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Christa Pike Execution Dr: "It's Like Riding a Bike" · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Tonight, she survives a botched death penalty execution. Tonight, we
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  Speaker 1: learned that she is complaining behind bars about what? She's alive. This,
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  Speaker 1: as Krista Pike's execution doctor says, no problem. It's like
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  Speaker 1: riding a bike. Her execution doctor says, performing the death
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  Speaker 1: penalty is, quote, like riding a A bike. Good evening.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Based on her first text,
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  Speaker 1: I'm at the prison. I love you so much.
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  Speaker 2: What the hell?
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  Speaker 1: She's fine.
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  Speaker 3: This is a disaster from the planning.
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  Speaker 2: If you're going to go eye for an eye, tooth
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  Speaker 2: for a tooth, do it. Don't change it and expect
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  Speaker 2: it to work.
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  Speaker 4: She was tortured for 45 minutes, back and forth, racing,
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  Speaker 4: getting up, trying to fight. She kept telling her, let
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  Speaker 4: me go back to Florida. I will not tell anybody.
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  Speaker 4: They knocked her down and cut her again. She went
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  Speaker 4: up 30 minutes, 40 minutes later and was dancing around
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  Speaker 4: the stage. by the area where, you know, in the
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  Speaker 4: park where she did it and kept giggling with the
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  Speaker 4: police and said, do you know who did this and
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  Speaker 4: all that? And that's how they got it real, basically.
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  Speaker 1: I knew exactly what.
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  Speaker 5: I was doing.
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  Speaker 1: Everything that I did that night, I knew what I
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  Speaker 1: was doing.
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  Speaker 6: And I think I was taking things out on her
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  Speaker 6: that had happened to me.
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  Speaker 4: I want her either executed where she never can hurt
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  Speaker 4: another person or be alive and get things that she's
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  Speaker 4: not supposed to get. I want justice. I want Colleen
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  Speaker 4: to be, you know, have justice for her. It ain't
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  Speaker 4: over with until Krista's not alive yet. I want her dead.
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  Speaker 4: I want her breathing in another air. I didn't get
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  Speaker 4: to hold it. It was in a box with stuff
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  Speaker 4: of peanuts. And she would take out every piece of
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  Speaker 4: the box and count them. But Krista was there in
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  Speaker 4: the courtroom and she said, can I leave? I can't
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  Speaker 4: look at this. And they let her leave. They stopped
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  Speaker 4: the proceeding and she was able to leave.
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  Speaker 1: That is Colleen's mother-er. And when she's referring to, I
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  Speaker 1: didn't get to hold it. It was in a box
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  Speaker 1: filled with peanuts. And she would take every piece out
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  Speaker 1: of the box and count the pieces with Krista in
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  Speaker 1: the courtroom. Krista Pike asked, can I leave? I can't
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  Speaker 1: look at this. They let her leave. The mom is
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  Speaker 1: referring to Colleen's skull and all the many pieces of
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  Speaker 1: her daughter's skull in a box filled filled with styrofoam peanuts.
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  Speaker 1: Her mother, May Martinez, is talking about her daughter Colleen's
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  Speaker 1: skull cracked into so many pieces by Krista Pike that
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  Speaker 1: it was, they had to take it out piece by
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  Speaker 1: piece and count all the pieces in the courtroom. And
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  Speaker 1: Krista Pike demanded to leave, and they let her leave.
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  Speaker 1: But Colleen's mother lives with that every day. She can't
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  Speaker 1: leave that memory. That is from the Messenger and WETV.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me, an all-star panel. Tonight, we understand that Krista
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  Speaker 1: Pike is behind bars and complaining about what happened to
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  Speaker 1: her filing multiple money civil lawsuits, this as the execution
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  Speaker 1: doctor sadly comes out and speaks, saying things like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: it's like riding a bike. Things like, I'm not incompetent.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not ashamed. Straight out to Tori Gessner joining us,
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  Speaker 1: investigative reporter WKRN, who was present during the botched execution attempts.
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  Speaker 1: Why is the doctor talking? Why did he say it's, quote,
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  Speaker 1: like riding a bike?
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  Speaker 7: Well, Nancy, we don't really know, but he has talked
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  Speaker 7: to multiple news outlets about this. He said inserting an
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  Speaker 7: IV is like riding a bike. He said, I am
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  Speaker 7: not ashamed of what I do and essentially doubled down
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  Speaker 7: on him participating in the death penalty, saying no one
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  Speaker 7: else is going to volunteer for this, especially after the
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  Speaker 7: issues that Tennessee has gone through. He even compared himself
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  Speaker 7: to Jesus, saying people criticize Jesus, too. I'm just, you know,
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  Speaker 7: doing what no one else would want to do.
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand why he is talking. And here's my
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  Speaker 1: question to you.
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  Speaker 8: Dr.
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  Speaker 1: William Maroney is joining us. He's a renowned medical examiner, toxicologist, pathologist,
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  Speaker 1: opioid treatment expert, author of America Narcan. If it's that easy,
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  Speaker 1: if it's quote like riding a bike, then why was
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  Speaker 1: it botched? Why did her arm swell up? Why is
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  Speaker 1: she in pain? And now we are on the verge
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  Speaker 1: of having the death penalty reversed, commuted in this case.
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  Speaker 1: But he says it's like riding a bike.
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  Speaker 2: We can see in hospitals that are affiliated with universities,
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  Speaker 2: it gets hard. And that's in normal people. She's got
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  Speaker 2: veins that were the end product of drug use in
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  Speaker 2: her youth, so they're collapsed. There is fibrosis. They're poorly
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  Speaker 2: able to accept needles. And it's not like riding a bike.
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  Speaker 2: That comment is like.
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  Speaker 9: It's from a plant.
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  Speaker 3: You have to keep up.
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  Speaker 2: You need exercise. You need board certification. You cannot make
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  Speaker 2: that kind of statement and people take it serious after
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  Speaker 2: you just botched an execution. We have to bring common
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  Speaker 2: sense to this. They need to bring in somebody from
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  Speaker 2: the outside. They need to stop this one medicine execution
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  Speaker 2: and go back to the three medicines that we all use.
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  Speaker 2: Every other state does this right. Somebody tried to save money.
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  Speaker 9: This is ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: Another issue to Tori Gessner, WKRN. Tonight, we learned that
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  Speaker 1: Krista Pike has become somewhat of a celebrity behind bars.
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  Speaker 1: And she is insisting that she be released from solitary
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  Speaker 1: confinement and put in GP, general population. So my question
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  Speaker 1: is the dichotomy there, that she's claiming she is suffering
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  Speaker 1: intense health ailments, yet she wants out of the infirmary.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, Nancy, back in 2024, there was a settlement with
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  Speaker 7: the Department of Correction and Pike's attorneys about her solitary confinement.
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  Speaker 7: Since she was the only woman on death row, She
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  Speaker 7: was essentially in her cell 24 hours a day. She
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  Speaker 7: argued that violated her constitutionally protected rights. T-Doc settled and said,
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  Speaker 7: we'll give you some social time. So her attorneys are
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  Speaker 7: now saying that her being in the medical board 24-7
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  Speaker 7: isolated is a violation of that 2024 settlement. But she
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  Speaker 7: does still have some health issues. As far as we know,
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  Speaker 7: she's still recovering.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't get it too. Mike Jaffer joining us
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  Speaker 1: out of Dearborn, veteran trial lawyer. Mike, If she is
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  Speaker 1: suffering and is still having side effects from the botched execution,
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  Speaker 1: why does she want out of the infirmary? Is that
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  Speaker 1: to pursue her celebrity status amongst general population?
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  Speaker 3: Well, probably from narcissism. And at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 3: why would you want that? And the whole point is
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  Speaker 3: your lawyers are telling you, play possum, play sick, sit
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  Speaker 3: down and pretend like you don't know what happened and
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  Speaker 3: that you can't move your arms. It would only be narcissism.
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  Speaker 3: I have no idea why she would. Maybe new list
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  Speaker 3: on life.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there is also the little known facts that Krista
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  Speaker 1: Pike has tried to escape from behind bars before. Is
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  Speaker 1: that why she wants out? And amazingly, not only did
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  Speaker 1: she try to escape from behind bars before, She had
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  Speaker 1: another murder attempt behind bars. She tried to kill somebody else.
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  Speaker 1: But first, let's go with the previous escape attempt. Is
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  Speaker 1: that why she wants laxer security? Another escape attempt? Is
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  Speaker 1: that brewing?
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  Speaker 10: She wrote to a lot of men while she was
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  Speaker 10: in prison. She even managed to convince two men, one
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  Speaker 10: from another state and one correctional officer, to potentially help
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  Speaker 10: her escape from prison.
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  Speaker 11: We know that he gave him things like a canoe
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  Speaker 11: and a Gibson guitar and some cash. We ended up
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  Speaker 11: arresting a correctional officer who had been receiving some money
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  Speaker 11: and gifts from another individual.
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  Speaker 6: He had a key. He took the key to the
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  Speaker 6: sales and had a copy made and brought it back
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  Speaker 6: and put it back on the key ring and had
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  Speaker 6: this extra one. And he was going to get her
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  Speaker 6: out and they were going to escape and live happily
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  Speaker 6: ever after on the run.
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  Speaker 1: I do not understand how Krista Pike gets other people
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  Speaker 1: under her spell. That's from our friends at FilmRise, GMA,
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  Speaker 1: and Fox Nashville. Straight out to Dave Mack, Crime Stories
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  Speaker 1: investigative reporter, Dave. So she actually convinced a prison guard
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  Speaker 1: that they were going to run away together and live
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  Speaker 1: happily ever after. And he made an extra key in
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  Speaker 1: his effort to help her escape. What happened?
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  Speaker 3: Nancy, that's exactly what happened.
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  Speaker 12: A man named Justin Heflin, working as a guard at
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  Speaker 12: the Tennessee Prison for Women, he traced a key so
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  Speaker 12: that a copy could be made that would allow him
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  Speaker 12: to help get Krista Pike out of prison. But Nancy,
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  Speaker 12: it wasn't just Justin Heflin. She was actually also working
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  Speaker 12: with a man out of New Jersey named Donald Cohut. Now,
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  Speaker 12: in a six-month period of time of writing back and forth,
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  Speaker 12: she was able to manipulate this man into making the
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  Speaker 12: 1,700-mile round trip several times to visit her in prison
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  Speaker 12: and brought him into the game plan to actually get
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  Speaker 12: Justin Heflin, the guard, they bribed him, giving him some
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  Speaker 12: items and things, but it wasn't just giving him money
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  Speaker 12: or a guitar. Justin Heflin was in love with Krista Pike,
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  Speaker 12: and so was Donald Cohut. She had manipulated both of
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  Speaker 12: these men without either one knowing her romantic intentions towards
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  Speaker 12: the other so that she could get out of prison.
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  Speaker 12: That was the entire plan, and it almost worked.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. Authorities thwarted a prison break involving death row
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  Speaker 1: inmate Krista Pike. Now, that takes some doing to break
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  Speaker 1: out of death row. It was 23-year-old Justin Heflin. a
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  Speaker 1: former correctional officer who fell in love with Pike. Then
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  Speaker 1: there was Donald Cohut, a 34-year-old visitor. Okay, he was
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  Speaker 1: also communicating with Pike. They were both arrested. I'm stunned.
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  Speaker 1: Do you believe in any way, straight out to Phil
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  Speaker 1: Keith joining us, former police chief in Knoxville where Krista
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  Speaker 1: Pike lives, murdered Colleen Slimmer, what is she angling at?
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  Speaker 1: And how did this woman, Krista Pike, get not one
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  Speaker 1: but two men under her spell to escape? And they
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  Speaker 1: had made significant progress.
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  Speaker 9: Well, she's a master of theater. I mean, she can
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  Speaker 9: come on so many different ways. That's what she did
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  Speaker 9: when she was in Job Corps. she was always trying
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  Speaker 9: to impress people, but it always circled back to her.
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  Speaker 9: She wanted the attention on herself, and none of this
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  Speaker 9: surprises me. To me, it's just a page out of
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  Speaker 9: a playbook for theatrics where she's, like you said before,
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  Speaker 9: she's allegedly got these injuries, and now she doesn't want
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  Speaker 9: to be in the infirmary. She wants to be in
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  Speaker 9: the general population. Plus, the security level is going to
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  Speaker 9: be different. on death row than it is in general population.
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  Speaker 9: So it's all part of her manipulation and her seeking
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  Speaker 9: of attention. And, you know, unfortunately, she's getting all the
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  Speaker 9: attention she wants.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just wondering what is behind her move to be
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  Speaker 1: relocated within the penitentiary. Because I know about this prior
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  Speaker 1: escape where she sucked two guys into helping her Both
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  Speaker 1: of them thinking they were in love with her. Well,
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  Speaker 1: she also has a former fiance.
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  Speaker 13: She told me things I wanted to hear. You know,
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  Speaker 13: she would write me and tell me, Eric, I love you.
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  Speaker 13: I'm going to be with you. You know, come up
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  Speaker 13: here and marry me. She would always make hints and
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  Speaker 13: say things about wanting to leave, leave the prison and
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  Speaker 13: go to Jamaica, go to the islands. I'm sure this
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  Speaker 13: guy up in New Jersey, I'm sure she flattered him
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  Speaker 13: and got him to the point to where he's going
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  Speaker 13: to go to prison now for For her.
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  Speaker 1: For my friends at GMA. Okay, Dr. Bethany Marshall joining us.
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  Speaker 1: Renowned psychoanalyst. You can see her on Bravo, Hulu, Peacock,
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  Speaker 1: and her hit new podcast, The Dr. Bethany Marshall Podcast.
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  Speaker 13: Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Bethany, how are they falling for this? How does she
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  Speaker 1: do it? And now she's this close to convincing authorities, A,
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  Speaker 1: forget about the death penalty, commute it. She's got the
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  Speaker 1: governor hiding under his desk and B, getting the penitentiary
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  Speaker 1: to move her out of where she is now on
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  Speaker 1: death row solitary into a more relaxed prison setting, perfect
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  Speaker 1: for an escape.
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  Speaker 8: You know, Nancy, this is consistent with the original crime
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  Speaker 8: where she seduced to Daryl and Shadola and, to commit
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  Speaker 8: this heinous crime with her. She was like the Pied Piper.
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  Speaker 8: And I would imagine very charming, very convincing, persuasive, quite
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  Speaker 8: obsessed with bludgeoning Colleen Schlemler to death. So, and then
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  Speaker 8: remember she goes, she takes a piece of the skull.
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  Speaker 8: She brags to her roommate about it. So Crystal Pike
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  Speaker 8: is not very good at planning ahead. When you show
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  Speaker 8: a piece of a skull to a roommate, that roommate's
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  Speaker 8: gonna turn you in to law enforcement or something bad's
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  Speaker 8: gonna happen. And this escaped attempt also shows like poor planning.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, it looks like she's planning something, but people
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  Speaker 8: don't generally, you know, they're not generally able to extricate
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  Speaker 8: themselves from jail. You know, Nancy, she is charming. And sociopaths,
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  Speaker 8: people who fit this profile, they do look loving, gregarious, outgoing, charming.
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  Speaker 8: People want to be around them, which is what you
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  Speaker 8: can see with these men and similar people to women
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  Speaker 8: who fall in love with men behind bars, the fantasy
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  Speaker 8: is because you're behind bars, I'm controlling you. You're not
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  Speaker 8: controlling me. Although what we see with Krista Pike is
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  Speaker 8: she's controlling everybody, even the governor. And you know why
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  Speaker 8: she wants to move out of solitary? Because she wants
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  Speaker 8: to recruit another little army, like she did the night
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  Speaker 8: of the crime with these men who were in love
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  Speaker 8: with her. And I think in Krista Pike's world, probably
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  Speaker 8: everybody's a mark somebody she's going to seduce and manipulate.
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  Speaker 8: So she can't do that if she's by herself. And also,
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  Speaker 8: if she's in the infirmary or the hospital, she's not
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  Speaker 8: by herself. There are nurses, there are people administering care,
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  Speaker 8: but healthcare providers are less likely to be manipulated than
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  Speaker 8: other inmates and guards in general population. So she's trying
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  Speaker 8: to maneuver her way back to a familiar pattern.
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  Speaker 1: In addition to the failed, the thwarted prison escape attempt,
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  Speaker 1: there was also a little-known attempted murder by Krista Pike
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  Speaker 1: while behind bars for murder.
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  Speaker 14: There was a fire in the prison, one of several
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  Speaker 14: that had happened, and the prison officials made the decision
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  Speaker 14: to take these three violent women, Patricia Jones, Natasha Cornett,
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  Speaker 14: Krista Gayle Pike, and put them all in the same
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  Speaker 14: space together. And Krista has a shoelace of some kind.
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  Speaker 14: She gets behind Patricia and she wraps it around her neck.
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  Speaker 14: She is determined to choke her. They end up down
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  Speaker 14: on the floor and this is Krista's opportunity to try
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  Speaker 14: and kill Patricia. Krista talked freely, freely about the attack
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  Speaker 14: and the attempted murder and said basically, Yeah, I was
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  Speaker 14: trying to do it. You should have heard her gurgling.
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  Speaker 1: That is John North from the Knoxville News Sentinel talking
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  Speaker 1: about Krista Pike's other attempted murder. This is as she
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  Speaker 1: is behind bars for the murder of Colleen Slimmer. That's
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  Speaker 1: from our friends at Filmrise. Phil Keith joining us. Why
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  Speaker 1: did she have access to shoelaces to start with? That
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  Speaker 1: is exactly why inmates don't have shoelaces.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, you have to ask yourself about the risk assessments
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  Speaker 9: they're doing inside TDOC. I mean, as was in the
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  Speaker 9: news clip. I mean, it doesn't take a rocket engineer
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  Speaker 9: to figure out you've got three violent people. That's probably
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  Speaker 9: not a good chemistry. But Pike is, I think Pike
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  Speaker 9: is deep down kind of a coward. She only takes
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  Speaker 9: advantage when she can because the early testimony in the
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  Speaker 9: Pike trial was a roommate, not a roommate, but a
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  Speaker 9: fellow student who said, you know, she'd never been in
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  Speaker 9: an altercation while at Job Corps. And there's lots of altercations,
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  Speaker 9: physical altercations, you know, in that facility or in that
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  Speaker 9: facility at the time. So I don't know how the
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  Speaker 9: officials could even assess putting her with two other violent people.
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  Speaker 9: And the lady she tried to choke and kill had
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  Speaker 9: killed an 83-year-old woman here in Knoxville prior to that.
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  Speaker 9: So you have these murderers together. I mean, it's got
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  Speaker 9: to be a bad chemistry.
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  Speaker 1: Phil, you were the chief of police there in Knoxville
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  Speaker 1: where Pike murdered Colleen. What do you recall happening around
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  Speaker 1: the time of the murders?
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  Speaker 9: Well, what I remember most vividly is when I walked
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  Speaker 9: up to the crime scene that morning. It was around 8.30,
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  Speaker 9: 8.35 a.m. We'd been notified probably 15 minutes before that.
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  Speaker 9: My PIO, Foster Arnett, had reached out to me to
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  Speaker 9: tell me that there was a student had been murdered
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  Speaker 9: on university campus. And of course, that sends up a
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  Speaker 9: lot of red flags professionally and personally. I had two
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  Speaker 9: daughters and two nieces at UT at the same time.
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  Speaker 9: So it got my attention right away. But, you know,
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  Speaker 9: just walking up on the crime scene and seeing the
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  Speaker 9: brutality that took place. And by that time, I'd probably
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  Speaker 9: reviewed at least 200 homicides while I was chief. And
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  Speaker 9: prior to being chief, I'd looked at probably another 200
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  Speaker 9: plus homicides. So I'd had my share of gruesome crime
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  Speaker 9: scenes and this one was just when I walked up
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  Speaker 9: I couldn't tell really anything about Colleen because my first
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  Speaker 9: view was I saw her head where she had been
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  Speaker 9: hit by ship and by pike in the head with
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  Speaker 9: a piece of asphalt and of course they just crushed
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  Speaker 9: the skull beyond you know, comprehension. I mean, just real
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  Speaker 9: mean spirited kind of things. And the first thing I
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  Speaker 9: thought when I saw Colleen's body, she didn't have clothing
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  Speaker 9: from her waist up where all the cuts is, this
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  Speaker 9: is a, this is some kind of an act of rage.
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  Speaker 9: She's got a vendetta. She's, it's, you know, somebody that
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  Speaker 9: was really angry at, at the victim. And then the
• 20:34
  Speaker 9: more I looked, the more I saw, you know, the
• 20:36
  Speaker 9: lacerations around the neck and, And again, it was just
• 20:39
  Speaker 9: a brutal crime scene because there were blood, pools of
• 20:42
  Speaker 9: blood in different places. And then the lieutenant on the
• 20:46
  Speaker 9: scene came up and started explaining to me the early
• 20:48
  Speaker 9: on indicators of what had happened, that it was some
• 20:52
  Speaker 9: kind of a battle. And you could see where the
• 20:55
  Speaker 9: victim had, and perhaps perpetrator had been rolling around, moving
• 20:59
  Speaker 9: around on the dirt that was over some concrete pad area.
• 21:05
  Speaker 9: And then as it turned out during, you know, when, uh,
• 21:10
  Speaker 9: York interviewed Pike the first time, just a verbal encounter. Um, she,
• 21:15
  Speaker 9: she was kind of giddy. I mean, um, I couldn't
• 21:19
  Speaker 9: be giddy after I saw that crime scene. I mean, the, um, Dr.
• 21:24
  Speaker 9: Marks did a terrific job putting the skull back to
• 21:27
  Speaker 9: get into the show, the impact. And I, I remember
• 21:30
  Speaker 9: that day when she was allowed to leave the courtroom
• 21:32
  Speaker 9: and I, I couldn't figure it out at the time
• 21:35
  Speaker 9: and still don't understand it. But, um, may and the.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Family members what do you mean the day that she
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: left the courtroom well.
• 21:41
  Speaker 9: They they allowed her not to view the the skull
• 21:45
  Speaker 9: particles um she was upset about something so they gave
• 21:50
  Speaker 9: her a break and it just kind of ran all
• 21:53
  Speaker 9: over us i mean that case was really high intense
• 21:58
  Speaker 9: on all parts the da's office and police department were
• 22:02
  Speaker 9: not together on um you know making pearson and Peterson,
• 22:08
  Speaker 9: a state's witness, because we felt like we had enough
• 22:10
  Speaker 9: evidence to go otherwise. Uh, so there was a lot
• 22:13
  Speaker 9: of dynamic in it. And again, you know, Pike, even
• 22:17
  Speaker 9: the day after the murder, she shows back up on
• 22:19
  Speaker 9: the crime scene.
• 22:19
  Speaker 13: She's giddy.
• 22:20
  Speaker 9: She's talking to a UT officer that's working security at
• 22:23
  Speaker 9: the crime scene the next day and is giddy and asking,
• 22:28
  Speaker 9: you know, questions about, well, do you know who the
• 22:30
  Speaker 9: suspects are? You know, do you know who she is?
• 22:33
  Speaker 9: Those kinds of things, which we didn't know at that time. Um,
• 22:37
  Speaker 9: And Shipp was, he was just like, well, he wasn't
• 22:41
  Speaker 9: just like Pike. He had no remorse. He said he
• 22:47
  Speaker 9: worshipped Satan, had a little memorial in his bedroom there
• 22:53
  Speaker 9: at the center and had little artifacts there that he claimed,
• 22:57
  Speaker 9: you know, be a Satan worshipper. But he went to
• 23:01
  Speaker 9: sleep during the interview. I mean, There's a lot of
• 23:04
  Speaker 9: things you can do during an interview for investigation of
• 23:06
  Speaker 9: a murder, but going to sleep to the investigator is
• 23:08
  Speaker 9: a little bit strange. But it didn't bother him. I mean,
• 23:12
  Speaker 9: it was another walk, you know, day walk in the park,
• 23:14
  Speaker 9: if you will. And of course, I've said all along,
• 23:18
  Speaker 9: Pike is such, she is so much a representative of
• 23:22
  Speaker 9: pure evil. She's a manipulator. She's into theatrics. She wants attention.
• 23:27
  Speaker 9: She'll do anything she can do to gain control and
• 23:33
  Speaker 9: like you mentioned previously, she was actually trying to create
• 23:36
  Speaker 9: another little posse. She wanted an entourage to look up
• 23:40
  Speaker 9: to her because she was the uninformed or the informal leader,
• 23:46
  Speaker 9: I should say.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at the crime scene photos right now and
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: I'm specifically looking at Colleen's neck. When you come upon
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: the crime scene, you can't, as you were saying, you
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: can't really even tell what you're seeing. Um, I'm looking
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: specifically at her throat and her head. It looks as
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: if she has been sliced across the throat multiple times. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Was she sliced across the throat as well?
• 24:23
  Speaker 9: Oh yeah, that's one of the things. I didn't see
• 24:25
  Speaker 9: it initially, but when I moved a little bit to
• 24:27
  Speaker 9: the left, I could see the lacerations on Colleen's throat.
• 24:31
  Speaker 9: And like you said, they're least six or seven maybe
• 24:33
  Speaker 9: even eight but there was one right where the neck
• 24:36
  Speaker 9: and the body come together that was a deep laceration
• 24:41
  Speaker 9: probably six or seven inches long and an inch or
• 24:44
  Speaker 9: better deep that was clearly a significant injury and then
• 24:50
  Speaker 9: when the lab guys that were there they moved Colleen's
• 24:55
  Speaker 9: body a little bit to see what was underneath and
• 24:59
  Speaker 9: I immediately saw all the all the wounds and on
• 25:02
  Speaker 9: the back, you know, as a medical examiner testified, there
• 25:06
  Speaker 9: were so many, she stopped counting for about the woman.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: I'm also looking at the slices on Colleen's torso. There's
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: so many. It's like they started slicing her, say, at
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: the top of her blouse, right there at the top
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: of her shirt, all the way down multiple times, like
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: down to her belly button. And just slice. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: nine slices. There's slices to her back. I mean, to you, Dr.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: William Maroney, when you come upon the scene, I guess
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: you go to the crime scene. You can't make anything out.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: But then in these later photos, it appears as if
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Colleen's body was cleaned up so you could at least
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: find all of the slices and stab wounds.
• 25:58
  Speaker 13: Dr.
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: Maroney?
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: You have to move some of the blood to continue
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: to count it, to make your assessment. There's like four
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: words that come up to my mind with these kinds
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: of descriptions. The first word is Charles Manson. The second
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: word is Jody Arias. These people spent a lot of
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: time destroying the physical bodies in front of them and
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: You can count them later in autopsy because you wash
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: the body and you slowly go through and you make
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: an assessment on a graph. And then you have your
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: pictures in autopsy that you match to the scene. Sometimes
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: you miss stuff at the scene. That's why you have to.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: rely on photos and reopening the scene in your mind
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: and connect it to what you see in autopsy because
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: you can't see how deep things go. If you remember
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: in the Jodi Arias trial, I think we knew that
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: there was somewhere between the body and the neck, just
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: like he said, it was so deep that you don't
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: know how this young man's head was still attached. And
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: you're dealing with this. This is the sociopath. This is
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: the killing machine.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: This is pure evil.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: This is barbaric. That's why you really can't say we're
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: going to vacate the decision.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: You have to retry.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Idea of what a death sentence is, but you're not
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: going to retry this crime because of how bad it was.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Anybody talking about that is kind of silly and it's
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: presumptively innocent and you don't really, you don't know how
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: evil this is until you get in and you see this.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Dr. Maroney, very often we show crime
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: scene photos for the viewer to understand what happened. But
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: when I was looking through them in preparation for tonight.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: When you walk onto the scene, it was like the
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: former chief, Phil Kent, was describing. You couldn't even tell
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: what it was. There was just like a bloody mass
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: on the ground, just covered in dirt and leaves and blood.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: I really don't know if they got the right number
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: of stabs and slices to Colleen's body. because like in
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Arius that you were just describing, Travis Alexander had so
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: many overlapping stab wounds, like in the Idaho killings. You can't,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: it's like stabbing into jello. You can't make heads or
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: tails of it. Even sometimes as a medical examiner, because
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: the same wound can get stabbed multiple times, and you
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: really can't tell how many times the perp stabbed the
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: victim twice, While I've got you, oh, the photos were
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: so awful, I did not want to show them. That said,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: when the body, when Colleen's body was cleaned up, obviously,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: in the morgue, in the medical examiner's office, you could
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: then start making out just multiple slices, starting about right here,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: all down her torso, just one after the next after
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: the next. I don't know how deep they were. And
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: then multiple stabs. slices across her. And I know a
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: pentagram was sliced into her. That said, fast forward to
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: right now, aren't medical examiners told to shut their pie hole?
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, wait a minute. This doctor, her execution doctor,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: says her complaining now is, quote, a bit of theater.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: He also says that about Tony Carruthers, the last botched
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: execution in Tennessee. A bit of theater? It's like riding
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: a bike. It goes on and on. All of the
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: very awkward and cringy things this doctor says. Aren't medical
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: examiners told, don't comment on the case?
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: You make a comment, and usually it's in private, to
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: bring closure to the family. But publicly and professionally, we're
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: not supposed to be commenting on what we see. only
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: to bring closure to the family after an autopsy because
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: they'll have questions. But you don't go to the TV.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, you've never heard me talk about autopsies here.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: We've been together 15, 16, 17 years. I never talk
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: about my autopsies here. And when you've been in local
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: cases where I've been involved, I've recused myself from being
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: a commenter. So We never talk, not in the news,
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: not on TV, not on Facebook. We do not comment.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Same as a prosecutor, do not comment on the case
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: before the verdict. Another thing, guys, we are learning. Let
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: me go back out to Tori Gessner joining us, WKRN.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: I'm understanding tonight that the execution team was specifically told
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: not to, to practice inserting the IV lines. Why were
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: they told that?
• 31:27
  Speaker 7: That's correct. That's according to a deposition made by the
• 31:32
  Speaker 7: prison warden long before all of this happened. But they
• 31:35
  Speaker 7: say that it was a directive from the former TDOT commissioner,
• 31:39
  Speaker 7: don't practice inserting the IV lines when they do these
• 31:42
  Speaker 7: practice rounds ahead of executions.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: I don't understand that. Why? To you, Dr. Maroney, why
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: would you tell an execution team, hey, don't practice? Oh,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: I guess it's because it's like riding a bike.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: I have absolutely no answer to that. Being a man
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: who believes in education and experience, that makes absolutely no sense.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: I don't have that answer.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: You know, to you, Mike Jaffer, joining us, veteran trial
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: lawyer out of Dearborn, Michigan. These comments are incendiary. I'm
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: sure that the execution doctor did not mean for them
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: to be incendiary, but they are comparing implementing the death
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: penalty to quote, like riding a bike. That kind of
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: talk puts the entire case in jeopardy for the state.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: If I'm Krista Pike's attorneys, I'm happy and I'm salivating
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: because honestly, you always want somebody on the other side
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: to make a very dumb statement. And that's basically what
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: it is. Maybe he's dumb or maybe he just had
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: a dumb moment. But if you're her attorney, you're salivating.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: This is what you wanted. It's a gift. And that's
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: how bad his statement is. It's a gift to the
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: attorneys for Krista Pike. It's very, very, it's very unbelievable.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Another statement that we have heard tonight, today, Matt, Crime
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Stories investigative reporter, Her lawyers are now stating that she
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: has endured punishment greater than anyone in the history of
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: the American death penalty. Is that true? Did her lawyers
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: say that, Dave Mack?
• 33:23
  Speaker 12: Yes, Nancy. They are playing this to the hilt that
• 33:26
  Speaker 12: nobody in the history of the death penalty has ever
• 33:29
  Speaker 12: suffered more than Krista Pike.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Okay, let me bring to mind John Spinkalink. He required
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: three jolts of electricity to complete his execution. Jolts of electricity.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Jesse DeFero, also three jolts over a seven-minute span. Smoke
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: and flames shot from his head. Pedro Medina, a blue-orange
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: flame and smoke shot from his headpiece due to improperly
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: prepared dry sponges. Alan Lee Davis, a.k.a. Tiny, executed in
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: a replacement electric chair, heavy bleeding poured from his nose,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: reviving an intense national debate over Florida's electrocution methods, yet
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Krista Pike's lawyers state she has suffered more than anyone
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: else in the country where the death penalty was attempted. And,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: of course, and most relevant That would be Tony Carruthers.
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: The Tennessee Department of Correction botched an attempted execution of
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: our client, Tony Carruthers. They subjected him to over an
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: hour and a half of torture. As incompetent medical personnel
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: attempted to place an IV line, they poked and poked
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: and poked him more than a dozen times. in his arms,
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: his hands, his feet, and his chest.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: Dr.
• 35:05
  Speaker 15: Fowler is getting ready to try to insert the central
• 35:07
  Speaker 15: line in Tony's chest. He gets his scalpel, and he
• 35:12
  Speaker 15: starts pressing. And he says, can you feel that? And
• 35:17
  Speaker 15: Tony says, it hurts, it hurts. And the doctor says,
• 35:21
  Speaker 15: it's just pressure. And he cuts him. And y'all that
• 35:25
  Speaker 15: were out there heard the moaning and the groaning. And
• 35:30
  Speaker 15: I saw the blood. and the puncture wound, and he
• 35:34
  Speaker 15: couldn't get it in.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: From WZTV, the irony though, Phil, Keith, and I am
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: not advocating a painful death penalty. It's tortuous to hear
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: what happened to some of the defendants that had botched executions.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: I don't think that is what is intended. It was
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: not intended for Pike to suffer or any of the
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: other defendants to suffer. But the irony is, is what
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Colleen Slimmer suffered. Much, much worse. And for me, this
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: is not a quid pro quo. I don't want her, Pike,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: to suffer the way Colleen did. But if we are
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: going to have the death penalty in Tennessee, there is
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: quite the irony over her lawyers complaining that she has
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: suffered so intensely. She is fine texting, demanding to be
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: put back in general population. She's turned into a celebrity.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: She is suing a slew of people for millions of dollars,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: grabbing phones and texting. I mean, the irony of the
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: complaints cannot be ignored, Chief.
• 36:46
  Speaker 9: Well, I mean, I can only tell you what we
• 36:49
  Speaker 9: think happened from the reconstruction of the crime scene. The
• 36:54
  Speaker 9: torture session for Colleen lasted at least 30 minutes. It
• 36:58
  Speaker 9: wasn't almost 30 minutes, at least 30 minutes, more likely
• 37:02
  Speaker 9: somewhere in the neighborhood of 40 to 45 minutes. And
• 37:06
  Speaker 9: here's a 19-year-old who is begging for a life, who's
• 37:10
  Speaker 9: being repeatedly stabbed, cut. You saw from the crime scenes
• 37:14
  Speaker 9: how malicious it was and the trauma that went on.
• 37:18
  Speaker 9: Even in the autopsy, you could see where Colleen's legs
• 37:22
  Speaker 9: were bruised from being thrown to the pavement and where
• 37:26
  Speaker 9: Pike had kneed Colleen in the head. So, I mean,
• 37:31
  Speaker 9: that's torture, intentional torture. And what Colleen went through, what
• 37:37
  Speaker 9: her mother May had to sit and listen during the trial,
• 37:40
  Speaker 9: as well as all the publicity that's been covering the story,
• 37:44
  Speaker 9: it's just horrific. No parent should ever have to go
• 37:50
  Speaker 9: through that. No person should ever go through that. But
• 37:53
  Speaker 9: Pike is so vicious. Killing Colleen was not the thrill.
• 38:01
  Speaker 9: It was about the agony that she was delivering through
• 38:05
  Speaker 9: the different cuts and then taking the chunks of asphalt
• 38:11
  Speaker 9: and then ultimately crushing her scale.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Tori Gessner joining us, WKRN. We are also hearing tonight
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: from Pike's defense team, that they are still assessing her
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: cognitive impairment. What does that mean?
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: Well, I think they're referring to just her ability to
• 38:33
  Speaker 7: think and respond. And, you know, this may be a
• 38:37
  Speaker 7: long road ahead for her. She did come out with
• 38:39
  Speaker 7: a statement that was reportedly dictated to her attorneys about
• 38:43
  Speaker 7: how she is constantly in pain, not just physically, but
• 38:47
  Speaker 7: mentally and trying to hold onto hope and, take things
• 38:51
  Speaker 7: one day at a time. So we'll just have to see,
• 38:53
  Speaker 7: but that is what they say.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: To Dave Mack, Crime Stories investigative reporter, isn't it true
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: that now Pike memorabilia, as it is called, is popping up,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: including postcards with her lipstick kisses on them?
• 39:07
  Speaker 12: Krista Pike has maintained multiple relationships by mail. And yes,
• 39:13
  Speaker 12: these letters that she sent to one person in particular,
• 39:17
  Speaker 12: a man she knew as Richie Carlis, She had a
• 39:20
  Speaker 12: number of letters back and forth where she put lipstick
• 39:23
  Speaker 12: kisses on the letters. At one point, she even included
• 39:28
  Speaker 12: a lock of her own. hair. This went on for
• 39:32
  Speaker 12: several years, by the way, her letter writing campaign with
• 39:36
  Speaker 12: this man she knew as Richie Carlos. And there are
• 39:39
  Speaker 12: plenty of these letters now available for purchase.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: You know what, Mike Jaffer, veteran trial lawyer, defense attorney,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: if one letter or postcard is sent out with her
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: lipstick kisses on them post botched death penalty, there goes
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: the cognitive impairment claim.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they are. And they're going to say, and why
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: wouldn't they? Right? Because the end of the day, they
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: have way too much to work with here. They have
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: way too much to work with. The state of Tennessee
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: gave them gift after gift after gift and Slemmer's family
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: has to sit there I mean, if she sends it out,
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: Slemmer's family, it's just rubbing salt in the wound. It's
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: just absolutely unbelievable. It's so bizarre that we're here. I
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: don't even know. I didn't think something like this was
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: even possible.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: To Dr. Bethany Marshall, what does this mean? Cognitive impairment,
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: that they are assessing cognitive impairment?
• 40:32
  Speaker 8: It means that she's going to have cognitive slowing, confusion,
• 40:37
  Speaker 8: lower intellect, and probably mood issues, depression, anxiety, even though
• 40:42
  Speaker 8: she's a criminal, you know, Nancy, she can be traumatized too.
• 40:45
  Speaker 8: I'm sure this was very traumatizing for her. But Nancy,
• 40:48
  Speaker 8: my larger concern is society. If Mark Fowler, Dr. Fowler
• 40:53
  Speaker 8: is comparing himself to Jesus and Krista Pike played God
• 40:58
  Speaker 8: when she bludgeoned her victim, Colleen Schlemmer, both of them
• 41:02
  Speaker 8: are showing disregard for what happens to another human being's body.
• 41:06
  Speaker 8: There's a parallel process. between the execution team and the
• 41:10
  Speaker 8: criminal they're executing. And my larger concern about this is
• 41:15
  Speaker 8: we have a lot of criminals in our society. There's
• 41:17
  Speaker 8: a lot of criminality. There are a lot of Krista
• 41:19
  Speaker 8: Pikes out there. And when they see Krista doing this
• 41:22
  Speaker 8: and then the execution team doing this, is this going
• 41:25
  Speaker 8: to incite more violence? You know, we see with these
• 41:27
  Speaker 8: letters that men are falling in love with her. They're
• 41:30
  Speaker 8: excited by her. Now people want memorabilia. We don't want
• 41:34
  Speaker 8: our whole society to be identified with offenders. We want
• 41:38
  Speaker 8: our society to be identified with.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: People who are good, pure, upright. Dr.
• 41:42
  Speaker 8: Fowler is a Sunday school teacher, and I wish he
• 41:45
  Speaker 8: would embrace his higher self instead of the self who
• 41:49
  Speaker 8: says that executing somebody is like riding a bicycle. It's
• 41:53
  Speaker 8: just such an unfortunate message to be putting out there.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Tori Gessner, WKRN. What is the word from the governor?
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Is he still hiding under his desk?
• 42:05
  Speaker 7: Nancy, the governor has been pretty tight-lipped about all of this,
• 42:07
  Speaker 7: but he did recently come out and say he believes
• 42:10
  Speaker 7: Krista Pike's death sentence will stand. He stopped short of
• 42:14
  Speaker 7: saying whether her execution would be carried out, but he
• 42:17
  Speaker 7: did say that he believes it'll still stand. Of course,
• 42:20
  Speaker 7: he's out of office by January. Tennessee will have a
• 42:23
  Speaker 7: new governor, so we'll have to stay tuned.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: To a renowned medical examiner, Dr. William Maroney, author of
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: American Narcan. Any advice for Tennessee? What should have been done?
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: The most important thing is you put things that are
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: this important in the hands of professionals. And you don't
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: try to save money by cutting back from three different
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: medicines that are used in execution to one.
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  Speaker 5: And it was terrible.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: It's like they're hoping the person overdoses on drugs. That's
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: not the way the science works behind this. If you
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: have to go outside of Tennessee, do it. If you
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: don't have the expertise and the professionalism to follow the
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: science in incarcerated and judicial mandates, go to New York.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Go to Illinois. go to Detroit, go somewhere else, but
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: don't let your people botch this up. There's a message
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: you're sending about professionalism that the amount of respect you
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: give your dead should also be in how we deliver
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: that process. Like, painless.
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: Otherwise, it's barbaric.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. And tonight, we remember an
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: American hero, Patrolman Daniel J.J. Lomax, Forest City Borough PD, Pennsylvania,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: killed in the line of duty after 27 years on
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: the force, leaving behind his wife, Maureen, and son, Danny.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: American hero, patrolman Daniel J.J. Lomax. Thank you to our guests,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: but especially to you for being with us tonight. Nancy
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Gray signing off for tonight, but I'll see.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: You tomorrow night.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: And until then, good night, friends.
• 44:22
  Speaker 8: Thank you.