says, yes.
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  Speaker 1: And Ross says, why?
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  Speaker 2: And he said, well, she didn't finish the contract, only
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  Speaker 2: posted one initial post, and we agreed upon three. Ross says,
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  Speaker 2: there were supposed to be three. Miss Kent, there were
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  Speaker 2: supposed to be three. Sophie Kent says, I agreed to
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  Speaker 2: three posts.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, sir. Ross says, how many did you do? She says,
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  Speaker 1: only one. He says, why?
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  Speaker 2: She said, the first night went great. I checked in,
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  Speaker 2: relaxed for a bit, went to bed, and I posted
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  Speaker 2: the next morning. And everything went great that first day.
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  Speaker 2: The second day that I was there, Mr. Neville brought
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  Speaker 2: me breakfast to my room and came into my hotel room.
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  Speaker 2: He was there for five or 10 minutes. We had
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  Speaker 2: not met yet. That was why he brought me breakfast.
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  Speaker 2: And then he did leave.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Ross says, did this happen? Wilson says, yes, it did.
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  Speaker 2: I went up there to meet her in person to
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  Speaker 2: make sure her stay was accommodating. We've never done anything
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  Speaker 2: like this. I did bring her breakfast. I was in
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  Speaker 2: the room for five minutes, thought nothing of it left immediately.
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  Speaker 2: Did she invite him in? No.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. She didn't say that. I would assume she would
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  Speaker 1: have said it otherwise. She's very forthcoming.
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  Speaker 3: Anytime I've ever done room service, it's one of those
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  Speaker 3: things where they hand it, and.
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  Speaker 1: You have to be the person to say, hey, come
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  Speaker 1: on in.
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  Speaker 2: He goes in. Sophie said, I actually had to ask
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  Speaker 2: him to leave. He was lingering. He came to my hotel.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a single young woman. I travel for a living.
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  Speaker 2: He has a key to my room. It made me uncomfortable.
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  Speaker 2: Ross said, did he do say anything to you that
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  Speaker 2: made you uncomfortable? And she says, no, but the vibes
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  Speaker 2: and Ross cuts her off and says, we're going to
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  Speaker 2: get to the vibes in a minute. I need to
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  Speaker 2: ask you these questions first. Did he say anything to you?
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  Speaker 2: She says nothing specific in his verbal comments. Ross says,
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  Speaker 2: did he put his hands on you?
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  Speaker 1: She says, no.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, Ross says, did he leer at you or you
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  Speaker 2: know how men look at you and you know, when
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  Speaker 2: it's wrong, did he do that?
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  Speaker 1: She says, yes.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, he said, And this was of a sexual nature,
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  Speaker 2: in your opinion. She says, yes. He says, do you
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  Speaker 2: agree with this, sir? Wilson says, no, your honor. It
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  Speaker 2: was completely professional. Ross says, what did you say to
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  Speaker 2: him at the time? Sophie says, I never want to
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  Speaker 2: make a communication happen. This was the first time we
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  Speaker 2: had met. I tried to give him the benefit of
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  Speaker 2: the doubt, but I just told him, to please treat
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  Speaker 2: me like any other guest. I didn't want any special
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: treatments and I didn't need to really see him again
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: or for him to come up here again. I was,
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: I was create the content. It was going to look great.
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: It's going to be awesome. And then I asked him
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: to leave. Do you know if there was any, um, like, uh,
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: formal approval process for what she was posting? Like, Hey,
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: here's what she, and we'll get to that later, but there,
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: she has, she does sign a contract three, three posts
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: and for three nights stay. But aside from that, she
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: gets pretty much free. So in theory, after he leaves
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: the room, they would never have to talk to each
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: other again. Correct.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: And she says the exact, I tried to write it
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: word for word. Uh, I don't, I don't want it
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: to be a miscommunication. I felt like the vibes were wrong.
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: I didn't want it to be a miscommunication. I want
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: to give him the benefit of the doubt is the
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: first time we had met, he wanted to introduce himself.
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: I just told him from now on, treat me like
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: any other guest. I don't need special treatment. I'll create
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: the content. It's going to look great on my Instagram.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: It's going to be awesome. And then I asked him
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: to leave.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: Fair enough.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: Nothing like get out of my room. Just like, All right.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: Can you please leave? I'd like to eat my breakfast
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: or something along those lines. Ross says, did she do that?
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: Wilson says, yes, she did. And Ross goes, okay. And
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: Sophie says, well, then he came back 45 minutes later
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: to retrieve the breakfast that he'd given me. Ross says,
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: is that true? Wilson says, yes, your honor. I wanted
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: to make sure that first off the breakfast was to
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: her liking. And second of all, that I cleared the
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: plates for Ross says, you couldn't send somebody else to
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: do that? Like, wouldn't you normally just send a staff
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: member to come up and get the stuff? Like, that's
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: not what you would normally do for guests. He said,
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: Your Honor, like, this is the first time we've ever
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: spent money on something like this. I just wanted it
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: to be perfect. It was very important to me. I'm
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: old school. I just don't know how to do this
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: kind of stuff. It was really important that it go well.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: That makes sense. And Ross says, gotcha. Yeah. You're trying
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: to put your best foot forward.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: Because you want her to be as glowing in her
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: review as possible. Wilson says, yes. Then this seems like
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: more of a boutique, like hotel thing, not like a big.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: Ross says, what happened when you went back up there?
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: Wilson says, well, I clearly went back up just to
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: retrieve the breakfast. And then you did that and left.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: He said, that's it. Wilson, uh, Ross says, Sophie, is
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: that true? And Sophie says, yes, but it's important because
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: 45 minutes earlier, I was direct in my communication with
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: him that I didn't want or need that. And I
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: had also asked him to leave and I do need,
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: He admitted that I'm admitting to you now. I literally
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: 45 minutes ago said, please do not do this. So
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: she's like, even with that happening, I'm still on board
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: with doing this job. Still, I'm on board with doing
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: the job. I've made one post. It's the second day.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: I'm planning to make another post. I just need a
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: few hours. I just cool it.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: I relax.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: I go down to dinner at dinner that night. The
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: waiter comes over and delivers me an alcoholic beverage and
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: says to me, it's on the house. I said I
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: didn't order it. He says it's free. I look over,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: and Mr. Neville is at the bar staring and smiling
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: at me. In my opinion, as a young woman, an
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: older gentleman who's in charge of the facility sending me
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: alcohol is absolutely inappropriate. I don't know what's in this drink.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: You want to thank me, send me a basket of fries.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: I have to look out for myself. That's what she says.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: I do love a basket of fries. Who doesn't?
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: It's a win-win. I would take the basket of fries.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: All you single dudes out there, float over some cheese sticks.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? You don't hear stories of
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: someone drugging fries.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: That's right. Fries are safe. Fries are safe. Fries are safe.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: We're going to make some shirts. Yeah. Put that on.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: We're not going to make shirts. We're not going to
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: make shirts. We're not going to make the fries.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: Are safe shirts.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Why are they wearing fries are safe shirts? See, there
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: was a really fun case. No guy will get a
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: logo on the front. On the back, it says, Fries
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: are safe. Yeah, there was a really fun case that
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Dan did.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that Dan did. It was hilarious.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: And so we're going to mark it, the Fries are
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: safe tagline. Ross says, Mr. Neville, do you have any children?
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Wilson says, yes, I do. I have an 18-year-old daughter,
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: 15-year-old son. He says, your daughter, in the situation just
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: described by Miss Kent.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: And she comes home and says, I felt uncomfortable, and
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: an older gentleman who owns the establishment I was in
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: sent me an alcoholic beverage. Would that sit well with you?
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: And were you sitting at the bar smiling when this happened?
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: Mr.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Neville says, it would 100% not sit well with me
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: if that happened to my daughter. And yes, I was
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: in fact sitting at the bar smiling. But your honor,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: she was a contracted employee. I was trying to provide
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: the best possible customer service.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: That I could.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: But she asked you not to. I had already noticed
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: she had not posted her second post for the day.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: And I was starting to get worried that it wasn't
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: going to happen or it was going to be negative.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: And so I thought this was a way to smooth
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: things over.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Well, Ross goes, okay, had you posted your second post yet?
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Sophie says, our contract says three posts for three days.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: There is nothing specific about the type of post or
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: when these posts.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: And this is still on day one. No, we're on
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: day two. Oh, we're on day two. Day one, pretty unathletic. Okay.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Day two, he brings the breakfast. Got it, got it,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: got it.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: This is the end of day two. She says, there
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: is nothing in the contract that says when the posts
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: are made. I could have actually made all of them
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: after I stayed.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Some influencers work like that. So there's nothing that says
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: I have to post while I'm here. This is a,
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: just an agreement that I post three times. Um, and,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: but at this point, this is, she is like so
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: well-spoken and she is articulating this in a way everyone
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: should hear to just get the lesson, just beat over
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: your head. She goes at this point, I'm trying to
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: process if I want to post again at all. Like
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: I have 300,000 followers. Some of them are young women.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Do I want to post, uh, favorable content about a
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: place that could possibly be really skeevy or have men
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: leering at you or sending like, do I, is that
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: something I want to be involved in? And I know
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: I signed a contract, but I'm weighing that out. So
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: I didn't post anything that day, which is perfectly within
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: the realm of my contract. So on day three, uh,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: she got up, she was like, I got up, I
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: ate breakfast. I went to the pool. While I'm at
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: the pool, Mr. Neville comes over, sits next to me,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: puts his hand on my knee, which she says the word,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: which Ross says, stop, stop right there. Stop talking to
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Miss Kent. He then literally pivots his chair to Wilson Neville.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: And he just glares for like, I don't know, seemed
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: like an hour. He's like, and then when he finally speaks,
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: he says, that true. Wilson Neville says, yes, your honor,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: but it was only to reassure her after our previous interactions.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Ross says, once again, this been your daughter. How would
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: that make you feel? Wilson Neville says, it would have
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: made me feel uncomfortable. Ross says, you crossed the line.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: You clearly crossed the line.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Mr.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Neville says, I don't think I did. I was merely
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: reassuring her. Ross says, I wasn't asking a question. I
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: was giving you a statement of what you did.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Got to overstand this brother. He's not overstating. No, he's not.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: He's not even understanding. Sophie says I was terrified. Quickly
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: left the hotel. Didn't stay a third night. Didn't post
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: the last two posts. Judge Ross ready to rule.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: Uh, just out of curiosity, uh, is he suing her?
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: For the total amount of money that three nights would be?
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, $ 250 per night in the hotel.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: Even though she left after night two? She did leave
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: on the morning of day three, which I guess would
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: be after night two, yes. That's how I understand that.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: I understand that.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: But she was supposed to stay for a third night?
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: So in theory, if you really wanted to get into
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: the weeds of what he would be owed contractionally, it
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: would be minus one night.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: You would say contractually, if you wanted to get in
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: the weeds, which I'd suggest you don't, but if you
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: wanted to get in the weeds, it would be.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: One post, one night. Right. Figure out what.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Two more nights is what you would think he'd be owed,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: not all three.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Correct. I have a feeling the weeds aren't going to
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: matter here, but that is for... If this ever happens.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: If this was, say, Judge Mathis, who was yucking it
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: up with this guy the whole time.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: Let's just say, if best case scenario, this isn't... Uh,
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: like someone just didn't fulfill the contract.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: That would be how you.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Would handle that situation because they did post once. Uh,
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: but he's not going to get any, uh, any money
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: in this regard. He clearly acted inappropriately. And I think
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: I haven't seen the contract, uh, but if there's not
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: something in the contract that says that the contract is void,
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: it could be void if the influencer, uh, sees fit
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: or feels uncomfortable or whatever, I would assume that she
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: would probably put that into a contract moving forward.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: It's not her first rodeo. I mean, she's clearly done
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: this before.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: But if this is anybody out there, not everybody is
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: as nice as Judge Ross, and I think that that
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: would be good to put in your contract. Hey, this
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: contract could be void. For X, X, and X. He's
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: not getting any money, though. Clearly, he went over the line,
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: and clearly Judge Ross thinks he went over the line.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: He does not deserve the money back, and so that's
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: what I'm going.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: To go with.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Judge Ross thinks, and I do, too, that this
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: guy should be thrown in jail. He doesn't speak to
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Sophie Kent about her business at all. He literally just
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: throws the book as much as he can at her.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Mr.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Neville. He throws the book at the guy who is
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: suing the other person. Exactly.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: He throws the book at him. Obviously, he doesn't get
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: any money, and you can tell if Ross could rule further,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: he would, but he can't. It just seems like this
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: is all he can possibly do. The best we can
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: hope for is that this guy learned his lesson, which.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: I don't think he did. What did he say to him?
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: It wasn't as firm as... He was before the ruling,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: but he basically said, my best hope for you is
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: that this actually is a misunderstanding and you've learned just
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: what you did.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: That's my best hope that you can treat people with respect. Yeah.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: At the end of the day, best case scenario, this
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: guy wasn't trying to be creepy, right? That is the
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: most generous ruling read of this of all time. Your
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: concern over... your business doesn't make it okay for you
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: to touch anybody.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: No. So like that, like you can't use that. Like, Oh,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: I was just concerned about the contract getting fulfilled.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: You can't, that can't be your, to show you just
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: the classic reason that this is, we're in a unfortunate patriarchy.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Like all of the steps before that only seem okay
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: because of the history of our country. Whereas if it
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: was a woman, if you reverse the roles, there would
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: just be no way. there would be no way they
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: would get away with it. There would be no way
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: they would just be like, like you, like you would
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: never even hear that story. You would never hear it.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: But now this dude's like, well, I'm just trying to,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: I'm just trying to make her feel comfortable, which is
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: just BS, like going into people's rooms and stuff.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: So it was brutal. It was brutal out there. It's tough.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: And you know, that's not what the gavel is really about. So,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: you know, snowball fights next time. I think that's the key.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: That's what we're trying to do. All cases matter. We
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: can learn from all cases.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: All cases. Well, let's not. Yeah. I guess all cases
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: do matter. I don't know. I don't know how I
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: feel about what you just said. Well, hot bitch is
• 26:27
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• 26:30
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