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Bengals Booth Podcast: I'm Alive · Bengals Booth Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading
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  Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast. The Whoa I'm a Love addition.
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  Speaker 1: As Joe Flacco looks to lead the Bengals to their
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  Speaker 1: second straight win and even their record at four and four.
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  Speaker 1: As they host the New York Jets Coming Up, Kay
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  Speaker 1: Adams explains why she's convinced that the Bengals are going
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  Speaker 1: to the playoffs. Amrius Mims joins me to discuss his
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  Speaker 1: quest to dominate and trying to find a pair of
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  Speaker 1: gloves that fit. And in this week's Know the Faux Segment,
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  Speaker 1: beat writer Rich Sumini tells us if the Jets are
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  Speaker 1: better than their zero to seven record. The Bengals Booth
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  Speaker 1: since parabolic microphones. When you watch an NFL game on TV,
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  Speaker 1: do you marvel at how well you can hear the
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  Speaker 1: quarterback bark out signals. There are a couple of reasons
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  Speaker 1: why the audio is crystal clear. One, they put microphones
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  Speaker 1: in some of the linemen's pads. Those are the only
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  Speaker 1: micd up players that are heard live during a game.
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  Speaker 1: And two, there are people standing on the sideline holding
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  Speaker 1: parabolic mics. Those are the ones that look like little
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  Speaker 1: satellite dishes. I bring this up after making a cool
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  Speaker 1: discovery last week after the Thursday Night Went Over Pittsburgh.
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  Speaker 1: Zach Taylor was praising Joe Flacco for how quickly he's
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  Speaker 1: picked things up despite some communication issues.
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  Speaker 2: I have to nunciate my formations better because some of
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  Speaker 2: them we're hearing him for the first time, and so
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  Speaker 2: I got to do a better job nunciating. Thanks my
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  Speaker 2: Olcahoma accent got him a couple of times, but I
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  Speaker 2: thought he did a great job manager.
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  Speaker 3: In the game.
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  Speaker 1: Zach wasn't kidding. I always listened back to part of
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  Speaker 1: the game broadcast to critique my work and I picked
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  Speaker 1: up on something that I didn't catch during the live broadcast.
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  Speaker 1: And now we've got a time out called by Cincinnati
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  Speaker 1: when it was first intent at the Pittsburgh forty six.
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  Speaker 1: Did you catch that at the end? I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: play it again but tweak the audio a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: And now we've got a time out called by Cincinnati
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  Speaker 1: when it was first intent at the Pittsburgh forty six.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks to one of those parabolic microphones, you could clearly
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  Speaker 1: hear Flacco tell Zach to enunciate the formation. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think it really had anything to do with the Oklahoma accent,
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  Speaker 1: just the difficulty of trying to repeat wordy play calls
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  Speaker 1: that he's still in the process of learning.
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  Speaker 4: There's certain things with formations and things like that that
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  Speaker 4: you're hearing for the first couple times, and even though
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  Speaker 4: you've read the play a million times, like when you
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  Speaker 4: hear it, it just wasn't hitting my brain right. So
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  Speaker 4: there was a few of those, and we were joking
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  Speaker 4: on the sideline like any time that happened, and we
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  Speaker 4: broke the play and we broke the huddle, and it
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  Speaker 4: was like, I don't know if we're right here. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: that play hit so we got lucky tonight in that says.
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  Speaker 1: And we got lucky that a parabolic mic picked up
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of audio that helped us understand what
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  Speaker 1: the coach at his quarterback we're talking about. Now, let's
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  Speaker 1: get to my first guest. She is the host of
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  Speaker 1: up In Adams and not shy about expressing her fondness
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  Speaker 1: for our Cincinnati Bengal. She has a Bengals fan favorite,
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  Speaker 1: our friend Kay Adams k Last Friday morning, after the
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  Speaker 1: exciting win over the Pittsburgh Steelers, you said on your
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  Speaker 1: show and I quote the Bengals are going to the
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  Speaker 1: playoffs cemented. Were you caught up in the excitement or
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  Speaker 1: are you still just as confident?
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  Speaker 5: I am just as if not more confident. I like
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  Speaker 5: their schedule coming up. I loved that game. I loved
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  Speaker 5: the second half with Flaco and his debut with an
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  Speaker 5: Inner Division rival from his former stop the week before.
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  Speaker 5: I'm very confident. I still really am. I think with
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  Speaker 5: the division looking like what it looks like, with the
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  Speaker 5: landscape of the AFC as a whole, Dan, and great
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  Speaker 5: to see you and thanks for having me. I believe
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  Speaker 5: in the opportunity ahead of the squad if they beat
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  Speaker 5: the Jets and the Steelers lose to Green Bay in
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  Speaker 5: Week eight, which is a fun little Sunday night cap
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  Speaker 5: on Week eight, the Aaron Rodgers revenge game against his
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  Speaker 5: former squad. If the Chargers lose to kick off Week
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  Speaker 5: eight against the Vikings at home at so Far, then
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  Speaker 5: these Bengals are Bengals dan Or suddenly a half game
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  Speaker 5: back of both the AFC North lead, I believe, and
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  Speaker 5: a wildcard spot. So all of these teams fighting for
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  Speaker 5: playoff positioning right now, they all have problems.
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  Speaker 6: You know, do we miss Joe Burrow? Yes, but we're holding.
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  Speaker 1: It down all right. Let's turn the clock back about
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  Speaker 1: two weeks. You get the notification that the Bengals have
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  Speaker 1: traded for Joe Flacco. What was your initial reaction.
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  Speaker 5: If I'm being totally honest and I wanted Jamis. I
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  Speaker 5: was campaigning for Jamis as even in that, you know,
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  Speaker 5: I was putting up the phone gifts and posting those
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  Speaker 5: on Twitter. I wanted that. I wasn't loving what I
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  Speaker 5: was seeing from Flaco in Cleveland, but him coming here
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  Speaker 5: clearly a perfect fit. Clearly it's ignited something in him
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  Speaker 5: getting to throw to Jamar and te has done something
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  Speaker 5: to him. I like how he was talking I believe
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  Speaker 5: to Ruler of the Jungle, Andrew Whitworth and Ryan Fitzpatrick.
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  Speaker 5: But he really cares what these young, thriving, amazing receivers
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  Speaker 5: think of him. I liked watching like he still got
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  Speaker 5: something he wants him to think. He's cool, that he's viable,
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  Speaker 5: that he's the guy, and everybody, I can just tell
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  Speaker 5: from outside looking at it. I'm very far in LA,
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  Speaker 5: but everyone's buying into the Flacco experience right now. And
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  Speaker 5: what more could you ask for to keep your hopes alive?
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  Speaker 5: So Burrow gets back.
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  Speaker 1: The last six quarters that he's played have been remarkable.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think anybody could have anticipated he would play
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  Speaker 1: this Well. What do you find most remarkable about what
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  Speaker 1: he's doing?
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  Speaker 5: Dan, He's just letting it rip, you know, like there's
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  Speaker 5: this looseness to him, which I appreciate very much. I
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  Speaker 5: feel like, you know, just look at that zone read right,
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  Speaker 5: he's doing it. I think the other sort of remarkable thing,
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  Speaker 5: and this is respectfully saying this, like he's not turning
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  Speaker 5: the ball over, and I really do think that's the
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  Speaker 5: biggest thing. And we're watching him get the ball out
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  Speaker 5: really fast. Which is nice. He did a great job.
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  Speaker 5: The O line did a great job on Thursday Night
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  Speaker 5: as well. He didn't really give the Steelers tons of
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  Speaker 5: chances to get to him, which I thought was remarkable.
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  Speaker 5: So I would say I would say that, but I
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  Speaker 5: think more than anything, just like the looseness that he's
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  Speaker 5: playing with, I think has been really fun to watch
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  Speaker 5: and meaningful.
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  Speaker 1: So the dream scenario is that Flacco wins his share
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  Speaker 1: of games and then in mid December, Joe Burrow comes
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  Speaker 1: back and he looks great and he leads the Bengals
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  Speaker 1: to the postseason. And once he's in the playoffs, we
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  Speaker 1: all know what can happen. Under what circumstances should Joe
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  Speaker 1: Burrow return?
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  Speaker 5: Gosh, it's a great question, and I'm glad that I'm
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  Speaker 5: not the one that has to decide these things. I'm
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  Speaker 5: sure Borrow is the kind of quarterback you're going to
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  Speaker 5: have to like rein in and have a negotiation with
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  Speaker 5: and talk about it and protect him, of course. But
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  Speaker 5: I would say, and I'll say it quite plainly, oh
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  Speaker 5: my gosh, de summer, if they're within like even two
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  Speaker 5: games of a playoff spot, Bengals fans, right.
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  Speaker 6: You have to go for it.
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  Speaker 1: So a few days after the Pittsburgh game on your show,
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  Speaker 1: you said, this is sustainable if the offensive line plays
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  Speaker 1: like that. Is that the biggest key or is there
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  Speaker 1: anything else for the Bengals to keep I think it.
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  Speaker 6: Is the O line.
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  Speaker 5: I believe that not just protecting Joe of course when
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  Speaker 5: he's out there, Flacco until he's out there, but really
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  Speaker 5: just getting a run game going was massive. I don't
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  Speaker 5: break down the All twenty two, and I don't understand
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  Speaker 5: why all of a sudden we were able to get
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  Speaker 5: it going right. I haven't really looked into it, but
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  Speaker 5: like the best rushing performance I've seen out of this
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  Speaker 5: team in a couple of seasons. Right. I don't think
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  Speaker 5: it's unreasonable to expect that we know how great of
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  Speaker 5: a player and a talent Orlando Brown can be. He
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  Speaker 5: looked like the optimal version of himself on Thursday. I
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  Speaker 5: don't know why.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know why.
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  Speaker 5: Amarus Mims looked like the full expression of the first
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  Speaker 5: round talent that he know he is up against the
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  Speaker 5: best in the game, potentially right in TJ.
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  Speaker 1: Watt.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if it was just the experience, maybe
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  Speaker 5: the being, Maybe it was Andrew Ruitworth. I don't know,
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  Speaker 5: maybe it was him coming back rallying this offensive line
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  Speaker 5: to sort of looking like what we know they can be.
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  Speaker 5: And it's been frustrating about the O line at points
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  Speaker 5: to not see that, you know, but Ted bringing it everybody.
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  Speaker 5: It's not that this team doesn't have the talent. So yes,
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  Speaker 5: that's what the key is and we know that they
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  Speaker 5: can do it. We saw it on Thursday. They've got
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  Speaker 5: to do it against the Jets.
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  Speaker 1: The defense has been opportunistic. They got a couple of
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  Speaker 1: key interceptions in the game off Aaron Rodgers last Thursday night,
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  Speaker 1: but they are giving up thirty point six a game.
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  Speaker 1: Is the reason to believe that this defense can significantly improve.
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  Speaker 5: Up in Adams today, I did my every week I
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  Speaker 5: do on Wednesdays under reactions. What are the little stories
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  Speaker 5: we aren't maybe talking about enough? And I talked a
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  Speaker 5: lot about DJ Turner and he's not being talked about.
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  Speaker 5: And I think it's a very like you know, sports
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  Speaker 5: media loves a lazy narrative. We don't want something gets
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  Speaker 5: labeled on someone. It's like a tattoo instead of a
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  Speaker 5: week two week evolution or ability to sort of progress
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  Speaker 5: beyond what that is and everyone just says, Oh, the
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  Speaker 5: Bengals defense sucks, just sucks. They can't do it. No,
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  Speaker 5: Like DJ Turner sort of gives me confidence in this.
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  Speaker 5: I think he's he stands in the face of that
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  Speaker 5: because he's been a top three corner this year really
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  Speaker 5: by every metric. And I'll put you know, you can
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  Speaker 5: go look at up and down as I had. I
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  Speaker 5: have all the numbers up earlier this morning, and there
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  Speaker 5: have been signs of improvement that we should have our
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  Speaker 5: hats on over the past couple of weeks. Right, the
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  Speaker 5: Packers is dealers and that's without Trey in the lineup.
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  Speaker 6: So I'm in.
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  Speaker 5: I'm interested to see what it looks like when trade
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  Speaker 5: does get back, which I hope is someday.
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  Speaker 6: You tell me him, is it coming back some day?
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  Speaker 1: I think so. I'm optimistic. So, speaking of Trey, you
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  Speaker 1: had boomeris I Sin on your show recently. You two
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  Speaker 1: discussed the possibility of trading Trey Hendrickson and we're less
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  Speaker 1: than two weeks away from the trade deadline. Where do
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  Speaker 1: you stand on trading trade?
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  Speaker 5: Bengals fan's really upset with me on this one because
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  Speaker 5: and I was the one I was very much pushing
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  Speaker 5: the agenda of get him back in here, signed him.
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  Speaker 5: He's a game breaker game and he is, he's wor
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  Speaker 5: you know, he's worth a long term deal.
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  Speaker 6: That's what my opinion has been.
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  Speaker 5: But you also have to be able to and this
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  Speaker 5: is what makes being a front office so tough. You know,
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  Speaker 5: these decisions that you have to make for right now,
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  Speaker 5: given the opportunity ahead of you, and what the complexion
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  Speaker 5: of the AFC looks like, and then also building for
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  Speaker 5: your future and what that might look like. So I
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  Speaker 5: would say this, if the Bengals had lost to the
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  Speaker 5: Steelers last Friday night, I would be talking about trading,
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  Speaker 5: not campaigning for it. But I'd be open to the discussion,
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  Speaker 5: which is, any responsible fan should be able to think
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  Speaker 5: at a first round or back like you have to
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  Speaker 5: have from the Colts or the Niners, like you know,
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  Speaker 5: given the fact that he doesn't have a long term
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  Speaker 5: deal done, that's a conversation and a phone call that
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  Speaker 5: the Bengals would have to pick up the phone for that.
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  Speaker 5: I would expect them to do their due diligence. So
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  Speaker 5: if they had lost, I would have been barking up
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  Speaker 5: that tree of what does that look like? How interesting
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  Speaker 5: that might be. And I will say this if they
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  Speaker 5: lose somehow, which they won't, if they were to lose
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  Speaker 5: to the Jets this week, if they were to lose
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  Speaker 5: next week, which I also again want to say, like
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  Speaker 5: I don't think that will happen, Yeah, then I will
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  Speaker 5: be engaging in that those hypotheticals yet again. But if
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  Speaker 5: they beat the Jets, I think it's dead. I think
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  Speaker 5: that that idea is dead.
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  Speaker 1: You just said they're not going to lose this week,
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  Speaker 1: but the Jets come to town winless. They have the
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  Speaker 1: desperation factor on their side. What must the Bengals do
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  Speaker 1: to avoid losing to a team that's struggling and looking
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  Speaker 1: for its first win.
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  Speaker 5: It is scary, right, like there's nothing I always say,
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  Speaker 5: there's nothing scared, and like somebody has nothing to lose.
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  Speaker 5: They just want to grec shop and be a pain
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  Speaker 5: in the butt. I think for this one, I was
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  Speaker 5: so impressed by, Like Chase, we find you know when
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  Speaker 5: I was there, when I last saw you, it was
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  Speaker 5: he's about to have like a breakout breakout, You're like
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  Speaker 5: national level breakout here, and then we saw that on
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  Speaker 5: Thursday night.
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  Speaker 6: Can we do that again? Can we keep this run
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  Speaker 6: game going.
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  Speaker 5: You can't put it all on Flacco, as fun as
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  Speaker 5: he is, and it's fun as great as these wide
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  Speaker 5: receivers are. I don't think that the Bengals or any
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  Speaker 5: team can win consistently with that kind of a recipe.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 6: The Jets offense, they.
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  Speaker 5: Don't have a lot of juice, but you know you
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  Speaker 5: can't give them short fields and turnovers and mistakes. So
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  Speaker 5: I would say, run the ball as much as possible.
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  Speaker 1: All right, A couple more things for our friend k Adams.
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  Speaker 1: You're a native of Chicago, and you broke news of
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  Speaker 1: sorts on your show recently when Chris Collins Earth was
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  Speaker 1: your guest. I was stunned. Chris told you that Michael Jordan,
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  Speaker 1: the Michael Jordan grew up a Cincinnati Bengals fan. As
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  Speaker 1: a Chicago person, what was your reaction.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I felt bad for Bears fans. I felt
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  Speaker 5: bad for Panthers fans like you could you know where
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  Speaker 5: he's from, Look, you could use like some love for
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  Speaker 5: Michael Jordan and those as. I was just as stunned
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  Speaker 5: as everyone, And I don't know if I believe it right.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think we can believe it until we hear
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  Speaker 5: it from the goat himself, So like I can text
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  Speaker 5: Mike Turco and say, next time you have a little
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  Speaker 5: fireside chat, you should ask him about it. It's very
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  Speaker 5: interesting until I hear Michael Jordan himself help say it.
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  Speaker 6: Then who knows?
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  Speaker 5: If I think they're on the golf course like Dan,
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  Speaker 5: was he just trolling Collinsworth?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. But Chris isn't one to just conjure
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  Speaker 1: these things up.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not.
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  Speaker 6: I don't doubt that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah that Michael said it to Chris well.
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  Speaker 5: Like so, but have you ever seen an Icky Woods shuffle?
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  Speaker 5: Have you ever seen the shuffle on the in the nineties.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't see Michael ever do that? Do I think
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  Speaker 5: that like Michael had a boomers ice and poster in
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  Speaker 5: the like, I don't know. I've never heard of such
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  Speaker 5: a thing. There's nothing that correlates it. So I think
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  Speaker 5: we can get the answer, hopefully from Tarico. But yeah,
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  Speaker 5: Panthers and Bears fans and shambles over.
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  Speaker 7: That for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Trico's a college buddy of mine, so I am texting
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  Speaker 1: him immediately to try to get to the bottom of
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  Speaker 1: this final thing. For Kay Adams you mentioned recently, that
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  Speaker 1: there's at least a thought in your mind of coming
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  Speaker 1: to town for Bengals Bears. Is that a realistic possibility?
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  Speaker 7: Dan?
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  Speaker 5: When is that date? What is the date on that game?
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  Speaker 1: That is a week from Sunday? So that is the
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  Speaker 1: next home game after they beat the Jets this week, a.
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  Speaker 5: Week from Sunday, let's see, So that would be the
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  Speaker 5: twenty that would be the second.
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  Speaker 6: I'm going to be in Chicago. It is not a
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  Speaker 6: far drove.
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  Speaker 5: Right, five four four five five flights into Cincinnati are brutal.
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  Speaker 5: Let's just call it what it is there, but maybe
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  Speaker 5: not from Chicago.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not putting. Was it an early afternoon.
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  Speaker 1: Game, one o'clock game.
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  Speaker 5: I'm just going to say seventy five percent chance tonight.
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  Speaker 1: That I ah.
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  Speaker 6: But if I go, I want the red carpet rolled out.
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  Speaker 1: That's I can guarantee red carpet.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know if they're up.
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  Speaker 5: For that, but if they, if the Bengals want to
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  Speaker 5: invite me, I would go. Let's just put it like that.
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  Speaker 5: I about that Bengals dot Com because want.
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  Speaker 6: Me to come.
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  Speaker 1: I'm there, all right. The challenge has been issued to
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  Speaker 1: Bengals dot Com. I think we'll roll out the red carpet.
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  Speaker 1: I know I will participate in a red carpet rollout
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  Speaker 1: in hopes of seeing you at pay Course Stadium. This
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  Speaker 1: is always a treat. Appreciate this so much. Hope to
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  Speaker 1: see you a week from Sunday.
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  Speaker 5: Dan, you were such a professional. Thank you for having
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  Speaker 5: me an honor as always Gooday.
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  Speaker 1: I have reached out to my buddy Mike Turko, who
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: is doing segments with Michael Jordan for NBC's coverage of
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: the NBA, and maybe when Mike and Chris Collinsworth broadcast
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: the Thanksgiving Night Bengals Ravens game, we'll see a SoundBite
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: from Michael Jordan confirming that he was a Bengals fan
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: growing up. In last week's went over Pittsburgh, the offense
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: finished with a season high four hundred and seventy yards,
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: one twenty more than any previous game, and there was
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: balance three hundred twenty eight passing yards and one forty
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: two on the ground. The offensive line deserves a big
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: pat on the back, and I caught up this week
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: with right tackle a Marius Mims Amrius. You faced MICHAEH
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: Parsons a couple of weeks ago. He had no saxon,
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: no quarterback hit, sending a streak of eleven straight games
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: where he had one or the other. He faced TJ.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: Watt last week. You were on the verge of holding
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: him without a sack, and then with about four minutes
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: to go, he and Cam Hayward combined to get one
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: where you ticked off that you almost made it through
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: the game without allowing him to get to the QB.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: Yes, sir, but then again, like I said, man playing
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: as a guy who's like I said, who's experience, who's
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: been around the league a long time. You know, all
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: you can do is, like I said, do your best
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: to try to limit him as much as possible. And
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: I feel like we did a good job of doing that.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: But also too, I'll try to be perfect. I have
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: a perfect game. That's kind of impossible, Like no one's
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: gonna have a perfect game. He's a great player, So
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: credit to him for you know, him and Cam getting
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: to get that sack. But and like reality, yes, I
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: would love to have shut him out and not get
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: like giving up a sack. Like I said, no pressures
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: and stuff happened just because, like I said, he's a
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: ball player. You know, he has he has a great game,
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: and you know, things happen. But yeah, man, like it's
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: hot in me like thinking about it still, but also too,
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: I know I got to move on and just learn
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: from those mistakes. I know I'll see him again, and
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: like I said, I'm in a division where I play
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: them twice, so we'll see each other a lot. And yeah,
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: I think about it as still like dang, what if?
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: What if? What if? But it happened, something I can
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: learn from, something I can move past, and you know,
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: try to get better from.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Dan Pitture said he thought it was your best game.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Did you feel that way in certain areas?
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: Like I said, I do feel like each week as
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: it continues, I feel like I might like my game's
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: evolving just because like I'm just on another level of
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: just like like locked in and just you know, I'm
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: figuring out what I'm doing wrong very fast and like
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: two Instead of like getting to the point where coaches
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: are telling me what I'm doing wrong, I'm going to
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: them with information that I would like what I know
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: I did wrong and like how to fix it. So,
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: like I said, I'm just taking the next step of
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: just like being you know, being a pro and just
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: like diagnosing my film and just realizing, you know, like
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: I can do better on this play right here, and
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: I can go talk to coach of like what should
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: I do right here in the situation or how can
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: I do that better? So that's just me becoming a
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: you know, like I said, a better pro and just
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: to you know, learn from mistakes faster than you know
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: last year self correction.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: It's a huge step, I.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: Would think, like I said, just knowing what you did
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: wrong first and just being accountable and just be like, yeah, coach,
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: that's on me, and just you know, taking that on
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: the chin and just you know, how can I keep
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: getting better? For this is a long season count preseason
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: and regular season, that's twenty games each week, you just
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: have to die. You just have to basically dive in
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: and just be honest with yourself. And I've been honest
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: with myself and just realizing that though you know, although
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: I may have had a good game, but I know
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: there's more left than I know I can play better.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: So that's a natural segue to this because in training camp,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: your offensive line coach Scott Peters said the following he
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: was talking about your great physical gifts and he said,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: you have to be greedy about how good you want
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: to be. It's not good enough to block people. You
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: have to dominate them. Is that the approach you're taking?
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: What you just said, Man, Scott talk about it all
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: the time, and it's just you know, I can win
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: a rep easy, I feel like, but can I dominate
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: that rep? Can that be teach tape like a teach
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: tape rep? And That's what I'm working towards. You know,
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: I see a lot of guys who who we show
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: a lot of, just like around the league, just the Pinasus,
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: the Lane Johnson's and the Trent Williams. You know how
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: they have those big splash plays and all that good stuff.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: And those guys have been around the league for a minute,
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: and you know, I want to get to that point
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: when they around you're four or five and just like
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: trying to build those habits now, so you know, it
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: just comes natural.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: We're chatting with the Marius Mems. I'm no expert in
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: offensive line play, but when I hear Scott Peters talk,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: it sounds a little bit different to me. Is it
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: different from the way you've been coached before?
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: Yes, it's different in the whole scheme and just the
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: whole body movements and the whole basically technique technique stuff.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: I think it's a good thing, just like learning new stuff,
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: because now you have a bigger toolbox to you know,
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: like to basically to use and you know, out there
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: with guys who are great athletes themselves. So I feel
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: like the more you like, the more you expand your toolbox,
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: the more you can like you know, dive into the
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: game and get like a deeper understanding. And then he's
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: done a great job and just explain those new techniques
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: to us, because like I said, it's a whole new
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: technique from what we were doing last year. So I
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: feel like he's done a good job and just harping
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: on just like getting better at those techniques, so we
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: can you know, build our basically way we call the toolbox,
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: So we can build our toolbox and just go out
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: there and you know, play more free, but also play
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: with more technique and play more technically sound.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Ted Carris was miked up during the game last week,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: and we could hear him say over and over again,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: me and you mimsy, me and you mimsy. Describe your
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: relationship with Ted and what you respect about him.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: I just respect like the man he is and how
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: he comes to work every day being the same guy
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: I get. I'm gonna know, I'm gonna get the same
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: ted every day. And then too, I feel like he's
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: a great leader. He leads our team. I don't care
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: what anybody say. He's one of the best. Like I said,
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: best humans and best leaders I've been around my whole life.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: And like I said, as if you see how hard
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: he practices through pain and all, and just like I've
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: never seen him like really take a rep off. It's
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: just it's just like doesn't happen. And that's something you like,
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: you want him the leader, and like it's something I
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: respect honestly, and I would want to one to throw
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: a wall for that guy. So it's like he leaves
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: us in the in the meeting rooms, he leaves us
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: in the walkthroughs, he leaves us out the tunnel, he
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: leaves us in everything. So I mean, I respect him,
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: I respect him as a man. As a teammate, you know,
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: I'm just glad to be his team. Like I said,
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: I always got your back when he was on pat
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: the last one was gonna go win the game. And
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: feeling like you got my back. I was like, kind
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: of question is that you know that?
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Come on now, imri issue recently turned twenty three. You're
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: in your second NFL season, and yet on this offensive
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: line right now, you're something of a vet. The guards
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: are both rookies or at least in some games still
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Unfairchild and Jalen Rivers have both started. Do you feel
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: like the three of you can be the nucleus of
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: this offensive line for years to come?
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: I do. I do feel that way, and I know
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: I try. I trusted the like I said Zach, I
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: trusted coach Pitch. I trust trusting MO line coach, and
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: I trusted everybody like putting a good play together to
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: develop that like I said, we have. I feel like
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: we have a good old line from left to right tackle.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: And it's just a matter of, like, you know, can
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: those young guys step up and be what they are?
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: You know? And like I said, I'm one of those
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: young guys. And it's just we just have to just
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: basically put in our mind every day that like we
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: want to get better and continue to get better so
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: we can like earn the respect of our peers who
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: who who've like been there and done that, and they like, Okay,
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: those guys are ready. Those guys could be the next
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: guys to come over and take over the Bengals for
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: the next five to ten years, however long it is.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: So you know, that's something I continue to work on
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: every day and I continue to ask myself like that
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: I do enough today, and then you know that I like,
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: do I do enough to you know, like, Okay, I
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: know MAM's gonna give us one hundred percent, you know,
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: this game or this play, however it is. And I
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: want to be, you know, known for that. I really,
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: I really do believe, like I said me Dylan and Jalen,
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: can you know, be the future of this whole line.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: I really do believe that.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: What's impressed you about your new old quarterback everything?
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: Man, he's just a pro. He's been around the block,
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: He's done it. It's just crazy how patient, how calm is.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: Nothing seems to overwhelm him. It's just like when I
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: just I just look at it like this one and
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: walkthroughs and wearing wear in a huddle, it's almost like
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: you know, Coach Jack is giving him the play call,
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: but it's almost like I know it already, like before
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: he gets done with it, he spits it out before
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: he can get done, and just like like I look
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: at it as a big deal. Some people like just whatever,
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: but I look at it like this dude are bad.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: He cares. He like he studies, and he like he's
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: a he's like he's trying to master the game. And
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: he's the one that has probably mastered the game because
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: he's seen everything. He's seen every look possible. I feel
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: like eighteen years in the league, there's nothing you haven't seen.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: There's not a formation you haven't been in, There's not
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: a play you haven't ran. So he came in the
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: league when I was four years old, so I grew
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: I grew up watching him, so like that was like
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: Ravens in the I'm just being honest with I grew
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: up watching him in Big Ben go at It and
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: that was like the game, always like watching. So it's
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: just crazy being in the Hoddle like you know him,
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: like him being my quarterback, and it's like, you know,
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: it's like almost like I'm living in the dream still.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: So we like, like I said, we're rolling with him,
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: and you know, I'm just I'm just glad to be
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: a part of it. Man, I'm just glad to you know,
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: I can go out here and take them on Sundays,
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: Mondays and Thursdays whatever we play.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: So you know, all right, it Sunday this week the
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Jets are oh and seven. That the only winless team
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: in the league. It's human nature to assume that the
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Bengals are going to win the game. How do you
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: ensure that you and everybody else in that locker room
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: does not take the opponent lightly?
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: Man, Never take an opponent of the NFL likely. Man, I
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: know that. I know from just being an office alnement.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Just like knowing the guys they have on defense. Man,
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: they have one of the best, if not the best
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: d tackling the NFL. Quinn Williams. Everybody know that name.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: They got will McDonald, Jermaine Johnson, all those guys on there.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: Those are three or their four guys on the starting
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: the D line or for a first round picks for
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: a reason. So, like I said, I respect them, I
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: respect the old defense. I respect the team. Like I said,
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: they may have came up short some games, but like
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: I said, that's that's a that's a dang good football team.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: I don't care if you if you're if you're an NFL,
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: I don't care who you're playing, no matter what the
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: record is. Never take a team likely. Man. That's the
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: That's how you go out there and your beat and
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: our approach is the same every week. Go out there
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: with the same mentality to win mentality. And that's what
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: we're gonna do. Man, We're gonna go out there with
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: the same mentality. And you know, like I said, hopefully,
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: well play clean, clean four quarter game and you know,
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: hopefully we can get to win. But you know we're
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: we're treating this like we treated it last week and
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: just going out their head down, you know, practicing hard
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: and just no matter the record, just go out there
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: and play winning football.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: I'm Marius. I noticed something in the Thursday night game.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: You were wearing gloves. Did you finally find gloves that
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: are big enough for those massive hands?
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: Say this, they're not big enough. But they're five X gloves.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: They're not big enough. But if I take the edges
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: of where they're like the crack of my hand is,
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: you can't tell. So but yes, I am wearing gloves now,
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: but no, they're not big enough. So if somebody makes
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: some six gloves some six X gloves out there. Please
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: let me know because five exes are not working.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: You weren't wearing gloves the week before against Green Day.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Was this the first time?
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Yes, the first time I wore gloves really since it
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: got like last year I wore one of them broke
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: my hand. But other than that, yeah, that's the first
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: time I wore glove.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Appreciate your time. Enjoy those almost big enough.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: Gloves, Yes, sir, I appreciate it.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: In case you're wondering, MIM's hands were measured at eleven
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: and a quarter inches at last year's combine, the largest
• 26:59
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• 27:24
  Speaker 1: the New York Jets on Sunday, a team that's still
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: looking for its first win under new head coach Aaron Glenn.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Earlier this week, Jets owner Woody Johnson defended his coach
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: and ripped his quarterback justin Fields, what's.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: Your confidence level?
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: And Aaron to turn it around?
• 27:44
  Speaker 8: It looks like he's turning around parts of it.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 27:47
  Speaker 8: It's hard when you have a quarterback with you know, okay,
• 27:50
  Speaker 8: with a rating that we've got, you know is I
• 27:54
  Speaker 8: mean he has stability, but something just.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: Is not jibing.
• 27:58
  Speaker 8: But if you look at any head coach of the
• 28:00
  Speaker 8: quarterback like that, you're going to see similar results if
• 28:02
  Speaker 8: you will across the league.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: You have to play.
• 28:04
  Speaker 8: Consistently at that position, and that's what we're going to
• 28:10
  Speaker 8: try to do.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: In the remainder of the season.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: So someone gives you hope, then send you a home.
• 28:15
  Speaker 8: I just think defense special teams are doing better. Defense
• 28:18
  Speaker 8: is pretty good. But we can just complete a pass,
• 28:23
  Speaker 8: it would look good.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Yikes. Fields was benched at halftime last week in favor
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: of thirty six year old Tyrod Taylor, and neither QB
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: was able to lead the team to a touchdown and
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: a thirteen to six loss to Carolina. So who will
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: start on Sunday again, Cincinnati? We put that question to
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: my former Syracuse University classmate Rich Semini, who covers the
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Jets for ESPN, when he joined Dave Lapham and me
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: on the Bengals Game Plan show.
• 28:54
  Speaker 7: I think it'll be Tyrod Taylor. You know that was
• 28:57
  Speaker 7: the indications I was getting yesterday. I think I'm sure
• 29:01
  Speaker 7: you guys know Aeron Glenn did not announce that today.
• 29:03
  Speaker 7: He's playing the coach game. You know, he's doing the
• 29:07
  Speaker 7: old competitive advantage, trying to keep the Bengals in the
• 29:11
  Speaker 7: dark as long as possible. They split the practice reps
• 29:14
  Speaker 7: today from what I've been told, But I'd be shocked
• 29:18
  Speaker 7: if on Sunday Tyrod Taylor is not the quarterback. I
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: think they're trending in that direction.
• 29:26
  Speaker 9: So is it all quarterback play? I mean, the reason
• 29:30
  Speaker 9: that Jets have not won a football game yet and
• 29:32
  Speaker 9: staring at an oh and seven record, has it been
• 29:35
  Speaker 9: the quarterback play has been that ineffective? Or is it
• 29:40
  Speaker 9: a combination of man we have not supported the quarterback either.
• 29:44
  Speaker 9: I mean, there's no position group on the football team
• 29:47
  Speaker 9: that can raise their hand and say we're doing our job.
• 29:51
  Speaker 9: We're playing as effectively and efficiently as we as we
• 29:54
  Speaker 9: could and should. Is it a group effort in terms
• 29:57
  Speaker 9: of do you own seven mark or is it more
• 30:00
  Speaker 9: or on the quarterback play?
• 30:02
  Speaker 7: Well, if you ask the owner, Woody Johnson, he would
• 30:04
  Speaker 7: say it's the quarterback play. He basically threw Justin Fields
• 30:08
  Speaker 7: under the bus yesterday when we approached him at the
• 30:11
  Speaker 7: league meetings, and he, you know, he just really dumped
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: on Fields, which I mean what he said was not untrue.
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: I mean, Fields is not having a good year. This
• 30:21
  Speaker 7: team has gone They've only scored six touchdowns in the
• 30:24
  Speaker 7: last six games, and so they are really really struggling offensively.
• 30:29
  Speaker 7: So yeah, I would say quarterback plays a big part
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  Speaker 7: of it. But early in the year, for the first
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  Speaker 7: five games, the defense was horrible. I mean they were
• 30:37
  Speaker 7: given up over thirty points a game. So they've been
• 30:40
  Speaker 7: taking turns, which I think bad teams usually do. And
• 30:44
  Speaker 7: now the defense has settled down. The defense has actually
• 30:47
  Speaker 7: played two good games in a row against Carolina and Denver,
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: but now the offense can't get it out of its
• 30:52
  Speaker 7: own way, two streat games without a touchdown. But I
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  Speaker 7: would say quarterback play is a big part of the issue,
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  Speaker 7: which is why I believe Justin Fields is probably going
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  Speaker 7: to the bench.
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  Speaker 1: Rich Simani covers the Jets for ESPN talking to some
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: of the Bengals offensive linemen this week. They all rave
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: about the Jets defensive front featuring three first round draft
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  Speaker 1: picks and Quinn Williams, Well McDonald and Jermaine Johnson. How
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: well have those three guys been playing.
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  Speaker 7: Well? They don't really have the stats dan to back
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  Speaker 7: it up. Quinn Williams is their best defensive player, and
• 31:29
  Speaker 7: I think he's only at one stack so far. He
• 31:32
  Speaker 7: gets double teamed a lot, but he's still a good
• 31:35
  Speaker 7: player even though he's not going to jump off the
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: stat sheet. The other guys. Jermaine Johnson's really helped them
• 31:42
  Speaker 7: the last two games he missed through I think it
• 31:44
  Speaker 7: was three games with a high ankle spring. He comes
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: back two weeks ago, and it's not a coincidence that
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: the defense started playing better when he came back two
• 31:52
  Speaker 7: weeks ago. And Will McDonald's purely like a pass rushing guy,
• 31:56
  Speaker 7: an edge player, an undersized guy who can definitely be
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: floyded against the run, but can bring pressure off the edge.
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  Speaker 7: I would say as a group, they're probably underachieving so far.
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  Speaker 7: The talent is certainly there, but I just think they
• 32:10
  Speaker 7: have not been able to generate consistent pressure on the quarterback.
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  Speaker 9: Watching tape and talking to people in the Cincinnati Bengals organization,
• 32:20
  Speaker 9: they've watched a hell of a lot more tape than
• 32:22
  Speaker 9: I have watching games. They say that defensively, the stud
• 32:29
  Speaker 9: is Quentin Williams. Offensively, it's Garrett Wilson. Do you agree
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  Speaker 9: with that assessment?
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  Speaker 1: I do.
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  Speaker 7: I think pound for pound, Quinnin Williams is their best
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  Speaker 7: defensive player. You know, he's a former first team off ro.
• 32:44
  Speaker 7: Now Sauce Gardner gets a lot of the accolades, but
• 32:48
  Speaker 7: I do not believe Sauce Gardner will play in this
• 32:50
  Speaker 7: game on Soday, he's in the concussion protocol, and so offensively,
• 32:55
  Speaker 7: Garrett Wilson, I do believe is probably their best offensive player. Now,
• 32:59
  Speaker 7: there's a good chance he may not play in this game.
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  Speaker 7: He did not practice again today. He's dealing with the
• 33:04
  Speaker 7: knee injury that kept him out on Sunday. They're saying
• 33:07
  Speaker 7: day to day. However, I am a little skeptical about
• 33:12
  Speaker 7: his chances. The Jets have the bye week right after Cincinnati,
• 33:15
  Speaker 7: so I think there's a sense in the organization that, hey,
• 33:18
  Speaker 7: we'll just let him sit out this game and then
• 33:20
  Speaker 7: have him come out of the bye week feeling one
• 33:22
  Speaker 7: hundred percent. So yeah, that's you know, a soft Gardner
• 33:25
  Speaker 7: and Garrett Wilson, of two of their best players aren't there.
• 33:28
  Speaker 7: It's going to be tough for them on Sunday.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Rich, when Jamar Chase or T Higgins has to
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: miss a game, the Bengals have the other guy, plus
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: some other pretty good weapons. When Garrett Wilson is out.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: How's that receiving core for the Jets.
• 33:44
  Speaker 7: They're receiving core for the Jets looks like a maybe,
• 33:47
  Speaker 7: like what does Syracuse University receiving corps look like in
• 33:50
  Speaker 7: nineteen eighty five?
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's just.
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  Speaker 7: Not good, Dan, it's you know, it's Garrett is a
• 33:59
  Speaker 7: sensational player. I mean, he's clearly their their wide receiver one,
• 34:02
  Speaker 7: but after that there is a steep drop off. Josh
• 34:06
  Speaker 7: Reynolds would be their number two. I guess he is
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: really more of a probably a four or five. They
• 34:13
  Speaker 7: have Alan Lazard, He's probably a four or five. What
• 34:18
  Speaker 7: I'm saying is they really do not have a perimeter threat.
• 34:21
  Speaker 7: They have a young guy, Arian Smith, a draft pick
• 34:24
  Speaker 7: from Georgia who's probably the fastest guy on the team.
• 34:27
  Speaker 7: I mean just he's a blur out there. But they
• 34:30
  Speaker 7: never throw him the ball because he's never opened and
• 34:33
  Speaker 7: you know when they do, he drops it. So yeah, long,
• 34:37
  Speaker 7: long answer to a question is that, Yeah, when alt
• 34:40
  Speaker 7: Garrett Wilson, they are probably the worst receiving core in
• 34:43
  Speaker 7: the league.
• 34:44
  Speaker 9: What about the running game, I've always been a fan
• 34:48
  Speaker 9: of Breise Hall. The coaches again, in talking to them
• 34:53
  Speaker 9: a little bit, and players as well, defensive players that
• 34:56
  Speaker 9: have studied the Jets, like we talked about earlier, they
• 35:00
  Speaker 9: they're a fan of Breess Hall. They think he's a
• 35:02
  Speaker 9: pretty damn good running back. They think he can do everything.
• 35:05
  Speaker 9: They think that, you know, he can make people miss,
• 35:07
  Speaker 9: great lateral quickness, he can catch the ball out of
• 35:09
  Speaker 9: the backfield, you know again, make you miss there, get
• 35:12
  Speaker 9: yards after catch. And then interestingly and importantly, he sticks
• 35:18
  Speaker 9: his nose right in there in the chest of linebackers
• 35:20
  Speaker 9: and is an excellent blitz pickup guy. Is their assessment
• 35:24
  Speaker 9: pretty accurate in your opinion?
• 35:26
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that actually is a pretty good scouting report on
• 35:28
  Speaker 7: Breese Halts. He is having a good year. I mean,
• 35:31
  Speaker 7: if you look at his numbers, you know he's having
• 35:35
  Speaker 7: a good year. They don't use him enough in the
• 35:37
  Speaker 7: passing game. It's kind of been one of the mysteries here.
• 35:41
  Speaker 7: I think he's such a good receiver. A couple of
• 35:43
  Speaker 7: years ago he had seventy five catches and he let
• 35:45
  Speaker 7: all running backs, and now they don't really use him
• 35:47
  Speaker 7: that much. The Jets do not throw screen passes to
• 35:51
  Speaker 7: the running backs, which is always another mystery. It would
• 35:54
  Speaker 7: be a great way to slow down a good pass
• 35:56
  Speaker 7: rushing team, and yet they don't really do that. So
• 36:00
  Speaker 7: but they do have a good running game. Their entire
• 36:02
  Speaker 7: offense is built on being a good running team. Now
• 36:06
  Speaker 7: when they have justin Fields in there. In Week one,
• 36:09
  Speaker 7: they look dynamic against Pittsburgh with Fields running some zone
• 36:14
  Speaker 7: reads and some RPOs and Breeze Hall running out of
• 36:17
  Speaker 7: the backfield and Brayln Allen. It's like, my gosh, this
• 36:20
  Speaker 7: looks like a pretty good offense. But they've never been
• 36:22
  Speaker 7: able to recapture what they had in Week one. I
• 36:25
  Speaker 7: think teams adjusted to what they've been doing and stopping
• 36:29
  Speaker 7: them on first and second down, and when you get
• 36:31
  Speaker 7: them in third and long, they're just not equipped to
• 36:34
  Speaker 7: be a third and long type passing team. For all
• 36:36
  Speaker 7: the reasons we discussed a moment Ago Rich.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: My final question has to do with the quarterback the
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Jets will be facing this Sunday, former Jet Joe Flacco,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: who spent three years with New York when he was
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: still a youngster between the ages of thirty five and
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: thirty seven. Having covered him for three years, what do
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: you think of this renaissance and the fact that suddenly
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Bengals fans are have their chests out with pride and
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: optimism that Joe Flacco is their quarterback. Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: I watched the game last week and it was it
• 37:09
  Speaker 7: was fun watching two ex Jet forty year old quarterbacks
• 37:13
  Speaker 7: go at each other with Rogers and Blacko and Flacco
• 37:16
  Speaker 7: is he's the guy with nine lives. You know, it's
• 37:19
  Speaker 7: unbelievable how he's been able to last in this league.
• 37:22
  Speaker 7: His arm is obviously still really good. You know, he
• 37:25
  Speaker 7: doesn't move, but you know he never really could, even
• 37:28
  Speaker 7: in his hey day with Baltimore. But I think it's
• 37:31
  Speaker 7: great he's doing what he did in Cleveland. You know,
• 37:33
  Speaker 7: as you recall a couple of years ago, what he
• 37:35
  Speaker 7: did for Cleveland, he injected hope and to that team.
• 37:38
  Speaker 7: He looks like he's doing the same in Cincinnati, and
• 37:41
  Speaker 7: I think the Jets are going to be I don't know.
• 37:43
  Speaker 7: I'll have to get our stat people to look this up.
• 37:45
  Speaker 7: When's the last time a team lost to two forty
• 37:47
  Speaker 7: year old quarterbacks in the same year, because I think
• 37:50
  Speaker 7: that'll probably happen on Sunday. The Jets lost to Aaron
• 37:53
  Speaker 7: Rodgers in Week one, and I think they'll probably lose
• 37:55
  Speaker 7: to Flacco on Sunday. But he had no when he
• 37:58
  Speaker 7: was with the Jets, Dan he didn't really have much
• 38:00
  Speaker 7: success because the team around him was just so poor
• 38:04
  Speaker 7: and they were so poorly coached, so he never really
• 38:07
  Speaker 7: had He had one moment against Cleveland when he led
• 38:11
  Speaker 7: him back on a miraculous comeback in the last couple
• 38:13
  Speaker 7: of minutes, and that was really about it, and it
• 38:16
  Speaker 7: didn't look great. But you know, he's a guy who's persevered,
• 38:20
  Speaker 7: and I'm really happy for Joe. He's a good guy boy.
• 38:25
  Speaker 9: Back in the day, Paul Brown used to say, beware,
• 38:29
  Speaker 9: this football team has an own seven record, but they
• 38:32
  Speaker 9: are not an own seven football team. Do you think
• 38:36
  Speaker 9: that the New York Jets are better than their own
• 38:39
  Speaker 9: seven record?
• 38:42
  Speaker 7: You know, that's a that's a fascinating question, because if
• 38:45
  Speaker 7: you look at their roster they do have some very
• 38:49
  Speaker 7: good players. I mean, we've talked about them, Garrett Wilson
• 38:52
  Speaker 7: and Breise Hall. And their offensive line has a couple
• 38:55
  Speaker 7: of good players, and Sauce Gardner and Quinn Williams and
• 38:59
  Speaker 7: Jamie Sure what's a good linebacker. The two edge rushers
• 39:03
  Speaker 7: Johnson and McDonald. So they have good players. They just
• 39:06
  Speaker 7: haven't put it together, which is just the sign of
• 39:11
  Speaker 7: a bad team. Like I said, the defense has played
• 39:12
  Speaker 7: well the last two weeks. The special teams have played
• 39:15
  Speaker 7: well the last couple of weeks. Their punter a guy
• 39:18
  Speaker 7: who was in Cincinnati, Austin McNamara. He's one of the
• 39:21
  Speaker 7: best punters in the league right now. And Nick Folk
• 39:24
  Speaker 7: is a terrific kicker. So they have some components of
• 39:28
  Speaker 7: a winning team. But it just never shows up on
• 39:31
  Speaker 7: the same Sunday. And they might go out Sunday and
• 39:35
  Speaker 7: their offense might put up like twenty eight points and
• 39:39
  Speaker 7: the defense will just.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: Have a bad day.
• 39:42
  Speaker 7: It's been that kind of year for the Jets, So
• 39:44
  Speaker 7: I understand what the Bengals are coming from. Zach Taylor's
• 39:47
  Speaker 7: probably like selling the Jets. This is not an O
• 39:49
  Speaker 7: and seventeen, but they are to seven for a reason
• 39:53
  Speaker 7: they just self destruct and too many self inflicted bolls.
• 39:57
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