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Killer 'Stalked' Nursing Student Like Prey at UGA · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece.
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  Speaker 2: An absolutely beautiful young nursing student has been murdered. Why
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  Speaker 2: am I hearing about? Why does she go jogging? Why
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  Speaker 2: does she go jogging alone?
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  Speaker 1: On and on and on?
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  Speaker 2: Can we talk about the illegal immigrant that murdered her,
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  Speaker 2: that watched her as she jogged at Uga University, Georgia
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  Speaker 2: and waited for the right moment to pounce?
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  Speaker 1: Can we talk about that? Look?
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  Speaker 2: I hate politics, I hate the Republicans, and I hate
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  Speaker 2: the Democrats, and I hate the independence They lie, But
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  Speaker 2: I want answers.
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  Speaker 1: I want the truth.
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  Speaker 2: Why was this guy here? Why was he not already
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  Speaker 2: behind bars? Why was he not already reported? And can
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  Speaker 2: anybody tell me why this happened to Lacan?
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  Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories
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  Speaker 2: and on Serious XM one eleven. This beautiful nursing student
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  Speaker 2: had a horrible, horrible death.
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  Speaker 1: Look at Lacan. She's absolutely stunning. Her family has.
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  Speaker 2: Supported her, helped her move forward in life, and all
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  Speaker 2: she wanted to do was.
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  Speaker 1: Help other people. Why is this girl dead? Why was her.
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  Speaker 2: Body found on a jogging path near a lake in Athens?
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  Speaker 2: What are we doing to protect our own citizens, the
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  Speaker 2: most vulnerable women, children, minorities. Are we doing anything because
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  Speaker 2: it feels like we're not. Let's start with what we know.
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  Speaker 2: Take a listen to Chief.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff clark a University of Georgia PD.
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  Speaker 3: On February twenty second, twenty twenty four, at approximately twelve
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  Speaker 3: seven pm, the University of Georgia Police Department received a
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  Speaker 3: call from an individual concern for a friend who had
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  Speaker 3: gone jogging at the inter mirror of fields. Our officers
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  Speaker 3: responded to that area and immediately began a search of
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  Speaker 3: the area to attempt to locate the individual. Officers located
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  Speaker 3: the individuals in the area behind Lake Herrick at approximately
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  Speaker 3: twelve eight The individual was unconscious and not breathing and
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  Speaker 3: had visible injuries. Officers immediately begin rendering medical eight emergency
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  Speaker 3: medical responders determined that the individuals was deceased upon their arrival.
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  Speaker 2: This poor little girl, there's nothing they could do to
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  Speaker 2: save her. When I first heard she was unresponsive, I
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  Speaker 2: thought maybe she was just passed out cold, maybe she
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  Speaker 2: was in a coma.
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  Speaker 1: But no, she was left there dead.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to find out all the facts about how
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  Speaker 2: she was left you know, I want to point out
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  Speaker 2: that normally I get a bad taste in my mouth,
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  Speaker 2: my teeth go on edge when I hear campus police
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  Speaker 2: are handling a case. I think back to Kristen Smart,
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  Speaker 2: remember that how badly they ruined the murder investigation. But
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  Speaker 2: in this case, I've got to say, it seems to
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  Speaker 2: me that the UGAPD did everything right, God willing, but
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  Speaker 2: it sounds like they did. You were just hearing Chief
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  Speaker 2: Jeff Clark as he addresses the discovery of this young
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  Speaker 2: girl's body with me an all star panel to make
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  Speaker 2: sense of what we know right now. Before I go
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  Speaker 2: to Jason Dennis, main anchor WTVM on the case from
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  Speaker 2: the beginning, I want to go to a longtime friend
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  Speaker 2: and colleague who I immediately thought of when I heard
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  Speaker 2: about Lake and Riley the nursing student.
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  Speaker 1: It's Phil Vitrono.
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  Speaker 2: We all lived through on the outside looking in. When
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  Speaker 2: Karina Vitrono, his beautiful young daughter, was out jogging, he.
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  Speaker 1: Always jogged with her like my dad did.
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  Speaker 2: That one day he had a back element that he
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  Speaker 2: just couldn't go, And when she didn't call him and
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  Speaker 2: he didn't hear from her, he knew something was wrong.
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  Speaker 2: He knew it was just a sixth sense. Phil Vitronto,
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  Speaker 2: thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: You know. Phil Vitronto, by the way, was hauled.
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  Speaker 2: Out of his daughter's funeral as they were about to
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  Speaker 2: have the funeral to get his DNA taken. Did he
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  Speaker 2: complain No? Did he endure abuse online in the media speculation. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: he was stood at all until Karina's killer was convicted. Phil,
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  Speaker 2: when you see another story, when you heard about Lake
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  Speaker 2: and Riley, do you feel like nothing is being done?
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  Speaker 4: Nancy? When I first heard the story, to quote Yogi Bera,
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  Speaker 4: it was like deja vu all over again.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, we had.
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  Speaker 4: Son Orcott, and then we had Molly Timmitts, and now
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  Speaker 4: we have Lincoln and the situation, the circumstances are so similar.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the perpetrator was not a non US citizen,
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  Speaker 4: had no care about human life, just dump the bodies.
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  Speaker 4: And yeah, I mean when I first heard this, I
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  Speaker 4: felt I went right back to seven years ago, which
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  Speaker 4: was not a good.
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  Speaker 1: Place, not a good place at all. Guys, Phil, the
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  Speaker 1: Toronto is weighing in.
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  Speaker 2: Phil, please jump in whenever a thought occurs to you,
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  Speaker 2: because you have lived.
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  Speaker 1: Through this same exact scenario.
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  Speaker 2: Let me go straight out to Jason Dennis now for
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  Speaker 2: the very lace and what.
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  Speaker 1: We know happened. I'm very curious.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, Jason Dennis, take a listen to Rachel
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  Speaker 2: Bonia Crime online.
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  Speaker 6: Riley sits out on a morning run. She grabs her phone,
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  Speaker 6: telling her roommate that she'll be back after a half
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  Speaker 6: roun at the UGA campus intermural field. When Riley doesn't
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  Speaker 6: return for hours, her roommate calls campus police nine one
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  Speaker 6: one at twelve o seven pm.
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  Speaker 2: Jason Dennis, again, thank you for being with us. I
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  Speaker 2: want to talk about not so much leading up to
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  Speaker 2: the discovery of her body. I want to.
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  Speaker 1: Talk about the evidence.
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  Speaker 2: I want to talk about how she was found, who
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  Speaker 2: found her, at the condition of her body hit it.
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  Speaker 5: She was found right next to a lake next to
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  Speaker 5: the intermural fields. And my son is a sophomore at
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  Speaker 5: the University of Georgia. He actually parts there at the
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  Speaker 5: innermural fields. And so around this lake is a pretty
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  Speaker 5: it's a pretty normal place for students, for people in
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  Speaker 5: the community of Athens, Georgia, to run around. And this
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  Speaker 5: was on a Thursday morning, you know, right in the
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  Speaker 5: middle of the week. Nice weather there at Lake Herrick
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  Speaker 5: and as the you know, Uga police sheep was talking
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  Speaker 5: about and he says, he called this a crime of opportunity.
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  Speaker 5: So she went there running, we assume, by herself. And
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  Speaker 5: you know he apparently mister Obara, twenty six year old
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  Speaker 5: Jose Antonio Ibarra, the suspect here in a legal immigrant
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  Speaker 5: from Venezuela. He lives in an apartment complex. It's literally
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  Speaker 5: right next to this lake. That area where she was killed,
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  Speaker 5: where she was found is right behind his apartment complex,
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  Speaker 5: so essentially a five minute walk for him to that area.
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  Speaker 5: So as Uga police called it a crime of opportunity,
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  Speaker 5: he's still behind bars, no bond, long list of charges
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  Speaker 5: like malice, murder, felony, murder, kidnapping. And she was found there,
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  Speaker 5: like you said, like we heard before, unresponsive and dead
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  Speaker 5: on the scene. So she was left dead there. Blunt
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  Speaker 5: force trauma is the cause of death we know so far.
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  Speaker 5: So we're not sure if there was any kind of
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  Speaker 5: sexual or rape involved. That's not one of the charge
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  Speaker 5: is right now, but we do know that he's accused
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  Speaker 5: of killing her in a brutal way and leaving her
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  Speaker 5: there dead to be found around lunchtime last Thursday, and
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  Speaker 5: students have not been They canceled classes on Friday at
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  Speaker 5: the University of Georgia, one of the top schools in
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  Speaker 5: the entire nation, and the students just returning to class
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  Speaker 5: today on this Monday. So, as my son and others
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  Speaker 5: have said, very somber, very sad vibe on campus. This
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  Speaker 5: is the first murder actually on UGA's campus in thirty years,
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  Speaker 5: according to the staff there at the school.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Jason Dennis, that campus, PD, They're on you like
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  Speaker 2: a cheap suit. We have a family friend whose son
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  Speaker 2: attended j graduated with honors. A musician the works, then
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  Speaker 2: got a job connected to Homeland security. He was a
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  Speaker 2: musician walking down Music Road there in Athens and somebody
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  Speaker 2: threw an ID over a fence at a bar. He
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  Speaker 2: picked up the ID, he walked to the front of
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  Speaker 2: the of the entrance and went, this just came over
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  Speaker 2: the fence, and the cops got him for using a
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  Speaker 2: fake IDA.
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  Speaker 1: He went, I'm not using the fake ID, it just came.
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  Speaker 2: Long story short, they're watching you like crazy, and I
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  Speaker 2: firmly believe this is very well the first homicide in
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  Speaker 2: at least thirty years.
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  Speaker 1: Time Stories with me. It's a grease joining me right now.
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  Speaker 2: Cheryl McCollum, a director of the Cold Case Research Institute
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  Speaker 2: and star of Zone seven hit podcast Cheryl. I've been
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  Speaker 2: to Uga. I've seen the running path. A lot of
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  Speaker 2: young ladies run that path all the time. And I
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  Speaker 2: can't believe, Cheryl, that everybody's screaming about why was she
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  Speaker 2: jogging by herself?
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  Speaker 1: What was she wearing? Was she wearing shorts? Was she
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  Speaker 1: wearing a jogging bra? Why was she alone? Why did
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  Speaker 1: you pick that time of the day. It's obscene.
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  Speaker 2: Why aren't we talking about this guy who came into
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  Speaker 2: the country illegally?
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  Speaker 1: Number one?
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  Speaker 2: He was detained at I believe it's El Paso coming
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  Speaker 2: across the border. They let him go, Then he was
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  Speaker 2: arrested in New York, they let him go, and here
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  Speaker 2: he comes to Uga to collide with Laken. Before I
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  Speaker 2: get on that, tell me what you observed about the scene.
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  Speaker 2: I want to see if I agree with you.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, when you get right there at Lake Harrick, there's
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  Speaker 7: a multi level parking day so this is a well
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  Speaker 7: used area. You've got inner mural fields where the band practices.
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  Speaker 7: You've got a multiple tennis court, when we were there
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  Speaker 7: Friday and Saturday, there were tons of students playing tennis
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  Speaker 7: and pickle bowl. There were elderly people walking the path,
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  Speaker 7: There were people with their dogs, there were people kayaking.
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  Speaker 7: This is not a place that is not well traveled
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  Speaker 7: by folks.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, stop right there, stop right there, Stop right there, guys,
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  Speaker 2: we're showing you pictures that Cheryl actually took for us.
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  Speaker 2: She has been on the ground for the last two
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  Speaker 2: days combing the area to report back everything she could find.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with you completely.
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  Speaker 2: Right now, we're showing you where we believe Lacan's body
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  Speaker 2: was found. Does anybody on the panel know whether Lacin
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  Speaker 2: was clothed or unclothed or partially clothed jump In she.
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  Speaker 8: Was discovered, you know, with extreme facial injuries from what
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  Speaker 8: I was able to determine in my conversations. And of course,
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  Speaker 8: the problem here, Nancy, is something that we all need
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  Speaker 8: to be aware of. As an instructor for the Bureau,
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  Speaker 8: you know, I taught death investigations, and one of the
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  Speaker 8: important points here is that individuals when they are in
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  Speaker 8: areas that are protected like this area is supposed to
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  Speaker 8: be that area is supposed to be watched. It's supposed
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  Speaker 8: to be well traveled, but apparently it wasn't at the time.
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  Speaker 8: And we know these serial offenders, or these offenders like
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  Speaker 8: the individual who's charge here, frequently target areas of people.
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  Speaker 8: And my largest question.
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  Speaker 5: Is, how in the world did they come from New York?
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  Speaker 8: How are they living when they're not working in this
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  Speaker 8: apartment that's only five minutes away from this school, and
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  Speaker 8: you know they were in that area. They've seen he
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  Speaker 8: has seen that individual, if not that individual, other young
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  Speaker 8: ladies jogging by themselves, and they're certainly encouraged to do that.
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  Speaker 8: It's a health issue. It's a middle issue with running,
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  Speaker 8: and so it's unfortunate that we can't protect women wherever
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  Speaker 8: they are. But we know this. Women have a right
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  Speaker 8: to be frightened of certain men, and that's exactly what's
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  Speaker 8: happened here.
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  Speaker 2: You're hearing Dale Carson joining us high profile lawyer out
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  Speaker 2: of Jacksonville. He also and more importantly, former FPI agent
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  Speaker 2: and former beat.
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  Speaker 1: Coop in Miami Dade.
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  Speaker 2: Never lack of business there, Dale, You're absolutely right, Cheryl McComb,
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  Speaker 2: I want.
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  Speaker 1: To get back to the location.
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  Speaker 2: I like that you pointed out how well used this
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  Speaker 2: area is, in other words, populated.
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  Speaker 1: Cheryl.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a runner, and there have been many times, and
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  Speaker 2: you know I've talked about it, well, I will be
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  Speaker 2: running no earbuds in Pilvitronto taught us that because Karina
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  Speaker 2: had in earbuds, didn't hear what was sneaking up behind her.
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  Speaker 1: But no earbuds.
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  Speaker 2: But when you're running, you're in a groove and you're
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  Speaker 2: not necessarily looking around you.
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  Speaker 1: But every once in a.
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  Speaker 2: While, I get a feeling like, hey, I've gone too far.
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  Speaker 2: I need to turn around and get back. I don't
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  Speaker 2: even know where I am right now. And that's what happens.
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  Speaker 2: But this girl, Laken had a route. She had a
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  Speaker 2: particular route, and we're hearing that the defendant may he
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  Speaker 2: rot in hell, only lived a few minutes away.
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  Speaker 1: He knew this trail. He watched it like a predator.
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  Speaker 2: Like a hyena at the water, watching the gazelles approach,
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  Speaker 2: and he waited for just the right one at the.
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  Speaker 1: Right time, and he pounced.
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  Speaker 2: And I guarantee MT you technical legal term that he
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  Speaker 2: did or try to sex assault.
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  Speaker 1: This young girl. He didn't just jump on her for
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  Speaker 1: what to steal her tennis shoes.
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  Speaker 2: No, this guy, I guarantee you I've tacked her and
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  Speaker 2: he needs to go straight to the Georgia Death Penalty
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  Speaker 2: as a pit stop to hell. She did everything right, Cheryl.
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  Speaker 2: They had band practice there, pick a ball, tennis. It's
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  Speaker 2: a very well used jogging path, Cheryl. What else did
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  Speaker 2: you see?
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  Speaker 7: The most important thing to me is the route is
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  Speaker 7: very clear. Where you start at the parking deck, you
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  Speaker 7: run this whole route, you come right back to it.
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  Speaker 7: She was a cross country runner in high school. She
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  Speaker 7: was not unfamiliar with this terrain. So down by where
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  Speaker 7: Lake Perrick is is where it's very populated, a whole
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  Speaker 7: bunch of folks. Once you get to the top of
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  Speaker 7: the route coming back down, that's the part through the woods.
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  Speaker 7: That's where he was waking on her. So again, instead
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  Speaker 7: of asking why was she there, why was he there?
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  Speaker 7: Why was he allowed to stalk and attack and murder
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  Speaker 7: and then walk back home and Nancy from the back
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  Speaker 7: of his apartment complex. So, if you go to Milledgeville Avenue,
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  Speaker 7: it backs right up to this path that leads you
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  Speaker 7: to railroad tracks right over that is the path that
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  Speaker 7: he took to grab her, assault her, and murder her
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  Speaker 7: and as the.
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  Speaker 1: Cris fenced off, is it no Surrey. There's no fence.
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  Speaker 7: It's wide open, and there's multiple apartment complexes that can
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  Speaker 7: lead down to this lovely area. And I am telling
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  Speaker 7: you I saw people in their eighties walking. I saw
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  Speaker 7: people from the community there. I saw students there. It
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  Speaker 7: is a beautiful place. But again from his back door,
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  Speaker 7: as the crow files, it wasn't five minutes.
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  Speaker 8: Is there any visual connection.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, he can see from his apartment into the area.
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  Speaker 2: He's just a few moments where he lives.
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  Speaker 1: I believe with.
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  Speaker 2: His brother, who is now behind bars on other charges,
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  Speaker 2: has had at least three arrests that we know. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: these two enter our country illegally. They live off the taxpayers.
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  Speaker 2: They have an arrest, the brother multiple arrests. This guy
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  Speaker 2: one arrest. They're still here, and he murders our lakin
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  Speaker 2: our girl a Deans list, you know, look at her,
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  Speaker 2: Look at her there, she is all dressed up to
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  Speaker 2: be a nurse, wearing the little white jacket.
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  Speaker 1: She can't wait to take care of other people. That's over.
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  Speaker 1: She was brutally beaten.
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  Speaker 2: Joe Scott Morgan, what can you tell me about her
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  Speaker 2: mode of death?
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  Speaker 1: Guys.
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  Speaker 2: Joseph Scott Morgan is with us, professor of Forends at
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  Speaker 2: Saint Jacksonville State University, and I've got to tell you
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  Speaker 2: I've done several recreations there myself. It's an incredible program.
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  Speaker 2: He's the author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon
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  Speaker 2: and a star of a hit podcast, Bodybags with Joe
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  Speaker 2: Scott Morgan. Joe Scott, tell me about this little girl's
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  Speaker 2: mode of deaths twenty two years old, Dean's list, her
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  Speaker 2: family devastated, and then I've got this sack of crap
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  Speaker 2: behind bars who came in our country illegally and murdered
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  Speaker 2: this girl.
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  Speaker 1: How did he kill her? According to police?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, according to the police. What they're saying is that
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  Speaker 9: she sustained multiple blunt force trauma, and that can mean
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  Speaker 9: any number of things. We think about someone picking up
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  Speaker 9: a blunt object like a bat or you know, any
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  Speaker 9: a rock or that sort of thing attacking someone. However,
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  Speaker 9: you the deeper you dive into this, you begin to
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  Speaker 9: think about Remember you talked about a case of opportunity,
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  Speaker 9: and there's several ways to kind of skin that cat,
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  Speaker 9: if you will, So a case of opportunity, if he
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  Speaker 9: is there, he doesn't have a weapon. Potentially he has
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  Speaker 9: beaten her to death with his with his hands, or
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  Speaker 9: he could have stepped on her. So that's going to
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  Speaker 9: be very important from a physical evenue.
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  Speaker 2: Spin but white, white white, he didn't just step on her.
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  Speaker 2: If his feet were the murder weapons, he had to
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  Speaker 2: kick her brutally. You know when we heard the the
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  Speaker 2: chief of police at Uga say it was crime of opportunity,
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  Speaker 2: that tells me he came down just waiting, like I said,
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  Speaker 2: a hyena, a predator without a weapon opportunity. That tells
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  Speaker 2: me he is like Bundy, used a club, a piece
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  Speaker 2: of wood, a rock, his fists, his feet, And I
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  Speaker 2: believe Joe Scott, she fought like hell and therefore he
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  Speaker 2: murdered her.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, and one other thing, Nancy, it's very important we
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  Speaker 9: have to examine this word opportunity. I wonder from a
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  Speaker 9: physical evidence standpoint, this is kind of fascinating something to explore.
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  Speaker 9: Did he have a hide set up that is an
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  Speaker 9: observable point where he could see people coming and going.
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  Speaker 9: He had picked out the location, and is there physical
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  Speaker 9: tie back set location. Let's think about finger footprints rather,
• 20:50
  Speaker 9: Let's think about also cigarette butts, anything that is left
• 20:54
  Speaker 9: behind that ties back specifically to him, that shows him
• 20:58
  Speaker 9: in some kind of perch there waiting where he's kind
• 21:01
  Speaker 9: of receded back into the woods. And look, you jog.
• 21:04
  Speaker 9: You know that you can't see everybody to your left
• 21:06
  Speaker 9: and your right, but he can see them. He has
• 21:08
  Speaker 9: an advantage who expects to be attacked as they're jogging.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: I totally believe is this Jason jumping? Go ahead?
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: It's Phil truth.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's Phil, go ahead.
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: I totally believe he staked out the area as in
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: with Karina, and with Karina he was found at the
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: bottom of a U so he can see people coming
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: from the left, that he could see people coming from
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: the right. And I believe with Lincoln's murder, he had
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: been following her or watching her, and he planned this
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: out and he just waited for her to come by,
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: and he was most likely hiding somewhere in the wooded area.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: And I believe this is what I believe that did
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: have the idea of sexually molesting her, because what other
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: reasons we would he have just to kill her, just
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: to kill up, like you said, for her sneakers. No,
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: so we don't know if she was molested or not,
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: but we will find out.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Phil Vitronto joining me was the father of Karina Vitronto.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Phil got a question when Karina was murdered, did the
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: perp use an object or his fists?
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: He first hit her with an available object, a rock,
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: back of the head with a rock, and then he
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: used his hands.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: And you know, Phil, I don't like talking about the
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: details of Karna's murder, but if it can help in
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: any way shed light on this, I'll do it. And
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: I want to thank you again for being with us
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: and putting it out there.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: What Karina lived through and what you live through. Karina
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: was beaten so badly. Her teeth were not out of
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: her mouth. She was brutally beaten.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: And in this case, when I look at Laken and
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: I think about her jogging and her worried about classes
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: and making all of her a pluses, and her family
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: just so proud of her getting into a nursing school
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: and her whole future late out, I want to put
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: my hands around this guy's neck and squeeze and squeeze
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: and squeeze. And when you mentioned those girls, Phil Vitrono,
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: you said Vanessa Marcott, you said Molly Tibbittts and now
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Lake and Riley and of course Cornavi Toronto. I mean
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: it's to you, Jason Dennis from WTVM, who's been on
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: the story from the beginning. When I think of my
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: little girl Lucy and the possibility she's just not even
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: just a couple of years younger than Laken. Who wants
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: their daughter in this list? Nobody? When we say Carinavitronto,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Vanessa Marcott, Molly, Tibbitts, now Laken. What more can you
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: tell us what connected this sacker crap.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: To the murder?
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: First of all, Nancy, I can tell you that as
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: my son, like as I mentioned, he's nineteen years old,
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: he's a student at UGA, one of about thirty five
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: thousand students. So this is a large school. You know
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: it well, and you know this, you know in this
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: area right there. I saw an interview with the former
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: roommate of Lake and Riley. She was infuriated that how
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: could something like this happen? She says, you know, there's
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: no excuses for like, okay, she was running or was
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: she by herself? What was she wearing? She said that
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: this area is run often by all kinds of people,
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: all kinds of parts of the day. My son is
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: a runner as well, and I mean he literally parked
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: at the intramural fields right next to that area. It's
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: very heavily traveled, especially on a weekday morning. So you know,
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: he was, you know, allegedly lying in wait and you know,
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: along with being arrested by Ice through El Paso back
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: in twenty twenty two, and then he was arrested five
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: months ago for what they called acting in a manner
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: to injure a child under the age of seventeen. That
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: was in New York City five months ago, and he
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: was released because they couldn't have a detainer on him,
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: so released because essentially they did not have room for
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: him or couldn't keep him behind bars. And you mentioned earlier,
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: you know, his brother, Diego Abara, he was also arrested
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: in Georgia, folks. He had actually accused of using a
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: fade green card to get a temporary job with food
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: services at the University of Georgia. Did not provide further documentation,
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: so he was fire from that job, never officially paid
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: by the University of Georgia. So you have these two
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: brothers that are living there in Athens, in that area
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: and both, you know, allegedly illegal immigrants, and there's no
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: kind of nobody looking out for what they're doing, why
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: they're doing it, and you know, and as Cheryl mentioned earlier,
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: and she maybe can speak to this, but according to reports,
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: there's no visible security cameras or really good lighting in
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: that area around the lake. But the University of Georgia
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: did release a statement recently and then a letter to
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: parents actually about this disturbing incident that they said just
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: last Wednesday or Thursday, like right before this murder happened,
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: they approved some enhanced lighting improvements. I'm not sure if
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: it's for this specific area, but for around campus, and
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: this brings to light, you know, the need for those
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: kind of things.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Can I just point out that the entire UGA campus
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: is forty one thousand, five hundred and thirty nine acres, repeat,
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: forty one thousand, five hundred and thirty nine acres, spread
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: out over multiple counties. Yes, I wish they asked surveillance
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: video there. But this guy is the killer, and I
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: want to know, Cheryl McCollum, what do we know that's
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: going to connect him?
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Do you know, Dale jump in, Here's what a lot, there's.
• 27:27
  Speaker 8: A there's a broader problem that we're all missing here.
• 27:30
  Speaker 8: When people come into this country illegally, the ability of
• 27:34
  Speaker 8: us to vet them out and find out what their
• 27:37
  Speaker 8: personal history is with Venezuela is nonexistent. These individuals could
• 27:43
  Speaker 8: be serial predators in Venezuela and coming here for the
• 27:49
  Speaker 8: rest of the herd, as you've mentioned with an excellent
• 27:52
  Speaker 8: description of the hyenas and the gazelles. I mean, we
• 27:56
  Speaker 8: can't let people just wander into the country. When we
• 27:59
  Speaker 8: used to do background investigations, we had the authority of
• 28:04
  Speaker 8: the FBI to look at the other countries criminal records.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: We don't have that with vengous No speaking of him
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: having left Ennezuela, how do I know he wasn't leaving
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: crime allegations there?
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: I do know this. He is married with a five
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: year old.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Child, Cheryl McCollum. Cheryl and trying to figure out what
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: is connecting him. Obviously he's not that smart. So did
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: he have bloody clothing? Does somebody place him there?
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: What do you know?
• 28:35
  Speaker 7: There's two heroes in this thing, Nancy. First, the roommate
• 28:39
  Speaker 7: that cut his time down from able to hide and
• 28:43
  Speaker 7: cover up and get away with this thing. So the
• 28:45
  Speaker 7: roommate is the first person that alerted us so quickly
• 28:49
  Speaker 7: so that they could get on his trail. The second
• 28:51
  Speaker 7: thing is, I absolutely believe he discarded something in a
• 28:55
  Speaker 7: dumpster from the back of his apartment complex. How you
• 28:59
  Speaker 7: access the pay is where their dumpsters are. I believe
• 29:03
  Speaker 7: a second person notified law enforcement that they saw him
• 29:07
  Speaker 7: discard something. If you look at the photographs that have
• 29:10
  Speaker 7: been released, you see GBI agents searching certain dumpsters. We
• 29:17
  Speaker 7: were able to talk to some business owners there that
• 29:19
  Speaker 7: confirmed without a doubt they were searching for clothing.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Time Stories with Nancy Grace walk through this with me,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Joe Scott, and Cheryl McCollum.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Searching for clothing, her clothing.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Which means she was sex attack, which means we may
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: be able to get DNA from him or his clothing,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: which is likely if he used to rot, which is
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: what we're guessing, or if he bludgeoned her with fists,
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: he will have blood on him.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Looking for clothing, Go ahead.
• 30:02
  Speaker 7: I believe it was his clothing. He was trying to
• 30:04
  Speaker 7: get rid of something that he.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Wore, So then DNA go ahead. Joe Scott jump.
• 30:11
  Speaker 9: In, Yeah, one point here. In addition, to that. If
• 30:13
  Speaker 9: he's getting rid of his clothing, there's something he cannot
• 30:16
  Speaker 9: get rid of. They caught him pretty quickly, Nancy. And
• 30:19
  Speaker 9: because this is such a frenetic event, and I can
• 30:22
  Speaker 9: almost guarantee you she fought back, all right, he's going
• 30:25
  Speaker 9: to have evidence on him in the form of trauma
• 30:28
  Speaker 9: that could have been sustained as from her defending herself, scratches,
• 30:34
  Speaker 9: that sort of thing, but also one other thing. On
• 30:37
  Speaker 9: his knuckles and on the surfaces both aspects of his hands.
• 30:42
  Speaker 9: He might have bruises and abrasions there where he is
• 30:45
  Speaker 9: attacking her, and you can't get past that. He can't
• 30:48
  Speaker 9: explain that away. With that, you can have transfer. If
• 30:52
  Speaker 9: he's broken his skin in any way, you can have
• 30:55
  Speaker 9: transfer of his DNA to her remains there at the scene.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: And that's going to be a I'm trying to take
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: in what you're saying.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: But you got me drinking from a fire hydrant. Could
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: you say that again? And regular people talk, okay, dummy
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: down for me?
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: What?
• 31:09
  Speaker 9: Yeah, So if he has injuries to his hand, Nancy,
• 31:13
  Speaker 9: just think about any kind of abrasion or bruise laceration.
• 31:18
  Speaker 9: If he is bleeding from that area, he can transfer
• 31:21
  Speaker 9: that to her remains. They would have had to have
• 31:24
  Speaker 9: gone over her remains unfortunately, very very carefully at the
• 31:28
  Speaker 9: eme's office to examine her for any foreign DNA. They
• 31:31
  Speaker 9: would have done swabs on her specifically looking for that
• 31:35
  Speaker 9: any kind of hair transfer as well that came off
• 31:38
  Speaker 9: of him transferred onto her. I don't think he would
• 31:41
  Speaker 9: have had sufficient amount of time to prepare her body
• 31:44
  Speaker 9: and to eradicate any other DNA from her.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: When you say prepare body, you mean like Nicole Lovell's body.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: The little girl was thrown on the side of the road.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: If someone had stripped her naked and wiped her down
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: with alcoholic wet wipes, that's.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: What you mean by I prepared the body.
• 32:02
  Speaker 9: Okay, thanks got out here.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: He didn't have time. You're right. I want you to
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: hear more of what we know about this. Poc.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Jose Ibarda from Venezuela take a listen to Dave matt
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: from Crime Stories.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Listen.
• 32:16
  Speaker 10: Jose Ebarra is from Venezuela and came to the US illegally,
• 32:20
  Speaker 10: arriving in Olpaso, Texas with his wife and her five
• 32:22
  Speaker 10: year old son, Dudo. Overcrowding at the center in Texas. Ibarra,
• 32:26
  Speaker 10: his wife, Leyling Franco, and her five year old son
• 32:28
  Speaker 10: are all sent by bust in New York City a
• 32:30
  Speaker 10: week after crossing the border. They are given food and lodging,
• 32:33
  Speaker 10: and Ibarra begins posting pictures on social media about living
• 32:37
  Speaker 10: the high life in New York City. Ibarra is working
• 32:39
  Speaker 10: DoorDash and who Reads When he gets arrested for carrying
• 32:42
  Speaker 10: his wife's five year old son without a helmet or
• 32:45
  Speaker 10: protection of any kind on his scooter. Ibarra has let
• 32:47
  Speaker 10: out of jail. He and his wife split up, and
• 32:49
  Speaker 10: Jose Ebarra ends up living in Athens, Georgia with his
• 32:53
  Speaker 10: brother Diego. Their apartment is a five minute walk from
• 32:57
  Speaker 10: where the body of Lake and Riley is found.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Best day work that his wife ever did, leaving him.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, you'd want to tell me there weren't red
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: flags before this, Cheryl McCallum, you were speaking before I
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: went to Dave Matt.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Go ahead, jump in, tell me everything you know.
• 33:12
  Speaker 7: I just want to really brag on law enforcement, University
• 33:15
  Speaker 7: of Georgia police, Clark County Police, the GBI, the FBI, Nancy.
• 33:20
  Speaker 7: They are photographs they've already released where you can see
• 33:23
  Speaker 7: their command center on the twenty third is set up
• 33:27
  Speaker 7: right in front of his front door. Basically, now, if
• 33:31
  Speaker 7: that's not an old crap moment for this guy, then
• 33:35
  Speaker 7: they take him in for questioning and then hours later
• 33:39
  Speaker 7: they make an arrest. So you're talking about from the
• 33:41
  Speaker 7: twenty second to the twenty third, that is how fast
• 33:44
  Speaker 7: they moved on this thing. And that's how unbelievably seamless
• 33:48
  Speaker 7: all of those agencies work together.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: You know, Del Carson, I want to follow up on
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: what Cheryl McCollum just said, Del Carson. He may lie,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: but you know what doesn't lie. DNA doo right, Beney Claycasen.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: And under the law, you can choose not to speak under.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Your Fifth Amendment right to remain silent, but you can't
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: fight a legal search warrant. And search warrants apply to
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: taking your blood, taking your fingerprint, getting your DNA saliva,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: the works.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: They can police I've done it, can get a DNA
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: for you to walk to, for you to give.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: A voice analysis. So while you don't have to testify
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: against yourself, they can absolutely get his DNA. Don't you
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: know they're going to go through his apartment he shared
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: with his jailbird brother with a fine tooth comb to
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: find everything they can. But they can get all that
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: evidence pursue it to a valid search warrant, Yes, no,
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: del Carson.
• 34:50
  Speaker 8: Yes, absolutely, and that's what they've done. They did another
• 34:52
  Speaker 8: interesting thing which is coming vogue now, which is they
• 34:56
  Speaker 8: take the suspect and put him outside while they do
• 35:00
  Speaker 8: the search, so there's no cross contamination of anything they
• 35:03
  Speaker 8: might find during the course of the investigation looking for
• 35:07
  Speaker 8: the very DNA that could be hers or his. And
• 35:11
  Speaker 8: I find it fastening that they've moved that technique ahead
• 35:15
  Speaker 8: so that they're certain that what they find is connected
• 35:19
  Speaker 8: to the crime and there's no cross contamination as we
• 35:23
  Speaker 8: see sometimes.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: You know another issue to you, Cheryl McCollum. Where her
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: body is found. It's across a busy road, and it's
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: across from a large dorm and a dining hall. We
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: may very well get video surveillance from there.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know what, but something.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: If he lived in this apartment complex, Cheryl McCollum, we
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: may have him leaving and returning to the apartment complex
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: at exactly the time the medical examiner that will be
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: you jo Scott could place the time of death mean
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: we are tightening the noose by the minute, Cheryl.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: No question.
• 36:05
  Speaker 7: And Nancy, when we were there Friday and Saturday, lots
• 36:08
  Speaker 7: of folks were out washing cars, playing with children on
• 36:12
  Speaker 7: their deck of the apartment. So again, the idea that
• 36:16
  Speaker 7: he was not seen is almost zeal to me. It's
• 36:20
  Speaker 7: not gonna happen.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: But I want to talk about.
• 36:22
  Speaker 7: That apartment for a minute. With his brother having you know,
• 36:25
  Speaker 7: counterfeit documents, I know what it took to get both
• 36:29
  Speaker 7: of my children an apartment at an sec school town,
• 36:33
  Speaker 7: one in Athens and one in Tuscaloosa.
• 36:36
  Speaker 11: And you know, you've got to have proof of all
• 36:38
  Speaker 11: kinds of stuff. You've got to have a credit history.
• 36:40
  Speaker 11: You've got to have a criminal history. Sometimes you've got
• 36:43
  Speaker 11: to have somebody that's going to guarantee if you, you know,
• 36:46
  Speaker 11: run out on the bill. You've got to have a
• 36:48
  Speaker 11: driver's license or a state idea, or a passport or
• 36:51
  Speaker 11: social Security card. I don't know how these folks are
• 36:54
  Speaker 11: in this apartment. That's something else that it's got to
• 36:57
  Speaker 11: be looked at.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Cheryl. Because they lied, because they lied, does that have
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: a ring of truth to it?
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Back?
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: To you, Jason Dennis, anchor WTVM News.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Jason, what more can you tell me?
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Because I expect they're going to be additional charges such
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: as rape, such as some sort of sex attack, which
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: is of course an aggravating circumstance under which the local
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: prosecutor can and must seek the death penalty.
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a long list of charges already, and I
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: think that if they're able to, I think they will
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: seek the death penalty to send a message, and whether
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: it be sending a message about we're going to protect
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: our students on this campus, whether it's sending a message
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: about illegal immigration, whether sending a message about you know,
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: not letting predators prey on these students, are really anyone.
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: I mean, this was a twenty two year old aspiring
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: nursing student who had a full, wonderful life of service
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: ahead of her, just snuffed out in an instant because
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: you know, this suspect of Bora did not know her
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: at all. He was not a student in the UGA.
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: He came, like you said, from to Athens, Georgia, from
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: New York City after splitting with his wife and his
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: family there and just to kind of simply put the
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: UGA police chief said that he woke up with bad
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: intentions that day, and it's so sad that, you know,
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: you know, how can you prevent something like that? You
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: have to kind of vet that ahead of time. And
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: the UGA president, you know, like Cheryl was saying, very
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: relieved that they made a quick arrest. I mean that,
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: I mean it wasn't you know, twenty four hours or
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: so when they made this arrest of this man.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Can I talk about the evidence really quickly? Evidence I
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: can deduce from the charges malice murder that means intent,
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: That means he staked her out. He had a perch
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: like Joe Scott was talking about, much like Brian Coburger,
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: who could go up behind the four victims in the Moscow,
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Idaho slaves and watch them. You can see directly into
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: their apartment in that home.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Malice murder, he planned it. Felony murder means.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: A death occurred during the commission of another felony, that
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: being what.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Is it going to be rape? Is it going to
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: be a sex assault?
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: We have an aggravated battery, which means not only do
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: you hurt the person, you deprive them of a limb
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: or a body part like an eye, like they're hearing
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: like they lose their leg What part of her body
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: did she lose?
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: How was she attacked?
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: Aggravated assault which means you put someone in serious fear
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: of immediate bodily harm, false imprisonment, and kidnap that means
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: he moved her even six inches. One inch will qualify
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: under Georgia law as exportation, which means movement for a kidnap.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: So I'm learning all this just from the charges.
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  Speaker 2: Hindering a nine one one call and concealing the death
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  Speaker 2: of another? Did he cover her up with leaves or
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: drag her body off the trail? How did he conceal
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: the death of another? And what does this mean? Cheryl McCollum.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Hindering a nine one one call? Did he throw her
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: phone in the lake?
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: What do we know? What does that mean?
• 40:21
  Speaker 7: I'm deducing that means she was actively trying to make
• 40:24
  Speaker 7: a call when he stopped it. He grabbed it, I believe,
• 40:28
  Speaker 7: and possibly threw it away from her. But interference of
• 40:32
  Speaker 7: the nine one one call means that call was being placed,
• 40:35
  Speaker 7: and I believe she knew she was in danger, and
• 40:37
  Speaker 7: I also believe she fought like hell.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: You know to Phil Vitronto. It reminds me so much.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: He brought it the name Molly Tibbets. Remember Mollie was jogging.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: And she had her.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Phone and she realized this guy, the killer was going
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: back and forth beside her, and she held her her
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: phone set I'm gonna call nine one one, and then
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: she never got to call nine one one.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: I wonder if that's what happened here.
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  Speaker 4: Well, we don't know where the phone is, just like
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: Karna's phone. Karna's phone was found one hundred and eighty
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: feet from her body, so he discarded the phone. It
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: might be in the lake. Who knows? I mean, are
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: you are you sure that she had a phone with her?
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: I know most kids do job with phones toay instead
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: of an iPod, But are you assuming that?
• 41:31
  Speaker 9: Well?
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: I do know that he is charged fill with hindering
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: a nine to one one call. So who would.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: That victim be?
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Guys, if you know anything or think you know anything?
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Did you see her jogging? Did you see him look
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: at him? According to police, he is a predator. How
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: do I know that this is his first victim? I
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: don't know that you think this is his first time?
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: And he commits a murder his first time at the rodeo.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know that I believe that, but I do
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: know I want justice. Her family is suffering. The only
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: thing we can do now is seek justice. So if
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: you think you know anything, please dial seven zero six
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  Speaker 2: five four to two twenty two hundred, repeat seven zero
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: six five four two twenty two one hundred. I am
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: not resting till this guy gets the MAX.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Goodbye, friend,