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'EMPIRE' Star Fakes Hate Crime on Self? Jussie Smollett Trial Commences · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Jesse Smilett on trial finally
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Speaker 1: prosecutor's claim he fabricated a hate crime on himself? Will
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Speaker 1: a jury believe it? I only pray he takes the
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Speaker 1: stand in his own defense Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: He's billing it as a trial of the century. I
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Speaker 1: doubt that seriously. But what really burns me up is
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Speaker 1: that I have worked with hate crime victims and prosecuted
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Speaker 1: hate crimes in front of juries, and if it's true
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Speaker 1: that he fabricated a hate crime on himself, well, juries
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Speaker 1: hold that against hate crime victims and the future and
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Speaker 1: doubt their victimization. The fact that he was a star
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Speaker 1: on the hit series Empire has drawn a lot of
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Speaker 1: attention to this trial going down right now, take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our cut. Hey, this is Dane Reynolds at CBS.
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Speaker 1: How do you feel about these new charges. Smolett's plea
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Speaker 1: of not guilty came almost a year after he was
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Speaker 1: originally booked for fabricating the story of an attack on
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Speaker 1: him by homophobic Trump's supporters. Those original charges were abruptly
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Speaker 1: dropped without much of a reason, and to judge appointed
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Speaker 1: a special prosecutor to take another look through it all.
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Speaker 1: Smolette has insisted he was a victim, and his lawyers
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Speaker 1: have accused brothers Abel and ola Osandiro of beating him
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Speaker 1: up on that sub zero January night last year. The
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Speaker 1: brothers admit involvement, but only in a pattycake publicity stunt
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Speaker 1: concocted by Smolette, which police say was done to get
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Speaker 1: the actor a raise. They have been truthful since day one.
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Speaker 1: The former Empire Stars lawyer Tina Glandian wants the case dismissed.
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Speaker 1: He's obviously frustrated to be dragged through this process again,
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Speaker 1: as our many in Chicago. But who like Mayor Laurie Lightfoot,
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Speaker 1: believe Jesse Smolette should be punished. Let me understand everything
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Speaker 1: that I just heard. He is frustrated that he Smolett
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Speaker 1: has to go through this process again. Well, maybe he
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Speaker 1: should have thought about that before he fabricated a hate
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Speaker 1: crime on himself. But you know what, let's hear all
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Speaker 1: the evidence before we try and convict and sentenced Smolett.
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Speaker 1: But I'm just trying to put it together what his
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Speaker 1: claim is. His claim is I understand it is alexas
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Speaker 1: terrest shut Crime Online Dot com investigat a reporter. If
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Speaker 1: I have it right, Employes, jump in, everybody on the panel.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to introduce you one second. I just want
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Speaker 1: to understand, do I have the facts right? He flies
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Speaker 1: in from out of town. His flight is late, and
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Speaker 1: that's significant. He gets home and then in the middle
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Speaker 1: of the night he decides not to make a bowl
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Speaker 1: of cereal or a piece of cheese toast. He decides
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Speaker 1: to go out for a snack I'm talking about and
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Speaker 1: the middle of the night, like two am, something like that,
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Speaker 1: and he comes down from me as luxury high rise
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Speaker 1: and goes outside and he claims two males put a
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Speaker 1: rope around his neck, try to throw a bleach on him,
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Speaker 1: and a hate crime is because he's gay. So it's
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Speaker 1: a gay hate crime. That is what he said initially
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Speaker 1: he said when he said two men attacked him, and
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Speaker 1: he described very specifically that one had a red Maga
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Speaker 1: hat on. Now that is make America great again, Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump had. He said they were Donald Trump supporters and
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Speaker 1: they were saying homophobic flurs against him because he was gay.
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Speaker 1: He says, because he's gay, yes, And he said that
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Speaker 1: they were attacking him and using the homophobic flurs against
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Speaker 1: him and the purpose of the bleach and the news,
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Speaker 1: what does that have to do with him being gay?
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Speaker 1: That would be more the bleaches just we're going to
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Speaker 1: hurt you because the bleach would hurt you. But the
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Speaker 1: news was more of that is where it comes in
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Speaker 1: as something racist. Okay. See, none of this makes any sense,
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Speaker 1: and you know why it doesn't make sense because it's
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Speaker 1: not true. The two attackers later were found out because
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Speaker 1: they were caught on surveillance video and they know Jesse Smilette.
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Speaker 1: They ain't know him. Wasn't it from a gym Alexa
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Speaker 1: stress Chuck? No, They actually worked as extras on his
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Speaker 1: television show Empire, which filmed in Chicago. They yes, but
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Speaker 1: I thought one was like a personal trainer as well.
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Speaker 1: He was, yes, and then they trained him as well. Okay,
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Speaker 1: they did a music video work out together, so how
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Speaker 1: can they claim they and they just happened to be
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Speaker 1: outside his high rise at what two o'clock? Okay, you
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Speaker 1: know what, We're going to go through the whole thing,
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Speaker 1: but I am just ticked off that he says he's
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Speaker 1: frustrated that he has to go through this again. Guys, again,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Let me introduce you
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Speaker 1: an all star panel. First of all, a real expert
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Speaker 1: in his field, Professor Brian Levin, Director at the Center
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Speaker 1: for the Study of Hate and Extremism at the California
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Speaker 1: State University at San Bernardino. He is also co author
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Speaker 1: of Limits of Descent. Wendy Patrick with me, California prosecutor,
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Speaker 1: author of Red Flags on Amazon. Host of Today with
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Speaker 1: doctor Wendy kcb Q, San Diego. You can find her
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Speaker 1: at Wendy Patrick PhD dot com or announced Psychiatrists joining
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Speaker 1: me out of the Atlanta Jurisdiction, Doctor ANGELA Arnold, an
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Speaker 1: expert in this field. Joseph Scott morgun, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville
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Speaker 1: State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon
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Speaker 1: and start of yet another hit series, Body Bags with
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott morgun on iHeart and I believe that title
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Speaker 1: says it all and of course elects its terrest with
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Speaker 1: US Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter. So what's the story,
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Speaker 1: what's the case all about? Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: cut b our friend Charlie was a hiskey at NBC Chicago.
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Speaker 1: Was Justicemlett, the mastermind of his own heat crime. Today's
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Speaker 1: older brother defended him in the lobby of the courthouse.
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Speaker 1: We look forward to people hearing the actual facts in
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Speaker 1: this case. The lead investigator on the case says he
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Speaker 1: first considered the thirty nine year old Empire actor of victim,
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Speaker 1: but Detective Michael t said, as twenty four to twenty
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Speaker 1: six investigators invested three thousand man hours into the case,
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Speaker 1: pouring over more than fifteen hundred hours of surveillance video,
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Speaker 1: they began to see things differently. Why all the effort.
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Speaker 1: Tea's told the jury it was a horrible hate crime.
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Speaker 1: There was a noose, there was bleach, there was local news,
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Speaker 1: this was national news. Everybody wanted to know what happened.
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Speaker 1: And as it stands right now, the jury has been
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Speaker 1: struck and the small jurars have been shown surveillance video
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Speaker 1: of the Empire star performing a wait for it, dry
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Speaker 1: run the day before he allegedly faked the Chicago hate
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Speaker 1: crime attack. A dry run, a dry run, and it's
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Speaker 1: on video. All right. I know we're supposed to wait
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Speaker 1: until all the evidence is in, but let's analyze what
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Speaker 1: we've got so far. Back to you, Alex's Terrestrick, tell
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Speaker 1: me about the hit series Empire. So this premiered in
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Speaker 1: twenty fifteen on Fox. It is about a wealthy family.
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Speaker 1: They are rap moguls and it's based in New York.
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Speaker 1: It's filmed in Chicago, but based in New York. And
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Speaker 1: he started it with Taraji p Henson. She is the
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Speaker 1: most famous person on this show. And it's just about
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Speaker 1: scrabulously welcome people in the music industry. I love this
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Speaker 1: show and I watched it religiously and it was huge
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Speaker 1: premiere with huge numbers. The season one premiere had like
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Speaker 1: um seventy million viewers minute she played, she did yep.
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Speaker 1: She was the star of the show and it was huge.
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Speaker 1: Everybody loved it. It was a huge hit. And who
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Speaker 1: was he an Empire? What was his character that he
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Speaker 1: was one of the rappers on the show. It's about
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Speaker 1: a whole family and fighting over who's going to get
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Speaker 1: the money. And you know in the next generation crime
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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace, guys, take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: friends again at NBC Chicago, ar say this is Charlie
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Speaker 1: was a husky. After comparing video footage, cell phone records, GPS,
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Speaker 1: and rideshare records, she says, we determined that the alleged
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Speaker 1: ht crime was actually a stage she event and never happened.
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Speaker 1: He played video showing Abimbola and alabingo Osandairo buying supplies
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Speaker 1: for the attack. They say Smolett helped them plan and
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Speaker 1: showed them a photo of the thirty five hundred dollars
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Speaker 1: check they say they were paid for their role in
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Speaker 1: the alleged hoax. After they are arrested by Chicago police,
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Speaker 1: Tea says Smolett sent them a text that he released
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Speaker 1: for the first time today. Brother, I love you, I
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Speaker 1: stand with you. I know one thousand percent you and
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Speaker 1: your brother did nothing wrong and never could. I am
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Speaker 1: making this statement. The text goes on to say, so
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Speaker 1: everyone knows they will not get away with this. Please
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Speaker 1: hit me up when they let you go. I am
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Speaker 1: behind you fully what Please hit me up when they
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Speaker 1: let you go, because isn't it she wills to rest shut.
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Speaker 1: The two brothers were arrested at one point until the
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Speaker 1: truth came out they were and it was a really
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Speaker 1: this was a huge win for the police. They arrested
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Speaker 1: the two suspects because they saw them on surveillance video.
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Speaker 1: Ye know they were identified because they took a ride
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Speaker 1: share home like an uber or a lift, and that
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Speaker 1: was how they found these guys. That's a heck of
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Speaker 1: a getaway car. Wendy Patrick, California Prosecutor. Have you ever
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Speaker 1: seen a defendant that commits a hate crime? I don't
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Speaker 1: care what kind of hate crime. Is it because of sex,
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Speaker 1: it's because of race, it's because of gender, it's because
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Speaker 1: of religion, don't care. Hate is hate. Have you ever
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Speaker 1: seen somebody leave a violent crime by cashing an uber
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Speaker 1: or a lift? No? Absolutely not. And you know, and
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Speaker 1: this is really a sign of the times. This is
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Speaker 1: the way we travel. But people to travel that way
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Speaker 1: know how easy it is to track them. I have
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Speaker 1: worked on many hate crimes that actually were legitimate that's
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Speaker 1: similar to this. I actually worked with Professor Levitt on
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Speaker 1: some of these types of crimes back in the day.
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Speaker 1: But this is a new one, and I think it's
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Speaker 1: probably something maybe they didn't think through beforehand, or we
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Speaker 1: wouldn't have the great evidence we do. Maybe it's because
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Speaker 1: it wasn't a real crime, so they didn't really have
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Speaker 1: to get away. Let's go to our expert, Professor Brian Levin,
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Speaker 1: the director at the Center for Study of Hate and Extremism,
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Speaker 1: it's a real honor to talk to you again, doctor eleven.
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Speaker 1: And I'm making light of Smilette's claims because I've seen
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Speaker 1: so many hate crimes investigated and prosecuted them myself in
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Speaker 1: front of juries, argued them up to the Georgia Supreme
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Speaker 1: Court as well to hold the conviction whole, the hate
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Speaker 1: crime conviction. And it I'm happy because no one died,
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Speaker 1: Number one. I'm always in a great mood, Professor Levin,
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Speaker 1: when nobody's dead that day in the cases we cover.
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Speaker 1: So I'm happy about that. And now that's setting the
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Speaker 1: bar pretty low. You know, nobody died, that's the bar.
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Speaker 1: That's the good day. But it's almost it's farcical that
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Speaker 1: this is a real hate crime. But yet I'm doing
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Speaker 1: a slow burn because just for instance, one hate crime
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Speaker 1: that I God, thank you for this held on appeal
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Speaker 1: was a series of black males across the city of
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Speaker 1: Atlanta were raped and shot in the head during the
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Speaker 1: sex attack. And all of these victims were linked by
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Speaker 1: ballistics because the killer always used the same as I
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Speaker 1: recalled thirty eight caliber and that's how he was tracked.
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Speaker 1: I remember just staring at the composite in that case,
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Speaker 1: and working on that appeal, working, working, working and going
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Speaker 1: to the Georgia Supreme Court and arguing it in front
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Speaker 1: of them and looking them in the eyes and arguing
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Speaker 1: this case. And I was so worried this guy was
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Speaker 1: going to get off on appeal. I was just so worried.
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Speaker 1: And there were any others. But when I think about
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Speaker 1: those victims and I think about somebody faking hate crime,
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Speaker 1: it just burns me that those victims are dead, and
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Speaker 1: many other hate crime victims that I've worked on their cases,
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Speaker 1: they're dead, they're forever scarred. And here's Smollett jumping up
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Speaker 1: with all that money, all that thing, the fancy high rise,
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Speaker 1: the fancy clothes, the works, and he is jobbing the system.
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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm angry, as you should be. And and look,
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Speaker 1: I don't want to get ahead of my skis here,
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Speaker 1: just like you said with that disclaimer. But I'll tell
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Speaker 1: you that's a heck of a lot of evidence against him.
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Speaker 1: You have physical evidence, you actually have the quote unquote perpetrators.
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Speaker 1: Um you have how the story doesn't add up? What
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Speaker 1: I don't understand. Why didn't he take a plea? You know, Oh,
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Speaker 1: that's a good question, Professor eleven. I've said that a
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Speaker 1: million times. I said, why did Scott Patterson just plead guilty?
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Speaker 1: Why didn't talk him? I'm just plead guilty. Well, you
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Speaker 1: know what I don't. I'm a j date, not an
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Speaker 1: m D. Professor. Let's go to the shrink on this.
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Speaker 1: And I say that in a loving and carrying way,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Angie. I think it's because they can't admit to
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Speaker 1: the world that they did this thing. They'd rather go
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Speaker 1: to trial and luck hopefully you know, they think they're
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Speaker 1: going to get off, but proved to the world just
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Speaker 1: didn't happen. They can't look their mother, their father, and
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Speaker 1: their family there in this case they're fans and went, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think to hate crime on myself. You know what
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Speaker 1: I think, Nancy, I'm afraid what what do you think
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Speaker 1: anything happened? Right now? I think he really believes. I
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Speaker 1: think the more times people tell themselves something, they actually
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Speaker 1: come to believe it. And I think he's gonna believe
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Speaker 1: this because he's gonna act like he believes it. And no,
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Speaker 1: he's never gonna admit to it. He's going to make
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Speaker 1: a jury turn him in. You know what, I've heard
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Speaker 1: that a million times. They really believe it. B s Now.
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Speaker 1: I don't think he kind that in medical school. But
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Speaker 1: he did this thing. What do you mean he believes
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Speaker 1: he didn't do it. He can forever tell his family
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Speaker 1: that jury got it wrong. Right, Well, this is okay,
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Speaker 1: here's another uneducated opinion when it comes to psychiatry. Go
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Speaker 1: with me on this, doctor eleven, Tell me what you think,
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Speaker 1: Professor eleven. Um. I think that people tell the same
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Speaker 1: story and they think, oh, okay, I can explain this,
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Speaker 1: and I can explain that and this and that, and
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Speaker 1: they shore up all the holes in their story, and
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Speaker 1: then they start getting mad when you don't believe them,
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Speaker 1: because in their mind they've got it all explained to me.
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Speaker 1: I think that's what they get indignant about. You know,
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Speaker 1: darn well, this guy pulling down this huge paycheck, famous
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Speaker 1: on a super hit series. He knows darn well what happened.
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Speaker 1: He hasn't brainwashed his own self. That's crazy talk. But
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Speaker 1: but if I could just interject real quickly to put
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Speaker 1: it to put another spin on this, he was actually
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Speaker 1: receiving hate mail. So I think it's some emotional level.
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Speaker 1: The guy feels that he was, you know, somehow singled out,
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Speaker 1: and he did he did get hate mail? At least
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Speaker 1: that's what he alleged. Oh you mean those letters he
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Speaker 1: wrote himself. I remember my first death threat. It came
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Speaker 1: by facts from the Fulton County jail. Gee, I wonder
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Speaker 1: who said that. Yeah, everybody else Panels probably gotten hate mail.
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Speaker 1: Let's say Eliza's Terrestia definitely, doctor Angie, maybe, Wendy Patrick definitely.
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Speaker 1: Jess Got you ever get any hate mail or anything
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Speaker 1: like that? No? The did? The did generally don't send
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Speaker 1: me anything, No, no, no, no, I mean like online? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I have, yeah, how to blowback? Particulars were just recently
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Speaker 1: and I really don't know how to take this. Somebody
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Speaker 1: wrote you are ugly? Why aren't you on TV? Well?
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Speaker 1: I had to take that with a box for me.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it just really mean. But so what plus
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Speaker 1: a license to Russia. Let's circle back on what Levin says.
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Speaker 1: Did he really get hate mail or did? Were those
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Speaker 1: the threats he wrote himself? And how does that get
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Speaker 1: a pay raise? How's he going to get a pay
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Speaker 1: raise out of the stunt? That's what it said. There
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Speaker 1: was no proof of who actually sent to pick the
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Speaker 1: letter that had, you know, a drawing of a stick
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Speaker 1: figure in a noose. There was, and he was just
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Speaker 1: he said he thought that they weren't investigating it, but
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Speaker 1: there's no proof that he didn't send it. Okay, guys,
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Speaker 1: it's happening right now, but I still and I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: blame you, Jesse Scott Morgan. We still haven't laid out
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Speaker 1: what allegedly happened that night of the hate crime. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut d our friends at NBC Chicago.
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Speaker 1: Smoris attorneys maintained the attack on him was as real
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Speaker 1: as the heat let at the studio received before the incident.
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Speaker 1: During cross examination, they questioned police evidence, as did one
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Speaker 1: activist who says she came to know a small fabricating cases.
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Speaker 1: This is what the Chicago Police Department does. The defense
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Speaker 1: is also attacking the credibility of the os and Dyer brothers.
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Speaker 1: They are expected to testify in this case later this week.
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Speaker 1: What is unclear is whether or not Josic Smallot will
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Speaker 1: tape the stand in his own defense. Prime Stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Guys, I want you to hear. Just go
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Speaker 1: with me on this. This is our friend Robin Roberts,
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Speaker 1: a great, great lady at ABC. It's our cut eight,
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Speaker 1: and this is raw Been, who I think a great
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Speaker 1: deal of interviewing Jesse Smilett following the attack. Okay, our
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Speaker 1: cut eight, take a lesson. They ran off and I
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Speaker 1: saw where they ran and the phone was in my
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Speaker 1: pocket but it had fallen out, and I was sitting
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Speaker 1: there and my manager was still on the phone. So
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Speaker 1: I picked up the phone and I said, Brandon, and
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Speaker 1: he's like going on and I said, I was just jumped.
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Speaker 1: And then I looked down and I see that there's
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Speaker 1: a rope around my neck, which I hadn't. I hadn't
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Speaker 1: noticed it before you because it was so fast, you
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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It was so fast. How long
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Speaker 1: did this all? It felt like minutes, but it probably
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Speaker 1: was like thirty seconds. Honestly, I can't tell you. Honestly,
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Speaker 1: I noticed the rope around my neck and I started
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Speaker 1: screaming and I said, there's a rope around my neck.
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Speaker 1: Did you get any kind of description of the attack?
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Speaker 1: I gave a body description, and I you know, because
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Speaker 1: I saw this, but and you know, right here or whatever,
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Speaker 1: but I didn't see. I can't tell you what color
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Speaker 1: their eyes were. I can't tell you. And I did
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Speaker 1: not see anything except the second person and I saw
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Speaker 1: running away and the first person, yeah, I saw saw
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Speaker 1: his stature. I gave the description as best as I could.
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Speaker 1: You have to understand also that it's Chicago in winter.
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Speaker 1: People can wear ski masks and nobody's going to question that.
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Speaker 1: That's really interesting because one was his personal trainer. I
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Speaker 1: also want you to hear our cut eleven. This is
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Speaker 1: Robin again, Robin Roberts actually speaking to Jesse Smilett, and listen,
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Speaker 1: don't you know the state if Smilett doesn't take the stand,
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Speaker 1: they can introduce you. They can introduce this into evidence.
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Speaker 1: Because the constitution protects you from an improper questioning by
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Speaker 1: the state, by police, by investigators. It doesn't protect you
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Speaker 1: from blabbing. To Roberts, that was his decision. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to cutt eleven. Subway is open twenty four hours
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Speaker 1: for a reason. So then when you're hungry at night
20:57
Speaker 1: and you ain't got no food, you go to subway
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Speaker 1: the camera facing north. How is that my issue? It
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Speaker 1: feels like if I had said it was a Muslim
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Speaker 1: or a Mexican or someone black, I feel like the
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Speaker 1: doubters would have supported me a lot much more a
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Speaker 1: lot more, and that says a lot about the place
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Speaker 1: that we are in our country right now, the fact
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Speaker 1: that we have these fear mongols, these people that are
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Speaker 1: trying to separate us, and it's just not okay. It's
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Speaker 1: just not okay. And for all of the people, the
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Speaker 1: next time that you see someone report something, maybe well
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Speaker 1: after the fact that it happened, and you say to them,
21:49
Speaker 1: why are you waiting till now? Just remember that mine
21:52
Speaker 1: was reported right away and look what has happened. And
21:56
Speaker 1: in twenty one, our friend Rob Egglas said ABC seven,
22:01
Speaker 1: the lawyer for the two Sendai brothers actually challenge Jesse
22:07
Speaker 1: Smilett to tell the choice listen to this. I think
22:10
Speaker 1: Jesse Smoilett should come clear because of truthful segmentary bold
22:14
Speaker 1: words from the attorney of Abel and ola Osandero brothers,
22:18
Speaker 1: who spend hours talking to prosecutors in a grand jury.
22:21
Speaker 1: They are the same men police say are in this
22:23
Speaker 1: surveillance photo and its evidence, Jesse Smilette told Robin Roberts
22:28
Speaker 1: shows his attackers. I don't have any doubt in my
22:31
Speaker 1: mind that that's there. The Empire actor who told police
22:35
Speaker 1: two mass men beat him yelling racial and homophobic slurs
22:39
Speaker 1: in Chicago Streeterville neighborhood is now charged with his own
22:42
Speaker 1: alleged crime, the Cook County States Attorney's Office, saying Smilette
22:46
Speaker 1: faces one felony count of disorderly conduct stemming from filing
22:50
Speaker 1: a false police report. Smilette is expected in bondcourt at
22:53
Speaker 1: one thirty. I think that Jesse's conscience is probably not
22:56
Speaker 1: letting him sleep right now, so I think he should
22:58
Speaker 1: unload that conscience and to come out until the American
23:01
Speaker 1: people would actually have Smilett's lawyers fired back, releasing his
23:04
Speaker 1: statement saying, quote, like any other citizen, mister Spilett enjoys
23:08
Speaker 1: the presumption of innocence. Given the circumstances, we intend to
23:11
Speaker 1: conduct a thorough investigation and to mount an aggressive defense
23:16
Speaker 1: by too. Alexis to Rezchik joining us, Alexis, I want
23:21
Speaker 1: you to hear what Joe Scott Morgan has to say
23:23
Speaker 1: regarding the actual evidence in this case. He's the forensics expert.
23:27
Speaker 1: What is going to be proven? We know so far.
23:30
Speaker 1: Jurors have been shown footage the two brothers involved in
23:34
Speaker 1: the alleged hate crime against Smilette with the Empire actor
23:39
Speaker 1: two days before they're caught on video buying the supplies
23:45
Speaker 1: used in the attack. And now we're hearing that Smilette
23:49
Speaker 1: himself performed a dry run of the attack before it occurred.
23:55
Speaker 1: But first to you, jose Scott Morgan joining US Professor
23:58
Speaker 1: Forensics Jacksonville State University and author Joe Scott, what do
24:03
Speaker 1: you consider to be the most critical forensic evidence in
24:07
Speaker 1: this case? Well, I think it's what he refused to do, Nancy.
24:11
Speaker 1: You know, they the police actually talked about his refusal
24:14
Speaker 1: to submit to a DNA test relative to this noose
24:20
Speaker 1: that he found allegedly around his neck. And so what
24:24
Speaker 1: they wanted to do was, you know, do the cheek swab,
24:27
Speaker 1: the buckle mucostal swab relative to the DNA sample. All right,
24:32
Speaker 1: swab is so easy. It's like taking a really long
24:36
Speaker 1: Q tip. Ye, rub it on the inside of your
24:39
Speaker 1: cheek and you get DNA. That's what that is. Okay,
24:42
Speaker 1: go ahead, when you start throwing around buckle mucosta swab,
24:46
Speaker 1: well let's cheek. But yeah, yeah, you're right, and it's
24:50
Speaker 1: very simple to do, Nancy. I mean, you don't have
24:52
Speaker 1: to be a rocket scientist to do it. And then
24:54
Speaker 1: what they were going to do is compare any kind
24:57
Speaker 1: of DNA recovered off of this this noose that he
25:02
Speaker 1: allegedly had around his neck. You remember what he said
25:06
Speaker 1: when the police got there, the first thing I would
25:08
Speaker 1: do is get that rope from around my hand and
25:10
Speaker 1: secured because it's fragile. You know, this is biological evidence,
25:15
Speaker 1: and it's very very fragile in this environment. And what
25:19
Speaker 1: you want to do is these two brothers that when
25:22
Speaker 1: you know, you've got the videotape of them going into
25:24
Speaker 1: the store to purchase all of these items to facilitate this,
25:27
Speaker 1: guess what might be there. They're touched DNA on the
25:31
Speaker 1: surface of this rope. If they purchased it, they handed
25:34
Speaker 1: it over to him, So then you kind of get
25:36
Speaker 1: this this triangulation where you have both of them touching
25:40
Speaker 1: at the brothers that is, and then Simolette his DNA
25:45
Speaker 1: would be there as well. So how do you connect
25:47
Speaker 1: those three things? Well, the numbers that you're talking about
25:50
Speaker 1: are astronomical relative to probability, So that's what they're looking at.
25:55
Speaker 1: And I don't know how how cooperative he was in
25:59
Speaker 1: order them for them to facilitate this testing. Well, the
26:03
Speaker 1: reality is straight back out. The cooperation is this, Wendy,
26:08
Speaker 1: it's Alexis. Yeah, and Wendy, I want to circle back
26:11
Speaker 1: with you. Once he turned into a defendant, they can
26:13
Speaker 1: just do a search one and get his DNA, but Alexis,
26:16
Speaker 1: go ahead place. So at when it small like called
26:20
Speaker 1: the police, they came over to his house. He actually
26:22
Speaker 1: asked them to turn off their body cameras, which I
26:26
Speaker 1: suppose if your celebrity is something that whatever, But if
26:29
Speaker 1: you are telling the tree, do you want people to
26:32
Speaker 1: see what happened? That sort of seemed to raise a
26:34
Speaker 1: lot of suspicions at the time. So didn't that cooperative once?
26:37
Speaker 1: That's a critical fact? He did? You write that down
26:39
Speaker 1: in my Philo chart of evidence? Ask cops to turn
26:42
Speaker 1: off body cam? Drop a quick point, yes, go ahead, yeah,
26:48
Speaker 1: because we're touching on this before where I got to
26:50
Speaker 1: make half half of my point and that was the
26:52
Speaker 1: worst one. But just beer with me. I think the
26:56
Speaker 1: strongest thing he had going was a his theatrics and
27:03
Speaker 1: be the the appearance of earnestness and sincerity and what
27:08
Speaker 1: I'm saying to having looked at the host cases we've
27:13
Speaker 1: seen over the years, which are by the way, very small,
27:16
Speaker 1: we saw about sixty four out of twenty one thousand
27:20
Speaker 1: over a three year period. But here's what I think
27:24
Speaker 1: it's so interesting we see with these folks. Just bear
27:26
Speaker 1: with MESU. I think it's important. I think these folks
27:29
Speaker 1: who do this have actually experienced some kind of emotional
27:35
Speaker 1: thing related to bias during their life, whatever it is,
27:39
Speaker 1: and now what they see as well, you know, this
27:42
Speaker 1: is an opportunity. And what we see with these kind
27:45
Speaker 1: of folks, we see various things. We see most of
27:48
Speaker 1: these are done by college students, by the way, first
27:51
Speaker 1: of all, so either it's a distraction from from some
27:54
Speaker 1: wrongdoing and a grand guisements or some kind of benefit
27:59
Speaker 1: a social or otherwise. And what I'm saying Hugh was
28:02
Speaker 1: he certainly matches not not the college students thing, because
28:06
Speaker 1: that's most of the ones you see, but they usually
28:08
Speaker 1: unravel right at the time that they're officially reported. And
28:12
Speaker 1: what I think that he didn't expect. I don't think
28:15
Speaker 1: he expected the Chicago police to be so thorough. And
28:20
Speaker 1: that's where I think his big misstep was. And I
28:24
Speaker 1: we see this a lot, this kind of Icarus syndrome
28:27
Speaker 1: where these folks legitimately can channel these emotions of having
28:32
Speaker 1: experienced the stuff. So whether or not you know those
28:36
Speaker 1: initial letters where his or not, he probably had some
28:40
Speaker 1: hateful letters over his career. When you're famous, that kind
28:42
Speaker 1: of stuff happens. And that's that's what I think. When
28:45
Speaker 1: you get to the level where we're going over forensics
28:47
Speaker 1: and videos and you have these these witnesses, everything else
28:52
Speaker 1: falls like dominoes, and the only thing that he's got
28:55
Speaker 1: now is a double ed sword. No, no competent lawyer
28:59
Speaker 1: would let him know. It would be the emotion of saying, no,
29:02
Speaker 1: this really happened. But Dennis, you pointed out Nancy, then
29:06
Speaker 1: he gets crossed, and he'll get crossed crime stories with
29:22
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. You know what? Levin Professor Brian Levin joining
29:28
Speaker 1: me from the Center for the Study of Hayden Extremism.
29:30
Speaker 1: I could listen you talk all day long. I've said
29:33
Speaker 1: that we're actually about every It's really interesting the way
29:38
Speaker 1: you talked about motivation, which, of course the state doesn't
29:41
Speaker 1: have to prove distraction to grandiesment. What was the third one, Oh,
29:45
Speaker 1: we sometimes we have insurance fraud for instance. That's a
29:48
Speaker 1: good one. But you said something else, distraction and grandiement
29:51
Speaker 1: and some other motivation. What was it making making one socially,
29:58
Speaker 1: it's having one social status elevated, but also I think
30:02
Speaker 1: in some perverse way, to bear with me, it's some
30:06
Speaker 1: kind of tipping of the scale back. In other words,
30:08
Speaker 1: I always hated sometime during my life and it hurt me. Well,
30:12
Speaker 1: now I'm going to cash in on it in some way.
30:14
Speaker 1: And that's where that legit. When you're looking at him,
30:17
Speaker 1: you know, with those crocodile tears. Some of that is
30:20
Speaker 1: coming certainly from the fact that he was an actor,
30:22
Speaker 1: but I think some of that comes from some kind
30:24
Speaker 1: of experience he had before and and it's kind of
30:27
Speaker 1: consistent with what we see. In other words, this transference
30:32
Speaker 1: of bigotry from something that may have happened earlier that
30:35
Speaker 1: wasn't as serious, to something that's completely farcical and meet
30:38
Speaker 1: up professional. And I certainly hope you're not saying that
30:42
Speaker 1: some prior active bigotry or hatred or dislike against let's
30:49
Speaker 1: just say at that time would be a victim is
30:51
Speaker 1: somehow justification for committing a crime like this. People in
30:56
Speaker 1: that area and every area in every big city are
30:59
Speaker 1: being raped, murdered, assaulted, shot dope dealing, you name it,
31:06
Speaker 1: and they're gonna call it the cops out at two
31:08
Speaker 1: am in the morning, were some bees suspicion. But it's
31:13
Speaker 1: how he does it and God's tyle. I think he
31:16
Speaker 1: channeled that ability to feel self righteous and emotional and
31:20
Speaker 1: make it make it kind of stick for a lot
31:22
Speaker 1: of people who believed it because it came from a
31:25
Speaker 1: place where he had felt this prior. Am I saying No,
31:30
Speaker 1: I think his news, so to speak, he's trying to
31:33
Speaker 1: find jump in Joe Scott. Yeah. One of the things
31:37
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about here is that you know, and I know,
31:40
Speaker 1: because of his profile in the community, they're going to
31:44
Speaker 1: throw a ton of resources at this case. How many
31:48
Speaker 1: how many investigators did they put on this case? And
31:51
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you three numbers really quick. In twenty nineteen,
31:55
Speaker 1: there were almost five hundred homicides in Chicago seven over
31:59
Speaker 1: seven teen hundred rapes nancy in Chicago, and over fifteen
32:04
Speaker 1: thousand assaults. And so this guy rising to this level
32:09
Speaker 1: of prominence in this community, they're going to demand that
32:13
Speaker 1: all eyes beyond this. So how many detectives, how much
32:16
Speaker 1: manpower is being taken away from those cases where you've
32:20
Speaker 1: got really people suffering? Man? I mean really suffering and
32:24
Speaker 1: focusing on you. This term, I think, doctor Lende, this farce,
32:29
Speaker 1: this farcical thing. This means it's a tragedy. Hey, you
32:33
Speaker 1: know what I keep thinking about, and I know everybody
32:36
Speaker 1: on this panel knows what I'm talking about. I'm thinking
32:39
Speaker 1: about real hate crimes. And I was very interested in
32:44
Speaker 1: the figure that doctor excuse me, Professor Bryan Levin, throughout
32:49
Speaker 1: sixty four, only sixty four out of twenty one thousand
32:52
Speaker 1: hate crimes over a three year period were faked, just
32:56
Speaker 1: sixty four out of twenty one thousand. What I'm thinking
32:59
Speaker 1: about or not statistics, although I find that pretty pretty persuasive.
33:05
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about the scenes of actual hate crimes, where
33:10
Speaker 1: somebody's dead and it's bloody, and it smells really bad
33:18
Speaker 1: because blood and human decomposition is set in and it's sticky,
33:24
Speaker 1: and it's something you never forget. And when you've seen
33:30
Speaker 1: hate crime victims that lived, how they're forever traumatize it
33:36
Speaker 1: that you can't go back to the way you were before. Ever.
33:41
Speaker 1: You can go on in life, but you can't go
33:43
Speaker 1: back to the innocent you were before you were the
33:49
Speaker 1: victim of a hate crime. I'm thinking about them and
33:53
Speaker 1: this ridiculous story. Hey Alexis, could you just walk us
33:58
Speaker 1: through and start with the threats that I mean, it's
34:04
Speaker 1: straight out. It's like a fifth grade girl wrote a
34:08
Speaker 1: mystery novel. It's like, did what did he cut out
34:11
Speaker 1: the letters out of a magazine? I can see on murder?
34:14
Speaker 1: She wrote? Is that how that worked? His original hate threats?
34:19
Speaker 1: And there's like a state figure with a noose and
34:22
Speaker 1: then hello and behold the purps. I guess knew he
34:27
Speaker 1: was gonna get the Munchie's at two am and go
34:29
Speaker 1: to subway or waiting out in sub zero weather waiting
34:33
Speaker 1: for him to put a noose around his neck. So
34:38
Speaker 1: it just, yes, amazingly matches the letter. And there was
34:42
Speaker 1: a letter that was sent to the moot, to the
34:43
Speaker 1: studio that produced the television show, Fox Studio, and he
34:48
Speaker 1: so what he had said or what they what has
34:51
Speaker 1: been reported is he didn't feel like it was getting
34:54
Speaker 1: enough attention. It was getting a lot of threats. Now
34:57
Speaker 1: then the attack happened. What of things. I'm wondering if
35:01
Speaker 1: they're going to introduce this as evidence, because maybe one
35:04
Speaker 1: of the other I first talked about it. So he's
35:06
Speaker 1: saying that Bleach was thrown on him. So this is
35:08
Speaker 1: two o'clock in the morning in Chicago. It was something
35:10
Speaker 1: like negative thirty four degrees that night, and so people
35:14
Speaker 1: were saying that if you threw bleach it which literally
35:18
Speaker 1: freeze instantly and freeze up, and it wouldn't be possible
35:21
Speaker 1: to be to have been thrown on him at that
35:24
Speaker 1: temperature outside in the middle of the night. Is that change, Scott, Well,
35:28
Speaker 1: I can speak to the nature of water. It almost
35:31
Speaker 1: turns into a vapor. You can see it crystallizes in
35:34
Speaker 1: the air. I'm assuming that bleach would probably have the
35:37
Speaker 1: same effect. And not only that, there is going to
35:40
Speaker 1: be evidence left behind on clothing perhaps where I mean,
35:44
Speaker 1: we all know what happens when exposed clothing to bleach.
35:48
Speaker 1: It's the worst thing that can happen to your wardrobe.
35:50
Speaker 1: It changes colors and that sort of thing, and not
35:53
Speaker 1: to mention the costic effects that it has on your skin,
35:56
Speaker 1: and then inhalation you're gonna have red irritated areas. So yeah,
36:00
Speaker 1: there would be evidence of this fancy you know, Nancy connection.
36:03
Speaker 1: But this is this is Wendy. I was I was
36:05
Speaker 1: gonna waiting at all. All of what you're bringing up
36:08
Speaker 1: is going to be a great circumstantial case as to motives,
36:11
Speaker 1: motives to live, motives to make it up. Remember the
36:13
Speaker 1: polar vortex where during the time that this happened, that
36:17
Speaker 1: was splashed all over the news. Can you imagine foraging
36:20
Speaker 1: for food in the middle of the night in those
36:22
Speaker 1: sub zero temperatures, not to mention the difficulty that would
36:26
Speaker 1: cause in recognizing clothing and believing somebody recognized Jessie given
36:31
Speaker 1: the fact that he was probably I think he totally
36:33
Speaker 1: bundled up. This is the subway. He went to subway
36:37
Speaker 1: and got food. And I can say, you know, I
36:40
Speaker 1: remember being a single person, you might not have any
36:41
Speaker 1: food in your house in the middle of the night.
36:43
Speaker 1: He did go to subway and get a sandwich. Okay,
36:45
Speaker 1: you know what that's so he would be spotted on
36:47
Speaker 1: videos surveillance. Hey, you know, I'm just going to project here,
36:50
Speaker 1: and I would totally argue this to the jury. About
36:53
Speaker 1: midnight last night, I had fallen asleep in the twins room.
36:56
Speaker 1: I got up and then decided I was angry. I thought, oh,
36:58
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to walk to the kid chin and
37:00
Speaker 1: actually find something forget it. Got to sleep, so I
37:03
Speaker 1: don't even want to walk to the kitchen much less
37:06
Speaker 1: get dressed at two am and go out into a
37:10
Speaker 1: polar vortex at negative thirty four degrees at two am,
37:14
Speaker 1: and then go try to explain the subway sandwich, how
37:16
Speaker 1: I want my turkey, and no, that's not happening, and
37:20
Speaker 1: plus there's twenty four hour delivery. Why would he do that?
37:25
Speaker 1: I mean, let's just talk about the food aspect of
37:27
Speaker 1: this thing. Back to you, alexis dress chuck. I got
37:29
Speaker 1: carried away on something, Joe Scott said. So he gets
37:33
Speaker 1: these threats and tell me about the allegation about the
37:37
Speaker 1: hate crime. And we haven't even gotten to us at
37:40
Speaker 1: Kim Fox that dropped the original charges. That's a whole
37:44
Speaker 1: other can of worms. Why she did that and had
37:47
Speaker 1: to bring in an independent prosecutor investigator on this case.
37:52
Speaker 1: But Alexis so that night, just to start very quickly,
37:55
Speaker 1: give me a nutshell version. He flies in out of
37:59
Speaker 1: town and he's light, and which is important, I haven't
38:01
Speaker 1: out of town very late, goes home, decides to go
38:04
Speaker 1: out and get a sandwich at subway, gets the sandwich
38:08
Speaker 1: and then is attacked. Is attacked on the streets of Chicago.
38:12
Speaker 1: There is not video as his actual attack. There's video
38:16
Speaker 1: from before and there's a video from after, but it just,
38:19
Speaker 1: you know, not everywhere in every city has surreillance cameras everywhere.
38:23
Speaker 1: This happened to be a spot where there wasn't a camera.
38:24
Speaker 1: It was you know, a block away and a block after.
38:27
Speaker 1: So he is attacked. He goes home, He calls his publicists,
38:30
Speaker 1: which is what actors do that this is their crisis manager,
38:33
Speaker 1: this is their spokesperson, this is their voice. So he
38:36
Speaker 1: calls his manager. As the still around his neck. And
38:40
Speaker 1: by the way, doctor Jackie here and on the set
38:46
Speaker 1: b Rory Joe Scott Morgan. She says, blache can easily
38:49
Speaker 1: phreeze if you leave it outside during the cold months.
38:52
Speaker 1: They are a different type of bleaches. Each one has
38:55
Speaker 1: a unique freezing point, but it absolutely does freeze. And
38:59
Speaker 1: I get us at negative thirty four that would apply. Okay,
39:03
Speaker 1: back to you, thank you, thank you, doctor Jackie. Go ahead.
39:06
Speaker 1: So then he calls the police. They show up. Now
39:10
Speaker 1: they are conflicting. Well, this isn't conflicting short, this is
39:12
Speaker 1: maybe something. It's another part of the evidence. A video
39:14
Speaker 1: that showed him prior he had with the rope hanging
39:19
Speaker 1: down and then when the first image when the police
39:23
Speaker 1: come and then he asked them to turn off the camera,
39:26
Speaker 1: the rope is actually nodded, so there were some questions
39:29
Speaker 1: that he may have tied the rope himself so that
39:33
Speaker 1: it better introduced. Yeah, I want to make a I
39:38
Speaker 1: want to get waved into the jurisdation, help with the
39:40
Speaker 1: prosecution on this. So then what happens. Then the police
39:44
Speaker 1: start the investigation. Everybody takes us very seriously. There is
39:48
Speaker 1: no reason to suspect that he learned about this, none whatsoever.
39:51
Speaker 1: This is, you know, this is he seems distraught, there
39:55
Speaker 1: is evidence, there's a news there there, it's all the
39:58
Speaker 1: evidence is there. There's no reason. It's the second made.
40:00
Speaker 1: So the police go full out of investigating this. Every
40:03
Speaker 1: Nobody wants this to happen to anybody, you know, I
40:05
Speaker 1: hate crime or really nobody wants any crime to happen.
40:08
Speaker 1: And so they pour over surveillance video of the blocks
40:11
Speaker 1: where he was and then days later they actually make
40:15
Speaker 1: an arrest. In the meantime, he has gone on, he
40:18
Speaker 1: has spoken out in public. Everybody has been very supportive.
40:21
Speaker 1: Lee Daniel, as the creator of his television show, says
40:24
Speaker 1: he stands behind him one hundred percent. This is terrible.
40:26
Speaker 1: Even though Vice well I don't think she's vice president
40:29
Speaker 1: of the time, but even I think Kamala Harris said,
40:32
Speaker 1: you know, this is a modern day lynching. People were
40:34
Speaker 1: very much behind him and supported him and Blue here. Well,
40:37
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, alexas I got stopped. Don't want anybody would
40:40
Speaker 1: go out at two am in a polar vortex to
40:41
Speaker 1: get a subway. I mean that stopped me in my
40:44
Speaker 1: tracks right then. And if you choose to believe that
40:49
Speaker 1: the the haters had focused on him, had targeted him,
40:54
Speaker 1: they would have to know that his plane came in late.
40:57
Speaker 1: They would have to know that he was going to
40:58
Speaker 1: get hungry at two am and got the subway and
41:01
Speaker 1: being the perfect position for them to throw bleach on him.
41:04
Speaker 1: It just and have to wait outside for the perfect
41:07
Speaker 1: moment for smallt to come outside. What every night? None
41:12
Speaker 1: of it makes sense. His story does not hang together.
41:18
Speaker 1: So on day one, who subway insting Nancy? Yeah, go ahead, yeah,
41:22
Speaker 1: I remember what Morton Downey June that that famous TV
41:26
Speaker 1: pundit that had his own show when his career was
41:28
Speaker 1: kind of stalling, he had a backward swastick that was
41:32
Speaker 1: allegedly done by skinheaded Sancisco Airport. But then folks said, wait,
41:36
Speaker 1: maybe that's what someone would do with a mirror. What
41:38
Speaker 1: I'm saying. What I'm saying is, I do think there's
41:41
Speaker 1: an interesting motive. Everything that you're saying is true, And
41:44
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is, I think the most interesting motive
41:47
Speaker 1: would come from the prosecutor to say, you know what,
41:51
Speaker 1: it's because this guy wanted something that celebrities crave because
41:55
Speaker 1: they can translate that into new jobs and other types
41:59
Speaker 1: of currency, and that is attention, particularly sympathetic attention. And
42:05
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, it's the only thing that
42:08
Speaker 1: adds up every time you bring up a fact, it
42:11
Speaker 1: is damning. It is damning to the defense. So it's
42:15
Speaker 1: one of those times where you know, darn where the
42:19
Speaker 1: hours are pointed in one way. Look, let's give him
42:22
Speaker 1: a fair trial. Let's see what the evidence is. But
42:24
Speaker 1: gus just listening to you and listen to all these
42:27
Speaker 1: other experts with respect to the forensics, with respect to
42:30
Speaker 1: how this took place, with respect to the evidence, and
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Speaker 1: his statements that were tenuous at best. Boy, he's got
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Speaker 1: to come up with something good because the way this
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Speaker 1: is going now, it does not look good if he
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Speaker 1: takes a stand. Professor eleven, it's going to be an oscar.
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Speaker 1: Better be an Oscar performance. We wait as justice unfalls.
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Speaker 1: Nancy grace Kind story signing off Goodbye, Friend one