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Book Club: Persuasion · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm not going to
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Speaker 1: Stephan never told you production of iHeart Radio. And we
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Speaker 1: are continuing with our classics theme month of September. I
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Speaker 1: feel like that goes with fall and Pumpkin Spies if
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Speaker 1: you like it as curiosity. Have you read other Jane
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Speaker 1: Austen books. I don't know iffectually. This is my first
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Speaker 1: Jane Austen book. Jade Austen newbie, I just popped your bubble.
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Speaker 1: That was really gross and sorry. So yeah, we're talking
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Speaker 1: about Jane Austen. And because this is probably my favorite
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Speaker 1: book of Jane Austen. As much as I love Pride
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Speaker 1: and Prejudice and I'll love all the others, Persuasion is
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Speaker 1: I think my favorite of her books. It's probably one
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Speaker 1: of the smaller ones of her books. I can't quite remember.
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Speaker 1: It's not that long over read, but I love everything
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Speaker 1: about it. There are a lot to be said. We
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Speaker 1: know this is very old fashioned. We're gonna talk about
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Speaker 1: the themes as if we were from the early eighteen hundred's,
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Speaker 1: late seventeen hundreds. Maybe I don't know, um, but yes,
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Speaker 1: it was something. Jane Austen is one of my favorites.
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Speaker 1: I love her wit, I love her sarcasm. Everything. Still,
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Speaker 1: it seems so nice and gentle, and then you read
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Speaker 1: back and you're like, oh, she just insulted that person.
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Speaker 1: That's amazing. That's the level that is my personality in itself. Um,
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Speaker 1: and there's all two people who deserve it. That's even better.
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Speaker 1: Like her characters stand up to people, stand up to society.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about all of this now again. Yes,
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Speaker 1: we've talked a little about Jane Austen before and the works. Um,
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Speaker 1: I still really want to do this Jane Austen tour
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Speaker 1: that we had talked about previously with our guest who
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Speaker 1: came on and that's what she does. And I'm like,
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Speaker 1: oh my god, why am I not there? Like towards Bath.
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Speaker 1: I need to see this, But I guess we can't
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Speaker 1: do that. We'll just take a to her with the book, right,
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Speaker 1: We'll just go with our imagination of what this may be.
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Speaker 1: Anyone who has a hook up you know here, I
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Speaker 1: need to be there though, That's what that's that's the
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Speaker 1: theme here. But yeah, So we wanted to do a
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Speaker 1: quick run through of Jane Austen's biographical history. It seems,
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Speaker 1: according to many of the different articles about her life,
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Speaker 1: that she, like others, used her life experiences in her novels.
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Speaker 1: Her stories are often told in wit and sarcasm, and
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Speaker 1: was a statement of the unfair rules and standards placed
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Speaker 1: on women. Um And though her novels typically in with
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Speaker 1: happy endings, with our heroines getting married to well situated
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Speaker 1: men for love, and her own life was not so
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Speaker 1: perfectly put together, Jane Austin never married. She did get
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Speaker 1: engaged once, but ended it because she was not in
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Speaker 1: love with the man. And then there was another man,
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Speaker 1: many who called him her first love, who was ushered
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Speaker 1: away from her essentially like take it away, because they're like,
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Speaker 1: this is not going to work out. She has no money.
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Speaker 1: You need money. So he married for wealth and they
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Speaker 1: never see each other again. Uh. If you've ever seen
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Speaker 1: the movie Being Jane Austen, they actually do a little
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Speaker 1: bit of the back and forth. It's actually a really
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Speaker 1: good movie. I liked it. But yeah, so it's really
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Speaker 1: sad overall. Yeah, jeez um, It's not like she wasn't
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Speaker 1: prolific and successful, but it took a little while. They
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Speaker 1: didn't know her name ntil after she died. Yeah, yeah, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about that, right, yes, Okay. So though
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Speaker 1: Jane's work was published in her lifetime, her work was
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Speaker 1: not as appreciated then as it is now. She was
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Speaker 1: successful after her brother, taking on the title of her
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Speaker 1: literary agent, sent her novel Sense and Sensibility to be
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Speaker 1: published in eighteen thirteen, and later she would go on
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Speaker 1: to publish Pride and Prejudice, which was also a success.
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Speaker 1: And yet all the while her names were not attached
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Speaker 1: to the publishing of these stories, but instead it was
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Speaker 1: authored as a lady. It wasn't an so after her
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Speaker 1: death that she was recognized for her work. Her brother
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Speaker 1: Henry and sister Cassandra pushed for her last two novels,
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Speaker 1: Northinger Abbey and Persuasion, to be published after her death.
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Speaker 1: I do think this is interesting because we have talked
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Speaker 1: about this in the writing of romance novels and the
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Speaker 1: writing of horror and science fiction with women in these
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Speaker 1: early days, about publishing not with their name but still
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Speaker 1: getting these followings. And one of my very fun, favorite
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Speaker 1: fun facts about Jane Austen is uh she had the
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Speaker 1: first one of the first fan fiction groups called the Austinites. Yes, well,
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Speaker 1: they were apparently was the j Knites as well, I
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Speaker 1: believe was the name for some of our fans um
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Speaker 1: and it was. She actually did uh have a following
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Speaker 1: during her times of writing. People loved her book uh
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Speaker 1: initially though her father before he died, tried to get
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Speaker 1: one of her books published and he couldn't do it.
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Speaker 1: It's not Gnomes supposedly that she whether or not she
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Speaker 1: knew that her father tried to do this for her
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Speaker 1: because he loved her book. There was another publisher who
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Speaker 1: held onto a book I believe called Susan and since
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Speaker 1: then he would not publish it. He just left it
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Speaker 1: on his desk. She sent him a letter like you
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Speaker 1: needed to give it back or published this or something,
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Speaker 1: and she like initialed it as M A D because
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Speaker 1: she was very angry and like the whole thing went
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Speaker 1: back and forth that he would publish it, but she
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Speaker 1: would have to pay him ten pounds. They did not
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Speaker 1: have it because they were not well off. After the
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Speaker 1: father died, they moved around everywhere trying to find a place.
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Speaker 1: Finally settled into her brother's cottage near her land and
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Speaker 1: was able to do that. And apparently her writing, most
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Speaker 1: like everybody else, went with her moods, so she wasn't
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Speaker 1: in a good place, she couldn't write, and when she
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Speaker 1: got into a good place, she wrote and it was beautiful.
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Speaker 1: So it was pretty interesting. Of course, we're not talking
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Speaker 1: too much more about the characters of the book. Many
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Speaker 1: people do reflect. They do look at her family and
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Speaker 1: their silliness and their hypochondria, like all of these things
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Speaker 1: that we see in each one of her books. So
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Speaker 1: you will see a character that is silly, as she
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Speaker 1: would say, and ridiculous and not so smart, or you
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Speaker 1: would see what that was always sick and needy and
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Speaker 1: someone needed to take care of her. And a lot
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Speaker 1: of this were apparently paste on her mom what I gather,
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Speaker 1: but we don't know this to the point that apparently
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Speaker 1: when the mom read Mansfield Park, she really felt that
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Speaker 1: the mother character was cruelly treated, and then that the character,
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Speaker 1: the heroine was just ridiculously and insipid. So what she said,
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Speaker 1: so a lot of those things. But they did love
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Speaker 1: her writing enough to give her time to do it
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Speaker 1: and realize that she wasn't successful at it and was
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Speaker 1: able to get some money from it. Now when they
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Speaker 1: weren't successful, they had to pay it back, which was
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Speaker 1: the whole different conversation in itself. So there's a lot
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Speaker 1: of things that went on. She has some unfinished novels
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Speaker 1: that people have tried to complete, including the author I
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Speaker 1: believe of Britain. Uh. They she tried to complete it,
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Speaker 1: but have yet to be seen as successes. So I've
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Speaker 1: not seen anything that's come off. It's like this is
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Speaker 1: it um. Austin died at the young age of forty
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Speaker 1: one before being recognized against for her accomplishments, and a
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Speaker 1: lot of who she was or what we could have
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Speaker 1: learned is lost to us because letters were burned and
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Speaker 1: her reputation was glossed over by her family. Literally, Henry
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Speaker 1: was trying to make her look like the most unpeachable,
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Speaker 1: amazing woman in the world. Pictures of her apparently were
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Speaker 1: altered so that she would be the perfect beauty. All
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Speaker 1: of these things in order to sell the books or
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Speaker 1: sell her reputation with the books. Um. But of course
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Speaker 1: we do know that she was actually really upbeat individual
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Speaker 1: who had a great personality um. And she would advise
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Speaker 1: others to not fall to the outdated standards of marriage
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Speaker 1: by seeking love and wit um, which barely she told
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Speaker 1: us to a niece she did not seem to regret
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Speaker 1: saying no to the dude who had a lot of money.
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Speaker 1: She would have been wealthy and they would have been
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Speaker 1: taken care of. But yet you know just what we
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Speaker 1: see her works today, except with happier endings, obviously obviously.
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Speaker 1: Um So, now that you know a little bit about
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Speaker 1: Jane Austen, let's dig into persuasions. Are you ready? You're ready?
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Speaker 1: H So this was written an originally titled The Elliotts,
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Speaker 1: and it was later edited and renamed as a Persuasion.
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Speaker 1: The novel, as we mentioned before, was one of Austin's last,
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Speaker 1: and many argues one of her more sophisticated works, like
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Speaker 1: she finally figured out her style. She had these mature
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Speaker 1: words again, opinions of others um and though many argue
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Speaker 1: that her unfinished works could have been just as iconic,
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Speaker 1: if not more. In a statement in the commentary on
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Speaker 1: Society at the time, apparently she was writing a book
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Speaker 1: about snake oil dealers, essentially about people trying to bring
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Speaker 1: people in based on this water healing that was happening
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Speaker 1: at the time. So could have been an amazing book.
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Speaker 1: And I think will really really wish that they had
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Speaker 1: been finished of course not her fault, and that's why
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Speaker 1: people are trying to finish it. Ah. That makes me sad,
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Speaker 1: um all right. But in this book we are introduced
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Speaker 1: to the Elliot's, a family who has come upon some
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Speaker 1: hard times, partially due to the main character's father, Sir
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Speaker 1: Wallace Elliott, who is a vain and stubborn man that
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Speaker 1: clingston titles and status more than anything else. Um. But
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Speaker 1: before we get there, we are quickly informed that Anne,
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Speaker 1: a sweet, pleasing young woman who is the main character
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Speaker 1: I would say, had fallen in love at a young
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Speaker 1: age with a man named Frederick Wentworth who would soon
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Speaker 1: set sail as a naval man. Let's talk about the
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Speaker 1: navy in this one, um. But this match was opposed
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Speaker 1: by her family as Frederick had no money or status
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Speaker 1: at the time, and again that was really important back then,
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Speaker 1: but especially to her father, um. And Anne was persuaded
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Speaker 1: uh by her closest friend invintor Lady Russell and her
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Speaker 1: family to turn down the proposal, which would haunt her
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Speaker 1: for years to come. Yeah. Years later, we see Ann
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Speaker 1: alone and having to take care of her remaining family
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Speaker 1: after the death of our sweet mother. With the dead
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Speaker 1: and financial issues plaguing the family. Her father is persuaded
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Speaker 1: to let the house or rent it out kellynch Hall
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Speaker 1: while he and his seemingly favorite child Elizabeth, decided to
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Speaker 1: move to Bath because you know, it's cheaper, and of
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Speaker 1: course it would be they would be of upstanding citizenship
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Speaker 1: and so higher class in a small town like Bath.
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Speaker 1: And though she doesn't want to and also prepares to
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Speaker 1: go to Bath with the family, until she's asked to
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Speaker 1: remain near her home with her youngest sister, Mary, a
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Speaker 1: hypochondriac married to Charles Musgraves UH and their children for
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Speaker 1: a little while, and we find out later that Charles
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Speaker 1: Musgrove's originally asked Anne to marry him. That doesn't happen
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Speaker 1: and she marries Mary instead. So year we meet Charles
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Speaker 1: and his family, his father and mother and two sisters,
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Speaker 1: Henriette and Louise, who are very fond of Anne and
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Speaker 1: oftentimes wishes Anne had married Charles yes um and becomes
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Speaker 1: the sounding board between all of them, of the many
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Speaker 1: complaints and Elma's and all of the such so unfortunately
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Speaker 1: she has to be the nice one that is, uh,
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Speaker 1: the middle ground for people to come to and try
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Speaker 1: to be rational. Soon after we meet the Crofts, who
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Speaker 1: have at least Killage Hall, Admiral Croft and his wife Sophia.
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Speaker 1: Sophia happens to be oh the sister of Frederick Wentworth.
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Speaker 1: Oh no, which opens up the novel to the upcoming
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Speaker 1: hijinks that we're about to talk about. M all right,
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Speaker 1: So soon enters Wentworth, who is now Captain Wentworth, rich
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Speaker 1: and accomplished and apparently still very handsome. Still very handsome
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Speaker 1: you gotta remember that, yes, and is also obviously still
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Speaker 1: hurt at being rejected by Anne and even comments on
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Speaker 1: how Anne has quote been so altered since he last
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Speaker 1: saw her and now being and is seen as sort
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Speaker 1: of a spinster, oh no, the worst twenty seven, Oh no.
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Speaker 1: And he seems to be interested in both of the
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Speaker 1: young Musgrove ladies, and they are very interested in him too,
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Speaker 1: even at the expense of Charles Hayter, who was trying
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Speaker 1: to court Henrietta at the time. And as she and
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Speaker 1: the Musgroves and Crops all go on a lovely trip
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Speaker 1: to Lime Regis, we see Wentworth seemingly pursue these young
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Speaker 1: women even more. Here we meet Captain's Horriville and Benwick,
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Speaker 1: who are friends of Captain Wentworth. Benwick was at this
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Speaker 1: point morning the death of his fiance and seemed to
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Speaker 1: be getting close to Anne Um as they had a
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Speaker 1: common love of writing and poetry. But soon, of course,
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Speaker 1: more drama occurs, at which time Louisa falls while jumping
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Speaker 1: from a sea wall, causing her to get a concussion
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Speaker 1: and causing her to She needs to be under constant surveillance,
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Speaker 1: which happens to be Yes the care under the watchful
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Speaker 1: eye of Captain Wentworth and the Harvel's family who lived there.
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Speaker 1: So she has this injury and he's like, well, I've
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Speaker 1: got to look out for her and make sure she covers.
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Speaker 1: He feels very guilty because obviously he didn't stop her.
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Speaker 1: And ann soon returns to be with her father and
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Speaker 1: sister in Bath after that incident, and there she meets
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Speaker 1: with William Elliott, who is she had actually had contact
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Speaker 1: with at the Lime. So we see this moment and
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Speaker 1: apparently at that at the beach she looked at really beautiful.
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Speaker 1: Of course I guess that affected her. Now she's more
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Speaker 1: beautiful than ever. I do think it's quite funny, because
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Speaker 1: we'll talk about this in a b The fact that
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Speaker 1: she keep commenting at all how some people get more
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Speaker 1: attractive when as they get older, but it's rare, like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I like that, this is what's happening to dear Anne.
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Speaker 1: Um and yes. So she meets with William Elliott, a
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Speaker 1: cousin and the heir to the fortune of their family,
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Speaker 1: who once was supposed to marry Elizabeth. I think it
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Speaker 1: was intended that way, but was but rejected both her
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Speaker 1: hand the family to marry another rich woman, which did
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Speaker 1: not go over well with Sir Elliott obviously because that
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Speaker 1: was completely sliding of his favorite daughter. All of those things. Um,
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Speaker 1: and that wife dies and so now he is a
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Speaker 1: rich widower coming background. But he soon changed their minds
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Speaker 1: with his charm and attention, and even Lady Russell, who
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Speaker 1: was hopeful that he would marry Anne, saw that he
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Speaker 1: was in good standing and was approving of him. Um.
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Speaker 1: But however, Anne was suspicious of him. It was too much.
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Speaker 1: But while in Bath and was able to reconnect with
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Speaker 1: her friend Mrs Smith, who was a widow and was
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Speaker 1: ill at the time and unfortunately very poor because things
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Speaker 1: had gone wrong with her husband's fortune. There she and
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Speaker 1: Mrs Smith are able to reconnect and talk about the
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Speaker 1: gossip around back yes and uh. Soon all the Musgroves
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Speaker 1: and cross decided to come to Bath as well. Oh,
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Speaker 1: dear Anne has learned that Louisa is now engaged to
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Speaker 1: Captain Benwick and that Henrietta was now engaged to Charles Hayter,
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Speaker 1: and all seemed happy and well with them. Um, and
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Speaker 1: then of course and runs into Captain Wentworth and has
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Speaker 1: an interesting They have an interesting exchange together. However, at
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Speaker 1: the same time Mr Elliott, which by the way, this
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Speaker 1: was very like Game of Frones to me, where I'm
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Speaker 1: like I need a chart to keep track of who
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Speaker 1: is who? Okay, Elliot's going around Elliott Yes, yes, yes,
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Speaker 1: not her father. Her cousin was trying to wiggle his
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Speaker 1: way into her affections, causing Wentworth to be both jealous
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Speaker 1: and deterred. And it was soon after that and discovered
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Speaker 1: from her friend Mrs Smith how deceptive and uncaring Mr
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Speaker 1: Elliott really was, so her suspicions were correct Um, and
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Speaker 1: she resolved to let Lady Russell know of his character,
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Speaker 1: But before she could, she and Wentworth were able to
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Speaker 1: reconnect and soon became engaged. Mr Elliott leaves taking Mrs Clay,
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Speaker 1: a woman who was trying to seduce her way into
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Speaker 1: the Elliott family. Was a friend of Elizabeth. By the
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Speaker 1: way um and And and Captain Wentworth get married, Lady
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Speaker 1: Russell admits her mistake and accepts the couple as new friends. Yes,
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Speaker 1: and all this say also Ms Smith had connections with
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Speaker 1: Mr Elliott, who was not great, and she was trying
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Speaker 1: to get someone to help her get her fortunes because
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Speaker 1: there was a little bit of money out there, and
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Speaker 1: Captain Wentworth helped her and she was able to live
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Speaker 1: and everybody was happy. Everybody was happy. Yea. Although I
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Speaker 1: kind of that whole Mrs Clay thing. I was kind
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Speaker 1: of like Damn Right, who has two children, who was
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Speaker 1: the daughter of the lawyer that helped get all these
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Speaker 1: things in place. There's so many characters are we left out?
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but you should go and read the book.
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Speaker 1: It's short. If you like these things, go for it.
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Speaker 1: I will say. I tried to watch the new movie
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Speaker 1: with Dakoda Johnson. I could not get through it because
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Speaker 1: I know what they were trying to do, but it
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Speaker 1: was not working for me as a lover of this classic.
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Speaker 1: In the way it is formed to have Dakoda Johnson
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Speaker 1: portray and Elliott as a bumbling, clumsy woman who uh
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Speaker 1: brags about herself and it's just bitter, which is her
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Speaker 1: whole thing is like to be better. At the very beginning,
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Speaker 1: she talks about losing him, being a little angry about
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Speaker 1: what was happening, and then all she does is drink,
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Speaker 1: sit in the corner, lay face on a bed, like
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Speaker 1: she takes bads by herself, like this is how it
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Speaker 1: introduces it, and I'm like throughout the entire book, Jane
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Speaker 1: Austen portrays and as someone who understands why and there's
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Speaker 1: no way she could have married him at that point
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Speaker 1: and be where she was today as happy, like and
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Speaker 1: being glad that it worked out this way no matter what.
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Speaker 1: And then her whole character again she's a little too pristine,
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Speaker 1: too smart, but like it's to be unseen in the
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Speaker 1: corner and trying not to uh bring any ripples about
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Speaker 1: being a little heartbroken that he seems to have I'm
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Speaker 1: not forgiven her and he's trying to move on with
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Speaker 1: these other women type of things in the movie. At
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Speaker 1: a very beginning of the scene where I talked about
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Speaker 1: how Charles Musgroves says like was supposed to had originally
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Speaker 1: proposed to Anne. In the book, the sister's revealed to
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Speaker 1: Captain Wentworth that he had originally proposed and they had
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Speaker 1: wished that she had gotten married to him. In the movie,
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Speaker 1: and blurts it out at the dinner table in front
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Speaker 1: of everyone to everybody's chalcolate. She proposed to me first,
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Speaker 1: and I was like, what, so then that and I
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Speaker 1: was like, absolutely not, absolutely not. I can't do this.
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Speaker 1: I can't do this. So for those of you who
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Speaker 1: may have seen the movie and they actually liked it,
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Speaker 1: it's a grimace on Samantha's face that she's trying to
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Speaker 1: power through. I'm just like, let me know what I
19:21
Speaker 1: missed out, maybe to to rectify and come back to it,
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Speaker 1: because after that scene, I was like, no, I can't
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Speaker 1: do this. Yeah, yeah, that's fair, it's fair. I mean
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Speaker 1: you've said before, you've got your your versions that you
19:32
Speaker 1: like verry passionate about this. When you alter it so greatly,
19:38
Speaker 1: it just becomes this entire movie is supposed to be
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Speaker 1: a lot of cringe moments like oh, like she makes
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Speaker 1: fun of him and he walks in to hear her
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Speaker 1: and make fun of her him. Um, that does not happen. Uh,
19:51
Speaker 1: there's a moment where again she screams like she's supposed
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Speaker 1: to be across the way, she screams his name because
19:57
Speaker 1: he's talking to a girl the girls and she's jealous,
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Speaker 1: and then how she hides away underneath it because she
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Speaker 1: yelled his name and everybody's like, what, like all of
20:05
Speaker 1: these things is supposed to be like the cringe worthy level,
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Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't even like that when I
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Speaker 1: do like a movie, so maybe, and the take is
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Speaker 1: like I think it's supposed to be a modern take
20:18
Speaker 1: back then because they rank people about you're a tin here,
20:22
Speaker 1: but let there that type of thing. So I think
20:25
Speaker 1: that's what they were trying to do with it, to
20:27
Speaker 1: make this new type of thing. But I'm like that works.
20:29
Speaker 1: I feel like more so with like Clueless or ten
20:32
Speaker 1: things that I hate about you, where they flip it
20:34
Speaker 1: to be like taking the old tell into a modern take, sure,
20:38
Speaker 1: but trying to do a modern take to in the
20:39
Speaker 1: old Till in that timeline, it doesn't feel like it works. Yeah,
20:44
Speaker 1: I think it's difficult to pull off, for sure. I
20:50
Speaker 1: say that as I still kind of like Nights Till
20:51
Speaker 1: and that's a whole different movie. And they do that. Yeah. Again,
20:55
Speaker 1: it can be done. It's just not easily done. It's
20:59
Speaker 1: not easily done. It's not okay now that I've printed
21:02
Speaker 1: about that, all right, So, of course one of the
21:08
Speaker 1: big themes is women in society and the role in
21:11
Speaker 1: society at that point and time, because all throughout Austin's
21:16
Speaker 1: books you will see that as the main plot of
21:20
Speaker 1: all of them is trying to find a good marriage. Yeah,
21:24
Speaker 1: and I think this is one of the things that
21:28
Speaker 1: can be easily forgotten, but at this time it was
21:32
Speaker 1: a huge deal for what like that was your purpose,
21:37
Speaker 1: especially in this where they were located. And the timing
21:40
Speaker 1: of this was as a woman, you have to have
21:43
Speaker 1: a pretty upstanding, polite society reputation and then you will
21:51
Speaker 1: be married off and what is hopefully a financially good
21:54
Speaker 1: decision for the woman and the family. And it was,
21:59
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a huge it was very important.
22:01
Speaker 1: You couldn't known anything like I mean with what happened
22:03
Speaker 1: to Jane Austin or she died poor, even though she'd
22:07
Speaker 1: written all the stuff that is so successful now, but
22:10
Speaker 1: she didn't get married and so it was seen as
22:14
Speaker 1: a failure. And I think that that can sometimes get lost,
22:18
Speaker 1: and I did enjoy that the importance of it was
22:21
Speaker 1: still there, but it was like underlaid with all of
22:24
Speaker 1: the slayers of gossip, kind of like pettiness and uh,
22:31
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of stuff about about class,
22:34
Speaker 1: which is pretty common for these kinds of books as well.
22:36
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, that's the whole thing. Is like
22:40
Speaker 1: her sister trying to get married. Her other sister did
22:43
Speaker 1: get married, She's got to get married because their father
22:47
Speaker 1: went to debt. Like, it's all of the stuff about well,
22:50
Speaker 1: I gotta do this for the family and for money essentially, right,
22:54
Speaker 1: So essentially, And I don't know, because I don't know
22:57
Speaker 1: customarily how correct we are. I'm assuming it is because
23:01
Speaker 1: it was her time frame. But I think with Emma
23:04
Speaker 1: they had this conversation about being um a spencer with money,
23:09
Speaker 1: you're able to do that more so than being a
23:11
Speaker 1: spencer not without money, that you people literally die essentially, um,
23:16
Speaker 1: And that the idea that if it's taken away, So
23:19
Speaker 1: we see that often, and we saw that in many
23:21
Speaker 1: of the books Pride and Prejudice. If there's no male air,
23:24
Speaker 1: it goes to the next male air, which could be
23:26
Speaker 1: a cousin or someone who will turn you out. There
23:28
Speaker 1: is a book I can't remember which one where they
23:30
Speaker 1: actually do turn out the family where they're like, uh,
23:34
Speaker 1: the the I think it was like an uncle or
23:36
Speaker 1: a cousin who inherits it and he had promised to
23:39
Speaker 1: help them, but he doesn't. He chooses not to, and
23:41
Speaker 1: so they go to destitute situation. This is that conversation.
23:45
Speaker 1: And I feel like I'm talking about her as nowhere. Uh.
23:47
Speaker 1: For Austin, it was so important that she fall for love,
23:50
Speaker 1: that she was willing to sacrifice all of that to
23:54
Speaker 1: be there. And it doesn't sound like anybody held her
23:57
Speaker 1: responsible and or were bitter towards her because of that.
24:00
Speaker 1: Like her only sister Cassandra, she had five brothers. Again,
24:03
Speaker 1: she did get help from one of the brothers. Uh,
24:06
Speaker 1: and apparently they lost their money and in a scheme,
24:09
Speaker 1: not a scheme, but a thing that they invested in
24:11
Speaker 1: with another brother. There's a whole different level of things
24:14
Speaker 1: that were happening here. Um, but it is it's like
24:17
Speaker 1: she stuck to her guns in her books as well.
24:19
Speaker 1: But she saw the happier ending and was hoping for
24:22
Speaker 1: the happier ending, which is kind of the tragic bit
24:25
Speaker 1: that that happened that she didn't get to any of that.
24:27
Speaker 1: And of course, yeah, money was a huge thing, which
24:30
Speaker 1: I don't understand how money worked at that point in time.
24:32
Speaker 1: Was nobody like nobody seems to do things, but they
24:35
Speaker 1: all have money, Like I'm very confused by that in itself. Yeah, well,
24:40
Speaker 1: I think that's where a lot of the like class
24:43
Speaker 1: comes in of kind of inherited money or marrying into
24:46
Speaker 1: money or both. Um. But it's also important to remember
24:50
Speaker 1: at this time, you know, love might have been a
24:54
Speaker 1: thing in marriages, but often it was an economic Originally
25:00
Speaker 1: it was much more of like a financial decision than
25:03
Speaker 1: anything to do with love, which makes sense even today
25:06
Speaker 1: to me to that extent. But I'm like, you know what,
25:10
Speaker 1: maybe they're not far off. Maybe that shouldn't be a
25:12
Speaker 1: bad thing, because emotions change, all emotions change. But I
25:17
Speaker 1: also found it funny that she was she wrote the
25:20
Speaker 1: lines for her father about how titles are not earned,
25:24
Speaker 1: accomplishments are not earned, but you're born with it, and
25:27
Speaker 1: how could these traditions change. I feel like we hear
25:30
Speaker 1: that today in different forms of like essentially privilege of
25:33
Speaker 1: like oh well I got this, you got this from
25:36
Speaker 1: your daddy, stop right, and how you think that's class.
25:39
Speaker 1: That's not, that's not class. Stop it. But that that
25:42
Speaker 1: was pretty funny, and I think she did, of course,
25:44
Speaker 1: she wrote that on purpose to talk about this absurdity
25:47
Speaker 1: about the ideal of class and rank, and it was
25:51
Speaker 1: a beautiful Her writing is so good. It's just so good.
25:56
Speaker 1: Of course, when we talk about all of that with
25:58
Speaker 1: marriage and responsibility, we talked about families, whether it's the good,
26:02
Speaker 1: the bad, and unfortunately just what it is the undeniable.
26:06
Speaker 1: They are here, that's what they are. Um. I feel
26:09
Speaker 1: like again her painting of her mother, possibly in the
26:13
Speaker 1: characters of Prian Prejudice, she does this with the ridiculous mother.
26:17
Speaker 1: In the character of her sister Mary, she does this
26:20
Speaker 1: of this ridiculous woman who was just obviously privileged and
26:24
Speaker 1: over the top spoiled and really just self self absorbed
26:30
Speaker 1: character and what that looks like and how she portrays
26:33
Speaker 1: them in the book. Of course we know they're not
26:36
Speaker 1: all the one dimensional, but she does that as a
26:38
Speaker 1: comic relief but also probably a stress relief. I'm guessing, yeah, yeah,
26:45
Speaker 1: And I think it's one of those things where I
26:48
Speaker 1: imagine most of us can relate to this even though
26:51
Speaker 1: it was written so long ago, that you have the
26:54
Speaker 1: the family member who's always kind of like needing you
26:58
Speaker 1: to help them for whatever reason. You've got the you
27:04
Speaker 1: feel responsible for, like perhaps somebody older in your life
27:08
Speaker 1: and their financial security, and you've got the like one
27:12
Speaker 1: you're always being compared to. Perhaps like there's just a
27:15
Speaker 1: bunch of family relationships that I think a lot of
27:18
Speaker 1: us can relate to kind of or like, oh, I
27:20
Speaker 1: have something sort of like that in my life. Maybe
27:23
Speaker 1: it's not even family can be friends as well, but
27:25
Speaker 1: like and the whole idea of her, I feel like
27:29
Speaker 1: when you compare and to the rest of her family,
27:32
Speaker 1: it does And this might be Austin kind of again, yeah,
27:36
Speaker 1: having that trust relief, it does feel like they all
27:39
Speaker 1: were using her for something. Umhe it's her dad, like financially,
27:45
Speaker 1: her younger sister to be like the person she can
27:48
Speaker 1: complain to you about everything, her older sister to compare
27:51
Speaker 1: like I'm better than you, all those kinds of things,
27:55
Speaker 1: and and kind of trying to be the diplomat. And
27:59
Speaker 1: then you've got this Mr Elliott cousin fellow at the
28:02
Speaker 1: end just kind of using them and what seems a
28:07
Speaker 1: very callous way to just secure the inheritance. UM. So yeah,
28:13
Speaker 1: I mean there's like those are kind of the negative aspects.
28:16
Speaker 1: There were certainly some positive interactions between all of them
28:21
Speaker 1: that were fun to see, but it is that that
28:25
Speaker 1: tension and family and how we treat each other and
28:27
Speaker 1: use each other was very apparent. I do think it's
28:31
Speaker 1: funny that she, uh, it's kind of one of those
28:34
Speaker 1: like his family, what can you do the time of situations?
28:38
Speaker 1: And she has amongst a lot of the books that
28:41
Speaker 1: she does. I also do appreciate and I thought it
28:45
Speaker 1: was really hilarious the way they talk about the dead
28:48
Speaker 1: brother of the must gross then just literally like thank
28:53
Speaker 1: God he's dead, Like he really was useless outside of
28:55
Speaker 1: just dying. I mean, he's a good thing he died,
28:57
Speaker 1: but we're gonna pretend like we really mourned him miss him.
28:59
Speaker 1: But I was just like, wow, j I'm not sure
29:02
Speaker 1: your life that happened. But to be fair, and this
29:05
Speaker 1: is I've read an interesting but about the fact that
29:09
Speaker 1: she did have another brother who was institutionalized. Um. And
29:13
Speaker 1: then after thirteen years old, after he was pretty much
29:16
Speaker 1: given away, they never talked about him again. They never
29:18
Speaker 1: let me stopped to him and she did that too.
29:21
Speaker 1: She was a part of that not caring, not noticing
29:23
Speaker 1: he died at see, no one went to his funeral,
29:25
Speaker 1: no one cared like it was pretty sad. So I'm
29:27
Speaker 1: wondering if that was how she felt, which is awful,
29:30
Speaker 1: which is awful, awful, awful and meaning care like Caroless.
29:33
Speaker 1: It does kind of put a stain on who she
29:35
Speaker 1: is and like and I get it in that sense
29:37
Speaker 1: of like during that time and age, that's what you did,
29:40
Speaker 1: uh still really callous and cold. But I wondered if
29:44
Speaker 1: that was kind of that mentioning. Again, I could have
29:48
Speaker 1: been raging way too much into this, and I have
29:49
Speaker 1: a feeling awesome fans may come after me for saying that,
29:52
Speaker 1: but there was there's this like connection of this one
29:55
Speaker 1: brother who kind of just was shunned because whether whether
30:00
Speaker 1: it was mental health stuff, whether it was uh physical stuff,
30:04
Speaker 1: whether it was whatever, he left it left to be
30:07
Speaker 1: seventy one. I mean that's amazing at that point in time. Yeah,
30:12
Speaker 1: that I'm like, Okay, it makes me wonder because they
30:16
Speaker 1: talked about him having quote unquote fits you know, we
30:18
Speaker 1: don't know what that means, and then that that's what
30:21
Speaker 1: happened with his brother. No one acknowledged him, no one
30:23
Speaker 1: sent him money, no one talked to him, no one
30:25
Speaker 1: reached out to him. Like it makes me think a
30:27
Speaker 1: lot about like what what was the point of this
30:29
Speaker 1: one character that she brought in, because I don't really
30:33
Speaker 1: hear much of that callousness of someone dying like they
30:37
Speaker 1: did in this way of like outside of like, oh
30:40
Speaker 1: this man was useless, this ex husband was useless, he
30:44
Speaker 1: was mean, or all these things like that kind of thing.
30:46
Speaker 1: But that was kind of interesting. So I don't know
30:49
Speaker 1: if that was something pointed with her own family take.
30:53
Speaker 1: It was one of her last books. She was getting sick.
30:56
Speaker 1: She apparently had a lot of ailments, so that could
30:58
Speaker 1: have been just as that so being being seen as
31:00
Speaker 1: inconvenient or whatever whatnot. I found that interesting. Again, they
31:05
Speaker 1: got too dark and too deep into her history for
31:08
Speaker 1: that one. But yeah, um, of course, as a part
31:12
Speaker 1: of anything else, wealth talking about wealth. Constant talk about
31:15
Speaker 1: wealth and money being a motivator, whether it's who you
31:19
Speaker 1: married or who didn't marry, is all throughout her book.
31:22
Speaker 1: And of course her constant backthought is I can't marry
31:25
Speaker 1: this person or I have to marry this person because
31:28
Speaker 1: of money. Um. And of course it was at that
31:31
Speaker 1: point in time your livelihood depended on whether or not
31:33
Speaker 1: you could provide for yourself and your family. Right right,
31:37
Speaker 1: it is like the biggest driver for a lot of
31:40
Speaker 1: decisions that were made. And I mean it starts with
31:45
Speaker 1: I thought this was really interesting how it begins, because I,
31:48
Speaker 1: as someone who hadn't read it, it kind of starts
31:50
Speaker 1: with this interesting portrait of Sir Walter Elliott and how
31:56
Speaker 1: who he is and how he got into debt and
31:58
Speaker 1: how he's so proud, doesn't want anyone to know that
32:02
Speaker 1: he's in this trouble and how can they like keep
32:04
Speaker 1: up airs as they say, And then you get introduced
32:08
Speaker 1: to his daughters. And I didn't know who the main
32:10
Speaker 1: character was, and originally they're kind of paint and it
32:13
Speaker 1: was like this background like she's okay, and so I
32:17
Speaker 1: didn't know what's going on. Um, But it's like right
32:20
Speaker 1: from the jump is the impetus of we need money. Uh,
32:28
Speaker 1: we want to at least look like we have money.
32:31
Speaker 1: We want to be able to, you know, appear like
32:35
Speaker 1: we're a high society or whatever. And that determines, you know,
32:39
Speaker 1: like where they move and their relationships with people, and
32:44
Speaker 1: not just like marriage but like friends, like who you're
32:46
Speaker 1: gonna hang out with, who will be seen with, all
32:49
Speaker 1: those kinds of things. Um, so it was incredibly huge,
32:55
Speaker 1: seem and important to everybody, right right? Uh? I actually
33:02
Speaker 1: really like you talking about them having They can't be
33:05
Speaker 1: associated with friends with unless they have high money, which
33:08
Speaker 1: was the whole like the thought process of Elizabeth trying
33:12
Speaker 1: to invite people that she doesn't want to be seen
33:14
Speaker 1: but they should. They have their standing, should be just
33:17
Speaker 1: happy with an afternoon drink game session instead of a
33:21
Speaker 1: whole mill, because they don't want it. First, she doesn't
33:23
Speaker 1: want to be seen as poor because I can't do
33:25
Speaker 1: that because I only have one or two servants that
33:27
Speaker 1: they need more to be seen as high class. But
33:30
Speaker 1: at the same time they're not deserving even though they
33:32
Speaker 1: have more money than than Elizabeth and Sir Wallace that
33:36
Speaker 1: it's quite funny, that dichotomy of her, like, but we're
33:38
Speaker 1: still higher ranking than them, so we don't want this
33:42
Speaker 1: to happen. It's quite funny. And then she gets jaded
33:46
Speaker 1: and all all alone. I know that's I'm telling you
33:52
Speaker 1: that whole Miss Clay, Thanks to me for a loop well,
33:55
Speaker 1: I knew it was. I knew because she was kind
33:57
Speaker 1: of like I knew she was being set up with
34:00
Speaker 1: the father, but she wasn't being set up. She was
34:03
Speaker 1: setting herself up with the father. She was trying to
34:06
Speaker 1: scheme her way in. I was hoping they'd be real friends.
34:10
Speaker 1: That's all. That's all. There's some one or two scandalous
34:14
Speaker 1: women about, and she is the one for this one clearly.
34:18
Speaker 1: Stud Her life is sad again because she's like just
34:24
Speaker 1: trying to make it. But that's okay because with her
34:26
Speaker 1: being the mistress of Mr Elliott, she owned that home
34:30
Speaker 1: and therefore she has made herself a mistress. I know
34:34
Speaker 1: she did it. She did it. She did I don't
34:38
Speaker 1: own it well and he does now, Yeah, I mean
34:42
Speaker 1: we on the flip side, we do see, is it
34:44
Speaker 1: Mrs Smith? Like we see what happens when you don't
34:48
Speaker 1: have money for women to write. And it was not
34:51
Speaker 1: her fault and there was money there and she couldn't
34:53
Speaker 1: get to it unless a man, you know, vouched for
34:56
Speaker 1: her and helped her. It was the whole thing. Like
34:58
Speaker 1: she's now settled, but for the time being she wasn't
35:02
Speaker 1: as she was death too and had one or two friends,
35:05
Speaker 1: and no one wanted to help her except for the
35:08
Speaker 1: nurse friend. And then it turned out it's partially this Mr.
35:11
Speaker 1: Elliott's fault that she can't live. Yeah, I feel like
35:15
Speaker 1: a lot of evil, a lot of the stuff, not
35:18
Speaker 1: all of it what you're about to talk about, but
35:20
Speaker 1: a lot of it was like your dad's in debt.
35:23
Speaker 1: So now this woman has to suffer. Are like this
35:27
Speaker 1: man and now this woman has to suffer right oftentimes
35:32
Speaker 1: that we see that again and again and again. And
35:35
Speaker 1: that's what Jamee's like, don't go with a false man
35:38
Speaker 1: because he's not going to leave you happy. And as
35:56
Speaker 1: the title was suggest persuasion are being persuaded or even
36:02
Speaker 1: manipulated if you want to go one step further is
36:04
Speaker 1: a big theme throughout and as the result of why
36:09
Speaker 1: she's in this situation, or anybody is in this situation
36:12
Speaker 1: in general, because she is trying to please everyone else
36:17
Speaker 1: but herself. Yeah, which I you know, I'm several layers
36:21
Speaker 1: removed from this time period, obviously, but I really related
36:24
Speaker 1: to that. I have dated people. I was kind of
36:26
Speaker 1: like m because I thought like society was telling me
36:30
Speaker 1: to like you should do it, give it it go
36:33
Speaker 1: and so in this particular case, like we see and
36:37
Speaker 1: you know, pretty happy with this guy fred Rick. She
36:40
Speaker 1: was quite young, but she was pretty happy with him.
36:42
Speaker 1: Announced announced this engagement, and like Lady Russell in particular
36:47
Speaker 1: was like no, no, and no, and I'm gonna I'm
36:51
Speaker 1: gonna talk to you out of it, and everybody was
36:52
Speaker 1: against it, and so she kind of so she she
36:55
Speaker 1: broke it off. Um and as you said, like perhaps
36:59
Speaker 1: that was for the best, like they could both mature,
37:01
Speaker 1: he could come back at a better time. But it
37:03
Speaker 1: was something that she was basically kind of bullied almost
37:09
Speaker 1: like no, no, no, no, this is not her her
37:13
Speaker 1: decision and her agency almost was kind of taken away,
37:16
Speaker 1: like no, that's bad match, you don't want to do that.
37:19
Speaker 1: And she really respected Lady Russell, so she was like okay, right, right,
37:24
Speaker 1: So Lady Russell was the friend of the mother and
37:27
Speaker 1: very big confident to the home. She really helped them
37:30
Speaker 1: out so many times. It was really kind of funny. Also,
37:33
Speaker 1: Sir Wallace's description of Lady Russell was like, yeah, but
37:36
Speaker 1: she's not pretty and she's getting old, so no, that's
37:39
Speaker 1: kind of that's that's what his thing was. But yeah,
37:42
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting because yes, this is the beginning.
37:44
Speaker 1: We understand that she has been talked out of being
37:47
Speaker 1: in love essentially with this man who has no fortune,
37:51
Speaker 1: who has no name, so therefore she doesn't do it.
37:55
Speaker 1: But then we see that later on that people are
37:56
Speaker 1: trying to do the same things again and trying to
37:58
Speaker 1: turn her to a different man too, may have been
38:01
Speaker 1: like seemingly better. All of these conversations, whether it's trying
38:05
Speaker 1: to persuade one person to be one person to go
38:08
Speaker 1: to this place, like, all of these things are happening,
38:10
Speaker 1: and she's finally coming into her own and doing her
38:13
Speaker 1: own work to figure out what she wants and truly
38:17
Speaker 1: what she wants and why she wants it, or why
38:20
Speaker 1: she doesn't trust this person or whatever what not, instead
38:22
Speaker 1: of just believing that they're of a good character and
38:25
Speaker 1: or not. So I find that funny. Throughout we also
38:29
Speaker 1: see the other works of people trying to manipulate her
38:33
Speaker 1: into other situations, whether it's Mary manipulating her to be like,
38:38
Speaker 1: you need to stay with me and take care of
38:39
Speaker 1: the children, and does that works? She does it, and
38:42
Speaker 1: then all these other things happen, and then you also see, um,
38:47
Speaker 1: I don't know if for some manipulation or quite like,
38:50
Speaker 1: we don't know if Captain Wentworth actually pushed Benwick to
38:55
Speaker 1: Louisa so he could no longer have to actually marry her.
38:59
Speaker 1: I don't know. He says it's good fortune and it
39:01
Speaker 1: just happened to happen, so you know, okay, seems suspect. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
39:10
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean, as I said earlier, like a
39:13
Speaker 1: lot of what people's actions were in regards to Anne
39:17
Speaker 1: were of all about them. So like even with Charles Mr.
39:21
Speaker 1: Musgrove and everyone being like we wish you had married him,
39:25
Speaker 1: they want that, not necessarily because they like really like
39:27
Speaker 1: and but they like and better than married. But yeah,
39:33
Speaker 1: all of these kind of machinations and manipulations around relationships.
39:37
Speaker 1: And I think it's what you said earlier that was
39:40
Speaker 1: a really good point of her learning to trust herself
39:43
Speaker 1: of not just like, oh this guy is suspicious, she
39:46
Speaker 1: gets the bottom of why he's suspicious, she trust, she
39:49
Speaker 1: feels it, but then she gets the bottom of it.
39:51
Speaker 1: And it's the same with Frederick, where she's like, I
39:55
Speaker 1: still really like this guy and just kind of like
39:58
Speaker 1: accepting you know what, that's that's what I want, That's
40:02
Speaker 1: what I'm right everybody else. Yeah, and yeah, I appreciate that.
40:07
Speaker 1: And then also Lady Russell being persuaded to understand she
40:10
Speaker 1: was wrong, she was wrong, she was very wrong about
40:13
Speaker 1: both of these men, and then realizing having to admit
40:15
Speaker 1: that and coming to understanding that they're in a happy place.
40:19
Speaker 1: But again and throughout like, I am not better about this.
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Speaker 1: I don't think this was out of malice. And I
40:24
Speaker 1: think this worked out to the perfect timing, which is
40:27
Speaker 1: probably the other theme to this is like timing for everything. Um,
40:30
Speaker 1: even though it caused a lot of heartache and a
40:34
Speaker 1: lot of doubt, it finally came round to working itself out. Uh.
40:39
Speaker 1: And of course he's in a better situation because he
40:41
Speaker 1: is rich continuing to be rich. Apparently this is during
40:44
Speaker 1: the the French War anyway, it was literally around that time.
40:49
Speaker 1: And and you know, an interesting fun fact also is
40:52
Speaker 1: when one of the places that Jane Alson and her
40:55
Speaker 1: family had to move to was a naval town, and
40:58
Speaker 1: there insinuation that they had a really hard time and
41:02
Speaker 1: may have been harassed by those around her because they
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Speaker 1: were not of they didn't have money, so therefore they
41:09
Speaker 1: were treated poorly. I'm not sure, but she seems to
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Speaker 1: give a good review of the Navy and those in
41:14
Speaker 1: the Navy. So I don't know, it would not imply
41:17
Speaker 1: that maybe it was just a setup that she needed.
41:20
Speaker 1: Who knows, because again this does go to a lot
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Speaker 1: of her own life life where she seemingly uses the
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Speaker 1: rich character to the guy that she turned down, uh,
41:32
Speaker 1: to being in love with the lower character who needed
41:36
Speaker 1: money but came up on money. All of these things
41:38
Speaker 1: that happened to be perfect for these conversations. Apparently her
41:43
Speaker 1: father was a reverence, so we to have conversations about
41:45
Speaker 1: that and some of the books that she writes, so
41:49
Speaker 1: there's a lot to be said. Um, and and how
41:52
Speaker 1: she takes her own personal situations and put it into
41:56
Speaker 1: the books. UM. But yeah, I really, I really loved
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Speaker 1: this book. How did you feel it was a fun read?
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Speaker 1: It was a fun read. Like I said, I wish
42:05
Speaker 1: I had had a chart. I think I figured out,
42:08
Speaker 1: but when Mr Elliott showed up, I was so confused.
42:13
Speaker 1: And it's also because of like my modern day mind
42:15
Speaker 1: where I'm like, never would you marry family members, um,
42:19
Speaker 1: which was not true at the time. But god, I
42:23
Speaker 1: was so confused. But I did enjoy it. It It did
42:26
Speaker 1: kind of crack me up. I know I mentioned it earlier,
42:28
Speaker 1: but I was like, you know, you add dragons in here.
42:29
Speaker 1: This is Game of Thrones. This is the same thing,
42:32
Speaker 1: a little bit more violence of drama, dragons violence, and
42:35
Speaker 1: less happy endings. I think maybe maybe your family drama. Yeah.
42:40
Speaker 1: I was like, there's a lot of drama, a lot
42:43
Speaker 1: of not as funny equips as you like to start
42:46
Speaker 1: here in Game of Throws that I've maybe that's just me. Yeah,
42:53
Speaker 1: I I love these books and it always makes me
42:55
Speaker 1: feel cozy and like it is feel sentimental in itself.
42:59
Speaker 1: I still argue with people about whether or not as
43:01
Speaker 1: feminist because people like they just get married, they all
43:04
Speaker 1: settled in all, you know, given to marriage, And I'm like,
43:07
Speaker 1: but yeah, this is the standard. And and during her
43:09
Speaker 1: time she was rebellious and her own life she was
43:13
Speaker 1: actually rebellious did not end well. But it's okay because
43:17
Speaker 1: she accomplished a lot um as we see. Unfortunately not
43:22
Speaker 1: during that time. We wish we could have given all
43:24
Speaker 1: the flowers. Although she did get money for it, she
43:26
Speaker 1: did get paid, and she did get some um, some
43:28
Speaker 1: fame and a claim for it as loving the book
43:31
Speaker 1: not necessarily her um, but yeah. I think it's it's
43:34
Speaker 1: such a great take. There's so many things to learn
43:37
Speaker 1: from it as you look back on what were the traditions,
43:40
Speaker 1: were an understanding where she was that she was fighting
43:43
Speaker 1: society with these books and trying to talk about how
43:47
Speaker 1: these standards are absurd, and class and rank was absurd,
43:52
Speaker 1: and how for women it means nothing almost Yeah. Yeah,
43:57
Speaker 1: and I think with her her woody equips as you say,
44:02
Speaker 1: like you see that, you see that shining through of
44:04
Speaker 1: this commentary on how absurd and ridiculous a lot of
44:10
Speaker 1: all of this is. She's not quiet about it, and
44:13
Speaker 1: I love m h. It was really fun. It was
44:16
Speaker 1: really fun. Maybe we'll do another one in the future. Yes,
44:20
Speaker 1: I mean, if we want to do the whole damn
44:22
Speaker 1: Pride and Prejudice BBC series, I'm down. I would love it.
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Speaker 1: I think be great. Oh my god, parts and I'm excited.
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Speaker 1: Perfect it's our next the whole month of content planned out.
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Speaker 1: I would I would love it. I think you're great. Um, well,
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