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The Late Debate | 7 January · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Lately. Welcome to the Late Debates.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the Late Debate. I'm Caroline Marcus,
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  Speaker 2: joined tonight by Sky News contributors Kel Richards and Louise Roberts.
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  Speaker 2: While we start tonight with major news out of Canada,
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  Speaker 2: where Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has announced his resignation following
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  Speaker 2: a nine year reign.
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  Speaker 3: This country deserves a real choice in the next election,
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  Speaker 3: and it has become clear to me that if I'm
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  Speaker 3: having to fight internal battles, I cannot be the best
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  Speaker 3: option in that election.
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  Speaker 2: Mister Trudeau had faced enormous pressure from within his own
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  Speaker 2: party and criticisms of his handling of the economy and
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  Speaker 2: of Donald Trump's threats to impose tariffs on imports from
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  Speaker 2: its northern neighbor call. In one respect, this is a
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  Speaker 2: huge win for Trump and he has continued to troll
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  Speaker 2: a Trudeau over this.
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  Speaker 4: There was a mean that was going around.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, Trump had posted this AI image of
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  Speaker 2: himself looking over what appeared to be the Canadian Mountain
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  Speaker 2: Rages days after joking, well maybe it was half joking
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  Speaker 2: to Trudeau that Canada should become the fifty first US state.
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  Speaker 4: Plus take a look at this.
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump has again trolled him on truth social today
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  Speaker 2: with this post reading the United States can no longer
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  Speaker 2: suffer the massive trade deficits and subsidies Canadades to stay
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  Speaker 2: upload justin Trudeau knew that he resigned, adding if Canada
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  Speaker 2: merged with the US, there would be no tariffs, taxes
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  Speaker 2: would go way down, and they would be totally secure
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  Speaker 2: from the threat of Russian and Chinese ships. Now, I
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  Speaker 2: don't think he's serious about this fifty first date business,
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  Speaker 2: but he must think that this is his scalp.
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  Speaker 5: Course of course it is. It's his third scalp. His
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  Speaker 5: first was Joe Biden, his second was Carmala Harus. Now
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  Speaker 5: he's claimed the scalp of Trudeau and Trudeau didn't help.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Trudeau's been immensely.
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  Speaker 5: Unpopular for a long time now, and for a long
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  Speaker 5: time the Poles have all been saying, look, the Conservatives
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  Speaker 5: are going to whip in. They've got to have an
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  Speaker 5: election by October. So next election, there's absolutely no way
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  Speaker 5: Trudeau's Liberal party can win. So he knew he was
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  Speaker 5: in trouble and he decided, as a judgment called, that
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  Speaker 5: he would rush down to marro Lago and cuddle up
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  Speaker 5: to Trump and see if he could get somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: All that Trump did was make jokes. I mean Trump,
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  Speaker 1: Trump's got a sense of humor.
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  Speaker 5: You've got to understand where he talks about buying Greenland
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  Speaker 5: and maybe taking in Canada. I mean, that is Trump.
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  Speaker 5: But Trudeau looked silly, he looked weak. There he was
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  Speaker 5: sitting in the lap of Donald Trump, just about and
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  Speaker 5: being as nice as he could and tugging the forelock
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  Speaker 5: that and his own deputy, his own treasurer, then decided
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  Speaker 5: she was really unhappy with the way he was dealing
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  Speaker 5: with Trump and Trump's threats of more and so on,
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  Speaker 5: so she quit.
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  Speaker 1: So it just all fell apart.
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  Speaker 5: So it was a very bad judgment called by Trudeau
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  Speaker 5: at a time when he was already unpopular.
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  Speaker 1: And yes, Trump did it to him.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Luise, he was the darling of the progressives
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  Speaker 2: for so long.
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  Speaker 4: Where did it all go so wrong?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, at one point he lost count of the
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  Speaker 2: number of times, for example, but he put on blackface.
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  Speaker 4: Who else could survive that?
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  Speaker 2: And do you remember this from twenty sixteen when the
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  Speaker 2: self proclaimed male feminist elbowed a female MP on the
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  Speaker 2: floor of the House of Commons and told her to
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  Speaker 2: get the f out of the way. Tell me what
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  Speaker 2: conservative politician would have got away with that.
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  Speaker 6: None the police probab would have been called and he
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  Speaker 6: may he may have been charged with the soult. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: I think Justin Trudeau is a classy example of where
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  Speaker 6: idealism meets reality and the two don't really mix it all.
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  Speaker 6: And he alienated as Carl was saying, he alienated his
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  Speaker 6: call base very very quickly because he gave him this glorious,
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  Speaker 6: some field plan of climate action and social justice solutions.
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  Speaker 4: None of which he delivered.
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  Speaker 6: So once they were sort of off the bat and
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  Speaker 6: not supporting him, it was very easy for the opposition
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  Speaker 6: to move in and say, what about the budget. You're
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  Speaker 6: sixty eight billion dollars in debt. I can't even get
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  Speaker 6: my head around that figure. How he's managed to plunge
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  Speaker 6: Canada into so much debt. As we're saying that, his
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  Speaker 6: treasurer resigned. But he just had this sort of glorious
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  Speaker 6: sort of pattern of what he thought would work for Canada,
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  Speaker 6: but he didn't actually put Canada first. He was more
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  Speaker 6: interested in stomping around on the world stage and going
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  Speaker 6: to India destroying that relationship, making things difficult with China
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  Speaker 6: as well about tarifs.
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  Speaker 4: And yet for the average.
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  Speaker 6: Canadian home thinking I can't afford my groceries, I can't
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  Speaker 6: afford to buy a house. Does that sound familiar? So
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  Speaker 6: you know he had to go.
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  Speaker 2: Look, ultimately call people aren't going to care about things
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  Speaker 2: like you are male, feminist and what you think about
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  Speaker 2: climate change, that they can't afford to put food on
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  Speaker 2: the table. And for me, that was his classic response
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  Speaker 2: to those incredible scenes that we saw of Canadian truckers,
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  Speaker 2: you know, during the pandemic. They were all meeting on
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  Speaker 2: the border. They're like in a huge convoy. And what
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  Speaker 2: was his response to that? He smeared many of them
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  Speaker 2: as insurrectionists, as racists. He even froze bank accounts of
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  Speaker 2: people who dared to question his policies and his politics.
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  Speaker 5: Well, there was outrage around the world when he froze
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  Speaker 5: their bank accounts. I mean, these were people expressing their right.
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  Speaker 5: They were going to the capital Ottawa, they were demonstrating,
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  Speaker 5: they were what they were protesting is was vaccine mandates.
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  Speaker 5: And a lot of people are really big, a lot
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  Speaker 5: of people around the world, not just in Canada, I'm
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  Speaker 5: happy about vaccine mandates and the idea that what you
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  Speaker 5: do is you freeze people's bank accounts. That is I
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  Speaker 5: don't know, that's nineteen eighty four. That's George Orwell stuff.
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  Speaker 5: That is terrifying. That was when he stepped across the line.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he really became more like a dictator, like a
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  Speaker 2: nice Canadian dictator, but a dictator.
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  Speaker 4: Nonetheless.
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  Speaker 2: Look, let's return closer to home now, where Anthony Albanizi
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  Speaker 2: has called for four year fixed terms amid mounting speculation
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  Speaker 2: he may already have an election date in mind.
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  Speaker 4: You nod if I hit the right date?
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  Speaker 2: April twelve, April twelve, good, try nineteen good twenty six?
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  Speaker 1: Good heard?
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  Speaker 4: May May seventeenth. Yeah, I think that hang on.
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  Speaker 7: Good v May seventeen or before.
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  Speaker 1: Right, that's mandated. We should have.
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  Speaker 7: We should have four year fixed terms like they do
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  Speaker 7: in most states and territories.
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  Speaker 2: Avoid well, I for one, don't think we'd benefit from
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  Speaker 2: having this hopeless government in power for a second longer.
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  Speaker 4: Let alone an entire year.
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  Speaker 2: But Louise, what's your prediction read the election? Do you
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  Speaker 2: think one has actually been set in in Olbow's mind,
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  Speaker 2: at least.
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  Speaker 6: In Albow's mind. Probably yes, But my prediction would be
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  Speaker 6: May ten because it's the last week of before May
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  Speaker 6: seventeen when they have to go to election, allows them
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  Speaker 6: to get a federal budget through, which means they can
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  Speaker 6: pack it full of sweeteners to try and woo the electorate.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know how that's going to go to cost
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  Speaker 6: living measures, extra security, border security, all the things.
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  Speaker 2: That one can they afford to do that, though I've
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  Speaker 2: seen speculation that they don't want to wait until the
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  Speaker 2: budget is handed down because it would be too ugly
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  Speaker 2: for voters.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, well, possibly, but I still feel May ten maybe
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  Speaker 6: the date, but I think they'll string it out for
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  Speaker 6: the opposition to make them campaign really really hard with
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  Speaker 6: that before showing their hand as well.
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  Speaker 4: But QUL, do you think that he could go earlier than.
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  Speaker 5: That or if My guide on this is Peter Kreedlin,
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  Speaker 5: because I think Peter is really smart, and Peter has
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  Speaker 5: been saying for a long time now, in fact, he
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  Speaker 5: won't risk a budget a louise. That's what Peter's been suggesting,
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  Speaker 5: because whatever he does with the budget, no matter how
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  Speaker 5: sweet he tries to make it, it's going to just
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  Speaker 5: their economic mismanagement. And the enormous debt that Australia is
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  Speaker 5: falling into the budget papers will look so bad he
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  Speaker 5: can't afford the budget.
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  Speaker 7: Now.
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  Speaker 5: That means he really can't have the Parliament sitting in March.
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  Speaker 5: So he's got a call on election early enough so
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  Speaker 5: that the Parliament is not sitting in March. March eighth
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  Speaker 5: is the WA state election, so anytime he can call it.
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  Speaker 5: He can't run the election when the Wa election is on,
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  Speaker 5: but he could even have called the date while it's
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  Speaker 5: on because he's got to have thirty three days minimum
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  Speaker 5: from when he calls the date to when the election
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  Speaker 5: is held. But that's not a maximum. He could call
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  Speaker 5: it for a longer period of time just to make
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  Speaker 5: sure Parliament never sits and his budget.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't agree law Is. I just don't think
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  Speaker 1: he can produce a budget sweet enough.
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  Speaker 2: I think the April twelve date, and I saw Samantha
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  Speaker 2: Maiden report this yesterday. It seems to be firming up
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  Speaker 2: for some people as the most likely. But cal April
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  Speaker 2: is not a traditional date the government's go to elections.
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  Speaker 4: It's Easter.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 4: April twelve is also the Jewish Passover.
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  Speaker 2: And the government is on the Jewish is getting close.
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  Speaker 2: People are on school holidays that are away from home.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think April could be likely?
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  Speaker 5: Look, the problem is this is a desperate prime minister.
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  Speaker 5: He is seeing private polling we're not seeing and his
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  Speaker 5: behavior in Queensland is making it really clear. This is
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  Speaker 5: a man who's seeing really bad numbers in those private polling.
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  Speaker 5: He is desperate. So whatever date he chooses, it's not
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  Speaker 5: going to be the ideal date. It's going to be
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  Speaker 5: the date.
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  Speaker 1: He has to go. He doesn't really have a choice.
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  Speaker 4: Well, he would like to leave it for another a year.
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  Speaker 2: That much is clear now to an issue that will
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  Speaker 2: probably be the issue in the upcoming election for most Aussies,
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  Speaker 2: and that's the cost of living. The Australian newspaper has
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  Speaker 2: declared that the Great Summer Break is becoming unachievable for
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  Speaker 2: many of us as twelve point five percent surcharges send
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  Speaker 2: holiday prices Himalaya high, and that's for those of us
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  Speaker 2: not even leaving the country. Now, they've written that a
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  Speaker 2: toasty in a coastal town can now set you back
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  Speaker 2: as much as fifteen dollars and tomato is extra, while
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  Speaker 2: a belt that's bacon lettuce tomato sandwich that can cost
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  Speaker 2: twenty two bucks, and a serve of smashed vo on
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  Speaker 2: bread can now be as much as thirty dollars in
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  Speaker 2: the popular northern New Southwalds town of Byron Bay Luise.
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  Speaker 2: It's been six years since Bernard Salt, the demographer now
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  Speaker 2: famously said that millennials need to stop buying smashed arvo
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  Speaker 2: because it's smashed avo, because they won't be able to.
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  Speaker 4: Afford a house. But thirty dollars, really, that's a bit much,
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  Speaker 4: I think is.
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  Speaker 6: When Bernard made that comment it was only twenty two dollars,
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  Speaker 6: we thought that was exorbitant.
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  Speaker 4: Which it is.
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  Speaker 6: It looks like a bargain now compared to thirty dollars,
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  Speaker 6: But I don't know, I mean, is it really the
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  Speaker 6: whole smash davo thing. I find quite intriguing because it
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  Speaker 6: sort of dilutes the responsibility for the government and how
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  Speaker 6: they should be making it easier for young people to
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  Speaker 6: buy homes, rather than having to think, well if I
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  Speaker 6: have this toast, orf, I don't have this toast and
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  Speaker 6: I can afford to buy a home in five or
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  Speaker 6: ten years.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, and look, even holidaying within the country, which
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  Speaker 2: a lot.
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  Speaker 4: Of Australians are quite feast.
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  Speaker 2: They can't afford to do anything else, can't afford plane
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  Speaker 2: firs and accommodation overseas.
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  Speaker 4: But that's becoming incredibly steep.
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  Speaker 5: Every day is becoming incredibly seap. I haven't been on
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  Speaker 5: a summer holiday. I've been enjoying chatting with you and
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  Speaker 5: it's really nice. So I haven't been on holidays. But
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  Speaker 5: what my wife keeps pointing out to me is now
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  Speaker 5: at the supermarket, a bag of groceries is fifty dollars.
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  Speaker 5: So if there's just a couple of you, you're spending
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  Speaker 5: one hundred dollars every time you go. If there's a family,
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  Speaker 5: it's at least two hundred dollars. It's every single day
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  Speaker 5: you're reminded of this, and Australians are not eating it.
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  Speaker 1: We're smart people, you're smart.
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  Speaker 5: The result is we know when you push power prices up,
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  Speaker 5: everything goes up, not just our household bills, but what
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  Speaker 5: it costs the supermarket to turn on the lights, what
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  Speaker 5: it costs the people to deliver the goods, the warehouse,
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  Speaker 5: the factory, everything, So all of those prices go up
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  Speaker 5: and we see them now. It means we get more
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  Speaker 5: of those cheack knives and coals because we're getting so
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  Speaker 5: many points these days. But it's outrageously expensive to live.
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  Speaker 5: That's what's going to knock these people over. It's that
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  Speaker 5: old line and it's true. It's the economy stupid.
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  Speaker 2: It is the economy stupid, and you cannot even escape
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  Speaker 2: it when you are on at Christmas holidays. Well, Attorney
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  Speaker 2: General Mark Drapers is preparing to travel himself, but overseas,
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  Speaker 2: to Israel within weeks to attempt to mend the fractured
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  Speaker 2: relationship between the Albanezi and Natanyahu governments. Fractured, I'd say
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  Speaker 2: it's decimated, but you know, semantics, shouldn't it You be
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  Speaker 2: you and Foreign minister going over there to mend relations
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  Speaker 2: with Israel.
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  Speaker 7: The Foreign Minister has visited Israel already. The Attorney General
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  Speaker 7: is an appropriate person to be to Israel. A range
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  Speaker 7: of others have visited Israel in recent time.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, sure, the Borough Minister Pennywong did visit Israel. She
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  Speaker 2: didn't tour any of the October seven attack sites though, Luise,
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  Speaker 2: and look at least someone is going and in fantas
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  Speaker 2: Mike Draper's was supposed to go on October seven, but
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  Speaker 2: didn't last year, but didn't yep, because of the Hesbela conflict.
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  Speaker 4: That was the reason they gave. But it's I think
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  Speaker 4: it's far too little, too late.
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  Speaker 6: The only person who should be going to Israel on
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  Speaker 6: behalf Australia is the Prime Minister of Australia. He should
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  Speaker 6: be going there to clean up his own mess in
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  Speaker 6: order to try and repair the relationship with the Australian
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  Speaker 6: Jewish community, which he's given very little credence to. As
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  Speaker 6: we know, we've talked about at length about this. So yes,
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  Speaker 6: there's an election coming up, but it really would do
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  Speaker 6: him so much good and would be such a supportive
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  Speaker 6: move for Australian Jewish people if he were to actually
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  Speaker 6: go to Israel. So I don't buy this argument from
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  Speaker 6: him that he's sending the right person. He's not sending
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  Speaker 6: the right person. He should be sending himself.
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  Speaker 2: Cal I don't think the Prime Minister can go to
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  Speaker 2: Israel at the stage, even if he wanted to, which
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  Speaker 2: he clearly does not.
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  Speaker 4: That is the last thing he would want to do.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't think that Israel he wouldn't get a
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  Speaker 2: warm reception there.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think.
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  Speaker 2: Jewish Australians would bide at this point after the hostility
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  Speaker 2: that he's shown and his government has shown. But do
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  Speaker 2: you see this as a pre election stunt to how
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  Speaker 2: do you read this visit?
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  Speaker 5: It can't be anything butter stunt if I'm reading the
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  Speaker 5: tea leaves properly, if Benjamin Netn Netta who came to Australia,
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  Speaker 5: he would be arrested. Penny Wong was asked about that.
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  Speaker 5: Now where even dear Old Joe Biden said, we're not
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  Speaker 5: going to want to this stupid warrant from the ICC,
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  Speaker 5: Penny Wong said, we have to respect international law and
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  Speaker 5: respect the ICC. That implies that if Benjamin Netna who
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  Speaker 5: came here.
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  Speaker 1: He would be arrested. So what do you do?
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  Speaker 5: You send your Attorney General who would have to authorize
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  Speaker 5: his arrest if he arrived in Australia. How can you
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  Speaker 5: build a friendly relationship with the nation on that basis?
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  Speaker 5: I think the whole idea that until the policy changes
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  Speaker 5: it's possible to have a friendly relationship is just ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: It can't happen, it's delusional.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think you're right because even with Mark Drapers,
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  Speaker 2: the most senior Jewish politician in Israel. How are they
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  Speaker 2: going to explain to the Israelis why they banned a
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  Speaker 2: former Israeli minister from coming to the country. Recently, they're
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  Speaker 2: increasingly hostile moves the United Nations, and the fact that
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  Speaker 2: meant it so difficult for Israelis to come here because
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  Speaker 2: they'd have to answer pages of paperwork about the National
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  Speaker 2: Service IS. I don't know how you can come back
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  Speaker 2: from any of that, but we'll see how it goes.
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  Speaker 4: Look, let's move.
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  Speaker 2: On to a story now about lime e bikes which
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  Speaker 2: they're being found dumped in largely Jewish suburbs and Eastern
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  Speaker 2: Sydney bearing swastikas and anti Israel slogans. Now, the Australian
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  Speaker 2: Jewish Association says that it has received hundreds of complaints
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  Speaker 2: from its members who've spotted the bikes with these slogans
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  Speaker 2: such as Israel is a terror state, Israel is hell,
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  Speaker 2: and stickers calling to boycott apartheid Israel. Louise, Look, I
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  Speaker 2: find these bikes enough of an I saw they get
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  Speaker 2: abandoned all over the place. I mean, it's supposed to
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  Speaker 2: be environmental.
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  Speaker 4: But as far as I'm concerned, it's just like environmental exactly,
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  Speaker 4: it's cut.
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  Speaker 2: But now they're anti Semitican, anti Israel as well.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, they've been weaponized as mobile racist billboard.
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  Speaker 4: So get rid of them.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I've come back from the Gold Coast this
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  Speaker 6: morning and they were all over Queensland as well, So
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  Speaker 6: I can't imagine what the tips will be full of
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  Speaker 6: them soon. But they're being weaponized in this way, so
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  Speaker 6: just get rid of them, get them off the streets,
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  Speaker 6: take them away from these cowers who are using them
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  Speaker 6: to be hostile to our Jewish community.
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  Speaker 4: Yeahl Louise is absolutely right for me.
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  Speaker 2: This is the last raw because there's such an I
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  Speaker 2: saw as it is, and to top that off, they're
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  Speaker 2: being used now.
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  Speaker 5: I want to know if rests are possible. Presumably the
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: company that owns these things know who leases them, so
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: there must be a record of who has rented these bikes.
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: Therefore a record of who's dumped the bikes with those
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: messages on them, and there should be some sort of
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: charge possible, whether there it's an insightenment of violence or
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: whatever it is.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: I'm not a lawyer.
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: I don't know what the charge would be. And this
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: is what's happening with anti Semitism. We're not seeing arrests,
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: Wh're not seeing people charge. It's going to go on
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: and get worse and worse. And still they start arresting people,
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: start calling people, pulling people up before the courts.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Until that happens, this will go on.
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: There hasn't been enough of enforcement of the existing laws
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: we have. And I mean even does a display of
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: the swastika, display of a Nazi symbol that is a
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: clear criminal offense. And you're right, Cal, I mean this
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: stuff should be electronically stored and the bike companies the
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: data of who borrows the bike.
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: So I'm not sure why it's so difficult to take action.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: Well, if the government hoped it could leave the immigration
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Detaine debacle behind in twenty twenty four, it was wrong.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: In the latest blow to the government's detention regime, the
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: federal government has ruled in favor of a Bhutan born
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: man who attacked his wife with a meat cleaver, ruling
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: against the dumped Minister Andrew Giles's order to strip him
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: of his visa. Now, Louise, this issue continues.
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: To haunt Labor.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: I feel like Tony Burke had at the last in
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: the dying hours of twenty twenty four, given himself special
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: powers to deal with these detainees, and yet here we
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: see it pop up again.
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: It's right now. I've been to wonder what it's going
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: to take for this current federal government to realize how
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: important national security and border patrol is for us as Australians.
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: We want our country to be safe. We don't feel
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: it is safe. These dangerous foreign criminals are released into
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: the community to be rehabilitated or similar into Australian society.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: We don't want that.
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: We want them shipped back to their own countries. If
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: they're going to be criminals here, they need to be
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: criminals back home. I mean, for me, the border security
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: is as important as cost of living as an election issue.
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: We want to feel safe.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Well, the number one core job of a government kelshul
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: is a safety of.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: The people, of course it is.
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: And what I can't get over is how a federal
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: government can be as legally incompetent as this government has.
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: Go back to November twenty twenty three, there was the
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: case the nz YQ I think was his codename case,
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: and the High Court declared that he could not be
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: held in detention indefinitely, I think was their ruling, because
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: his home country wouldn't take him. Apparently, this federal government
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: was caught by surprise. They'd been warned about it coming.
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: They were caught by surprise. They had no legislation ready.
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: They rushed legislation through. They got that wrong. We discovered
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: that Andrew Giles had this famous direction ninety nine that
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: meant that how long they've been in Australia, you know,
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: robbing people and stealing things and beating people up, how
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: long they've been here had.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: To be taken into consideration. We couldn't deport them.
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: Every legal step they've got wrong and this is just
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: another legal step. The day after that decision from the
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: High Court, this federal government decided, well, we'll release another
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: one hundred and fifty criminals into Australia. I mean, quite
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: frankly at the time, I couldn't understand why they didn't say, well,
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: let them all start cases and see if they win.
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: Instead of that, they just let them all go on
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: the base. Oh, we have to want to the High
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: Court decision for a layman that was inexplicable, and I
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: cannot understand a federal government scene being so legally incompetent
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: that they get every step wrong like this.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: Oh it boggles the mind, Louise.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: I just feel that they were ill equipped to deal
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: with it in the first place, as Kel said, and
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: then to cover up they tried to give themselves extra
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: powers and say that they're enforcing curfews and putting ankle bracelets,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: and then the court said again again no, you can't
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: even do that. So we're stuck with these people in
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: the community who are clearly dangerous violence.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: Though where are they We don't know where they are.
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: I mean, do you know if there's one living near
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: you in your street, they one in your neighborhood, to
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: your child's school. It's got to carjack you when you
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: leave work tonight. You just don't know because they have
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: not provided any comfort fact around that for us as
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: Australians as people, and they don't care. They're happy to
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: be living in our lovely country and getting all the
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: welfare and stuff in a nice home, but for us
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: it's untenable.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Of course, they don't want to go back, and they're
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: using the legal system in order to stay as long
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: as they can, and it's working for them well. To
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: the UK now where the front runner to lead an
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Islamic body, has said Muslim children should be taught to
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: identify primarily as Muslim rather than as British, and also
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: condemned New Year's celebrations as pagan. According to the right
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: wing think tank Policy Exchange, doctor Mohammad Wadjid Akt said
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two, most people teach their children to
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: be their nationality or ethnicity first. But this gives such
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: a limited and limited view of yourself and others that
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: this can lead children to be shallow. It is literally
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: how the evils of nationalism, racism and fascism are born.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: And not only that.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: The other front runner for the Muslim Council of Britain
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: wrote a glowing report about the Iranian regime in twenty seventeen. Honestly, Kel,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: I'm not confident either of these candidates, these front runners
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: will promote social cohesion or integration.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: No.
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: Look, I'm going to say this, I need to say
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: it very carefully. There is a sense in which Islam
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: is not like other faiths. It does not closely resemble
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: Buddhism or Hinduism, or Judaism or Christianity in the sense
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: that it embodies a worldview, which is fundamentally.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: A warrior worldview.
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: It's found that the prophet Muhammad was a warrior, and
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: in classical traditional Islam there's a warrior view of the
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: entire world. Now you've got to be really careful. I
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: want to warn you don't make any assumptions when you
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: meet a Muslim.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: The world is full.
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: Of millions of wonderful Muslims, so don't make assumptions about them.
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: But if you look at the ideology in the background,
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: the worldview in the background, in classical traditional Islam, it's
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: a warrior view of the world. That's not what Buddhism
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: is like. That's not what Judaism, Christianity or Hinduism are like.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: It's very different.
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: So I understand why people would look at this particular
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: faith and have reservations. Not about individual people. There are
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: wonderful Muslim friends we have. It's not about individual people.
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: It's about that big worldview, and there are reasons for
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: us to say we want to think carefully about this.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: I think as well, Luise, that it's concerning to see
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: any faith groups say that you should put your faith
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: and a certain ideology religious ideology above being part of
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: the country that you have adopted or that you live in,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: say even in Australia. I think we do see this
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: to some extent, that people from certain groups from other
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: parts of the world originally say associated relate more to
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: that than the country that they are living in now.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: And I think that's dangerous for society.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: It is dangerous.
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: And I was really alarmed to read this story today
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: because I lived in the UK for seventeen years and
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: there was a lot of work done then to keep
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: all fates assimilated within British society. You were British first,
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: rather than sort of saying you're Muslim or Catholic or
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: anything like that in a way, so I find anything
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: that sort of adds more fuel to the five trying
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: to divide Britain will be catastrophic because at subsequent Prime ministers,
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: even Boris Johnson couldn't fix it as an issue. And
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: I remember I was living in the UK when nine
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: to eleven happened, and there was a lot of work
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: done around to keep everyone together as unified force, with
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: al Qaeder and Muslim families being attacked and things like that.
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: So yeah, I just hope that's not replicated here at
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: some point.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: And of course we saw the success of Muslim candidates
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: at the recent elect Brendin's and the and here we're
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: seeing the influence that Muslim groups and Muslim Voice for example,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: as having on domestic politics.
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: So I think it's something to keep an eye on.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Look, let's stay in the UK now, and Prince Andrew
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: has been reported to police, accused of using a false
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: name in company records. Anti monarchy group Republic filed a
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: complaint to the Metropolitan Police over reports the Duke of
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: York had used the name Andrew Inverness in official business
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: fileings Now. It comes as Prince Andrew was thrust into
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: the headlines over his connections to an alleged Chinese spy Kel.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: It's not a great start to the year for the
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: royal family. I mean, how do you think they need
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: to deal with this? What would you say to King Charles?
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: Well, h you know what I do. There's a wonderful
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: quote from an English writer named Hugh Kingsmill. Kings Mill
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: said friends are God's apology for relatives.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm.
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: Sorry, Charles, You're stuck with this blow. He's your brother
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: and he's a halfwid He makes his judgments are so bad.
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: He's in the same category as John Persudo. That's as
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: bad as judgments can ever get. Quite frankly, he just
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: makes appalling judgments. He hasn't made clever judgments, whether it's
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: about Jeffrey Epstein, or about his business dealings, or about anything.
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: So Charles has been trying to contain him, and he's
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: taken him. He's got no HRH title and he'm always
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: got no military roles anymore. He's taken it. He can't
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: appear on the balcony Buckingham Palace. Charles has done everything
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: he can, but Andrew goes on being an embarrassment.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Charles.
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: If there was any way we could help your magency
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: to cope with this.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Man, we'd tell you. But we've got no ideas.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: Can't they just send him to America to live with
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: the I.
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: I was going to suggest that Charles recently hired a
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: new deputy secretary, THEO Ryecroft, who's very smart, used to
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: work in Paris and in the diplomacy there. The Andrew
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: problem has to be fixed this year, and I think
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: Charles will get THEO to sort it, really, because I
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: think the sort of person who'd be very strategic. It
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: takes the family ties out of it. They're clearly not
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: having Queen Elizabeth around means there's a lot of back
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: channeling and massaging a family politics that has to happen,
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: and Charles has no band with that. I mean, he's
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: finding cancer for goodness sake.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: Oh yes, and so is Catherine as well. This is
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: the last thing that they need to deal with.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: And yet time and time again he makes these poor
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: judgment halls, as Kel put it, from Jeffrey Epstein to
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Chinese spies and now.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: This Lonie shameless. He doesn't.
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: He has no sense of what the issues are and
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: how they're causing grief to his family, none at all.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, look, let's bring up since Kel brought him up,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Persudo because closer to home now and Victorian Liberal leader
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Brad Baden has unveiled his new shadow cabinet and he's
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: rewarded his biggest supporters with spots on the front bench
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: now top of leader John Persudo didn't make the cut.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: He was demoted to the backbench, while mister Baden's deputy
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Sam Groth picked up the title of shadows Special Minister
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: of State. But Mura deeming and she was readmitted at
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: the same party room meeting that mister Baden sees the
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: top job. She didn't score a promotion to a shadow
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: ministry cal Look, it wouldn't be the first time that
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: the leader hands the best jobs to his mates.
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: But what did he make of his picks?
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: Well, I was trying to read between the lines. He
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: apparently did not offer a front bench position to Pursudo,
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: but he said I had conversations with him, and he
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: made it clear he had other priorities. So, in other words,
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: the hint was, and this is reading between the line stuff,
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: the hint was, I would have put him on the
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: front bench if he.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Was happy to take it, but he didn't want it.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: And we know why he didn't want it.
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: His job at the moment, he's raising millions of dollars
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: because he's got this huge legal bill that he's got
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: to deal with in some way, something like three million dollars.
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: So I would think he's looking for very generous donors
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: and that is fully occupying John Purscudo's time. Otherwise, just
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: from what Brad Baton said, he might be there.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Well, look, Luise, they say keep your friends close, but
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: your enemy is closer.
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: But it hasn't.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Always worked for leaders when they do give front bench
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: positions to their enemies, political enemies within their own parties.
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: Just look at Tony Abbott and Malcolm Turnbull for.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Example, the amount of backstabbing that can happen.
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: So maybe that was for the best.
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: I don't think a mafia tactic in a movie you
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: can actually always work in a political party sense. But
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: I just want to mention more redeeming. I do think
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: it's a shame she hasn't been given some kind of promotion,
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: but I think she's shown herself to be an extremely
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: strong and influential woman who a lot of the Electric
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: Melbourne are quite fans of her as well. So I
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: think he's mister trick there not finding a role for her.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: Look, I agree with you.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: I think she's really conducted herself with an enormous amount
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: of dignity on a huge pressure, not just financial, but
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: her name was dragged through the mutter, her family was
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: dragged through the matter, accused of associating.
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: With Nazis, and then to put up with a.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Leader who refuses to readmit her after that and uses
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: his casting vote to keep her out of the party.
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: At that point, absolutely appauling.
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: He doesn't deserve a seat at the table.
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: She does.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, on one thing, you're right, kel John Pisuto
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: shows equally poor judgment as Prince Andrew I would say,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: and it's probably a good thing he's as far away
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: from the shadow front prench as possible.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: Looks still to come.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Kamala Harris subjected to the ultimate humiliation being forced to
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: certify her own election loss.
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: Welcome back.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: While US Vice President Kamala Harris has been forced to
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: endure the ultimate humiliation having to certify her own election
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: loss to Donald Trump. Donald J. Trump of the state
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: of Florida has received three hundred and twelve votes.
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: Kamala B. Harris Kamla D.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Harris of the state of California has received two hundred
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: and twenty six votes. Cal I love that she had
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: to just stand there while Trump gets the standing ovation,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: and that her own side gives Harris standing ovation for losing.
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: There are two weird things about this. It's not unknown
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: for the system in America is the vice president chairs
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: the Senate, and it isn't in the Senate that the
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: vice president has to chair the moment when the election
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: result is certified. So that's what's happening, and that's not unusual.
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: It's happened twice before. In two thousand, Al Gore had
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: to certify that George W. Bush had beaten him only
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: by hanging chads, if you'll remember in Florida, and earlier
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: back in nineteen sixty, Richard Nixon had to certify that
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: John Kennedy had defeated him.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: So that had happened before.
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: The weird thing was all the cheering because there was
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: a standing ovation from the Republican side of the House
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: for Trump's win.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: That makes sense.
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: Then there was a standing ovation for her loss from
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: the Democrat side of the House, and you think, what
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: are you cheering? Whyn't you listening to the numbers. The
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: other weird moment was she walked out afterwards, and she
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: actually did quite a good line to the platitude. But
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: I'd been a nice enough line to the waiting media
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: about you know, this is about the peaceful transfer of power,
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: you know, and I'm part of the good guys because
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: we don't do the January sixth stuff.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: I always get this feeling she still thinks she's a
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: possible candidate for twenty twenty eight.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: If that is what's going through her head.
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: She is utterly delusional, utterly delusional, but I think it is.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: And I looked at her today and I.
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: Thought, you still think, you poor thing, You still think
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: you're in there in twenty twenty eight with the chance.
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: There's absolutely she's offended the Democratic Party. She's offended a
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: whole lot of the base. There's no way she's ever
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: going to get another run at another senior political position.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: And I don't think that Penny has dropped yet.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Oh look, a delusion seems to be a characteristic of
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: the Democratic Party. Mean, Biden is still going on about
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: how he could have beaten Trump if they just let
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: him stay on there and his state of obvious cognitive decline.
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: What did he think of today's spectacle?
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: Well, I think Kamala talking about herself in the third
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: person is very bizarre as well. The way she sort
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: of confidently strode out there as well. But let's not
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: forget the night of the election when she lost. She
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: wouldn't even go and see the party faithful. These are
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: people who'd stayed up till three am in the morning,
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: and she was too cowardly to go and see them
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: then and say thank you. For all your hard work,
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: and yes we've lost, but I really appreciate what you've
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: done for me. In the Democratic Party, there was none
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: of that. So for her to turn amount today and accept.
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: Applause for losing, it's like a.
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: Primary school version of getting a participation prize. She's lost
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: the race, which she has done, so remind losing.
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: In one of her videos that she put out on
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: YouTube or Instagram wherever she put that, she actually said,
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: we have not been defeated. You have not been defeated,
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: She said to the viewers. They've been defeated.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: That's what the numbers say.
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: You have literally been resoundingly. They cannot accept it.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: They still cannot accept it while they're going to have
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: to on January twenty, aren't they Look at least, what
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: you can say about January six is that it was
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: orderly this year, But that doesn't mean lefties can't continue
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: to melt down over the last one. The view co
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: host Sunny Houston even stooped to comparing the US Capitol
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: riots in twenty twenty one to the Holocaust.
• 34:41
  Speaker 8: January sixth was an atrocity. It was one of the
• 34:43
  Speaker 8: worst moments in American history. And when you think about
• 34:48
  Speaker 8: the worst moments in American history, you know, like World
• 34:53
  Speaker 8: War II, things that happened like the Holocaust, chattel slavery.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: To compare the January six rights to the Holocaust, in
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: which six million Jews died, not to mention millions of
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: other people, is frankly deplorable. As another famous Democrat might
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: have put it, It trivializes an actual genocide, Luise. I
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: mean you lose an argument the moment that you invoke
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: the Holocaust.
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: Either atuality the Holocaust or Hitler. If you're going to
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: compare someone to Hitler or compare situation to the Holocaust.
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: These are events which you can only talk about in
• 35:30
  Speaker 6: the context of those events as well. And it's also
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: you find it's a very ignorant person who uses that
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: analogy to very lazy too, So she really hasn't obviously
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: thought through the issues. Rather she's just sort of throw
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: that out there to try and get a headline or
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: to get a post on Facebook or Instagram or something
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: like that. So appauling, yes, But also if there are
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: Jewish people watching that show, I imagine they'll be turning
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: off in drives as well.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Oh look, if there's any watching the show like the Viewer.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just the endless amount of content that
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: we get that program. But we didn't see that kind
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: of hyperbole from View co hosts when they're talking about
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: things like the Black Lives Matter.
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: Right now, the Black Lives Matter riots burnt Minneapolis. I mean,
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: that's the kind of domestic rioting, which is what Actually,
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: it wasn't an insurrection on the sixth of January four
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: years ago. It was a bunch of mad people charging
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: through the They couldn't do any problem and any real
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: damage in the end in the Capitol, and they couldn't
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: stop the certification of the election. So it was an
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: absurd thing. And it really, if you analyze it was
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: like any other mad mob that gets out of control,
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: like the Black Lives Matter of people who burnt down Minneapolis,
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: so the CBD in Minneapolis. So it was a stupid
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: thing to do. Sunny hostin, I've got to say he's
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: got a track record. She was the host on the
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: View who asked Kamala Harris, when you look back over
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: your years with Joe Biden, what would you have done differently?
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: And she thought she was giving her a gift, and
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: Krmala Harris being Kamala Harris that I can't think of
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: a single thing, Oh goodness.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: And he actually wanted people to believe that she would
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: be a very different type of Tess. That's right.
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: So Sunny Hostin is obviously doing her best. And they
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: spent the whole election campaign bagging Trump and trying to
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: get Kamala Harris elected.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: They've lost.
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: She's saying ridiculous things like this because they lost their
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: candidate didn't get up.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: They're bitter about it.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: That's so bitter, Louise, And I mean, I'm curious to
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: see how they respond when Trump does what he has
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: been saying for some time now, and on day one
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: of his presidency ends up pardoning if not all, then
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: a lot of these writers.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: Who are still in jail to this day.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean some of them have got twenty two
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: year sentences ex.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Cents for that kind of event.
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: Surely extraordinary.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Well, I guess if you're committing a genocide and a holocaust,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: maybe it.
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: Isn't such a huge sentence.
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: Yes, But again, to conflict the two is obscene as well.
• 37:51
  Speaker 6: But yeah, I think the senses are Disproportionate's the actual
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: crime itself I'm not defending what happened on the Capitol
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: of that day, but.
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: Sure it was ugly. He was ugly, and people to.
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: Die as well. But I think it's been blown out
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: of context to an extent. But you know, it doesn't
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: stop the left weaponizing it every occasion. January sixth next year,
• 38:08
  Speaker 6: I'm sure they'll bring it up as well.
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Well, the view co hosts were also saying that they
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: think it should be commemorated every year, like September eleven.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: That was another sort of comparison they made, while also
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: being quick to say, oh, but we're not saying it
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: is like September eleven, but it should be commemorated every
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: year like some kind of hallmark event in the US.
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: Bizarre anyway.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Still in the US, and Donald Trump has lost his
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: bid to delay his sentencing in his New York hush
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: money case. Now, the President elect was trying to get
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: a stay.
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: On his frit Ay sentencing.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: He was due to be sentenced over his conviction over
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: money paid to pawn star Stormy Daniels, and he posted
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: earlier to his platform Truth Social where he wrote, the
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: judge fabricated the facts and the law no different than
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: the other New York judicial and prosecutoratorial witch hunts. That's
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: why businesses are fleeing New York, taking with them millions
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: of jobs and billions of dollars in taxes. The legal
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: system is broken and businesses can't take a chance in
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: getting caught up in this quicksand it's all rigged in
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: this case against a political opponent me Now, cal the
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: judge has said he's not inclined to give the president
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: elect an actual jail sentence.
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: In this, but it is the principle here.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: Look, we have to remember the history, and it's very
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: easy for this just to slip past us and forget
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: the history. What he's actually committed here Trump has committed
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: are accounting misdemeanors, and on those misdemeanor charges, because their
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: misdemeanor charges, the statute of limitations had already expired, he
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: couldn't be charged with them. So what they did was
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: they increased their seriousness to a felony. And the way
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: they did that was to say these misdemeanors were committed
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: in the committing of another crime. They at any point
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: in the trial specified what other crime it was. So
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: this was a fabrication. What Trump is saying sounds a
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: bit over the top to us Australians because we don't
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: understand how political the American judicial system is.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: But it's very political.
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: And so for that to happen, to take misdemeanors which
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: had run out, which had expired under the Statute of limitations,
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: pretend they are felonies because they're part of committing some
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: other unspecified crime, and then convict him on that. That's
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: an absurd process and it's clearly distorted. Now, this judge,
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: Mishan is a Democrat. He's raised money for the Democrats.
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: His daughter had worked for the state governor who's a Democrat.
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: He and his family very heavily involved with the Democrats.
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: It doesn't happen, doesn't seem to happen like that in Australia,
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: although we know judges have got their own particular inclinations
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: and that may somehow affect some of the judgments they make. Nevertheless,
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: we don't have the sort of politicized judicial system that
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: really he does exist in America.
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, Louise.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: Like when Trump and others talk about law fair and
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: how it's a political witch hunt, Kell's right, These are judges,
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: who are often appointed by.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: A president does a prematter the Democrat.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Or Republican, and they themselves identify with that party, and
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: they're expected to make decisions that are in line with
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: that party.
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: It's quite extraordinary.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: But I don't think the appetite is there, certainly among voters.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, they still elected Donald Trump. They died all
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: these attempts to solutly.
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: They want him to be president.
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: They want him in the White House, they want him
• 41:35
  Speaker 6: making changes, they want him cleaning up the mess left
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: behind by the Biden administration. They want a strong economy.
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: He'll put America first. That's what they want. So, you know,
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: Trump the felon, it's really a non secretary in a way.
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: And look, that works for Trump.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: It worked for him. It worked for him.
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: Every time they brought in new charges, his popularity went
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: up exactly. And for Mashan to be doing this, it's
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: going to do the same thing. It's just going to
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: Trump more popular. They don't understand. They are shooting themselves
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: in both feet.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they certainly don't get it at all. Look, speaking
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: of Trump derangement derangement syndrome, Suffering from derangement syndrome at
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: the moment, the Pope has selected an anti Trump cardinal
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: to become the Archbishop of Washington, DC.
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: Now, the pontiff tapped one of the.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Most progressive allies, Cardinal Robert McElroy, to head the church
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: in the US capital. Now. He was a bishop at
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: the time who was an open critic of Trump during
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: the first administration. Louise, this cardinal most notably said in
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: a speech to California faith groups a month into Trump's
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: first presidency that we.
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: All must become disruptors. I mean that's the job of
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: a cardinal.
• 42:52
  Speaker 6: I mean, a stay a leader in the Catholic Church
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: is meant to be a unifying force. But I was
• 42:57
  Speaker 6: raised as a Catholic. So if you went to church
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: and you bishops and he met the priest, and you
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: had your sacraments, be there as a unifying family, unified
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: family as it were. Look, I know, the Vatican's very
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: political animal and has been for centuries. But to people
• 43:12
  Speaker 6: going to church, they want their cardinals or their priests
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: to be preaching the values of Christianity and live together
• 43:18
  Speaker 6: in harmony, not singling out the next president of the
• 43:22
  Speaker 6: United States as either being anti Christian or doing the
• 43:25
  Speaker 6: wrong thing. I mean, I member, Pope Francis attacked Trump
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: because of the wall he wanted to build with Mexico,
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: saying it was Unchristian, and Trump quite rightly got very
• 43:34
  Speaker 6: upset about that.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Well, it's not just that where they diverge. I mean recently, hell,
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: the Pope has been attacking Israel over the war in Gaza.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: I think he and Trump would obviously feel very differently
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: about that conflict and how Israel has conducted it himself.
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: Do you think itself?
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Do you think that the Pope's alienating a lot of
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: people with these decisions, A lot of Catholics.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: I suspect her. I'm not Catholic.
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: We need Joe here because Joe, Joe has rediscovered his
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: Catholic roots in these days, and he'll explain it to
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: us at some point. But so this Pope does appear
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: to be alienating a whole lot of Catholics whose view
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: of life is simply conservative. There are in life are
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: two ways to go. It can either be a progressive
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: or you can be someone who preserves. You either progress
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: or preserve. And the progressives want to change everything, and
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: the preserve the people who want to preserve things. The
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: conservatives want to hang on to what's worth hanging on
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: to and progress slowly and cautiously. Now, we don't seem
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: to have a pope like that. As an outsider looking in,
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: it looks to me that this is not a man
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: who wants to preserve what is worthwhile. And the result
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: is they're going to keep putting their foot wrong. I
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: think progressive just make a lot of mistakes along these lines.
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: And I'm sorry, but it looks like he's another one.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: And I would say progressive, not progressive a lot of
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: the time. Lord, let's stay in the US quickly now,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: and Joe Biden has issued US sweeping back on offshore
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: oil and gas drilling. In his final days and offers,
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: the US President announced an eleventh hour executive action banning
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: for the oil and natural gas development on more than
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: six hundred and twenty five million acres of US coastal
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: and offshore waters. Now. Louise Biden's call this a win
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: for climate change, but Trump's team, I think rightly points
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: out it could keep energy costs very high over there.
• 45:25
  Speaker 6: Of course it will, and he knows Trump's position on
• 45:28
  Speaker 6: renewables and how he's a fan of gas drilling. I
• 45:30
  Speaker 6: think he said, drill, baby, drill, didn't he So this
• 45:33
  Speaker 6: is this is equivalent of someone larning mass and throwing
• 45:35
  Speaker 6: it over their shoulder and burning the house down as
• 45:36
  Speaker 6: they leave the premises. It's not something he had put
• 45:39
  Speaker 6: up six months ago, twelve months ago, but he's doing
• 45:41
  Speaker 6: it now just to cause issues for Trump and for
• 45:44
  Speaker 6: the industry as well, which will have a major impact
• 45:46
  Speaker 6: on the economy.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Kel you know, it's his legacy move. He says he
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: wants to make give something to the climate change fanatics.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: But voters voted for didn't vote for this at the
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: election exactly.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: And I'm trying to work this out.
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: It looks to me, as far as I can work
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: it out, like an empty gesture, because the next this
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: is just an executive order. The next executive the next president,
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: the next bloke to Slippy's shoes underneath the the resolute
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: desk in the Oval Office just issues another executive order
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: reversing it. So it's only going to be in place
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: for less than two weeks. It won't have any impact.
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: It is an empty gesture. But that's Joe Biden.
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: Well, let's hope it won't be around for long.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Look coming up after the break is it UnAustralian to
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: reserve beach spots?
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: We will chat about that next Welcome back.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Well, there's a new trend among beachgoers who are using
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: kabanas to reserve prime beach real estate on Victoria's Mornington Peninsula,
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: and it's been slanmed as entitled an UnAustralian The latest
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: summer accessory. The cool cabana is being used to bags
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: the best spot on the beach as early birds flock
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: there to mark their territory before returning whenever it suits them. Louise, Honestly,
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: I was in the South Coast last week for my
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: one week summer break and these cabanas were everywhere.
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: I wasn't there early enough to see them empty.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: But if I rocked up to the beach and I
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: saw a bunch of empty tents or cabanas, I think
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: I'd just move one if I wanted to get that spot.
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: I was very disappointed to see this story because to me,
• 47:26
  Speaker 6: it's the full import of the terrible euro trend of
• 47:29
  Speaker 6: putting out your tail and the sun lander at five
• 47:31
  Speaker 6: thirty am, spending the entire day away from said sun lander,
• 47:35
  Speaker 6: and then turning up at three pm expecting to be
• 47:38
  Speaker 6: to lie there and have a good sunbathe So yes,
• 47:40
  Speaker 6: I think if you do see an empty cabana, please
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: move it. Plus they're big structures.
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: They're not so easy to move.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Now the size of them is the problem. Yea, I
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: look it up.
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: They're an average for the beach of eighteen feet by
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: sixteen feet, which means they have a capacity of two
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: hundred and eighty eight square feet. Sorry, it's the old money,
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: It's all I understand. But that's big. So they're taking
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: up a lot of beach.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they are, and they are everywhere. They've suddenly completely exploded.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: They don't look terrible, but I do think it is UnAustralian.
• 48:07
  Speaker 6: Interestingly, I almost agree with Albanezy on this because he
• 48:10
  Speaker 6: said the beach is for everyone. That was his view
• 48:12
  Speaker 6: that we should all have access to the beach. And
• 48:14
  Speaker 6: if you've got people plotted these kabanas like taking over
• 48:17
  Speaker 6: the real estate of Seaford Beach, all the Gold Coast
• 48:20
  Speaker 6: or something like that, then how does the a new
• 48:22
  Speaker 6: person who stumbles out abd at eleven o'clock in the
• 48:24
  Speaker 6: morning get to line the sun and have a fun
• 48:26
  Speaker 6: day with their family. It is on Australian to actually
• 48:29
  Speaker 6: square off.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Albot did speak about this today and who knew
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: it would be on our twenty twenty five bingo card
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: turgree with something he said this earlier in the year. Look,
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: finally Joe Biden has put his foot in it again
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: after in biding someone to come up a White House
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: guest to sing Happy Birthday to him on stage, and
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: then forgetting his name, Happy.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Birthday, Happy birth.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: I love how he thought he could just mumble and
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: no one would notice.
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: I do the same thing in my.
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: Car when allowing him in public these days his elder abuse.
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: It really is at this point. Look, thank you for
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: your time tonight.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: That is all the time we have for I'll be
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: back tomorrow night with the Late Debate up next, Secrets
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: of My Success