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Let the Bedwetting Begin · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Dan Pfeiffer.
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  Speaker 1: On today's show, with just 25 days until Election Day,
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  Speaker 1: the Trump campaign slams the door on a final debate.
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  Speaker 1: and instead plans big rallies in blue states. We'll talk
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  Speaker 1: about why, if there is a why. The Harris campaign
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  Speaker 1: is looking to keep up the momentum with a town
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  Speaker 1: hall in Vegas, a rally in Phoenix, and by unleashing
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  Speaker 1: Barack Obama and Bill Clinton on the campaign trail. Plus,
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  Speaker 1: Nevada Senator Jackie Rosen stops by to talk with Lovett
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  Speaker 1: about her critical re-election race and how she plans to win.
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  Speaker 1: But first, Dan.
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  Speaker 2: John.
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  Speaker 1: The October freakout has begun. And this round of Democratic
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  Speaker 1: Panic has everything. Queasy stomachs, tightening polls, Doomer clickbait, and
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  Speaker 1: countless quotes from anonymous sources, second-guessing strategy, and offering all
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  Speaker 1: kinds of free advice. Welcome to the final month of
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  Speaker 1: the 2024 campaign. Just to level set, even though the
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  Speaker 1: polling gods have punished us with a few solid results
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  Speaker 1: for Trump this week, the averages remain mostly unchanged. Kamala
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  Speaker 1: Harris is up three nationally. and by a single point
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  Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Nevada. She's down a point
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  Speaker 1: in North Carolina and Georgia, and down two in Arizona.
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  Speaker 1: I think the polls over the last week have changed
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  Speaker 1: by an average of. 3,. 4, depending on what average
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  Speaker 1: you're looking at. And yet, worries abound with reporting that
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  Speaker 1: Democrats are concerned about how Harris is doing with everyone
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  Speaker 1: from black men in Detroit to Latinos in Nevada to
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  Speaker 1: young voters everywhere. The race for control of the House
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  Speaker 1: has gone from A slight Democratic advantage to pure toss-up.
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  Speaker 1: The Senate appears to be slipping away from Democrats with
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  Speaker 1: new Time Sienna polls confirming what other polls have found.
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  Speaker 1: Jon Tester is down considerably in Montana, while Colin Allred
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  Speaker 1: and Debbie Mucursel-Powell are trailing in Texas and Florida. This podcast,
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  Speaker 1: we're adopting your motto, Dan. Worry about everything, panic about nothing.
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  Speaker 1: I know you've got a big Polar Coaster episode that's
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  Speaker 1: going to be on Tuesday. this feed, on the PSA
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  Speaker 1: feed this Sunday, conversations with David Plouffe and Carlos Odio,
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  Speaker 1: two of the smartest strategists in the Democratic Party. I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to steal from those conversations, but maybe you
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  Speaker 1: could tell us how we should think about the race
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  Speaker 1: right now and what, if anything, is worrying you about
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  Speaker 1: the numbers.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I would encourage everyone to tune in on Sunday.
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  Speaker 2: David Plouffe, who people probably know, was our boss in
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  Speaker 2: the Obama campaign, and he's a senior advisor on the
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  Speaker 2: Harris campaign, and he lays out where the race stands
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  Speaker 2: right now, and their plan for winning over the next
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  Speaker 2: three weeks here. So it's a great conversation. I encourage
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  Speaker 2: you to listen. It'll be out, as you said, on
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  Speaker 2: the PSA feed on Sunday. Here's where we are, John.
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  Speaker 2: This race could not be closer. Every single battleground state
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  Speaker 2: is within their margin of error. It is essentially a tie.
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  Speaker 2: A normal polling error in either direction, just because polls
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  Speaker 2: are imprecise, could mean Trump wins, could mean Harris wins.
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  Speaker 2: It is very possible. This is not us telling you
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  Speaker 2: or not me telling you not to wet the bed
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  Speaker 2: or not to worry or anything like that. Donald Trump
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  Speaker 2: could win this race. He has a lot going for him.
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  Speaker 2: The political environment favors him in some ways. It did
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  Speaker 2: not in previous elections. He won in 16. He almost
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  Speaker 2: won in 20. But when you look at everything, you
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  Speaker 2: look at the map, the polls, the campaigns, who has
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  Speaker 2: more money, how they're spending their money, how they're organized.
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  Speaker 2: As I sit here today, and I wrote this in
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  Speaker 2: MessageBox last weekend, I think that this is a toss-up race.
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  Speaker 2: But if I had to pick which side I would
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  Speaker 2: rather be, I would rather be Kamala Harris because I
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  Speaker 2: think She has the better campaign. Her campaign is better resourced.
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  Speaker 2: She's a better candidate. She has a slightly higher ceiling
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  Speaker 2: than Trump does and a clearer path to a victory
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  Speaker 2: number and enough battlegrounds to get her to 270. But
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  Speaker 2: this could not be closer, right? It's going to be
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  Speaker 2: incredibly close. I would be shocked if there was something
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  Speaker 2: that moved the polls in any significant way over this
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  Speaker 2: next period of time here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, a polling error could mean Trump wins or Kamala
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  Speaker 1: wins or another kind of error, which is uh, not
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  Speaker 1: getting friends out to vote or, or not working hard
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  Speaker 1: enough to get people out to the polls because in a,
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  Speaker 1: in a race that's this close, I mean, you're talking
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  Speaker 1: literally a couple of votes per precinct in a given
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  Speaker 1: swing state that could, uh, if, you know, if, if
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  Speaker 1: a couple of votes per precinct went the other way, uh,
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  Speaker 1: it would have changed. It could have changed the race
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  Speaker 1: in 2016. It could have changed the race in 2020.
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  Speaker 1: And this is on track to be as close as
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  Speaker 1: those races, if not closer than 2020, which was pretty
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  Speaker 1: damn close. One thing that stuck out at me, I
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  Speaker 1: think you read this too, because we both read all
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  Speaker 1: the same shit all the time. Dave Wasserman, redistrict at
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  Speaker 1: the Cook Political Report. They have been doing battleground state polls.
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  Speaker 1: The most recent set they did was a couple of
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  Speaker 1: weeks ago. He actually broke them down in a really
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  Speaker 1: helpful way to think about which voters Kamala Harris needs
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  Speaker 1: to close the deal with. So he broke these voters
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  Speaker 1: into three categories, right? One is high engagement voters, which
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  Speaker 1: they defined as people who have voted in 2016, 2020, 2022, 2024, right?
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  Speaker 1: So the presidential and the midterms over the last decade.
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  Speaker 1: And this in their polls, which was a big sample,
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  Speaker 1: like 3,500 voters in the swing states, though not national.
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  Speaker 1: That's about 60% of the electorates. It's a big chunk
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  Speaker 1: of the electorate. They favored Biden and now Kamala by
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  Speaker 1: four points over Trump. They happen to be whiter, older.
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  Speaker 1: 93% say they are absolutely voting. Their views of inflation
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  Speaker 1: and the economy are improving, have improved over the last year.
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  Speaker 1: And so she's doing great with those voters, but so
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  Speaker 1: is Joe Biden. And they make up a big chunk
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  Speaker 1: of the electorate, right? These are probably all the people
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  Speaker 1: who are listening to this podcast. Then there are the
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  Speaker 1: low and mid-engagement voters, right? These voters make up 33%
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  Speaker 1: of the electorate. These are folks who skipped one out
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  Speaker 1: of the last four elections. Biden was losing these voters
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  Speaker 1: by 10 points. Harris has made up some ground. She's
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  Speaker 1: losing them by seven. But Trump is still doing well
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  Speaker 1: with these voters. They are less white, younger, slightly more female,
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  Speaker 1: slightly more likely to identify as independents, and much more
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  Speaker 1: likely to not have a college degree. They do not
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  Speaker 1: think the economy has improved at all. They think Trump
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  Speaker 1: is much better than Harris on change from the status quo,
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  Speaker 1: and dealing with foreign policy crises and wars. Those are
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  Speaker 1: the big issues for them. And then there are the
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  Speaker 1: new voters. These are people who have registered to vote
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  Speaker 1: since the 2022 midterms. This is interesting. They're only 7%
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  Speaker 1: of the electorate, but Biden was losing these voters by
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  Speaker 1: 10 points. Kamala is winning them by 13 points. So
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  Speaker 1: smaller segment of the electorate, but she's doing much better.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's a lot of the ground she's made
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  Speaker 1: up is both sort of consolidating the Democratic base, but
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  Speaker 1: also new voters, which Trump is doing well with, now
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  Speaker 1: she's doing better. But it's these low engagement voters, we've
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  Speaker 1: talked about this before, we talked about it when Biden
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  Speaker 1: was in the race, that are the real challenge. What
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  Speaker 1: do you think about that analysis?
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  Speaker 2: I think that that analysis is exactly right. It's why
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  Speaker 2: when everyone was running around here using, when Biden was
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  Speaker 2: still in the race, using the 2022 midterms as an
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  Speaker 2: example that Biden would ultimately prevail, it's why that was
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  Speaker 2: kind of selling snake oil to people. Because yes, if
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  Speaker 2: the electorate looked exactly like it did in 2022, then
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  Speaker 2: a Democrat would certainly win this election and win it
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  Speaker 2: relatively easily. But that's not what the electorate's going to
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  Speaker 2: look like. It is going to be, in some states,
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  Speaker 2: 40% larger than it was in 2022. And those voters
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  Speaker 2: are less friendly to us. And this is a reversal
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  Speaker 2: from how it used to be. In the Obama era,
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  Speaker 2: those voters, the less engaged voters, were more friendly to Democrats.
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  Speaker 2: And Trump has made gains there. And so in some ways,
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  Speaker 2: you can look at that and say, well, Trump's lead
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  Speaker 2: is built on pretty fragile ground. Because in order to
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  Speaker 2: get there, he needs these people who don't have a
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  Speaker 2: great history of voting to turn out. And he has
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  Speaker 2: also not built a campaign to turn those voters out.
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  Speaker 2: And Plouffe and I actually have a pretty long discussion
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  Speaker 2: about this, which I encourage people to listen to on Sunday,
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  Speaker 2: about why this is a challenge for Trump. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: this is the whole race, is can you get to
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  Speaker 2: the people? Trump's campaign is very focused on reaching those
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  Speaker 2: people where they are. It's his media strategy. It's his
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  Speaker 2: sort of pop culture brand is getting to those people.
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  Speaker 2: And you don't get to those people through CNN town
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  Speaker 2: halls and New York Times interviews and all that. You
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  Speaker 2: get to them through, and we'll talk about this with
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  Speaker 2: Kamala Harris's media strategy, a lot of sort of pop
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  Speaker 2: culture online stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. The challenge is they are less reliable, but there
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  Speaker 1: are more of them. And again, there's going to be,
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  Speaker 1: I think they estimate 43% of the voters in this
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  Speaker 1: election will have college degrees, which is a record high,
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  Speaker 1: but that still means 57% of voters are non-college and
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  Speaker 1: Trump's base is non-college white voters. And if he starts
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  Speaker 1: eating into non-college Latinos and black voters as well, particularly
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  Speaker 1: black men, you know, that's where it could, if those
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  Speaker 1: people actually turn out, that's how he wins. Just as
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  Speaker 1: in terms of how I'm feeling, like it's interesting in 2016,
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  Speaker 1: super confident, a little nervous, but super confident we were
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  Speaker 1: going to win. Polls are wrong. Didn't win. 2020, the
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  Speaker 1: polls were just, it's funny looking back at how big
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  Speaker 1: a lead Biden had in a lot of these polls.
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  Speaker 2: He was up eight points in the national polling average.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, insane.
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  Speaker 2: There was a poll that came out of up 17
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  Speaker 2: in Wisconsin towards the end.
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  Speaker 1: And look, were we all, I think we spent most
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  Speaker 1: of the end of that race being nervous that there
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  Speaker 1: would be a polling error like there was in 2016.
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  Speaker 1: Turns out the error was bigger. than 2016.
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  Speaker 2: Much bigger, yes.
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  Speaker 1: Twice as big. But we don't think about it as
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  Speaker 1: much because Biden still won because he was ahead by
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  Speaker 1: the polls in so much. But it was a bigger
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  Speaker 1: error than it was in 2016. This time around, I'm
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  Speaker 1: actually less– I don't know how you feel about this.
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  Speaker 1: I am less worried that there's going to be a
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  Speaker 1: big polling error because I think– just based on the
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  Speaker 1: way the electorate has been and how people have voted
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  Speaker 1: since 2016, that the actual electorate is split pretty evenly
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  Speaker 1: and divided pretty evenly. So I actually believe that it
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  Speaker 1: is probably a tie race, that what the polls are
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  Speaker 1: saying right now is that it's tied.
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  Speaker 2: I have gone through a similar sort of emotional rollercoaster here,
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  Speaker 2: which was cocky in 16, cautiously optimistic in 20.
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  Speaker 1: And now.
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  Speaker 2: Incredibly nervous. You should be nervous. Anyone who's not nervous
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  Speaker 2: is not paying close attention to what is actually happening
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  Speaker 2: in this race. But I think the conversation around a
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  Speaker 2: quote-unquote polling error is a little dumb at this point.
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  Speaker 2: It is totally possible that we are still undercounting Trump voters.
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  Speaker 2: That is very possible. Pollsters have tried a lot of things,
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  Speaker 2: particularly campaign pollsters. Put aside the media pollsters. The campaign
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  Speaker 2: pollsters have done a lot of things to try to
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  Speaker 2: correct for that, and they're being very conservative in their estimates.
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  Speaker 2: And their polling looks a lot like the public polling.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So it is possible. But if the polls come out
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  Speaker 2: and they say that Kamala, if the last poll average
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  Speaker 2: on election day has Kamala Harris up by two points
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  Speaker 2: in Arizona and Trump wins it by one point, that's
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  Speaker 2: not a polling error.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 2: That is just, that is the margin of error. The
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  Speaker 2: poll cannot tell you who is, in a race this close,
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  Speaker 2: a poll cannot tell you who is going to win.
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  Speaker 2: All it can tell you is the race is this close.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: A polling error would be like, Kamala Harris is down
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  Speaker 1: one in Arizona and she loses by eight. Yeah, right. Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly right. Or wins by seven, just if you
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  Speaker 2: want to do a little glass half full.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Right, right.
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  Speaker 2: Just to try to add some positivity to this. The
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  Speaker 2: other thing is, and this is probably a longer conversation,
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  Speaker 2: maybe it's a polar coaster episode, you can join me
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  Speaker 2: for it, but it's about whether 2020 is the right,
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  Speaker 2: is the exact right model for this election. Like we
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: are jamming everything and there's an entire debate about whether
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  Speaker 2: you should wait the polls so that the margins in
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  Speaker 2: the polls are of people who voted in 2020 look
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  Speaker 2: like the 2020 margins. We don't have to get into
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  Speaker 2: that nerd, that nerdy stuff right now, but a lot
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  Speaker 2: has happened since 2020. Uh, that means that politics could
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  Speaker 2: have changed, right? And we saw that in the times,
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  Speaker 2: the times Florida poll, which has Trump winning Florida by 13.
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  Speaker 2: Do I think that's correct? No, but is it possible
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  Speaker 2: Florida has moved somewhat significantly to the right since 2020
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  Speaker 2: because of, and you look at what happened in 2022,
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  Speaker 2: very possibly. But on the other hand, if you look
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  Speaker 2: at Pennsylvania and Michigan, in particular, and you look at
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  Speaker 2: what happened in 2022 in those states, it's also possible
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  Speaker 2: that those states have moved a little bit to the
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  Speaker 2: left since 2020. So when you jam everything through the
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  Speaker 2: 2020 filter, we may not be giving ourselves the exact
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  Speaker 2: right picture of what's going to happen because we are
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  Speaker 2: not allowing, in an effort to try to ensure that
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  Speaker 2: we are counting enough Trump voters in our polls, we're
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  Speaker 2: not allowing for shifts one way or the other in
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  Speaker 2: some of these states.
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  Speaker 1: All right, enough poll analysis and hand-wringing from us. Let's
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  Speaker 1: pivot to our other strong suit, Unsolicited advice. The Harris-Walls
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  Speaker 1: campaign certainly doesn't seem complacent or panicked, just very busy.
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  Speaker 1: The vice president just taped a Univision town hall in
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  Speaker 1: Vegas that will air after we record this. She's now
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  Speaker 1: heading to Phoenix for a rally and then also just
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  Speaker 1: on Thursday accepted an invitation from CNN to participate in
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  Speaker 1: a town hall on October 23rd that will take the
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  Speaker 1: place of the debate Trump was too scared to do.
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  Speaker 1: He was invited as well by CNN to do a
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  Speaker 1: town hall. Unclear if he's going to hide from that,
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  Speaker 1: just like the debate. And also the Democrats' heavy hitter
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  Speaker 1: surrogates are hitting the trail for the first time. Bill
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  Speaker 1: Clinton will campaign in rural Georgia and North Carolina this week.
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  Speaker 1: And Barack Obama is about to hold a rally in
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  Speaker 1: Pittsburgh right after we record this, of course. Let's start
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  Speaker 1: with the debate news. Trump said, quote, in addition to
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  Speaker 1: his campaign denying this, he finally really just put a
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  Speaker 1: stake in the ground with the truth yesterday that said,
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  Speaker 1: There will be no rematch. Thank you for your attention
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  Speaker 1: to this matter. So CNN canceled it and asked both
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  Speaker 1: candidates to do the town halls. So it seems like
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  Speaker 1: that's it for debates, huh?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no more debates.
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  Speaker 1: No debate. Everyone thought that Trump last minute would maybe
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  Speaker 1: come back and just, no, nothing. We're not going to
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  Speaker 1: have another debate.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it is notable that Trump has, as of
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  Speaker 2: the courting of this, skipped out a 60 Minutes interview,
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  Speaker 2: avoided a debate, has yet to agree to a town hall,
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  Speaker 2: is doing some campaigning in battleground states, but not tons.
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  Speaker 2: And I do believe that, I don't know what Trump
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  Speaker 2: thinks or care what Trump thinks, but I do think
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  Speaker 2: his campaign believes that his presence in front of swing
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  Speaker 2: voters is not necessarily a net positive.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, how long have we been saying the more Trump,
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  Speaker 1: the better? So it would make sense that they think
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: the less Trump, the better from the Trump campaign if
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  Speaker 1: they want to win, right? Which they clearly do. It
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  Speaker 1: seems like they think that in this final month, that
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: the more voters... hear from Kamala Harris, especially if she's
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  Speaker 1: doing interviews, especially if she's challenged in interviews, that they
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  Speaker 1: can use that as fodder to attack her while Trump
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  Speaker 1: just does his crazy fucking rallies that no one pays
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  Speaker 1: attention to except for the people who are already voting
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  Speaker 1: for him.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But there is, the press does not, and the Harris
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  Speaker 2: campaign does not have to take that as, accept that reality.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: I would just note that around the, so Kamala Harris
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  Speaker 2: was on the Call Her Daddy podcast. We've talked about it.
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  Speaker 2: We'll talk about it again. It was a huge deal.
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  Speaker 2: It got a ton of coverage, which is good. It
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  Speaker 2: should get a ton of coverage. Donald Trump went on
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  Speaker 2: the flagrant podcast hosted by comedian Andrew Schultz yesterday, which
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: was a very embarrassing performance for him. They kind of
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  Speaker 2: made fun of him the whole time.
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  Speaker 1: We played the clip yesterday. They laughed multiple times at him.
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  Speaker 2: And almost no one covered it. It's not part of
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  Speaker 2: the discussion.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It is. The press does not... I get it. Kamala
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  Speaker 2: Harris had done a lot of interviews. She does Call
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  Speaker 2: Her Daddy. It's huge. Call of Duty is a podcast
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  Speaker 2: also that probably a lot of the press are probably
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  Speaker 2: familiar with. The Flaker podcast is a huge podcast. They
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  Speaker 2: have millions of TikTok followers. That stuff is all over
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  Speaker 2: social media.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know about it until I looked it up
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  Speaker 1: yesterday when I saw that Trump was on it. And
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  Speaker 1: then I only knew of Andrew Schultz because I had
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: gone to the roast of Tom Brady. And he was
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: one of the people who roasted him. I'm like, who's
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: this comedian?
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: I know all these people because the Chinese government believes
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: that I am a likely Republican and they jam this
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: shit into my TikTok algorithm all the time. I get
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: so much Andrew Schultz, so much Burt Kreischer, so much
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: Theo Vaughn.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: I'm starting to get, I'm on TikTok a little more
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: just for, you know, job purposes.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: Just for research purposes.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: For election research purposes. And I'm getting like, I get
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Crooked content, I get MAGA content, and then I get
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: like Chapel Roan content. It's some like weird, weird like
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: cross-cutting stuff that I'm getting on my TikTok algorithm.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: You're an over 40-year-old white male. You are a target
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: audience for Barstool, Yeah. Bag adjacent comedians, that kind of stuff.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: Then I get some, then I get some like Taylor
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: Swift stuff. It's a real, it's a real potpourri on
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: my TikTok algorithm. So, ask Jen this on yesterday's show,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: but I wanted to hear your thoughts. The week of
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: the Kamala media blitz is almost over. Just, like too
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: many interviews to even break down one by one aside
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: from call her daddy. She did everything. Do you think
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: it was successful and was the exposure and the number
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: of voters that she probably reached, which is likely in
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: the tens of millions, was that worth the, you know,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: minor slip ups, controversies, whatever you want to call them
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: that she generated fairly or unfairly thinking about the comment
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: on The View where she said, you know, I can't
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: think of anything that I would have done differently than Biden.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: I can't really think of anything else that seems like
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: a gaffe, though Republicans just keep sending around clips of
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: her in all these interviews and are like basically saying
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: that they were disasters, which is sort of their thing.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: But I don't know. What did you think?
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: I thought it was great. I hope it's not over.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Keep doing it. This is what we have. Like this,
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: you don't have to necessarily do The View, Colbert, And
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Howard Stern in one day, every day for the next
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: three weeks. So you don't have to do that. Like
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: that's extreme. But just flood the zone going forward. You
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: have to be– do everything, right? And I would do
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: more local TV, right? Jen said this in your conversation
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: with her. Do more local TV. Do the thing where
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: you– I mean I feel sorry for the staffers who
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: have to do this. But when she sits there and
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: does an hour straight of five-minute satellite television interviews and
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: hit every mark.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Do all the podcasts. Do our podcast. Do other podcasts.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Do a Q & A for MessageBox. Do it all, right?
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Wow, Q & A for MessageBox.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: It would be awkward if she picks it over Pod
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Save America, but we'll let it get down the back end.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: And you can't worry about the controversies. And that they
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: were minor. These are, in what is a pretty gross
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: metaphor that our friend David Axelrod used to say, pimples
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: on the ass of progress.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Oh my God, he always says that.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: And you just have to keep doing it because- the
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: voters that she is trying to reach here are almost
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: impossible to reach. You just have to catch that. They're
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: not tuning in to find you. They are not Googling
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: your policy positions. They're not looking up when the CNN
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: town hall is, the Univision town hall is. They are
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: scrolling through their phone or they're watching something on television.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: And you just have to hope that for 30 to
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: 90 seconds, you can grab their attention and make them
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: want to ask more questions or be more curious about you.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: And I mean, it's an insane way to live because
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: I tried to do the math on this. So there
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: are 47 million voting age adults in the seven battleground states.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Let's assume that 6% of them are undecided or persuadable, right?
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's eight, maybe it's 10, but let's say six.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: That gets you to 2.35 million voters total that we're targeting.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Now let's say that those people turned out at the
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: same rate they did in 2020, which is 66%. Now you're,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: we're doing all of this for 1.5 million voters. And
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: you're hoping to just get 52% of those.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: And these are, and these are, and those voters, they just,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: like I said, they happen to be, they happen to
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: be younger. They are not consuming as much, forget about
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: political news, just news in general and the information they
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: are getting if it's from somewhere like TikTok or Facebook
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: or wherever, pick your poison, not necessarily going to be reliable,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: which is where the like, you know, which is why
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: I'm sure Trump campaign and right-wing media ecosystem is just
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: like picking out whatever clips they can from all of
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: her appearances and sending them around and acting like they're
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: a big fucking disaster. Trump's, you know, harping on the
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: 60 minutes thing, which we will get to in a second.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: But I do think the answer is to just keep
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: doing it because, One advantage of doing so many interviews
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: and doing them so frequently is if there is a
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: gaffe or a slip up or something that they take
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: out of context, it's just, it doesn't last that long
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: because you give them more content the next day to
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: pick over and it just gets old, right? And so
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: like nothing really sticks for a long time. So you
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: might as well just keep doing that and keep taking
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: the rest.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: You have to all, in this media environment, you have
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: to always be on offense, right?
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're not on offense, you're on defense.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Well, on that note, like how would you be thinking
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: about opportunities to break through and win news cycles in
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: these last few debate-free weeks. Because it's almost like there's
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: two campaigns. There's the campaign going on for those 1.5
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: million voters in the swing states that you're talking about,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: which is going to be all this kind of targeted
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: media opportunities. And most voters aren't going to see them.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: And it's going to try to go to one demographic
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: group or the other. But then there's just like sort
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: of the national news, the political news, how the campaign's going.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: And like, how do you think the Harris campaign is
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: thinking about like winning every news cycle every day from
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: now until election day? Or are they, or do they
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: have to be even?
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know that you think about it in terms
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: of news cycles or days anymore. Like in the old
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: days of the early days of my political campaign experience,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: we used to gather around and watch the evening news
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: at the end of every day to see if we
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: won the day. Like, did you win the day? And
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: that's not the right way to think about it anymore,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: especially in a world where content particularly on TikTok, but
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: also on Instagram and YouTube is delivered to people without
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: specific ties to the calendar. Like you can see a
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: clip from a day ago, three days ago, three years ago, right?
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: It has a longer tail. And so it's not ultimately
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: that you're trying to win each individual day because something
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: you did today may show up in someone's feed four
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: days from now. Like there are people still getting Call
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Her Daddy content. And so I think you have to
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: change your mentality because all of us have the old Politico,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: win the day, win the morning, win the cycle, spin room,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: bullshit stuff. That's just not how the world works anymore.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: So it's about two things. It is about how you
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: shape the overall conversation. Because what you want, like, you
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: want the vibes to be good around your candidacy.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Right. I think that's more what I'm getting at.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: And I just wanted to get to the news cycle
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: thing because I think that's how the press is covering
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: this and that's not the right way to do it.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: is how do you seem like you have momentum towards
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: the end? You want to build a sense of momentum
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: and excitement for your movements. People want to join it.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: And the answer is to have a lot of stories
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: about Democrats panicking.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: And the way that every one of us can help
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: that is you take your anxieties and then you find
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: the nearest reporter from Politico or Axios and you call them.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: And when they say, well, how can I identify you?
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: You say, just say that I'm a, I'm a source
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: close to the Harris campaign.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a democratic strategist in a battleground state, which
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: is a new classic one people have out there. Just unburden...
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: The way to help Kamala Harris is to unburden yourself
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: to the people who write playbook in some way. That's
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: the way to do it.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: So I think the way to think about this is...
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: So you want to show momentum, and you show momentum
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: by being on offense and doing things that get attention, right?
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: And so doing... Doing this little media blitz is one
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: way in which we did that. Everyone was talking about
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: her and the things she was doing. Call her daddy,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Howard Stern, drinking a beer on Stephen Colbert. That's all great.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: My belief is they have some more of those things
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: like that in the can coming. You have to just
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: keep picking some high-profile things. The Cheney event she did
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: that we talked about last podcast, you and I did together,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: is a perfect example. That is not just your typical rally.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: It is something different and unique. When she went to
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: the border, that is something different. You need more of
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: those all the time. If you can do some– like
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: she's going to do an event I assume with Obama
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: at some point. That will be a high-profile moment. Do
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: an event with some of these Republicans who are supporting her,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: who are in some of her ads right now. If
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: you could roll out some endorsements from some of these
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: former Trump cabinet officials who have said they're not going
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: to vote for him, like that's– just continue to build momentum.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Every time you're out there, you just have something new
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: that's like more grist for the mill. Some of those
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: things will go nowhere. And I don't think it's necessarily
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: policy stuff. Like I thought the sandwich generation stuff that
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: she announced on The View, that was great for that audience.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: But a lot of the stuff's going to be more
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: sort of edgy cultural contrasts with Trump sort of stuff
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: that I think will drive the conversation.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think leaning into the contrasts in the
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: final month is going to be most important. And to
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: the extent that the contrast can at least sound new
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: and different, because we've all said everything there is to
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: say about Trump, But I think for her, like sort
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: of driving those new contrasts based on what pops up
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: in the news every day about Trump is probably going
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: to be a way to keep things fresh. Speaking of Trump,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: let's talk about him. He did a few rallies Wednesday
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: where he honed his closing message by spreading conspiracies about
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: hurricanes and calling one of the hosts of The View stupid.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: That's what you do. Trump will also be holding a
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: rally in the critical battleground of Coachella right here in California.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: He's also planning a big rally at Madison Square Garden
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: in New York. And he was in Michigan on Thursday,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: ostensibly to deliver an economic speech at the Detroit Economic Club.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: But of course, there were a few tangents. Let's listen.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: I'm here today to talk about a subject that has
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: always been very dear to my heart, saving the U.S.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: auto industry, the fraud. committed by 60 Minutes and CBS,
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: together with the Democrat Party, working together with them, which
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: will go down as the single biggest scandal in broadcast history.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: An Obama disciple named Peter Baker, he writes for the
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: failing New York Times. He wrote a piece about me.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: He said that I would go around saying that I
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: was honored here years ago as the man of the
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: year or whatever. President Xi was, and I would say is,
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: a very good friend. We broke up a little bit
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: You know, the way friendships break up, a thing called
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: the China virus broke us up. The word grocery, you know,
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: it's sort of simple word, but it sort of means
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: like everything you eat, the stomach is speaking. You want
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: to know the truth? It'll be like Detroit. Our whole
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: country will end up being like Detroit if she's your president.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I just, I want that super cut
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: to get in front of some of those 1.5 million voters.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: I just, this is, but this is why they don't
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: want him. out there in front of these audiences. They're
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: too afraid he's going to do this.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be very curious to look at the
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: local Michigan coverage tomorrow, tonight and tomorrow, to see what
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: it says.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: So far, it's a lot of, oh, Trump came to
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Detroit to give a speech and attack Detroit.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: That part, yes, that's fair.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: So there's some of that. The policy he rolled out was,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: There was an auto policy. He talked about bringing jobs
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: back to America. I think he wants to make auto
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: loans deductible. That's the policy nugget that was in there somewhere.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: I watched the speech while I was also trying to
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: prep for the pod. Saul was listening to the speech too.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: It was like so boring. And it's also like, even
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: at the rally... The Trump rally is like, we've all
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: heard the rallies by now, right? But like every once
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: in a while, it's like kind of funny and he
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: says something crazy and the crowd does what... The crowd
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: is just, it's like a serious policy speech. He's so
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: low energy. He sounds like so tired and he's just
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: rambling and going on and on. It was like hard
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: to even find the policy in the speech or anything
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: about the economy at all. I mean, he just wanted,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: like that thing about the 60 Minutes CBS thing, The
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: greatest scandal, that was on the prompter. That was in
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: the speech. That wasn't just like an ad lib. He
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: decided they were going to put that in the speech.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: For people who don't know on that, by the way,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: the 60 Minutes of Kamala Harris.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: And if you don't know, congratulations.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Congratulations.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Catch yourself on the back, yes.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: The 60 Minutes interview with Kamala Harris, they asked her
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: about Gaza, questioned about Israel, about Bibi Netanyahu. She gave
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: this answer. And the Trump campaign is saying that even
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: though she gave that answer, there's part of the answer.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: that wasn't aired on 60 minutes where it was a
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: little bit more of a word salad. The reason that
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: the Trump campaign knows this is because it was in
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: the very first fucking clip that 60 minutes released from
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: the interview. And they're like, Trump literally said that CBS
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: should have their license revoked. They're the ones who put
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: out the clip. which is why the Trump campaign knows
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: about it. It just didn't make it into the final
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: interview in 60 Minutes because every single interview that 60
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Minutes does is edited for time.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just also wild that Donald Trump, a
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: person who could be president of the United with losing
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: their license for doing something that no one can explain
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: because it's so fucking crazy. I mean, you did an
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: admirable job, but does it make sense?
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense. Also, it doesn't make sense. Rallies
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: at Coachella and Madison Square Garden. What's that all about?
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: What do you think? That makes sense.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: We're talking about it. And I do think in an
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: era where politics are national and local media essentially doesn't
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: exist anymore, like the The walls around a state where
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: everyone in the state consumed Michigan TV and Michigan Papers
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: and Pennsylvania, whatever. That doesn't exist anymore. And so what
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: he's doing is he's doing big things for attention. And
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: there is a very clear parallel to a Madison Square
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: Garden rally that is being raised by a lot of
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: people online, which is the 1939 Nazi rally at Madison
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Square Garden.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, come on.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: People are already doing– we've seen it already today, right?
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: I sent you the link. And so it is a–
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: this is going to be– People are going to be
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: triggered by it. It's going to be a thing. He's
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: going to fuel that outrage. That Madison Square Garden speech
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: is going to get a shitload of coverage. Now, he
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: will probably step on a fucking rake when he does it,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: but it will get attention. Coachella, similar.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: What about Trumpchella? Is that going to be a big.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Trumpchella, that is part... There's a lot of these Trump,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: young voter, manosphere, Gen Z things that are kind of fake,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: and maybe that's kind of fake too, but it's all...
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Should we go to Trumpchella? we should send a correspondent.
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: His name is John Lovett.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: I think Madison Square Garden is just like, he's from
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: New York and he wants to be able to say
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: that he filled Madison Square Garden.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: He's all, this is his dream, right? And this is
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: maybe his last chance to do it. And I think
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: his campaign, there's, there's value. I think there is, there's
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: always this like going into enemy territory to do something,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: you know, Obama going to mega church in 2008 was
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: an example of this. Kamala Harris going to the border,
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: a sort of example of it. It will get attention. Now,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: is that more valuable than a day spent campaigning in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: et cetera? I think that's a fair debate to have.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: It does seem like their strategy in the Trump campaign
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: for this final month is just like the communications messaging
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: strategy is that there is no national strategy really, at
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: least outside of the bubble of people who are already
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Trump fans, with the exception of some of these podcasts
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: in the manosphere. One more Trump story. Wanted to get
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: your thoughts on before we go to break. Politico has
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: some new reporting on Trump's push to win over the
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: bro vote. Their words, not mine. Apparently the.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Thank you for stipulating that.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, we get called pod bros enough. Bro vote.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Apparently the Nelk Boys, hosts of the Full Send podcast,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: are putting serious money behind a young male-focused voter registration
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: drive called Send the Vote. They're going to be advertising
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: on these Manosphere podcasts, the Hawk to a Girl podcast.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you don't know what that is, you've
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: got to listen offline. Do you have a whole Hawk
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: to a episode? Not a whole episode, but Max and
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: I talked about the Hawk to a podcast.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: When you say the Hawk, you mean Talk to a.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Because that's the name.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: I know. I know that's the name.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, you say what you want about it.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: That is a great name.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: I know it's a great name. I think we played
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: the trailer actually on offline. Anyway, they're also going on
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: dating apps. They're going to be hosting a music festival,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: signing people up at tailgates, at college football games. That said,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: the director of Send the Vote muses openly in the
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: piece about whether these young guys are actually going to vote.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: What did you make of the story? And how much
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: does the strategy worry you that it may be successful?
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: The Donald Trump strategy of targeting Gen Z men worries
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: me a ton. We've talked on this podcast a lot.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: The idea that two people identified as online pranksters are
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: going to spin up a super PAC on October 10th
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: to raise a bunch of money to register voters where
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: the registration deadline in some of these states is two
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: and a half weeks away, that I'm less worried about.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: That seems like a bunch of bullshit spun to a
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: reporter in an attempt to separate rich people from their money.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: I just can't tell. I mean, having listened to a
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: bunch of these, unfortunately, these podcasts that Trump has gone on,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: like- I don't know how much good it's doing him
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: because he's like, as you mentioned on the flagrant podcast,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: like some of that is maybe people listen to that
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: and think that like Trump's a good sport for going
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: on the podcast. But a lot of that episode was
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: them laughing at him. Like, you know, Lex Friedman on
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: his podcast seemed a little confused at times about Donald Trump. Like,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: I don't I think once you get away from people
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: who were definitely Trump fans and supporting him. which are
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: some of these podcasts, and you get to podcasts where
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: people aren't definitely Trump supporters, I don't know that he
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: does as well, but who knows? I think you only
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: need to peel off probably a small percentage of young
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: men in these battleground states that if it's tied, it
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: could make all the difference.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: I think the playground podcast was bad for him. I
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: think he looked weak and embarrassing on that. The other ones,
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: and I have unfortunately watched all of them, and... he,
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: it's just, yeah, if you consume a whole bunch of
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Trump content and a whole bunch of political content where
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: you have Kamala Harris and you have Trump and you're
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: reading stories about it, that doesn't look right. If you
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: have no political content at all, and then all of
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: a sudden Donald Trump shows up on your feed and
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: he's giving you a bunch of bullshit, which you may
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: likely believe because you have no countervailing information. No one
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: has given you the other side of the case. That
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: could be impactful. It doesn't have to persuade everyone. As
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: you point out, it just has to persuade a few
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: people who would not otherwise vote to vote for him.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: And so, yeah, it is, look, This is something to
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: worry about. The Harris campaign is pushing back on it.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: It's why she went on the All the Smoke podcast.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: I think there's going to be more things targeted at
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: that group.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: I think Stern was a little bit about that.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Stern was a little bit about that as well.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Tim Walz's rally in Arizona was on Twitch stream with
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: a popular streamer. Did you see that?
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes. Keep doing all that stuff. Pushing back on that.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Over the long term, beyond this election- as I think
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: we said before, Kamala Harris can certainly win, even if
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Trump makes some gains with this voter group. There's real
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: consequences for democracy if we allow half of our youngest,
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: fastest growing generation to become MAGA. And so we're going
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: to have to figure out how to communicate with these voters.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. Okay, when we get back from break,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: you're going to hear Lovett's conversation with Senator Jackie Rosen,
• 36:36
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• 36:39
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  Speaker 1: When we come back, U.S. Senator Jackie Rosen.
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: Joining us today is the Democratic senator from the Silver
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: State who's in a fight against a Trump-backed Republican, Sam Brown.
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: If we don't hold this seat, there is no path
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: to keeping the Senate. The stakes couldn't be higher. So
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: no pressure, Senator Rosen. Welcome to the pod.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. We're just 20-some days out,
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: and we have to bring it home and deliver Nevada
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: to the United States Senate.
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: So Nevada has a ballot measure to enshrine abortion access.
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: Your opponent, has been refusing to say where he stood
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: on the ballot measure until someone caught him on tape
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: saying that he opposes it. Poor guy seems like he's
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: in a tough political spot. Any sympathy there?
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: Well, you know what? He's put himself in this tough
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: political spot. And I want to remind everybody who's listening
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: that this is Sam Brown's third attempt to run for
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: federal office. He ran for office in Texas, supported extreme
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: restrictions on abortion. No no abortion even in the cases
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: of rape or incest. He says himself, we have his
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: own words, these positions not negotiable for him, not negotiable.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: He ran an anti-choice organization, and he's only softened and
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: covered up his position in order to win. Like I said,
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: this is his third try at federal office. Nevada is
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: an overwhelmingly pro-choice state. This is fundamentally about freedom. And
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: a doctor's office or a hospital room, emergency room is
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: too small, to have a woman, her doctor, and some
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: politician sitting in there. And so Sam Brown, he says
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: he will not vote to enshrine women's rights Roe v.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: Wade into the Nevada Constitution. And if you don't believe
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: that he will support a nationwide abortion ban, then I
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: can tell you, anybody who's listening, I've got some great
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: oceanfront property right here on the Las Vegas Strip to
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: sell you because that is who he has been for
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: decades on the record.
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: So let's talk about that because Nevada is not the
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: only state where we have a make or break Senate race.
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: We have a basic tie in the polls in the
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: presidential level, and there is an abortion ballot measure. The
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: ballot measures protecting abortion tend to pull ahead of the
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: human beings who will protect abortion. On the one hand,
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: these measures bring out voters who care about protecting reproductive freedom.
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: But on the other hand, how do you make sure
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: that Nevadans understand that even if they are voting to
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: enshrine abortion access for Nevada, that the stakes for abortion
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: access still matter a great deal in the Senate race
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: and in the presidential race.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm really glad you asked that because honestly, this
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: is why we're trying to get the word out that women,
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: if we pass a nationwide abortion ban, women won't be safe.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: Right now, a third of American women don't have access
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: to reproductive care. And you see in the news reports,
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: it is tragic and unnecessary that women are dying, not
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: getting routine procedures. When they show up in emergency room,
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: they're sent home or the doctors who take an oath
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: to save lives. They can't even do their job because
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: they're afraid they're going to go to jail and they
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: watch a woman die. And so we need to let
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: everybody know this. If anyone wants to know more, they
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: can go to Rosen for Nevada.com to find out what's
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: going on here, support our campaign to join the effort.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: But in Nevada, we, are a state that appreciates our freedom.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: And if they go after a woman's freedom, then what's next?
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: What's next? What else will they restrict? So it's our
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: job to be sure we get the word out. Anybody
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: that wants to join us, like I said, can go
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: to RosenForNevada.com.
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: It matters.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: I'm just going to say this last thing. You may
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: not be a woman, but you have women in your lives.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: If you love the women in your lives, your mothers,
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: your sisters, your friends, your aunts, whomever they are, Their
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: lives could be on the line because of these restrictions.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: And so do it for the women that you love.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: Protect their lives.
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: So Donald Trump made a big show of coming out
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: in favor of not taxing tips, very clearly just sort
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: of an effort to win over people that live on tips.
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: The policy that he put forward not fully fleshed out.
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: There was a Republican version that actually seemed more geared
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: towards helping the ultra wealthy, Kamala Harris. came out in
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: favor of not taxing tips with a policy that was,
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: I think, much more well-drawn. It wasn't just a political play,
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: an actual proposal. Are you hearing about that policy? A
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: big part of it, it seems to be about reaching
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: the many people that live off of tips in Nevada.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: Well, I can tell you, I put myself through college
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: as a waitress, and so I've saved those tips in envelopes,
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: and I know how important it is to make those tips.
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: And I'm also chair of the Subcommittee for Tourism. And
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: 25% of Nevada's workforce is in hospitality. It's a heavily
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: tipped industry. So being sure that we make sure that
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: people can declare their tips and maybe not get taxes
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: on them, it brings more money home in their pocket.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: What we have to do, though, is put the guardrail
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: so that those big CEOs don't decide that their entire
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: salary or bonus is a tip, and then they don't
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: pay taxes. So you have to be sure you don't
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: have loopholes so the people who are your bartender or waitress,
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: the people who actually get tips, can get the benefit here.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: But there's even a bigger issue, which is about sub-minimum wage. Now,
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: in Nevada, we're really lucky. We have a super strong
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: culinary union, Culinary 226. I was a member of that
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: when it helped put me through college. And so every
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: property on the Las Vegas Strip, I think they're proud
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: to say now is union. And so they fight for
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: those benefits of pension, health care, safe workplaces. But a
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: lot of people don't make a good enough minimum wage.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: And I think for servers, there are some cases where
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: they say the average is $ 3 or $ 4 an hour.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: And so tips are variable. You don't know what you're
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: going to make. And so the issue is we have
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: to raise up that minimum wage for everyone. We have
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: to put guardrails on so people actually do get the tips,
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: see the benefit. Like I said, not some corporate CEO
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: who says, oh, my billion-dollar bonus is that's just a
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: tip from my company. We do not want that happening.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: And so we have to close any loopholes. So that's
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: what we're trying to work on.
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, it seems like one of the reasons
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: I think this at least made some economists uncomfortable is
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: it's more progressive taxation. Tax people who are working really
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: hard and not making that much, of course, tax them less.
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: But if more of somebody's income is coming from tips,
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: then they're going to be taxed less than somebody who's
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: also working really hard and has a salary job and
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: doesn't get the same benefit.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Do you worry about that?
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: Well, I think that we have to consider how we
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: write the legislation and what we do because tips, again,
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: are a variable. For us in Nevada, especially, not everybody
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: and not every tip worker is making hundreds of dollars
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: a shift. And so you have to be sure that
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: you're protecting people maybe within a certain income level. People
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: have to declare their tips why. So let's say that
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: you work in a state where you're getting sub-minimum wage.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: Let's say you're getting We'll even say $ 5 an hour
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: on the average. Well, you want to buy a house
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: or a car, you have to declare your tips in
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: order to show that you have income. Now, most places
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: aren't like the fabulous restaurants here in Las Vegas. You
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: go to average your coffee shop or your diner, wherever
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: that is. People are just getting by. So we have
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: to be sure, like I said, that we have the
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: right guardrails in because tips can be variable. They're optional.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: If you make a regular wage, that's what you get paid.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: It's not optional. And so we have to find those ways,
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: set those guardrails so it can't be abused by corporate
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: CEOs who we know love to take advantage of that.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: Everyone should be paying their fair share. And we have
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: to find a way to make it work for everyone.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: Expand the middle class tax cuts. That's another thing that
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: we can do. So corporations, Trump's billionaire friends, they need
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: to pay their fair share. And the waitress at your
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: favorite breakfast place, wherever that is, or waiter, let's not
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: balance the budget on the backs of them.
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: So, uh, speaking of tips, as you mentioned, you were
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: a cocktail waitress at Caesars when you were a student. Uh,
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: what lessons did you learn from, uh, serving, uh, drunk,
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: sweaty dudes that have prepared you for this campaign?
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: I will just tell you. So I was, uh, when
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: I turned 21 and, uh, it wasn't yet, people say, Oh,
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: how did you go from here to there? There was
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: kind of a little bit in between, but I will
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: tell you, um, A funny story and then a serious story.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: One thing I learned for sure, first of all, it's
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: a really hard job. You're never allowed at Caesars Palace,
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: you are never allowed to set down your tray if
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: you're working. Never allowed for the eight hours you're there.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: Never allowed to bend over. You always have to bend
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: up and down when you serve the drinks. And the
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: other thing I learned being a waitress is never make
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: a trip with empty hands, which still serves me today
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: because every time I go up and down the stairs
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: in my house, I have a pile. Always make sure
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: that every trip counts because you're trying to serve people
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: as quickly as you can. Um, of course, like I said,
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: I was a young 21, 22 year old, uh, a
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: young girl who couldn't have imagined where her life would lead. And, uh,
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: I was wearing my mother's gold lame shoes and they
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: put you in this crazy wig. And, uh, there were
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: no pictures in casinos at the time, but I did
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: get a lot of comments. I think I did look
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: a little bit like a fish out of water there, but, uh, uh,
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: people were, were generally nice. You tried to avoid the
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: really drunk ones the best you could. and just continue
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: to do your jobs. If they got out of hand,
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: the casino security helped them. But I wish I still
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: had my mother's gold LeMay shoes. She's no longer with us,
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: but I do wish I still had those.
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: I mean, look, not to put too fine a point
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: on it, but I got to imagine there are lessons
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: you learn about the importance of bodily autonomy when you're
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: walking around Caesar's Palace.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: Oh, yes. You know, I'll tell you that, especially when
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: you're young, at that time, and still now, I will
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: say some of those, the outfits were up. fairly skimpy.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: They were very tight, meant to accentuate certain parts of
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: your body. And a lot of comments, a lot of
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: comments made on that. I think that the security there
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: at Caesars was very strict about being sure that uh, uh,
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: people weren't, uh, touched really so much, but a lot
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: of comments on, uh, you know, you, you, everything was, uh, they, they,
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: they were pretty skimpy. I, like I said, I was
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: very young. So, uh, do you.
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: Think that there's another person in America that, that has
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: gone on from being a casino cocktail waitress to synagogue president?
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: Oh, gosh. You know what? You know, that's a good question.
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: But what I can tell you, there's a lot of
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: people here who worked in the hospitality industry to put
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: themselves through school. When they first were young, they worked
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: as busboys. You'll hear people. Catherine Cortez Masto's dad was
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: a bellman at the Dunes Hotel, I believe. And then
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: he rose up and did a lot of things. I
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: think he was head of our tourism board, county commissioner,
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: and that for a while. He's no longer with us.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: And so this is kind of the story of Las
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: Vegas because that opportunity to make that money and then
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: be able to build yourself up. And I will tell
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: you this, and sadly, women still don't get equal pay
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: for equal work. I started my career as a computer programmer.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: I wrote computer software. And when I got my first job,
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: I still didn't make enough money to pay my bills.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: And I worked as banquet waitress on the weekends. Let
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: me tell you, those trays and they're piled up with
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: all those, you know, the silver tops and you're like this.
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: And you better not spill those things. You go up
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: and down a particular way. I spent a year working
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: banquets till I finally got my first raise. Women still
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: don't make equal pay for equal work. Only 25% of
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: women are in tech. It's for another conversation, but I
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: work a lot on that too. I went from actual
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: waitress to tech to the synagogue president and Senate. So
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: how does it all match? Artificial intelligence, working hard, taxes
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: and tips. We bring our whole story to the United
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: States Senate to our jobs, right?
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, maybe that's part of why you are, you know, look,
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: right now you're polling ahead of Vice President Harris in Nevada.
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: It's very tight. Your race is tight. The presidential is tight.
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: But still, you know, you're pulling a little bit ahead.
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: Are you seeing Rosen Trump voters or how do you
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: explain the gap and how does the Harris-Walls campaign close it?
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, I can tell you that my race,
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: it's about me versus Sam Browne. And since I came
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: to politics, I got elected in 2016. I lived in Nevada,
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: my family nearly 50 years. I worked as a waitress here.
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: I started my career here, got married, raised my family.
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: My parents are buried in the Boulder City Cemetery. And
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: so I'm a regular person who led a full life
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: here in Nevada. So I understand sometimes the challenges, opportunities,
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: and how important our communities are. And I feel that
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: I'm very accessible. And because I wrote software, we listen,
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: we try to give people what they actually need, not
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: what we think they need. So we've been able to
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: bring millions of dollars in resources, like for boots on
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: the ground, whether it's education, law enforcement, firefighters. And so
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: for me, it's really a choice. Do people want one
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: of the most bipartisan, effective, independent senators? Or do they
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: want a MAGA extremist who's running? We're going to remind everyone,
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: because of Trump, for Trump, we'll carry Trump's torch And
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: Dustin Carey's had 34 felony convictions. And he's running in
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: his own ad, say, to make Trump's tax cuts 100% permanent.
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: That's not going to help. And Nevada had, I might
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: be pulling ahead now, but we delivered the Senate majority
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: by the slimmest of margins, 1%, 7,928 votes. We expected
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: to tighten up. Vice President Harris is here again. This week,
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: talking to Latino voters, about 30% of our electorate, we
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: have to be sure that we turn out the vote
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: for pragmatic problem solving for our futures and to invest
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: in America and expand opportunities. And that's what I'm going
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: to continue to work on. Like I said, people can
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: go to Rosen for Nevada. You can knock on doors.
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: You can make a text. You can make a phone call.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: You can do whatever. Get involved. Look, that's why you're here.
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: People need to get involved. It'll help you feel good
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: that you're you have impact on what happens.
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: I don't want to get it. John, Tommy, and Dan
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: and I are going to come to Nevada. We were
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: there before.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: We'll be back. We're going to come knock on doors.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: On your way to the airport.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's right.
• 53:38
  Speaker 5: We saw you at the, we saw you at a,
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: I was, Oh, we picked a good place. If the
• 53:41
  Speaker 5: Senator's here, it's supposed to be a good option.
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: We won't, we won't plug the name because I don't
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: get in trouble there, but we saw you on the
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: way to the airport after that.
• 53:49
  Speaker 5: Uh, so, uh, when Kamala Harris was on Howard Stern
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: this week, they talked about seeing the U2, uh, concert
• 53:54
  Speaker 5: at the sphere in Vegas. Her advice was everyone should
• 53:57
  Speaker 5: go with a clear head. Um, I have to tell you,
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: I don't know that I could enter that sphere with
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: a clear head. I think I need to be altered
• 54:04
  Speaker 5: in some way.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: Uh, any, any comment?
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: The sphere is mind blowing and the, at the outside,
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: I tell people follow the sphere. It's got a personality
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: of its own, what they project on the outside and
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: It's just amazing. And when you go inside the U2 concert,
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: I sadly was not there because we were busy trying
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: to keep the federal government open. They opened one September 29th.
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: And we remember we had those tiered shutdowns. Republicans thought
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: it was a really good idea to, you know, wonder
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: if our government is going to stay afloat. So I
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: wasn't able to go to that, but I've been there since.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: And I've been there on tours before it opened. The
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: technology is, The sound, the imagery, it is like nothing
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: you have ever seen. And I will just tell you,
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: come here, see it. Your mind will be blown.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: Unbelievable. I simply won't do it sober. Before we go.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: And that's a choice. And that's a choice, sir. We
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: all make our choices.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: Everyone should make their own choices. We believe in freedom.
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: You should be to vote for me if you're a
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: Nevada citizen.
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: So before we let you go, you're a musical theater fan.
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: I want to do a lightning round, whether you love it,
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: you hate it, or you've never seen it.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: Dear Evan Hansen.
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God. Love it. Love all the songs. Absolutely.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: I'm a huge fan of Ben Platt and the folks,
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: Pasek and Paul, who wrote it. And I will tell
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: you that Alex Lacamoire, the musical director, who also was
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: a musical director for Hamilton, knocked it out of the park.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: Merrily we roll along.
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: You know what? I wanted to see it, but it's
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: been only the last few years. I've been very busy,
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: but I have not been able to. But it's on
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: my list after the election.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: Here's my controversial take. It shouldn't go backwards. It should
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: go forwards. I don't want to see the end first.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: Now I know what's going to happen.
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that's true. That's true.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: Guys and dolls.
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: Guys and dolls. Oh, my God. I'm so happy you
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: asked this because. the reason I love musicals, my parents
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: love musicals. Guys and dolls is my father's favorite musical.
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: A person could develop a cold. I'm not going to sing.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: But you know, don't rock the sit down. You're rocking the,
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: but I can sing every song. My parents, this was
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: my dad's favorite musical Camelot guys and dolls, all of
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: those things in the 1960s, they played on the record player.
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: We had one of those big high fives at the
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: TV and the record player. They had those big units
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: back then. And, um, That one I love because of
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: my dad.
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: Have you ever seen Wicked?
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: Have I ever seen Wicked? Oh, this is a great story.
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: I'm glad you asked. So I was in New York
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: around Thanksgiving when Wicked had just been open a few weeks.
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: My husband was there to take some medical education. He's
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: a radiologist. And so I asked the concierge at our hotel,
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: what should we go see? And I ended up seeing
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: Gypsy with Bernadette Peters, which was fantastic. And they said,
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: there's this new musical, Wicked. It's only been open a
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: couple of weeks. He said, you've got to go see it.
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: It's going to play forever. It's about Wizard of Oz.
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: I'm like, well, okay. But they're raving, raving, raving. We
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: went to see it. Blew your socks off. No cast recording,
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: no nothing. Idina Menzel. Um, oh my gosh.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: Now I'm Kristen Chenoweth, Kristen.
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: Chenoweth, uh, Joel Gray, the original cast three weeks in, uh,
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: it was amazing. And, uh, I think the movie's coming
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: out too. So we're going to get to see that.
• 57:29
  Speaker 5: Uh, I have a funny story. So when I first
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: saw wicked, I saw, I was working in the white
• 57:34
  Speaker 5: house and if the president has a box of the
• 57:36
  Speaker 5: Kennedy center and you can, and you can request, you
• 57:40
  Speaker 5: can request seats that are not being used. And there
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: was two tickets available for wicked. So I, I invited
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: my mother. My mother came and she and I went in.
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: Talk about choices. Perfect choice.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: Perfect choice.
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: So she and I, I don't know anything about wicked.
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: I actually, I didn't know.
• 57:54
  Speaker 5: I just, I was like, I knew a little, but
• 57:56
  Speaker 5: I didn't know really. I sit down with my mother, uh,
• 58:00
  Speaker 5: I don't know about Defying Gravity. Defying Gravity comes out.
• 58:03
  Speaker 5: I'm obviously gay. I'm like on my feet, basically crying, applauding,
• 58:09
  Speaker 5: having the best time.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: I look to my right.
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: Harry Reid's asleep.
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure the theater was it. You know, we
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: love Harry. He was very quiet. He doesn't usually go
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: out much. So that's a pretty good one. But what
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: I want to say is this is a great place
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: to say, I'm glad you brought up Defying Gravity because
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: this is what we're going to do this election. We're
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: going to defy gravity. We're going to choose a positive future.
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: Kamala is going to win with, with Tim walls. We're
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: going to deliver the Senate. We're going to deliver the
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: house and we're going to defy gravity of those who
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: want to tear this country down. And so when you
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: were up there cheering for defying gravity, I hope that's
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: how we're going to feel on the night of this
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: November 5th of the election and beyond, because that's what
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: we need to do. It's a perfect, um, That song
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: is really a perfect way for us to be inspired,
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 59:00
  Speaker 5: And that's a great place to leave it. Senator Jackie Rosen,
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: thank you so much. Everybody, if you're if you're far
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: from Nevada, make calls, donate, text. If you can get
• 59:09
  Speaker 5: to Nevada, if you're in California, if you're in Nevada,
• 59:11
  Speaker 5: if you're, if you're, if you can get there and
• 59:13
  Speaker 5: do some knocking on doors, please do. We got to
• 59:14
  Speaker 5: win the seat.
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Except for the Senator,
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: we want to return to Washington to do good work.
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: I love the theater stuff. I'll come out and I
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: will never sing or act, do any of that, but
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: I will have a lot of fun with you.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: On that one. Fantastic.
• 59:29
  Speaker 5: Senator Jackie Rosen, Shana Tova.
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: Shana Tova. Thank you. Happy New Year to everybody out there.
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: Jewish New Year.
• 59:41
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• 59:43
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• 59:46
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• 59:49
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• 59:51
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