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All right, everybody, you're listening to Eagles postgame analysis here at the Philadelphia
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Sports Table podcast show, the longest running weekly Philly sports podcast show in the
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world, over ten and a half years strong. Week eighteen of this Philadelphia
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Eagles twenty twenty three twenty twenty four season now in the books. They lose
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to the fucking New York Giants. The Giants by a score of twenty seven
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to ten. That laugh you. Here is my good buddy from the Honorable
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Mention Podcast, mister Matt Rodgers, the one and only Yes Buddy. This
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fucking collapse, this embarrassing debacle of a football team completely collapsing at the most
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import short time of a season and a season that had so many expectations,
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is like nothing I have ever seen, Matt, Matt, It's nothing that
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I have seen in terms of Eagles football in the past. It is incredible
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what we have watched. I think I mentioned I was like, I don't
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think the Eagles are beating the Giants. Last time we talked, I said,
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no, I don't. I don't think it's happening because I don't think
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there was any way that this team was gonna be able to figure it out
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as much as they wanted to. I believe that. I believe the players
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and I even believe the coaches wanted to figure things out. What that meant.
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Who knows, We don't know. They obviously don't know. I think
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the intent was probably there. You heard AJ Brown all week. But it
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didn't work, man, it didn't work that. The problems are so deep.
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It's not just some problem underneath the scan or anything like that they can
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just peel back. It is deep, my friend, and fucking a man
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they built There were flaws in the way that they built this team. You
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just don't let year after year people like CJ. Gardner Johnson move and you
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have no plan. Now they went and plan it. They they went and
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got Kevin Byer because Kevin Byer was available. These other guys, they're always
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going for the bargain basement, you know. And Red Blankenship is a good
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is a good player that they've now exposed. They put him in conversations where
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now he's a pro bowler, So guys are gunning for him to make him
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look bad, and boy are they. Yes, Sidney Brown off on the
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cart you're expecting. Why is Sidney Brown being forced into major major, major
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minutes on the field, important, high leverage situations. So now he's a
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rookie, he's got a serious injury. Now it looks like from what I
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saw, and maybe maybe there's a better update that's better for him, and
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I hope that is because he's a young guy who can, who flies around
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and plays with effort. Now he's he's got bad tape on him, and
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he and he's got a he's got a major injury. I mean, it's
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just that they they tried to play moneyball with, you know, some of
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these more important positions, trying to keep up and try to be fun for
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Jeff Lori and hit the big plays with AJ Brown and DeVante Smith all day
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and lock you down and think you're always going to jump on somebody with the
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lead. This team is not built to win a slugfest. That's the problem.
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That's a great point in the NFL knows it absolutely, that's a great
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point, you know what, And you do need talent on your team like
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DeVante Smith, DeAndre Swift, Darius Slay, Fletcher Cox if you want to
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win those type of fights. I mean, the injuries at the Metal LA,
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we know the injuries at the meadow Lands. You know, you mentioned,
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you know, Sidney Brown going down. Of course AJ Brown and his
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knee. Thankfully it's not an acl tear. Red Blankenship was out for for
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I didn't even know if he came back in the game. I mean read
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blankets Ship was out. Cam Jurgens was out, not necessarily because of the
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turf. I think he got poked in the eye or something like that.
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Yes it was a poke in the eye. Yeah yeah, but I mean
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again, such an embarrassment of a game. They pulled Jalen Hurts after the
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half set they were out of the game. They wanted to preserve his health.
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You know, I guess a good move. Marcus Mariota came in.
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But man, I swear on that first that first drive of the game,
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that first drive of the game, when they just couldn't get anything going.
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I think they got one first down and then just stalled. I'm thinking to
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myself, oh my gosh, we have seen this time and time again,
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time and time again. It was it wasn't a drive, and then Jalen
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Hurts was on the move outside the pocket consistently. Over seventy five percent of
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the Giants defensive schemes were blitzes in this game, specifically against Jalen Hurts.
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They're blitzing them. Why would you not? Yeah exactly, And as still
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after eighteen weeks, have not been able to figure it out. What the
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fuck? Come on? Are you kidding me? Oh my gosh, Matt,
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thanks for jumping on the pod. I didn't say thank you to begin
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with. I buddy, I'm god. The circumstances, no problem. I've
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come to love you, my friend. We are we're a good team here,
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yeah, our good team and stuff. But man, it's it.
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I was really hoping that the optimism coming into this game. And I say
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optimism because of initially where the where the players like what A. J.
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Brown said this past week, where which was still important? Absolutely absolutely.
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They could have been over before the game. They could have came out of
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the tunnel with the season opened. Yeah over over. The season might still
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be over. Sorry, which is which it is? Well, here,
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listen, there's something that we were getting ready to touch upon before we hit
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the record button. I'm want to get your thoughts on this, buddy,
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because what is with this particular point in time in Eagles football reminds me of
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from an organizational standpoint from a coaching standpoint where the team is currently at,
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how US fans feel. I'm I'm I'm reminded of Chip Kelly, and I'm
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reminded of that first season where we saw what he did and we said,
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wow, you know, things are pretty good. Granted, chip Kelly did
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not have a Super Bowl appearance like Nick Sirianni has. However, I'm getting
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that feeling that, oh my gosh, that second year of Chip Kelly was
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absolutely horrendous and the wheels just absolutely came off for a bunch of different reasons
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that we now know. And I'm wondering if that is going to happen possibly
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with Nick Sirianni. Of course, we're all going to be wondering whether or
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not he's going to be able to come back as the Eagles head coach,
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whether Jeffrey Lurie and Howie Roseman want him to come back as the head coach.
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However, I am reminded of this Chip Kelly ish feeling an era of
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again a great season and then the very next season complete disappointment based on where
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the expectations were. I don't know, are you feeling that at all right
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now? Buddy? I really want to see how this plays out. I
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still want to, you know, even as pissed as I am an apoplectic
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as you may hear me over the course of this all those shows that I'll
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put up over the next several days is I'll have a thing or two to
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say about this week. And by the way, talking about the show I've
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been putting up, I've been giving them lots of airtime to get out the
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narrative and all of the good team talk. You know, at this point,
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I'm not in the mood really to be putting any kind of of the
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of that talk. I'm done with the talk. Absolute, Let's score some
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fucking touchdown exactly. I'd love to score some fucking points and take and take
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the fucking ball away from the other opposing offense too. By god, this
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Giants defense is absolutely terrible. We couldn't put up points. Their offense is
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terrible. This is another thing that really pissed me off in this game,
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too, is the fact that going into I have seen way too many New
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York Giants games this season and even last season where there is just a tear
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the offensive line of the New York Giants. They don't know how to pick
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up stunts. They are very bad at it. They are not good at
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it, and for some reason today, holy fuck, they were putting,
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they were picking up stunts like you wouldn't believe. I could not believe it.
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This Eagles defense is just nowhere, and we know that they're nowhere.
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It's Swiss cheese like we've mentioned before. It's wet tissue paper like I mean,
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when you have when you have what's his sorry, Wandale Robinson. You
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know, with seventeen yards averaging on five on five receptions. He had eighty
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five yards in the game on six targets. That's Wandale Robinson. He's not
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the greatest wide receiver in the world. Darius Slayton had five receptions for sixty
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two yards and a touchdown. This Eagles defense made the New York Giants offense
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honestly look like they were a team that could tend could contend with maybe the
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Baltimore Ravens. Seriously, it was incredible. Honestly, if the Eagles come
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out and get beat thirty seven to zero, I will be okay with it.
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If let's put an asterisk, Jalen doesn't walk out with a serious injury.
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Yeah, and that I never see again. I never see again a
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defensive end covering a running back, a tight end, or a wide receiver.
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It's incredible, isn't it that I never ever go look it up?
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Guys on the highlights you'll see plenty of during the week. Yes, Nolan
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Smith number three is running behind Sakuon Barkley in a wheel route. Yes,
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guys, what are we like? What's this happening here? Matt Patrici is
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not gonna be here after this season? Like, we know that. Poor
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Matt. He's his head is in his hands right now and it looks like
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he has a massive headache. We may have to take him to the hospital
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soon here, folks, My gosh, but really, Matt Patricia, he's
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not gonna be here. And who they can't just bring back Sean to side
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and say, hey, we're gonna give you a second chance. Here,
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buddy, they're both gone. They're both at the clean house. But here's
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the thing about this defense and moving forward. I read a tweet earlier in
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the game. It was in the second quarter. It was by a really
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good account that I think we may both follow. I know you're really not
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on Twitter that much anymore, Matt. Okay, it was honest, NFL.
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Honest, NFL. I've seen that that person a lot. Yes,
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they're really good. I mean they broke down the first half basically by saying
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this individual said to need a schematic overhaul. Is one thing. You can
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catch yourself being behind the rest of the league and wanting to update it,
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but needing a systemic overhaul. That's an entirely different thing on the coaching and
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there is absolutely no excuse if you can't get into the if you can't get
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into the right answer and beat pressure when it's clearly presented to you, you're
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at the mercy of the defense, and then the defense the defense got it.
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I could go out there if I'm playing, you know, you get
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me in ten guys to go throw on. I don't play, I don't
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tackle, I really don't have interest. You get me and eleven guys to
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go out there and put helmet and shoulder pads on, and we would run
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better defense sometimes than what the Eagles are doing as at a basic level.
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At a basic let's have to understand, Yes, you just understand, this
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is your key, this is my key. If they do this, I'm
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gonna do this. It doesn't look like there's any communication going on. None,
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none, nobody's talking to absolutely. Language gets bad fast. How you
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can take a defensive scheme in the middle of the season and completely overhaul it.
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If the if the reports are true that Matt Patricia comes in and changes
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language, changing language for the defense that is already having challenges. Why change
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language exactly? Why change language exactly? It was extreme. The guy has
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been in the NFL for quite a long period of time at this point,
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as a quote coaching professional, it's egregious. It's fucking egregious that that happened,
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and it's egregious that Howie Roseman let this happen and get to this point.
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Everybody is responsible here, including Jeffrey Lurie as well. Everybody is responsible
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for where this fucking team is right now. And we know they're going to
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be losing against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. We know it. I mean,
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they're gonna be on the road. I do not see a scenario, given
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where this team is at right now, this awful loss to the New York
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Giants last week, the Arizona Cardinals, where they're going to be able to
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pull this out. I just don't see it. Now. I'm really at
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a point where I'm like, it's a five percent chance. Yeah, Like
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I would say if I'm the Tampa Bay Bucks, I feel great. There's
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always a chance any given days of Panthers today. Yeah, you know,
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from the Tampa Bays perspective, I'm a Buccaneers fan. Yeah, we struggled
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against the Panthers today. But the Eagles look like a team who just can't
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beat any along somewhere along the way here after they got beat up by the
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forty nine ers, and they they they realized they didn't learn the lesson that
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they got beat up by the forty nine ers. Now that's yeah, you
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know, it's just a basic thing that happens in life. You know,
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you don't win every fight, you don't win everything you go into, you're
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not going to be successful. The reality is, though they got beat up
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by the San Francisco forty nine ers, one of the three best teams in
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football, and it came out and the Cowboys game had their heads down and
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and just completely just unraveled. Here they have forgotten how to throw a punch,
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how to make the other team play your game. Yes, that is
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not what the Eagles are doing. The Eagles are playing a lot not to
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lose, like, and it's just it is the morale. You can't tell
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me that the team morale isn't in the basement right now. Absolutely, And
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do you think that is also because of the fact that when you have the
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arrogance that this team, or I should say the coaching staff in general had
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for quite some time. When you have Nick Sirianni yelling at Kansas City Chiefs
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fans as he's going through the tunnel exiting that stadium, Like, do you
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think the arrogance of what this team was initially, even though they weren't really
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having that fun of a time, there was still that arrogant air. There's
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one of the reasons why I came crumbling down so quickly. I wonder if
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that's why I really fundamentally think it's still an x's and o's thing. I
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think guys are just are just honestly just playing bad football. Like I'm talking
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about back to Matt Rogers throwing on shoulder pads at a helmet, just basic.
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If we're playing cover three, I got deep third. But if we're
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playing cover three, we know that at a certain point, somebody who knows
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what the hell is going to go on. Knows that we're in cover three,
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so they're probably going to this. There's so so many times as fans
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and this shouldn't happen. Somenytimes as fans. You and I are watching the
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game and we know where they're gonna go with the ball and we're like wincing
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watching it go and wondering why Red Blanken Ship isn't figuring it out. Yeah,
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exactly. It is sad. It is sad. It's very sad,
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for sure. Let's take a quick break here, Matt. We'll come back.
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We'll give our grades, which are probably gonna be f's all around the
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board here, so that might be quick. So let's take a quick break,
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folks. We'll be back in just a bit. All right, We
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are back and again talking to Matt Rogers here, thanking him so much for
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jumping on Week eight teen of this Philadelphia Eagles season The Honorable Mention podcast I
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So, buddy, getting into the grades, I mean, for God's
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sake, quarterback position, I'm just saying f in all honesty, I'm probably
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just gonna go f all all the way even though Kenneth Gainwell actually had eight
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point nine yards per carry on seven carries. You know, not too bad,
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not too bad at all. But the ship is on the ground.
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You drove great, except for the iceberg thing. Yeah, exactly exactly.
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The boats on the ground, guys, dude, I'm giving I'm giving f's
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for every freaking unit. I'm serious. I'm giving f's quarterback, running back,
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receivers, and and the offensive line. I just I have to do
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it. Lis did catch the ball today, though he caught. He brought
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the ball into his hands, yes, and held all time. He did
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a few times, and he caught the first ball of the game. From
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my recollection, caught the touchdown, his very first touchdown of the season,
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in a season, in a quarter that didn't matter. Yes, in the
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fourth quarter, yes, of Week eighteen. Year that's over, Yes,
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and your team pulled at starters. Quez. This is where we filled up
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the Eagles fans. I've been a time capsule coming to you in the summer
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of you know, from January of twenty twenty four into August of twenty twenty
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three. This is what happened. Qus Watkins caught his first touchdown in Week
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eighteen, in a game where the Eagles wanted to win, yeah, and
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got blown out by the Giants yep, And they pulled Jalen Hurts because of
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it. The fuck it, Matt f for everybody on offense, every unit.
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I don't know, maybe you don't feel the same, and maybe that's
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unfair of me, but I'm not feeling like being fair to this team right
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now. As a fan of this team ever since I was a child,
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I do not want to be fair to this organization team right now, given
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what they have done to our soul. And he's since we're just going uncut
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here. He sucks just as a fundamental thing here. But I gotta say
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Mariota played better today than I thought he was capable of, even though he's
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terrible and worse than Gardner Minshew, who I also don't wasn't thrilled was our
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backup quarterback. Yeah, but yeah, he cannot win you a game,
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no period. No, he can't. He can't. He went thirteen.
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Yeah, exactly, manage into a win with Mariota if it becomes that.
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No, if the hands a problem next week, just turn it off,
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guys, Exactly I might have done this week. Yep, yep, Mariota
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went thirteen to twenty one hundred and forty eight yards seven point four yards per
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attempt, one touchdown, one interception. He ended with a rating of eighty
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two point nine. I guess you can't ask too much more of your backup
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quarterback. I'm still giving the quarterback position and F this week. Fuck it,
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I'm giving him an F. I'm giving everybody an F. We finally
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got some penny, which was odd. I think he had two point six
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yards per carry two point seven. Sorry. Alcatara caught the ball a couple
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of times. I don't even know if Julio. Did Julio even get a
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target today? Yes, Julio was targeted four times. He came down with
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two balls for thirteen yards. Talk about impact lighting it up? Yes?
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Should we move over to let's think about Yeah, let's think about the Dusan
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Reddick made a couple of tackles for loss. He did he did? There
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were actually they were actually in this game two sacks last week? Was one
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got one and and uh yes the Chili ringo got one and and do you
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know who the second one was? Can you remember now? Who was it?
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Oh? Marlin was playing well, he had a pretty good game.
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Yes, Yes for death. Yes. For guys who appeared in the preseason
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of this season, the preseason Week eighteen game, they played great. Fuck
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it, Mariota played well. They all get an f I don't give a
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fuck. I'm with you, just never And I tweeted this or tweeted that
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place doesn't even exist anymore on the new site. I put it up,
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I said, put a post on threads. Yeah, yeah, I put
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a post on threads. I will read it for the folks really quick.
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Folks follow mat on threads at Politidope and you can also uh follow the Honorable
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Mention podcast there on threads as well. Absolutely, I said, as a
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Philadelphia Eagles fan, I've had more heartbreaking losses oh yeah, uh in periods,
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but I've never been more disappointed, disappointed, or embarrassed by a team.
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This was never felt. Yes, last year, it felt like,
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and I'm gonna wear my Eagle stuff because I'm not that kind of fan who's
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not gonna do that same number to be embarrassed about it. But I'm still
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gonna do it. But it's like, yeah, everybody knows, y'all are
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those guys right now exactly we're dishing out. Fucking f's here, fuck it,
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f's all around, all around. But I'm still gonna wear my Davante
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Smith jersey that I got Mike Kelly Green Davante Smith jersey. For sure,
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linebackers F secondary F minus. Everybody gets an F. Everybody does that for
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me. Could we be in cold could we be in territory where we might
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uh, we might be pulling Davante and aj and and all that next week
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doing like a rerun of the Giants game. Gosh, it gets bad with
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because they're hobbled with Jalen with the finger. I think it depends. Honestly,
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it's hypothetically speaking, say if it seriously, if we have another twenty
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four to nothing situation and it's like in the third quarter though, if it's
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in the third quarter, well yes, I don't know, now that I'm
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thinking about it. They're gonna have to just go balls out. They're gonna
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have to go balls out. Yeah, you have to. Now, if
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it's twenty four nothing, yes, or maybe if it's fifty five nothing,
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then all right, well we'll save these guys for next year. I just
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don't know if this defense can stop anybody, because the stuff that was getting
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they came at them by the Giants. Was very basic. It was extremely
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basic. We're talking post routes over the middle of the field, you know
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what I mean, Like, that's just a it's it's extremely basic, for
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sure. So all right, coaches, yes, f's for everybody on defense
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coaches, you know, you know what, I'm gonna give Michael Kleat.
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I'm gonna you know what, even though Britain Covey, we saw something from
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him this year that he has hardly ever, has hardly done at all this
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year. He decided not to catch a punt. He let the ball go.
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It was in the first quarter, and he let it bounce at the
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eighteen yard line and it went inside the ten yard line. And that was
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actually a moment where I was like, oh my gosh. Even Britain Covey,
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who who got his shit together this year? And he's a freaking you
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know, perennial pro bowler. Here, he's he's on the reserve list.
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You know. He even was screwing up punt returns, which he is excelled
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at during the course of this season. So like, even after that,
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I was like, oh my gosh, but Jake Elliot getting it done when
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his number was called. You know what, I'm gonna give Special Teams a
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C. I'm gonna give them a C this week Michael Klayan's Special Teams a
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C. They can't be held accountable for the overall stinker. True they anything?
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True? Yeah, you know, they didn't screw up anything exactly.
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And in fact, Brandon man had he averaged fifty point three yards per pint.
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That's not bad, that's not terrible. So I'm nothing. I'm gonna
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get sport. Yes, I'm gonna give him a C. So defensive coaching
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fuck him? An F minus? What do you? What do you?
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Yeah? What's what's worse at F minus? Yeah? What is that?
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What's worse than that? It's just not showing up? The not showing up
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and you don't even get anything, you know, which basically happened. You
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know, you show up for an exam, a test, you know,
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you know you can, you can get an F minus. I guess you
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know. But if you don't show up, it's nothing, dude, nothing,
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unbel whatever that is is what. I don't even know if I if
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they deserve a great I know, like I recognize that you signed up for
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the class because yes, It's obvious too. It's like, yeah, people
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listening to this, like, yeah, Jeff, you idiot, of course
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are gonna get an F minus. It was horrible, all right. Offense,
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offensive coaching, Holy shit, Matt F minus again, Buddy F minus
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doulling them out. God, my face is getting red. I have a
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red face as it is. Anyway, it stinks. Look how red I
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am look at this. I'm extremely upset, I am. It's the It's
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just give me the expectations. The most disappointing dog shit that I've seen from
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a Philly sports team in quite some time, and with Mariota. Mariota's play
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is the highlight, guys. Yes, I'm running the highlights for you.
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Mariota. Oh we got a comedian, folks, we got one. I
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love it. Oh fucking F minus all right, those are the great You
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give him an F minus too, right. I just want to be sure
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they also they also just like I can't recognize that they showed up. Yeah,
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okay, I can't recognize that they that they exist, that they really
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ever yeah, you know, applied to the college or whatever. We're all
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exacerbated here, folks, are yes, exactly all right, it's gonna be
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interesting to see what happens next week with this playoff game. I think we're
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gonna see a lot of the nonsense that we saw tonight against this job.
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I don't want to see a dog mask people. I might have to block
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you for the week from you two. Don't do that. Don't do that.
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Please, don't don't disrespect that damn mask. Yes, keep that mask
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exactly where it is, people, Absolutely absolutely. Matt Rogers the Honorable Mention
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podcast at pollited Dope on threads. Where what's the handle for the Honorable Mention
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podcast on threads? Buddy, It's Honorable Mention underscore podcast. It's Honorable Mention,
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a Philly sports podcast when you search it on on all of the wherever
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you find your stuff, all the podcasts I put that, I put put
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episodes up multiple times a week at this point. I will have a few
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this week, but I don't know if I have any more good vibes.
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Generally, you listen to it and you feel good about it. Feel good.
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There's optimism, there's optimism. I don't know. You may want to
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go in a different direction this week, buddy, But really quick, folks
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on how I could do anything else? Yeah, Well, on the Honorable
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Mention Podcast too, talking Sixers, talking Phillies as well during the course of
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those seasons. So it's yeah, Honorable Mention podcast, not just an Eagles
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podcast, talking Sixers and Phillies as well. So Matt, buddy, I'm
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gonna end things right here. Great talking to you. Thanks for jumping on
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filling in for the guys as you have a number of times throughout this season.
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It's been fantastic going over the regular season with you and go in the
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birds. Yes, yeah, seriously, seriously, I love this journey here,
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this twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four season with you, buddy.
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Thanks so much. I greatly appreciate it. Alright, folks, that's gonna
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do it for us. Take care and we will catch you next time.