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NFL Draft Grades & NBA Playoffs Update with Matt Moore · The Favorites Sports Betting Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome home to the Favorites, presented by Draft Kings. The
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  Speaker 1: crown is yours. We are an Action Network Podcasts. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Brandon Kravitz. Back at it with the first
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  Speaker 1: Lady of the Pod, Miss Kendra Middleton, the prime Minister
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  Speaker 1: of DGEN Nation, the one and only Stucky Action Lifer
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  Speaker 1: is with us NFL Draft twenty twenty six in the books.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to talk about that. Momentarily, we're talking NBA
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  Speaker 1: playoffs with Matt Moore coming up in a few minutes
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  Speaker 1: as well. James Gladstone Jags GM getting roasted on my timeline.
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  Speaker 1: What's poping? Kendra? People are all over your boy.
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  Speaker 2: I think he was James gladstoned for this draft. I
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  Speaker 2: gotta be honest, like the fact that they are kind
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  Speaker 2: of just planning to run it back with I guess
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  Speaker 2: like Jack.
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  Speaker 3: Kaiser at linebacker. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: The number of ends was really confusing. One linebacker in
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  Speaker 2: the whole draft, and it was round seven, pick two
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  Speaker 2: forty and you need to replace Devin Lloyd's production.
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  Speaker 3: I just don't get it. All of the Jags.
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  Speaker 2: Twitter people have been joking that they're just gonna pretend
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  Speaker 2: that they took pregnant at fifty six and Nate Borkacher
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  Speaker 2: at eighty eight, and if that's what we want to
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  Speaker 2: do to help us cope whatever, I'm not gonna.
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  Speaker 3: Judge the draft.
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  Speaker 2: He's been, you know, really good at his job. I
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  Speaker 2: have to give him the benefit of the doubt. But
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  Speaker 2: it was definitely a bit of a head scratcher. I
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  Speaker 2: don't even think the Borkachier kid knew he was getting
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  Speaker 2: drafted because they put the camera on him and he
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  Speaker 2: was just like, oh okay, sweet, and that was it.
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  Speaker 3: Like I don't know, just.
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  Speaker 1: He was flexing. He was flexing on it. After the
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  Speaker 1: draft was like, yeah, this was exactly how he lined
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  Speaker 1: it up. To me, sounds like the guy I think
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  Speaker 1: I've been this guy on this podcast who makes their
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  Speaker 1: own power ratings and is like, you know, I make
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  Speaker 1: this number five points off what the market is. It's like, well,
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  Speaker 1: you might be the one that's wrong then, not the market.
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  Speaker 1: And it feels like that's what James Gladstone found himself in.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna let him cook, but this kid better be
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  Speaker 2: Rob Gronkowski. And I feel like I've gone from like
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  Speaker 2: filam and Yon to like unseasoned chicken and rice. But
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna give him the benefit.
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  Speaker 3: Of the doubt.
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  Speaker 2: But this kid better be Rob Gronkowski or I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: lose my shit, Stucky.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you've made it this far down
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  Speaker 1: the draft grade rabbit hole, but is there a team
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  Speaker 1: out there that you think just totally whipped Well.
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  Speaker 4: I've been resting and reading and chilling, but last last
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  Speaker 4: night I went back to my old ways and I
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  Speaker 4: pulled them all nighter and I did draft grades for
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  Speaker 4: every pick and grade at every year. I was gonna
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  Speaker 4: have to do it anyway and great at every draft
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  Speaker 4: jack I got, I gave three a's and three f's.
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  Speaker 4: The Jags got one of the f's. I mean, I
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  Speaker 4: think the funniest thing that happened on Twitter was the
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  Speaker 4: funniest exchange I saw was Ari if Hasan, who writes
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  Speaker 4: about football, is known for like some of the big
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  Speaker 4: board stuff. There was a lot of talk about the
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  Speaker 4: consensus big board on Twitter, and look, that's not gospel,
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  Speaker 4: and every team has their own stuff, but there's been
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  Speaker 4: a lot of studies done in the past when you
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  Speaker 4: go way off the big board in either direction. So
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  Speaker 4: like if there's someone that drops way off the big
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  Speaker 4: board and you get them, You're like, oh, this is
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  Speaker 4: such value history that hasn't worked out either or if
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  Speaker 4: you reach really high. But I think the most important
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  Speaker 4: thing with the big board is it's it's really just
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  Speaker 4: kind of a roadmap of when you expect guys to go.
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  Speaker 4: And the Jags reached so far for so many guys.
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  Speaker 4: The funniest interaction I saw was on his Twitter he says,
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  Speaker 4: Jags double dip with Stanford wide receiver CJ. Williams, who
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  Speaker 4: is number six seventy eight on the consensus board. Someone
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  Speaker 4: replied to him and said, look, on the bright side,
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  Speaker 4: at least they did not reach for six seventy nine,
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  Speaker 4: and he said, bad news about that. Six seventy nine
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  Speaker 4: on the consensus board was Parker Hughes, the linebacker the
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  Speaker 4: drafted in the seventh round. So, yeah, I don't know
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  Speaker 4: what the Jags are doing. I mean, look they got that.
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  Speaker 4: I almost gave a pass to a lot of the
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  Speaker 4: teams that were reaching four tight ends. That was probably
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  Speaker 4: the theme of the draft, and there were so many
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  Speaker 4: reaches for times most tight ends taken into draft since
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  Speaker 4: two thousand and two, and that's a direct reflection of
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  Speaker 4: where I think the league is headed. It's a lot
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  Speaker 4: of the stuff we saw with McVeigh and thirteen personnel.
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  Speaker 4: You're gonna see heavier packages. Congrats to anyone who's either
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  Speaker 4: their kid or themselves decided to play football and that
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  Speaker 4: was born in the early two thousands and decided to
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  Speaker 4: play tight end. Because this is the tight end Truther.
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  Speaker 4: Now you're going to see a lot of multi tight end,
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  Speaker 4: multiple tight end packages. So like it, it's good to
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  Speaker 4: have tight ends, you know, a blocking tight end who
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  Speaker 4: can line up multiple places of a pure receiving titan
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  Speaker 4: like just having I mean, look at the Rams. How
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  Speaker 4: many Titans of the Rams have on the roster. Now
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  Speaker 4: they drafted another one. The Rams, by the way, were
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  Speaker 4: one of the mother F's along with the Cardinals, who
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  Speaker 4: I thought had the worst draft. But and then on
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  Speaker 4: the other on the flip side, you're seeing defender. You're
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  Speaker 4: seeing teams counter with you know, these positionless defenders. We
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  Speaker 4: saw how important nick even war was. But guys who
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  Speaker 4: can be on the field against both you know, spread
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  Speaker 4: three four wide receivers or these heavier packages. So these
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  Speaker 4: guys who can play nickel, safety, corner, but can play
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  Speaker 4: the run and the pass, and those those guys are
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  Speaker 4: super even more valuable. They've always been pretty valuable, but
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  Speaker 4: even more valuable now. So you're seeing that as kind
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  Speaker 4: of the counter to this tight end and heavier package revolution.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, I thought the Jags had a terrible draft.
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  Speaker 1: So who got your who got your highest grade? Then?
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  Speaker 4: So I'm on three apps for the Cardinal I don't
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  Speaker 4: know what the Cardinals are doing. I mean taking a
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  Speaker 4: running back. They just signed olg or two, but they
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  Speaker 4: had so many holes with that. French was taking a
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  Speaker 4: running back at three, and then Carson.
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  Speaker 3: Beck he was the best option for them, though.
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  Speaker 4: I think I'd like I just would have You're better
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  Speaker 4: off just tanking. Get get a quarterback. Your quarterback is
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  Speaker 4: gonna come next year, probably.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 1: Quick.
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  Speaker 2: Pause now, don't tax me off right now, don't piss
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  Speaker 2: me off.
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  Speaker 1: Listen. I had the under on Shador Sanders draft slot
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  Speaker 1: last year, so I can't talk too much shit. But
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  Speaker 1: you had Garrettmeyer getting drafted.
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  Speaker 3: He's going to the Chiefs.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was a long shot, but it
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  Speaker 2: was worth it.
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  Speaker 1: It was it was I'd rather have Garrett Nosmeyer in
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  Speaker 1: the seventh than Carson Beck and the I was.
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  Speaker 2: Gonna say, I I'd rather have Garrett Asmayer than all
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  Speaker 2: of the other Drew Holer than all of these other guys.
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  Speaker 3: But you know what, you went SEMy lose some it
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  Speaker 3: was a long shot.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not even pissed about losing the bed. I'm just
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  Speaker 2: pissed he's a Kansas city chief.
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  Speaker 4: We should photoshop a picture of Kender into nuss Meyer's
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  Speaker 4: living room when he was just sitting there just uh.
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  Speaker 1: As he waited.
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  Speaker 4: Later for days, I was shocked he fell that far.
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  Speaker 4: Had to be injury related where But yeah, So my
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  Speaker 4: three worst were Cardinals, Jaggs Rams. I think that's a lot.
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  Speaker 4: I mean the Rams, like I just look there win
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  Speaker 4: now mode. Maybe no one knows how a quarterback is
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  Speaker 4: going to translate. I'm not a fan of Simpson, but
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  Speaker 4: who knows. He could turn out to be a really
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  Speaker 4: good quarterback. But there there were they were so close
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  Speaker 4: and they still could get to the super Bowl. I
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  Speaker 4: know that they're known for f them picks. It looked
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  Speaker 4: like they just said f M picks this year. Another
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  Speaker 4: tight end, a tackle they drafted basically because he's he's versatile.
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  Speaker 4: I think he can play all the positions, a quarterback
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  Speaker 4: who I thought they could have gotten later, and where
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  Speaker 4: they all the second round. I didn't even love the
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  Speaker 4: receiver they got Like rams draft was ugly to me.
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  Speaker 4: A couple other there's, but that's a lot of people
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  Speaker 4: said that. A couple other dress I didn't like Chargers, Seahawks,
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  Speaker 4: forty nine ers. They had some reaches, of which is
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  Speaker 4: per usual. The Patriots. I didn't love their draft. The
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  Speaker 4: Falcons and the way that I graded them was, you know,
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  Speaker 4: looking at what what they what kind of draft capital
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  Speaker 4: we had going in versus needs, versus you know, versus
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  Speaker 4: players that I liked.
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  Speaker 3: What'd you greet? The Dolphins? Stuck?
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  Speaker 4: Dolphins were so weird to me I gave I ended
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  Speaker 4: up giving them a B minus. So I gave three
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  Speaker 4: a's out ten vs. Three B minuses and then like
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  Speaker 4: thirteen c's, five d's and three f's. The Dolphins were
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  Speaker 4: weird because I hate Proctor. I think he's a bust tackle,
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  Speaker 4: but they might move him the guard and I think
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  Speaker 4: he might be a better fit there, so that could
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  Speaker 4: end up bringing out I love Johnson their corner. I
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  Speaker 4: thought they reached for Douglas at wide receiver. Bell I
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  Speaker 4: thought though their second was year they took you. I
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  Speaker 4: know he's coming off an injury, but so there was
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  Speaker 4: a lot of There was a picks I loved and
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  Speaker 4: then picks I hated.
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  Speaker 1: So they were hard and Rodriguez Zach Thomas two point zero.
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  Speaker 2: I was so pissed when you guys took Rodriguez, That's
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  Speaker 2: who I wanted. I almost texted you and said, I
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  Speaker 2: literally hate your guts right now.
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  Speaker 4: Another I thought they reached for kas Merrick, but like
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  Speaker 4: so many teams reached for tight ends. It's just like
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  Speaker 4: the theme of the draft.
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  Speaker 3: But as one does.
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  Speaker 4: I love that. Actually, so my three favorite were the
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  Speaker 4: brown The Browns were number number one. They got the
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  Speaker 4: only A plus I mean to trade back and still
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  Speaker 4: get Fano and their needs. If you talk about needs
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  Speaker 4: and value like they hit it all. I was super
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  Speaker 4: shocked at the I thought the Browns are the best
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  Speaker 4: draft conception in Boston at wide receiver. Next, they didn't
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  Speaker 4: reach for either of them. They might both start this year.
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  Speaker 4: Make Neil Warren falls to them. I thought he was
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  Speaker 4: a little overrated. People saying going in the first round.
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  Speaker 4: I watched as much Mac football.
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  Speaker 3: As their quarterback.
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  Speaker 4: Though they're gonna their goals to get their quarterback next year.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean, yeah, it helps them this season.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just like, I get the picks and them not
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  Speaker 2: reaching and all of that, but it doesn't I mean,
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  Speaker 2: who's going to be throwing them the foot?
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  Speaker 4: Their goal is like that. I think they have their
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  Speaker 4: goal next year is get their quarterback. But McNeil Warren
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  Speaker 4: could end up starting for them. Parker Browns for the center,
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  Speaker 4: He could end up starting for them, Royer the tight end.
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  Speaker 4: I liked that they drafted. He could end up playing
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  Speaker 4: a lot next to Fannin and like, so they got
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  Speaker 4: like four or five to six potential starters, and I
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  Speaker 4: thought they drafted really well. The Raiders also, I thought
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  Speaker 4: I gave them an a. Mendoza was the obvious pick,
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  Speaker 4: but Stokes was one of my guys. Crawford fills a
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  Speaker 4: need as an edge rusher, zoon, good depth guy, versatile,
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  Speaker 4: I think will eventually play guard, which they need. And
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  Speaker 4: then McCoy like where they got him. Yeah, he might
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  Speaker 4: not sign a second contract, he might get his major
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  Speaker 4: injury questions, but if he's fully healthy, even just for
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  Speaker 4: a year or two, he could be a steal. I
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  Speaker 4: also thought Masses was one of the most underrated corners.
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  Speaker 4: You take a corner defensive back out of cow They're
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  Speaker 4: gonna work out more times than not. Benson I liked
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  Speaker 4: he can also contribute on special teams. Washington will probably
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  Speaker 4: be the RB two like I liked a lot of
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  Speaker 4: what the Raiders said. The Cowboys also, and then if
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  Speaker 4: people are listening, I'm a Ravens fan. I did like
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  Speaker 4: the Ravens draft. The guard was obvious. I mean, look,
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  Speaker 4: their guards last year gave up fifty eight pressures. They
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  Speaker 4: needed to fix their guards. They got Simpson. They got him.
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  Speaker 4: Now what are they gonna do with center? I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: that's why they didn't get an A. We'll find out
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  Speaker 4: what as time goes on where they're gonna do with center.
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  Speaker 4: But Zion Young was one of my guys needed help
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  Speaker 4: at edge. Rusher Sarat I thought they got him as
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  Speaker 4: a steal. Hidner I think can help them at tight end.
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  Speaker 4: They were one of the teams that drafted two tight ends.
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  Speaker 4: Well guess what twenty twenty two they drafted Kohler and
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  Speaker 4: likely they lost both of them. Well, this year they
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  Speaker 4: go going get Kuavas and Hibner. Rivers little undersized, but
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  Speaker 4: I I loved him at Duke. I think he can.
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  Speaker 4: He'll probably have to play nickel and in the slot,
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  Speaker 4: but he's been good enough against the run. They probably
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  Speaker 4: got their starting punter. And then you know Leaven in
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  Speaker 4: the final round. Benny the defensive lineman. He's super versatile,
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  Speaker 4: he's reunited with Minter. I liked a lot with what
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  Speaker 4: the Ravens did. They usually draft well in terms of value,
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  Speaker 4: even a guy like Randall, even though like the owner
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  Speaker 4: apparently made that pick. I like that. So yeah, Browns, Raiders, Cowboys, A's, F's, Cardinals, Jaggs, Rams,
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  Speaker 4: and then shout out the B plus's, Jets, Eagles, Colts,
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  Speaker 4: and Ravens.
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  Speaker 1: Mel Kuiper, each your heart out. We've got our very
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  Speaker 1: own and his name is Stucky. NBA Playoffs in full effect.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see where the value lies as we wrap up
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  Speaker 1: Matt Moore, senior NBA analysts for US here at Action Network,
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  Speaker 1: the mayor of the best NBA betting podcast in the land, Buckets,
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  Speaker 1: no bias here. What's up, Matt? How the Broncos do
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  Speaker 1: in their draft?
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  Speaker 5: I wouldn't know.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not a Broncos fan, so you could just go
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  Speaker 6: ahead and get out right now.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're a Chiefs guy, are you?
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  Speaker 2: Yes?
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  Speaker 5: I am a Vacchiefs guy.
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  Speaker 1: I was.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know whether I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: I have to ask Stucky whether the move up was good.
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  Speaker 6: I got mixed reviews.
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  Speaker 1: Oh he didn't. We got draft grades a moment ago
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  Speaker 1: from uh from Mel Stuckey, but I don't think we
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  Speaker 1: hit on the on the Chiefs you want to give us.
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  Speaker 1: He's thumbing through his packet right now.
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  Speaker 3: What do you think about the Garrett Nsmeyer pick Chiefs?
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  Speaker 4: I gave uh C C minus two. I mean I didn't,
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  Speaker 4: I don't. I don't know why they traded up. They
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  Speaker 4: could have got anywhere they were. I don't know if
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  Speaker 4: they had another plan and someone spoiled it. Woods I
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  Speaker 4: don't love, but Jones is thirty two address the need.
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  Speaker 4: Same with our Mason Thomas. He kind of fits the
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  Speaker 4: profile like the edge rushers they like. Maybe Johnson can
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  Speaker 4: contribute on third downs, is running back out of the backfield.
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  Speaker 4: I kind of like Alan was like my favorite pick
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  Speaker 4: of theirs. He can contribute on special teams too. Potentially,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if he'll even make the roster, but yeah,
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  Speaker 4: the trade just kind of I don't I didn't understand
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  Speaker 4: that trade up for the Chiefs, but they definitely addressed
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  Speaker 4: some of the needs on their roster. And then yeah
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  Speaker 4: they got they got Nasmyer for Kendrick.
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  Speaker 1: Picks that fix that defense. Matt. Should we start with
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  Speaker 1: the future Eastern Conference champion Orlando Magic or is there
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  Speaker 1: a different series which this is probably the answer, but
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  Speaker 1: which series in the first round has thrown you most
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  Speaker 1: for a loop in the NBA?
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  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's the Magic. The Magic could just not
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  Speaker 5: stop tripping over their own dick for six months.
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  Speaker 6: Just like absolutely constantly, like it was sad, like they
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  Speaker 6: were they were that person at work whose life is
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  Speaker 6: falling apart, and you're just like you go.
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  Speaker 5: You go from like, hey, you're doing all right, man,
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  Speaker 5: Like you're right, you doing okay? Everything good with you?
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  Speaker 6: To hey, do you want to like go out and
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  Speaker 6: like get a beer and like talk about some stuff
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  Speaker 6: because you could tell they're going through things, to then
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  Speaker 6: finally being like hey, so, like I get it, and
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  Speaker 6: you're clearly going through some stuff, but also you need
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  Speaker 6: to get your shit together. That is you, Orlando Magic.
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  Speaker 6: That's who the Magic had been for six months. And
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  Speaker 6: then imagine all of this happens and then they show
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  Speaker 6: up at like the corporate event in like the nicest
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  Speaker 6: repeace suit. They've got all their notes together, they kill
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  Speaker 6: the presentation, they bring in all this new that's them
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  Speaker 6: where It's like, where did this come from?
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  Speaker 5: Why was this not here? For six months?
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  Speaker 6: It's been absolutely infuriating watching this Magic team who has
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  Speaker 6: been absolutely horrific just somehow be like.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, no, we're good. Now the hell you mean you've
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: been good?
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: What?
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: So is it in your opinion?
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: Is that injuries though too?
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: Right? Brand And I mean that, yeah, that's like the
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: biggest part of it.
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: Every team in the NBA, every team in the NBA, like,
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: there's not a single team that hasn't had like significant injuries.
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: The whole league is a mess with injuries.
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: They're becoming the anonymous. They have their injuries during the
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: regular season. But what were we going to say, brand?
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: Well? Is it that? I mean that is a huge
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: part of the equation is that when and they're starting
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: five was not intact and in the playoffs, you're starting
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: five means more than it does throughout the regular season
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: where you relying more on your bench. So they they
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: now not only have that intact, they have that intact
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: at a time of the year where you're using that
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: about fifteen percent more of the time than you do
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: in the regular season. Is it that at or is
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: it just simply the matchup? Is it the did they
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: happen to line up with the perfect team for what?
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Like the magic can't make shots in this series? Well?
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: Perfect Neither can their opponent.
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a lot of it.
• 17:23
  Speaker 6: So, like I had been pretty firmly on the Pistons
• 17:26
  Speaker 6: aren't getting out of the second round. I've been on
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: that for months because they are fifteenth in EFFECTI field
• 17:31
  Speaker 6: goal percentage.
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: They can't shoot. They're just like not good enough.
• 17:33
  Speaker 6: They're not terrible, but they're not good enough and they
• 17:35
  Speaker 6: can't shoot it all in the series because like to
• 17:37
  Speaker 6: Orlando's credit, like Orlando's play great. They've gotten into them.
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: They've been physical again, these things that really haven't been there.
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: And it's not like you should not be like, oh,
• 17:45
  Speaker 6: we're missing one guy and therefore tiant team.
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: I Dad, he's gone.
• 17:49
  Speaker 6: That's not how this works, like you should be the
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: same team. But they just like showed up and started
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: playing like this. They've made the magic. I think it'd
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: been more aggressive. The biggest thing here has been Wendell
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: Carter Junior has just kicked Jalen Duran's ass up and
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: down the floor, like just killed him.
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: From tip off to buzzer.
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: Wendell Carter Junior has killed Jalen Duran and that's taken
• 18:11
  Speaker 6: away a huge part of the Pistons offense. Cay Cunningham
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: has had turnover problems. He's not making the right reads
• 18:17
  Speaker 6: when they switch, and then they're trailing. They're doing really
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: well when they try and slip the pick. The Magic
• 18:22
  Speaker 6: are just shutting it off completely. They don't have the
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: spacers to punish it. So it's a matchup thing. On
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: top of Detroit having I think probably a tenth percentile
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: performance and the Magic having what I would describe based
• 18:35
  Speaker 6: off of the season, they're having one let's say, what's
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: the number, Oh, a two hundred and fiftieth percentile performance.
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: That's how much difference this Magic team is.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: Well, baby, So I could buy the argument that the
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: Magic are a little underseated because of injuries. But as
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: someone who didn't watch the NBA for one second during
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: the regular season and then we'll check out the playoffs
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: here and there, sure, I'm just like, how is this
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: Detroit team? How are the one seed it? And like
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: is this just not who the Pistons were during the
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: regular season? But they're like this team is the one seed?
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: Are they just like that? You're, hey, we there's like
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: the try hard team all regular season.
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so that's like Brandon Anderson didn't pay much attention
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: to the regular season, either came in and like instantly
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: tabbed the Pistons.
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: He's like, oh, they're like the.
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: Try hard, the try hard Tibbs team that goes really
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: hard in the regular season and like a lot of
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: it is like they were genuinely phenomenal defensively and that's
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: all disappeared here too, which again is kind of like
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: the weirdest part, Like the Magic didn't haven't shot, Like again,
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: the offense was terrible in Game four, but the Magic
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: had like some like the first game was like Franz
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: Wagner and Palo Bancaro having games of their universes, like
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: every version of them doesn't shoot that well and they
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: just like, I guess it's really good defense. Pistons have
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: looked very much like a team that burned really hard
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: throughout the regular season then got here and didn't have
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: another gear that they could get to. And those teams
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: are are always really bad like this. This is why,
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: like I don't have any business features whatsoever, is because
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: I did worry that this was going to happen to him.
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: I just didn't think it was gonna happen against the Magic, who,
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: like quite literally Jamal Mosley was dead man walking as
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: a coach ten days ago, like he was.
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: Dead, it was over. That guy was getting fired.
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: And they literally said that what woke them up was
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: losing the first play in game, Like how do you
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: get to losing the first play in game and be like, oh,
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: now we'll get it together and.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Mind you a week prior to that, they lost by
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: fifty three to the Raptors, like three.
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: Of the Raptors in the last game of the regular
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: season they lost. They needed the game.
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: For their lungs in order to try and make it
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: out of the of the play in tournament, and they
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: got beat by the Boston Celtics G League team, Like
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: it was absolutely pathetic. And here they are on the
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: doorstep of advancing in the second round.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Real quick before we move off of this series. The
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Pistons are the third biggest favorite, down three to one
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: heading in a game five. Shot out to Evan Abrams
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: for that stat. The other one of the other three
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: we just saw was the Nuggets down three to one
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: as eleven and a half point favorites against the Timberwolves.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: The Pistons nine and a half point favorites in game five.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Will you be betting that Matt.
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: I'm probably gonna stay away from it. I don't I
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: still don't trust Orlando. I just don't you know the trends.
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: I think you're probably gonna back Orlando in this spot,
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: given that the market is wrong and market's kind of
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: tied to the power rating and can't adjust enough. But
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: I still am just like I don't trust. I don't
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: trust either team in this spot. I do think like
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: the unders is gonna be a great play again, just
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: because I think the market is unable to kind of
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: encounter or kind of account for how terrible, how truly
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: terrible both these offenses have been. So I only part
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: of the side here because it's I think it's an
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: extremely dangerous spot with an Orlando team trying to finish
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: off an opponent in this particular spot on the road.
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: If Detroit gets it together, they could still win the
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: series like they are still a better team, because that's
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: how bad Orlando is.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: I was telling the guys before you got on that
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: I'm far more invested in the Stanley Cup playoffs right now,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: so I am rather casual about the NBA postseason. However,
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: the one bet I had was this Knicks Hawk series
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: to go over five and a half. I feel like,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: outside of the magic, this is the series that people
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: who are.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Casual might be surprised by.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Are you surprised by this series and what are your
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: expectations for it the rest of the why I'm.
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: A little surprised just because Mike Brown's gotten absolutely worked
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: by Quinn Snyder. So like, one of the big things
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: that I kind of identified as a reason I like
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: the Knicks in the series was, oh, they've just they've
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: got such a massive size advantage.
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: Hawks traded kristavs.
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: Porzingis at the trade deadline, so their starting center is gone.
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: They didn't replace him with another viable option. They have
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: one center. It's on Kocongu. That's pretty much it.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: That's all they have at center. The Knicks have Karl
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: Anthony Towns and Mitchell Robinson and like to play them together.
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: They have played them together not at all in this series.
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: Mike Brown has falling for the classic trap of oh no,
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: they're small, we have to match them. Instead of being like,
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: we're going to kill you on the glass, We're going
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: to destroy you on the interior and kill you on
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: the glass and make the life miserable for you. Instead,
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: he's leaning into it, and that opens the door for
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: the Hawks to be able to do this.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: I think the Knicks probably in Game four kind of
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: stabilized and got themselves back together. I think they're in
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: a pretty good spot for where they're going to be
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: able to go from here. But you know, Craig quinn Snyder,
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: I think that he's designed a really great game plan
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: for going after this nixt team, and Mike Brown has
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: fallen into the trap where there's a lot of talk
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: about Mike Brown getting fired if they don't make the finals.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: So do you think that Are you still in the
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: camp that you think that the Knicks survived this series?
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: I am yeah, because oh no, go ahead.
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: Oh So the problem for Atlanta is that if you
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: look at where they're getting offense from, it's all in transition,
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: and the problem is in the play and a very
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: basic adjustment is like, hey, let's stop crashing the glass,
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: let's get back. That takes the Knicks out of what
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: they want to do, but it is a possible adjustment.
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: The Hawk's half court offense has been absolutely terrible. Jalen
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: Johnson struggled, Nikhil Alexander Walker's not having a good series.
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: They've had great performances from CJ. McCollum that have been timely.
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: But when you look at kind of the overall arc
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: of the series, the Knicks are still in a pretty
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: good spot.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: Well kind of zooming in on the East and then
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: zooming back out Calves Raptors. Maybe this is just a
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: series that goes seven home team win wins all the games.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: What is do the Cavs need to blow this up?
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: And if not, if you don't believe that, can they
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: give Who do you think is coming out of the East?
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: Is that the Celtics the Knicks? Do the Calves have
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: a shot?
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: What is something just seems off with the Calves. I
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: don't know if it's their their defense, if they're just
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: a little My friend who is die hardcats and says,
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: I asked him coming in, I was like, do you
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: think the Calves plus one fifteen to get to the
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: conference finals? Almost bet it? And he's his response to
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: me was he watches every single one of their games.
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: He's said, I think they are the softest team in
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: the league. So he said, someone will get hurt against
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: the Pistons and the excuses will flow. But they've been
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: dicking around since early March. Can they flip a switch?
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: Everyone here assumes it's happening, So what do you what
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: are your thoughts in the Calves and like, who at
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: the end of the day is coming out of the East.
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, So the soft thing is a very common criticism
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: with Calves fans, and they're pretty fed up with it.
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: They are the Calves are one of multiple teams. There's
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: like five teams where it's like they got to blow
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: this thing up, like everything is going so badly, Like
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: Houston's on the verge of this, like either Albert Shangun
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: or Kevin Durants getting traded the summer. The Nuggets are
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: facing a massive overhaul if they lose in the first
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: round of the Wolves. Everyone is kind of like failing
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: and facing massive changes because it's just like you are
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: so far away. It feels like I like Toronto a
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: lot in this matchup. I bet them plus two and
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: a half on the series spread. I bet them plus
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: one and a half. I think they can get one
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: more game before the series started. I just like the matchup.
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: The thing with the Calves is, you know, yes they're
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: soft and yes they're flood However, if they can get
• 26:08
  Speaker 6: past Toronto, which I think that they can, just because
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: Toronto doesn't have enough offense to be able to win
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: two out of three. Look at the path, it's gonna
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: be this Magic. So that's where this question becomes interesting.
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: It's like, do you think the Magic can really win
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: two series? Can the Magic win if the Magic have
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: passed Detroit? Can they beat two teams?
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: I think they were very.
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: Specifically built to be able to build a beat a
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: team that has no offense in Detroit. But the Caves
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: have an elite offense, Like they have scorers everywhere, Mitchell
• 26:34
  Speaker 6: and Harden, They've got shooters and Merrill, They've got Evan Mobley,
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: and they've got Jared Allen on the pick and roll.
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: And the Magic are tough though, like they are more
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: physical and so they will get into them. So maybe
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: that's enough. I think the gap is too wide, Like
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: I still think the Calves are making the conference finals.
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: You can't really be all that impressed with Boston yet
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: you can't really be impressed with New York, whos struggling
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: with the Hawks. So there's the answer in the Eastern
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: Conference is pretty much pass. That's the only thing you
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: can kind of do here with the Eastern Conference because
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: every team just is kind of a joke.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: And when the entire NBA playoffs is just Thunder versus Spurs.
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's pretty much it.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: So you're not in the camp of whoever survives the
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Knicks Celtics series will come out of the Eastern Conference
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: because that's kind of where I'm at.
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: I think that's that's like the that's the chalk answer, right,
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: and I get it. I think there's actually quite a
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: bit of value on Knicks. I think the Knicks can
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: get past his Hawks team.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Jason Tatum tours Achilles in Madison Square Garden.
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: That brain that's gonna be.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: Did you fill out a bracket before the playoffs? I
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: know people do that, would like predict the finals? Who
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: did you? Who were your finals?
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: So my my finals was gonna was Nick's Thunder with
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: Thunder in six. That was where I got got.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: To, are you sticking with that right now?
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: I'll go with that right now. It seems obvious.
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: I'm the only thing that gives me pause is the
• 27:52
  Speaker 6: NBA is very much a and like I think the
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: all sports kind of are like this, where we're like
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: beginning of NFL season, it was, Oh, I mean it's
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: gonna be one of Baltimore, Buffalo or Kansas City.
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: We know that.
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: No, no, no, And so instead, you know, in the NBA,
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: we're like, oh, it's definitely gonna be Celtics Thunder.
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: No, No, it's not. It's not gonna be one of
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: those Celtics are.
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: I think they're in a really good spot here, like obviously,
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: like they're gonna kill the Sixers team with them, be
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: back and get to the second round, have more rest.
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: Uh, they're very balanced.
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: There are flaws with Boston though, and I do think
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: the New York is live against them in the second round.
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: So I still think that New York has a really
• 28:28
  Speaker 6: good chance of coming out. The whole thing is the.
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: Cav Brandon Anderson's on Calves.
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: That's like his team that he was like loaded up
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: on on futures because the path was there for him
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: to make a run. And they're still in a really
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: good position for them to be in that kind of opportunity.
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: But if you think it, like if you to ask
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: me about a Calves Knicks matchup, I'm like, I kind
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: of like the Calves. If you ask me about a
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: Calves Celtics matchup, but kind of like the Celtics, it
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: kind of depends on where what which matchup they get
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: into the conference finals, which means it's probably gonna be
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: like Orlando Boston and then Boston will murder them.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Are you think you Thinkin's bigger problem is their lack
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: of that like third guy consistently in the big three,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: like some Knights at Stic White sometimes it's Peyton Pritchard.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: Or do you think it's more so their problem.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Is gonna be the chemistry integrating Jason Tatum back into
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: kind of becoming that number one when it's been Jalen
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Brown all season long.
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: I think that's a long term thing, just because I
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: think Jalen based off of everything I've heard, Jalen Brown
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: is like I could have always been this just so
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: everybody knows, I could have always been this guy, and
• 29:28
  Speaker 6: I chose a sacrifice. And then you think, like he's
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: getting a little highed of being disrespected.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: He's getting.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: The media too.
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's not been subtle with it. The problem with
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: Boston really is that they play a style that leaves
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: them open to variants where they will have a night
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: where they are so dependent on threes.
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: Mm hm that on any given night.
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: If those don't fall, like that happened to them versus
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: the Sixers and they lost to Philadelphia last year versus
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: the Knicks. That's really what it was, is they didn't
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: hit their threes and New York hit their threes, and
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: that's it, Like, that's what happened.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: The Jayson Tatum injury didn't happen until the end of
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: that series.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: And so.
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: Boston leaves itself vulnerable in ways that it doesn't necessarily
• 30:07
  Speaker 6: have to based off of the talent. They're an extremely
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: talented team, Like if you talk top to bottom best players,
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: it's them or Calves. But they leave themselves open with
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: how they play.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Do you think that's because Joe Mizzoula doesn't want to
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: be wrong about the mathematics of it all, or do
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: you think that he just truly thinks that that's the
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: way that you win basketball games, Because there's been rumors
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: up here that like at times Brad Stevens has had
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: to be like Joe, stop shooting the three.
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's not even so much like a
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: matter of he doesn't want to be it's just that
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: he will not like he will not be like, no,
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: with the course of time, we will win. And after
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: the twenty twenty four title when they killed everyone, it's
• 30:47
  Speaker 6: hard argue with him, Like that's the problem is like
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: it does work. It really does work. Like if you
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: have a math advantage, it's always going to be in
• 30:53
  Speaker 6: your favor. Like that's where the NBA still is. Teams
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: have compensated a lot. We're seeing so many unders in
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: the playoffs these day, and there's been I think a
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: teams are getting smarter about how to guard some of
• 31:04
  Speaker 6: these mechanisms. But at the same time, if you're just
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: a team that never shoots threes and the other team
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: shoots a ton of them, you are up against it.
• 31:11
  Speaker 6: You have got to hope that things swing your way
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: or you're screwed.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: We had thirty two shooting from the Raptors, and they
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: want a game against the Calves. The Magic did the
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: same thing against the Pistons. Is that the way that
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: you're tending to look game to game or is it
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: very much series dependent? Think all right, Like are you
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: blindly leaning under or are you leaning under based on
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: the specific matchup?
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: I think it's a specific matchup. I think you gotta
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: be in the right context.
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: And I also look at I think home versus Away
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: is a big swing here about where they're getting offense from.
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: I think, yeah, look at you know, the calves on
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: the road have been really struggled offensively. I think that
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: there's a I think you've got to be careful about
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: going you know, never go blindly on anything. But the
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: other the other factor here, I do think is the
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: you know, styles make fights, and we got a bunch
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: of styles of defenses that have the ability to clog
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: up the opponent's offense in the first round.
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: They may not happen going forward.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: Achilles. I have an achilles two part Achilles questions. One,
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: it's kind of serious, kind of not how many more
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: achilles need to be torn for the NBA to shorten
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: their season? And two did an achilles injury plus a
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: knee injury save the Nuggets from blowing this all up?
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: And might that be a bad thing in the long run?
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: Assuming you think that they're going to win this, win
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: the series.
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll go backwards. I don't know if they're gonna win.
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: There's a lot of skepticism in Denver about them winning
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: the series.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Still.
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: It's like, but they were without Anthony Edwards. Yeah, that's
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: how sad Denver has been, I think.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: And den Dante's I mean their whole starting backcourt.
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, I mean, look, they couldn't the Wolves last night.
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: You couldn't do anything offensively, couldn't do anything offensively.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: They got to close out and just six is their
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: only chance.
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: Right they got they gotta get it. They got to
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: get six or they're dead and seven. I agree. I
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: don't know that this has saved them because it's like
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: they have to then now, So it's gonna be very weird.
• 33:14
  Speaker 6: What if they struggle with the Wolves and then they
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: beat the Spurs, because that matchup I think is better
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: for them, Like they've been really good versus San Antonio,
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: and if they beat San Antonio then it changes the
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: entire thing. The problem for them is like it's not talent,
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: it's not like how the roster is put together. It's
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: just Nikola Jokic played like you wanted to go back
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: to Serbia and hammer beer all day every day.
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: Horses, Yes, while riding horses.
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: Just drinking constantly, well, riding horses. That's how That's how
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: he played for four games, That's how he played. He
• 33:45
  Speaker 6: just like wasn't and then he started to actually, like
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: last night he said a tone and they got the
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: win magic.
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: That Randall Layot might the spark, Uh yeah.
• 33:55
  Speaker 6: And then but on the Achilles thing, uh, Silver has
• 33:59
  Speaker 6: just maintained.
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: Silver is a So there's there's the scene in zero Dark.
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: Thirty where the advisor for the president is talking and
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: he's like, the president's a thoughtful, analytical guy. He needs
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: data like he wants like factual information, and Adam Silver
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: is exactly that way. He's a guy that unless the
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: data tells him we are suffering injuries at a historically
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: higher rate that can be definitively proven by the wear
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: and tear of the season, he's not gonna buy it,
• 34:28
  Speaker 6: in part because like the owners don't want to hear it.
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: The owners are just like, no, we make so much more.
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: Look at how much money we're making. He want us
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: to give money back? No, I absolutely not.
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: Players.
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: I think are actually at a point of being willing to.
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: I think players are actually at the point of being like,
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: we can talk about a reduction if we can play
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: fewer games. And I don't think the ownership is willing
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: to go to even open that that pathway at all.
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: It is painful because everyone knows that. Not only like
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: the injuries are obviously like a huge reason to do this,
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: like the you know, alleviating pain, pain and suffering. But
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: the other thing is that we would get so many
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: better games, like the fact that everyone's like the regular
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: season sucks. Should not be how it is, like, we
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: should be able to get good games in the regular
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: season consistently and more often. And you can't do it
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: with travel.
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: You just can't.
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: You cannot do it with playing three and fours, five
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: and sevens back to backs. But they won't listen because
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: the money. And that's the end of it. It's just
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: like the money is there, they won't do it.
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: What they might do, they don't do good games, and
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: then every playoff series is determined by injuries.
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so what they might do is they might build
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: in more rest in the regular season. I think there
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: is going to be a push this summer to extend
• 35:29
  Speaker 6: to do the opposite, which is extend the schedule in
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: terms of the days, move back to the beginning of October.
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: Like no one cares.
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: About about the NBA until February. Anyway, you might as
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: well start earlier and then extend to the right into
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: the end of April, stretch it out get fewer back
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: to backs and more rest.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: The pace issue is something that should probably be addressed
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: as well. I think that's been a huge part of
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: the equation. So actionable item here and we'll give out
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: our plant the flag bets for futures in the NBA
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: Playoffs in a moment. But from what I gather for
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: folks out there that are listening to this saying I'm
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: casually watching the NBA Playoffs, I just want a winning
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: ticket out there. Taking the Thunder to win the title
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: at minus one ten not a ton of fun. Maybe
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: you pair it with the Boston Celtics to come out
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: of the East, the Thunder to come out of the
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: West plus one ninety two on draft kings. For someone
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: that just wants to have a nice long term ticket
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: that has a chance to see the light of day,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: is that one that you would suggest the so MVP
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: next year?
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: There you I love Io, He's so good man. I
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: actually think that a good one to get in on.
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: Is there there's a real path here for this. I
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: think that we're going to see an upset in the
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: Eastern Conference. So let's say not Boston, right, and I do.
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: I will say this, this is setting up very nicely.
• 36:53
  Speaker 6: Let's say that the Wolves close it out in six, Well,
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: then they're dead meat versus Antonio Towns or not Towns,
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: and it's not gonna be back until probably Game three.
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: I think he plays next round, but I just don't
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: think he's back before Game three. They lost a major shooter,
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: they're tired, They're gonna play the game a seven game series.
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: I don't hate the matchup for Minnesota, but I do
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: hate it if they don't have Anthony Edwards. All right,
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: so san Antonio advances. San Antonio said, okay, so he's
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: number the entire season, like the victor. Remenniam is the
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: one individual that really messes with him. Now, I've been
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: low on the Spurs future hopes because they're so inexperienced,
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: and I do think that matters, but they're in a
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: very unique position with the path that's been set up
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: where it's like, all right, you gotta get past you
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: know this Blazer's team isn't good. Then a banged up, exhausted,
• 37:44
  Speaker 6: shorthanded Wolves team, Okay, that gets you to the conference finals,
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: and then the conference finals you faced team that has
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: been absolutely that you have owned and everyone knows you've
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: owned and they know it, and they've talked about it
• 37:56
  Speaker 6: about how Victor remenyiam is a problem. So if you
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: get on something like Sam Antonio to beat the Knicks
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: as an exacta, I think that that has actually, like
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: a like a pretty good amount of value here based
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: off of what were the number that you're able to
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: get in the market.
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: So do that one.
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: Or if you like the Calves better, you can definitely
• 38:15
  Speaker 6: take the Calves. Spurs to beat Nicks is twenty eight
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: to one, and I think that's I think there's a
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: real chance that that winds up and it gives you
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: options that those series go deep to be able to
• 38:25
  Speaker 6: bet your way out of it.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Too fun way to look at it. Or you can
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: take Io Desumo MVP in the twenty six twenty seventh
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: season or Garrett us Meyer Rookie of the Year in
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: the NFL. You know a lot of different ways we
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: can look. We get a Kendra endorsement there time for
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: hour plant the flag segments on our Tuesday episode.
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: Might flag and shut up. I'm trying to plant my
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: flag here.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, you're really planning your flag in that dext So
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: let's plant the flag on an NBA futures bet any future.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: It could be the end of Round one, could be
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: deep into the NBA Finals, all presented by f Kings.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: The crown is yours, Kendro, we will start with you.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: I changed my mind literally two minutes ago about where
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: I was gonna go with this.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: But I started overthinking.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: And God loves and hates Boston at the same time.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: And what quicker way to bury the Diana Rassini and
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Mike Rabel news than for the Celtics to make the
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Eastern Conference Finals and eventually.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: The NBA Finals. I'm gonna go because it's Jalen Brown's
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: team this year.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go Jalen Brown Eastern Conference MVP plus two
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: twenty five because I wish that God hated Boston more
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: than he does. But here we are, He loves them,
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: and I want to party. So That's where I'm finding
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: value in this. And I have my tinfoil hat on, Sueme.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: You live with your tinfoil hat on, so oh yeah yeah,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: maybe there'll be a long court case.
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Matt, what are your thoughts on on Kendra's wager?
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: Here?
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: And what is your plant the flag bet NBA futures.
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm trying to figure out that out. Like if
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: the Celtics win, gonna be the Conference finals MVP. I
• 40:01
  Speaker 6: think it's like a fascinating question because Tatum is the
• 40:03
  Speaker 6: favorite again after Brown was the favorite for months and
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: months and months and months, and now there you know,
• 40:08
  Speaker 6: you can get even a ed DK on both of
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: them at plus T twenty five. It's gonna be one
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: of those two guys. Derek White has struggled this entire season.
• 40:16
  Speaker 6: I like Derek White as an option for because I
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: always kind of go for who's the guy that in
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: a conference finals, not finals conference finals environment can have
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: the kind of series that turns things. I do kind
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: of agree with hero Ond Jalen Brown. I just thinted
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: that with Tatum, you know, he will hit kind of
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: a wall, probably coming back from the injury after being
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: off for a year, and then with the kind of
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: forwards that he's likely to face no matter who he faces,
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: whether it's Orlando or Cleveland, I think there's a very
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: good opportunity there. For or Toronto, there's a very good
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: opportunity to slow that down, and then for Jalen Brown
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: to go absolutely nuts, So I like it.
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: I think that's actually really good value.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: And what is your futures bet? As we plant our flag?
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: I'm I'm gonna stay with this.
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: Jalen Brunson plus seven hundred Eastern Conference Finals MVP. I
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: just the Knicks blew some of these games. I think
• 41:10
  Speaker 6: they're getting out of the series. I think they're winning it.
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: And this floor for the for the Knicks is still
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: so high, like they have great wing defenders and og Anobi.
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: I think Mchal Bridges will get hit whatever's going on
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: with them together. Josh Hart's playing maybe the best basketball
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: of his life. Karl Anthony Towns is playing absolutely fantastic.
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: I kind of think that they're just like their floor.
• 41:30
  Speaker 6: I think the Celtics floor is beneath New York's, and
• 41:33
  Speaker 6: I think that's kind of the story of the Eastern
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: Conference is like whose floor is highest?
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: And I think it's New York.
• 41:38
  Speaker 6: So Jalen Brunson plus seven hundred make a bunch of
• 41:40
  Speaker 6: clutch shots. Eastern Conference Finals MVP is my play my flag.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Stucky, where do you land?
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna stick with the one I mentioned earlier. Calves
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: to make the Eastern Conference Finals their favorite now, but
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: that's a really good but I think they're gonna beat there.
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: I think there's a good chances to go seven, but
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: it's gonna be one of those series where team wins
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: every game and then I think the Magic are going
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: to beat the Pistons, and I think the Calves have
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: too much firepower for the Magic. And if it's the Pistons,
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: I don't trust Detroit's coach one bit or this offense.
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: I don't think they'll have enough against the Calves. So yeah,
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: give me, give me Cleveland to advance to the Eastern
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: Conference Finals.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Advance to the Eastern Conference Finals is plus one fifteen
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: to win the Eastern Conference Finals? Is that? Isn't that
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: the case you? You had said that earlier. I don't
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: see it here, but for the playoffs.
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: But now the Magic roup three to one, it's I
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: think it's like minus one thirty.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Now, if you want them to win the Eastern Conference,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: that's plus three twenty. Not a bad look either, if
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: you believe in those pesky Calves. I'm gonna go with things.
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: I don't do they have conference I don't think they
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: have conference final right now. But I think it's around
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: like minus one thirty is elsewhere.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the I'm gonna stay within round one.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the Rockets plus five point fifty
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: now over on DraftKings to make it out of round
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: one against the Lakers. They're down three to one in
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: this series. I am dug in. I think they win
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Game five in LA. I think they smash in Game
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: six on their home floor, and then we'll sit pretty
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: with a plus five fifty in Game seven, and I'll
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: take my chances against what I believe to be the
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: worst starting lineup in the playoffs. Right now, Lebron love you.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: You're still forty, Luke Canard, Marcus Smart, DeAndre Ayton, Ruy Hachimura.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: This is not a playoff roster. I still like the
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Rockets to get it done.
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: I think with Durants out again tonight, right.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: I don't care. I think in some ways they they
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: play better without him.
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: Durants out and Austin Reeves is back.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: The Reeves thing makes me more nervous.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: Crazy Kravitz.
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's as a.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: Giving Falcons future.
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: The bigger problem is just like you're actually that's a
• 44:03
  Speaker 6: The Falcons is a great comparison, just like you're trusting
• 44:07
  Speaker 6: Houston not not to mess this up. Like that was
• 44:10
  Speaker 6: my entire cap on the series, was Houston's gonna screw
• 44:14
  Speaker 6: this up. That was my entire cap on it. Because
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: their chemistry is horrendous. That team is in the bad place.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: They but they made their way out. They you know
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: what it took them going down three to zero to
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: wake up. Sometimes take it from my magic. Sometimes it
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: takes a minute, sure to shake the demons. That is
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: our Draft Kings Plant the Flag segment NBA Futures. Addition,
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: a quick recap for you. Kendra is on Jalen Brown
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Eastern Conference MVP at plus two to twenty five. Stucky
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: has the Calves making it to the Eastern Conference Finals.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: I've got the Rockets plus five point fifty to beat
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: the Lakers in round one. And Matt Moore from Buckets
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: on Jalen Brunt's in Eastern Conference Finals and VP that
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: is plus seven hundred, go and get it over on
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Draft Kings where the crown is yours. Matt, Thanks so
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: much for hanging out with us, have fun with the
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: hoop heads.
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: Thanks for having me.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: That'll do it for today's episode special thanks to our
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: producers David Paine and Gifford Gold, stats hound Evan Abrams.
• 45:17
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