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Rugby Direct: Episode 226 · Rugby Direct

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  Speaker 2: for edition number three of the week, Liam Napier, I
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  Speaker 2: think we're setting new Rugby Direct records this week, third
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  Speaker 2: podcast of the Week. Welcome in as always.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, big o week, Elliott, I have to ask the
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  Speaker 3: paymasters for a pay rise of this right.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely if you haven't caught up with it. Steve Lancaster
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  Speaker 2: joined us for an extended sit down interview yesterday on
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  Speaker 2: Rugby Director. At least if you're hearing it today, it
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  Speaker 2: was yesterday. If it was a few days ago, we'll
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  Speaker 2: get into our thoughts on that in a moment. But
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  Speaker 2: Dave Rennie also fronting media this week for the first
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  Speaker 2: time since the day of his appointment, and a lot
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  Speaker 2: of we nuggets throughout there, and obviously Sir Graham Henry
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  Speaker 2: headlining that as a return as All Black selector. What
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  Speaker 2: did you make of that? First and foremost? And also
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  Speaker 2: what Dave Rennie said to the media Tuesday morning.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think first and foremost is good to have
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  Speaker 3: Dave back in the country, isn't it. He's visiting the
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  Speaker 3: Hurricanes today on Thursday and attending the Chiefs Highlanders on
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  Speaker 3: Friday nights while his Cobe team, who topped the league
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  Speaker 3: in Japan currently await their finals campaign. And look, I
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  Speaker 3: thought it was another real clear and concise prest appearance
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  Speaker 3: for Dave. There are a few nuggets of gold, both
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  Speaker 3: on and off the record about his philosophy on the game.
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  Speaker 3: Bringing back Ted, I think it's a good move, just
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  Speaker 3: purely from the fact of having an independent selector outside
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  Speaker 3: the group. This is nothing new as that we've seen
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  Speaker 3: it with Brian Lahore, even Colin Meads when Brian Lahall
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  Speaker 3: was coaching. Grant Fox did it for Steve Hansen. These
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  Speaker 3: are guys that are steeped in experience and watch a
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  Speaker 3: lot of rugby and I just think somebody from outside
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  Speaker 3: the group to challenge.
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  Speaker 4: To throw a grenade is quite valuable. So that's a
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  Speaker 4: good move.
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  Speaker 3: And then yes, some interesting nuggets around what his plan
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  Speaker 3: and desire was for Richie Muwonga. He wanted to bring
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  Speaker 3: him to South Africa, won't get that initially unless is
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  Speaker 3: an injury, and would still like to select Brodie Rettallic
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  Speaker 3: for the World Cup. So so plenty to digest.
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  Speaker 4: Wasn't there?
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  Speaker 2: There certainly was, Like I like the Graham Henry appointment
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  Speaker 2: as well. I think an indepoindent, independent voice is vital.
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  Speaker 2: I think they've got lost in the last the Scott
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  Speaker 2: Robson tenure. Having someone from outside. There's going to be
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  Speaker 2: in here and biases from the people inside camp, and
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  Speaker 2: you know, that's just natural. You're dealing with these players
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  Speaker 2: day in day out, or you're watching them and you develop,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you know, thinking around some of these players,
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  Speaker 2: and I think it's good to have someone outside contesting
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  Speaker 2: and pushing back and ultimately hopefully hopefully land on having
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  Speaker 2: the you know, the best thirty four players in the
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  Speaker 2: country selected in a squad for a series and then
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  Speaker 2: twenty three for it for a match day. So ultimately,
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  Speaker 2: I think a really good move. And it does take
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  Speaker 2: a certain kind of person as well to be that
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  Speaker 2: independent selected. They need to watch a lot of rugby.
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  Speaker 2: They also probably don't you know, they need to have,
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  Speaker 2: you know, sort of been out of the game a
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  Speaker 2: little bit, will not have the aspirations to be the
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  Speaker 2: head coach. It kind of takes an interesting sort of
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  Speaker 2: figure to do that sort of role, so I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: Graham Henry will do a great job. You mentioned Brady
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  Speaker 2: Ritalick as well. Look, the door still seems a jar
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  Speaker 2: for him to potentially play at the World Cup. We
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  Speaker 2: heard from Dave Rennie that Scott Robertson made an approach
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  Speaker 2: twelve months pre and Rennie sort of had a crack again.
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  Speaker 2: But the travel is now a factor for Brodie Retallick
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  Speaker 2: young family. He enjoys his time in Corby and basically
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  Speaker 2: spends what one night on the bullet training them back
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  Speaker 2: home again, so he's not really away from family too
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  Speaker 2: much and that seems to be a big factor for him.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe a World Cup campaign in Australia could be a possibility,
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  Speaker 2: but I just would caution as well that we don't
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  Speaker 2: want Brodie Retalic to become the Richie Wonger of Dave
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  Speaker 2: Rennie's campaign like it was with Scott Robertson, with his
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  Speaker 2: players cropping up a lot of times. Hopefully that line's
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  Speaker 2: now been drawn under it. Hey, look, if he comes
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  Speaker 2: back next year, so be it. But let's just draw
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  Speaker 2: a line under it for the time being and not
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  Speaker 2: make it a key focal point of his coaching tenure
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  Speaker 2: in the first year.
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  Speaker 4: It's a good point, isn't it.
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  Speaker 3: It was a clouds that hung over Scott Robinson's tenure
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  Speaker 3: and I guess the message it sends well. Firstly with
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  Speaker 3: Richie was that Razor was never comfortable with his options
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  Speaker 3: at ten and similarly with Dave pining for retallic it
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  Speaker 3: says he's not comfortable with his locking options and when
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  Speaker 3: you look around to provide as probably New Zigan's leading lock. Currently,
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  Speaker 3: you've got Scott Barrett to come back. Does he retain
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  Speaker 3: the captaincy? Probably not, but that might help him regain
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  Speaker 3: the form that made him an elite world class lock.
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  Speaker 3: Patrick two plotus still there and you've got Fabian Holland
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  Speaker 3: to come back from injury. It sounds like he's on
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  Speaker 3: track for South Africa, so it's not like there's a
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  Speaker 3: dearth of locking options. Reni story regards Brody as the
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  Speaker 3: world's best lock. He topped the top league in Japan
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  Speaker 3: for trice scoring this season with seventeen, so clearly doing
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  Speaker 3: a lots and he'll continue to push for that behind
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  Speaker 3: the scenes. But you're right, we don't want it to
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  Speaker 3: be something that comes up continuously and sort of undermines
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  Speaker 3: those who are already in the squad. You've got to
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  Speaker 3: work with what you've got ultimately and who is available.
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  Speaker 4: Just one tibet. I guess on the Rennie.
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  Speaker 3: Philosophy Rugby philosophy, it was interesting, wasn't it that he
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  Speaker 3: sort of shared with us his desire around the bigger
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  Speaker 3: back in the game, go again philosophy, and this sort
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  Speaker 3: of ties into, I guess, the hallmark of Rennie's style
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  Speaker 3: around being brutal at the breakdown, real physicality, real commitment,
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  Speaker 3: and work ethic. He's always selected players on work ethic
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  Speaker 3: and character and this bigger philosophy. He talked about Artie
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  Speaker 3: Severe as an example when he was first at Kobe,
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  Speaker 3: and I think it was twenty three twenty four his
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  Speaker 3: sabbatico over there, and players analyzed and if they don't
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  Speaker 3: get back in the game, if they don't show the
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  Speaker 3: required work rate to get back on their feet and
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  Speaker 3: be available, then they were summoned to meet Rennie on
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  Speaker 3: a Tuesday, and they had to do a former fitness drill,
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  Speaker 3: hitting a tackle pad, rolling away, getting back up on
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  Speaker 3: their feet, and doing it again until they met that
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  Speaker 3: threshold for work rate. So he's one of the world's
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  Speaker 3: best players been put through his paces, and since he's
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  Speaker 3: gone back to cob Ardie Severe, he hasn't had to
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  Speaker 3: see Renny again. But it does just speak to his
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  Speaker 3: philosophy on the game and that no player is exempt
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  Speaker 3: from these standards and just what he's looking for from
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  Speaker 3: a work grate point where I found that really interesting.
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  Speaker 4: Elliott, Yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: You can read sort of an expanded version of that
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  Speaker 2: on the New Zealand Heralds under Greg Paul's premium column yesterday,
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  Speaker 2: and I think it does outline the kind of player
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  Speaker 2: that he's after, and maybe if we talk about that,
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  Speaker 2: just a shift potentially around players with heavy work rates
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  Speaker 2: more so than Bell's whistles, and you know, perhaps he
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  Speaker 2: looks for a different kind of player and maybe that
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  Speaker 2: tends to think that perhaps a Anton Signer type of
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  Speaker 2: player could be what they're looking for, potentially the loose
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  Speaker 2: forwards maybe than someone that does something brilliant a couple
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  Speaker 2: of times a game. I don't know, but it just
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  Speaker 2: felt like maybe they're looking for workhorses potentially more than
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  Speaker 2: Choponi's is the wrong word, but you know it plays
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  Speaker 2: flashy sort of players.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, possibly, I think certainly you touch on the need
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  Speaker 3: for consistent efforts rather than one flashy offload and then
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  Speaker 3: going out of the game going missing and not hidden rucks,
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  Speaker 3: not doing the unseen work that's that ultimately sets the
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  Speaker 3: platform and generates the quick ball that that's the all
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  Speaker 3: Blacks and most teams desire. And also any sort of
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  Speaker 3: spoke we both on and off the record about leadership.
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  Speaker 3: Didn't he not specifically about who's going to be as captain.
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  Speaker 3: He's Adam and he hasn't decided that yet, but it
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  Speaker 3: did sound like he's going to reshape the leadership team.
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  Speaker 3: I think there was ten players in the leadership group
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  Speaker 3: under Scott Robertson, and it sounds like for any that's
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  Speaker 3: probably too many. He maybe wants to bring that back
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  Speaker 3: a bit and select players that really want to lead.
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  Speaker 3: And they've already had a leadership summit where they called
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  Speaker 3: on Richie McCaw, Dan Carter, Kevin Milama and Steven Adams
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  Speaker 3: and Gilbert and Oka gave those people some questions and
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  Speaker 3: there was a big discussion with the leadership team from
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  Speaker 3: last year. So leadership is a clear focus overall for
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  Speaker 3: Renie as well. So I think these are all positive steps.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that are too. And look, we're no
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  Speaker 2: closer to knowing who the next All Blacks captain is.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously Scott Barrett hasn't got out on the field this year.
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  Speaker 2: There's no confirmation. Of course, there was a bit of
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  Speaker 2: speculation Artie sav Man at play in July, so it's
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  Speaker 2: going to be interesting to see what Dave Rennie does
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  Speaker 2: with at least as national captain and whether that changes
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  Speaker 2: some of his thinking around the rest of the year
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  Speaker 2: as well.
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  Speaker 4: NAPS.
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  Speaker 2: You also obviously had Steve Lancaster and for an interview.
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was a good wide ranging chat around
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  Speaker 2: a number of issues in the game, and I he's
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  Speaker 2: got a bit to get his head around, given he's
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  Speaker 2: now got the top job. But for the listeners they
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  Speaker 2: haven't heard that. I thought it was a good chat,
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  Speaker 2: a good chance to sort of dig a little bit
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  Speaker 2: deeper into some of his philosophies around rugby and New Zealand.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, he's only just got his feet under the
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  Speaker 3: desk and got plenty on his plate.
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  Speaker 4: But I thought he spoke well.
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  Speaker 3: I thought as well Worth for listen, he didn't shy
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  Speaker 3: away from any of the hard questions and we covered
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  Speaker 3: a range of topics. So definitely wrap the ears around
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  Speaker 3: it and you hit us with any feedback, and I'm
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  Speaker 3: sure we'll catch up with him later in the year again.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, look forward to it. Right, let's get into the
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  Speaker 2: upcoming weekend of Super Rugby, real crunch time for a
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  Speaker 2: couple of these teams that need wins on the outside
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  Speaker 2: looking in of the top six, the Chiefs and Honders.
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  Speaker 2: On Friday night, the Chiefs deciding to put McKenzie back
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  Speaker 2: to fullback Josh Jacobs at ten, quint to Pie basically
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  Speaker 2: gets a week off. Do you see any opportunity for
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  Speaker 2: the Highlanders to come up to Hamilton and leave with
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  Speaker 2: four competition points if not five for.
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  Speaker 4: Them, Well, it's not out of the question, Elliott.
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  Speaker 3: But in short, no, I don't see them upsetting their
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  Speaker 3: apple cut there. The Chiefs going back to Hamilton, they'll
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  Speaker 3: love that. And while quenter Pie has been rested, they've
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  Speaker 3: got pretty good depth on the whole a good chance
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  Speaker 3: for Jacob. I don't think the Chiefs will persist with
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  Speaker 3: that throughout their run to the playoffs, but look, if
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  Speaker 3: he puts in a commanding performance, maybe they'll give Johnny
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  Speaker 3: Gibbs something to think about.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I'm going to go to the
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  Speaker 2: Chiefs as well, but they've obviously got a number of
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  Speaker 2: outside back injuries too, which was probably played a part.
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  Speaker 2: But they also need to keep developing Jacob, who incidentally
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  Speaker 2: gives course going to the Highlanders next year. So chance
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  Speaker 2: to Jamie Joseph to get a look at him playing
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  Speaker 2: ten as well. The Fiji and draw hosting the war Atars.
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  Speaker 2: Big game for the Waratars, who probably are going to
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  Speaker 2: Mister Plows but certainly need to win this to keep
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  Speaker 2: their hopes alive. The drawer hosting this one who gets
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  Speaker 2: the chocolates?
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  Speaker 3: I think the juror at home has been hugely underwhelming.
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  Speaker 3: Great comeback I guess and Dunedin last week, but wasn't enough.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think a patchy performance like that is going
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  Speaker 3: to be enough in Fiji and the challenging climate that
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  Speaker 3: it is over there.
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  Speaker 2: Blues Hurricanes. Perhaps the match of around from the New
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  Speaker 2: Zealand perspective. The Blues bringing back in Bone Barrett to
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  Speaker 2: ten and on Signa to their run on side six
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  Speaker 2: two bench as well, the Hurricanes restoring a lot of
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  Speaker 2: those players that missed last week, but no Josh Morby
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  Speaker 2: who is apparently being rested after four tries last week.
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  Speaker 2: The Hurricanes heads Eden Parking and Grave the wind Napes.
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  Speaker 2: This is a bit of a silly question for you,
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  Speaker 2: but answer it anyway.
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  Speaker 3: Look, I'll tip them to Elliott, but a little bit
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  Speaker 3: nervous about this one. I think this is where we
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  Speaker 3: see how big of an out and influenced cam Rorigard
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  Speaker 3: is on the Hurricanes, and no Dup see Carrifi as well,
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  Speaker 3: which weekends the loose for depth somewhat. But I think
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  Speaker 3: it's as really intriguing to see kinnin a holo and
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  Speaker 3: fining and all four combined on the wings to absolutely
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  Speaker 3: lethal options. So I think the Hurricanes will be doing
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  Speaker 3: all they can to get them as much ball as possible.
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  Speaker 3: In the Blues, I think they'll that six to two
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  Speaker 3: bench you mentioned, They'll continue their theme of being fairy direct,
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  Speaker 3: but the Hurricanes pack has really stood up to that
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  Speaker 3: test this year, so I'll stick with them to get
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  Speaker 3: the chocolates.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to get the Blues because they need the win.
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  Speaker 2: Lost to the Crusaders last weekend. We're actually quite poor,
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  Speaker 2: I thought for parts of that. They need to win.
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  Speaker 2: I'm thinking return high and possibly their last home game
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  Speaker 2: of the season. I think they get up for it
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  Speaker 2: and beat the Hurricanes. I'm saying that also because I
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  Speaker 2: need to close the gap and sipping, so they're going
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  Speaker 2: to get wider. I'm going to close the gap. I'm
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  Speaker 2: also incidentally picking the Wartads to beat the Drawer and
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  Speaker 2: the Force Reds to round out a full game week in.
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  Speaker 2: This is in perftly, you know, the Forcer on the
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  Speaker 2: outside looking in obviously o the playoffs, but they've been
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  Speaker 2: in some really good form al though I lost to
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  Speaker 2: the Brumbies last week.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fairly disappointed by the Force Earliot having got
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  Speaker 3: on their bandwagon, they dropped their bundle in Canberra and
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  Speaker 3: they've lost their starting halfback for the season to an
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  Speaker 3: Aco Andrea. He was fairly influential so and I was
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  Speaker 3: pretty impressed by what the Reds dished up against the Chiefs.
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  Speaker 3: Fairly unlucky, I thought in Brisbane. So I'll change tech
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  Speaker 3: and go with the Reeds.
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  Speaker 2: The Force at Home so the only one we've gone
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  Speaker 2: same with this week as the Chiefs over the Highlanders.
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  Speaker 2: You have a seven point lead over me in the
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  Speaker 2: standings as well as it stands. That'll do us for
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  Speaker 2: our third podcast of the week, Napes Thinkers. Thank you
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  Speaker 2: as always and we'll catch you early part of next
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  Speaker 2: week for a wrap up.
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  Speaker 4: Look forward to it Mate Me Direct.
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  Speaker 2: For another week. We will see early part of next
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  Speaker 2: week with another episode. Thanks to Mark Kelly for producing
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