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Episode 105: Reviewing More Short Stories from "From a Certain Point of View: The Empire Strikes Back" · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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  Hello there. It's most things Kenobi.
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  This is the podcast you're looking for.
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  Hi everyone, welcome to another episode of most things Kenobi.
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  A podcast about Obi-Wan Kenobi and all things.
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  Star Wars. I'm your host Leanne, and I'm
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  your host Lauren. This week we've brought notes.
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  We got notes because we do three pages single-spaced.
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  Yes, I have to. So clearly we've got things to
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  discuss and this week, we're talking about another set of
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  stories from The Empire Strikes Back from a certain point of
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  view, which we listened to on Audible.
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  It was a very generous gift from one of our dear friends and
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  fans, you can OB wolf. So yes, thank you John.
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  Yes, thank you. He's been kind of guiding us
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  onto like, which ones we should listen to because there's a lot
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  and we will get you all of them. But in what order John has
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  helped us well because you're right there, so many chapters
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  and I want to say right up front.
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  These are really well written. Well, crafted short stories.
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  They really are. They are, I mean, from the sound
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  to the, I mean, yes, we're doing it through audible, not
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  sponsored, but, like, yes, we're doing it with the sound, but
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  even so the writing. Yes, writing is so good and I
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  love that. They each one kind of has a
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  theme and they just stick with it.
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  It's very centered and that's like a special skill.
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  Not everyone's really. Good at writing, both long form
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  and short stories and Beth Revis is one of the writers she wrote
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  Rebel Rising, right? That was the book that we
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  reviewed before. Yes.
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  And she wrote one of the ones that were reviewing today.
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  Exactly. And so she said she was very
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  good and very good at both forms so I just want to say shout out
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  to these skilled writers because short stories are not everyone's
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  Forte. Like not every writer is good at
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  it and these are really damn good.
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  And I noticed that from the previous episode that we did,
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  where we covered a few of these stories to this version of us
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  covering these stories. They really hone in on the
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  spirit of the characters that they're talking about.
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  And in fact, you'll see it's not always the main character.
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  They might be referencing a main character, but it's through a
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  certain point of view. A point of view that may not get
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  a lot of attention that doesn't have a huge background to So
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  from that, you kind of have to it's us, it's a moment in time
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  in one of the movies and it's expanded upon in a short story,
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  and I think that takes a lot of skill.
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  So I Same Same Heart, same right here, I agree.
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  What do you want to talk about the first lesson?
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  Yes, that is the title of the first story that we're going to
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  cover in this episode. Yes.
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  Kenobi will. Thank you for guiding our hand
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  on this. You have not disappointed.
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  These are all freaking, excellent choices.
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  But know what it makes me want to blow through all the other
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  ones. But I got to pace myself.
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  I know. Well in also of, so this was
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  written by Jim's up but it was read by Mark Thompson.
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  So Ed, he did a freaking great guy.
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  I thought I loved his voice like the control he had when he said
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  the word Yoda the first time was that was like butter.
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  Well was he reading it, Luke? Did he do Luke's voice in this?
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  Or was that pulled from something?
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  Because it sounded he, he did it and I actually think he might
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  have read it. Audiobook, that was about Luke
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  at some point that came out like many, many years ago, but I'm
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  not sure, but yes, he he was doing his Yoda was really good.
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  The whole thing was fantastic. He had me wondering.
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  Is he doing that? Is he doing Luke?
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  There's the yeah, like, it was really good.
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  So this story. Three, for those who don't know.
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  It's a it's from Yoda's point of view, when Luke arrives for the
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  first time on Dagobah. And yes, You know what?
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  I really liked about this right off the bat was I didn't quite
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  know where it was going at first, but the description of
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  Dagobah, when it got into it, made it even more.
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  Like, in my brain visually appealing then, well, the like
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  the swampy. Misty thing we see in Empire
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  Strikes Back the sounds of the birds and not just not just the
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  Sounds in the in the audiobook but like the actual description
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  of like a creature here, another insect they're really Really
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  liked that part. I thought it was great.
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  I did too. It was, it was the perfect way
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  to set up an environment without over describing very true.
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  So many times, especially with sci-fi, I feel like sci-fi genre
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  writers have a tendency to over explain and over describe
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  because it's a fantasy world and I liked that they named
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  creatures in this, but didn't describe what they were.
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  You don't need to know. You get the sense by the The
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  short, little, whatever they said they were eating or
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  however, they were moving. It's like, I don't need to know
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  what it is. Like that sense, the emotion,
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  the environment, the energy like that was all conveyed, very
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  beautiful. I thought the pros in this were
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  beautiful. I loved the way this person
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  wrote. Yes.
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  And and the you knew it was Yoda meditating and he was tapping
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  into the force and sensing all of these creatures around him.
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  And so it the way that it was delivered, Has perfect, like you
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  said to creature, was eating something or slithering away, or
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  chirping here? There is something and it's like
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  those things that if I were to imagine what the force would be
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  like, if I was meditating in a place, like, Dagobah, I would
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  feel all of these like, entities around me.
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  Yeah. And so, it really kind of
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  brought the force to life in a way that I wasn't expecting.
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  I really liked it. Obviously, I loved it too.
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  And I my God, I just want to read one of the lines When they
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  were first, describing all of these things, being felt at
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  alive and Yoda and he wrote, he was describing Yoda.
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  He said a name and identity a show of crude matter, housed on
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  a form set upon this sharpened point of time and all the points
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  preceding it. I had to pause it.
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  I was like wow. That was that was really
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  beautiful. Yes.
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  The sharpened point of time was excellent.
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  I really think. Remember that to use the really
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  well-written because it's, it's implying how important Yoda is,
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  but it also made me think each one of us is that true?
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  Yeah, we're all sitting on a very specific point in time at
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  all times exactly. It implies that each person even
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  though you might feel mundane your important.
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  You're here on this specific point for a specific reason.
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  Yeah. Knows what that reason is.
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  I don't know but I just love that about this story.
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  I was very like, hippie meditation.
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  I love it. Yes, I think that, I think they
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  said, like, meditation isn't a body at rest.
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  It's a body. Yes.
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  You know, getting things. Yeah.
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  And it was described, this is I wrote this down Yoda want to dig
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  a buffer rest and the acceptance of his past mistakes and past
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  foolishness. Now, I don't know if we've
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  gotten any admission. Until now that Yoda had made a
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  mistake. I mean, there were hints that
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  obviously things had gone wrong in Revenge of the Sith.
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  Yes, but I thought it was great that he went there for rest to
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  ride it out until his time was done, right and to accept.
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  And I think that's a huge part of like being with yourself
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  meditating. If anyone's ever meditated
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  before, it's kind of accepting moving past it, feeling it, and
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  then letting it go and So is as someone who meditates myself.
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  I got that and I thought it was great that this nine hundred
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  year old being, which they even State a nine hundred year old
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  Jedi Master, Had to, you know, acknowledge all of this.
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  And I thought it was great. A lot of things went bad.
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  Yeah, leading up to his time and Dagobah.
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  Well, yeah, I also, I wrote down a line from that section 2 where
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  he was describing that. Now, he needs his Cane for real,
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  because he's, oh, yes. And he says, his fighting form
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  long behind him, replaced with even greater, Inner Strength,
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  Enlightenment and acceptance. And I just saw how beautiful
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  That is and something that each person could like, I personally
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  strive for that, it's hard to accept yourself.
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  Accept your mistakes and voted for Yoda To Be Heaven except 900
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  years worth of stuff. Seriously, I would taste that
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  would take some time. Yeah, I would, I would I would I
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  don't know how much how I guess, only 20, some years or 19.
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  How old is Luke 19. His 19, I think, buy a new hope.
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  But this is a few years later, I always forget how many years
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  because there's like, they also need Aid.
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  Yeah, because they said that Obi-Wan had already Appeared as
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  a ghost basically to Yoda by this point.
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  So listen, Obi-Wan was like, I'm gonna give you a warning.
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  He's coming. We gotta talk.
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  We gotta talk. We're gonna question for you
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  though. Wow.
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  Do you think Yoda assumed that, when Obi-Wan came to him, that
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  Yoda assumed he was talking about Leia.
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  And now Luke, I wrote this down. Yoda relish the idea of helping
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  lab, but this this was another Luke, the Brash, Luke The
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  Reckless, Luke. The echo of his father's need to
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  control. What?
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  He could not understand. So that's the quote.
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  Yes. He, he even says I love this
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  because it's so fucking true. Potent and prophetic foreign yet
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  familiar. A Skywalk that's literally how
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  it went. It's not like that's perfect.
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  That Could, That Could describe either Skywalker, twin honestly?
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  Yes, yes, but I don't have an answer for you.
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  I think I think Yoda's bias is showing Yeah, he was hoping or
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  is it the writers bias? Or is it the imagination may be
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  pulling from both. Perhaps Yoda thought Leia would
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  be the easier one to teach and he was hoping give me the girl,
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  maybe she's like Padme, she won't be an ass.
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  Like Anakin was, you know? And who shows up the boy when I
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  wondered like the Kenobi series? Obviously.
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  Didn't exist yet but maybe this script existed and they were
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  kind of pulling from that. I don't really know.
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  I thought this was written in like 2019, but I thought it was
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  that really like stopped me in my tracks that Yoda assumed
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  Leia. And not Luke, even though
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  Obi-Wan is the one who came to him.
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  Hmm. And Yoda new ob1 was taking care
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  of Luke and Bale had Laius, I don't know.
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  Yeah I Yoda would assume I think you're right.
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  I think his Don't know, as even though this whole story was very
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  beautiful and spiritual with Yoda, I really think it showed
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  that he already had a predetermined bias against Luke.
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  Hmm. So the beautiful part is, this
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  is called the first lesson and Yoda says hmmm.
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  Most amusing this first lesson shall be, but I think it was a
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  lesson to Yoda. Yeah, as well as to Luke, it's
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  Luke's first lesson, right? But it's Yoda's first.
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  Yeah, I think so too. To a whole new page, a whole new
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  chapter Changing of the Guard, you know.
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  All the things and Yoda already had to put himself in check.
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  Yeah, because he had assumptions about Luke that were
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  immediately. I thought it was very
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  interesting that revealed in this story Yoda pops out of
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  nowhere just to see how Luke would handle the unexpected.
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  Yeah, a test and then he finds out.
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  Oh he's not predisposed to violence.
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  And I'm like, oh, where do you know?
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  I was like, okay, because I guess Anakin what a punched him
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  in the face. Well, but I know he'd at least
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  fraud that brow, but Luke was just like, he sensed him coming
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  and then questioned out of safety and then lowered the
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  Blaster, you know? So that was like Yoda's first,
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  like let's see what he's got. What I'm dealing with.
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  I thought that was interesting. I did too, I love that.
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  And I actually wrote a list of all the the Descriptors that
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  Yoda used for Luke. Okay.
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  And they're also - the started by saying he was sensing
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  something in the force, a jagged uneven thing with a strange
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  gravity of its own that Drew in tiny Motes of fear and anger
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  disturbing the stream like a flash of Darkness that Disturbed
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  the force. Yeah, but was that Yoda's fear?
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  That it was an incarnate of Anakin himself or is this the
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  fear? He felt in Luke in, like, the
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  trepidation Going to find a Jedi master.
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  See, I think he was describing Luke because it first Yoda was
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  like, is this my own fear? And they said, no, it's an
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  external thing that I'm feeling. So he was feeling Luke's fear
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  and his own anger, and then they described him as potent.
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  And prophetic Brash Reckless the echo of his father like you said
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  courageous, but foolhardy Resolute.
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  But woefully unprepared Discord, unsettling the Stream.
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  Mmmmm, then he said, repetition and small-mindedness.
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  It's a little harsh, it's harsh. Dude.
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  I was like the fuck. You could say, up farm boy, who
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  hasn't left his house or planet in x amount of years could be
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  small-minded, but sure, I don't, I think that It's just like,
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  come on, give them more credit than that.
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  I mean, he made it this far and he said, he said with the and
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  the writer or the reader did such a great job with his
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  inflection on this line, where he said that he was less than a
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  Padawan despite his age and it's like true.
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  But also who's to blame for this truth?
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  Truth like he was a boy sent without choice to live in this
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  place raised by His uncle and Uncle, you know, cranky been
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  hermit, and he didn't have any choice in the matter.
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  He's I think he's doing pretty well considering he grew up in
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  isolation. He actually is very open-minded
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  and accepting and kind to the unknown, which I think Yoda's
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  not giving him credit. He's just as Yoda has these
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  predispositions about Luke. You know, I like that they show
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  that Luke also has his own assumptions about what he's To
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  find in Yoda. So it's true.
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  I think this story is interesting because While we're
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  seeing it from Yoda's point of view, it's also a mirror of Yoda
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  reflected back very much. And, and it's interesting
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  because it kind of puts them on more of a Level Playing Field
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  than they realize that, you know, Yoda is having these
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  assumptions same as Luke. They're both wrong.
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  Yeah. In a way.
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  And so, I don't know, it gives such depth to the scene that
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  seems kind of like a little bit light-hearted.
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  He's you know artuz there and actually he saw R2D2.
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  He said of course Luke had Anakin's oldroyd with him quote
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  such cycles of Fate. Yes and I thought I laughed out
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  loud. What I heard that I was like oh
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  yeah course Yoda even knows our Sue teaching.
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  Yes. And and another quote that I
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  wrote down was and this is to piggyback off of your prior
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  statements Luke's form had yet to be set in one mold or Another
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  his glory or downfall was yet to be defined and I think that's
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  what changes Yoda's. Kind of bias a little bit.
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  Here was still a moldable subject.
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  Yeah. Anakin came to the Jedi Council
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  with so many things already stacked against him.
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  He was too old. He was a slave, he was this and
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  that, you know, all these things and he had an attitude.
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  So like Sure, I'm gonna give Yoda a little bit of a break
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  here in like, oh, that's a lot to handle.
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  I don't know if I can do another one of these Skywalker's I
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  should have got the girl but like then he realizes right
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  away. Like all looks a little
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  different. I'm working with something
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  different. Here, I can do this.
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  Yeah, I liken to think of how he's being seen here and then
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  compare him to how he becomes in Return of the Jedi, you know,
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  it's like yeah. And and to find a teacher who
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  Already has a bias against you and still be open enough to take
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  his lessons except what he's teaching you and I think that's
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  really truthful because how much of us when someone is like
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  criticizing us even if they're right would put up a wall or
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  like just like, fuck you, we're not going to listen.
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  And then later when you're by yourself the lesson permeates
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  and it gets through to you and you do accept it and like take
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  it to heart and I think that's more like what Luke would be,
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  you know, you know. Cuz he leaves during Empire
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  Strikes Back and he goes to rescue his friends, but that
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  doesn't mean that Yoda's lessons aren't permeating, you know.
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  Right, right. Yeah.
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  So I think I think he's, I just, it makes me love Luke even more
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  because he is like a real person who is carrying this burden
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  without asking and, and does it honestly with a lot of Grace.
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  I think, considering that sounds like Obi-Wan.
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  To me it, you're right, he's a product Luke is a product of all
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  kinds of hands in the pot there but they're all good hands like
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  and and I can't help but think I know we have our qualms with the
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  Last Jedi but Liotta reappears to Luke.
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  Hmm you know and I think that's wonderful.
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  He never stops being his master. Yeah.
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  And I also still love that Luke goes.
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  Hey, just like 20 year old with Attitude.
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  Yeah, like that's never changed. Well, the, the quote, that I
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  ended with my notes said, could he bring balance to the force
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  Yoda would try to show him away toward the light?
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  No, he would not try. There is no try.
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  Whoa, I'm so good. I like that.
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  Great. Yeah, it was a really well
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  bookended piece. I really liked it.
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  I thought it was really really good. so our next story, Is
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  about Vader. Kind of, it's actually quite
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  sad, but there's a lot. This is the one by Beth Revis.
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  It's called. What is it the last time?
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  What's the full? What's the full title for the
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  last time for the last time? Yes.
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  Yeah. So this story is actually about
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  P it which when he becomes Admiral?
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  Yeah. Because great.
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  Yeah. The other one.
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  Got choked out. Yeah.
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  Bye-bye Admiral ozzel. They talk about it but I had I
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  really This one is totally different from the one we just
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  talked about. Yeah, but I have so many things
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  written down for this one. I do too.
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  This was even it's a different writing style.
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  It was it has a different tone. It's much darker, it's very
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  dark. The thing I like to about it is
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  it takes a regular idea that most people have and shows that
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  P. It has the opposite idea and
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  that's why he's successful. Yeah.
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  Because I don't like it, but I love it.
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  Well, I did most people that. The like root of this story is
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  the idea of using fear, right? And so most people, and this is
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  how I would probably describe Vader.
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  Even is like, if you have a lack of fear, you have power, right?
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  If you have control over your fear and like, who is Vader
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  going to fear, except the Empire or the the emperor specifically,
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  correct, right. But piates idea, is that fear,
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  is what makes him strong and like yes, gives him power and
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  insight. Because he's afraid all the time
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  which I think is so interesting. It's wild.
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  It's it really describes like tyranny as a whole.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  And it's they see in the story, there are two types of men just
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  there. As there are two types of power.
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  People are ruled either by fear or by a false sense of security
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  men who took their power knew how to make a fist, those who
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  lived in fear or strong and the element And symbolism of a fist
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  through this whole story. Just kept going and going.
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  And I fucking loved it. Me too.
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  I wrote that line down to it's so good and and like that it's
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  referencing back to Tarkin that like piett lived.
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  This by watching Tarkin, which makes me think, yeah, Tarkin is
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  an ass. So yeah, yeah, I would have
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  learned that two from him, right?
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  Well and it made me think of chronic in a way through true
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  because they're like, people marching Around like they own.
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  The place are the ones who are actually week.
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  Yeah. Ones who know that they have
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  power. I have a totally different
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  attitude all together. It's so interesting.
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  I love it. They say that.
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  This is a line. It says, pray has the luxury of
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  ignorance. A hunter knows the terror of
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  starvation though if the prey was not killed.
• 23:36
  So who really Has the I just, this is so good and the fact
• 23:42
  that he likes this, I know, right?
• 23:47
  He thrives in this he belongs in the Empire, right?
• 23:52
  Like, that's what he's one of the ones who makes it like, all
• 23:54
  the way to the end. You doesn't get killed.
• 23:56
  And it's crazy because By looking at him.
• 24:01
  He's always the one who's kind of like he does his job but he's
• 24:04
  always kind of like kind of very nervous about is doing.
• 24:07
  Now we know why he's made himself that way.
• 24:12
  Yes so there was also this line that I just fucking loved
• 24:18
  Admiral ozzel had walked across the bridge of the executor is if
• 24:21
  it were his right. But Lord, Vader's Strode over
• 24:24
  the black enamel as though he would burn it from the sky.
• 24:27
  Before he let anyone take it. It from him.
• 24:30
  Amen. Bitch this just reminds me of
• 24:36
  this is a really weird reference but go with me.
• 24:39
  The Russians during the War of 1812, against Napoleon Napoleon,
• 24:44
  invades Russia, and Russians burn Moscow to the ground, so
• 24:49
  that the French can't take it. And I'm like, this is Vader.
• 24:55
  Checks out Yoda ID. Of that you would rather destroy
• 25:02
  thing. Then let someone take it from
• 25:04
  you that kind of power that kind of like fixation is so
• 25:09
  interesting to me, I love it. Well II was picturing that
• 25:14
  walkway. The shiny black.
• 25:17
  His boots that came fluttering with the fan, the Beyonce fan
• 25:21
  from somewhere. And then all of these
• 25:24
  unsuspecting ladder climbers trying to get to where Vader is.
• 25:29
  You know, to be with it. A I think it's even said in
• 25:32
  there that something about trying to get to the emperor
• 25:35
  being as hired getting to a rank.
• 25:38
  Like yeah, you'll never get there because you don't have
• 25:41
  that ruthlessness. Well then, by the end P, it
• 25:44
  almost says, if it takes what Vader indoors to be of them for
• 25:50
  said, maybe, he doesn't really want that.
• 25:53
  Yeah, no, let's get into that. Because this whole thing I was I
• 25:56
  was typing as fast as I could on my document, pausing rewinding.
• 25:59
  Winding pausing rewinding, because, yeah, here's another
• 26:02
  quote, everything. Piete had.
• 26:05
  He had taken, he suspected the same as Vader.
• 26:10
  Like that Vader also did but here's what I wrote down.
• 26:15
  I think that's an interesting and very incorrect thought
• 26:18
  because everything Anakin had was taken from him by the
• 26:23
  emperor interesting. You're right.
• 26:27
  So in fact Vader hasn't taken anything Vader has had
• 26:31
  everything taken from him. And now he's taking because he's
• 26:36
  got nothing left. He lives in that anger that the
• 26:39
  emperor. Yeah, basically forced him into.
• 26:43
  I mean, I'm not saying that Anakin is, is it is it isn't
• 26:49
  here. He made every choice he made,
• 26:52
  you know, brainwashed or not. But the influence was he had
• 26:55
  everything taken, every single fucking thing, down to his legs,
• 26:59
  taken from him, and he thought people owed him for it, you
• 27:02
  know. Obi-Wan told him though, Whole
• 27:04
  galaxy. Fuck the Jedi.
• 27:05
  All this anger you know that is like a classic form of abuse
• 27:11
  that you? Yes.
• 27:12
  Empty a person. You empty them like a vessel,
• 27:15
  and then you offer them a way to fill themselves back up.
• 27:18
  So you that person thinks that they're getting the thing they
• 27:23
  want, but what they don't realize is, by this point,
• 27:25
  they're so abused by the other. Yes, Turtle force that they
• 27:28
  don't realize. That's the person who took
• 27:30
  everything from them. It's so interesting as so,
• 27:34
  Brilliant. And I loved I loved the
• 27:37
  description of what piatt saw evaders body.
• 27:44
  It's the scene where he goes in to give a report to Vader and
• 27:47
  he's sitting in his meditation chamber.
• 27:49
  And piatt sees Vader's skull before his helmet comes on.
• 27:53
  That's what this whole scene is about.
• 27:56
  And that, that was so well written.
• 27:58
  It was so well written, and it made me squirm and everyone
• 28:02
  knows what that scene looks. Looks like yes, mmm, the
• 28:08
  description of Vader's neck and his head was awful like, that
• 28:12
  was yeah, it was so good. I mean it, I mean, awful in the
• 28:16
  way that it was, it painted such a vivid picture.
• 28:20
  That was, yes, we know how gruesome it is.
• 28:22
  I should say, the word, gruesome, not awful, because
• 28:24
  it's excellent writing. It's just, it's terrible to
• 28:28
  imagine and hear it, you know, Beneath The Mask, he had known
• 28:32
  Vader was a human but he did. No, just how broken of a human.
• 28:37
  Yes. Oh, it's so good.
• 28:39
  It's so good. I have the whole like descriptor
• 28:43
  written down. If I if you want me to read this
• 28:45
  do it do it. Let's let's give the give me the
• 28:48
  chills to everybody because I relive it.
• 28:49
  Let's do it. Okay, it is it is gruesome but
• 28:53
  it's so fucking well written. It's just the shiny black helmet
• 28:57
  to send it over. Lord Vader's head or what
• 28:59
  remained of it raw wrinkled skin with was streaked with veins and
• 29:05
  painful looking. Well it's a tall neckpiece
• 29:08
  seemed to do the work of Lord. Vader's spine supporting the
• 29:12
  bulbous mass of Flesh stretched over the patchwork skull whole
• 29:17
  fucking so good. So horrifying, it's so terrible
• 29:24
  more than a dozen Electro. Bolts screwed into the neck
• 29:27
  piece, connecting to Lord Vader's nerves.
• 29:32
  Can we just take a second? This used to be the hero with no
• 29:36
  fear. Yeah, that what a fucking said
• 29:40
  and in fact I have the quote, a Walking Corpse he thought.
• 29:45
  Yes, that white skin. I don't want it more.
• 29:49
  This is this is gruesome but like I never thought of it's so
• 29:55
  obvious that I didn't even think of it that Vader is a Walking
• 30:00
  Corpse and not just physically but internally there was nothing
• 30:07
  left. Left of the person that used to
• 30:09
  be that human. Yes.
• 30:13
  So, which is why that's Dean has so much gravity and Kenobi
• 30:16
  because if you've watched the Clone Wars, you know, it's like
• 30:19
  yes, the prequels were great but Clone Wars was seven seasons of
• 30:23
  giving us Anakin, they selfless hero and then to see it in the
• 30:29
  Kenobi Series where he says, I killed Anakin Skywalker.
• 30:32
  Like I didn't want to be that person anymore and now to hear
• 30:36
  this description of him It's just like yeah, the whole Arc of
• 30:39
  this character is just the word is gruesome everything about it,
• 30:43
  it's heartbreaking. There's a question that.
• 30:49
  Piete poses just gonna say, oh yeah, yes, we're on the same
• 30:55
  page with this 100%. This is the question.
• 30:59
  I have wondered in some form or another and it was made vocal in
• 31:04
  this. Quote, what makes a man choose
• 31:08
  this over death? Why would Vader choose such
• 31:13
  pain? Yeah, I mean this is a split
• 31:17
  second you know, if you've walked in and saw this private
• 31:20
  moment you knew you weren't supposed to see it and it's this
• 31:22
  gruesome and you think what the fuck would make someone go on
• 31:26
  after? I mean, why why yeah, what makes
• 31:29
  a man choose this? Yeah.
• 31:34
  Did Vader actually choose it. He was known to have tried to
• 31:38
  commit suicide. But really suit prevented him.
• 31:43
  I know I've read that somewhere comic behind-the-scene
• 31:47
  something. I be so interested to see this
• 31:51
  he tried and Palpatine just stopped it every single time
• 31:56
  like he could try and electrocute himself but he
• 31:59
  couldn't because there is a backup safety to a suit and
• 32:02
  like, you know, it's just like at any moment you think you just
• 32:06
  take the helmet off, bro, you know that?
• 32:08
  But right Palpatine was always. Are so he was a fucking
• 32:14
  prisoner. Yeah, he was a fucking slave
• 32:19
  since day one. I mean, it's, it's like, did he
• 32:22
  choose this? I want to, I want to backhand
• 32:25
  Pia. And be like, he didn't choose it
• 32:27
  bitch. But he did in a way because he
• 32:30
  made the ultimate choice that factored into all of this.
• 32:33
  But God. Yeah, I mean it makes you wonder
• 32:37
  like, why he doesn't screw away. Just some edge of the Galaxy
• 32:41
  were held petite and doesn't find him, you know, he got heat,
• 32:44
  not possible. Yeah, and I'm that's what I'm
• 32:47
  like. So, excited to write my third
• 32:50
  part of my dark OB when series because it's like where do you
• 32:53
  go to hide? Once you are part of Palpatine's
• 32:57
  net. You know, you can't get out of
• 32:59
  it. Now, if Palpatine has a need for
• 33:02
  you, he's going to use you. He'll find you.
• 33:04
  He will see. Stain you.
• 33:06
  Yeah, Beyond Death. He will he will force you to be
• 33:09
  alive whether you want to die or not because he's got, he's got a
• 33:12
  use for you, he's fucking crazy. Every time we talk about
• 33:18
  Palpatine, I want to just say, well, the thing that this whole
• 33:26
  seed culminates in is for a flesh of time, P it sees Vader
• 33:33
  as a man, which is never Done before and it makes him pity
• 33:38
  Vader. Yes.
• 33:39
  And I love this line where it says it was not courage that
• 33:44
  destroyed fear, it was pity. Yes, yes.
• 33:49
  So good. And he felt pity looking at
• 33:52
  Vader and thus he no longer felt.
• 33:55
  He no longer feared him and to pee at that was the ultimate
• 33:59
  Nono. Yeah, he had to shelve it to
• 34:04
  feel the fear PA. Could no longer.
• 34:06
  Imagine him as a man. He killed it and chose to feel
• 34:09
  fear and know him only as the mask and the Black Fist.
• 34:12
  So, there's that guy's symbol of the physique.
• 34:14
  And of course, when you think of Vader Force choking someone,
• 34:17
  it's the fist gives an even in that moment.
• 34:19
  He glances down evaders hands to see what they're doing.
• 34:23
  Yeah, and they're just laying on the arms of his chair open and
• 34:28
  then Vader says you have failed me for the last time and PS.
• 34:32
  Like, oh there's the fear. It's come back.
• 34:34
  There it is. It's like Vader doesn't have to
• 34:37
  do anything because he knows how I mean he's killed people from
• 34:42
  other ships with his mind. You know, fuck.
• 34:45
  It's like haha, that is. I'm sorry, but I thought is so
• 34:49
  cool. That's my boy and a kid waiting.
• 34:54
  Use your gift is not squandering his gifts at all.
• 35:00
  No way to use that Talent. Every day and every day in
• 35:07
  conference rooms with Tarkin and he's always just gonna bring out
• 35:13
  the force choke whenever I get it.
• 35:15
  I'm here for it. He's live anyway.
• 35:18
  No it's not. He's a prisoner.
• 35:20
  He literally looks like a Walking Corpse.
• 35:22
  He's not living as best life P. It is according to him.
• 35:27
  Yeah. Sniveling little terrified P.
• 35:30
  It is in his prime. Do you think that that credit
• 35:33
  you Brought up. Chronic do you think that
• 35:35
  chronic had the same thought about Vader?
• 35:39
  Do you think if, like, there is a moment in the Rogue one
• 35:45
  novelization, where he's at, Lord Vader's Castle, it's that
• 35:49
  scene, where they meet and he also for a moment.
• 35:54
  Thanks the Vader as just a man. And he's like, yeah, some man,
• 35:58
  then I can start to manipulate him and take tarkan's place
• 36:02
  because birkenhead the His ear and chronic wanted that.
• 36:06
  And that also what's chronics downfall.
• 36:10
  Now he was doing what piette said where he's trying to take
• 36:14
  power but he was he just didn't understand who had the real
• 36:20
  power in these situations. He was like two steps behind
• 36:24
  even though he thought he was on par with everyone, he was just
• 36:27
  yes slightly behind. Yes, well to wrap this up.
• 36:33
  The very, very last quote is very interesting.
• 36:38
  Hmm. So in referring to both, you
• 36:43
  know, seeing Vader and all this, he had seen past the mask and
• 36:48
  that had cracked his own meaning.
• 36:53
  Yeah yet. Yeah.
• 36:55
  And so everybody in the Empire is wearing a little bit of a
• 36:59
  mask Yes, that's what I wrote is like that.
• 37:04
  This whole like switching this idea around of like having fear
• 37:10
  be the thing that gives you strength shows.
• 37:12
  How fucked up the Empire is? Yeah yeah right yeah.
• 37:19
  I keep thinking about nemec's nemec's Manifesto and how he was
• 37:23
  saying that that kind of power is and control is unnatural.
• 37:28
  That's a good reference like the Empire has to do with these
• 37:32
  crazy things to kind of keep the control because it's not a
• 37:35
  normal state to live in and it just shows how everyone who's in
• 37:41
  the Empire especially officers have to be like different kinds
• 37:45
  of humans than, you know, like a I don't want to say normal, but
• 37:50
  like an eye on sociopathic. Yes.
• 37:55
  I don't wanna use labels incorrectly, more.
• 37:57
  That like, you have to function in a way that is very toxic to
• 38:02
  survive and do well in the Empire.
• 38:05
  And, you know, Deidre is another great example of that.
• 38:09
  I know I was just thinking of her.
• 38:10
  Yeah, I was just thinking of her.
• 38:12
  It's like, you're kind of rooting for her, but then you're
• 38:14
  like, she's kind of fucked up. Yeah, yeah.
• 38:17
  I mean, she's Another ladder climber.
• 38:20
  Yeah, you know and I'm excited to see what happens with her.
• 38:24
  Oh, I know context of this kind of story.
• 38:27
  It's like if she could to be the person who takes the power or
• 38:30
  she going to be the kind of person who thinks she's got
• 38:33
  power and gets eaten up by the system.
• 38:35
  I it could go either way, it really could.
• 38:38
  I mean I don't there's only two that sit at the top in the
• 38:43
  Empire and it's Vader and Palpatine honestly.
• 38:48
  Everyone else is just a pain. Yeah.
• 38:52
  Actually Vader's also upon. Yeah.
• 38:56
  Yeah. Well, it's very reminiscent of
• 38:58
  like Henry. The 8th was exactly the same
• 39:01
  way. Hitler was the same way.
• 39:03
  Oh for sure. Yes like Vader is Himmler, the
• 39:09
  emperor's Hitler. You know, it's like they're very
• 39:12
  similar in that sense and there is no safety.
• 39:16
  The only person who knows What's going on is the Emperor, really
• 39:21
  and we've talked about that he's in a back room with a cigarette
• 39:25
  point at all the different things mapping it out with
• 39:27
  string was a cork board. Yeah, he said it goes, these
• 39:31
  people go over here and this ties into this, this eventually
• 39:34
  leads to Ray I promise. But all of this, you know,
• 39:37
  fucking crazy shit and telling you it's all analog.
• 39:41
  It's all paper because it doesn't want anyone to hack it.
• 39:44
  So it's different. Pictures.
• 39:51
  He has a doctor's signature because nobody could read it.
• 39:56
  You no offense to the doctors out there.
• 39:58
  You know what I'm saying? Like, that's why he writes it
• 40:01
  all down. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 40:03
  I'll fucking Palpatine. So, those were enjoyable
• 40:08
  stories. Once again?
• 40:10
  Yes, highly recommend them. If you're, if you don't want to
• 40:12
  read the whole thing, these short stories are worth it.
• 40:16
  And the last two that we did, I can't remember.
• 40:18
  Our episode number was that we did it was a while back.
• 40:21
  I would say like maybe in the 70s episode 70.
• 40:25
  Maybe. So it was Episode 34, which
• 40:29
  seems like, such a long time ago.
• 40:31
  Wow, that is crazy. That's a long time ago.
• 40:35
  So if you get a chance, go back to Episode 34.
• 40:38
  If you haven't listened to it already.
• 40:39
  And here, those short stories, as well, as these ones in this
• 40:43
  episode, and we will continue the journey through.
• 40:45
  Yes, these short stories because Is there if they're all this
• 40:49
  good shit will be here, will be here a while we will have been
• 40:53
  quite a lot. So our question to you this week
• 41:01
  is very simply if you have read these stories or listen to them
• 41:06
  in that format, let us know your thoughts on these two.
• 41:11
  What your favorite favorite moments were?
• 41:13
  If you were as horrified by the To Vader spine.
• 41:19
  As we were if you were as as mad at Yoda for being a little
• 41:23
  small-minded about Luke, as we were, I was just give us your
• 41:26
  thought. And next week I'm excited we're
• 41:33
  diving into some more and or if you didn't know, I'm a bit
• 41:36
  obsessed and we and you're very good to tolerate by constant
• 41:39
  talking about and oh, wow, I had no idea you were obsessed.
• 41:42
  This is news to me really. I'm just kidding.
• 41:45
  No, you a few of the fire you gave me my shirt here.
• 41:49
  Look, here's the fan. Here's the fan to your fire.
• 41:53
  It doesn't, it doesn't take much next week.
• 41:58
  We're going to talk about our favorite.
• 42:00
  Everett some of our favorite and or quotes there are a lot.
• 42:05
  So we're going to narrow it down to three each.
• 42:07
  This will probably be something we can revisit several times,
• 42:10
  but we are going to talk some and or next week's to join us
• 42:13
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• 42:16
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• 42:19
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