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- 0:00S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl
- 0:06S1: and crew. Come as you are an experienced guide, overcome
- 0:10S1: what seems impossible and live as you never imagined delivering
- 0:16S1: the truth daily.
- 0:17S2: If it were possible to have every worldly gain available
- 0:21S2: and you're forfeiting your soul, there's no amount of gain
- 0:25S2: that would make it worth it.
- 0:26S3: Our own way never ever works. Because it's apart from
- 0:29S3: the life source, which is God.
- 0:32S4: For me, growing up, love was always conditional and can
- 0:36S4: be taken from you. Christ's love can't. And he went
- 0:39S4: to the cross with my mind and my heart that night.
- 0:44S1: Now from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
- 0:48S1: and crew.
- 0:50S5: We got to get to the point where we grapple
- 0:52S5: with and realize that the. One of the greatest. I
- 0:59S5: would say skirmishes that were actually losing is in the
- 1:04S5: area of communication of the gospel. And I really mean this.
- 1:08S5: This is a big, big problem. You know, sometimes you
- 1:13S5: could hear us talk about something and you go, man,
- 1:15S5: you kind of been on that for a while. And,
- 1:17S5: you know, you've heard people that get on their soapbox
- 1:20S5: and that's their thing. But you got to ask a question.
- 1:23S5: Is the soapbox they're on? Is it valid? Is it warranted?
- 1:29S5: And so I've been on this massive now how many
- 1:34S5: years now, Jonathan, have we been talking about the illusion
- 1:37S5: of salvation and hallucination of salvation? How long has it
- 1:40S5: been going on?
- 1:40S3: Well, I started here in 2017 and we've been talking
- 1:45S3: about it since 2017. So that's almost ten years now
- 1:50S3: that that at least I can account for that.
- 1:52S5: We've been after this in differing kind of levels of
- 1:56S5: intensity in seasons where we back away. But if we're
- 2:01S5: going to talk about spiritual war, know this the God
- 2:06S5: of this age has blinded the minds of the unbelieving.
- 2:11S5: That's what we find to keep them from seeing the
- 2:17S5: light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who
- 2:21S5: is the image of God. Okay. So we are in
- 2:25S5: a spiritual war. I think all of us would understand that.
- 2:28S5: My goodness, if anyone's trying to keep us from the
- 2:31S5: arms of God, it would be Satan and his demonic forces, right?
- 2:34S5: I mean, that's no guess work there. So. I have
- 2:42S5: I have come to the point now in my life unapologetically,
- 2:47S5: where I really believe the greatest crisis facing the church
- 2:51S5: is not outside the walls of the church. It's not, uh,
- 2:55S5: Certainly not in the West. I shouldn't I should say
- 2:58S5: this in the West. It's not persecution. Uh, it is,
- 3:02S5: it is not the loss of religious liberty. That's not
- 3:07S5: even close to the greatest threat to the church. And
- 3:09S5: I mean this and you might say, Carl, come on.
- 3:11S5: Religious liberty. Now, the greatest threat to the Western Church,
- 3:17S5: and we've exported this as well, is that we have
- 3:22S5: given people false assurance. Many think they know Jesus and
- 3:31S5: they don't. And I don't know, it's kind of funny.
- 3:36S5: We were talking about this during share, but in the
- 3:39S5: first day of share, I wrote a book called The
- 3:42S5: Unstoppable Gospel From Powerless Belief to a true Faith That
- 3:47S5: Changes Everything. And I'm in a about a week and
- 3:50S5: a half, we're going to have a lot of fun
- 3:53S5: here because there's going to be an unstoppable gospel conference
- 3:57S5: that we are going to broadcast around even the nation.
- 4:00S5: So no matter where you are, you're going to be
- 4:01S5: able to take part. And one of the sessions I'm
- 4:04S5: going to have, I'm very keyed up about this is
- 4:06S5: a parenthetical thought. Seven Surprising Ways God Saves Those we love.
- 4:13S5: Because some of you are heart sick. Some of you
- 4:16S5: are well aware that people can be raised in church
- 4:20S5: and lift a hand in the air and not be
- 4:22S5: born again. Walk aisles, not be born again, be baptized,
- 4:26S5: not be born again, can serve and not be born again.
- 4:30S5: And we know this over and over again in Scripture.
- 4:32S5: It's it's the great cautionary tale. And the encouraging thing
- 4:36S5: is this. We don't have to be concerned about really
- 4:44S5: putting people on tilt with regard to assurance of salvation
- 4:50S5: if they are truly born again, because the Holy Spirit
- 4:53S5: agrees with our spirit that we are children of God.
- 4:56S5: And a little bump of the cup where everybody's. As
- 4:59S5: Paul says, examine yourself to see if you're in the faith. That's.
- 5:03S5: That's good. Jesus never tried to talk someone into something
- 5:09S5: that they were wondering if they had it or not.
- 5:11S5: Never did. So today, this topic of spiritual war is
- 5:18S5: that the God of this age has blinded the minds
- 5:20S5: of the unbelieving. And I think this is way more
- 5:26S5: systemic and way more of a crisis than we've imagined.
- 5:31S5: I had a friend who asked a I got a
- 5:35S5: friend that's been kind of a ministry partner for about
- 5:38S5: 20 years. He's in Northwest Arkansas, just a great brother
- 5:42S5: man just loves the Lord deeply. And he's good friends
- 5:45S5: with the lead pastor of a church that is very
- 5:48S5: large In northwest Arkansas. It's got several campuses, and he
- 5:54S5: just asked him one day that he was walking in
- 5:57S5: into one of the services, and they were in the lobby.
- 6:00S5: And this lead pastor wasn't preaching that day. One of
- 6:03S5: the other teaching pastors was, and he just says, hey,
- 6:07S5: what percentage of people that come here week in, week out?
- 6:12S5: What percentage of those people that are in there right now,
- 6:15S5: what percentage of those people really know the Lord personally?
- 6:20S5: And his response was, I'd be thrilled if it was 40%. Now, again,
- 6:28S5: I am not here. To freak anyone out, but I
- 6:34S5: am here to elevate the reality that the God of
- 6:39S5: this age has blinded the minds of the unbelieving.
- 6:42S3: I mean that what you just shared right there is
- 6:44S3: exactly why we don't get off the soapbox about this.
- 6:47S5: Yeah. That's right isn't it Jonathan.
- 6:49S3: Yeah. And I mean, this can be so jarring to hear.
- 6:55S3: It can take a while to come to terms with it.
- 6:58S3: I mean, we we've shared my testimony here multiple times
- 7:02S3: that I was, I was one in that number of
- 7:05S3: people who grew up in church and didn't have a
- 7:07S3: relationship with Jesus. And I didn't really want to hear
- 7:10S3: the message that I might not know Jesus. And so
- 7:13S3: I fought it for a few years, and it took
- 7:16S3: me years to be willing to accept the fact that
- 7:22S3: I didn't have a relationship with Jesus and that I
- 7:24S3: needed to surrender to him.
- 7:25S5: And, and it was more than willingness, right? The Spirit
- 7:28S5: of God had to cut through that fog.
- 7:31S3: Oh, I mean, he broke me. Yeah. He, he cut
- 7:33S3: through the fog so much to where I couldn't deny it.
- 7:35S3: And it was no longer, uh, it no longer felt
- 7:39S3: worth it to me to try and hide it. Uh,
- 7:42S3: because that was the thing is, you try to. What
- 7:45S3: are people gonna think? I don't know if I can
- 7:46S3: really admit that. So I'm just gonna try to keep
- 7:49S3: going with the status quo. That doesn't work. And God
- 7:52S3: convinced me that that didn't work. He broke me down
- 7:54S3: to where surrender was my only option, and I'm grateful
- 7:57S3: for that. I'm grateful that the soap box was never
- 8:00S3: gotten off of, because I might have convinced myself I
- 8:03S3: was okay if we got off of it. Yeah, yeah.
- 8:08S5: So it's a it's a really tough topic. Uh, but
- 8:12S5: there is something happening. We're going to have a man
- 8:15S5: in next week, a great man of God who's tackling
- 8:19S5: this very thing. And JD Greer over the weekend. I
- 8:24S5: don't know if you heard any of that message. My
- 8:27S5: bride came to me and said, bub, you won't believe it.
- 8:29S5: JD Greer is on the same thing and almost the
- 8:32S5: same words that I've just said. Can you be raised
- 8:34S5: in church? JD Greer, in a message, said, I was baptized,
- 8:37S5: but I was lost. Yeah. JD Greer and he went
- 8:42S5: on to say, we have so many people who go
- 8:46S5: to church who are not in Christ Jesus our Lord. Yeah. Now,
- 8:50S5: there's a lot of reasons behind that, and there's a
- 8:53S5: lot of issues going on. But at the end of
- 8:56S5: the day, there is a truth that can cut through
- 9:01S5: all of it. And this isn't Freedom Friday. This is Thursday.
- 9:08S5: But I'm going to give the gospel what you really
- 9:11S5: need to know that the gospel is, and even what
- 9:15S5: the gospel is not. That's coming up.
- 9:19S1: It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio talking war.
- 9:23S5: This week in second Corinthians chapter four, the apostle Paul
- 9:28S5: is talking about the veiled gospel. And he says, and
- 9:31S5: even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to
- 9:34S5: those who are perishing. In their case, the God lowercase
- 9:39S5: g of this world has blinded the minds of the
- 9:43S5: unbelievers to keep them from seeing the light of the
- 9:47S5: gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image
- 9:50S5: of God. Okay. One of the greatest battlefronts we have
- 9:55S5: is that the God of this age has blinded the
- 9:56S5: minds of the unbelievers. Now the instant thought is, of course, man,
- 10:00S5: these guys that are atheists and shaking a fist at
- 10:03S5: God and they're living like Gehenna. And I mean, it's
- 10:06S5: just no, this is where we need to be careful.
- 10:10S5: Maybe the greatest deception are those who are religiously active
- 10:16S5: but are spiritually dead. This is my contention in the
- 10:21S5: unstoppable gospel that it's not only impossible to disciple lost people.
- 10:26S5: Part of what we're up against in the Western church today,
- 10:29S5: and we have exported this around the world, even to Burundi,
- 10:32S5: is that we've created a style of invitation that doesn't
- 10:38S5: lead people to the living Jesus. It anesthetizes them to
- 10:44S5: the gospel, and they actually are more deceived than when
- 10:49S5: they first came to an event, a meeting, a service.
- 10:54S5: And it's incredibly dangerous. Can you be lost and be
- 10:58S5: religiously active? Yes. Matthew seven, Matthew 25. We find religious
- 11:04S5: activity in Matthew 25 when the trumpet sounds and the
- 11:08S5: Lord returns, five of the bridesmaids are ready to go.
- 11:11S5: Five are not. Five are filled with the Holy Spirit.
- 11:15S5: Five have lamps that are empty. They're all dressed up.
- 11:18S5: Only five are ready to go. That's a big deal
- 11:20S5: because all ten were waiting, supposedly expectantly, for their Savior
- 11:25S5: to come. Matthew seven I mean, we preached in Jesus name.
- 11:31S5: We cast out demons in his name. We did mighty
- 11:34S5: works in his name. And he's going to say, I
- 11:36S5: never knew you. Now Romans eight, I believe, verse 13 says,
- 11:41S5: and this is where we don't have to freak out
- 11:43S5: about this. God's Spirit, Holy spirit will agree with our
- 11:47S5: spirit that we are children of God. This is the
- 11:51S5: role of the Holy Spirit, one of the many. So
- 11:56S5: is it. Is it malpractice for us to come back
- 12:00S5: here and really push hard on this? No, no. This
- 12:03S5: is biblically responsible because we find in Corinthians, Paul saw
- 12:08S5: some things going on in the church of Corinth. He says,
- 12:10S5: examine yourself to see if you are even in the faith.
- 12:14S5: And that's repeated over and over again in Scripture. So
- 12:18S5: the question is, what are the Gospels that we sometimes give?
- 12:22S5: And as I map out in my book, The Unstoppable Gospel,
- 12:26S5: they would be called another gospel. The way we present
- 12:30S5: Jesus is another gospel. And the Apostle Paul in Galatians
- 12:34S5: one says, if anyone comes to you with another gospel,
- 12:36S5: even an angel. Let them be accursed. So it's a
- 12:43S5: big deal. And I think the God of this age
- 12:46S5: has blinded the church from seeing it. And now a
- 12:50S5: lot of people are talking about it. If you're just
- 12:52S5: tuning in, JD Greer was on this here just this
- 12:55S5: last week, tackling the very same thing that I've just hit.
- 12:59S5: He himself was raised in church, baptized, but he was
- 13:03S5: still lost. I was baptized and lost. Ali was in
- 13:06S5: church but didn't know Jesus for many years. Young thunder,
- 13:10S5: that's your story, right my man?
- 13:11S3: Yep. Up until the age of 23.
- 13:14S5: So it's a if there is a spiritual war that
- 13:18S5: is really hurting the church, it is the fact that
- 13:22S5: the greatest battlefield that we have is inside the church.
- 13:28S5: Greatest threat is not persecution or religious freedom from the outside,
- 13:32S5: not in the West. It is a lostness in a
- 13:38S5: cultural Christianity that inhabits a lot of people inside the church.
- 13:42S5: Before I give you the gospel, let me give you
- 13:45S5: some other gospels that are no gospel at all. Let
- 13:49S5: me give you just a few. Ask Jesus into your heart.
- 13:51S5: Jesus never instructs this ever. And it's nowhere found in
- 13:55S5: the New Testament. Many have essentially invited Jesus guys to
- 13:59S5: cohabitate with other gods of the age except Jesus. A
- 14:06S5: lot of people have accepted Jesus, but only those who
- 14:08S5: receive him are called children of God. We accept a
- 14:13S5: lot of things in life without surrendering to them and
- 14:16S5: embracing them. And the same can happen with God. Make
- 14:21S5: Jesus your personal Savior. Okay, aside from the reality that
- 14:26S5: we cannot make salvation happen, Jesus can only be Savior
- 14:30S5: where he is first Lord of every square inch of
- 14:34S5: who we are and what we become. Walk the aisle
- 14:41S5: and come forward. Can God save someone in that moment? Yeah.
- 14:47S5: But many have stepped out in an emotional moment. That's
- 14:50S5: from the second soil in the five soils illustration that
- 14:54S5: Jesus gives. Many have stepped out in an emotional moment,
- 14:59S5: but have yet to follow Jesus Christ. Pressure to move
- 15:04S5: physically can lead us to a false eternal security. If
- 15:08S5: not fully explain what they are walking and who they
- 15:13S5: are following. What kind of a road and who is
- 15:18S5: leading them. Okay, so what is the gospel? The gospel
- 15:27S5: is the gospel of repentance. The God of this age
- 15:30S5: has blinded people into thinking they possess something they don't possess.
- 15:37S5: But when you're born again, the Holy Spirit will agree
- 15:40S5: with your spirit that your children of God. How do
- 15:43S5: you become a child of God? How do you become
- 15:47S5: born again? First, it's not your decision. The Holy Spirit
- 15:52S5: miraculously reaches into our heart and begins to say, you
- 15:58S5: are a sinner who needs a Savior. The reason Jesus
- 16:02S5: came was not to make you better. It was to
- 16:06S5: save you from you completely. When Jesus sent his disciples out,
- 16:15S5: he described it in Mark one thing it's the gospel
- 16:19S5: of repentance. It's metanoia. It means to leave the broad path, turn,
- 16:27S5: follow Jesus, leave every substitute God on that broad path. Turn.
- 16:33S5: Change your mind. Change your heart. Change your direction. Everything
- 16:38S5: about you changes. Repentance means saying no to my dreams,
- 16:48S5: my aspirations. Where I found my security. Where I found
- 16:53S5: my satisfaction. Everything that I was attempting to find life
- 17:03S5: in is set down. I turn and follow Jesus. Meaning this.
- 17:08S5: Every square inch of who you are is given to God.
- 17:18S5: The God of this age has blinded the minds of
- 17:19S5: the unbelieving. So I'm going to hit this quickly. There
- 17:25S5: are four soils spoken of that represent the hearts of
- 17:28S5: people by Jesus. Some are hard soil. I think we've
- 17:34S5: unknowingly put that soil as the only category that does
- 17:39S5: not know Jesus. They hear the word. It will not penetrate.
- 17:45S5: The heart bounces onto the path. Satan comes along, snatches
- 17:49S5: it up, lest it grow some kind of strength in there,
- 17:52S5: and really goes down to the bottom of the heart.
- 17:56S5: The second shallow soil receive it with joy. Amen. And
- 17:59S5: they go up and boom! There can be an emotional
- 18:02S5: moment or season. Here's the danger. With that, we look
- 18:06S5: back at that and we say, oh, my son or
- 18:11S5: daughter or myself had an emotional season here 20 years ago.
- 18:15S5: Jesus said it is probable that people have emotional moments
- 18:20S5: or seasons. It's like I'm all in with Jesus. But
- 18:27S5: not be born again. A little bit of persecution. Hardship
- 18:30S5: comes in the. The quality of their heart and whether
- 18:36S5: it was changed is proven to not have been a
- 18:39S5: full surrender to Jesus because they do not continue to
- 18:43S5: follow him. The most dangerous one is the third soil type.
- 18:50S5: The worries of this world, the deceitfulness of wealth and
- 18:53S5: the desire for other things come in and choke it,
- 18:55S5: making it unfruitful. And you might say, well, I, you know,
- 19:00S5: I was born again. I, I, I prayed a prayer,
- 19:02S5: I walked denial, I was even baptized. But friend, when
- 19:08S5: the worries of this world, the deceitfulness of wealth and
- 19:11S5: the desire for other things have never been rendered impotent
- 19:15S5: at the foot of the cross. You're basically. In word
- 19:25S5: or in thought, holding on to Jesus. But really, you've
- 19:29S5: just got a whole bunch of other substitute gods really
- 19:32S5: tucked into your heart that's still taking the high ground.
- 19:39S5: I want to be so clear with this today. When
- 19:44S5: you look into the mirror of your soul and say,
- 19:47S5: I'm the problem, I'm a sinner. There is nothing good
- 19:52S5: in me. I am separated from God. And Jesus laid
- 19:59S5: down his life as I entrust myself to him fully.
- 20:04S5: The word believe has been so diluted and even the
- 20:06S5: demons believe. I'm talking about a belief that puts all
- 20:10S5: that you are into Jesus. Only then can you be
- 20:16S5: born again. This is why the rich young ruler walked
- 20:20S5: away disappointed. He said, I do this, I do this,
- 20:22S5: I do this, I do this, I do this. And
- 20:26S5: he said, well, I'll tell you what. I got one
- 20:27S5: more thing. Jesus said, if you take all that you've
- 20:29S5: gained and you give it away and give it to
- 20:32S5: the poor. And the man said nothing. He walked away
- 20:40S5: disappointed because he was a man with wealth. And so translated,
- 20:49S5: it just simply means that until we come to the
- 20:52S5: point in time where all that we've gained in this
- 20:55S5: world is laid at the foot of Jesus, is Jesus
- 20:59S5: going to take your 401 k? I doubt it, but
- 21:04S5: if he asked for it, would you give it to him?
- 21:10S5: And if it's too much and you're too disappointed, how
- 21:14S5: about the status or the position that you have? Or
- 21:17S5: maybe even the pride of having been raised in church?
- 21:21S5: Keeps you from breaking and surrendering to Jesus. How dangerous
- 21:24S5: would that be? There's no prayer to pray. But as
- 21:28S5: you look into the heart of your soul right now,
- 21:30S5: and some of you got some bad information in the past,
- 21:35S5: but as you look into the heart of your soul.
- 21:37S5: I'm simply asking you right now, is today the day
- 21:41S5: when you surrender all that you are to Jesus? Every
- 21:45S5: bit of it. And you're holding nothing back. More than
- 21:51S5: an emotional moment, it's a rending of my heart has
- 21:55S5: never been fully surrendered to Jesus Christ. And you're probably
- 22:02S5: in a place like Jesus described in the sermon on
- 22:04S5: the Mount. Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs
- 22:06S5: is the kingdom of heaven. When you get to the
- 22:09S5: point of spiritual bankruptcy and you know you have nothing,
- 22:13S5: you are strategically positioned to save your soul. And if
- 22:19S5: this is you today, you are come. You have come
- 22:21S5: to the point where you say, I'm a sinner, I
- 22:24S5: need a savior. I'm laying everything down. Dreams, aspirations. Jesus.
- 22:31S5: I'm bringing nothing with me but a whole heart for you.
- 22:37S5: And open, empty hands. I give you my life completely.
- 22:43S5: You know what you'll do. Romans ten nine and ten
- 22:46S5: you will confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord, meaning
- 22:50S5: he is the highest authority in your life and believe
- 22:54S5: in your heart that God raised him from the dead.
- 22:57S5: I'm going to go a little longer here, young Thunder.
- 23:00S3: Go for it.
- 23:04S5: This is war. The God of this age has blinded
- 23:08S5: the minds of the unbelieving. And some times the reason
- 23:12S5: that you've been blinded is that you got some bad information.
- 23:18S5: And you've wondered why is the abundant life elusive for me?
- 23:23S5: Why is it that my life does not embody the
- 23:26S5: fruit of the spirit? Why is there no hunger for
- 23:28S5: the Word of God? Yes, you can get down the
- 23:30S5: path even in authentic relationship with Jesus, and get a
- 23:33S5: time when you're not hungry for the word. But I'll
- 23:36S5: tell you this the Holy Spirit's working on you and
- 23:39S5: you're asking the question, why is this I need this.
- 23:42S5: But if there's been no surrender of everything, there's not
- 23:47S5: even an appetite for the Word of God like that.
- 23:51S5: My sheep hear my voice and they follow me. I'm
- 23:55S5: asking you to be a sheep in the hands of God.
- 24:01S5: He says, come to me, all who are weary and
- 24:03S5: heavy laden. I'll give you rest. It's war, man. And
- 24:11S5: I'm praying that Jesus is cutting through by the power
- 24:15S5: of the Holy Spirit with the message of the gospel today,
- 24:20S5: the gospel changes everything. But you got to give everything
- 24:24S5: you are to Jesus today, holding nothing back. If this
- 24:32S5: is you, but count the cost. But if this is you,
- 24:37S5: and the Holy Spirit is hitting you, and I mean
- 24:41S5: there is something happening that is so transformative. And with
- 24:47S5: a clear conscience and a clear mind, you are saying,
- 24:51S5: I know who I am. I'm a sinner who needs
- 24:53S5: a Savior. And today I repent and surrender all that
- 24:55S5: I am to Jesus. I want you to text the
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- 25:45S5: but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.
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- 26:25S5: So in second Corinthians four, verse four, we find that
- 26:29S5: the God of this age has blinded the minds of
- 26:32S5: the unbelieving. Now, he would commonly look at a text
- 26:35S5: like that and say, yeah, those guys bellied up to
- 26:37S5: the bar at happy hour. Those, those guys that are
- 26:40S5: staunchly atheist or agnostic or antagonistic toward Jesus, of course.
- 26:46S5: And their minds are blinded. But what if the biggest
- 26:51S5: blinding was inside the walls of the church? What if
- 26:55S5: the biggest mission field was sitting beside us every Sunday morning?
- 27:02S5: Tim Mulgrew believes that in a big way. Tim, I'm
- 27:05S5: not overstating it for your appetite, am I, my man?
- 27:09S6: No way. My my book. I start off with Matthew
- 27:13S6: seven where Jesus says, depart from me. I never knew
- 27:16S6: you and go to explain. He says that not to
- 27:19S6: the people that are bellying up to the bar who
- 27:21S6: don't believe. He's saying that to people who think they
- 27:25S6: are believers.
- 27:27S2: Tim. So let's unpack this a little bit, because this
- 27:29S2: is something we talk a lot about on this show,
- 27:32S2: and I'm really interested to hear your perspective on this.
- 27:36S2: Let's start with Matthew seven. Break that down a little bit.
- 27:38S2: And this is one of the most unsettling passages in Scripture.
- 27:43S2: Anybody who reads it and doesn't have at least a
- 27:46S2: thought of going, wait a second, am I going to
- 27:49S2: be one of those ones? Probably hasn't read it. I mean,
- 27:54S2: because it's unsettling.
- 27:55S6: It is. You know, our human nature doesn't like things
- 27:58S6: like that. So we're very quick to say, oh, well,
- 28:01S6: that passage doesn't apply to me. That applies to, you know,
- 28:05S6: other people who don't believe. But the passage is very clear,
- 28:09S6: because the audience that Jesus says it to says, but Lord,
- 28:14S6: didn't we prophesy in your name? Translate that to current time.
- 28:18S6: Didn't we go to church every Sunday? Didn't we tithe?
- 28:21S6: Didn't we feed the poor? Didn't we follow all the rules?
- 28:25S6: And Jesus, of course, says, I have no idea who
- 28:27S6: you are. We don't have a relationship. Why should I
- 28:30S6: let you in my house if we don't have a relationship?
- 28:33S6: And so we have to be ready and prepared to
- 28:37S6: always examine ourselves, always examine our Christianity. And if we
- 28:44S6: are truly Christians and believe that's true, we shouldn't be
- 28:48S6: afraid to examine it. Because I'll tell you what, I'd
- 28:51S6: much rather deal with that now than to hear those
- 28:55S6: words from Jesus when it's too late to do something
- 28:58S6: about it.
- 28:59S5: Yeah. Great word. Tim Mulgrew, our guest right now, author
- 29:02S5: of Christian A Contract with God Understanding the terms of
- 29:06S5: true salvation. It's a sobering thing, and I'm so glad
- 29:11S5: that you're writing on this. And there's a significant uptick
- 29:16S5: in the last six months of people championing this. But
- 29:21S5: I was sobered up just recently. I've got a dear
- 29:23S5: friend who is close friends with the lead pastor of
- 29:26S5: a church of many, many thousands, five campuses, many, many thousands.
- 29:30S5: I forget the exact number, but I want to say
- 29:33S5: it's well over 12,000 approaching maybe 18 or something. And
- 29:37S5: this lead pastor, good man of God, Bible preacher man
- 29:42S5: loves the Lord. So my friend asked him a question
- 29:45S5: standing in the lobby wasn't preaching that Sunday music's playing.
- 29:48S5: He says, hey, let me ask you a question of
- 29:50S5: this lead pastor. You know, my friend, he's been talking
- 29:53S5: a lot about this big mission field inside the church here.
- 29:58S5: He said if you were to do an honest estimate,
- 30:02S5: how many people are truly born again. What would you
- 30:06S5: say this pastor Tim looked at him and he said,
- 30:09S5: I would be happy if 40% of the people that
- 30:13S5: are here every weekend really knew Jesus personally.
- 30:17S6: Sadly, that's a pretty big number.
- 30:19S5: So you think that's a reach?
- 30:21S6: Absolutely. I think that we have simplified Christianity so much.
- 30:28S6: I attribute a lot of it to, you know, the
- 30:31S6: gospel tracks that we used to crank out by the
- 30:33S6: bazillions in the 70s and the 80s. Uh, that simplified
- 30:37S6: the message of salvation down and then ends, you know,
- 30:41S6: with the sinner's prayer says, all you got to do
- 30:43S6: is say this like you mean it, and all will
- 30:46S6: be well. And, you know, that would be great if
- 30:49S6: it were a seed. And people then went to church
- 30:52S6: and then they were discipled. But the church has become
- 30:55S6: all only about salvation, not about restoration and a relationship
- 31:01S6: with God, which is the true gospel message. So basically
- 31:04S6: what we have is a bunch of what I call
- 31:07S6: easy chair Christians, people who don't take up their cross
- 31:11S6: daily and follow because we don't like the sound of that.
- 31:15S6: These are people who truly believe that they've done the,
- 31:19S6: you know, the magic incantation, if you will, of saying
- 31:23S6: the sinner's prayer, which actually isn't even in Scripture. There
- 31:27S6: is no such thing as a sinner in Scripture. So
- 31:30S6: where did this come from? And yet we've all been
- 31:33S6: led to believe I was one of them. In my
- 31:35S6: own testimony I write about in my book, I talk
- 31:38S6: about being born again twice, once the church way and
- 31:41S6: once the biblical way. Uh, and many, many people, their
- 31:45S6: testimony is so weak about, you know, their experience with God. And,
- 31:52S6: you know, the most significant event to ever occur in
- 31:55S6: the world is the resurrection of Jesus Christ. The most
- 32:00S6: significant event that should occur in your life is being
- 32:04S6: born again. And yet people's testimony about their own experience.
- 32:09S6: It's just not there. It's not there. And more and
- 32:12S6: more people, you know, I've been teaching Bible for many,
- 32:15S6: many years, and I've written quite a few books about this.
- 32:18S6: But you see people, they have a, an academic Sunday
- 32:23S6: school understanding of the Bible, but it ends there. They
- 32:27S6: don't have a relationship with the Bible. They don't have
- 32:30S6: a relationship with God. You can hear it in their
- 32:32S6: prayers or just these rote words that you know are
- 32:35S6: Bible words. We've learned to say the Bible words and
- 32:39S6: hope that somehow there's magic in that. That's simply not
- 32:43S6: what the Bible says is the definition of a Christian,
- 32:47S6: a child of God. The road is very narrow. Very
- 32:51S6: few find it even in the church.
- 32:54S2: So let's talk about this definition and then what you
- 32:57S2: describe as a contract. That language may be new to some.
- 33:02S2: We've heard about a covenant, but what you're talking about
- 33:04S2: a contract. So describe that a little bit more.
- 33:08S6: I use the term contract. And I do explain that
- 33:11S6: in the upfront what the intended meaning is. But I
- 33:15S6: want to use contemporary language because you have to understand,
- 33:18S6: you don't just sit around waiting for God to do
- 33:21S6: something in your life. God gave us free will, and
- 33:25S6: this contract of being a Christian requires us to exercise
- 33:29S6: our free will in the implementation, if you will, of
- 33:34S6: these four ingredients that Paul talks about in Romans, that
- 33:37S6: if you really want to have what you need to
- 33:40S6: have to have a relationship with God, these four things
- 33:45S6: must occur. They are what the Bible calls the wedding clothes.
- 33:49S6: I've just used the term ingredients and contract because it's
- 33:52S6: something that we can identify with a whole lot easier
- 33:55S6: in our modern culture. So the church all understands and
- 34:00S6: Christians all understand. Ingredient number one is salvation, right? Now,
- 34:05S6: the problem is, is that most people stop there. We
- 34:08S6: say all you need is salvation. You just need to
- 34:11S6: repeat the sinner's prayer and mean it. And so people,
- 34:14S6: they get saved, they get baptized, they join the church
- 34:18S6: and they do all the right things. They follow all
- 34:21S6: the rules. Which is interesting because we're taught over and
- 34:24S6: over again that works has nothing to do with salvation.
- 34:27S6: But of course, we're doing all of these things right.
- 34:31S6: So we're just not getting it. But you see in Genesis,
- 34:34S6: God talks about how he walked in the cool of
- 34:37S6: the morning with Adam and Eve. They had a relationship.
- 34:40S6: They hung out together. They named the animals. They. Can
- 34:43S6: you imagine talking with God every single day? And this
- 34:47S6: didn't just happen once or twice. This was a way
- 34:50S6: of life for a long period of time. Until sin
- 34:52S6: enters the world. Then God has to separate himself because
- 34:56S6: he can't be in the presence of sin. So the
- 34:59S6: gospel message really is about how God goes about fixing
- 35:03S6: this problem. He's not going to eliminate sin because that
- 35:07S6: would eliminate our free will. And our free will is
- 35:10S6: in fact, the greatest gift God gives us. So the
- 35:14S6: contract is really about how you exercise your free will.
- 35:19S6: God needs to be able to work in your life
- 35:23S6: to fulfill the additional ingredients. But basically that's what we
- 35:29S6: need in order to be able to be or have
- 35:32S6: God in our presence in order to have a relationship
- 35:35S6: with him. Yes, we have to have our sins covered
- 35:38S6: up and eliminated. So that's the next process. If you
- 35:43S6: stop at salvation and you don't talk about justification and
- 35:47S6: sanctification and move through the list, then you don't have
- 35:51S6: what you need to have a relationship with God, and
- 35:54S6: therefore you don't have what I call the golden ticket
- 35:57S6: to heaven, your prime, to hear. Depart from me. I
- 36:01S6: never knew you because you don't have the ability to
- 36:04S6: have a relationship with God. And I'm not talking about
- 36:08S6: knowing God, but that's what we do. So we're not
- 36:11S6: really taking what is necessary to have a close personal
- 36:16S6: relationship with God. And so why would we expect to
- 36:19S6: be invited into his house?
- 36:20S5: Yeah, yeah. It's a real deception in the church today.
- 36:24S5: Tim Mulgrew, our guest right now. And we're going to
- 36:26S5: give you a link to a resource here in a moment.
- 36:28S5: You know, I want you to comment on the parable
- 36:30S5: of the soils, because what I found here is that
- 36:32S5: a lot of us look at the hard response and
- 36:35S5: we say, that's the one guy that, yeah, here's the word,
- 36:38S5: doesn't have room for it in his heart. But then
- 36:41S5: we actually codify a form of Christianity that Jesus never
- 36:46S5: codifies himself. We look at the seed planted in shallow
- 36:49S5: soil and we say, oh, that's a person that started
- 36:52S5: up there really in Christ, but a little bit of persecution,
- 36:55S5: hardship comes. So they just got to get back on
- 36:57S5: track with Christ. Jesus says they were never in them.
- 36:59S5: It was an emotional experience, but they were never in them.
- 37:02S5: The scariest one to me is the third soil, the
- 37:04S5: worries of this world, the deceitfulness of wealth and the
- 37:06S5: desire for other things. And I think what we've done
- 37:09S5: in American Christianity is we have proposed a Christianity where
- 37:13S5: you can embrace Jesus with one hand, but keep the
- 37:16S5: worries of this world, the deceitfulness of wealth and those
- 37:19S5: fleshly desires kind of cradled in your other arm and
- 37:23S5: kind of la de da, here we go. But Jesus
- 37:26S5: was clear there's only one soil type that captures a
- 37:30S5: relationship with Jesus, and it will have a fruitful effect.
- 37:33S5: Not perfect. No one said that Tim isn't perfect. I'm not.
- 37:37S5: Allie isn't. We aren't. I think we've twisted scripture to
- 37:42S5: fit an anemic Christianity which isn't biblical Christianity. What do
- 37:47S5: you think, Tim?
- 37:49S6: What we're looking to do as humans. Our human nature
- 37:52S6: is to follow the path of least resistance, right? Yes.
- 37:56S6: And so what we tend to do is add Christianity
- 38:00S6: to our lives and subtract off the noticeable bad things.
- 38:05S6: And so we come out as the new, improved version
- 38:09S6: of ourselves. But Scripture tells us you must be born again.
- 38:15S6: It doesn't say, hey, I have a really good idea.
- 38:17S6: Why don't you try this born again thing and see
- 38:19S6: if it works for you? No, it says you must.
- 38:22S6: So what does it mean to be born again? You're
- 38:24S6: a new creature. The old you is dead and gone.
- 38:29S6: There is no new and improved. You are either made
- 38:32S6: up of all the ingredients that are what a Christian
- 38:36S6: is or you're not. And you're just covering yourself with
- 38:40S6: these ingredients. And so Jesus talks about the soils. Now,
- 38:45S6: in my own experience, I talk about because I was
- 38:47S6: one of those guys that, you know, the seed fell
- 38:50S6: on the rocky soil, I sprung up, I was all
- 38:53S6: things church, I went to church every time the doors
- 38:56S6: were open. But I'll tell you what, when things of
- 38:59S6: the world came up and things started to get difficult. Oh,
- 39:02S6: and by the way, people in the church mistreated me.
- 39:06S6: I fell away and I went and entered into a
- 39:10S6: life where I called myself a Christian. But I didn't
- 39:13S6: live like a Christian, uh, until God kicked me in
- 39:16S6: the head enough times. And that's when I was born again.
- 39:19S6: For real this time.
- 39:20S5: Yeah, the first time.
- 39:21S6: But you talk about the soil now. Jesus talks about
- 39:25S6: how we can see whether or not we truly are
- 39:29S6: a Christian. He talks about, you know, a good tree
- 39:33S6: bears good fruit. A bad tree bears bad fruit. We
- 39:36S6: love that statement. And the reason why is because we
- 39:39S6: look at the fruit, right? We say, oh yeah, look
- 39:41S6: at me. I've got all these good pieces of fruit hanging.
- 39:44S6: I do this good, I do that good, I do this. Well,
- 39:47S6: pretty much anybody, whether it's a Christian or not, can
- 39:50S6: pick out some good things they've done in life and
- 39:53S6: hang it on a tree and say, look, it's a
- 39:55S6: good fruit. But that's not what Jesus says. Jesus is
- 39:58S6: talking about the tree, not the fruit. The tree itself.
- 40:03S6: The one that is deep rooted. Yes, well fed, well watered,
- 40:08S6: taken care of. It will produce good fruit. So we
- 40:13S6: don't need to be looking at the fruit. We need
- 40:15S6: to be looking at the tree. And the tree comes
- 40:18S6: from that soil that you're talking about. There's one good
- 40:21S6: soil and three other bad ones. And there's one good
- 40:25S6: tree and that's the one that grows from that soil.
- 40:28S6: And what he's talking about is, is that Christianity isn't
- 40:32S6: just something you decide you want to do because it
- 40:35S6: fits what you think. Christianity is who you are and
- 40:40S6: what you are, not what you think or what you believe.
- 40:45S6: You either are. Every cell in your body a Christian. Which,
- 40:50S6: by the way, is the original definition of the word believe.
- 40:54S6: We've been led into this whole world of Disney belief where,
- 40:58S6: you know, if I just think hard enough and I
- 41:00S6: do enough good things, that all will be well and
- 41:03S6: we'll all live happily ever after. But believe was a
- 41:06S6: word that was very infrequently used by writers in those times,
- 41:10S6: because it was such an enormous concept that every cell
- 41:15S6: of your body was attached to this thing that you
- 41:19S6: believe in. And that, by the way, is also the
- 41:22S6: definition of baptism. It is detaching yourself from the atom
- 41:27S6: nature and attaching yourself with the Jesus nature. So it's
- 41:31S6: all very consistent with Scripture. But if we don't talk
- 41:34S6: about it, then it doesn't exist.
- 41:37S2: Well, there's a lot more that we could get into,
- 41:39S2: but for the sake of time, I want to just
- 41:41S2: point you to the resource. It's called Christian, A contract
- 41:44S2: with God. Understanding the Terms of true salvation. The author,
- 41:48S2: Tim Mulgrew. Just text Tim to 805 557898 T I'm
- 41:54S2: Tim to 805 557898.
- 41:59S1: Your shot of hope to help you through the day.
- 42:02S1: This is Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
- 42:05S5: This whole week we're tackling the reality of spiritual war.
- 42:09S5: You don't have to look any further than Ephesians six.
- 42:12S5: It seems to be one of the most expansive teachings
- 42:16S5: in the New Testament on spiritual warfare. We battle not
- 42:20S5: against flesh and blood, but against rulers, against the authorities,
- 42:26S5: against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the
- 42:31S5: spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. Four different
- 42:35S5: Greek words to describe this war. It's immense, isn't it, guys?
- 42:39S3: It is immense. And that means that we should pay
- 42:42S3: attention to it. Because if it's talked about like this
- 42:46S3: in Scripture, then we need to be aware and prepared,
- 42:51S3: and Satan would want nothing more than for us to
- 42:55S3: kind of shrug it off and not be worried about
- 42:56S3: it at all.
- 42:57S5: Or.
- 42:57S4: Shrink back.
- 42:58S5: Yeah.
- 42:59S4: You know.
- 42:59S5: Yeah. And in fear, but we, we see a call
- 43:03S5: then to put on the full armor of God. But
- 43:05S5: here's the intriguing thing in verse 18, praying at all
- 43:08S5: times in the spirit with all prayer and supplication. That
- 43:14S5: is not a throw away. Praying for all the saints
- 43:19S5: at all times. Doctor Thrasher is with us right now.
- 43:24S5: My goodness, friend, we're in a war. But prayer is
- 43:27S5: central to this victory, isn't it?
- 43:30S7: It certainly is. The often quoted, at least for many,
- 43:33S7: are familiar with the Corrie ten boom that the devil
- 43:36S7: smiles when we make plans, laughs when we get too busy,
- 43:41S7: but trembles when we pray, especially when we pray together.
- 43:45S7: It is great warfare against prayer, and I think all
- 43:47S7: you have to say is, look, we've got problems that
- 43:50S7: man can't solve and that we're not crying out to
- 43:53S7: him to do something. And I think the most fundamental
- 43:57S7: attack of the devil is he tries to lie about
- 44:00S7: the character of God. Does he care? Is he available?
- 44:04S7: Is he powerful enough to do something? Is his way good?
- 44:08S7: I mean, is God's will really everything we would desire
- 44:12S7: if we knew all the facts? So the fact we're
- 44:14S7: not calling upon him shows that by our delusion, of course,
- 44:17S7: the belt of truth is the first thing he's going
- 44:19S7: to say. We're deceived. He works in the area of deceit.
- 44:22S5: Yes.
- 44:22S7: Well, you see great, great spiritual battle against the spirit
- 44:25S7: of prayer.
- 44:26S5: What is praying in the spirit? You must have studied
- 44:31S5: this out. And there's a lot of discussion around that.
- 44:33S5: But it's praying in capital S the spirit. So it's
- 44:37S5: praying in the power of the Holy Spirit. But how
- 44:39S5: do you understand that best?
- 44:41S7: God used that to awaken my own prayer life. Because
- 44:44S7: of what you hear about prayer, you generally is. It's
- 44:46S7: very important and you need to discipline yourself to do it.
- 44:49S7: And those are absolutely true. And unless you buy into those,
- 44:52S7: everything else is theoretical. But I need, just as I'm
- 44:56S7: to walk by the spirit, every area, every step I
- 44:59S7: take is dependent upon him. Also, prayer is not just
- 45:03S7: a human activity. I need the spirit to motivate my prayer,
- 45:07S7: to guide my prayer, and to empower my prayer. So
- 45:11S7: I'm not in this just by myself. And I think
- 45:13S7: that's why God has given us, even in this great
- 45:15S7: book of Ephesians. You know, I think one of the
- 45:18S7: most powerful warfare prayers is in that first chapter, 15
- 45:21S7: to 23, when he says, God, he would open our
- 45:24S7: eyes that the eyes of our heart would be enlightened,
- 45:27S7: that he would give you that spirit, that disposition of
- 45:29S7: wisdom and revelation, that we could know him. And of course,
- 45:33S7: he always starts with Thanksgiving. That's part of opening our
- 45:36S7: eyes and. And the Spirit of God is going to
- 45:38S7: lead you. That's part of the work of the Spirit
- 45:40S7: of God. He empowers you to what? To thank him.
- 45:42S7: And he'll say in Ephesians five when he talks about
- 45:44S7: the results of the spirit, I mean, the fact that
- 45:47S7: I have any breath in my body is the grace
- 45:49S7: of God. The fact that I'm not in hell is
- 45:51S7: the grace of God. That's a great place to start
- 45:53S7: in prayer.
- 45:54S5: Yeah.
- 45:55S7: Everything I have, other than judgment is due to the
- 45:58S7: grace of God. The prayer that he gives us there.
- 46:01S7: The devil throws fiery darts of despair at us when
- 46:05S7: we don't can't figure something out. And he says, I
- 46:07S7: pray that you would know the hope. That's not just.
- 46:10S7: That's a precious word, a hope. Abraham. It says he
- 46:13S7: in hope against hope. He believed there was no hope.
- 46:16S7: He had hope. Why? Because God strengthened his faith. And
- 46:21S7: I pray that people all over Chicago, all over this land,
- 46:24S7: all over this world, that we would depend upon him.
- 46:27S7: That's part of being strong in the Lord and the
- 46:29S7: strength of his might. Same Greek word that's used there
- 46:31S7: is used in Romans four that God strengthened Abraham to believe.
- 46:37S7: And I love that. Romans four, it says he strengthened
- 46:39S7: him to believe, giving glory to God. You know, that's
- 46:42S7: all I need to know. And I don't remember many dates,
- 46:44S7: but I remember this one. February 20th, 1984. I was
- 46:47S7: walking to the train just meditating on this verse, and
- 46:50S7: I said, God, that's all I need to know. If
- 46:52S7: growing strong in faith glorifies you, will God take me?
- 46:56S7: A man of fear, a man of weakness, and make
- 46:59S7: me into a man of faith so that we can
- 47:01S7: pray hope into people's lives is an incredible encouragement, and
- 47:05S7: I prayed that would happen today in our life, in
- 47:08S7: each of our lives.
- 47:09S5: For a lot of people listening dock, the power of
- 47:13S5: the spirit has been a lost God, mainly because I
- 47:16S5: think we've veered away from the power of the spirit
- 47:20S5: because there were definitely abuses of the spirit. There were
- 47:24S5: people that leveraged spiritual insights and Holy Spirit power for
- 47:30S5: their own ends. So we get all that. But there's
- 47:33S5: been a reclaiming of the power of the spirit in
- 47:36S5: the evangelical world, and I'm so encouraged by that. When
- 47:40S5: we when we understand from John 14, John 16, Romans eight,
- 47:45S5: and even here in Ephesians six, when we understand the
- 47:49S5: power of the spirit to guide and direct our prayers,
- 47:52S5: as you were just saying a moment ago, there's a
- 47:55S5: game changer there. I think people need to be clear
- 47:58S5: that the Spirit of God is going to remind us
- 48:01S5: of truth. The Holy Spirit's going to comfort us. The
- 48:03S5: Holy Spirit's going to direct us and guide us. It's
- 48:07S5: it's how the church move forward in the book of acts.
- 48:11S5: How do we reclaim that some need to come out
- 48:14S5: of this real cerebral kind of information exchange and begin
- 48:19S5: to listen to the voice of God with confidence? Right, Bill.
- 48:24S7: Amen. And I think, you know, in my own life,
- 48:26S7: it's something I think I have to continually rediscover. I mean,
- 48:30S7: I am here talking to you today. Humanly speaking, because
- 48:33S7: it goes back there in 1972, wandering into the room
- 48:37S7: of a fraternity brother. And I was a believer, a
- 48:40S7: very defeated believer. And he began sharing with me that
- 48:44S7: little blue booklet that crew uses. Maybe they still use.
- 48:46S7: Have you made the wonderful discovery of the spirit filled life?
- 48:49S7: I hung on every word I. I said, God, there's
- 48:52S7: a I. I didn't say anything verbally, but I said, Lord,
- 48:55S7: there's a resource I don't know anything about. I went
- 48:57S7: to the denominational church and we recited the Apostles Creed
- 48:59S7: every Sunday morning. I believed in the Holy Ghost. That's
- 49:02S7: the extent that I knew about it. But quite frankly,
- 49:04S7: I think there was an area that a person could
- 49:06S7: go in a good Bible believing church, and there was
- 49:08S7: not practical understanding and experience of the spirit filled life.
- 49:12S7: I think if a person, if the devil can't keep
- 49:15S7: a person getting saved, he blinds us from understanding this
- 49:18S7: truth because our lives are simply no threat to his
- 49:21S7: kingdom unaided by the Holy Spirit, no matter what gift
- 49:24S7: you have. But God can take feeble words just any
- 49:28S7: kind of ability yielded to the Spirit of God. Our
- 49:31S7: whole body can become weapons of righteousness, and so that's
- 49:35S7: the hope of the Spirit of God. He can take
- 49:38S7: feeble words and lodge them into people's hearts and change lives.
- 49:41S5: Uh, doctor Bill Thrasher is our guest right now. Uh,
- 49:44S5: the how does this work for you on a day
- 49:47S5: to day basis? Uh, you're going throughout your day. You
- 49:51S5: obviously listen to the spirit. Give us a scenario that
- 49:55S5: plays itself out so that people can see how accessible
- 49:59S5: the Holy Spirit longs to be in our life.
- 50:03S7: You know, I often tell the story of the idea
- 50:05S7: of the church that was trying to figure out who
- 50:07S7: are we going to get to speak? And when one
- 50:09S7: person said, well, let's get D.L. Moody, and a person
- 50:12S7: sort of said, well, D.L. Moody doesn't have a monopoly
- 50:14S7: of the Holy Spirit. No, but the Holy Spirit has
- 50:16S7: a monopoly on him. So we have all the spirit
- 50:20S7: we need. The words that describe to me the reality,
- 50:23S7: and I try to do it every morning, not ritualistically,
- 50:26S7: but are you open to the Spirit's control? Open fear
- 50:30S7: is usually the reason we not open fear. Are you
- 50:33S7: dependent upon the Spirit's control? The. Andrew Murray the three
- 50:37S7: stages of the Christian's life. He talks about the first stages.
- 50:40S7: I can do it and that leads to failure. Second
- 50:42S7: stage is I can't do it otherwise I'm not going
- 50:44S7: to let anybody set me up and make me make
- 50:46S7: any vow or make any resolution. But the third stage,
- 50:50S7: I can't do it, but I must do it, and
- 50:52S7: I'm going to trust God to do it.
- 50:53S5: Amen.
- 50:54S7: Openness to his control, that dependence upon his control. And thirdly,
- 50:59S7: the responsiveness to his control is the Spirit of God
- 51:02S7: prompting you to do something. Do. It is the prompting
- 51:05S7: of the Spirit of God prompting you not to do something.
- 51:07S7: Don't do it as part of. Also, responsiveness. Control is.
- 51:11S7: God points out sin in your life. Agree with him.
- 51:14S7: That little booklet that person shared with me 50 years
- 51:16S7: ago talked about spiritual breathing, confessing your sins, and an inhaling,
- 51:20S7: asking for a fresh filling of the spirit. The dear
- 51:23S7: mentor that in my life there in the early 80s,
- 51:26S7: Stephen offered. He says, I want you to be as
- 51:28S7: sensitive to sin in your life as a pupil of
- 51:30S7: your eye is to foreign matter. When something gets in
- 51:32S7: the pupil of your eye, you deal with it. You
- 51:34S7: don't say, in a couple of weeks I'll get somebody
- 51:36S7: to talk to somebody about it. So that openness, dependence
- 51:39S7: and responsiveness. If that doesn't aren't the best way that
- 51:43S7: you understand it. You have the right as God's child say, God,
- 51:46S7: you've commanded me to walk by the spirit. You commanded
- 51:49S7: me to be full of the spirit. Now, God, would
- 51:51S7: you explain it to me in ways I can understand
- 51:54S7: in my personality and my circumstances? And you'll get it.
- 51:57S7: If you refuse to live without it, you'll get it.
- 51:59S5: Amen. Doctor Bill Thrasher, everybody, we've got a link to
- 52:03S5: some resources that are epic around prayer. Doctor Bill Thrasher
- 52:08S5: has been used. So mightily of God. This is going
- 52:10S5: to get you to multiple resources books that you can grab.
- 52:15S5: I'm asking you to grab this right now if you
- 52:18S5: need to learn about the power of God in prayer. Text.
- 52:23S5: Pray to 805 5578981 word. Pray to 805 557898.
- 52:33S1: Standing on the rock each and every day, you're listening
- 52:37S1: to Carl and Crew.
- 52:39S5: It's the bottom of the hour. We missed our first
- 52:41S5: go around because we were busy with the gospel, but
- 52:43S5: we got it. Now. It's time on this Thursday morning.
- 52:48S1: Finding nuggets of truth in everyday life.
- 52:51S8: It's a metaphor. It's just a metaphor, dude.
- 52:53S9: That's a metaphor.
- 52:54S8: It's a metaphor.
- 52:55S10: I know it's a metaphor.
- 52:56S1: It's time for. Make it a metaphor with young thunder.
- 53:02S5: Okay, I got a story for you, my man. And
- 53:03S5: then you got to make it a metaphor. Okay? You
- 53:05S5: were out when I shared this, so this will be
- 53:07S5: new to you. I got dinged, and I didn't even
- 53:10S5: tend to get dinged, and I feel so blah. So
- 53:13S5: we pull up to a parking spot right in front
- 53:15S5: of the hospital, see our brand new grandson, Theodore Teddy.
- 53:20S5: and I couldn't believe it. Right across the light is
- 53:24S5: a spot. It's like one of those. You got to
- 53:26S5: be kidding me. In downtown Chicago, to get one of
- 53:29S5: the spots, it's like, woo hoo!
- 53:30S11: Geronimo!
- 53:32S5: So I duck in there and I go on my
- 53:35S5: app and I plug in about an hour. We didn't
- 53:38S5: want to overdo our stay. I mean, mama's just gone
- 53:41S5: through this thing and they got to do their thing
- 53:44S5: as a family and all that. But hey, we're grandparents,
- 53:47S5: so we're like, let's go up. And we had such
- 53:50S5: a great time. It was so great that I'm watching
- 53:53S5: the time and I'm watching it and watching it. And
- 53:57S5: then I didn't watch it and I'm like, oh no,
- 53:59S5: I gotta look down. I'm like, oh, it's just been
- 54:02S5: a few minutes since it expired. Let me plug in
- 54:04S5: some more time. So I plugged in some more time.
- 54:07S5: We wrap up our time there, go downstairs, go across
- 54:11S5: the street, putting a bag in. And I look on
- 54:14S5: the windshield are. I got dinged, so I paid like
- 54:21S5: ten bucks and then I paid another three bucks. And
- 54:28S5: so I paid ten. Got dinged for 70 in that pic.
- 54:32S5: And few minutes when I didn't have an active parking meter. Yeah.
- 54:37S5: And then I paid again after I got dinged unknowingly.
- 54:42S3: That's the worst, man. It's the worst.
- 54:44S5: Make it a metaphor.
- 54:46S3: Carl, you you did the right thing.
- 54:49S11: I did the right thing.
- 54:50S3: You knew what was coming. You knew what you had
- 54:53S3: to protect against. You were only late by eight minutes.
- 54:57S5: Maybe not even that.
- 54:58S3: Maybe not even that.
- 54:59S5: He might have found me at 60s.
- 55:01S3: Might have. The problem is, is that late is late,
- 55:07S3: and I'm going where we've actually been today. Because I
- 55:12S3: don't think there's any better place to go on this day.
- 55:15S3: Matthew 25, Jesus gives the parable of the ten virgins.
- 55:21S3: These women who had their lanterns out and were waiting
- 55:24S3: for the bridegroom to come, all ten were waiting, were
- 55:28S3: expectant for his return. But when he came near, when
- 55:32S3: it was time for him to show five of them
- 55:35S3: didn't have oil in their lamps, they weren't ready. They
- 55:38S3: were just slightly late because they looked. They said they
- 55:41S3: went to the others and they said, give us some
- 55:43S3: of your oil. So we're ready. And they said, we
- 55:45S3: don't have enough for you and us. You need to
- 55:47S3: go to the shops, go get some. They ran, they
- 55:50S3: got some. But by the time they got some, the
- 55:52S3: party had started and they knocked on the doors, but
- 55:55S3: the doors were closed and they said, you're late. I
- 55:58S3: don't know who you are. They weren't late by much,
- 56:02S3: but they were late. Late is late and that's a
- 56:07S3: hard reality. But it's a true reality when it comes
- 56:11S3: to salvation. When Jesus comes, it will be too late.
- 56:20S3: We don't know when he's coming, so we need to
- 56:23S3: be ready now and take that very seriously. As we've
- 56:27S3: been talking about what a real relationship with Jesus looks
- 56:31S3: like today. You got to know where you're at with
- 56:34S3: Jesus because late is late.
- 56:39S5: Boy, man, that is sobering, dude. You went there, didn't you? Yeah.
- 56:43S3: Couldn't think of a better place to go. I think
- 56:44S3: that was from the Lord and the Lord only.
- 56:48S5: Yeah. This is really interesting, guys. I was mentioning while
- 56:54S5: you were out. Uh, what was that a week ago? Um,
- 56:58S5: I got up one morning, and I feel like this
- 57:00S5: message of this hallucination of salvation. I felt like I
- 57:03S5: was in the spiritual war, and Satan was trying to
- 57:05S5: pull it out of me, like, take it away from me.
- 57:09S5: I had a dream along those lines. And then God's
- 57:13S5: done some things, like Tim Mulgrew, who just came on,
- 57:16S5: and JD Greer, who's been preaching on this great hallucination
- 57:19S5: of salvation, the five virgins who did not have their
- 57:24S5: lamps filled with oil in Matthew seven and JD Greer
- 57:28S5: laid it out, man. And there's a there's a growing
- 57:31S5: number of people that are seeing that our greatest mission
- 57:34S5: field is in church every weekend. In. Oh, how I
- 57:39S5: want you to know and distinguish powerless belief from true
- 57:45S5: faith that changes everything. So let me do one more
- 57:49S5: banner ad today. I don't even have a link yet,
- 57:51S5: but I need you to mark down on your calendar
- 57:54S5: November 14th if you can possibly be here. We're going
- 57:57S5: to we're going to have a registration page and sign ups.
- 58:00S5: If you're in the area of Chicagoland, we're going to
- 58:02S5: have some seats for live, but the vast majority of
- 58:06S5: you are going to be coming online and we are
- 58:08S5: going to have an incredible time. So the Unstoppable Gospel
- 58:13S5: has just released, and Jonathan is going to tell you
- 58:15S5: where to get it. Some of you got it because
- 58:17S5: you gave a share gift, which is awesome. When you
- 58:20S5: get it, read it and get ready for November 14th
- 58:22S5: because we're going to have a morning like you can't believe.
- 58:24S5: And I am so fired up about this. Here's why
- 58:28S5: there's so many of you who truly are born again
- 58:32S5: and your heart aches for wayward kids, husbands, wives, loved ones,
- 58:38S5: you name it. I mean, people at church, your heart
- 58:40S5: aches and you're like wondering how in the world are
- 58:42S5: we going to reach these people? Here's the truth. I'm
- 58:46S5: going to have one whole session committed to seven surprising ways.
- 58:51S5: God saves those you love. And I can hardly wait.
- 58:56S5: And one of these I was kicking around with Michael
- 58:58S5: Redlick just about a week ago, and he's like, whoa,
- 59:02S5: that is, you don't usually stump Michael, but I stumped
- 59:06S5: him on this one. And he said that that's a
- 59:08S5: fun observation, man. And that's got powerful relevance for parents
- 59:12S5: with wayward kids. So here's the deal. November 14th, we're
- 59:15S5: going to have a registration page. We'll probably have it
- 59:17S5: next week, but it's going to be the morning of
- 59:20S5: November 14th. All across the world, no matter where you are,
- 59:23S5: you can tune in and locally we'll have some seats
- 59:27S5: for live and in person. But here's the deal. I
- 59:30S5: want you to be ready for it and the way
- 59:33S5: to do it. Jonathan, you've got it. We've got a
- 59:36S5: link to Moody Pub, but you can get it on Amazon,
- 59:38S5: Barnes and Noble anywhere right now.
- 59:40S3: Yes, exactly. Wherever you go to buy books, you can
- 59:42S3: get it there. But we have a link for you
- 59:45S3: that you can access through this text that you can
- 59:47S3: send to us. Just text us the word unstoppable, unstoppable
- 59:51S3: to 800 555, 78, 98 again, unstoppable to 805 five, five, 78, 98.
- 59:59S3: There's a link to the book right there. We'd love
- 1:00:01S3: for you to be able to get this if you're
- 1:00:02S3: going to the conference. It's great preparation. And even if
- 1:00:06S3: you aren't able to make it, this book is still
- 1:00:08S3: an excellent resource for understanding what it means to have
- 1:00:11S3: true faith that changes everything.
- 1:00:13S5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is hard hitting. I will tell
- 1:00:17S5: you this. As a matter of fact, I, I'm, I'm
- 1:00:20S5: thinking right now, uh, in about a week and a half,
- 1:00:23S5: we're going to give out the intro free. Um, just
- 1:00:26S5: everyone kind of wet the whistle for what's more, but
- 1:00:31S5: I think if you've listened to us any time at all,
- 1:00:33S5: you know how much this is a passion of ours
- 1:00:37S5: here because the church is loaded with lost people who
- 1:00:39S5: think they're saved. Guys.
- 1:00:40S11: Yes.
- 1:00:42S5: Just loaded. Okay. Coming up here. Yeah. Just text the
- 1:00:46S5: word unstoppable. You get a link there to Moody Pub,
- 1:00:48S5: but you can get it on Amazon if you can.
- 1:00:50S5: If you're coming on the 14th, even if you aren't,
- 1:00:52S5: just get that pre-reading done. It's a short read, but
- 1:00:54S5: it it'll peel some paint in the first few chapters.
- 1:00:57S5: That'll really, it's going to hurt, but it's going to
- 1:01:00S5: hurt good. So unstoppable to 805, five, five, 78, 98.