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Random Heathen Ramblings: S3, EP20 - Establishing A Tribe/Kindred · Random Heathen Ramblings

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  7 1983 to So, before we get into the topic of discussion, we are
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  going to course, light incense, and I got a different drink.
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  I'm going to pour for us today for myself today.
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  You guys aren't having any because obviously, I'm here by
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  myself, but you're going to see me drink a different drink
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  today, but today's incense sticks that I selected on this
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  beautiful incense and candle light tea, candle holder, and
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  incense burner. We've got a Balsam stick and a
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  ginseng and green tea I believe. So, we'll see how those two pair
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  with each other. We'll see how that goes.
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  That one's lit. Yeah, that one's lit.
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  Now. Let's give this one a go.
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  Okay. Yeah, out of work, beautiful.
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  Bea utiful and aromatic. That Balsam and the ginseng and
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  green tea. Combos are quite lovely.
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  So we got that out the way. Now this next thing my drink and
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  yeah, you guys can give me crap. They'll all you want.
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  This is a like a beer stein. I'm not drinking beer.
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  Obviously if I was that be some pretty thick and red beer, but
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  this is not What you think it is?
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  This is definitely not blood, although it is the makings of a
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  bloody mary. I have not added the Vodka yet.
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  This is a pretty spicy one. I forget the brand.
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  I've had this one before I picked it up a while ago, and
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  it's quite quite quite Tangy through a little bit of lime
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  juice in there, but this is the You know, the piece de
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  resistance as they say in places that say such things, the Vodka.
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  So this is, this is comical as it's a novelty item obviously.
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  But this is Russian vodka. Vodka, 18 product of Russia.
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  It's all it says, but it's obviously shaped in the style of
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  an AK-47 assault rifle. It's almost all gone.
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  This was a gift from my friend who is originally from Belarus.
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  And he lives here in the States. Now, he lives in Nashville,
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  actually, and he's been my good friend for probably close to
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  Years. I've not made a bloody Mary with
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  this yet they say, I guess you can get these things readily
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  available in the state's. I'm not, I'm not a vodka drink
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  or so, I don't, I can't say, for sure that I've seen one of
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  these, but apparently, they're not too uncommon, but I just, I
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  thought the thing was was really Nifty.
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  Of course, I'm going to save it. And I've drank most of it
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  already just do like, pickleback shots, or is in in Russia.
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  What Gotta Eat, Edward C is the boss.
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  Fucking pickles. It's a tradition.
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  I think specifically during like the New Year celebration.
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  So like during New Year's instead of champagne, they're
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  drinking vodka and pickles, but it's a really good combination.
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  So it's not like your typical whiskey pickleback, or you take
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  a shot of whiskey and then a shot of pickle juice or pickle
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  brine. It's dill pickle.
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  Of course, it's not that bread and butter sugary stuff, but
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  this is again why most of it's gone.
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  So we're just going to go ahead and you know, add a An amount.
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  We don't measure things around here.
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  We just pour until our ancestors tell us.
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  To stop and it's probably about good, probably about equal
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  parts, mixer and booze. This is not the traditional way
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  to fix a bloody mary. Of course, I know that this is
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  go ahead and give that a little spin.
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  I might actually I'm not gonna believe myself for saying this,
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  but that might even be a little bit too much vodka.
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  Not really. So, anyway, there it is.
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  Now a lot different looking than it was before but still pretty,
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  still pretty bloody looking. So.
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  Hmm. Yeah, that was probably for most
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  people anyway, that's like, that's way too much.
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  That's way too much vodka. The Vodka really comes through
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  on this, but I like my drinks strong.
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  And I want to taste, you know, more than just the mixer on
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  things. Otherwise, it's not even it's
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  pointless. I guess it is.
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  You know, I'm not going to taste the booze and why is even the
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  booze in there? So it's a ridiculous thing.
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  There's no, I said it and shake it.
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  I didn't, you know, add the rim glass, you know, seasoning
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  around the glass, the celery, the The horseradish, the this
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  and that it's just a real quick thing because it's all I've got
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  in the house right now. I've got to go out and restock
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  my Scotch Supply. So it's a Bloody Mary today. and
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  since this is a, Airing, during the morning hours of Thursday.
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  This is, this is when the podcast airs, it looks a little
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  bit more realistic, right? We're drinking Bloody Marys.
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  It's a popular breakfast or brunch beverage.
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  It's one of my favorite brunch breakfast is I'm not a brunch or
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  breakfast drinks. I should say, I said, I said
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  that the drink was a breakfast which Man, I guess you could
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  make it a breakfast. It's got your vegetables.
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  It's got your grain and the alcohol.
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  It's got your fruit with the lime.
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  And if you're going to add other things to it, like, you know,
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  any other sort of a accessories that I've seen beef stick, I've
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  seen pepperonis. I've seen, you know, sausages,
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  I've seen Jerky, there's a place around here that I want to try.
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  It's got a whole frickin chicken.
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  Inside of the thing. It's like 55 ounces of fish bowl
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  drink with a whole fried chicken dumped in there.
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  But that's not what today's topic of discussion is and I
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  appreciate you guys and gals out here.
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  Indulging me while I talk a bit about my Bloody Mary that, you
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  know, I'm having. But today's topic of discussion
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  is a again, a viewer request. And I won't say the last name.
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  So I'm just going to say this is a request from Kristen on the
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  Facebook post from a couple of weeks back.
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  We're in. I asked a what do you guys want
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  to hear rambling on the podcast? What is some of the things that
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  you would like to hear? So the the topic that Kristen
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  was asking about is the topic of establishing.
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  Kindred or establishing a group establishing a tribe, that sort
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  of thing. And I've been, I've talked a lot
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  about the importance of tribe and the importance of having
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  groups to assemble with, you know, like-minded people who you
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  can share in ritual with and experience the beauty of what
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  Heathen re is. So that's what today's topic is
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  going to be about before we get into all that a couple of more
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  housekeeping things I got Announcements to make one.
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  Is that next weekend? So, the weekend of the 18th in
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  Springfield, Tennessee. I think I mentioned this a
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  couple of podcasts ago about soon upload.
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  I mentioned during the podcast. I said Spring Hill that's wrong.
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  This is in Springfield which is north Northeast or so of
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  Nashville, Spring Hill is South. So that would have been bad when
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  they where is it and Spring Hill?
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  Well, it's not in Spring Hill, Jesse you moron.
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  It's it's in Springfield. So, anyway, Springfield
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  Tennessee. The event link is going to be
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  posted in the description and show notes of this podcast.
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  So, if you're interested about what I'm talking about, there
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  you go. But anyway, it is a mid summer
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  or summertime Heathen Gathering celebration hosted by the fine
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  people of the Raven, Moon, Hearth Kindred, which is a
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  Germanic Heathen. You know, Germanic polytheist
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  group. They have a lot of public events
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  throughout the year. They do their feast of the
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  Fallen usually, in the early spring.
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  They I have soon a bloat and then they have Shadow moot
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  towards the end of the year and like October.
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  So and so these are open public events.
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  These are things that are, you know, they, they welcomed in not
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  just heathens but any other sort of eclectic pagans neo-pagans,
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  anybody that's just interested, curious wants to come and check
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  them out. This year's going to be a really
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  fun turn out. I think I know the chieftain
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  Greg. He's a good friend of mine and
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  has been on. this channel, the YouTube channel before and we
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  haven't really like We may have actually talked as far as on the
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  podcast once before. I think he may have been on the
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  podcast, but you guys are on the, on the YouTube channel, go
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  to my YouTube channel, midgard, musings, and just search.
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  My video catalog for anything to do with Greg Strong or Raven,
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  Moon Hearth and you'll see, but he's a great guy.
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  They got games. They've got a ritual plans.
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  They're opening up camping to those folks who want to stay,
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  you know, late overnight. You know, enjoy their drink and
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  stuff like that, and still be be safe without having to worry
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  about traveling, you know, but it is going to be there in
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  Springfield. I'm not staying the whole night,
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  but I will be there on Saturday, June 18th.
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  My wife, and I are going and hopefully other folks Associated
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  and members of My Tribe, clear really folk, so, it's gonna be a
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  fun kind of inter tribal Gathering.
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  I will be there offering Rune readings for a nominal fee.
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  Feet. So for 10 bucks you show up.
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  You get a ticket for the event through through Raven, Moon
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  heart. They have a PayPal ticket link.
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  That's going to be again shared in the event description, you
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  know, the event details in the description below.
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  So I think I could day pass is 20 the weekend.
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  If you're going to stay over Saturday into Sunday is 25 and
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  it also covers your, you know, they're going to be cooking.
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  They're going to have food and it's You know, provided by the
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  hosts and hostesses and such so that covers your lodging and
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  meal for the next day. So I will be course asking for a
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  nominal ten dollar fee for Rune readings, while we're there that
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  does help. Of course, support the podcast
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  that help support the channel, help support, what I do here on
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  this. So, I hope to see folks there.
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  If you guys are in the area and you're willing to travel a
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  little bit, even if you're outside of the immediate,
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  Nashville. Middle Tennessee area, I do know
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  some folks who are coming from outside as far as like, you
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  know, for the Fort Campbell, Clarksville, Tennessee area,
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  possibly those coming in from out-of-state, Kentucky.
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  Not sure about where else, maybe Eastern Tennessee, like
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  Chattanooga, ish area, perhaps but yeah, wherever you guys are,
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  I do hope that if you were in a close enough proximity that
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  you'll be able to make it and if you do Please let me know that
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  you know me through the page or know me through the podcast or
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  the channel or whatever would love to get some photos with
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  people in, you know, get introduced to to folks in person
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  should be a fun time. So, that is again next Saturday,
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  June 18th. And then the Sunday after that
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  here in the Murfreesboro, Tennessee area.
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  We will be having a public moot or meet up.
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  Calm the Middle, Tennessee heathens.
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  Meet up or MTH meet up and that is just a kind of like Hey we're
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  going to agree to be at a certain place at a certain time
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  just to be able to meet and interact with with folks in the
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  area to try to get to establish some new connections.
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  You know, meet new faces, seal friends re acquaint ourselves
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  with each other. We used to do these things on a
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  somewhat regular basis. Several years ago before the
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  world got flipped upside down with a pandemic and all that.
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  And it's been a long time since we've done them.
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  So we're excited to reintroduce that that's going to be at the
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  kneecap McAlister's Deli on Medical Center Parkway in
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  Murfreesboro. So again if you are close enough
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  for in the area and you're just wanting to come out and meet say
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  hi, have a bite to eat at the deli.
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  They do have really good food and it's a nice relaxing, and
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  very casual place to to assemble and meet new people and just
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  kind of get a chance to, you know, Know what it's know what's
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  going on in the area. Even if even, if you're not
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  Heathen, you know, if you're even curious, if you're of
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  another type of a pagan non Germanic Pagan, you know, Celtic
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  pagans, I've we all know we have some Roman reconstructionists in
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  the MTH group would love to meet different folks and know what
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  your backgrounds are and just generally have a nice time of
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  getting to know each other and build our community.
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  All right, so I think that's all the housekeeping stuff as you
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  guys are listening and watching. Don't forget that you can
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  So check all that out along the way as we go, but let's Jump in
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  to the topic of today, which is establishing a kindred.
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  People are wondering least. Kristen is wants to know about
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  establishing a kindred and I guess, you know what?
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  It takes. And it's a good question, but
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  it's a loaded question. So we're going to Just Ramble On
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  for a bit and kind of just you know, maybe hit some of the more
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  important points of it. All right?
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  so anytime that I hear about, You know folks interested in
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  starting something like a kindred or use the term Kindred
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  and we'll use the term tribe kind of interchangeably in most
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  instances of Germanic eating. The Kindred model does have a
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  lot of similarities or familiarity is to what you would
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  see in like a church structure, you know, it's built very
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  similarly. Whereas the I'll approach to
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  things is a bit more organic. I feel like there's there's
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  there's definitely organizational structure to that
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  group and a lot of times people will just call theirselves, you
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  know, whoops of the mic a bit, they'll call themselves a
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  kindred and approach a very tribal style of heathen re and
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  working together and being a group, but I think that Matter
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  what you call yourselves, whatever the title, you put to
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  the, to the group. It see it.
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  Oh, it's a collective of people of like-minded people who are
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  wanting to have a close-knit group of of individuals
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  families, even to share in ritual with to share in events
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  with, you know, go out on outings, you know, whether it be
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  camping, hiking dinner events, you know, rituals celebrations
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  of here. Even poor Pagan, holy Tides,
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  holidays, that sort of thing, and, and have a group to be able
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  to do that with that, you know, and trust.
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  And that's very important, especially in dramatic, even
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  read. Because again, so much of what I
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  feel, I've come to realize over the years of my Pagan Journey.
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  As a heathen is the importance of tribe and the importance of
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  having people who you've known trust that you've Built and
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  established weird and frith with, you know, you you tied
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  where she says that weird is already there, but you've tied
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  each other. We are together.
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  Your webs have interwoven. And there there's there is for,
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  if that is establish the, the mutual sense of obligation to
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  each other. So some of the important things
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  I think to remember when considering that, is as the most
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  I need to be looked at. What is the purpose, right?
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  What is your purpose of establishing a kindred or a
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  tribe? I think it should start with
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  that. Why do you want to do this?
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  And if it's you know, if you've already have that establish, if
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  you're like, well I'm you know, I already know why.
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  I just need to figure out the mechanics of it all in the
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  logistics of it. All then that's great.
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  But I'll use, you know, the Middle Tennessee heathens
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  Facebook group. As an example.
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  We have a Facebook group. That is an open online.
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  Yes, it is a private Facebook group because it is needed to be
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  such in order to vet. Membership requests.
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  You know, it's a very simple vetting process where you know
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  instead of just letting everybody and anybody join a
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  group and potentially spam or or you know, share information that
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  is volatile or or try to promote or push any sort of, you know -
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  bigoted Nastiness you know in an online community, we have you
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  know, certain questions. So you know you're going to
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  agree to these rules? Are you going to be supportive
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  of people regardless of their you know political and sexual
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  orientations and all that kind of stuff.
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  Are you won't agree. Not to post anything racist.
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  You know all these types of like checks and balances that you
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  have to put in place for running or or or having an online
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  community, nowadays stuff like that is important. um but in
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  terms of actually the doing of the Kindred type stuff I'm
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  seeing and the reason why I mentioned the Middle Tennessee,
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  heathens group is, I see one of the membership questions to join
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  is are you currently A single or solitary practitioner, or are
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  you a member of a kindred / tribe?
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  And if not, are you looking to be part of one?
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  You know, so it's like a multiple choice question.
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  I am either a solitary practitioner.
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  I am a part of a member. I am, I am a member or part of a
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  kindred or tribe, or I am not a member but looking And I would
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  say that most of the people that request to join em, th are not
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  members of a tribe or Kindred but they're looking they're
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  looking to be part of something. So for folks that are looking to
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  be part of something in their area that maybe they don't have
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  something established. They may look to establish it
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  themselves. So that could be a good reason
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  why, you know, there's really nothing in my area, you know, or
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  what is in my area doesn't fit the the the type of heat and
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  that I that I am and it doesn't line up with the, you know, the
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  approach that I want to take and my spirituality in my religious
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  observation of servants has of this folkway and so forth.
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  So Once you get past all of that, once you get past the, the
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  basics of it, I think it's going to be a little bit different for
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  each individual or for each group of people.
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  Maybe it's a collective of friends of people who have known
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  each other for many, many years that are that are close and near
• 24:34
  and dear almost like Ken to each other much like clearly folk has
• 24:38
  has started to be, you know, this was a collective of
• 24:41
  individuals who agreed to formulate this.
• 24:47
  This I've with the same goals in mind, you know, to have a
• 24:52
  Germanic Pagan tribes in the area that that focuses on
• 24:58
  observing, you know, of the Heathen.
• 25:00
  Holy Tides as attested to, in some of the historical sources,
• 25:04
  like how we vote, observe our historical, you will, how we
• 25:07
  observe, are the historical references to see, got a bloke,
• 25:11
  and how we, and when we do all these things, winter nights, and
• 25:15
  other one, right? So, All of that has been
• 25:18
  established and comes the time of right now.
• 25:20
  What do we do to establish it? And this is where I feel As
• 25:25
  modern heathens, we have a lot of opportunity to utilize the
• 25:34
  various online resources that are available to us for good.
• 25:40
  There is no tribe just online right?
• 25:42
  There's no way that we can recreate the the true meaning of
• 25:45
  tribes and kindred's online. You can have Facebook groups.
• 25:49
  You can have this cord servers. You can run those various online
• 25:54
  forums. To be a sort of like Hub a
• 25:59
  digital Hub as it were or digital meeting place for folks,
• 26:03
  but you're not going to have the true interpersonal tribal
• 26:08
  relations online without having something brick and mortar that
• 26:13
  something Grassroots existing to experience that just like with
• 26:21
  some of the Pagan events that occur in the area, right around
• 26:24
  us. And now Nashville or the new
• 26:26
  Middle, Tennessee area, you know, Raven Moon.
• 26:28
  Hearth has their public events Nashville, Pagan pride is
• 26:33
  another one of the organizers and individuals who rally around
• 26:40
  to organize the national Pagan Pride day and the Pagan Unity
• 26:44
  Festival, which actually just recently wrapped up puff is a
• 26:50
  huge Gathering, a festival, a pagan festival with a bunch of
• 26:55
  Women vendors workshops public rituals things.
• 26:59
  That are LED a great work in getting people together at the
• 27:05
  Grassroots level the in-person level.
• 27:07
  You can't recreate that same feeling by just having it
• 27:11
  online. And I remember vaguely during
• 27:14
  the pandemic or shortly after the pandemics or maybe even been
• 27:18
  that year, when Puff the Pagan Unity Festival, folks decided to
• 27:24
  do their Thing online, mainly online because of all of the
• 27:29
  restrictions that were in place the quarantines the you know,
• 27:32
  you can't meet at places. There's all these you know,
• 27:36
  guided rules and stuff that you know prevented us from getting
• 27:40
  together. They they did something.
• 27:42
  I believe mostly through like zoom and there was no I mean, I
• 27:46
  don't I didn't go I wasn't I wasn't an attendee.
• 27:49
  I just remember sitting back and watching kind of like hearing
• 27:53
  some of the The things that took place in.
• 27:57
  I mean, there was a lot of challenges about all that they
• 28:01
  that they endured throughout all that.
• 28:02
  And there was a lot of negative feedback, you know, not that
• 28:06
  they didn't do their best and not that, they couldn't, you
• 28:09
  know, accomplish what they were trying to accomplish.
• 28:11
  But just the I think it proved to me, write that stuff like
• 28:15
  what we're trying to do the the, whether it's poverty or
• 28:18
  Nashville, Pagan Pride, or Raven, Moon Hearth in their
• 28:21
  public events, or these Middle Tennessee.
• 28:23
  He than me. Eat up sore stablishing a tribe
• 28:26
  or Kindred right? It just proves to me that you
• 28:30
  all this online stuff. Only goes so far when you're
• 28:33
  actually trying to do the Heat and thing or trying to be the
• 28:35
  Pagan, you know, organize those Pagan get-togethers and stuff
• 28:43
  like that. There's no way to effectively do
• 28:46
  that by just having it online. So, That's a good thing, you
• 28:51
  know? Because A lot of people might
• 28:54
  think well it's, you know, it's easier to gather when, you know,
• 28:57
  you don't have to worry about driving to a place or meeting at
• 28:59
  a certain place. That's part of the experience,
• 29:02
  it's part of it. That's part of why it works.
• 29:04
  So well is because if you can't step out of your little bubble
• 29:09
  there, if you're not willing to go out and meet new people and
• 29:13
  how worthy are you to actually be a part of something, you
• 29:16
  know, if you're if you're to reclusive, if you're to
• 29:18
  secluded, if you're to solitary and again, not to take away from
• 29:21
  those, that are solitary practitioners.
• 29:23
  If that's, you know, the way you like to be a pagan then by all
• 29:26
  means, don't stop. I'm just, you know, saying that
• 29:30
  for those that Looking to be a part of something, you're going
• 29:32
  to be a part of, it means you can have to be a part of
• 29:35
  something in person. There has to be that has to be
• 29:38
  that in place. So how does that whole thing?
• 29:42
  Get kicked off? How do you start all that?
• 29:44
  You can use these online platforms, right?
• 29:47
  You can establish things. Like hey this group is going to
• 29:49
  be here at a certain date and time kind of like these Middle
• 29:51
  Tennessee, heat and group. Meetups that we have.
• 29:54
  We're going to be there at a certain date and time, you know,
• 29:58
  just to grab a bite to eat or we're going to play pool or
• 30:00
  we're going To, you know, go for a hike or whatever and come on
• 30:03
  out and meet us and and then when you get to meet people that
• 30:09
  is when the seeds get planted is that and that is when you start
• 30:13
  to determine the caliber and measure the caliber of people in
• 30:18
  your area, you're going to be able to know that these are the
• 30:23
  types of people that I want to have more events with that.
• 30:27
  I want to time or my weird with and then hopefully You're the
• 30:31
  type of person then that they want to share in time or of
• 30:36
  their lives with and and then next thing, you know, the the
• 30:42
  natural organic growth into. Things closer knit than just an
• 30:50
  overall Community because what what some people I think get or
• 30:56
  what some groups, can potentially get into the Trap of
• 30:59
  is when they establish this online. you know Facebook group
• 31:04
  or Discord server or online chat room or whatever you know you
• 31:10
  could you could The barriers, the lines between what it is and
• 31:16
  what you're trying to do, get lost, right?
• 31:19
  The Middle Tennessee. Heathens group is not what they
• 31:21
  really focused. Yes, there are members of her
• 31:23
  the folk in that group. There are also members of other
• 31:26
  tribes in that group. It's just that digital Hub.
• 31:30
  It's just that digital meeting place of.
• 31:31
  Oh, wow. You guys are in Middle
• 31:33
  Tennessee. Okay.
• 31:34
  Well, we're in West Tennessee or we're in East Tennessee or where
• 31:38
  a little bit, north of your south of you, right?
• 31:40
  And know you guys are doing something will cool.
• 31:41
  I'm coming and I'm bringing A few my tribesmen and women are
• 31:46
  I'm bringing some of my group to meet and let's let's get to know
• 31:49
  each other a bit, right? That's what those things are
• 31:51
  for. It's not to replace the existing
• 31:55
  or attempt to formulate an establish something.
• 31:59
  So bear, that in mind to don't don't get lost in the fact that,
• 32:03
  oh, I've got a Facebook group of 500 people and that's my tribe.
• 32:06
  No, that's your online group, you know?
• 32:09
  I mean, that that's a bunch of different people who are
• 32:11
  agreeing to. Common rules and have
• 32:14
  commonalities amongst each other.
• 32:16
  And, you know, who knows how many of those x amount of
• 32:19
  hundreds of people are dozens of people that are in that group
• 32:22
  would end up being Worth to become part of your tribe.
• 32:30
  Or become part of the tribe that is.
• 32:34
  You know, established one other thing too.
• 32:38
  Is that once you start getting to know people.
• 32:41
  You know, because again relationship start from meeting
• 32:45
  of strangers, you know. So there's that bubble that you
• 32:50
  kind of have to step out of some, some of us out here are
• 32:53
  solitary because of our uncomfortableness with dealing.
• 33:01
  With all the people, you know, and getting to know other
• 33:03
  people. It's it makes us uncomfortable
• 33:05
  to Branch out and get to talk to people and all that, and I get
• 33:09
  that. But the nice thing is that,
• 33:12
  especially if you're starting something yourself and you're
• 33:16
  being the one to initiate it, you set the ground rules, right?
• 33:19
  If you're comfortable in a very public area like a Starbucks or
• 33:22
  a deli or a restaurant or whatever, then you've got that,
• 33:27
  you know, you you set the tone, you're on your home turf as it.
• 33:30
  And you can be comfortable whenever you feel like you need
• 33:35
  to leave, get up, whatever you've got that control.
• 33:39
  So anyway. Once you get to know people that
• 33:43
  are strangers and you start building relationships and then
• 33:46
  relationships become friendships, friendships are
• 33:49
  where it starts in the friendships.
• 33:50
  The alliance's are where things can start to become into your
• 33:57
  Kindred your, your tribe your group.
• 34:01
  One thing that I would definitely be sure to Say it is
• 34:06
  that don't try to force anything on anybody.
• 34:11
  You know, you don't want to just be like, yeah, this is a group
• 34:16
  of pagans and heathens. And oh, by the way, I'm trying
• 34:18
  to start tribe, you want in, right?
• 34:21
  We're taking members. We're looking for members.
• 34:23
  We you want to join, you want to, you know, don't don't don't
• 34:26
  treat like meetups and stuff as like a, you know, an opportunity
• 34:29
  to recruit people that can seem a bit pushy and it also I think
• 34:33
  takes away from the natural. An organic way that tribe
• 34:39
  develops. Because if it's pushed, if it's
• 34:42
  forced, it's not going to last, you know, don't rush into it.
• 34:46
  Don't be like, all right, we got our first meet up out of the
• 34:48
  way. All right.
• 34:49
  Now I've known these people for a week or two weeks or a month.
• 34:52
  Boom. Let's go ahead and let's call
• 34:54
  ourselves a tribe. Now.
• 34:57
  Let it happen organically, you know, and I think it's all going
• 35:00
  to depend on the the work you put into it.
• 35:02
  You're going to get as much out of it as you put into it, you
• 35:04
  know, if your life, you know, your job, your relationships,
• 35:09
  your your personal life, your priorities need to be in place
• 35:13
  as well. And if you're taking too much
• 35:17
  out of those other important things, like if your personal
• 35:20
  and home life is suffering just to try to develop a tribe.
• 35:24
  You got to readjust your priorities because Where you
• 35:28
  should be focusing your attention and heart on the most
• 35:32
  should be in your own Hearth. Under your own roof tree,
• 35:35
  however, big or small that is you know and make sure that that
• 35:39
  as well. And established make sure that
• 35:41
  you have a good and strong parth cult to build off of because
• 35:46
  that needs to exist before you can.
• 35:48
  Then here's the other thing to, like, kind of just branching off
• 35:50
  into other topics but like, always.
• 35:52
  See people always worried about, not all people, but I see a lot
• 35:56
  of people that have been worried about You know how they do this
• 35:59
  with the gods and how they sacrifice and how they blah blah
• 36:02
  blah, all the gods, the gods, the gods.
• 36:05
  And they've they skipped to that part and and not addressed.
• 36:11
  How do I Establish a relationship with my ancestors.
• 36:16
  How do I gift and share space with of a tear?
• 36:21
  Where is my Hearth cult? Do I have one?
• 36:25
  You know, a lot of us do. We just don't call it that.
• 36:28
  You may not call it a hearth cult, but, you know, from the
• 36:30
  moment you get up in the morning to how you prepare your tea or
• 36:33
  coffee, and what you do throughout the day, like when
• 36:36
  you sit down to read for the evening or, you know, all these
• 36:42
  little little It's all these little rituals as you may want
• 36:46
  to call it. Right?
• 36:46
  Like that's your heart Colt man, like that's Part of your heart
• 36:50
  called, it's not obviously the daily habits and stuff going
• 36:54
  this. So constitute Hearth cold, but
• 36:57
  the way that you Heathen in the sanctity and in the sovereignty
• 37:00
  of your home needs to be strong and it definitely needs to be
• 37:04
  strong. If you're going to think about
• 37:06
  either joining or starting your own Kindred, or tribe because
• 37:09
  without that strength at home without those roots, being
• 37:11
  planted strongly in firmly there first, then you're not gonna
• 37:15
  have anything, you know, strong to establish or build off of
• 37:19
  later. So meetups are a great way of
• 37:21
  doing it. Using your online presence using
• 37:24
  online. Forums to ask like hey guys, I'm
• 37:27
  going to be in this area. No, anybody come meet.
• 37:29
  Come say hi. I'd love to meet the folks in my
• 37:30
  area start start with that and then as friendships billed, as,
• 37:35
  as alliances are tied, maybe you, you know, start talking
• 37:39
  about things. And next thing, you know,
• 37:40
  there's there's more and more commonalities.
• 37:42
  And then, you know, the conversation Ventures into.
• 37:45
  Well, this is what I'm trying to do.
• 37:48
  I'm trying to establish something that Is a you know, a
• 37:51
  Grassroots tribe or Kindred of of like-minded folks.
• 37:55
  And next thing, you know how the other person's like, dude.
• 37:56
  I've been looking for something like that.
• 37:58
  I would love to be a part of that.
• 37:59
  What do you need me to do? How can I help?
• 38:02
  Oh, I know this that in the other person I can, you know, we
• 38:04
  can get books together. We can have regular meetings.
• 38:07
  We can, you know, start networking like that but it has
• 38:10
  to start organically has to start, you know, with meeting
• 38:14
  people first and establishing those alliances and those
• 38:16
  friendships first and letting it grow organically.
• 38:19
  I Can't stress that enough guys. Don't don't push for all man.
• 38:25
  It's been three months and I don't have a tribe yet.
• 38:28
  I mean you set yourself some goals but don't don't try to
• 38:34
  force the tree to grow. to quickly beyond what it should
• 38:39
  take to grow naturally because the reason why things take so
• 38:44
  long to establish, the reason why things may seem a bit drawn
• 38:49
  out and you may be feeling discouraged, as you're not
• 38:52
  seeing the growth, take place up above Because things are
• 38:56
  happening underneath. The surface has roots are being
• 38:59
  established, precedence is being set, you know, the foundation is
• 39:03
  being laid all that stuff. That happens Subterranean lie,
• 39:06
  like it's happening under the surface, you're not going to see
• 39:09
  the oak tree grow into a mighty and strong 50-foot tall, you
• 39:12
  know, 30 inch round monster, whatever.
• 39:17
  And that's not even a big oak tree but you get what I'm saying
• 39:19
  it's you know you're not going to see that happen overnight,
• 39:22
  it's going to take a long time, it's going to take years but in
• 39:24
  the Meantime, what's happening underneath the surface?
• 39:26
  Those roots are establishing their there, they're taking
• 39:29
  hold, and then that's going to allow everything up.
• 39:32
  Top to grow and flourish, you know, so look at it that way,
• 39:36
  take it take, take time. So establishing a kyndra, should
• 39:42
  be just like establishing anything.
• 39:46
  You want to make sure that you've got a good and wholesome
• 39:50
  root system established a strong root system, a healthy root
• 39:54
  system. establish before any growth can take place and you
• 40:02
  know if there are other people who are of similar minds, you
• 40:09
  know, like if you have people that think of the same thing as
• 40:13
  you are think similarly enough to you that want to Be the help
• 40:19
  that you need. You know, that way not one
• 40:21
  person's doing. And that's the other thing to
• 40:23
  tribe is about coming together to help one another.
• 40:26
  You know, it's not about one person.
• 40:27
  Does everything. It's about everybody has a
• 40:29
  position. Everybody has a place.
• 40:31
  Everybody has a responsibility and all of those respects shared
• 40:36
  responsibilities, come together to be that support system that
• 40:39
  you guys rely on. You know, that's I think a lot
• 40:44
  of time why when kindred's and stuff are being established Or
• 40:48
  growing. There's the there's a lot of
• 40:51
  hurdles that take place because you're growing many like you're
• 40:54
  learning about each other. You're learning.
• 40:56
  You're learning about your identity as a tribe, you know,
• 41:00
  so in the young stages it's kind of like us as individuals and we
• 41:03
  are, when we are young and growing we are, we are finding
• 41:06
  ourselves and we are establishing ourselves and
• 41:07
  there's times when we're getting a little bit wild and crazy and
• 41:11
  we get away from who we really are, because we're exploratory
• 41:16
  where we're learning, we're figuring.
• 41:18
  It all out, same things going to happen.
• 41:21
  You're probably not going to do the same thing in five years of
• 41:25
  your tribes existence that you did the first few months of it
• 41:29
  being a thing. I can say that, you know, for
• 41:32
  the short period of time that heard the folk has been a tribe,
• 41:35
  you know, our, our customs are things have have grown and we're
• 41:38
  still very new. We're still very young.
• 41:40
  I mean, We're going into our, I guess, you know.
• 41:46
  Really truly second year or do we just passed our second year?
• 41:51
  You know things kind of started right around the time that the
• 41:54
  pandemic hit the world. So we've been doing things like
• 41:57
  the way we've been doing it ever since.
• 41:59
  So you know we're only two years into this, you know, I don't
• 42:02
  have the most tenured experience or, you know, and stuff to do
• 42:07
  that, but I can say that as far as how our tribe was
• 42:10
  established, Is how I would look for anybody to want to establish
• 42:14
  anything, take your time, go easy nourish, The Roots, You
• 42:20
  know, and established that with the people who you have to
• 42:24
  establish it with if you guys are on the same page, if you're
• 42:27
  looking to accomplish the same things with the person who is
• 42:31
  launching it establishing, it is a strong enough leader to take
• 42:36
  consensus. From other people that are
• 42:39
  interested, you know. Not everybody needs to be equals
• 42:44
  as far as all that goes, but they have that support system.
• 42:46
  There is, hey, I think this is the way it should be.
• 42:48
  Or I think I agree with you. I want to, I want to support you
• 42:51
  in your decision to do it that way.
• 42:53
  That's good enough to, you know, and then and then go from there
• 42:57
  and then just take those small steps, you know, take those baby
• 43:00
  steps nourish everything from the roots and then watch the
• 43:05
  thing grow. Watch it.
• 43:07
  Something. And don't be afraid to prune a
• 43:12
  little bit once that growth takes place because without
• 43:14
  pruning without maintaining it, it's going to grow up to be
• 43:17
  something wild and crazy. And, and out of control, you
• 43:21
  know, storms will come through and we'll end will knock down
• 43:24
  some of those branches. And, you know, things are going
• 43:28
  to take hold. That may cause some rot to sit
• 43:31
  in and you got to address it, you gotta, you know, pesticides,
• 43:34
  bro. You know, things that are going
• 43:35
  to come in and damage. The growth or try to entropy
• 43:40
  things like that, that will kind of undermine or attempt to at
• 43:44
  least undermine the growth. That's part of the growth
• 43:47
  process. That's part of it all.
• 43:49
  It's not just oh we don't need the tree.
• 43:52
  We planted the seed and we took care of it.
• 43:54
  We watered it, we fed it and now there's nothing left to do is
• 43:58
  just let it do. Its thing.
• 44:00
  No man, once it takes off, and once it starts doing its thing,
• 44:02
  then it's even I think more of a An important thing to make sure
• 44:07
  that it's growing healthy and strong and that you're pruning
• 44:11
  it, where it needs to be pruning.
• 44:12
  You're taking action when the rot sets in or when there's
• 44:16
  disease or when there's a storm that comes and knocks things
• 44:19
  loose a bit and you need to, you know, nourish some regrowth The
• 44:27
  tribal thing, the Kindred thing. It's a living.
• 44:33
  It's living it. It has to be tended to in that
• 44:37
  way and everybody has a partner. So, as long as you are,
• 44:42
  organically seeking that out and not trying to force anything,
• 44:46
  then it will happen and it will happen.
• 44:48
  It's right time. And you're off to a great start.
• 44:50
  So thank you, Kristin for that. Question.
• 44:53
  And I hope that this has helped you and maybe others who are
• 44:58
  looking at either joining something or starting something
• 45:02
  in your area. I hope that it's helped and I
• 45:04
  hope that it's giving you some some food for thought.
• 45:07
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• 45:11
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• 45:38
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• 45:42
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• 45:43
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• 45:44
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• 45:49
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• 45:52
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• 45:56
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