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Bad Idea #44 "Vegi products are unhealthy’" with Nesli Sözer
Are ultra-processed foods really the enemy?
In this conversation, Mark Lynas sits down with Nesli Sözer, research professor at VTT Technical Research Centre of Finland and founder of NAPKIN (Nordic Alternative Protein Knowledge and Innovation Network—yes, the best food acronym ever). Sözer dismantles the myth that processing itself makes food unhealthy, revealing why the NOVA classification system is scientifically flawed and how it threatens the future of sustainable protein.
The UPF panic labels whole grain bread, cheese, and plant-based burgers as "ultra-processed" while ignoring what…
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