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The Hindsight Report: Origin's Spectacular Failings Buried by "Best Ever" Lies · Death by Multimedia

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This is thoughts from the metal cabin, where only one opinion
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matters and it's not yours. Welcome to this week's edition
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of the hindsight report, the show where we discuss Sports and
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other world affairs with the benefit of knowing the result or
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just ignoring the blindingly obvious.
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And proving just what a powerful tool that hindsight can be, this
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is where opinions can be expressed based on a basic zero
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amount of knowledge and expert opinion all with the like, Lee
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Hood that it comes crashing down around us in the fullness of
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time. This week we're going to
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concentrate on the outcome of match.
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Two of the 2023 rugby league state of origin series which the
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media generally the games exclusive host, the nine Network
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in Australia. Constantly berated us with what
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was the most important and greatest match to in history on
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the back of the shellacking. Queensland.
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Once again, handed the hapless New South Wales Side by 32
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points to six. Today, we'll take a look at
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three, serious aspects of Current State of the State of
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origin series. Firstly, we'll look at the game
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itself and just wear the winning and losing of the match.
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And what effect several incidents within the game
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contributed to that school Lon? Secondly, we'll take a look at
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the coaches and their selection issues and Ponder just what the
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final outcome of going to holds in store for them going forward,
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thirdly will dissect the TV coverage of the match itself and
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wish that our Her 14 year old son, was not interested in
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watching the match in the future, so that we could all
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just turn over to something else. that's today's discussion
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on the hindsight report where opinions and conclusions can be
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considered as reliable as the interpretation of the forward
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pass right here on thoughts, from the metal Cavern,
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There's pretty much two ways you can look at the game itself.
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That occurred last night. As I'm speaking to you on this
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podcast between Queensland and New, South Wales Earth.
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Basically that if you're a Queensland supporter, you would
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say it was the greatest performance you've ever seen
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from a Queensland team ever on top of all the other 50 billion
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greatest performances ever, I'm a Queensland team through the
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history of state of origin football.
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Of course, if you're a New South Wales supporter, you'd be
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looking at several aspects of what's going.
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Hang on and suggesting that, the game itself stinks.
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In the long run, let's face the facts.
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New South Wales might be able to list things that went against
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them and we can look at some of those now.
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Firstly the fact that Tom dragovich was off in the second
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minute of the game. Having done a pectoral muscle,
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trying to put a tackle on someone around their shoulders
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instead of around their legs and he went off and he was gone for
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the match, which there were several things wrong with that.
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That firstly, it left New South Wales with just three reserves
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for the rest of the match, which in a game such as this actually
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ends up being a pretty tough. Ask secondly.
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The select is had no backs on the bench, which was a joke of a
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selection. Instead of going with a balanced
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bench. They decided that they were
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going to pick two hookers. Whereas, in the first game that
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only picked one And even though they pick to last year that
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worked okay for New South Wales last year but this year having
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gone with one of the first game. Why do we suddenly go with two
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in the second game? Because that particular hooker
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was injured, did we really need two men to fill his position?
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Well at the two minute, Mark of the first half the answer to
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that was no, what we really needed was the man who was
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nominated as the 18th men in Matt Burton.
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Matt Burton can play 58. He can play halfback.
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He can play center and he can play.
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The full-back. The perfect man to come on in a
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situation where your main Center has been injured and gone for
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the match. But no New South Wales instead
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had to go with someone who wasn't a center.
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And to be honest, that's stuffed up, New South Wales, back line
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moves for the rest of the game because the man, that the coach
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decided was going to replace true boy, bitch, as Center was
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the replacement hooker, Damien cook.
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Now pour hot, Damien cornickleson He's going to end
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his career with this game being replayed for him forever.
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A guy who came in and did his absolute best in a position that
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he is not used to and the opposition exploited that
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perfectly. Now as Damon cook, was the only
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try scorer for news as well. Some may say well he did okay.
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But you could see that defensively and attacking Lee,
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he just wasn't in the right position at the right time and
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in attack that really hurting yourself.
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Whilst being able to use their backline and in defense, it
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allowed Queensland to get through those gaps, much easier
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than they would have apart from that.
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So the fact that you said was lost cohesion in the back line
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with that and the fact that Damien cook really isn't Center
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and was forced to defend as a center for most of the match was
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very unfortunate for New South Wales.
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Then of course you've got the two tries that were scored in
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the first half by Queensland that were Let's not beat around
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the bush. They were disgraceful.
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The fact that they were awarded is an absolute disgrace, upon
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firstly, the bunker, and then, secondly, the officials on the
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ground. So the first try was disallowed
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by the referee and sent up to the bunker saying that.
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He felt there was a knock on, with Josh at a car, going to try
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and catch the ball that was proven to be incorrect.
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And so everyone thought I will now, we got to go to the
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grounding and you looked at the grounding and there is no doubt
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that the ball was Just in the end goal and I don't care about
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the fact that the bunker actually, awarded the try, I
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don't care. That Queensland supporters are
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going to say yes, if you slowed it down to the 1/16 amount of
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speed, you can see there is one frame out of the four million
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frames where it appears that a finger from the Queensland
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players on the ball at the time that the ball is also touching
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the ground. So that is downward pressure.
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So that's a try. Well, let's just rubbish, we
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need to get away from this, slowing down the ball, to check
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things. Like this, you need to watch it
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at full speed or at least three quarter speed and just let the
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play Flow and make a judgment call on that.
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Because if you are getting down to this Nth Degree, it is a joke
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and honestly, and again, I say this, because I don't care what
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anyone else thinks. Looking at that, it still seemed
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to me that the ball was bounced in the end goal and was not
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downward pressure. It was a disgraceful decision by
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the bunker and once again just proves, why do we even bother
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having A buckeye, why we spending all this money on
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having on a bunker when they are making ridiculous decisions like
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this and then of course, the second try which had not one but
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two forward passes to complete the try and it was obvious to
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everybody. There is no one watching rugby
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league watching that game, who disagree with the fact that it
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was, there was too forward passes, except the officials on
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the ground who were right there to make the decisions, the
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referee and the two linesmen. Of them bothered to put up their
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hands inside, that was a forward pass.
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And in this situation, where if you gone, to the bank of you
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could absolutely 100% say that it was a forward pass.
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I mean, tell me what food I was in front of the man who passed
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the ball to him. Let alone, the fact that it
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didn't wait another mood of forward after that and you're
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telling me that we can't tell from the bunker whether that
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ball is forward and then the ball when then with the For the
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last play, where it was also forward and suddenly
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queenslander attend nil. Why do we bother having
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linesman? If they will refuse to make
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these calls? And they must be refusing
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because how could anyone not tell that that ball was forward?
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If you're a linesman, they just decided to let it go.
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And if it got called up by the ref, they'd say, yeah, I agree.
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It was Ford. And if it's not, well, the
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bucket can't rule anyway. So they're sweet.
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None of those officials in that game should be referring this
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weekend because they are just a joke.
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And then you've got the bounce of the ball that occurred from
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New South Wales, which was unfortunate again, with a bull
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for the trial that was scored in the second half by Queensland.
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The ball, as the rugby league ball will do and when things are
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going against you, the ball will bounce away from you and we'll
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bounce straight into the hands of your opponent's, who will
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then run away and school. So all of these things and
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several other things could be brought up.
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New South Wales as a list as to what went against them in that
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game. But it doesn't take away the
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fact that the blues had more position than coins lead.
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They had better field position then Queensland and they had an
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82 penalty count in their favor for the whole match.
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And yet they could only score one.
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Try in the whole 80 minutes they were completely outplayed.
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Now, queensland's defense May well have been offside
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especially when it came to the end of that first half.
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They Should have been penalized but they weren't, and they got
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two plays in user, wants to try and score.
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A tried to get it to 10 for or 10-6 at halftime and Queensland
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were holding down the play. The ball, they were obviously
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off, so, it's standing offside and yet the referee just waited
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for the full halftime siren to go and then he called playoff.
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So the point being still, the queensland's defense was
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magnificent last night and they had three attacking
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opportunities really in that first half.
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Their opposition's half and they scored off two of them.
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Both of them were not tries, don't get me wrong but at least
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they crossed the line with the ball there.
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And, of course, New South Wales couldn't do that at all.
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So there's no doubting the fact that Queensland was the better
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side. They were the more enthusiastic
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side. They wanted to win more than New
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South Wales. No matter what?
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New South, Wales supporters, coaching staff, long time, pass.
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Pliers will tell you. Cool.
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Iceland wanted this game or, and even though they had no
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position, no, Phil position and a lack of penalties, they still
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won the game by a massive margin.
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Let's talk about the coaches and there's the two differing.
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Opinions of what these two coaches have done in the past as
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players. And then what they were going to
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do as coaches. And let's face it.
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If it was coaching stint as New, South Wales coach has been beset
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by unorthodox selections and these unorthodox selections.
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Honestly have cost New South Wales at least two series and
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probably three series. If we look back somehow fitler
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won his first two series, as coach of New South Wales, and he
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was being hailed as the Messiah, and we're looking for the
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brand-new. This was going to be how the
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blues were going to just win forever.
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This was going to be there, time after Queens are had one for so
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many years. And then we came to the covid
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series of 2020, which was held at the end of the season.
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And was held like in three separate weeks to one after the
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other. And again it was the worst
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Queensland side ever chosen apparently.
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But of course somehow, you know, someone comes in Wayne Bennett
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of course and finds a way to win the series 2-1 again through
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what you would suspect were, poor selection Decisions by the
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coach and his selection staff. That first game that they lost
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was terrible in that series. These and then they won game two
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and lost game. Three 2021, New South, Wales won
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the first two games convincingly in Northern Queensland.
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And then at Lang park, it was ridiculous how much they that
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was in complete control. And everyone thought our last
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year was just a blip. It's all okay.
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And then in the third game, despite the fact New South Wales
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had some injuries. They got smashed, absolutely
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smashed. And then we had 2022, which was
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last year and again, we had some strange Selections in that first
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game. And again New South Wales, lost
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the first match of the series and then they change the
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selections around again, to what they should have been in the
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first game in New South, Wales one.
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And then in the third game, they probably just thought they had
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to turn up to win because they are so good and I'm sure that's
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pretty much what they are being told and yes they got beaten and
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so Billy. Billy Slater and his first used
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Queensland. Coach came away with a victory
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this year's been more of the same more selections.
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Just unbelievable selections. When you think about it, of
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course, we spoke about last week about the fact that Nick Al
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Hines had been picked on the bench.
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He'd been given a lever minutes thrown into the Sinners because
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of the injury to well, again, Guess Who?
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And then some Coughed up. A Troy that's on through, to
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school, to try, which won the game, and then New South Wales
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halfback, suddenly is injured for this game, but he's not
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picked as the halfback. In fact, he's not even picked in
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the squad and how did that look to everybody that you think that
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this guy has been the best player in club football for 18
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months but he's not good enough to play for New South Wales.
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When the number one half back has been taken out and he can't
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even make the squad anymore. Now, Mitchell Moses was chosen
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to play halfback. He had a reasonable game.
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He did some good things in the first half and went probably
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went missing in the second half but isn't that the perfect time
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to bring in a guy who runs his Club?
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Despite what we listen to Gus Gould and other people saying
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last week he runs that cronulla club.
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He's the one who runs every play, he's in the book, it
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touches the ball at every play and he's the guy in New South
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Wales needed and he wasn't picked.
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And then the guy they needed on the bench.
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Of course that burden instead Said, you know, someone there.
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Who could cover any backline position?
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I don't know. If someone gets injured in the
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back line will just throw someone in there.
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Well, you didn't expect it after 2 minutes.
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Sure. But you're supposed to cover
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those possibilities. It was just absolutely crazily.
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Ridiculous. And just pour selections.
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And again, the message coming from the coach just doesn't seem
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to be right, Hitler's coaching is going the same way that he
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did when he coached the roosters and that was a long time ago.
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Now he started with a bang came in with all guns, blazing into a
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team that had been built up by his predecessor and won a few
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games at the end of the season. And everyone thought, here we
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go. Freddy's going to turn the
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roosters around and make them a Premiership force.
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And the following year, everything started to fall apart
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and when the going got tough, Freddie had no answers.
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Well that's been exactly the same here as for New South
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Wales, when everything was going great for five years ago,
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everything was fine for New South Wales on Freddy as soon as
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it starts getting tough Freddy just can't handle it.
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Look at Billy Slater who came in and honestly, it was probably
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the last person that all of us expected would actually become
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the coach. We've sort of thought, maybe
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thirst and wood or Cameron Smith would or someone else with some
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experience would become the coach.
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But no, they trusted Billy Slater.
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He's built his own team around him.
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He's picked some players out of nowhere, a little bit and the
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last two years, but every single one of them has delivered and
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none more so than the daily. Terry Evans at halfback who's
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now Leading this time, so everything that he's doing is
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turning to gold now. Will he go the same way that
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fitler has? You can't see it, can you,
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because it's a different mentality and it's a different
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situation with the Queensland seen that it is when you South
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Wales. I don't think, anyone, anyone
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believes that fitler will survive this series?
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No doubt, he will Coach the third game this series but
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there's just no way they can bring him back again next year,
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having this kind of record and just the chaos that seems to
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surround the New South Wales team.
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What New South Wales need is a coach with no media interests
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who just wants to coach. I mean, the last two years has
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just been a channel 9 Festival rather than a true footy series,
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we go to Freddy in the Box, we go to Billy in the Box, let the
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guys coach, we shouldn't be talking to them during the game.
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It's just a carry on as if to say look at us a channel 9.
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These guys are employed by us. And we can do whatever we.
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Like, we could interview them whenever we like a, we can get
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brilliant insights, which are never brilliant insights because
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it's just saying, yeah, that's what's happening here.
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Yeah, that's what's happened there.
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We don't want insights from the coaches.
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You know what, we actually want? We want insights from the
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commentators. And that brings me to the next
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Point. Let's not beat around the bush
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Channel, 9's coverage of rugby league in general, but
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especially the state of origin series is abysmal completely and
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utterly chaotic, and it's painful from start to finish
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from the time they start with the pregame crap and they have
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72 people that they have to talk to To the time we get into the
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game until then after that, we have the postgame crap.
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And there's 42,000 people we have to speak to all employed by
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Channel 9. All former greats of the game,
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who are now offering their opinions exclusively to channel
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9. Well, it's crap.
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They mine commentator and look, I could have researched this
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properly and actually found out what his name is because I don't
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know because I don't watch channel 9.
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I watch Fox and only time I watch channel line is four games
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a year and that's through state of Origin Games and it's one
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Grand Final because they were not shown on Fox and if they
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were, I'd be watching me. So I don't know his name but he
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is Dreadful awful. He sensationalizes everything He
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starts yelling at the start of the game and it hasn't even
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started. And these excitement levels,
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then have to go up, depending on what's happening with a hit or a
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tackle or a pass or a drop ball and everything.
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He says, says, it's the greatest thing that's ever happened.
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The number of times I've heard him talk about.
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This is the greatest origin game ever in the last two years is
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ridiculous. Is this guy even watched origin
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before? Does he know what Origins about
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or is he just going to keep saying this kind?
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Shit until is bleed. He's read fully awful and is
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very make. It look takes the enjoyment away
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from the game but he's not the only one because we also have
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Andrew Johns and Cameron Smith in the commentary box and how
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Goods that because Cameron Smith just there to fangirl the
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Queensland plays, that's what he does.
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And he generally doesn't even say anything.
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Until a Queensland played, does something really good And then
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he says, oh my goodness daily, Terry Evans.
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What a great chase that was, Oh, What a magnificent kick.
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Oh, Cameron Munster, you're amazing.
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How do you do all this kind of stuff.
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That's the kind of stuff we get into Kim Smith.
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But that is actually hard as it is to believe better than what
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we get from Andrew Jones because Andrew Johns.
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Only ever ever offers - shit. He's just trying to be Gus
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Gould. The way Gus girl has been Last
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20 years, just killed started out as one of the best and
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analyzers of rugby league that you could listen to when he'd
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finished coaching and he started commenting on Channel Nine.
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As just, the animal, there's the analyst.
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He was brilliant. He could see things happening in
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the game before they happen, and it was terrific, and he and
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Peter Sterling and Paul. Wharton together.
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Worked fantastic and rugby league was worth watching when
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those guys were doing it and then Gus killed started to
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believe that he was more important than the game that his
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Ian's were more important than the game that he was the one who
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actually set what was going on in the game.
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And so then he started to tell us this kind of stuff, and then
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he would start to sprout. Drivel when something happened
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that he didn't like, and we'd hear about it every single week.
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And now we've got Andrew Johns. And that's all he does.
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He shakes his head. He goes, oh my goodness.
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I can't believe that. I can't believe they've given
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that tackle. I can't believe they've called
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that high. That's not a shoulder charge.
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Come on, just let them play. And one of the worst things you
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ever hear is this is origin. That's that's, you can't call
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that this is origin. That's just different.
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There's different rules. There are not different rules.
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It's the same freaking game. Andrew.
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You can't keep telling me that a guy like last night who got
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tackled around the neck and was held around the neck in a
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Chokehold, pretty much. And if the full-back had
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actually twisted his arms just a little bit he would have broken
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this guy's neck and he's pulling down and it like it was like a
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wrestling hold and yet Andrew John said oh how is that?
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A high tackle. What a fucking idiot?
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You are Andruw Jones my goodness.
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I can't believe that we have to listen to that rubbish.
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You're supposed to be an analyst of the game, you're supposed to
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be offering us opinions on what's happening in the game and
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what's going to happen? It's as we all feared.
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We never knew how much we were going to miss Peter Sterling,
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until he was gone. He was there every week and he
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didn't say anything and then when he saw something that's
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when he spoke and that's what he offered and he offered insight
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to the game and he offered what has happened here?
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And what could have happened there and what may happen in the
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future, we don't get any of that anymore.
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All we get is just whinging from Andrew Johns and Buddy.
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Cameron Smith, taking his shirt off and waving to all the
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Queensland players saying look at me, look at me, I can't
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believe I have to put up with this shit.
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Three times a year because Channel 9 had the exclusive
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rights Anyway, that's probably over for that, but the
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commentary is awful. We know that I hate them.
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When they go to the coaches. I hate when they go to the
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dressing rooms and look at what's going on, the dressing
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rooms for an hour before the game and that it all the time
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through halftime. And then an hour after the game,
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give the play some Sanctuary. We don't need to see what's
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going on in the dressing rooms. Let's just if you have to talk,
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talk about the game and then forget about everything else.
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It's just an amazing waste of time, and that's what makes this
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so hard to watch now, and I honestly believe that, as I've
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said earlier, if my 14 year old son didn't want to watch it, I
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could quite happily not watch state of origin football ever
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again because the game doesn't matter anymore.
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What matters more is promoting Channel 9, making channel line
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being the biggest thing in the world.
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And oh look we've also got this state of origin game and every
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state of origin. Game is the greatest ever
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because they're showing it now. They didn't have the rights.
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There'd be nothing said on Channel Nine, about state of
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origin. How great the game is or
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anything like that. And that's where the problem
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lies if they just went back to broadcasting the game and during
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the game, we have our analyst telling us about the game as
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it's happening and just let the commentator call the game and
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don't get into history, Onyx and just call what's happening in
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the game, we'd be back to the nineties in the 80s again.
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Back when Rugby league was great to listen to back.
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When we listen to Rex Masa poor then we have grown Hughes, a
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team Maurice. And even the days of, oh,
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Maurice and Darryl loose like, calling it on Channel Nine,
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remember those days, they had their own little thing.
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But at least we had the commentators calling the game.
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And then we had analysts telling us about the game, and we don't
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have that anymore, and I don't think it can be fixed.
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I don't think this can be fixed until it's taken away.
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Away from Channel 9 and given to someone else and let them try
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and do something with it without just trying to shove it down our
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fucking throats. So as you may have guessed but I
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can't I don't know what it is, is it that I hate New South
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Wales losing? Which is always part of it duh,
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is it because I hate the fact that bad decisions of cost New
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South Wales which they have is it because I don't like bread
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fitler because it is, or is it just the state of the coverage
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that we get of the game and the complete shit house?
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Tree that we have to put up with, because they think it's
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entertaining, and they think that's what we want to hear.
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And that most definitely is it because I know that when I've
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watched the game, three last year, I turned off the sound and
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I had music on instead, as I said here, with my son, watching
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the game and it was much more enjoy.
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We didn't know exactly what was going on with the, a somewhat,
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the referee calling up plays and whatever, and I had to message
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other people in my chat groups to I asked them, what the hell
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was going on? Because I refused to turn it up
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to find out, but the game was so much more enjoyable even though
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Queensland one, and it didn't worry me because I was less
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pissed off about the game because I couldn't hear these
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bleeding yearly, idiots on TV talking about it.
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So there's probably the answer if it can get to a point where
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we did some 15, 20 years ago at on Pace over at the time you
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could actually choose just to hear the crowd and not.
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Here any commentary at all with when you're watching the
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football and that was fantastic. And if we could get back to
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that, I think rugby league and the state of origin series would
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be much better for everyone. Enough.
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Probably, I'll go and take a load and Shawn.
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For those of you who have bothered to listen.
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Thank you for getting in through this far.
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In this week's hindsight report, only the origin this week
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because it really did piss me off next week.
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I'll hopefully, we'll mix it up again for you.
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If you've got any ideas of things, I should be ranting
28:30
about, you know, where to get in contact with me through all the
28:33
usual channels. And there are other things on
28:36
here to, of course, the Crickets going.
28:38
On in England so that you can tune into the Casual man Caddo,
28:41
which is coming out probably every week now and we have this
28:45
hopefully more movies coming out shortly with my lovely wife,
28:48
Helen and a couple of other ideas.
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I've got up my sleeve again though, for those who are here,
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thank you for tuning in and listening and supporting this
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podcast. And I do hope that you'll come
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back next week and not only check out the hindsight report,
29:03
but everything else that's going on right here on thoughts, from
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