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The future of the fashion industry and reverse engineering! Destiny Pinto| on Tilly Talks Tech · Tilly Talks Tech

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_02: Hello, Transformers, and welcome to Dilly Talks Tech.
• 0:02
  SPEAKER_02: I hope you're well and enjoying season two of the podcast.
• 0:05
  SPEAKER_02: I'm having so much fun talking to all of these incredible people.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_02: A mixture of like learning some things I never even knew about, and also getting guests on that I myself have actually worked with, like today's guest, oh my goodness, you are in for a treat.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_02: On Daily Talks Tech, we're all about expressing ourselves through technology and design.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's been such a massive part of my journey, and we're seeing it a lot more.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_02: We are legitimately experiencing this new wave of technology where fashion and inclusive design is becoming so prevalent.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_02: It's got me so excited.
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  SPEAKER_02: From ostomy bag covers to hearing aid embellishments to super chic compression gloves.
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  SPEAKER_02: Today I'm sitting down with a designer turning things people are told they need to hide into something they actually really want to wear and show off.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_02: She's been featured in Forbes, Dazed, and she won the British folk XBMW Future Creators competition, which happened just last year when she was only 22.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_02: Not only did she get that professional approval, but her designs and basically her label went viral before it was even created.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_02: Before it was even created.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_02: Please welcome to the podcast The Absolute Diva, the icon, the business lady.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_02: It is Destiny Pinterest.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_02: Hello Destiny.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_02: Welcome to the podcast.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_02: I'm so excited to see you again.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_02: How have you been?
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_02: What have you been up to?
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's good.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_01: I've been good.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_01: Just working slowly.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm excited to speak to you.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_02: I want to get into obviously your brand and your label and everything like that.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_02: But before I do all that, I want to hit you with this like insane statistic that I read online.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_02: The adaptive fashion market is a$349 billion market.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_02: Like there was recently so much investment into that.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_02: And as somebody who works in that space, would you know that by just looking at the industry?
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_01: I wouldn't know that just by looking at it, but I have been doing more research into it, and I did see that statistic, and that kind of blew my mind.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's crazy.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_01: It does make sense though.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like disabilities are rising, chronic illnesses are rising, but I think it's also just about learning and figuring out ways to like tap into that market, also.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_02: The parallels between me and your journey have been quite similar in the sense that, you know, we went to get our medical devices and we were disappointed in what we found when we when we were given, you know, this device that was meant to help us.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_02: Like it actually hindered us in a way because it just was not true to how we felt as humans.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_02: And I was wondering if you could talk me through your own experience with your disability and that moment you realize, like God, there's really not anything out here.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_01: I think, yeah, definitely I see parallels between us.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_01: And I also just looking back on it, it was like about five years now that I got diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_01: And at first, when I first found out about compression gloves and assistive devices and stuff, I was really happy with it because of how much it helped me and because it was like relieving a lot of the pain and stuff.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_01: But then I would only like wear it at home.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I didn't even I was just doing that because of the appearance of it and because of how it looked.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_01: So like at home, I was wearing all my like beige stuff, all my like black assistive devices and stuff, and I'd be like layering it on and stuff.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_01: But then obviously, when I'd be outside, I'd tend to like take them off, and I didn't even realize that I was doing it.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_01: And then the days that I would wear them outside, I just remember needing them to get through the night and like going to parties with my friends and stuff.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_01: I remember I went once to a house party and I had to wear my compression gloves, and then it being just a big topic of conversation from for like a lot of people, and that just gave me a lot of anxiety and making me think, wait, maybe I shouldn't be wearing these outside.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_01: And that kind of planted the little seed in my brain of being like, surely there should be better solutions.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_01: And like when I was looking at compression gloves online, all I'd see is like tablecloth looking designs, or like designs made for kids, or like designs with just these childish designs on them that like I wouldn't really want to wear.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_02: That's that's really sad to think like you know, you you love them, you wore it at them all the time because it was genuinely helpful.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_02: Like these things are functional, but like sort of the social aspect of that made you kind of uncomfortable, you know?
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_02: And do you think that's because of maybe the stigma that other people put on it, or maybe this like the internalized sort of stigma that we place on it as well?
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know, there is this stigma around medical devices where it's like, you know, it feels quite disabled and like I'm just wearing this because it's functional, but it doesn't feel like me.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_02: So interesting.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_01: I think my first thoughts on that is like even thinking of like where you'd buy these medical devices from, it's usually like Etsy or like Amazon, and you'd have to like search such complicated names and stuff.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_01: And this was like five years ago.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_01: I think there's many layers to it of like first not knowing that these assistive devices exist.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_01: Secondly, not knowing that arthritis and like hand dexterity issues was common and like a lot of people had them.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_01: These devices that are meant to help me, but like I don't see it being sold on like mainstream platforms and stuff.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't even know whether it's that helpful.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_01: And then the last element of it is like coming to terms with your illness, recently being diagnosed, having so much anxiety with it, and then having to like explain it to like strangers that you meet, and it's not their fault because like it is like a thing that they're seeing for the first time, but it's just kind of like it's just an odd, uncomfortable situation to be in.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I just knew that I wanted to create a more seamless and easy solution for people to benefit from, and then also having a platform where they can talk about it and it being more known.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, that's so super cool.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_02: Like, what were the steps after that?
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's really interesting you say like the kind of the even if there were devices out there, like the marketing just wasn't there, like it wasn't mainstream, it was this super niche thing that you had to go searching for.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_02: What were the steps after that who you're like, okay, no, I need to make this?
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_01: At first, it wasn't even like okay, I'm gonna make this into a product and I'm gonna have a fashion brand.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_01: It was literally I'm creating this radical thing where I'm taking this medical device and I'm making a cool fashion design out of it.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_01: And it's gonna be this crazy art project to show like a story behind the medical device and then turning it into a new device and then using virtual fashion as a more accessible way.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_01: And like the thing with like art projects and like how projects are in art school is like you create a final piece, which is the redesigned medical device, but then you do all this research and story of like explaining why this is the final piece, and that's kind of how art projects are then exhibited onto like shows and stuff like that.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_01: So it was a lot of like this is just a conceptual art project of like putting this idea out there.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_01: And as I graduated university, I started like showing it in more exhibitions, doing more virtual designs, posting on social media and stuff.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_01: And then that's when things just kind of slowly started forming into like me finding a manufacturer to make like orders, like uh made-to-order stuff and like making a small amount to order and then increasing the MOQ, just thinking, oh, this could potentially be an accessories label and this could be more than just my device, it could be other devices.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like that's must have been so exciting for you as somebody who like lit that and like you're making what you wanted at the end of the day.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_02: And then to see how the internet and everybody sort of like jumped on that as well, how you knew okay, this is what the people want is the fact that like didn't your designs like legit go viral before the label was even created?
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_02: It was like it was everywhere and you hadn't even made it yet.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_02: Like, how was that?
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_00: You're so cute, also.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_00: You're just so excited.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like you're some you're kind of more excited about this than I am at this moment.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I'm like, I've been fangiling about you since I saw you on like Instagram reels, like last year.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_01: That's really, really sweet.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so yeah, it did go viral before I even had products because I knew the power of social media and I knew that like social media marketing and like how social media is for like designers and art and stuff, like it could be really powerful.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_01: So when I was first posting on social media, it was kind of just posting my designs and stuff like that.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_01: And then I kind of just did a compilation of like a lot of my designs in one.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_01: I kind of hit my audience exactly where it was like the comments start flooding in of like different medical device users and like people finding out of other brand, and that was so, so cool.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_01: But I also realized that throughout my journey of creating this, I always have moments of like really quiet, like it's not going viral.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's just me with like this problem that's like stressing me out, and then just like slowly kind of working on it and putting pieces together, using it as like a therapy form of like this is an issue that I'm really struggling with, getting the story together and then slowly putting it out on social media and like telling social media the final product of this thing that I'm doing.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_01: And then it goes viral on social media, and then it's like, oh my god, that's great.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm constantly in that cycle of trying to figure out, trying to like deal with things in my own life, my personal life.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_01: And then when I'm ready to talk about it, I then talk about it on social media and figure out a way that the algorithm will like push that story that I want to tell.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, I think I think social media for a start, it's like you say, like it's such an underrated, oh, it's just a little TikTok video, it's just a little Instagram.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_02: Like, no, because it it will go so widespread and it is the ability to be able to reach the exact people that you're targeting.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_02: It wasn't seen on social media, so you're kind of like bringing so many eyes at once to this problem which has existed for like freaking decades.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, I got to go and do that shoot with you um a couple weeks ago.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_02: That was like me, you, a couple of your models, and the vibes were just so good.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_02: We're all rocking your devices.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_02: Like, how is that for you to see as a designer, as somebody who's struggled pushing this into the public eye and getting it mainstream?
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_02: You know, that must be so fun for you.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think shoots are like my favorite part of the job, like one of the favorite parts of the job, because it's like it's constantly like working, working, working, pushing, trying to figure things out, and then even like planning the shoots.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_01: You'll I feel like I'm a robot when I'm planning it.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_01: But then when I'm actually in the shoots and I'm with these like real life people and I'm talking about the brand, and it's kind of like a form of like bringing the brand and the world to life.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's kind of the moments when like my body just kind of is still for a second, and I'm able to like take it all in.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_01: And so in the shoots, like my favorite thing is like when I'm having like specific conversations with people, and I'm able to just be there and speak to them and get insight onto like how they find the designs and how they find being in the shoe and their own problems with their own disability or their medical device, and I just love it.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_01: And we're able to like connect in like such a more real way as well, because we're all kind of it is like its own kind of world and community, and then also getting connected to like different people.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like I worked with Ash, you knew Ash as well.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_01: So we talked about that, and then I connected you with Bernadette and all like sick women, like cool women that I am connected to in the in this world of like social media.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_02: It's so cool, like genuinely, it's it is my favorite thing as well, like being on that, and like I love your marketing so much because it is like it's just the reverse of how it's always been done.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's been so clinical for so long, and it's kind of iconic now, you know.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_02: Like the shoot we were on, like the whole concept was just like us getting our hair done, us like at the salon, like with curlers in our hair and stuff like that.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_02: Because it's like we are those girls, like yes, we have a disability and we want things that are gonna make us feel cute and also help us, you know, it shouldn't be one or the other.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_01: 1000%.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_01: And what I was thinking when you said that is in my early work, like when I first started off, I would be so like self-conscious and like insecure about the fact that like I'm not a doctor and like I don't have any like health medicine background.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like, what on earth am I doing creating these medical device covers?
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_01: But then as I've grown up and as I've like done more work into my brand and stuff, I've realized I'm not a doctor, I'm not giving information about people's health, like doing surgery or like recommending medicines or anything.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_01: What I am doing is I'm tackling a whole different issue.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_01: And this issue is like making medical devices into cute accessories, making these accessories then into the fashion industry.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_01: And it's completely separate.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like what doctors and like the medical field has done is so incredible and so useful.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_01: And the people that even created these medical devices have they've they've eaten with that one, like they've done their stuff, it's functional and it does the job.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_01: But what my brand now does is take it to another level that's not been done before.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's like focusing on the aesthetic part of it and the cuteness and the implementing it into the fashion industry and into like social media and making an impact.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's completely different to what doctors and nurses do, but I think it's equally as important to like medical device users, but then also their mental health and the psychology behind the devices itself.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's like fun and it's girly and it's just like making cute shit, but it is equally as important.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_01: And I just tend to realize that.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no legit.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_02: Like obviously, like with wearing Prisa X, like you know, like I lost my hands when I was one.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_02: Where like it finally came to me getting princess eggs, I was like, oh yeah, no, obviously, yeah, it is useful having like two hands on the end of your arm, right?
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_02: Because before everything and everything was like together, multitasking was like impossible, you just can't do it.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_02: But at the same time, like I will preach about it till the day I die.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I genuinely think he like the mental impact of like having a hand on the end and like so many like little things that people don't even think about.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_02: Like, for example, like body language, like your body language when you walk into the room and when you're communicating, I'm pretty sure it makes up like 60 to 70 percent of your communication or something like that.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_02: And for me, growing up about hands, like I'm obviously I'm not doing all this, I'm not able to like express my point.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I wanted to always sort of just felt like ah, like a shell of you know, the conversations I want to have because I was kind of forced to be reserved, you know.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_02: I couldn't I I couldn't be expressing myself how everybody else would.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like get getting your nails done and stuff.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_02: I remember when we hit like when we hit like 13 at school and everyone pink dressed boards of all their nails, I would legit watch like nail videos just because that's what everybody was doing my age.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_02: But at the same time, I was like, Well, I can't contribute to this conversation much because I don't have nails.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know what I mean?
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: Sweet little it's really, it's really funny, but like show them your nails.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: Iconic.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_01: You're so young, also, and it's it's so important.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like, think back to when you were you're 19 now, right?
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_01: I'm 20 now.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_01: Oh when you were 20, like all the girls are doing it.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I even like what you're speaking about right now.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't even think about that.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you're so right, body language does take up life and like how they perceive you.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_02: Like, give me the little the pitch, the little rundown of by Destiny Pinto as a label and your sort of catalogue.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_02: Let's talk about that.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_01: I first started off with compression glove sets and ostomy bag covers.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_01: So I wear compression gloves for my arthritis, and then I started doing ostomy bag covers because my best friend Nicola got surgery to have an ostomy bag at the same time.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: So this kind of started because of my medical device, compression gloves, and her ostomy bag.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_01: So that was like my first two hero products that first started um things off with.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_01: And then I started doing like more bespoke design, so more conceptual designs.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_01: So I did a hearing amplifier cover, and I did this in Goa in India, and I did that into jewelry.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: I worked with my friend Anastasia, she does like bioplastic.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: So we did this cool, like, yeah, gold conceptual design with the hearing amplifier.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_01: I won the British Rogue and BMW Future Creators competition.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: So then I did a proper um hearing aid cover design into jewelry with them.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_01: That was also a conceptual design, so it's not a functional, functional commercial design that I'm able to sell, but it was like a one-off little bespoke design, which was super fun, and I still have the design to this day.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_01: I did some more conceptual designs of like walking sticks, and then I decided that I wanted to create a bag, and I wanted to create a shoulder bag, and I wanted to create a new product.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: I was I was itching for like creating something new and bringing something else to life, and that's when I decided to create a shoulder bag with accessible features built in.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_01: And then I started talking to loads of different people.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_01: I started talking to like wheelchair users and how the types of bags they wear.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: There was one girl on Instagram that I saw, Madison Lawson, and she wore bags on her wheelchair and she wore these little mini bags.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_01: We spoke um so long about the bag, the size, the types of areas that she'd wear the bag.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then I spoke to Alice Dyer, who is a model and she's a part-time wheelchair user, also.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_01: If she were to have a shoulder bag, how would she want to wear it?
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_01: I worked with my manufacturer also to see how we could do like adaptive straps.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_01: So I needed to see what adaptive straps my manufacturer would be able to create and what would actually work with this specific shoulder bag design.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_01: So that's when we decided to do hoops on the back of the bag, and then you can have like velcro straps that you can attach it onto the back of the wheelchair, the bottom of your wheelchair, the side of your wheelchair, like the wheelchair part of the bag was created.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_01: And then some other features also were like larger circle zips for hand dexterity issues, and then also I realized that with prosthetic arms, it's also easier to like hook onto prosthetic arms.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, way easier.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_02: Like it is weird, isn't it?
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_02: Though, like, you know, all these girls go and shop them for their bags, or guys, whoever, go and shop them for their bags, right?
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_02: There is a long list of requirements that these bags need to have.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_02: Like, my boyfriend had a nightmare for my birthday because he wanted to buy me a purse, but I was like, Well, it's gonna have this, this, this, this, this, this, this.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_02: It was like, for freak's sake, this is a nightmare.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_02: But your brand is sort of the hub where girls can go and they can get their like elephant bags that are functional.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_02: The bag that you gave me, the added some bag on the shoe, iconic.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_02: We love her.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, those like metal circles would make it so much easier for me to to open it, to close it, and it's just fab.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_02: It's just like that extra thought process.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think also because I was talking to someone recently and I showed them the bag, and she was like, Oh my god, there's so many features in this.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like, how do you think of all of this?
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_01: But like, it was basically reverse engineering.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, before the bag was even created, before the design was even sent to the manufacturer, it was me sitting down with like massive pen and the bag and like notes all over it of like, okay, so this feature would work for hand dexterity issues, this feature would work for the wheelchair, and then how would this link to that?
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: And then would if this works with my manufacturer, how will this work with the wheelchair users?
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: And it was just a lot of like back and forth and trying to figure it out.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_01: And I had multiple conversations with the wheelchair users of like, okay, so I spoke to my manufacturer and they can do this, but they can't do this.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_01: Would that work for you?
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like, okay, yeah, this works, but then I have to, and then it was like, okay, cool.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_01: And then with my hand dexterity, it was like um larger circle zips, magnetic closures, the detachable inner pouch to like help with like not rustling in and like just finding the pouch easily, the longer crossbody strap to like help with like weight distribution, so you're not like struggling to carry a shoulder bag, the wider strap, which also a lot of these things are like aesthetic reasons, also, because I love a wide shoulder strap.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like I have uh I have a Mugler bag which has like a wide strap, and I love it so much because it just looks great.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_01: And so chic, so chic.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: And then I realized I could do a wide strap, but it's also more comfortable because it just allows.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Allows you to carry it more comfortably as well.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_01: And then a lot of different bags also have a crossbody strap, but then to have it like optional where you can just take it off and like use it when you want.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: But then it also is a shoulder bag.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: That was very helpful to me.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_01: That was the Addison bag, which is my latest product.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_01: And then now I'm just coming out with like raw colourways of the bag, and then also working with my manufacturer and my current customers to see what functions work with them, what doesn't.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_01: So then the future production runs can include some better features.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_02: No, Emily Mes said, like the Addison bag.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_02: I'll I'll attach like all the little clips and content of it because she is the moment.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_02: She is so sad, she's so chic, she's so cute.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_02: And then she's also functional.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_02: And I love the fact that it's not just okay, I'm gonna chat somebody with a disability and then go off and make it.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_02: Like you were very much like all the way through the process.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_02: Does this work for you?
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_02: This is what we can do, this is what we can't do.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_02: Like, give me your feedback.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_02: And I feel like that is just something so many businesses can learn from.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_01: Even like post like now the bag is created and is out there, there's still conversations being had with the users, like with my customers, of like, okay, this is how the bag is, but how can we make it better?
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_01: And like it's still like a back and forth.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's not a perfect accessible bag.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's not the perfect solution to everything, but it's like a starting point.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_01: And it's getting better with what I can do and like what the capacity is.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_02: It's yeah, it's like a work of progress, just making things better and better and better.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_02: And as a creative person, a lovely creative person like you are, I was interested to know like what inspires you.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_02: Is it like, oh, I've seen this bag, I want to make it accessible.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_02: Is it like, oh, I've seen this disability, or I know somebody who struggles with this, let me try and make something like this that can be more functional for them.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_02: Like, where do you draw your inspiration for the next product from?
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_02: Because I feel like there's so much that we can do in the world to like make anything more accessible.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: I think firstly, for me, it comes from like a lot of different places, but I get so many comments and like so many messages and stuff of people asking for new products and asking for specific products and stuff.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: So that's always in the back of my mind of like when I think of new products, it's like, oh, I know that like these customers have asked for this and stuff like that.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_01: So that's all you're like a backlog.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like my brain is just never at right.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then I'll also see I love like people watching.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: So when I'm in public, I'm just looking at the types of bags and like the types of ways people are wearing them.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: Then when I was doing the hearing aid project, I was looking at hearing devices and like seeing the types of hearing aids people wear in public, the types of like earphones they wear, the jewelry they wear, same with like wheelchairs.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm constantly just seeing how people do things in public and then seeing what my customers want, the types of comments I want.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: And then I'll like take photos, I'll keep them in my notes.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_01: And then when I'm ready to have to create a new product, I kind of like take all of that information in at once.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I like have like reference photos, and I have customers that I know I could reach out to and like ask them what they want to see.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_01: That's one of my things, and then also my friends like my friends will have like the cutest product piece, bag, shoe, something that I'll like take photos of.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, can't can you just you're just that girl?
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_01: You're like, let me let me go like outfit of the day.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_01: Literally, because I'll see even like my friends' nails and stuff.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'm constantly taking photos of my friends' nails to like then get those nails because I'm like, this is so cute.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_01: But then even with like bags and other products and stuff, I have so many photos that I use for inspiration and like mood boards, so then I can take, oh, I love the shape of this, then I love how this feature can be used for this and that strap and how wide it is or how thin it is, and that's kind of my process.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, that's cool.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_02: I'm I'm very just inspired by absolutely everything.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I feel like my camera roll is just an absolute die.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, it makes sense to me though, it makes sense to me.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, camera roll, and then putting them into like the specific notes app that I use.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_02: I've got more organized than me, I'll be real.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: I'm quite I'm quite type A, but I'm really I'm I'm the opposite.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: I realized this also, which I I was wondering your opinion on this as well.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: I was speaking to someone that recently had a health scare, like a health condition, and he was like, before that, I was very much like, don't really think about anything, just go into situations and do it.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_01: But then ever since I have my health scare and my health condition, he's become more like stops, plans his day, takes into account all the stops that he has to make, has to take his stuff that he needs for the day.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_01: And then I'm like, I went through the exact same thing when like when I got my arthritis diagnosis and I got my pains and stuff.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_01: I had to become a type A person where I had to plan every single thing.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I can't leave my house without planning.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, my medication, this is where I'll stop for rest, and then this is what I'll take with me, or this is what I'm wearing.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: This is the bag I'm carrying.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, so true.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_02: Like it takes so much more planning, and I feel like you're right.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I you have to be organized.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_02: Comes to like logistics and things.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_02: I literally call myself logistically challenged because I think it just takes so much brain power working around getting from A to B as somebody with a disability, like a million percent.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_02: Like, even like I if I'm going to work, I'll take my backpack because it's a better bag to carry to like you know have my laptop in the back, easier weight distribution and things like that.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_02: But if I'm going to the grocery shop and I'm gonna like put things in my bag because I don't want to buy a plastic bag for 30p, I'm taking my big ass freaking handbag because the backpack's kind of like flimsy and like squishable, whereas I've got this big handbag which is stable.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_02: So where I have no hands, right?
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_02: If I'm like, this is why plastic bags at the grocery store scare me.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_02: It is like these little things that people are like, what the hell?
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_02: But you think about it.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I am terrified in the grocery shop if I have to get a plastic bag because they're flimsy as heck, like they don't stand up on their own.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_02: So when it comes to like packing the bag, you've got to like hold the bag up and put all your stuff like into the bag like this.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_02: Whereas for me, I'm like kind of pick up the object, kind of like shoving it into the bag, which is just folding in on itself, and it's just like it's a freaking nice.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_02: You know, and it's just kind of funny that we're talking about a bag again because you're like the the accessible bag queen, but like I'm obsessed with this massive handbag I have because it's flimsy enough that it's not like rock solid and hurts to carry around, but it also won't fold in on itself, like it can stand up.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like all these little characteristics.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_02: Interesting.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_02: That's just one thing.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_02: Like, obviously, like with mobility, I had an operation and like now I have a peg leg.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_02: It's a peg leg, sorry.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_02: It just doesn't bend.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, well, it bends 35 degrees.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_02: It's not actually that's not a clinical term.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I call, you know, like a pirate who wouldn't like that can't be.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, it's not interesting.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_02: But it's like again, back to actually bags.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_02: I'm actually impressed that Alice keeps going back to bags, but I'm getting a train later today, right?
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm gonna be away for a while.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_02: I want to take a suitcase.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_02: But if there's any if there's any sort of accessibility issues at those train stations, I cannot take the suitcase because if I'm carrying the suitcase and going down the stairs doing a little skippy sort of pop thing that I have to do because my leg doesn't bend, it's impossible.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_02: Like I will fall and break my neck, you know?
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like oh my god.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_02: If the train station, if I chose that today and it wasn't accessible, then I would be lugging around my big freaking like duffel duffle bag, is that what you call them?
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I would I would have to take that.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, it's so much more useful to have your bag on wheels.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_02: But if is like the the stairs are the only option, then I've gotta sacrifice that and I'm gonna take the duffel bag because Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_01: Because I can carry that at least, you know.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_01: So I have I have many thoughts on that because it all ties it's all related.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's like really, really related.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_01: Because what I'm thinking immediately when you said that is with the Addison bag, I designed it for wheelchair users.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: So when I was doing a lot of my shoots in London and stuff like that, I would take the train with my friend Poppy, and she uses a wheelchair.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: So we take the train together and she'd tell me all the accessibility stuff.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_01: She has to call ahead for assistance, stuff like that.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_01: She'd get this train station, get the lift.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_01: And if the lift doesn't work, she's a gym gal.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_01: So she literally was able to like put her wheelchair on the escalator once and like get up there.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: But that really like got into my brain about like, oh, this is how like accessibility works with like wheelchairs and stuff like that.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: And then cut to a few months later when I started doing the Addison bag attached to baby strollers.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_01: So I literally bought a baby stroller from like a book marketplace or something.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_01: And I literally was taking the stroller again from where I live to London.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_01: So it was a lot of like trains, tubes, stuff like that.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_01: And I noticed the exact same thing where it's like the same thing that like scared Poppy of like, not scared, but like gave her like a bit of like of like there not being lifts and like having to take the escalator and stuff.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_01: I was alone with my big ass stroller and there wasn't lifts in this train station where it said it would be, and there was only like escalators or like steps.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_01: And I remember like asking the train conductor, I was like, hey, like, is there like a lift anywhere?
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_01: And he's like, Oh, there's just a little short step there, like there's a few steps there.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_01: Just ask someone to help you.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Okay.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I went with my stroller.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_01: I went with my stroller and I was just standing around looking.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_01: But like it's London, and like not everyone is able to like help you, like not everyone wants to help you.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_01: So I was she stood there, like, like kind of anxious because I get really anxious sometimes.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_01: But I was like, okay, no one's helping me.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: So I went back to the train conductor and I was like, no one's helping me.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_01: Can you please help me?
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_01: It was only like three steps, but like it was with a big pram, and it's like, I can't do it.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, can you help me?
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_01: And he was like, Oh, I've got a really bad back, I can't help you.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_01: Just take this lift to go up there, and there's another lift that will take you up there.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, why didn't you tell me that in the first place?
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_01: And like, why are you acting like, oh, just a couple of steps, it's literally completely fine.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, no, your job is to help you have a more accessible thing.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_01: And if you had just told me from the start when I asked you, oh, there's a lift right there, it would have made everyone's life so much easier.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_01: I wouldn't have felt anxious, I wouldn't have had to like beg you to help me because it's like you need to give people their independence.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I know it's completely different.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_02: I don't even have a baby in that stroller, but it's like No, but like that's so true though, and like that was like, you know, your I guess it's a good experiment for you.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I always say, like, if anybody went out and like lived like that for a day, they would realize and accessibility would come about so quick because it's ridiculous.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_02: Like yeah, the way that we literally was a lift as well, and he just didn't tell you about it.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_01: He was like just what because in his head it's it's a couple of steps like why would you but but it's he's never had a baby stroller that he needs to take around the place, he's never been in a wheelchair, and also it's the same thing with suitcases because with a suitcase, you're also carrying this massive thing, and then if you're disabled, if you have a chronic illness, if you're just not a strong person, it's the same accessibility issues that you have to take.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_01: So it comes back to the thing of like by creating accessibility for disabled people, you're making the world so much easier for everyone.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's probably why the accessibility market is billions at this point, because you're actually you're you're just thinking about disabled people and you think it's such a niche, but then when you take into consideration the amount of different people with accessibility needs who aren't even told, but they still have accessibility needs, that's where that's when you see the the numbers and like the reach of it, which is quite interesting.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_02: Also, the biggest minority you can join at any time, by the way.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_02: Like I should have thought about this my whole life.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_02: I have my whole life thinking about this, but I'm only concerned now.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and even like even like if you think, okay, fine, when I grow old, it's gonna be ages away, like I'm not gonna be disabled for a long time.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_01: But then think about if you're a woman and you want to have kids.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's that's not too far away.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_01: And then when you have kids, you're going through a traumatic birth where like you are postpartum and you're basically very weak, very chronically ill, very disabled essentially.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: And you also have this massive mobility device, which is a pram, and you have this child that is also just not able to do anything.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like there's so many things that are gonna come in your life.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, bro, by that time, if I want to have kids in the next five years, I'm gonna have to do so much work to make this place more accessible because otherwise, I don't know how I'm gonna manage.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like, and then you need to think about other people as well.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's really interesting, but that's just a food for thought.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_02: It makes me think about like the Met Gala, who obviously had its first, like, you know, wheelchair user attend in Ariana to the um this year, and it's like the Met Gala is iconic for its steps, right?
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_02: So that's probably a thing where it was like, well, it's it's it's steps.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_02: Like we all know the Met Gala is steps, but it just took a little bit of consideration to be like, hmm, what can we do to the steps to make them accessible and invite more people who like represent more hum more of the human race?
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_02: I know let's make a rant.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_02: Bang, now there's a rant.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_01: That was a moment also because yeah, the Metgala is such a pivotal, iconic moment in fashion.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_01: And it's kind of crazy to think that 2026 is it's like now is when they first decided to bring disabled.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_02: It's really really baffling.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_02: Like it genuinely it speaks to me and it probably speaks to you the same way because we have our disability, but it speaks to me the same way.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_02: Like, do you expect it to be ages ago that women got so many rights?
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_02: But like, you know, it actually wasn't that long ago.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_02: And to anybody hearing that, it's like that's a bombshow.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_02: What do you mean we only got that in like the 1970s?
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I mean, but it genuinely it has that same level of shock to me.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_02: Cause I'm just like, again, it's just a you know, another part of the human race who aren't accommodated for when they they they exist, you know, that they're not just gonna not be disabled, they're not gonna just figure this out the way that you want them to.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_02: So you have to make changes.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like for you, for example, like you're disabled and you're a woman.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_01: So there's so many intersections with that where it's like I saw this reel of like this neurosurgeon where she was intentionally not shaving her patient's hair and like being able to like do brain surgery without shaving their hair, and like realizing the importance of that and like how much that can impact her patients, and it takes like a woman to be in that position to then be like we can take it one step further and we can help these patients.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_02: No, a million percent.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_02: It's just like introducing that new perspective and changing the way that people have just been like stagnant in the way they've been doing things for like so so long.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_02: It's really exciting to see those changes happening.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_02: And I like I said, I think it should have happened ages ago.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_02: But you know, I'll be grateful.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_02: I'll be grateful regardless.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_02: I would love to know this is like a fun little design challenge for you, so no pressure.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_02: But when it comes to like say designing for somebody who wore prosthetics, like that was the disability that we're targeting.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_02: What sort of features immediately come to mind or characteristics of like a bag, say, or I don't know, any sort of accessory that you're like, okay, with that person in mind, here are some features that I tried to implement.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_01: That's so interesting.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_01: When I saw this question, also I was like, I was a bit stuck because I didn't.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_01: I I would personally think off like like Bernadette does with rap aesthetics of like adding like a cool cover and stuff like that, where you can like change it and like add something cool.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um, silver or gold is like iconic, or like even having things that go with the outfits that you're wearing, it's a it's a weak answer.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_01: I don't have crazy thoughts of it yet.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_02: It is yet though, because it's like all it takes is having a conversation with somebody.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I have so many insights about my experience with accessories that I'm like, oh my god, I'd love that.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_01: What accessories would you add to your prosthetic arms?
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_02: For a start, like the thing that I love was like the nails.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_02: Like being able to go get my nails was like a super cool thing.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_02: Like other like accessories like outside of the arms, well, I guess I guess a bracelets sort of counts as well.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_02: But I really struggle with like necklaces and bracelets, which have like a clasp.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_02: If I've got a necklace on, you best bet that's been on my neck for like six months.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_02: And it's not them up because I don't know.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, like you I can't detach a clasp.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_02: Accessible jewelry would be something I would be like, yes, please, because I love to accept rise of jewelry.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_02: Like I think it looks so cute, but I don't have a jewelry collection myself because of that.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_02: And again, what I was saying with like the bags, basically wearing prosthetics wherever I am, like it's kind of become a signature look to have a tote bag because I always have a tote bag which I can carry the arms in.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_02: I am always with a bag because if I get tired of the arms and I want to take them off, I want to put them somewhere.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like I will never actually never be seen without a bag, just in case I want to take them off, you know.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_02: I think with the Addison bag where it has like the bigger hoops, obviously that was really a brilliant feature because that makes it easier, maybe even bigger, things like that, you know.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, 100%.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for me also, like I can't go anywhere without my bag because I wouldn't leave my house without my painkillers, like my iberrofen.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_01: If I would never just in case because I've been places where I don't have it, and I'm like, oh my god, and then all the shops are closed and stuff, and I'm like, fuck, I'm just in pain now.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I wouldn't leave without my iberrofen, my compression gloves in my bag, like always there.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um, magnesium spray off like in case I'm getting aches and pains.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like even for me, like a bag is so important, and I need to like always keep my stuff in, and like for you, a tote bag, and with the jewelry also the magnetic I've seen some where it's like magnetic closures where you just like you know, I have seen it as well, but and I still sort of think it would be difficult to like clasp it at the back of my neck.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_02: You know what?
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_02: Like genuinely in a fantastical, like a whimsical ass world, it would be so sick to be able to like clasp it like magnetic clasp, and I just like I can do it like in my hand, like here in front of my face, you know, clasp it like that.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_02: And then if metal, if metal or silver could stretch, and I could like I have the necklace, it's like round in the circle, but then I can like stretch it over my head, so it's already clasped, you know.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_02: Does that make sense?
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_02: Like kind of as if it's a scarf, like I could just do this and then it's on.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_01: So interesting.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like you could make that.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like with what I was thinking is you know that like string which like is on bracelets that you can stretch, yeah.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like the metal or the gold can be kind of like beads on it.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_01: That's so true.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_01: When you just put it together, it will make a perfectly neat necklace.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_01: That'd be cute.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_02: Brilliant idea.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_02: That would be it, yeah.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_02: Cause like in my head, I'm like, stretchy silver, how are we gonna do that?
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, you can just put like a stretchy fabric in the middle, yeah.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_02: Flash it, and then like stretch it over.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you go.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_02: Let's we just design a product, let's go.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_01: Prosthetic arm friendly, and it's like you wouldn't even think that it's designed for people with prosthetic arms, but it's obviously the origin story is someone with prosthetic arms who thought of this problem.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_01: And there's so many other women that probably are fucking sick and tired of like doing shit like that.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, how fun, how fun, how destiny?
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_02: I'm a big fan of your work and what you're doing.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_02: You're definitely one to watch within you know your your industry, like you've been reached in the world, you've been on days, you're freaking everywhere.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_02: And I want to know, like, what's your next industry?
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_01: Kind of working on what I already have, and like I said, just product development of like taking the Addison back and making her better, but also something's coming, you know.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_01: Hopefully it'll be good.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_02: Definitely, it's been so fun catching up and chants.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_02: You like I said, you're a trailblazer in this industry.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_02: I'm obsessed with everything that you do.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_02: I can't wait to see the next thing.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_02: And so, anybody who wants to follow your journey or maybe look into getting one of your devices for themselves, where can we find you?
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: Buy Destiny Pinto on all my social media.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_01: And if you want to get my products like the Addison bag or compression gloves off sweet bags, it's by destinypinto.com.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, thank you so much, Destiny.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you with everything, and yeah, maybe we'll get some cool accessible accessory in the future.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_02: Soon, soon.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, G, she is just so cool.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_02: I can't believe like she started this movement and she's so young.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_02: We're finally able to come together with these devices that actually fit them and make them feel good.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like that's so important.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_02: Anyhow, thank you so much for listening to this episode of Tilly Talks Tech.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_02: I really do hope you enjoyed it.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_02: I love Destiny, she's a scene.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_02: You must follow up on everything and stay up today.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_02: If you did enjoy this episode, please make sure to like, comment, subscribe, share with a friend, let me know how to get on, and I will see you.