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Panthers-Packers TNF Preview, Colts GM Job is AWFUL, Eagles are DYSFUNCTIONAL + NFL Week 8 Mailbag · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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  Speaker 1: The Volume. What is going on everybody? How are we doing?
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: John Middlecock, Three and Out Podcast. Hopefully you are doing well.
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: We have, um, I was thinking a lot about the
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: last 24 hours of this Colts fire sale. And moving forward,
• 0:30
  Speaker 1: how desirable the gig is. We got a Thursday night
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: football game. The Packers somehow are playing again on Thursday
• 0:38
  Speaker 1: night at home before Halloween, which is nuts. And Sirianni
• 0:44
  Speaker 1: and Nick Foles going at it a little bit. We'll
• 0:46
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  Speaker 1: your questions answered here on the show. And you guys
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  Speaker 1: Netflix as well. You can go check that out. We
• 1:03
  Speaker 1: got content up on the YouTube page, and we'll keep
• 1:06
  Speaker 1: rocking and rolling. But I did want to start with
• 1:10
  Speaker 1: the aftermath of yesterday from the Colts. They have an
• 1:14
  Speaker 1: interim GM, fellow ball brother, slinging players all over the league,
• 1:20
  Speaker 1: and it doesn't feel like he's done yet. Doesn't really
• 1:23
  Speaker 1: feel like he got much value for Quentin Nelson, a
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  Speaker 1: first ballot Hall of Famer, and DeForest Buckner, a guy
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  Speaker 1: who's been a stud for the Colts since they traded
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  Speaker 1: a first-round pick for him. But that's not where I
• 1:35
  Speaker 1: want to go here because Ed Dodds is not going
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  Speaker 1: to be the full-time GM. They will go out and
• 1:40
  Speaker 1: they will hire someone. But I had a wise man
• 1:44
  Speaker 1: once tell me when I first got into the NFL,
• 1:47
  Speaker 1: and this was a guy who became a GM at
• 1:49
  Speaker 1: one point in time during his career, and he said, John,
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  Speaker 1: you know what? we are not coaches. We do not
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  Speaker 1: typically get second shots. Like, what do you mean? He's like,
• 2:01
  Speaker 1: when you get your opportunity to become a GM, and
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  Speaker 1: especially if you are in position where you can tell
• 2:08
  Speaker 1: in your career you're going to have some options, like
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  Speaker 1: you're going to have a chance to get a job,
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  Speaker 1: you better feel pretty confident about the launching pad for
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  Speaker 1: that job because probably going to be your only shot.
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  Speaker 1: This is your one at bat. We are not coaches.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, coaches get multiple opportunities, and you don't have
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  Speaker 1: to be, let's use an example, John Harbaugh. Of course
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  Speaker 1: he got another opportunity. He had a long, distinguished resume.
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  Speaker 1: Of course if Tomlin wants to come back, he's going
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  Speaker 1: to get a second opportunity. Or Sean McDermott. But what
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  Speaker 1: about Robert Sala, who was a disaster with the Jets,
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  Speaker 1: takes one year to be a coordinator, and is immediately
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  Speaker 1: interviewing all over the place and gets a job? Kevin Stefanski.
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  Speaker 1: If his career as a head coach had been the
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  Speaker 1: equivalent of a GM, you think he's, I mean, he
• 2:59
  Speaker 1: was on the unemployment line for like five minutes. And
• 3:02
  Speaker 1: I was like, that's a pretty good point. That's not
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  Speaker 1: how it worked. Joe Douglas, who was with Robert Sala,
• 3:10
  Speaker 1: hand in hand, and you could argue did as good
• 3:12
  Speaker 1: of a job, drafted a lot of high-end players, some
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  Speaker 1: on other teams, some still on his team. All those
• 3:19
  Speaker 1: guys have a lot of value on the open market.
• 3:21
  Speaker 1: He's never going to be a GM ever again in
• 3:23
  Speaker 1: his career. It's like, that makes sense. And I was
• 3:26
  Speaker 1: thinking about, I grew up around a lot of people
• 3:29
  Speaker 1: in the farming and construction business. And I would say
• 3:32
  Speaker 1: those two businesses, at least in my youth growing up
• 3:36
  Speaker 1: around it, my brother now works in it, are pretty volatile.
• 3:40
  Speaker 1: When times are good, they can be really good. With farmers,
• 3:44
  Speaker 1: it's hard to tell. They're always kind of grumpy. Construction workers,
• 3:46
  Speaker 1: you can tell. Newer truck, wife's driving a Range Rover.
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  Speaker 1: But when times are bad, they're devastating. And through my
• 3:54
  Speaker 1: dad and the people he worked with and around, I
• 3:57
  Speaker 1: saw a lot of people go belly up in the
• 4:00
  Speaker 1: 90s and even as I got into college in the 2000s.
• 4:03
  Speaker 1: A lot of those guys bounce back. And if you
• 4:06
  Speaker 1: look at them now, especially the ones still alive, times
• 4:08
  Speaker 1: have been good. And I would say for most of
• 4:12
  Speaker 1: us in a lot of industries, whether you're laid off,
• 4:15
  Speaker 1: whether you're fired, whether you are a business owner and
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  Speaker 1: your company goes down, you are going to have other opportunities.
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  Speaker 1: You're going to have to create them. But life is
• 4:24
  Speaker 1: not over. Hell, you could stay in that industry if
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  Speaker 1: you haven't done something catastrophic to your own personal reputation
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  Speaker 1: and bounce back no problem. But when you're a general
• 4:36
  Speaker 1: manager candidate, you better... You better get it right. Because
• 4:42
  Speaker 1: I'd argue the Indianapolis Colts job is awful. I mean, terrible.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, we got rid of Quinton Nelson to Forrest Buckner,
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  Speaker 1: and we have a third and a fourth round pick
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  Speaker 1: to show for it. Well, on a yearly basis, in NIL,
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  Speaker 1: a ton of guys that might have been there are
• 5:01
  Speaker 1: going back to college. And just in general, the hit
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  Speaker 1: rate on those two picks... Seattle and the 49ers, that
• 5:09
  Speaker 1: could easily be your NFC championship game. So you're talking
• 5:12
  Speaker 1: about pick 88 and pick 127. Good luck. You don't
• 5:18
  Speaker 1: have a first round pick. You have a disastrous situation
• 5:22
  Speaker 1: at quarterback. You're going to have to eat money next
• 5:24
  Speaker 1: year on the dead cap to get rid of Daniel Jones' corpse.
• 5:29
  Speaker 1: And there are a lot of questions with the owner.
• 5:31
  Speaker 1: Now here's the thing. Most owners are probably pretty wacky.
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  Speaker 1: These people have an ungodly amount of money now. There's
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  Speaker 1: no one in their life at this point in time
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  Speaker 1: that is telling them something they don't want to hear.
• 5:45
  Speaker 1: It's got to be a little bit of a bizarre
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  Speaker 1: way to live. You can be Michael Bidwell or you
• 5:51
  Speaker 1: could be Robert Kraft or Stan Kroenke and you're getting
• 5:54
  Speaker 1: the same check from the league. Money is affluent. So
• 5:59
  Speaker 1: this notion, obviously there are better owners than others, but
• 6:02
  Speaker 1: no matter who you sign up with, it's a tough situation.
• 6:07
  Speaker 1: But I'll use this as an example. Let's say the Jets,
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  Speaker 1: after this year, just fire everybody, which is always on
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  Speaker 1: the table when it comes to Woody Johnson, another guy
• 6:19
  Speaker 1: viewed as kind of nutty. Now, you could say Jim
• 6:21
  Speaker 1: Irsay was pretty nuts. Yeah, he was. But I did
• 6:24
  Speaker 1: see people who were capable to work for him draft
• 6:28
  Speaker 1: Peyton Manning and have a lot of success, and then
• 6:30
  Speaker 1: Andrew Luck and go to the playoffs. We have no
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  Speaker 1: clue about this owner. But even if I just say, hey,
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  Speaker 1: she'll be no different than some of these other nutties
• 6:38
  Speaker 1: because there's no way to argue that because she stands
• 6:40
  Speaker 1: on the fucking sideline all dolled up taking notes. And
• 6:46
  Speaker 1: it's misogynistic. Or it's just the wackiest shit we've ever seen.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, no one else does that. And it's like, well,
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  Speaker 1: it's working for her. Actually, it's not. They suck. But
• 6:58
  Speaker 1: here's the thing about the Jets, because you'd be like, God,
• 7:00
  Speaker 1: you want to hit your wagon to Woody Johnson? Adam
• 7:04
  Speaker 1: Schefter tweeted this today. He also posted it on threads.
• 7:08
  Speaker 1: If the NFL draft were held today, the New York
• 7:12
  Speaker 1: football Jets currently would hold the 6th, 9th, and 11th
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  Speaker 1: overall picks. Think about that. Now, Things could change. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: they have the Colts pick. They have the best of
• 7:27
  Speaker 1: the Cowboys Packers pick. And they have their own pick.
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  Speaker 1: So they are flush. And it looks like last year,
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  Speaker 1: pretty good draft. Probably going to age pretty well. So
• 7:38
  Speaker 1: if you are going to sign up for one of
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  Speaker 1: these nut jobs, because I would say at this point
• 7:44
  Speaker 1: in time, they're all going to be a little nutty.
• 7:46
  Speaker 1: And a lot of them, the aging ones, their kids
• 7:48
  Speaker 1: are going to be heavily involved. And for some of
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  Speaker 1: these guys who were self-made and created it, their kids
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  Speaker 1: are definitely not. And most of them at this point
• 7:59
  Speaker 1: inherited the franchise. So you get someone like Carly Ursae Gordon.
• 8:04
  Speaker 1: She's like a fifth-generation Nepo baby. And listen, I've known
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people who were born into good situations
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  Speaker 1: that went on to be very successful. So I know
• 8:16
  Speaker 1: Nepo baby, if you get on Twitter or Instagram or whatever,
• 8:20
  Speaker 1: everyone's just a loser. I've met some people that were
• 8:23
  Speaker 1: born on third base and made it home and then
• 8:25
  Speaker 1: rounded again. Now, there are also those people that start
• 8:28
  Speaker 1: on third base and somehow end up back at first. But...
• 8:32
  Speaker 1: I know this. If he were to fire everybody, if
• 8:35
  Speaker 1: he were to just fire Aaron Glenn and keep the
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  Speaker 1: general manager, that is just a good launching spot because
• 8:42
  Speaker 1: they are flush with capital to improve the team. Meanwhile,
• 8:46
  Speaker 1: the Colts are the polar opposite. No quarterback, no picks
• 8:51
  Speaker 1: of value, no talent on the roster, especially I would
• 8:54
  Speaker 1: imagine they'll keep trading guys as they should. And an
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  Speaker 1: owner is just going to be like, what is this?
• 9:01
  Speaker 1: Are you just going to take notes on everything I do?
• 9:04
  Speaker 1: You could be like, that's so mean. Well, I don't
• 9:08
  Speaker 1: see anyone else doing that. Imagine your first meeting or
• 9:13
  Speaker 1: your fifth meeting or you're involved in a sales pitch
• 9:21
  Speaker 1: and your boss is just in the corner looking at
• 9:23
  Speaker 1: you with a notepad and a suit on. You'd be like,
• 9:28
  Speaker 1: this is kind of weird. Be a little bizarre, right?
• 9:32
  Speaker 1: Because it is. And when you look at this Colts job,
• 9:35
  Speaker 1: there is no way around it. GM, assuming that they
• 9:39
  Speaker 1: end up firing Shane Steichen, which I did see this
• 9:41
  Speaker 1: clip kind of making the rounds that she had said
• 9:46
  Speaker 1: earlier this year that the hiring process is a little weird.
• 9:49
  Speaker 1: You know, hiring them both at the same time doesn't
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  Speaker 1: mean you got to get rid of both of them,
• 9:53
  Speaker 1: regardless of what happens. This is a dog shit gig.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it truly is. Panthers-Packers Thursday night. You know
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: where my philosophy is? As the season goes on, we
• 10:07
  Speaker 1: hammer the home teams. Might have to throw that Theory,
• 10:12
  Speaker 1: philosophy out the window on this one. Somehow the Green
• 10:15
  Speaker 1: Bay Packers, and Packer fans clearly are pretty dialed into
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: this for about five months since the schedule came out,
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: are playing their second Thursday night game before Halloween. Now
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: they're both at home, so they're not traveling. That is
• 10:32
  Speaker 1: still insanity. Two Thursday night games before Halloween. I don't
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: care how the rest of the schedule shapes out. And
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: theirs is a little quirky because they play like a
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: Wednesday game and got some weird stuff going on toward
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: the end of the year. So they got some like
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: bunch of mini buys. And I think the league argues
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: you get mini buys when this happens. That feels nuts.
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: And I saw this incredible stat from a buddy of mine,
• 10:57
  Speaker 1: Joe Osborne. He works at Covers. It's like a gambling website.
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: and he posted this on the Everything app, X. The
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers are an incredible 13-0 against the spread in
• 11:14
  Speaker 1: games following an outright loss. They got obliterated, obviously, last week,
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: but it's a very similar situation to last year. They
• 11:23
  Speaker 1: got destroyed by 31 at home versus Josh Allen and
• 11:28
  Speaker 1: the Bills. Then they went into Green Bay as basically
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: a two-touchdown underdog and just straight up won. I think
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: these games are weird. Anytime a team, I mean, you'd
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: be hard-pressed. Like, the Raiders were down 28-3 in the
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: first half. It didn't quite look like what I witnessed
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: in Carolina and Tampa. That was a massacre. And it
• 11:54
  Speaker 1: just wouldn't stop snowballing on him. And, I mean, even
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: Dave Canales said after the game, I've never been a
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: part of a first half like that. It was 33-6,
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: but it felt like 75-0. It was a joke. If
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: you're a Panther fan, if you're a Panther coach, if
• 12:12
  Speaker 1: you're a Panther player, it's just got to be one
• 12:14
  Speaker 1: of those games that you just, you know, RIP Tony Sperano.
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: But I remember when I first got into radio, I
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: was on the Raider station, and Dennis Allen was the coach.
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: But there were rumors like Mark Davis hated Dennis Allen,
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: hated him. And I think he started 0-4, and they
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: fired him. And Tony was named the interim coach. And
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: he took the game tape, an actual hard copy of
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: the tape, which I don't think even anyone used at
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: the time, or no, maybe he took a football, I forget,
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: either a football or a tape. He took the entire
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: team out his first day on the job, went to
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: the practice field, got a shovel, dug a hole, and
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: put the tape and the football in the hole. He said,
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: everything that happened before this doesn't matter anymore. Then I
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: think he lost like six straight games. So a lot
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: more issues there than just the football and the tape
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: in the ground. But my point is that you're in
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: these situations. And I just think it's so easy to
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: be like, this is the hard part about the NFL.
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: And I think college is becoming like this too, is
• 13:29
  Speaker 1: if you go week to week, you can get burned.
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: And I think that stat's pretty telling. I'm taking the Panthers.
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: I just saw that They got multiple guys on the Packers.
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: Matthew Golden, Wyatt are questionable for this game. Hard to tell.
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: Short week. Is anyone even practicing? But Golden's clearly a
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: little banged up. And let's face it, he's been dropping
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: balls to begin with. But they need him. He's a
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: pretty important piece of their operation. And Jordan Love throws
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: to him all the time. He had 12 fucking targets
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: last week. I also think losing 2 of 3 to
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: the Bears... was not great for LeFleur, right? That is
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: a historic rivalry. The fans got accustomed to owning that rivalry.
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: You know, it's one of those rivalries like Auburn, Alabama.
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: I finished the Saban doc last night. And even he's
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: saying like, Weird games. We know going in, they could
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: be 11-0, you know, headed a national championship contender, or
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: they can be 5-6 and struggling to get 500. We
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: approach that game no different than we do LSU or Georgia.
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: Especially there, we plan on it getting weird. And everyone
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: acknowledges it, right? I would say that game feels the
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: weirdest of all the big college football rivalries. Like it's,
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: it would be stunning. Again, we'll have to see how
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: Ohio state's quarterback looks, but like if Ohio state's good,
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: Michigan's down, you do kind of expect Ohio state to
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: handle it and vice versa, even though it's kind of
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: been one way the whole time. It's why a couple
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: of years ago when Michigan beat Ohio state, it was insane, right?
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: You're like, wait, this, this, you're what's happening here. But
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: LaFleur losing two home games, even if I'd argue this
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: is unfair, like to make the Packers play a second
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: Thursday night game, in the first month and a half
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: of the season is kind of just, what are we doing?
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: Which I never, like, I love it when these players
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: or people in the media go and they say that
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: they care about safety. Guys, they do not care about safety.
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: Why does anyone say that? They care about money. This
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: is a business. Do you think they care about concussions? No,
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: they don't want to get sued and they don't want
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: to pay. Do you think they, like all these targeting rules,
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: they did it out of the goodness of their heart?
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: They don't give a damn. They care about keeping that
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: cash afloat. That's all that matters. Like when Rodgers goes
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: on these rants, and all these players do, Thursday Night
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: Football wouldn't exist otherwise. But here's the other thing. The
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: people in the league office and the people who are
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: in control of this aren't former coaches and players. They're businessmen.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: They view all you guys as widgets. Now, luckily, if
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: you're going to be a widget, you might as well
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: be a high-paid widget. There are a lot of widgets
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: not making anything. So it's like, hey, if you're going
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: to do it, at least be on the top 1%
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: of the income bracket. But I... We agree it's unfair.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: You lose two primetime games Thursday night to the NFC South,
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: the Falcons and the Panthers, it's going to be hard
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: to come to grips with the Packer fans. Now, I
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: do think the Packers' big picture are going to be
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: fine this year. It doesn't look like they're winning 12
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: or 13 games, but they should hover around that 9-10 mark,
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: and the Packers, historically pretty conservative, Unless he doesn't win
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: another game. LaFleur's going to be the coach next year,
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: I would imagine. But this is one of those that's like,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: we can't beat the Falcons or the Panthers on Thursday
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: Night Football. And this is also a team that beat
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: you last year when you were supposed to beat them.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: But we also got to be pretty aware now of
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: the fact of everyone's kind of the same. It's like
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: that in college. It's like that in the NFL. The
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Chiefs could lose to Just pick random teams. Like the Jets.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: The Jets could take out the Chiefs, could take out
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos, could take out the Pittsburgh Steelers on
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: a given game. The Miami Dolphins, they've played teams tight
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: this year. It's football. And these Thursday night games are
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: just weird, but The Panthers have already had a bye.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: So in a weird way, they have a greater rest advantage.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: And I understand you get a mini bye after the
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Thursday week. But when you don't get a week off
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: and then you have to do it all over again,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: seems pretty crazy to me. So I'd hammer the Panthers
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: in the points. Last but not least, before we dive
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: into the mailbag, I saw Nick Foles had some comments.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: I think they were going viral in the Philly circles yesterday.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: He must have said this on his podcast or maybe
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: it was an interview. Essentially, what he witnessed on Monday
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: night was dysfunctional. It's like, Nick, my mother, who just
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: turned 79, could see that. You don't think that's a
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: functional operation? Hell, I'd call the Dallas Cowboys pretty dysfunctional
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: as well. They had seven or eight penalties in the
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: first half. That was just a terrible, terrible played football
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: game early on. It's like, what is going on here?
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: But he also said that the unraveling started this offseason
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: with Jeff Stoutland, who was the O-line coach and fired.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: And listen, he's a legendary coach, right? Been the O-line
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: coach for multiple Super Bowls. Has, you know, a bunch
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: of these guys say they owe their career to him.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: His resume speaks for itself. But sometimes when a guy
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: gets fired, it's not always like we just need a spark.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Underrated part in the NFL is is that some of these,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: and the Eagles have Fangio, Stoutland got like this. Do
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: people understand that Jeff Stoutland, as an offensive line coach,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: was making over $ 3 million? And I think sometimes egos
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: get big, man, and guys don't listen to anybody. And
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: I would say these coaches preach the team, the team,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: the team, Yet. they're kind of big ego individuals, you know,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: with the other coaches. And I think sometimes, and you
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: see it when head coaches get fired. We just saw
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: a bunch of head coaches in college get fired. I'm
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: sure we're going to have a bunch more in the
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: NFL this year and we'll have more in college. Especially
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: if you had a long, long tenure somewhere. It's just time.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Like the dude at NC State. He just got fired.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Been there 14 years. Do you know NC State, I
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: heard someone say this, in 124 years of football? They've
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: been around for 124 years of football. Has had one
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: 10-win season. One. So it's like, NC State, you should
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: be proud to win eight, nine games. Because that would
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: be the argument of, you're firing this guy? You think
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: you're better than this guy? Well, part of it is, like,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: they think they can get Phillip Rivers, which is a no-brainer,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: given that his kid's going there, and it'll just make
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: them a national brand immediately. So, yeah, I'd fire Dave
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Dorn at, shit, if he was winning 12 games, if
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: I'd get Phillip Rivers for the donations. You know? This
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: is a business, not a charity. But, like, you're there
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: 14 years. I saw it when I was in Philadelphia
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: with Andy Reid. I think Andy Reid has proven, and
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: I think this year is, he's actually been in Kansas
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: City for more years than he was in Philadelphia. But like,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: it was just time. And everyone needed, John Harbaugh, Mike Tomlin.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Sometimes things run their course. Not every divorce is, you know,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: just a bloodbath. Just going after each other's throats. Sometimes
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, we just, it's over. We're good with it.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: We'll just go our separate ways. We'll split the children.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: We don't hate each other. Some are clearly pretty, a
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: lot of venom behind both sides. But I do believe
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: that Nick Sirianni is a unique case because he's had
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: a lot of success. But the one thing that was
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: never debatable, like if you compared him to the other guys,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: you're like, well, he's like an under 45 guy, but
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: no one thinks he's dynamic as the other guy's that
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: are head coaches who are calling the plays. McVay, Kyle, right?
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Even if you wanted to say like Matt LaFleur, Kevin O'Connell,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: like those guys, the impact they have on a weekly
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: basis is not comparable to Nick because Nick's just standing there.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: So Nick's main thing is like keeping the guys corralled,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: handling them. And where I would agree with Foles is like,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Dysfunction to me is like, are guys quitting? Because if
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: guys are quitting, then his leadership is done. And the
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: time is then over. I saw a clip today of
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Brian Baldinger. It must have been on local Eagles radio.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Came in one of my feeds. And he said that
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: in Baldy, New Jersey guy, right in that area, has
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: probably seen every snap of Jalen Carter's career on all
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: 22 tape. And he knows his shit. And he says
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: it's the worst game he's ever seen him play. And
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: when you start paying premiums for players and they start sucking,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: you get fired. It's really that simple. And you know what?
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: I saw Sirianni. I was watching some of his press
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: conference after the game. And he said, during the national anthem,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: I kind of look up and I'm just in such
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: a grateful state thinking, if you would have told young
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Nick Sirianni, who dreamed one day of being in the NFL,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: that I would be a head coach, I wouldn't have
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: asked what our record was or what players were on
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: injured reserve or what players I had available or who
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: we were playing. I would have signed up for that immediately, right?
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: And he's like, hell, if you would have told a
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: young adult Nick Sirianni, I'd be sitting in these shoes.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, that's very good perspective.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: But you know when you typically, most people, some people
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: are good at this, really kind of be reflective and
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: have gratitude is typically when things are going really bad.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: And there's a chance they're going to get way worse.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: And it's a healthy thing. I'm not the biggest churchgoer,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: but it's something that they teach you. And we all
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: get to those points when it's really easy to just
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: dwell in negativity or use some positivity, look at the
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: bright spots in life, which we all have, no matter
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: how bleak things look. And I respect him saying that.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: But I also think that is pretty reflective of what's
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: going on. And they're not just two and five. They
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: are unraveling with injuries and their top players who are
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: playing and making paid a ton are not only not
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: playing well they're not even playing hard so i i
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: think sirianni is no dummy i mean a couple years
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: ago they clearly almost pulled the trigger for bill belichick
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: which i i would imagine they're glad they did not
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: do right especially how he would not i know they
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: have but a decent relationship, Bill and Howie. That's why
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: it was like getting close. But I think that you
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: talk about, you know, kind of washed. Even though actually
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Bill's doing a pretty good job at North Carolina. Commendable
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: job for sure. After firing his buddy and firing his
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: kid for all sorts of crazy allegations. But that's Bill.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: He thrives in those situations. It's like, oh yeah, sexual assault, cocaine.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Let's rattle off four game winning streak. So yeah, I
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: think Sirianni is just going to coach out the string here.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: I think it's fair to assume that this is all
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: she wrote for his head coaching career. And I also
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: think it's all she wrote, and this is the other thing.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: We talk about coaches getting second chances. Stefanski immediately hired. Sala,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: one year off, immediately hired. I don't think we're seeing
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Sirianni as a head coach. In the NFL, college would
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: definitely be Possible. He honestly might fit at college better.
• 26:13
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• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Question for the pod. As the Colts are having a
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: fire sale for all their star players, what are the
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: vibes in the locker room for the rest of the team?
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: The situation seems much more dire compared to some other
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: two-win teams, like the Saints, Texans, the Bucs, etc. I
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: would imagine the morale is pretty low. You know, I think...
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: I just can't get over... Daniel Jones is one of
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: the greatest all-ski-mass teams... individuals in the history of American
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: business that is not committing a crime. It's above board,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: nothing illegal, just robbing people. I looked yesterday. I don't
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: know exactly how much guaranteed money. If they cut him
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: at the end of the season, they would still owe him.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: I think it's probably like $ 10 million. As of the
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: end of this football season, he will have made $ 172 million.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: I think it's his family members that are part of
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: his operation. Whatever commission he paid them is not enough.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: They could represent me and my interests any day of
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: the week. I mean, they make Rosenhaus look like my son,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: begging to get let out of the playpen. I mean,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: they look like some of the great negotiators in the
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: history of America. So do I think he gives a shit?
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: I don't think he cares at all. He's laughing all
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: the way to the bank. And I also think when
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: you do this, it's like everyone's just got to go. Like,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: are you really worried about the quote-unquote morale in the
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: locker room? and here's the other thing by all accounts,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Quentin Nelson's not the most vocal. Like he's more of a,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: just follow his lead. You know, Buckner is, is like
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: a heart and soul of your operation type guy. You
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: remove that, this whole thing could fall apart and no one.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: And I mean, no one has to be more excited
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: than that, than Jets fans. Because I mean, there, there's
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: a chance I, I might've been early. The Colts, uh,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: who are playing, I think, the Jags this week. I
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: had them on quit watch last week. I might have
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: been a week early. Even though if Kyler just doesn't
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: kind of crap down his leg on some plays, they
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: still should have covered. But this against the Jags in Jacksonville,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: I might have been a week early. It's like people
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: that were all into the internet boom, invested in the
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: stock market like 99, 2000, and then it crashed. The
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: internet was coming. The internet vibes on the stock market,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: we were just, well, not me. I was 15 years old,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: but you were just ahead of the game. I think
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: it was like pets.com was like one of the signature
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: stocks that everyone still talks about. Got quit written all over. One, two, three,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: we're over it. Question regarding Lamar Jackson and the Ravens.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Why is Lamar the only player in the NFL that
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: we have weird injuries with? If Lamar wasn't going to
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: play for the last three weeks, why did they not
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: immediately rule him out the next week? This also reminds
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: me of when they messed up the injury designations either
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: last year or the year before, which sparked an investigation
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: from the NFL regarding injury misconduct. Is this a Lamar
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: thing or a Ravens thing? I thought it was Harbaugh
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: with his redundant coach speak, but it's now looking more
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: like a Lamar issue. Is he the Kawhi Leonard of
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: the NFL? Like, I'm with you. It was like, you know,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: is John and Eric DaCosta. You know, Eric is just
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: a cold SOB, man. Fuck that. That guy, knife you
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: in the front, knife you in the back. So it's
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: like I could see him messing with other teams. So
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: you'd be like, you know, they were always doing weird stuff.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: I heard Nick Wright go through it yesterday. Starting in 21.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was three different years of them saying things,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: of him playing. Hell, he might play this week, then
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: he'd be out for the season. I mean, the way
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: they played this the last three weeks, you thought, like, God,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: he might miss a game. And then he missed three
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: straight games. And even last week, the injury, they announced
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: he's out on Saturday. It does feel... I don't think
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: the Ravens are blameless because... I don't think they hate
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: you not knowing. It's obviously a big, big difference, getting
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: ready for Lamar and Snoop Huntley. But at this point
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: in time, it does feel like Lamar kind of does
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: his own thing. And it is bizarre. It has a
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: lot of Kawhi Leonard vibes of you just don't know
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: what you're getting. And this gets back to the guy
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: we saw before he got injured in that Tennessee game,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: he is a 200 plus million dollar guaranteed extension guy.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's incredible, but then you have this. So
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: it's like, if we miss the playoffs by a game,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: were you really hurt? Were you not willing to play hurt? Were,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: are we uncomfortable with the way you communicate with us?
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: It's just definitely something to keep an eye on. I,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: I don't, it's bizarre. I mean, it's, I heard Colin
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: had a good line today. He's like, you know, I
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: don't mind weird, but I don't want it in my quarterbacks.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: And this is starting to get a little weird and bizarre. So,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: it looks like he's going to play this week. I
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: don't know. They kind of need him playing the Bills
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: off a bye. But, I would say Kawhi Leonard has,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: it's got some similarities there. Lamar feels much more normal
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: than Kawhi, who is just out there. But, When it
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: comes to injuries, like Kawhi will just announce, like, knee hurt,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: see ya. It's like, what? It's like, hey, Toronto, you
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: just gave this guy a bunch of money. You didn't
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: think he was going to get hurt and bounce on you?
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: He doesn't give a shit about you. I do think
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Lamar cares. Like, I don't think Kawhi cares at all.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: You know, we use the word mercenary a lot in sports.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: There has never been a bigger mercenary than him. He
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: doesn't care about any of these people. If they all
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: burned alive, it'd be like that movie scene of him
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: just walking. He doesn't care at all. I do think
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Lamar cares, but there has to be some better... Like,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: you just don't... Like, let's face it. The Ravens, their
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: goal is to be the Chiefs, right? That's what DaCosta's like.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Beat them, be Super Bowl champs, be the bar for
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: the AFC. Do you think that ever happens with Mahomes
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: and Andy and Veach? Like... Mahomes is texting Veach nonstop
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: about his thoughts during bowl games, the combine free agency.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's with Andy telling Josh Simmons to get
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: out of the offensive meeting room. I'm not saying Lamar
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: wouldn't do that, but I need a relationship that we're
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: business partners. Well, hell, we're paying you premiums. We're paying
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: you $ 50, $ 55 million a year. I need you all
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: in on the boat. And it does feel like, I
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: don't know what's going on. People say it's because of
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: the agent. It's you communicate how you want to communicate.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Kawhi has proven that he doesn't care. You fucking figure
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: it out. You want to get into business with him.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: You can never be shocked. Only truly like Harbaugh, DaCosta
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: and now mentor truly know the, the disconnect. And who knows?
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Like I, I'm not absolving the Ravens. I, there is
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: a chance that they play a big role in this too.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: From the outside, it feels like it's starting to be
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: more of a Lamar thing. Wanted to get your top
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: five ranking for offensive play caller since 2000. Where would
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: you rank Shanahan? Not Mike Kyle. His dad probably peaked
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: late 90s. That's a good question. I would say the
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: two guys of the last 20, 25 years who are
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: older that would be locks would be Andy Reid and
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Sean Payton. I would say the two guys of this
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: generation that feel like locks would be Sean McVay and
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan. I think if you just base it on
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Super Bowls, it would be Andy would be one. Kyle
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: doesn't have one. Those two have one. I do think
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: you'd have to throw in, he's not a head coach,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: but like Josh McDaniels is a play caller. He's been
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: pretty good. I mean, he's won a lot of big
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: games against the big time defenses. And I do think
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: you would say, you know, Belichick ain't calling. When you
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: run the defense for Belichick, he's clearly very involved. Like
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: that's his side of the ball, right? It's, it's kind
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: of Saban-ish. Like if you're the defensive coordinator for Saban, he's,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: He knows what you're doing, and I'm sure he's chiming in. Well,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: if you're the offensive coordinator, he's just screaming at you
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: to run or pass, but he's not telling you what
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: play to call. So I have to think a little
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: more about that, but I'd be hard-pressed to not have...
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: If you're just going, it'd probably have to go Andy,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Sean Payton. I mean, McVay beat Kyle Shanahan in the
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: NFC Championship game, so it'd be hard to argue that.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: I do think Kyle... I think if you could morph
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: the two of them, I think Kyle at his core
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: wants to run it. Sean wants to pass it. There's
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: got to be some balance there. They're kind of intertwined, obviously.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: And then I'd probably throw Josh. Maybe I'm leaving some
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: guy out. How can you explain how important offensive and
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: defensive coordinators are for teams? Seems like good teams get
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: rid of their coordinators and have the same head coach
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: and then regress. Well, I think the main thing is
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: that your coordinator, like if I'm Dan Campbell or Sirianni
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: or John Harbaugh, I attend meetings. But you hear this
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: word a lot, meetings, right? A lot of us, not
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: me as much, but a lot of you, depending, who knows,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: maybe all of our jobs are different. But historically, meetings
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: were a big part of business, right? They have morphed
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: with Slack and Zooms. They're not quite as formal. I
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: would say universally as they once were. But in football,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: a meeting, it's changed over the years because of the
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: way people comprehend information and our lack of patience because
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: of the phone. But it's pretty similar, right? You go
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: team meetings, right? Is the entire team that's usually the
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: head coach sending a message in the morning, Wednesdays, getting
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: ready for the game Thursday Friday some coaches do it
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: differently some coaches after Wednesday you you don't meet as
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: a team that seems pretty crazy to me a lot
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: of coaches like I'll use Kyle Shanahan for example Monday
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Wednesday Thursday Friday or like team meetings to start the
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: day Andy all these guys And some guys are more
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: involved in those team meetings. Some are shorter. And they
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: go offense, defense, and you break. So when the offense
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: goes and the defense goes, special teams go drink coffee
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: and read the internet, the kicker, punter, and long snapper.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Because if you're a special teams player, you're still an
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: offensive or defensive player. Well, if I'm John Harbaugh, Matt
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: Nagy is leading my offensive meeting room. So that guy
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: is the one talking to to the team about the
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: game plan, the plays, the installation of the plays, the
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: previous practice when we ran those plays, things we saw,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: things we want to tweak. They are setting the message
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: to the entire team. So anyone that read that story
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: about Andy Reid running the offensive meeting, probably him and Bien-Ami, right?
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, Andy's right there. Bien-Ami's the offensive coordinator. But
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: when your head coach is a play caller, they're in
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: that meeting often. and telling him to put his feet
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: down because they were in there as an offense. And
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: then I'm sure Mahomes, who's sitting in the front, turns
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: around and is like, bro, get the fuck out of here.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: And that's pretty high-level operation. And listen, Josh Simmons ain't
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: the first guy to get kicked out of one of
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: these meetings, but it's just setting the offensive or defensive
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: game plan for the week. So those guys have, and
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: then obviously at practice, they're the ones running the side
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: of the practice. Installing the plays, installing the playbook, installing everything.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: Making tweaks. They play a huge role with the actual plays.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Like if Flores disappeared tomorrow, there is absolutely zero chance
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: whoever the number two guy is in Minnesota could just
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: run the defensive meetings and install what Brian's doing. Zero chance.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Like negative chance. It's an important job. Unless your head coach,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: like McVay, Andy, Kyle, LaFleur, Mike McDonald, those guys run
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: the meetings. Or when you're head coach, you miss some
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: and your assistants run some. But you're the guy calling
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: the defense. So you're a huge, huge part of it
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: throughout the week and then obviously on game day. Because
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: I heard, who was it? Oregon just fired their offensive coordinator.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: And he replaced Will Stein, who just went to Kentucky
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: and is having an incredible year and looks like a
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: future star. But they basically just kept the same offense
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: and elevated a guy from the staff. And this is
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: what's very difficult about calling plays, especially offensively. Defense, you
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: have a philosophy. If you run Fangio's defense, if you
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: run a Zimmer blitz-heavy defense, Flores is creating his own defense.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: But it's... You get somewhat of an idea, and being
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: a defensive play caller is pretty predicated, again, unless you're Flores,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: with this unit on having high-level players to be a
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: good defense. Historically, good defenses are not like overachieving units.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: They typically have high-end, pro-ball, all-pro players. You'd be very
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: hard-pressed to look at the top defenses in NFL history. Hell,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: just of the last 20 years that rank in the
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: top two or three every single year that aren't littered
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: with high-end players. It's not a bunch of overachievers. I'm
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: not saying you can't have an overachiever or two on
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: the unit, but it's as much about the Jimmys and
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: the Joes and the Xs and the Os. The offense
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: is a little different. And just because you keep the
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: same offense, if I don't know that offense, I'm not
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: going to be as good of a play caller because
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: you got to know why you're doing it, what you
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: do against this, the reasons you change, adaptations you can make,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: And it's why so many guys fail. It's like, well,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: just hire another Shanahan guy. Well, does he truly know
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: the offense or do you just work for them for
• 43:49
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  Speaker 1: a limited time. Terms and conditions apply. Not a USC fan. USC,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: as in the Trojans fight on. Would Jim Harbaugh make sense?
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: He'd bring toughness, good with the media. That might be
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: a stretch, but I hear what you're saying. Lives there,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: so wouldn't need to move. Problem is, he has, like,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: after the Connor Stallions thing, I don't think he's allowed
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: to coach. Like, he's basically banned from recruiting. So, there's just,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: it's not an option. I forget the exact terminology. but
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: I don't even think he's allowed to recruit. I think
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: it's completely over. And I think it's a long, isn't
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: it like a 10-year show cause? He's never coaching in
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: college again, unless he goes to UC Davis or something
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: just for the hell of it. I don't think he's
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: a great fit at USC either. I mean, if you
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: look at the two places he's coached, like Stanford and Michigan,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: USC's got a little more like Texas to them. Stanford
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: and Michigan are basically like I mean, premium universities academically.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: It's just a little different. And he was a Michigan guy.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: The Niners look great, and Washington has become one of
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: this season's laughingstocks. With Dan Quinn's recent blunders, can we
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: finally excuse Shanahan from the 28-3 loss? Maybe it's because
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: we're in season, or maybe because he hasn't been fired.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Just seems like it has never been more obvious. I've
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: always said this. No assistant coach has ever been blamed
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: for a big playoff or Superbowl loss. And the head
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: coach gets absolved in the history of sports since this.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: It's like Kyle is the, and why is that? What's
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: the famous line? They don't boo. Nobody's like Kyle's the star.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: Dan Quinn is the role player. It's not shocking that
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: once Kyle leaves the whole thing disintegrated and Dan's, by
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: all accounts, a very, very nice guy. And people that
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: have worked with him love the guy. He's just not
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: a head coach. He's completely overwhelmed. It's just really that simple. Listen,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Washington at this point in time with the injuries is
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: not that talented. So you could put McVay or Andy Reid.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: They would have issues. But give me a break. I mean,
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: we have seen countless games this year where it's like,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: remedial clock. It's one thing if you hit a big play,
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: everyone's celebrating, and you get to delay a game on
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: a 60-yard chunk play. Happens all the time. It's happened forever,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: and it'll continue to happen. I totally get it. Or
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: you've got to blow a timeout. This doesn't bother me.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: I'm numb to that now. But the stuff they're dealing with,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: it's like, they don't know what's going on. You could
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: argue for as bad as the tie thing was... A
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: week later, after that moment, to say field goal in
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: the headset when it was just fourth down is pretty bad.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Why is it so rare to see a two-star running
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: back to see two-star running backs on one team? I mean,
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: top talent like Chase and Higgins or Lamb and Pickens? Well,
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: it's a good question. Typically, because when the one guy
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: becomes a free agent, you're not going to pay both
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: of them like $ 30 million for your running back room.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: You allocate more to the wide receiver room than you
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: do to the running back room. You can have two-star
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: running backs. It's pretty rare. Like LaDainian Tomlinson, Michael Turner.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: Was that the two? Or did Michael Turner come from Atlanta?
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: It hasn't happened in a long time. Truly like... I mean,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: Montgomery and Gibbs when Gibbs was young. But then what happens?
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: You got to pay Gibbs. You get rid of Montgomery. Partly, too,
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: because you're just, especially now with these do-all running backs,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: you don't want to have the other guy on the field.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: In a perfect world, you have a Bijon, a Gibbs,
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: a McCaffrey, a super Jonathan Taylor, a high-end guy, and
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: then you hit on a fifth, sixth, seventh-round running back.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Or it could be third or fourth, whatever. But a
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: guy just making less than a million dollars. And he
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: can come in and just be good for you. I
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: think that is just kind of universally agreed upon the
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: ideal way if you're going to have Saquon Barkley in
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: his prime and then Kenneth Gainwell. You know, just a good,
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: cheap player as his backup. Question for the back. I
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: feel like some of the consistency in the NFL is gone.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: This year, the only team that has been consistent, in
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: my opinion, is the Vikings. Consistently bad on offense and
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: fantastic blitz-heavy defense. Last year, the Patriots were consistent, but
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: the caveat being an easy bet. But the consistency had
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: a caveat where they would smoke bad teams, then would
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: lose to good teams. I got terrible eyes. This year,
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: the Patriots sucked the first three weeks and have been
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: good since. Same is for the Packers. Bills and Falcons
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: go up and down. Niners look good in the first
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: quarter against the Falcons, then sucked. So on and so on. Yeah,
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, one huge, huge impact on football that people
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: could give me the stats. We've all been watching this sport,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: unless you're 15 years old, for a long time. Guys
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: drop like flies. The amount of guys that get injured,
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: you can give me any stat, I don't believe you,
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: it feels like more than ever. I'd say the same
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: thing for the NBA. Half the league is already hurt.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: And maybe it's just because I was reading my guy Strauss'
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: article the other day about Mahomes. In three of defensive tackle,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: defensive end, and linebacker, the greatest athletic testing scores in
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: the history of the league have come in the last
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: five years. So the guys are bigger, faster, stronger than ever.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: I've said this forever. People train to be explosive more
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: than they train for football because then they don't practice
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: football because no one really practices anymore like they once
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: did to kind of build the calluses. Like when you
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: watch the Tyson doc, no one would spar against Mike
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: because the only way to prepare for a fight is
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: to spar, but he was like, I don't want to spar.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: The one guy that would was Lennox Lewis when he
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: was really young. And part of getting ready for a
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: fight is building the calluses to get ready for the fight.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: It's why some of these guys in the UFC clearly
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: kind of get banged up leading up to the fight
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: because you kind of got to get right there on
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: the edge. Football's no different. Like, historically in football, before
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: the money had just exploded, you went to a Wednesday
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: practice in the NFL, you went to, you know, Tuesday
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: practice in college. It was chin strap, obviously high school.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: We went full pads in high school every day in practice.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: I don't ever remember. I'd never seen shorts and shells
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: during the season or during training camp until I went
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: to Fresno State, and Coach Hill was very reluctant to
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: do that. And one time he did it, I'll never forget.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: We had such a bad practice, like 15 minutes in.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: Sent the whole team to the locker room, brought them
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: back out full pads, and went full scrimmage. It was
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: kind of crazy. Guys were getting hurt. I mean, it
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: was a full-on war. And I think that plays a
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: huge role. I really do, is the injuries. Look how
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: many teams from the playoffs last year. I mean, the
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: Eagles have their teams hurt. 49ers are always hurt. Look
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: how many guys, the Giants just put someone on injury reserve.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: Everyone's just hurt, always. And I also think this, the officiating.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: I was thinking about this the other day. Is there
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: another industry where like two days after the result of something,
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: you just would get a call and be like, you know, actually,
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: we were wrong of something of significance. Everyone has been
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: told a week later, a day later, like, hey, man,
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: I messed up there. Totally. We're human beings. But every
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: single week, it's like, oh, yeah, you know that pass
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: interference call that we didn't call? Should have called it. Oh,
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: you know that game that you ended up losing? You
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: probably would have won, right? It happens every freaking week.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: It feels like it's getting worse, too. Why does everyone
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: shit on Adam Gase? Is this Adam's burner? I know
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: it didn't end up well when he was the coach
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: of the Jets, but we have seen how poorly that
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: franchise has been ran over the past 15 years. He
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: was an offensive coordinator for the Broncos in 13. It
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: wasn't a bad head coach for the Dolphins. I think
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: Peyton gets a lot of the credit, fair or not,
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: for the 13 team. The Dolphins, I think he took
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: them to the playoffs one year with Matt Moore. I
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: think it's as simple as this. If you're going to
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: be a complete weirdo in a job that's very public,
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: you better be successful because no one wants a weirdo
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: that's losing. And it did feel like he was on cocaine.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: I saw Le'Veon Bell said that he caught him doing blow.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, he had a lot of Steve Belichick vibes.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: And then you read articles about him, how a guy
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: didn't sleep. It's like, well, I promise, we've all been,
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: anyone that's had a baby knows, there comes a point
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: where coffee stops working. I worked in the NFL. I
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: was younger, so I had more energy, I would say.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: And I remember we drank Keurigs in Philly. I remember
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: in Fresno, we had a legit pot. In Philly, we
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: were drinking Kirgs. There's no caffeine in those. But it
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: didn't even matter. You're in your 20s. You're just high
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: on life. But I think we view Adam Gase, fair
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: or not, as like a druggie whack job. I mean, yeah,
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: I knew a little bit about offense, but druggie whack job,
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: I would say doesn't go over well when you lose
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: a lot of football games. Mailbag. Some life advice. This
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: is non-football here. How do you push through in life
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: when your ex-girlfriend of many years moves on, but yet
• 56:14
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• 56:17
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• 56:27
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• 56:31
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• 56:36
  Speaker 1: some feeling toward them, especially if they dumped you. Even
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: if you broke up with them, think about someone, especially
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: if you're talking to years. If you live with them,
• 56:50
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• 56:52
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• 56:57
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• 57:01
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• 57:06
  Speaker 1: things change. The connection is powerful. But in this day
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: and age, if your ex-girlfriend is decent-looking to good-looking, she
• 57:20
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• 57:23
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• 57:27
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• 57:31
  Speaker 1: it ain't going to be difficult. It is going to
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: be much easier for them always when you're younger for
• 57:39
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• 57:44
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• 57:48
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• 57:51
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• 58:57
  Speaker 1: to look. But avoid that as much as humanly possible.
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  Speaker 1: And just start living life. Pour yourself into your job,
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  Speaker 1: your friends, working out, being active, doing stuff. Say yes
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  Speaker 1: to people. get out there and do stuff. Life moves on.
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  Speaker 1: That is also the crazy part about serious relationships. Once
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  Speaker 1: you go your separate ways, as you get older, you
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: look back. She has kids. She has kids. She has kids.
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  Speaker 1: These are married. She's been divorced. It's like life just
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: kind of goes. You know, the son's going to come
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  Speaker 1: up the next day, whether she's out sleeping with someone
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: else or not. If she's over you. And the reality
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: is once, you know, she moves on. And who knows?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, unless she's telling you that she hates you
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  Speaker 1: or she's over you or she doesn't care about you.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe she still has thoughts about you, too. But if
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  Speaker 1: it's true, like you're never getting back together, like you
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  Speaker 1: got to find a way to move on. But to me,
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: the number one thing and I was I kind of
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: came into this world. in college and obviously the since
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: then of social media and face facebook was started when
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: i was a freshman in college or maybe senior in
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: high school but like i i grew up in that
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  Speaker 1: era of like you know you have long-term girlfriends you
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: have uh long distance people and you you know you
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  Speaker 1: break up because of that and you see things and
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  Speaker 1: it's tough it sucks it's And I, you know, you
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  Speaker 1: kind of, I'm lucky to have lived in two eras
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  Speaker 1: where you just know you just have to remove yourself
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  Speaker 1: from it. Because if you stare at it, and if
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: you miss her, and she's canoodling with some dude that,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: it's like, God, does he have a way nicer car
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  Speaker 1: than me? Does he own that house? I mean, you're
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  Speaker 1: going to, it ain't going to be good. So just
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: avoid it. I'm a huge believer in just avoid. If
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: you can. Like, obviously some things in life you can't,
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  Speaker 1: but like, that's an easy one. You're not the first
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  Speaker 1: person to feel that way or go through it. Hey, John.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: The Colts deciding to have a garage sale is getting
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  Speaker 1: all the attention. Rightfully so. I think it's the right move. However,
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  Speaker 1: they don't own their first round pick. The Jets do.
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  Speaker 1: They quietly own three of the top 12 picks right now. Impulsively,
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  Speaker 1: the choice would be to use those picks to select
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  Speaker 1: a quarterback. I think that would be detrimental decision. Look
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  Speaker 1: at those skill guys they have. Wilson, Sadiq, Cooper Jr.,
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  Speaker 1: and Bailey. I say you use those picks and even
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: further bolster the team. Jeremiah Smith is a no-brainer. As
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: a quarterback goes, they should take Sam Darnold the route
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  Speaker 1: and look for a placeholder. I think it's really simple.
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  Speaker 1: If there is a guy that you believe in, you
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  Speaker 1: just put your chips in the middle of the table.
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  Speaker 1: But there is a chance that you could turn over
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  Speaker 1: and get 21 and they could bust, or you could
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  Speaker 1: Especially if you have to trade up, you're doubling down.
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  Speaker 1: You flip over an 11, they give you a 3,
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  Speaker 1: and she gets a 20, and you just lost a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of money. The quarterback situation is never going to
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  Speaker 1: change in the sense of you can't force it. If
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: the hand's dealt to you and you feel good about
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  Speaker 1: it and you really like this player, you like this guy,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: and it's Darian Mensah, it's Mesta Maker, it's Trinidad, then
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: you do it. That's your job. To evaluate this guy,
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  Speaker 1: I think this guy can be a franchise quarterback. But
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: if you don't feel that way and you're like, we
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  Speaker 1: need a quarterback and you go get Anthony Richardson and
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: then you get fired in two years, that's on you.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't think you go into any situation. If
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  Speaker 1: you talk to all these GMs right now, they're evaluating everything.
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  Speaker 1: They're probably some college players they like and don't like,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: but they're open-minded, including, I'm sure, Mugi. He's probably watching
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: all the top guys, knowing he has this ammo. You
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: could also always trade one of those picks for a
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: high-end player that's on the market. I think the best
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: part about having this ammunition is your complete flexibility, which
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: is unlike anything we've ever seen. To have three first-round
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  Speaker 1: picks and then have three again with what looking to
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: be pretty unreal. Okay, we'll end on this. He said,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: I'm a new listener. So I'm sure you've already been
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: asked this. But what was it like being a scout?
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: Do you miss exploring the U.S.? I only worked on
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: the road for one year. It was after, I've told
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: this story before, but Daniel Jeremiah, who's with ESPN NFL
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: Network now, left to do TV. And I took over
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: a spot and did the West Coast. So basically from
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: where I'm sitting right now, Scottsdale, all the way up
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  Speaker 1: to the University of Washington, over to Colorado, to El Paso.
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  Speaker 1: At the time, I was 13, so I'm 28, 29
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  Speaker 1: years old. It was an extremely cool experience. I got
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: paid like 50 grand. You got a big gas stipend.
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  Speaker 1: You get some per diem to eat, and you're just cruising.
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  Speaker 1: I was lucky that year from Lane Kiffin, Chip Kelly,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: Sarkeesian at Washington, Jeff Tedford at Cal, Mike Leach at
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: Washington State, It was a very, very cool experience. It's
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: not something I... It was a one-off deal for me.
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  Speaker 1: After that year, I got into the media stuff and
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: I've never looked back. That year was really cool. Honestly,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: working in the office was more beneficial to... That was
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: just a cool experience exploring the full-on West Coast. I
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: had been to a lot of those places, but driving
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: through Utah, driving through Juarez, Mexico. I mean, I was
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: on the other side. I was on El Paso and
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: seeing Juarez, Mexico. And I'll never forget. I mean, that
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: stretch is like, Jesus. But working in the office was
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: way more beneficial for my career, getting to know the guys,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: having these people in my life still, experiencing the day-to-day
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: grind of– been in college football for a couple years,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: but seeing in the NFL, you know, the grind of Andy,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: how he's wiring, you know, on a daily basis, it's
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: just something that, I don't know, I think I benefit
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: from greatly in this space. From a work ethic standpoint,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, everything's easier. Listen, I mean, I grew up
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: around farmers, guys that work crazy hours. Like, the job
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: I do now is I sometimes I look, I was like,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: this is really my life. It's why I don't take
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: it for granted. I mean, it could, I'm, I'm always
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: kind of on edge. You could end at any moment, but, um, I,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: I think I just, I have a lot of respect
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: for the grind of the profession and the intensity of it.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: But I also like, I, I knew kind of early.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I, I love football, but I'm not addicted
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: to it like these guys. And I think to be,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: to be the best in the business, you gotta be
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: an addict. I would say that about any profession. I'm
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: an addict to this podcast business. It's all I think about,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: which is sometimes unhealthy. I didn't pay attention to anything
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: that she just said because I'm thinking about a take.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: I think to be good at anything in a pressure-packed,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: competitive industry, you've got to have addiction. The best people
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: in football are football addicts. You watch that Saban documentary.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: The guy's addicted to football. Belichick for 50 years in
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: the NFL, Andy, Kyle, McVay. I mean, these guys are
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: all the best GMs. I mean, they eat, breathe, and
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: sleep it. It's like, eh. It was kind of clear,
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  Speaker 1: but I thought I was pretty good at it. I
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: was good at meeting people on the road and getting
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: contacts and getting good information. That came really easy to me.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: And for the most part, I mean, evaluating DBs is hard.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: But I was taught by Pat Hill, who learned from
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: Belichick back in the day. I had a pretty good
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: base of what to look for and what not to
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: look for. I think it was harder trying to make
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: these grandiose statements about people. It's just difficult. You're really
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: evaluating the humans as much as the players. But yeah,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: living in Philly was... One piece of advice I would
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: give to a lot of people... And I don't know
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: if this is still true. It definitely is not. People
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: migrate more now than ever. But if you do have
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: the opportunity to go to college far away and to
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: take a job far away in your 20s when your
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: responsibilities typically are the lowest, you're not connected, you're not married,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: you don't have kids, it can help shape your life
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: for the best. Good and bad. But that's the time
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: to do it. Because I'm never doing that anymore. I'm
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: only moving at this point in time to where I
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: want to go. Unless times get really, really bad and
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: I don't have a choice. But I would say I'm
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: pretty fortunate the way that everything that happened in my
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: 20s allowed me to do stuff in my 30s that
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: allowed me to be where I'm at now in my
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: early 40s. But I would give the number one piece
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: of advice would be take a risk and do something
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: that's a little uncomfortable. Because when I moved to Philly...
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: After Fresno State at like 25 years old. I don't
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: think I'd ever been to the East Coast. I don't
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: think I had. I don't even know. Farthest east I'd...
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: I guess I had been to Kansas City. I guess with...
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: I guess I had been to Jersey with Fresno State.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: We played Rutgers and Greg Sciano. McCourty brothers. They had
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: Kenny Britt. They're actually a pretty good team. Kicked their ass, though.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: And Ryan Matthews, I think, went for like a buck 50. Yeah,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: so my advice would be do uncomfortable things when you're
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: young in whatever field you want to work in. I
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: think you end up looking back later and you're like,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: I'm really glad I did that. Because in college, I
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: went to college with a decent amount of people that
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: I knew growing up. a bunch of people from similar regions.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: It's not like I left. You know, when I have
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: a lot of respect, I know so many people now
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: in the Sacramento area that are sending their kids to
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: the SEC. I'm like, that is badass. What an incredible
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: experience to be like, yeah, I went to, you know, Florida.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: I went to University of Texas. I went to TCU.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: I went to Alabama. I know people go to Alabama, LSU.
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  Speaker 1: I would never, I would have gone to like Cal Poly,
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  Speaker 1: Fresno State, Maybe like Arizona. I was not going far.
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  Speaker 1: And most people I knew were. I can't. It's a
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: completely different world. Maybe because of the internet. It feels
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: less crazy. But I would recommend doing that. Go far away.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: And just fucking let it rip. Adios. The Volume.