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Why Did Ohio State Lose Promising Young Players To The Transfer Portal? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Buckeyes tomorrow morning for Friday, February sixth, I'm
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  Speaker 1: today's show, we're going to be hearing a little bit
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  Speaker 1: about the Ohio State Personnel Department. Mark Pantoni has been
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  Speaker 1: their personnel guru ever since Urban Meyer showed up, and
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  Speaker 1: he has done a phenomenal job through a lot of
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  Speaker 1: very tumultuous years and keeping the talent level where it
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  Speaker 1: is in Columbus, Ohio. He was just on the WOJ podcast,
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  Speaker 1: WOJ the former ESPN basketball insider guy who would drop
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  Speaker 1: those woje bombs. He is now the general manager of
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  Speaker 1: the Saint Bonaventure men's basketball team that is his alma mater,
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  Speaker 1: and he has a podcast as well where he's talking
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  Speaker 1: talking to people about, you know, the program and what
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  Speaker 1: it takes to build a college program. And he just
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  Speaker 1: had Mark Pantonian and Pantoni had some really interesting things
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  Speaker 1: to say. And when I can't get Mark Pantoni on
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  Speaker 1: my podcast, I know who just who to turn to.
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  Speaker 1: It is Tony Gerderman of buckeyehuddle dot com. Tony, Uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think one thing that is has been
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  Speaker 1: a very clear everyone is trying to figure this out.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone's trying to figure out the secret sauce, the you know,
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  Speaker 1: the eleven herbs and spices that Kurt Signetti is using
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  Speaker 1: to make his Indiana football program. And I thought it
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  Speaker 1: was very interesting that they just came right out and
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  Speaker 1: talked about the Indiana model and sort of what they
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  Speaker 1: learned about balancing bringing in guys in high school, bringing
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  Speaker 1: in veterans. You know, what is the big takeaway from
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  Speaker 1: the Indiana model?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think it's interesting that everybody has taken notice
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  Speaker 2: of it and is already like do we change our
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  Speaker 2: plan of attack? How much? How much do we change it?
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  Speaker 2: Because I don't think you can look at Indiana's model
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  Speaker 2: and be like, can't do it? Uh, don't we don't
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  Speaker 2: need to, you know, concern ourselves with that. And so yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they're they're looking at at how how much do you
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  Speaker 2: need to go in that direction? Indiana and Ohio State
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  Speaker 2: operate in different recruiting worlds, but if you ignore what
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  Speaker 2: they've done and how they've done it, like why why
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  Speaker 2: would you ignore that first of all? And so yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you look at the the age of their players, the
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  Speaker 2: the the experience and where that could help you, and
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  Speaker 2: the the reliance the the more reliance upon experience than
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  Speaker 2: untapped potential.
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  Speaker 1: And if you look at the guys at Ohio State
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  Speaker 1: brought in in the portal this year, it's pretty clear
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  Speaker 1: that they are following that recipe to a certain degree.
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  Speaker 1: That was a pretty clear trend line that you didn't
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  Speaker 1: have to look very hard to figure that out. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think everyone is trying to, you know,
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  Speaker 1: figure out which portions of that they need to adapt,
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  Speaker 1: because yeah, Ohio State probably has some things to learn
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  Speaker 1: from Indiana. They do not need to reinvent the wheel.
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  Speaker 1: Ohio State still has still has plenty of things working
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  Speaker 1: for them. But you if you you know, anytime you
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  Speaker 1: can steal a good idea for someone, you know that
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  Speaker 1: is that is always a good idea. One thing that
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  Speaker 1: you know. Another trend that I think was easy to
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  Speaker 1: notice that Pantoni talked about on that show was some
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  Speaker 1: of the guys who were very very talented high school
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  Speaker 1: recruits in the class of twenty twenty five who came in,
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  Speaker 1: played one season and then ended up hitting the portal.
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  Speaker 1: And that was something that I think a lot of
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  Speaker 1: Ohio State fans were very upset at seeing, and you know, understandably,
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  Speaker 1: so you you sort of see these guys come in,
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  Speaker 1: you get all excited, and then they leave before they
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  Speaker 1: really do much of anything. But Pantoni had, you know,
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  Speaker 1: some an interesting explanation as to why that seemed like
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  Speaker 1: it was happening.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, basically, and this was something we talked about on
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  Speaker 2: a recent Buckeye Weekly podcast, where if you've got the
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  Speaker 2: Ohio State name to you like, then that's going to
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  Speaker 2: increase your your your value at least in terms of
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  Speaker 2: how agents will shop you around and just shop you around.
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  Speaker 2: But you also they'll they'll throw the expectations onto players themselves.
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  Speaker 2: Agents will and you're a starter at Ohio State or
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  Speaker 2: you're going to be a starter at Ohio State. This
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  Speaker 2: is what you should command and win. Ohio State, it's like, well,
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  Speaker 2: you haven't done anything. You're not a starter. You've never
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  Speaker 2: been a starter, and starter money starters earn their money.
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  Speaker 2: They're not giving given that money necessarily. And then you
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  Speaker 2: go start and try to start. So that's where there's
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  Speaker 2: some some conflict where Ohio State had to say goodbye
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  Speaker 2: to some players who wanted more because they thought, you know,
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  Speaker 2: well I'm probably gonna start or you know, I feel
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  Speaker 2: like I am, and their agents are telling them that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you're next in line. And so then also
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  Speaker 2: those agents are also shopping those players out to other programs.
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  Speaker 2: That is driving the price up on those and when
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  Speaker 2: you know, a player that left is being the eventually
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  Speaker 2: leaves is being told that you know, an agent is
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  Speaker 2: saying that they're worth this because that's what they can
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  Speaker 2: get on the open market, and Ohio States saying, well,
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  Speaker 2: that's not what you're worth here per se, like that's
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  Speaker 2: we pay on you know what you've done. And so yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they had let let some players walk, and some talented
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  Speaker 2: players left as we saw, because they were convinced they
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  Speaker 2: could get more money elsewhere in. Ohio State was convinced
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  Speaker 2: that they hadn't earned that money yet.
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  Speaker 1: And you can get starter money other places because in
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  Speaker 1: a lot of places you are going to be a
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  Speaker 1: starter year two, even if you're not necessarily going to
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  Speaker 1: be a starter year two at Ohio State, and everyone
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  Speaker 1: else has house settlement money they can give out as well,
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  Speaker 1: and nil money and you know the like true nil
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  Speaker 1: money that everyone has a little bit of a varying
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  Speaker 1: amount there. But every Big ten team is going to
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  Speaker 1: fund to that house limit, and every major conference team
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  Speaker 1: in other leagues is probably going to do the same.
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  Speaker 1: So if you are maybe the second stringer at Ohio State,
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  Speaker 1: but they're going to be the first stringer at your
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  Speaker 1: new home, you can go get more money at your
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  Speaker 1: new home. And that that's you know that pen Toni
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  Speaker 1: talked about the fact that there is a you know,
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  Speaker 1: there is only so much money they have. They do
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  Speaker 1: not have an unlimited printing money printing machine where they
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  Speaker 1: can just give everyone whatever they want to. It is
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  Speaker 1: here's what we got and if that works, great, But
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  Speaker 1: they have you know, they were for years like the
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  Speaker 1: Georgia's and Alabamas and Ohio States. We're able to recruit
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  Speaker 1: a lot off of the NFL development piece and look
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  Speaker 1: we're churning out all these you know, you want us
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  Speaker 1: to get you the league. We will get you to
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  Speaker 1: the league. We have this and this and this that
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  Speaker 1: will help get you there. And now you have a
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  Speaker 1: lot of other schools that can say yes. But what
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  Speaker 1: about money now? And a lot of people are doing
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  Speaker 1: the JG. Wentworth thing and get getting their cash now,
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  Speaker 1: and so that is that's one of the other sort
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  Speaker 1: of complicating factors there. You mentioned agents reaching out Tony
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  Speaker 1: and this was the part I was walking the dog
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  Speaker 1: and I did a yell laugh when he told he
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  Speaker 1: explained this. He was talking about, you know, well, how
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  Speaker 1: do you you know you're getting contacted by people, and
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  Speaker 1: he's hearing from more and more agents, and he's adding
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  Speaker 1: more and more numbers to his phone and hearing from
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  Speaker 1: agents who he's never heard of before. And just explain
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  Speaker 1: the process of so someone's sort of approaching you and saying, hey,
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  Speaker 1: would you be interested in this player? And sometimes getting
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  Speaker 1: approached by more than one person.
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  Speaker 2: I Woades put it. You know, they'll get agents will
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  Speaker 2: text you a list of like ten players, Hey are
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  Speaker 2: you interested in any of these players? And then another
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  Speaker 2: agent will text you and some of those same names
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  Speaker 2: are on his list as well, telling you that the
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  Speaker 2: agents don't really have these players but feel like maybe
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  Speaker 2: I can go get them, or they're just trying to
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  Speaker 2: pad their own, you know, stable of players to make
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  Speaker 2: themselves look more credible, because again, through much of this,
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  Speaker 2: most of this, the credibility is not there. And in fact,
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  Speaker 2: this week you saw the AFCA, the American Football Coaches Association,
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  Speaker 2: send a letter, i think, to the Federal Trade Commission
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  Speaker 2: about wanting to get the college agents included into the
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  Speaker 2: certification laws that are needed that are used in the
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  Speaker 2: NFL and then pro sports and things like that, so
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  Speaker 2: you know they're they're trying to Football coaches are trying
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  Speaker 2: to get this under control with like legitimate agents, while
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  Speaker 2: the gms like Mark Pantoni are dealing with like okay,
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  Speaker 2: who are you again? And you're from what sports? Like
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  Speaker 2: what what random website are you from? Because then you
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  Speaker 2: go and you look at we see we see reporters
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  Speaker 2: now tagging all of these agencies when they're breaking these
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  Speaker 2: news about the transfer portal and it's like per so
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  Speaker 2: and So's agency at whatever, and you'll see tweets where
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  Speaker 2: it's there's there's more about the agency than the player,
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  Speaker 2: which is you know, bizarre and although I guess it's
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  Speaker 2: fitting in this day and age, but then you go
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  Speaker 2: you go to some of these agencies and it's like, man,
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  Speaker 2: it was that that was put together like three weeks ago,
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  Speaker 2: that web site, and it's hey, at least they have one.
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  Speaker 2: I guess is what I what we should say there?
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, a lot of like who are these people?
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  Speaker 2: What are these people? And and then you got to
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  Speaker 2: you know, you can almost have to fact check the
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  Speaker 2: the agents and it's they say it's the wild, wild West.
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  Speaker 2: And I guess like if you just everybody walks into
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  Speaker 2: town with like, you know what, medicine and they're all doctors,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and it's all like, what exactly are you selling?
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  Speaker 2: It's not snake oil. Don't call it snake oil.
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  Speaker 1: It's patent medicine. Tony. And you know what, I have
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  Speaker 1: thrown together a slap dash website or two in my
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  Speaker 1: in my time, I recognize a slapdash website. Yeah, you
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  Speaker 1: can find some slap dash websites out there, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: One that is not slapdash is Buckeye huddle dot com.
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  Speaker 1: That's where Tony and I have been talking about a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of this stuff and explaining a bunch of this
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  Speaker 1: stuff to our members for the last several weeks two months,
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  Speaker 1: and I had a member of saying, boy, this is
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  Speaker 1: this sounds a lot like some of the stuff that
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  Speaker 1: Tom and Tony have been talking about. It's like son
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  Speaker 1: of a gun? What a coincidence that is? How about that?
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  Speaker 1: So you want to talk to us about that and more,
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  Speaker 1: you can do that at bucke huddle dot com. You
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  Speaker 1: want to watch us talk about that stuff, if you
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  Speaker 1: can do that at YouTube dot com slash buckey Huddle.
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  Speaker 1: You want to hear us talk about that stuff. It's
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  Speaker 1: gonna sound a lot like the youtubees, but it is great.
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  Speaker 1: That'll do it for today. Thank you guys all for
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  Speaker 1: joining us. Have a great day. We'll talk to tomorrow.