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DEATH BY MERCEDES: $$$ Socialite Mows Down Brothers, Wins Court Victory · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Rebecca Grossman, a multi millionaire socialite,
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Speaker 1: runs down two little boys in front of their screaming mother,
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Speaker 1: who managed to save the other children in the last hours.
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Speaker 1: Rebecca Grossman has a courtroom victory. I Nancy Grace, this
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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Wealthy
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Speaker 1: multimillionaire socialite Rebecca Grossman fatally mows down two little boys
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Speaker 1: crossing a Westlake Village street in the crosswalk, gets a
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Speaker 1: courtroom victory. The judge, in the Judge's wisdom denies a
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Speaker 1: motion by the little boy's family for an expedited trial
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Speaker 1: on wrongful death and negligence. What happened the day these
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Speaker 1: beautiful angels were mowed down out taking a walk with
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Speaker 1: their family. Mark and Jacob is Scander, just eleven and eight,
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Speaker 1: were with their family that September day, mowed down and
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Speaker 1: killed by a Mercedes speeding by driven by Rebecca Grossman,
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Speaker 1: the chairwoman of the Grossman Burn Foundation. What happened? There's
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Speaker 1: so many questions. Let's start it off.
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Speaker 2: Listen.
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Speaker 3: Just after seven pm on a September evening, Jacob and
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Speaker 3: Mark Iskander, their siblings and parents, go for an evening
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Speaker 3: stroll to a nearby lake.
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Speaker 1: The boys enjoy roller bleeding and skateboarding.
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Speaker 3: The six member family is heading home, crossing in a
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Speaker 3: crosswalk at a three way intersection when mother Nancy heard
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Speaker 3: a speeding car barreling their way. The mom says her
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Speaker 3: husband and daughter were further away from the street. She
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Speaker 3: tries to signal to the two SUVs heading their way
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Speaker 3: to slow down. She tried to pull the children back,
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Speaker 3: only managing to grab one of them, a five year old,
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Speaker 3: and dive out of the way. Jacob and Mark, who
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Speaker 3: are farther out in the crosswalk, are hit. Mark Iskinder
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Speaker 3: dies at the scene. Jacob dies later at the hospital.
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Speaker 3: According to police, Mark was thrown two hundred and fifty
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Speaker 3: four feet.
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Speaker 1: Two one hundred and fifty four feet. Can you imagine
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Speaker 1: that coming up on the scene and seeing a little helmet,
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Speaker 1: a childs scooter and crime scene tape with me an
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Speaker 1: all star panel to break it down and put it
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Speaker 1: back together again. First of all, founder of Class Kids Foundation,
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Speaker 1: Mark class You can find him at class Kids dot org.
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Speaker 1: And that's with a K. Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina trial lawyer.
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Speaker 1: You can find her at Ncdomestic Law dot com. Renowned
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Speaker 1: psychiatrist joining us out of Atlanta. Doctor Angela Arnold at
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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold MD dot com, Founder director of the Okay
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Speaker 1: Research Institute, Former president of mad Georgia Mothers Against Drunk Driving.
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCullum, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood
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Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and star of a new
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Speaker 1: series on the True Crime Network, Poisonous Liaisons. Joseph Scott Morgan.
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Speaker 1: But first to the lead news anchor, Wdbo Ray Caputo,
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Speaker 1: Ray Caputo. Two brothers dead and one fell swoop, one
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Speaker 1: just nine years old, the other just eleven. What happened?
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Speaker 4: Well, Nancy, this was a really hot day that happened
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Speaker 4: in the West. Wake village to California is one an
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Speaker 4: hour west LA, depending on the traffic. And it's so
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Speaker 4: hot day and the family goes out Jacobs and they're
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Speaker 4: eight eleven. They're with their mom and their dad and
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Speaker 4: two other siblings and they're simply crossing the street there.
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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, just let me understand something. It's okay.
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Speaker 1: They're with their whole family. It's not like the children
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Speaker 1: we're in the middle of the road riding their scooters.
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Speaker 1: They're in a crosswalk with their family. Correct, Yes, a
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Speaker 1: little march crosswalk. You know, I'm gonna understand where this
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Speaker 1: is Mark Class, founder of Class Kids Foundation. Where is
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Speaker 1: Westlake Village? Where is that in California?
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Speaker 5: Well, it's several hundred miles from where I am, but
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Speaker 5: I've been through West Lake and it's a suburb of
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Speaker 5: Los Angeles.
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Speaker 1: You know, when you say a suburb of LA, having
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Speaker 1: lived out in LA during Dancing with the Stars, that
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Speaker 1: could mean anything. I mean, it could be a beach area,
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Speaker 1: it could be a rural area, it could be farming
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Speaker 1: land because California is so diverse. But a good hour
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Speaker 1: outside of LA, in my mind, means suburbs. People that
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Speaker 1: will drive an hour to get to work in LA
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Speaker 1: through that god awful traffic. So we're talking about a
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Speaker 1: suburb of LA which is full of beautiful country called
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Speaker 1: Westlake Village. We're talking about Mark and Jacob and they're
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Speaker 1: nine and eleven years old, and they're with their entire family,
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Speaker 1: including mommy and daddy. So back to UI computer. I
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Speaker 1: think I heard you say they were in a crosswalk. Correct, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it was a crosswalk.
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Speaker 4: Now, this is a suburb, so it wasn't a heavily
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Speaker 4: congested area. And when you think of lot downtown Los Angeles,
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Speaker 4: it's a concrete jungle.
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Speaker 6: It wasn't like this.
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Speaker 4: There wasn't a lot of hells though, and it was residential,
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Speaker 4: and they weren't across what they're doing what a lot
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Speaker 4: of families do on a Tuesday night when it's hot
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Speaker 4: out and you want to get a little extra suns.
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Speaker 1: You know, I take Lucy and John David, we get
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Speaker 1: the dog, fat Boy, and we walk all the time,
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Speaker 1: practically every day, rain or shine, and it's usually about
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Speaker 1: that time when they're done with school and I'm through
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Speaker 1: with We're and everything is calming down from all the
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Speaker 1: craziness during the day, and I'm just imagining this family.
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Speaker 1: You know, Raycipedo, you said the whole family was there.
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Speaker 1: How many of them were there?
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Speaker 4: Well, there was at least two siblings that I wanted.
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Speaker 4: One of them was in a stroller. So there was
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Speaker 4: the mom and the dad, and you can imagine that
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Speaker 4: that you the child in the streamers getting the most attention.
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Speaker 5: They're getting pushed.
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Speaker 4: Around, but you know, everybody was there. Mom and dad
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Speaker 4: were with the kids in and it was just there.
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Speaker 4: They could have got six of them, including the boys.
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Speaker 1: The whole family together. You know, when I go with
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Speaker 1: the whole family together somewhere, I feel more safe because
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Speaker 1: we're all there together. I've got the children with me,
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Speaker 1: my husband's there. Were all focused on keeping the twins
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Speaker 1: safe at all times. Take a listen to Chris Holmstrom
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Speaker 1: at k C A L.
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Speaker 7: Nine.
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Speaker 1: It was just before dark.
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Speaker 8: A family of six was walking across this crosswalk when
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Speaker 8: tragedy struck. Captain Salvador Basera with the La County Sheriff's
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Speaker 8: Department describes what happened next.
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Speaker 9: The family were in a marked a crosswalk, clearly marked.
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Speaker 9: As she realized there were two cars speeding her way,
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Speaker 9: she was able to reach out and grab one of
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Speaker 9: her children off of a razor scooter, pulled the child
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Speaker 9: back with the stroller, but another child and a stroller
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Speaker 9: as the car entered the intersection and hit the other
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Speaker 9: two boys.
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Speaker 1: There's six people, including two adults and a stroller. How
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Speaker 1: could you not see that it wasn't even dark yet?
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Speaker 1: Uh to Ray Capudo? Did the two boys nine and
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Speaker 1: eleven die right there on the scene where they raced
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Speaker 1: to the hospital. What happened?
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Speaker 5: Oh, it's just terrible. Nancy Well.
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Speaker 4: One of the boys died at the scene. He was
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Speaker 4: carried on the hood of the car for one hundred
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Speaker 4: feet and then the car stopped and the little boy
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Speaker 4: flew off and then he was he was ran over the.
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Speaker 1: Other Okay, wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait,
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Speaker 1: slow down, what did you just say.
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Speaker 4: Unfortunately, the woman hit the little by little boy can
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Speaker 4: carried him one hundred feet and then she flew off
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Speaker 4: the car and she ran him over.
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Speaker 1: Wait wait wait right there, so it's not dark yet.
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Speaker 1: They're in a crosswalk. There are six people, including two
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Speaker 1: adults and a stroller. That accounts for three people, so
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Speaker 1: there were three others. That is a group. How can
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Speaker 1: you miss a group of people? Just let's just pretend
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Speaker 1: that the driver come over a hill and hit them,
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Speaker 1: which I don't believe is the case because under the
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Speaker 1: rules of the road, just like where you put a
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Speaker 1: double line, you're not supposed to cross on a double
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Speaker 1: line or pass anybody. You wouldn't put a crosswalk right
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Speaker 1: there as coming up over hill because it's too dangerous.
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Speaker 1: So as if you couldn't see them a mile away.
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Speaker 1: We learn from witnesses that one of these two little
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Speaker 1: boys was carried on the hood of the car for
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Speaker 1: one hundred feet. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace in the
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Speaker 1: Last Days, wealthy socialite Rebecca Grossman accused of having a
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Speaker 1: boozy lunch then basically drag racing in a neighborhood mowing
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Speaker 1: down two little boys, gets a courtroom victory, the judge
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Speaker 1: ruling the little boy's families cannot have an expedited trial
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Speaker 1: on negligence and wrongful death. What happened September twenty nine.
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Speaker 1: I want to go back to you, Ray Coputo. This
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Speaker 1: was in a crosswalk, and they have engineers looking at
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Speaker 1: where a crosswalk should be, where there should be a
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Speaker 1: double line, where you should put a red light or
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Speaker 1: a stop sign or a flashing yellow light for reasons,
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Speaker 1: because that fits with a topography. I just don't believe
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Speaker 1: that a crosswalk was You mentioned hills. That's where I'm
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Speaker 1: getting this from you, Raki Pudo. I just don't believe
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Speaker 1: a crosswalk was right at the top of the hill.
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Speaker 4: Well, there was a crosswalks. You imagine, imagine a team
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Speaker 4: and there's a road that's coming down at hill, very
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Speaker 4: hilly road coming down, and then there's a crosswalk. So
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Speaker 4: my assumption is is that you know that might have
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Speaker 4: played into it. It says that she was on this road,
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Speaker 4: and I believe that she may have taken a turn
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Speaker 4: where there was a stop sign and just comes ripping
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Speaker 4: through it because she was going really fast. And I've
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Speaker 4: seen this on a map, But I can't understand how
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Speaker 4: someone who was intoxicated just out of their mind not
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Speaker 4: paying attention to the room.
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Speaker 1: If you're coming down a road, like you're saying, there's
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Speaker 1: a heel coming down, you can see down. It's not
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Speaker 1: as if she was coming up a heel and then
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Speaker 1: suddenly you're in a crosswalk and there are people in
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Speaker 1: the middle of it. Cheryl McCollum, you're the former president
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Speaker 1: of Mothers Against Driving Georgia.
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Speaker 6: Help me out here, Nancy. There were so many things
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Speaker 6: this woman did wrong before that accident.
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Speaker 1: I'm just talking right now about the crosswalk. Crosswalks are
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Speaker 1: there in that spot for a reason so you can see.
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Speaker 6: It correct, but not somebody that's drunk. It could very
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Speaker 6: well be she was fiddling with the radio. It could
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Speaker 6: be that she was going through her purse.
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Speaker 1: Okay, speaking of that, take a listen to anchor Suzanne
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Speaker 1: Marquez with Tina Pattel CBS LA. We have more breaking news.
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Speaker 8: A driver has been arrested after a crash last night
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Speaker 8: in Westlake Village that killed two children. CBS two is
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Speaker 8: Tina Patel is live with the latest on this investigation.
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Speaker 8: It's heartbreaking developments this morning, Tina.
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Speaker 1: It really is.
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Speaker 10: One boy died here at the scene. The other one
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Speaker 10: was taken to the hospital and we just learned that
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Speaker 10: he also passed away. Now, the Sheriff's department is not
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Speaker 10: releasing the ages of those boys, are saying whether they
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Speaker 10: are related. But you can see the news of the
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Speaker 10: tragic death has hit this community. Many are coming now
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Speaker 10: to leave flowers.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they weren't releasing a lot of information, and
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Speaker 1: now we know why. Take a listen to Mary Beth
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Speaker 1: McDade KTLA five.
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Speaker 11: Grossman, who's married to a prominent plastic surgeon, Peter Grossman,
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Speaker 11: reportedly hit one boy who rolled up.
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Speaker 1: Onto her hood.
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Speaker 11: She reportedly slammed on her bricks so he'd roll off,
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Speaker 11: and then she ran them over. Deputies reportedly caught up
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Speaker 11: with Grossman about a quarter mile away in her white Mercedes,
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Speaker 11: which at front end damage, and arrested her.
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Speaker 9: Rebecca Grossman was arrested for hiclo. She's being charge of
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Speaker 9: two counts of vehicular manslaughter and was arrested for duy.
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Speaker 11: The Scanders are well known in their Westlake village and
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Speaker 11: church communities.
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Speaker 1: So Rebecca Grossman was driving that white Mercedes married to
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Speaker 1: a prominent plastic surgeon, Peter Grossman now Cheryl McCollum, former
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Speaker 1: director of mad m ADD Mothers Against Drunk Driving Georgia.
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Speaker 1: Did you hear that that reportedly hit one boy and
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Speaker 1: he flew up onto her hood. She kept going about
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Speaker 1: one hundred feet and slammed on brakes so the boy
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Speaker 1: would roll off, then ran over him and did not stop.
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Speaker 1: She kept going. Did you get that in the news
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Speaker 1: report from KTLA five? Think about that names The cops
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Speaker 1: didn't find her for a quarter of a mile.
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Speaker 6: But Nancy, think about the fact that she's already hurt
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Speaker 6: him severely by running over him and killing his brother.
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Speaker 6: She made the choice of getting that child off the
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Speaker 6: hood of her car and ran over him in order
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Speaker 6: to flee and get away. She made the conscious choice
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Speaker 6: to do more damage to that baby than to stop
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Speaker 6: and rendering.
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Speaker 1: Joining me right now, I want to go straight out
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Speaker 1: to doctor Angela Arnold, psychiatrist at Angela Arnold MD dot com.
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Speaker 1: What in the world would make you keep going after
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Speaker 1: you hit a child? It reminds me of a case
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Speaker 1: I covered on Court TV a while back, and the
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Speaker 1: defendant's name was Chante Mallard. She hit a man in
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Speaker 1: a street, then with him on the hood, stuck on
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Speaker 1: the hood, she drives all the way to her home,
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Speaker 1: pulls her car into the garage, closes the garage, and
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Speaker 1: leaves him on the windshield to die. He could have
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Speaker 1: been saved in the time. She sat in there going wow,
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Speaker 1: Am I going to get in trouble for this? She
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Speaker 1: left the guy impaled on the hood while he died.
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Speaker 1: Here you've got this woman, according to eyewitnesses, carried the
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Speaker 1: little boy on the hood of the car one hundred feet,
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Speaker 1: slammed on brakes, the boy fell off, then she ran
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Speaker 1: over him.
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Speaker 12: So it's such a horrific act, Nancy, that most of
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Speaker 12: us cannot understand. But to me, it speaks to something
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Speaker 12: deeper that is wrong with this woman. On top of
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Speaker 12: her alcohol addiction.
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Speaker 1: Apparently, well, let's talk about that for a moment. I
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Speaker 1: want to find out from you, Ray Computo WDBO, why
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Speaker 1: alcohol is being thrown around. How come we don't think
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Speaker 1: she was just let's just say, street racing or joy
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Speaker 1: riding or in a hurry. How did alcohol get into
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Speaker 1: the mix?
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Speaker 5: Well, that's what the deputy said. What they found her
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Speaker 5: about a mile down the Roadance.
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Speaker 4: This is a scary car. We see this a lot
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Speaker 4: with people who have money. They know what happens when
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Speaker 4: things go sideways. If you hit somebody and you're drinking,
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Speaker 4: the best thing to do is get the heck away
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Speaker 4: from the scene, apparently, and not be seen until you're
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Speaker 4: sober up. This woman's car breaks down a mile away,
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Speaker 4: and that's when she's busted. If she would have got away,
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Speaker 4: I would almost guarantee that they'd be mounting a defense
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Speaker 4: of I wasn't drinking.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 4: Also, you mentioned street racing. She was apparently street racing too.
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Speaker 4: She was traveling at a high rate of speed, and
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Speaker 4: she was drinking. I mean, what a host of factors.
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Speaker 4: And you wonder why something went wrong.
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Speaker 1: Here, we'll tell you how I learned that Dui driving
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Speaker 1: under the influence of alcohol or drugs was part of this.
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Speaker 1: Because she is renowned, prominent member of the community, husband
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Speaker 1: is a high profile plastic surgeon. She was arrested on
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Speaker 1: suspicion of manslaughter and DUI after smashing her speaking Mercedes
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Speaker 1: into brothers Mark and Jacob eleven and nine, Westlake Village.
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Speaker 1: She only stopped a mile and a half away when
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Speaker 1: her engine cut out. Cheryl McCollum, former director of Mad
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Speaker 1: Mother's Against Drunk Driving Georgia. She didn't pull over and
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Speaker 1: call police. She was only stopped because of car trouble.
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Speaker 6: She did nothing to help this family. She did nothing
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Speaker 6: to help the two little boys. She did nothing to
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Speaker 6: render aid, help it anyway. She didn't even go to
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Speaker 6: a paypon and call NOW one one anonymously to get help.
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Speaker 3: There.
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Speaker 1: You know, Cheryl, suffering the sudden and criminal death of
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Speaker 1: somebody you love sticks with you forever, as you all know,
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Speaker 1: having dealt with so many crime victims. But this mother
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Speaker 1: and father were right there. One son died on the scene,
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Speaker 1: Cheryl and the car kept going.
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Speaker 6: That must be like to them, I mean the Huggies
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Speaker 6: to rate BMX and I can play right now in
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Speaker 6: my head the worst rent he ever had. And he
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Speaker 6: was fine. But as a mother, you just, you know,
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Speaker 6: play it over and over and over what they must
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Speaker 6: be living with watching their two children move down, one
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Speaker 6: killed at the scene, one you have hoped for for
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Speaker 6: a moment, and then that snatched from you too, because
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Speaker 6: this woman decides she wants to drink in street race.
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Speaker 6: You're not from a seventeen year old kid that makes
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Speaker 6: a stupid decision.
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Speaker 1: Believe it or not. Wealthy socialite Rebecca Grossman, accused suspect
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Speaker 1: number one in mowing down two little boys out walking
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Speaker 1: with their family, gets the courtroom victory. But what happened
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Speaker 1: when the boys lost their lives? According to police, this woman,
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Speaker 1: Rebecca Grossman, prominent in her community and wealthy, not only
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Speaker 1: mowed the two little boys down in front of mom
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Speaker 1: and dad, but kept going. She was charged with suspicion
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Speaker 1: of voluntary manslaughter and DUI. I want you to take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut number twelve. Now you may
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Speaker 1: recognize some of these voices. This is a montage of
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Speaker 1: all the coverage about how fantastic this woman and her
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Speaker 1: husband were.
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Speaker 13: So many of us at ABC News know about the
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Speaker 13: work that the Grossman Burn Foundation has done to provide
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Speaker 13: so much care, new life for women, children, people around
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Speaker 13: the United States and the world in need of.
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Speaker 1: That urgent medical care.
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Speaker 2: I just wanted to take a moment of your time
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Speaker 2: this evening to say a few words about the Grossman
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Speaker 2: Burne Foundation. This extraordinary organization is making a huge difference
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Speaker 2: around the world.
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Speaker 13: Another miracle at the gross Burn Center here in Southern
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Speaker 13: Calumnia and Australia.
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Speaker 5: The Grossman Burne Foundation has launched a campaign to stop
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Speaker 5: the violence carried out against women around the world.
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Speaker 8: A local oscar winning special effects artists has become a
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Speaker 8: hero to a woman on the other side of the globe,
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Speaker 8: a woman whose face was destroyed by her own husband.
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Speaker 7: Rebecca Grossman of the Grossman Burne Foundation found out about Eustonce.
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Speaker 7: Rebecca takes the prosthetics, travels to Indonesia and delivers them
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Speaker 7: to Houston's in person. It's a day Eustonce never thought
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Speaker 7: would come. Finally she gets the first sign of hope
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Speaker 7: that she'll feel complete again.
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Speaker 1: You're hearing so much about the Berne Foundation. Remember, this
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Speaker 1: woman's husband is a prominent plastic surgeon, so they're well
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Speaker 1: known and wealthy in that community. I know that the husband,
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Speaker 1: who is, as I said, a wealthy and prominent plastic surgeon,
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Speaker 1: had been working with the Burn Foundation. But what about
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Speaker 1: the wife Rebecca Grossman, and what about that particular day
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Speaker 1: that these two little boys were mowed down? Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to Tina Patel's CBS LA.
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Speaker 10: Investigators arrested a fifty seven year old driver and charge
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Speaker 10: her with vehicular manslaughter. Awaite Mercedes with front end damage
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Speaker 10: was towed away about a half mile from the crash scene,
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Speaker 10: but investigators would not confirm whether the drivers stop voluntarily
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Speaker 10: or whether this was a hidden run people who live nearby.
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Speaker 10: I hope this crash will be a wake up call
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Speaker 10: for drivers to slow down and for the city to
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Speaker 10: do more to protect pedestrians.
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Speaker 1: You know, I want to go to you, Mark Class,
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Speaker 1: founder of Class Kids Foundation to protect children. Have you
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Speaker 1: ever seen cases where the public doesn't get all the details?
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Speaker 1: For a lot of the facts surrounding the case are
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Speaker 1: kept under the rug. For instance, what is this woman's
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Speaker 1: blood alcohol? They're not even saying that. They'll confirm it
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Speaker 1: was a hit and run. She was arrested about a
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Speaker 1: mile away. Yes, it was a hit and run. I
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Speaker 1: don't need a crime scene reconstruction is to tell me that,
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Speaker 1: Mark Class.
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Speaker 5: You know, Nancy, the nonprofit world is full of hypocrites.
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Speaker 5: It's full of wealthy people who sit on boards of
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Speaker 5: nonprofit organizations for no other reason than they can talk
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Speaker 5: about themselves at cocktail parties and give each other awards
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Speaker 5: for the great work that they do. And I think
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Speaker 5: Cheryl can attest to that she knows the nonprofit world
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Speaker 5: as well. And I think that's exactly what we have here. Now.
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Speaker 5: They can talk about how wonderful missus Grossman is and
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Speaker 5: all of the great things she's done, But she's also
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Speaker 5: the woman who cloud down two little boys, bumped one
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Speaker 5: of them off of the hood of her car, and
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Speaker 5: then ran over him again so that she could escape responsibility.
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Speaker 5: This is a woman with no conscience. This is a
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Speaker 5: woman with no morals. This is a woman who most
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Speaker 5: certainly does not belong behind the driver's set of a car.
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, I know that she's charged with suspicion dui.
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Speaker 1: Now you know the case will be ruined if they
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Speaker 1: did not do an appropriate blood alcohol content test on her,
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Speaker 1: a blow test, and that is the end of a
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Speaker 1: dui case. If you let her off the hook from
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Speaker 1: that blow test at the scene, you can't prove a
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Speaker 1: trial she was dui. So they have her charge with
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Speaker 1: suspicion dui. Why would they have charged her with that, Cheryl?
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Speaker 6: There must be some evidence either they could smell alcohol
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Speaker 6: in her breath. There was evidence in the car of
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Speaker 6: a bottle or something like that. But Nancy, the other
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Speaker 6: thing they're missing. They don't have the traditional things you
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Speaker 6: would have with an accident like this. They're not going
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Speaker 6: to have kid mark.
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Speaker 1: She didn't stop good point, good point.
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Speaker 6: So there's so many things. They can't get her accurate speed,
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Speaker 6: They may not have an accurate bea sie, they may
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Speaker 6: not have it.
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Speaker 1: We we do know this though, Cheryl. Now this is
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Speaker 1: good news for the prosecution if they take the case
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Speaker 1: all the way, if they don't get over impressed with
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Speaker 1: money and prominence. Just Gott Morgan, the professor forensic Jacks
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Speaker 1: will sit university and death investigator. The cops have broken
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Speaker 1: down and told us that this socialite, Rebecca Grossman, did
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Speaker 1: test over the legal limit. Explain, Yeah, the.
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Speaker 2: Legal limit, dependent upon where you are, is generally going
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Speaker 2: to be in a range of about point zero one
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Speaker 2: five that region right there, and it's going to go
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Speaker 2: to significant impairment and that is your motor function. How
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Speaker 2: can you make judgments? But this is one of the
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Speaker 2: problems going back to what Max said just a second
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Speaker 2: ago with her. You know, this woman has a history
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Speaker 2: of driving while intoxicated. This is my question. If she
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Speaker 2: is addicted to alcohol, her tolerance level is going to
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Speaker 2: be much higher. So there are people that have a
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Speaker 2: dependency upon alcohol that can still function be up you know.
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Speaker 2: Whereas you or I might have a drink couple of
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Speaker 2: glasses of wine or something and we're out like a baby,
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Speaker 2: this woman might could go through two or three bottles
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Speaker 2: of wine, so be upright and functioning. Uh So, it's
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Speaker 2: kind of a hit or miss. They need to have
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Speaker 2: done this early on.
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Speaker 1: And look at the front end of her Mercedes. You
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Speaker 1: can see it at climonline dot com.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, if I could address another car, Yeah, if
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Speaker 2: I could address that, this is a full size Mercedes sedan, Nancy.
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Speaker 2: And you know Mercedes one thing they're known for. It's
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Speaker 2: not just a luxury car. They're known as being a
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Speaker 2: safe car, well built. And Nancy, it looks like she
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Speaker 2: ran into a damn telephone pole. It's a center mass strike.
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Speaker 2: And just so people at home will understand, if you
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Speaker 2: imagine that great big Mercedes symbol that sits right in
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Speaker 2: the center of the grill that's gone, and not only that,
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Speaker 2: the hood itself is crushed in. This gives us an
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Speaker 2: indication that when she struck these two little boys, as
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Speaker 2: you mentioned just a second ago, in front of their parents.
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Speaker 2: Mind you, she was traveling at such a high rate that,
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Speaker 2: at least because I don't have all the data from
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Speaker 2: the scene, it gives the appearance that she hit a
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Speaker 2: fixed object, Nancy, not some non anchored person like these
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Speaker 2: two children. She hit something at such a high rate
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Speaker 2: of speed it literally collapsed the front of that car.
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Speaker 2: I don't see how the airbags kept from deploying. And
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Speaker 2: if you look at that image real quick, she did
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Speaker 2: try to flee. The only reason she didn't get away.
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Speaker 2: If you take a real close look at that image
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Speaker 2: on crime on Line, you'll see that there are fluids
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Speaker 2: that have poured out of the bottom of this thing,
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Speaker 2: so it disabled the vehicle. My guess is, as Ray
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Speaker 2: had alluded to earlier, is that if she could have
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Speaker 2: put as much distance between her and that event, that
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Speaker 2: that homicide, then you would have had time for the
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Speaker 2: blood alcohol to metabolize in her system. She would have gone.
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Speaker 2: And this has happened. Numbers of times with high profile
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Speaker 2: people over the years. If you don't have that science
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Speaker 2: to back it up, if you don't know what the
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Speaker 2: BA is at that moment in time, you've lost it
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Speaker 2: for everything.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Gray. Multimillionaire socialite Rebecca Grossman gets
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Speaker 1: court room victory this after a jury says she mowed
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Speaker 1: down two little boys dead after a boozy lunch. Six
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Speaker 1: family members were crossing the three way intersection in a
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Speaker 1: marked cross walk on the road. The parents heard the
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Speaker 1: speeding Mercedes. They could hear it speeding and hearing the car,
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Speaker 1: they reached out to grab their children. They grabbed Zachary
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Speaker 1: and Violet. Mark and Jacob were too far away. They
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Speaker 1: heard the speeding car. Cheryl, Now you understand the legal
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Speaker 1: implications of this. They could hear it at a distance speeding.
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Speaker 1: There were no skid marks. The parents grabbed the children
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Speaker 1: they can reach. The ones they couldn't reach were mowed down.
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Speaker 1: Analyze it, Cheryl McCollum.
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Speaker 6: Nancy, what you're going to have is you're going to
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Speaker 6: have the police go They've got to go back. They've
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Speaker 6: got to get video from every ring camera. If they
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Speaker 6: have the flock system, they've got to get that video.
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Speaker 6: They've got to trace her action backwards. Where did she drink,
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Speaker 6: how much did she drink? Where did she get it from?
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Speaker 4: Did she pay for it?
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Speaker 6: Was it already at home? Was she at a bar?
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Speaker 3: When?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're going to retrace all of their her steps,
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Speaker 1: at least I hope they are.
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Speaker 6: That they've got to and eighty because they don't have
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Speaker 6: anything else, because again, they know the blood alcohol is
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Speaker 6: going to be contested. They know that they're going to
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Speaker 6: have a fight on their hands. So they've got to
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Speaker 6: go back and show, just like you used to do that,
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Speaker 6: this crime didn't occur at nine forty seven PM or
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Speaker 6: six forty five. This crime occurred at two o'clock when
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Speaker 6: she took her first drink. It occurred at three fifteen
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Speaker 6: when she took the next one, It occurred at five
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Speaker 6: sixty when she had her third one, and then she
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Speaker 6: chose to get in the car after five or six
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Speaker 6: or a bottle. And that's what they've got to show
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Speaker 6: the importance of that. They've got to go back and
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Speaker 6: show every speeding ticket. They've got to show every failure
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Speaker 6: to maintain lane. They've got to show every DUI she's
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Speaker 6: ever had. Even if they reduced it to you know, whatever,
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Speaker 6: they might have reduced it to reckless driving or such.
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Speaker 5: You know, we all know.
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Speaker 6: Reckless driving usually the DUI that's been reduced. They got
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Speaker 6: to look at every single one, every single time her
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Speaker 6: prominent husband has saved her. They've got to go talk
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Speaker 6: to friends and said, hey, how many cocktail parties does
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Speaker 6: she throw? How often do y'all know her to?
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Speaker 1: You know, it's going to be critical that they trace
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Speaker 1: her steps that day. Amen, Because Mark Class, I mean,
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Speaker 1: have you ever heard accident used in DUIs? It's no accident,
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Speaker 1: Mark Class, Because, as Cheryl McCollum was saying, you start
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Speaker 1: in the day drinking, you decide to get your car keys,
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Speaker 1: You decide to walk out to your car after you've
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Speaker 1: been drinking. You decide to insert the key in the
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Speaker 1: ignition and start the car, put it reverse and then
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Speaker 1: drive there you go. All those were conscious decisions, Mark Class.
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Speaker 5: There were conscious decisions. Why a woman who's probably done
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Speaker 5: that hundreds of times and doesn't really seem to care
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Speaker 5: about the safety of anybody else, feels that she's privileged
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Speaker 5: enough that she can do what she wants when she
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Speaker 5: wants and have some kind of a sterling reputation and
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Speaker 5: a lot of money to fall back on.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina. Try a lawyer
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Speaker 1: at the scene. We've seen so many celebrity walk a
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Speaker 1: straight line tests, touch your nose tests, say the ABC's test.
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Speaker 1: What other tests are performed at the state are supposed
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Speaker 1: to be performed when cops suspect do UI well?
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Speaker 4: Obviously the markers are a breathalyzer.
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Speaker 5: She could refuse the breathalyzer.
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Speaker 12: She refuses the breathalyzers, they'll take blood work at the
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Speaker 12: hospital or wherever she can car SRT as I.
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Speaker 1: Would suppose they can do the field sobriety tests.
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Speaker 12: Such as heltoe. They also can take other steps to
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Speaker 12: determine whether or not they're drinking, such as alcohol bottles
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Speaker 12: in the car, the smell of alcohol on that lady's breath.
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Speaker 1: We do know that this prominent socialite, Rebecca Grossman, was
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Speaker 1: involved in an accident twenty twelve where the other driver
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Speaker 1: claims she ran a red light driving over sixty five
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Speaker 1: in a forty mph zone and plowed into the back
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Speaker 1: of his car. The driver passed away later from ill help,
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Speaker 1: but the insurance report includes his detailed description of the crash. Now,
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Speaker 1: in that case, we know that insurance paid out one
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Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars in a settlement with Grossman. She was
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Speaker 1: injured in that too, So what, if anything, do we
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Speaker 1: know about her history, Raykipudo.
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Speaker 5: Well, Dancy, she's not a good driver, that's for sure.
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Speaker 4: I mean, you can only speculate that that's connected to this.
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Speaker 4: I don't know for shirt, but it seems to be
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Speaker 4: that the writing was on the wall for miss Grossman,
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Speaker 4: and she had plenty of opportunity to fix some of
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Speaker 4: the issues that she had in her life, but you know,
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Speaker 4: she didn't. And here we are, this tragedy was avoidable.
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Speaker 4: There was something that shouldn't have happened. And now this
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Speaker 4: family is going to be living with us for the
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Speaker 4: rest of our lives. And you know this Grossman's life
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Speaker 4: is done too. Pretty much, her reputation is gone.
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Speaker 1: I'm really more worried about the two dead boys than
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Speaker 1: anybody's reputation, Doctor Angela Arnold. What about the people surrounding her?
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Speaker 1: I mean, according to a Daily Mail report quote, she's
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Speaker 1: a reckless driver. The socialite charge with killing two young
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Speaker 1: boys in Dui hit and run previously totaled another driver's
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Speaker 1: car after quote speeding through a red light and then
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Speaker 1: she sued him even though she ran into the back
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Speaker 1: of his car.
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Speaker 12: Nancy, I don't believe that they should be calling her
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Speaker 12: a socialite. I think that they should be calling her
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Speaker 12: a sociopath. That is what this woman is at the
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Speaker 12: core of who she is. She is a sociopath. Why
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Speaker 12: do we have to be describing this woman who has
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Speaker 12: hit and killed two children and has absolutely no remorse
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Speaker 12: instead of a socialite socialite, we should be calling her
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Speaker 12: a sociopath today, because that.
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Speaker 1: Is just wondering. I mean, Cheryl McCollum, director of Mad Georgia,
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Speaker 1: Mother's against junk driving, everybody around her, I mean, are
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Speaker 1: they enabling her drinking and driving way in Nantee.
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Speaker 6: I think the most important thing is forget everybody around
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Speaker 6: her business solely on her. She did this, This is
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Speaker 6: nothing new behavior. She chose to drink, she chose to drive,
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Speaker 6: she chose to try to cover it up, she told
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Speaker 6: to try to hide her faith. Now she has chosen
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Speaker 6: not to reach out to the family and apologize. She
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Speaker 6: has chosen to do all of these things that show
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Speaker 6: exactly who she is. And I think that last statement
35:13
Speaker 6: was pen on accurate. She is a socio path you.
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Speaker 1: Know, Cheryl McCollum. People refer to these scenes as an accident.
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Speaker 1: I disagree completely. This is no accident.
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Speaker 6: No, this is a homicide thing period.
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Speaker 1: As always, our prayers with the victims family at this
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Speaker 1: hour and we wait as justice un false. Goodbye friend,