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November 10, 2025 (Hour 1) · Zone 1150 - Chip Howard's SportsTalk

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  Speaker 1: Hey, welcome man, thanks for being with us. It's Monday.
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  Speaker 2: In the Sports to the program, Rock to Black, Central
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  Speaker 1: Medicine and Geo.
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  Speaker 2: We have slapped together a really good show today. We're
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  Speaker 2: running from Mike Elco. Coming up at the bottom of
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  Speaker 2: the hour, I'm going to replay an interview I did
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  Speaker 2: back in September with author John Bacon. His book is
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  Speaker 2: called Gales of November. It's on the wreck of the
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  Speaker 2: Edmund Fitzgerald. Why am I doing that today? Fifty years
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  Speaker 2: ago today, approximately seven pm, twenty nine souls were lost
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  Speaker 2: when the Edmund Fitzgerald went down. We will play that
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  Speaker 2: interview phone the neighbors, wake the kids, and in the
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  Speaker 2: second hour, Rusty and Caesar here for the writer's roundtable.
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  Speaker 1: We have topics for you.
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  Speaker 2: So we got all of that going on for us,
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  Speaker 2: which is nice, and we're going to give away a
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  Speaker 2: prize coming up here in less than fifteen minutes to
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  Speaker 2: our week eleven. Friday's Fearless winner, Mike Elko took great
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  Speaker 2: pains today to tell his team through the media how
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  Speaker 2: dangerous South Carolina is. That's an eleven am kickoff on
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  Speaker 2: Saturday morning. More individual awards. Marcel Reid named the Davey
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  Speaker 2: o'br in great eight twenty of twenty nine, two hundred
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  Speaker 2: twenty one yards, two touchdowns, twenty nine rushing yards. Diego
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  Speaker 2: Pavia's Diego Pavia is the sec Offensive Player of the Week.
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  Speaker 2: Four hundred and eighty nine yards of offense in the
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  Speaker 2: win over Auburn. The last two weeks he's been close
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  Speaker 2: to one thousand yards. Damian Sanford de linebacker, five tackles,
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  Speaker 2: two for losses, sack, force, fumble, quarterback pressure.
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  Speaker 1: Pretty good week.
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  Speaker 2: Cashus Howell, who's like every week defensive Lineman of the
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  Speaker 2: Week in the SEC five tackles one for loss of sack,
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  Speaker 2: force fumble, one quarterback pressure, and on and on. Brian
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  Speaker 2: Kelly has said no thank you to LSU as they
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  Speaker 2: reached out trying to settle his contract. First, they offered
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  Speaker 2: twenty five million up front thirty million, and Kelly's attorneys
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  Speaker 2: have sent a letter saying, fulfill the contractoral obligation. That's
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  Speaker 2: fifty four million dollars. If he wants monthly installments through
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  Speaker 2: twenty thirty one, he would get seven hundred and twenty
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  Speaker 2: nine thousand dollars a month, give or take.
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  Speaker 1: Through twenty thirty one.
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  Speaker 2: Look, if they need me to step in and mediate,
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  Speaker 2: I'll take half of that sum. Big ten executives have
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  Speaker 2: a plan with member schools to move forward with their
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  Speaker 2: capital investment proposal without Michigan and USC. The league has
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  Speaker 2: signaled the schools it may hold a vote in two
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  Speaker 2: weeks to potentially adopt a twenty year, two point four
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  Speaker 2: billion dollar deal with a California pension fund and extend
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  Speaker 2: the difference granted rights in additional ten years. The move
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  Speaker 2: for a vote, supported encouraged by many university administrators, threatens
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  Speaker 2: to drive a wedge between the teams and especially Michigan
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  Speaker 2: and USC. Several university administrators, board members, and executive spoke
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  Speaker 2: to yacht Who Sports about the Big ten's latest proposal
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  Speaker 2: in partnering with an investment fund of the University of
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  Speaker 2: California pension system called u SE Investments. Bucket ball hit
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  Speaker 2: a little snag yesterday in Stillwater, losing to Oklahoma State
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  Speaker 2: eighty seven sixty three. Marcus Hill had fourteen, Ruben Domingus
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  Speaker 2: had nine, Zach Clements had nine as well. It wasn't
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  Speaker 2: a great outing for Aggie basketball. They are hosting Central
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  Speaker 2: Florida Friday night at seven o'clock. Houston is the number
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  Speaker 2: one team in AP College basketball, ahead of Purdue, Yukon
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  Speaker 2: Duke and Arizona Michigan sixth in BYU Alabama, Kentucky, Florida,
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  Speaker 2: Texas Tech is sitting at number eleven. Tennessee is twenty,
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  Speaker 2: Arkansas twenty one, Auburn twenty two. SEC Basketball Players of
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  Speaker 2: the Week Alabama guard LeBaron Pylon.
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  Speaker 1: He's pretty good.
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  Speaker 2: Average twenty three and a half points, five and a
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  Speaker 2: half assists, three rebounds in a couple of wins, including
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  Speaker 2: at number five Saint John's this week the Freshman of
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  Speaker 2: the Week Tennessee for Nate Ament six' ten, average twenty
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  Speaker 2: and a half, points eight and a half, boards three.
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  Speaker 2: Assists Is steele played just twenty six and a half
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  Speaker 2: minutes in their.
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  Speaker 1: Wins this.
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  Speaker 2: Week two major league baseball pitchers have been indicted on
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  Speaker 2: charges they took bribes to give sports betters advanced notice
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  Speaker 2: on the types of pitches they, throw and intentionally throwing
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  Speaker 2: balls instead of strikes on prop. Bets Emmanuel, class Former ranger,
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  Speaker 2: reliever And Louis, ortiz both of The, guardians have been
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  Speaker 2: on non disciplinary paid leave Since. July they are charged
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  Speaker 2: with wire, fraud conspiracy on his, services wire fraud, conspiracy
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  Speaker 2: conspiracy to influence sporting contest by, bribery and money laundering.
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  Speaker 2: Conspiracy class is still. Free ortiz was arrested by THE
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  Speaker 2: fbi yesterday morning.
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  Speaker 1: At Logan airport In.
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  Speaker 2: Boston and The Texas, rangers who led the league in, er.
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  Speaker 1: Have received The American League Gold Glove Team.
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  Speaker 2: Award so apparently pitching and defense are not enough to
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  Speaker 2: win a lot of baseball. Games The rangers set a
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  Speaker 2: single season major league record with a listen to me
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  Speaker 2: nine nine one one team fielding percentage eighty nine defensive runs,
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  Speaker 2: saved an al. High three players with sixteen defensive runs
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  Speaker 2: saved this, Season corey Seger A, Dooleys Garcia, Wyatt Langford
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  Speaker 2: Marcus simeon won a goal. Club the fifty one errors
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  Speaker 2: were the fewest in team history during a full. Season
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  Speaker 2: the nineteen game airless streak established a team record and
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  Speaker 2: tied the longest run In Major League baseball. History, again
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  Speaker 2: pitching and defense apparently not enough in today's college major league. Baseball,
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  Speaker 2: okay we're going to give away a, prize always. Fun
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  Speaker 5: Tomorrow Shane Van gisbergen was the twenty twenty FIVE Nascar
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  Speaker 5: Cup Series rookie of The, year notching five wins on the.
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  Speaker 6: Season THOSE i enjoyed my racing a lot this year
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  Speaker 6: and building up with the, team and, yeah as you,
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  Speaker 6: said the second half the, year we improved a, Lot
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  Speaker 6: SO i think it was just progression, GLIMPSES i guess early,
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  Speaker 6: on but starting to put races together and this speed got,
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  Speaker 6: better AND i think it was just.
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  Speaker 7: PROGRESSION i think it's been. Awesome i've really enjoyed. It and,
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  Speaker 7: yeah the winds have been. Great that's more than we
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  Speaker 7: probably ever hoped. For but, yeah getting competitive on the
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  Speaker 7: ogles has been a, plus AND i feel like we'll
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  Speaker 7: have some good momentum to into next. Year like our
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  Speaker 7: team hasn't changed you much on the eighty eight, car
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  Speaker 7: so it's pretty. Cool, yeah LIKE i said, BEFORE i
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  Speaker 7: felt like the cars are so different to last. YEAR
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  Speaker 7: i felt LIKE i was starting, Again like The xcinity
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  Speaker 7: car don't really cross. Over so, YEAH i felt like
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  Speaker 7: all my experience was at a pretty low level, again
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  Speaker 7: and everyone's just so good in The Cup. Series IT'S
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  Speaker 7: i knew it would be, difficult but it was really
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  Speaker 7: really tough at the. Start so, yeah it wasn't a,
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  Speaker 7: shock but we had to knuckle down pretty. Hard it's
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  Speaker 7: WHAT i hoped it would. Be, yeah and Then i've
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  Speaker 7: enjoyed my racing more THAN i. Thought AND i didn't
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  Speaker 7: know what it'll be like doing the same thing every
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  Speaker 7: SINGLE i was used to trying different series and different.
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  Speaker 7: Disciplines really and, yeah doing the same thing all, YEAR
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  Speaker 7: i wasn't sure HOW i found, It and, Yeah i've
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  Speaker 7: really liked. IT i like the. CHALLENGES i like how
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  Speaker 7: the tracks vary through the A you're not doing the
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  Speaker 7: same thing all the. Time and, Yeah i've really enjoyed.
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  Speaker 2: on the wreck of The Edmund fitzgerald fifty years. Ago
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  Speaker 2: today his book is Called gales Of, november one of
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  Speaker 2: the best BOOKS i have ever. Read but right now
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  Speaker 1: Visit with the week eleven, Winner Joseph. Galucci, joseph is that?
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  Speaker 16: You?
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  Speaker 17: Yeah what in the?
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  Speaker 1: World you were? Undefeated my?
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  Speaker 15: MAN i KNOW i had a lucky.
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  Speaker 6: WEEK i sure was fun to.
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  Speaker 1: Win so how close are you to the?
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  Speaker 6: Lead?
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  Speaker 17: Oh not very.
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  Speaker 12: Close i'm way Behind Ranger joe and the other.
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  Speaker 2: Leader, okay, okay well you're You're you're probably down by,
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  Speaker 2: me which is not a good place to. Be, so
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  Speaker 2: so you played all all, Year, joseph what.
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  Speaker 1: Have you played all season. Long have you have you
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  Speaker 1: gotten every?
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  Speaker 15: Week?
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  Speaker 13: Oh, YES i have done every week religiously.
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  Speaker 1: Excellent you're the.
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  Speaker 2: Man, WELL i mean you were unbeaten this. WEEK i
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  Speaker 2: can't take that away from. You you had a heck
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  Speaker 2: of a. Week how'd you do?
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  Speaker 18: It?
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  Speaker 19: Well it took the touch score a bunch of points
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  Speaker 19: in the short all.
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  Speaker 1: That killed, Me, joseph that game killed. Me oh.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah and of course The yanggies are on pit's a.
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  Speaker 21: Right.
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  Speaker 2: you playing the contest and best of.
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  Speaker 1: Luck going forward thanks to. It appreciate.
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  Speaker 2: It all, right that's A week eleven, Winner Joseph. Glucci
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  Speaker 2: we're on The week. Twelve our tiebreaker game Is texas And,
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  Speaker 2: Georgia crosby AND a AND m consolidated At Merrill Green.
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  Speaker 2: Stadium clemson And Louisville Notre, dame Pitt South, CAROLINA a AND,
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  Speaker 2: M virginia And Duke utah And Baylor, Olkklahoma, Alabama South
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  Speaker 2: florida And, navy The texans and The Titan you have
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  Speaker 2: those ten games to pick this week until five O'clock friday.
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  Speaker 2: Afternoon we are running out of, weeks my.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody Friday's Spearwi's Football forecast contest is brought to you
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  Speaker 2: By Hes Worn them In flooring.
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  Speaker 1: And Chad Jones.
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  Speaker 2: Law tomorrow on the. Show excited about this one Author Matthew.
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  Speaker 2: Davis his book is CALLED A biography of A, Mountain
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  Speaker 2: The making And meaning Of Mount. Rushmore Matthew davis joins
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  Speaker 2: us on the program. Tomorrow but right now we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: hear From Mike. Elko he is broadcast live Every monday
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  Speaker 2: at one point Thirty here on The. Zone we're going
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  Speaker 2: to play part of HIS q AND a with the.
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  Speaker 11: Now we just kicked off The Aggies Can Food. Drive
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  Speaker 11: for those of you who don't, know that's the nation's
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  Speaker 11: largest student Run Can. Drive they'll be out This saturday
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  Speaker 11: with a tent set up The Aggie Can tent in
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  Speaker 11: The Fan zone and so to all The, aggies to
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  Speaker 11: all the people that support this program coming Out. Saturday
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  Speaker 11: if you could chip, in that'd be. Great the cans
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  Speaker 11: benefit The Brazos Valley Food bank and The Twelfth Can
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  Speaker 11: foundation here in, town and so just a great cause
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  Speaker 11: and a great opportunity to be An Aggie On. Saturday
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  Speaker 11: as we look back to recap The missouri, GAME i
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  Speaker 11: always start with our players of the week Our scout
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  Speaker 11: team players of the week offensively was Ty. Thomas on.
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  Speaker 11: Defense we went With Aiden herrera and on special Teams
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  Speaker 11: Tristan jernigan for the. Game lineman of The week Offensively
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  Speaker 11: Demetrius crownover And Trey. ZOON i thought the challenge of
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  Speaker 11: handling the outside edges was a big piece of that,
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  Speaker 11: game and for the most part we were able to
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  Speaker 11: kind of contain those two, kids AND i think that
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  Speaker 11: played a huge role in our. Success and then obviously
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  Speaker 11: The trey having to flip in and play center and
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  Speaker 11: do a really good, job and it was awesome to
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  Speaker 11: See Duce slathery pop in ready to roll and play
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  Speaker 11: a big role at tackle for. Us, defensively again it
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  Speaker 11: Was tyler On yetam five, tackles two, TFLs did a
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  Speaker 11: really really good job in the middle of the run
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  Speaker 11: defense and made a couple of plays that got them
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  Speaker 11: off scheduled and help us get off the. Field players
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  Speaker 11: of the Week, Offensively Casey conception obviously the touchdown on
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  Speaker 11: the screen was such a huge play and again just
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  Speaker 11: continues to be very electric with the football in his. Hands,
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  Speaker 11: defensively want to give a shout out To Casius, howell
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  Speaker 11: who was THE Sec Defensive lineman of the. Week Damian
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  Speaker 11: sandford was the CO Sec Defensive player of the. Week
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  Speaker 11: but internally we actually went With Tyreek chappelle as our
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  Speaker 11: player of the week for the job he did on
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  Speaker 11: their slot living And Kevin coleman basically did to one
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  Speaker 11: catch for one yard on a jet, sweep and SO
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  Speaker 11: i thought that Was tyreek's best game of the. Year
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  Speaker 11: and then special, teams there was a lot of debate
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  Speaker 11: on who the special teams player of the week. Was
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  Speaker 11: some Thought Dalton, brooks some Thought Albert, regis depending on
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  Speaker 11: who you believe on the on field fight that went
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  Speaker 11: on about whether to keep the fake on or call it.
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  Speaker 11: Off and So i'll let you guys decide who gets that.
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  Speaker 11: One and so now we turn our attention moving forward
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  Speaker 11: to a really CHALLENGING Uh South carolina. Team obviously a
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  Speaker 11: team coming in who has played one of the most
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  Speaker 11: challenging schedules in the country when you look at, it
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  Speaker 11: this will be their fifth straight game against a team
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  Speaker 11: ranked in the top twelve or. HIGHER i can't imagine
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  Speaker 11: that that has happened very often throughout the history of college.
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  Speaker 11: FOOTBALL i don't know what they did to the scheduling
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  Speaker 11: gods to get the schedule that they've. Gotten, so in my,
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  Speaker 11: opinion a team that is extremely, talented much better than
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  Speaker 11: their record would indicate coming off of a bye, week
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  Speaker 11: obviously with a lot of confidence based on what they
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  Speaker 11: did to us last, year and so we're gonna have
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  Speaker 11: a tremendous challenge On saturday and to come out and
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  Speaker 11: play our best football to have a chance to. Win
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  Speaker 11: and so it's kind of where we're. At so from,
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  Speaker 11: there we'll open it up to.
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  Speaker 18: Questions coach to the right through road Daven.
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  Speaker 3: Coach, oko given how much you all have prioritized finishing,
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  Speaker 3: games finishing the, season what is it about this team
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  Speaker 3: that allows.
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  Speaker 18: Them consistently to play their best at the end of?
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  Speaker 11: Games, YEAH i, mean, OBVIOUSLY i think it starts with
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  Speaker 11: the work that we do with Coach moffatt and the strength.
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  Speaker 11: Staff you, know it's hard to say that that's not
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  Speaker 11: a big piece of. IT i think they have a
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  Speaker 11: maturity about them that understands the need to elevate their
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  Speaker 11: level in the fourth. QUARTER i think that plays a.
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  Speaker 11: Role and THEN i, think you, know when you have
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  Speaker 11: an experienced veteran group to some, degree you would hope
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  Speaker 11: that that would be the case because they've been through it,
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  Speaker 11: enough they understand what it takes to elevate their game
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  Speaker 11: at the. End, Uh and SO i think that probably
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  Speaker 11: plays a role in it as.
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  Speaker 18: Well stay to the right second, Route roland And.
• 19:56
  Speaker 22: Mike first of, all if it's not state, secret can
• 20:01
  Speaker 22: you give us an idea how that all did go
• 20:03
  Speaker 22: down to make that? Call is it something that Y'ALL
• 20:07
  Speaker 22: i have to, MEAN i didn't know it Was missouri
• 20:09
  Speaker 22: lining up like that the whole, game or you, know
• 20:11
  Speaker 22: how did that all? Unfold?
• 20:13
  Speaker 11: YEAH i think with most most things like, that you,
• 20:17
  Speaker 11: know there's always a mechanic to check it off if
• 20:19
  Speaker 11: you don't feel good about your ability to hit. It
• 20:23
  Speaker 11: that's something we talk a lot about with the kids
• 20:25
  Speaker 11: each week About, okay, hey those are the things that
• 20:27
  Speaker 11: maybe indicate this might not work the way we hoped it.
• 20:29
  Speaker 11: WOULD i think there was a little bit of an
• 20:32
  Speaker 11: on field debate about whether they had one of those
• 20:34
  Speaker 11: looks or, didn't and ultimately they decided to keep it
• 20:37
  Speaker 11: on and it worked.
• 20:38
  Speaker 22: Okay and then last, year you know you told us
• 20:43
  Speaker 22: About lenora's sellers and getting your guys to understand the
• 20:47
  Speaker 22: challenge that he. Presented is the challenge the? SAME i,
• 20:50
  Speaker 22: mean if they're not having he's not having as much,
• 20:53
  Speaker 22: success and they're not having as much success, offensively when
• 20:57
  Speaker 22: you when you when you look at the film of
• 21:00
  Speaker 22: and things like, that what do you see?
• 21:02
  Speaker 11: DIFFERENT i see the same, big, physical athletic kid that
• 21:07
  Speaker 11: ran all over us and threw all over us last.
• 21:10
  Speaker 11: Year SO i see the same, kid and so our
• 21:12
  Speaker 11: kids better see the same kid because he absolutely lit
• 21:16
  Speaker 11: us up last. Year and so if we want to
• 21:19
  Speaker 11: have any level of success On, saturday we will do
• 21:22
  Speaker 11: a much better job of understanding what the challenge actually
• 21:25
  Speaker 11: is this.
• 21:25
  Speaker 23: Year to the, Left alex's just what's the update On Scooby,
• 21:31
  Speaker 23: Williams just how he's doing.
• 21:32
  Speaker 11: Good getting better every week and we'll kind of see
• 21:35
  Speaker 11: how this week.
• 21:35
  Speaker 23: Goes, Gotcha and you know you mentioned how y'all had
• 21:38
  Speaker 23: to pivot on the offensive. Line just what maybe impressed
• 21:41
  Speaker 23: you the most that that unit was able to do
• 21:44
  Speaker 23: what they. Did y'all stuck with that kind of, look
• 21:46
  Speaker 23: seems like most of the.
• 21:47
  Speaker 11: Game, yeah obviously ourmaj was out in the second. Half
• 21:51
  Speaker 11: AND i think that's one of the reasons why we
• 21:54
  Speaker 11: play the way we. DO i think everyone always asks
• 21:56
  Speaker 11: questions about like the old, line like why do you
• 21:59
  Speaker 11: why do you if guys, around why do you? Rotate
• 22:01
  Speaker 11: are you serious About Trey zoon playing? Center and you,
• 22:05
  Speaker 11: know we do those things because at some point in a,
• 22:08
  Speaker 11: game something's gonna happen and you're gonna need the group
• 22:12
  Speaker 11: to go out and play a certain way to go
• 22:14
  Speaker 11: win a football. Game and when you're at this stage
• 22:17
  Speaker 11: we're at where there's so much meaning behind each, game
• 22:22
  Speaker 11: you imagine if we hadn't played trade at center at,
• 22:25
  Speaker 11: all or we couldn't put that lineup out there, together
• 22:28
  Speaker 11: or whatever the case may. Be and SO i just
• 22:30
  Speaker 11: think that's how we think about these things from a
• 22:33
  Speaker 11: big picture standpoint from day, one and so to, us
• 22:37
  Speaker 11: it's really important that you have enough continuity on that
• 22:40
  Speaker 11: line and enough guys ready to go that it's not
• 22:44
  Speaker 11: one injury that would rock your. World and so you,
• 22:47
  Speaker 11: know it's you, Know homage got dinged. Up he couldn't
• 22:50
  Speaker 11: go anymore to try to give us everything he, had
• 22:52
  Speaker 11: but he couldn't keep, going and so you, know we
• 22:54
  Speaker 11: went with the. Group that was what we felt like
• 22:57
  Speaker 11: gave us the best chance to win the rest of.
• 22:58
  Speaker 23: The, way all the way in the, Back, donna, coach
• 23:02
  Speaker 23: do you have an update On?
• 23:03
  Speaker 18: Homage, yeah he's, fine. Okay and then, also.
• 23:05
  Speaker 23: How have you been able to keep outside noise outside your?
• 23:08
  Speaker 18: Building?
• 23:09
  Speaker 11: Yeah, AGAIN i just think last year was such a
• 23:12
  Speaker 11: learning lesson for, us you, know And i've referenceded a,
• 23:15
  Speaker 11: bunch but like you, know nobody appreciated obviously because like,
• 23:21
  Speaker 11: me everyone was so disappointed with how the year. Ended
• 23:23
  Speaker 11: BUT i don't think anyone appreciated the challenge that was
• 23:27
  Speaker 11: being in that position really for the first time and
• 23:29
  Speaker 11: for those kids ever for the, program we hadn't been
• 23:32
  Speaker 11: in that position very much, either and so we think
• 23:36
  Speaker 11: we just learned a. LOT i think we learned a
• 23:37
  Speaker 11: lot about what would come with, it how to handle it,
• 23:39
  Speaker 11: all what it all really meant at the end of the.
• 23:42
  Speaker 11: Day and you, know again we've handled it the right
• 23:45
  Speaker 11: way for nine. Games there's still three more that we've
• 23:48
  Speaker 11: got to handle one at a, time and so let's Start.
• 23:50
  Speaker 18: Saturday, Coach we'll go right next to, Him, tyler or
• 23:53
  Speaker 18: right next to, Her, Sorry, Tyler.
• 23:56
  Speaker 10: Mike does it feel like forever since you've been at?
• 23:58
  Speaker 21: Home and then just how excited is it to have
• 24:00
  Speaker 21: this kind of momentum coming back To Kyle field this?
• 24:03
  Speaker 18: Week, yeah it's.
• 24:05
  Speaker 11: FUNNY i stood on the podium after The florida game
• 24:07
  Speaker 11: AND i, said you, know we're gonna go on the
• 24:09
  Speaker 11: road for about five, weeks and hopefully when we returned
• 24:11
  Speaker 11: To Kyle, field we'll return with a lot on the.
• 24:13
  Speaker 11: Line and certainly there's a lot on the Line, Saturday
• 24:16
  Speaker 11: and so certainly would anticipate the Twelfth man showing up really.
• 24:20
  Speaker 11: Well they always, do BUT i would imagine for this
• 24:22
  Speaker 11: one they'll show up even. Better And, yeah it's a
• 24:25
  Speaker 11: great opportunity for us to get back home and play a,
• 24:29
  Speaker 11: really really big game against a really talented football.
• 24:31
  Speaker 18: Team we're going to go to the left third, Row, Matthew.
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: Coach how telling is it of this team's character to
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: go and defeated on a three game sec road.
• 24:40
  Speaker 18: Stretch, YEAH i think it's.
• 24:41
  Speaker 11: HUGE i THINK i don't know anyone honestly looking in
• 24:45
  Speaker 11: the eye and tell me you thought we would do
• 24:46
  Speaker 11: that at the beginning of the, Year and, again not
• 24:49
  Speaker 11: in any bad. Way i'm not sure THAT i would
• 24:51
  Speaker 11: have looked in the mirror and SAID i thought we. Could.
• 24:52
  Speaker 11: Either you know those things you have to you have
• 24:55
  Speaker 11: to learn how to do those, things and this program
• 24:57
  Speaker 11: hasn't really done that, recently and SO i think it's
• 25:00
  Speaker 11: a testament to the. KIDS i think, AGAIN i think
• 25:03
  Speaker 11: they formed a lot of confidence when we went in
• 25:04
  Speaker 11: The south mand and got that one, done AND i
• 25:07
  Speaker 11: think they believe in what they're capable. Of but for
• 25:10
  Speaker 11: them to still go out there and do it three straight,
• 25:13
  Speaker 11: weeks it's extremely.
• 25:14
  Speaker 18: Impressive prompt, road, Right, Travis.
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah with the sack this, Weekend cassius only HAS i
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: Believed Mantrey moore And Miles garrett in THE sec or
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: as more single season. Sacks as a defensive, coach how do
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: you how do you appreciate the kind of season that
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: he's had and do you kind of root for him
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: maybe to get hit one of Those Miles garrett seasons
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: or something like.
• 25:36
  Speaker 11: That, yeah for, SURE i think it'd be great for.
• 25:39
  Speaker 11: HIM i think it'd be great for our. PROGRAM i
• 25:41
  Speaker 11: don't know That miles would like, it but maybe some
• 25:43
  Speaker 11: part of him would enjoy the program having. Success, NO
• 25:47
  Speaker 11: i think he. Has he has, really you, know helped
• 25:51
  Speaker 11: himself a lot coming back this. Year you, know we
• 25:54
  Speaker 11: talked about how important it was to flip the narrative
• 25:56
  Speaker 11: in this program with those guys that were fringe guys
• 26:00
  Speaker 11: making a decision to come, back actually seeing them develop their,
• 26:04
  Speaker 11: bodies go out and have a significantly better. Season you
• 26:09
  Speaker 11: can't speak to how much that means to our program moving.
• 26:12
  Speaker 11: Forward and so because of all of, THAT i would
• 26:15
  Speaker 11: love it to end with him setting the single season sack,
• 26:19
  Speaker 11: record with him getting a ton of national, recognition and
• 26:22
  Speaker 11: him ultimately feeling like he made a really good decision
• 26:26
  Speaker 11: for himself and his family by being part of this.
• 26:28
  Speaker 18: Program one more, Year we'll go to the, back, Right.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: CHIP i know you have plenty of offensive, playmakers but
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: after Seeing Dalton brooks with the ball a couple of,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: times and he thought of getting him involved on that
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: side of the ball, Anymore.
• 26:41
  Speaker 11: NO i shoot neither, one or he should have scored
• 26:43
  Speaker 11: on both of, them BUT i told, him but, no so, No,
• 26:47
  Speaker 11: yeah he's a really talented. Kid he's a really athletic. Kid,
• 26:51
  Speaker 11: obviously that's that's a game that you dream of when
• 26:53
  Speaker 11: you're playing, safety to be able to account for seventy
• 26:57
  Speaker 11: eight total. Yards and there's obviously two, huge huge place
• 27:01
  Speaker 11: For rushmore at them.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Standpoint so he didn't really say he was gonna Add
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Dalton brooks to his offensive, package did. He all, right
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: that's part of Coach. Elko if we have time later
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: in the, week we'll do. That i'm guessing we're going
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: to hear From Kirby smart at some. Point i'm not
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: guessing it's my. SHOW i can do, it but we'll
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: hear From Kirby smart tomorrow or sometime this week On
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  Speaker 9: The americans coming back From sunvill In.
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  Speaker 15: Wisconsin as the big freighters, go it was bigger than, most.
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  Speaker 1: With the crew and good captain twelve.
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  Speaker 9: Season concluding some terms with a couple of steel films
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  Speaker 9: when they.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Left fully loaded For.
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  Speaker 9: Cleveland then the leader that night when the ship's bill,
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  Speaker 9: Ranged could it be the north wind they'd been?
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Feeding As Gordon lightfoot nineteen seventy, six the wreck of
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: The Edmund fitzgerald the, win and for most of us
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: that is the only way we know about The Edmund.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Fitzgerald it was fifty years.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Ago tonight that The Edmund fitzgerald went down with twenty
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: nine souls sing In Lake. Superior John bacon has written
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: a book on that Called The gails Of. November this
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: is the INTERVIEW i did with him Before the book
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: came out about six weeks.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Ago right now we're.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Going to jump out to the player's Fun center phone
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  Speaker 2: line and visit with Author John. Bacon his, book out
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: next week is Called The gaels Of, November The Untold
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: story of The Edmund. Fitzgerald, JOHN i don't want to oversell,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: this But i've told my listeners this is one of
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: the best Books i've ever.
• 32:30
  Speaker 19: Read, hey over sell, away chip go.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Nuts let's start with just the, culture the freight along
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: The Great, lakes and the culture that existed then and
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: does some extent still.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Exists that's.
• 32:50
  Speaker 19: Correct, Look i'm From Annibra. Miskin we spent our summers
• 32:54
  Speaker 19: On Lake. MISCHKAN i have swam in all these, lakes sailed,
• 32:57
  Speaker 19: them motor botered, them et. Cetera AND i didn't know.
• 33:00
  Speaker 19: Anything so it turns out the culture these things are the,
• 33:04
  Speaker 19: greatest the biggest lakes in the world. Combined they're bigger
• 33:08
  Speaker 19: than all Of New england plus the state Of New.
• 33:09
  Speaker 19: York people have no sense of just how gigantic these things.
• 33:12
  Speaker 19: Are you can't see across, them they're that. Big they're like.
• 33:15
  Speaker 19: Oceans so when you're on, there of, course The Great lake.
• 33:19
  Speaker 19: Shipping pretty much all your stuff comes from These Great lakes.
• 33:23
  Speaker 19: Freighters the cement in your, basement the steel in your,
• 33:26
  Speaker 19: car the cereal on your, table it's all from The
• 33:29
  Speaker 19: Great lakes and off from these. Ships so the culture
• 33:32
  Speaker 19: is an intense. One ONE i knew almost nothing.
• 33:34
  Speaker 20: About.
• 33:34
  Speaker 19: IS i, said they're about three hundred, freighters and back
• 33:37
  Speaker 19: in those, days who did this. Work now it's about
• 33:39
  Speaker 19: one hundred and there for about nine thousand guys you do.
• 33:42
  Speaker 19: It and they're on these ships nine months out of the.
• 33:45
  Speaker 19: Year SO i was, wondering as a friend of mine,
• 33:47
  Speaker 19: said we know the, farmer the factory, worker the, miner
• 33:51
  Speaker 19: but no one knows the. Sailor AND i, thought why is?
• 33:53
  Speaker 19: That because they're never. Home you couldn't meet.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Them this, ship The Edmund.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Fitzgerald is it fair to compare it to The titanic
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: in its day and that it was? Unsinkable it was
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: the best of the.
• 34:09
  Speaker 12: Best it is completely.
• 34:12
  Speaker 19: Fair and that's another thing THAT i didn't. Know shame
• 34:15
  Speaker 19: on me AS i, say, ship is that this ship
• 34:18
  Speaker 19: really was all. That and you, know we're both football.
• 34:20
  Speaker 19: Guys oftentimes you dig back into you know the four, Horsemen,
• 34:25
  Speaker 19: well you read about The Four. Horsemen he realized they
• 34:26
  Speaker 19: won that game thirteen to. Nine that's not an, apocalypse
• 34:29
  Speaker 19: that's a couple of. Fieldals so it's not always that.
• 34:33
  Speaker 19: Way in this, case the fifth really was all. That
• 34:36
  Speaker 19: it was the longest ship in The Great, lakes the,
• 34:39
  Speaker 19: widest could carry the most, cargo is one of the,
• 34:42
  Speaker 19: fastest and set all the records for cargo year, in year,
• 34:46
  Speaker 19: out again and again and. Again and it was also
• 34:49
  Speaker 19: the nicest and most. Famous it was vip, quarters the
• 34:52
  Speaker 19: best food in The Great, lakes the best, crew the best,
• 34:55
  Speaker 19: captain and when they're going past some of the inlets
• 34:58
  Speaker 19: like The Sioux locks or The Detroit, river or crowds
• 35:01
  Speaker 19: would wait for them a day in. Advance sheer the
• 35:03
  Speaker 19: ship on this ship really was all.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: That tell our listeners what taconite.
• 35:08
  Speaker 19: Is, Ah i've got some in a little jar on
• 35:11
  Speaker 19: my desk right, now AND i didn't know that either.
• 35:14
  Speaker 19: Beforehand so. Taconite if you think about how fracking has
• 35:19
  Speaker 19: restored drilling In america for, petroleum all the easy wells
• 35:23
  Speaker 19: have been, Taken so what do you do have to
• 35:25
  Speaker 19: do fracking? Well After World War, two all the easy
• 35:28
  Speaker 19: iron ore had been taken out of Northern, minnesota Northern,
• 35:32
  Speaker 19: wisconsin and the Upper peninsula Of. Michigan and here's a
• 35:35
  Speaker 19: fun fact for. You those, miners by the, way lived
• 35:38
  Speaker 19: in caves in the. Winter their nicknames were the gophers
• 35:40
  Speaker 19: In minnesota and the badgers In. Wisconsin, well, fans those
• 35:45
  Speaker 19: mascots come from, miners not from, Animals so how about that.
• 35:48
  Speaker 19: One but, anyway so After World war, two professor up
• 35:52
  Speaker 19: there In minnesota figured out how to take this, refuse this,
• 35:55
  Speaker 19: taconite the throwaway, stuff and turn it into these pellets
• 36:00
  Speaker 19: hand good radio Hunh, yes but they're about marble. Sized
• 36:05
  Speaker 19: and they put about five hundred million of these, things
• 36:09
  Speaker 19: twenty six thousand tons on one of these. Ships and
• 36:12
  Speaker 19: these pebbles basically cocoa puffs is what they look. Like
• 36:16
  Speaker 19: they pile on the ship and they get them off
• 36:19
  Speaker 19: At Ford Motor company And dearborn right off the the Tread.
• 36:21
  Speaker 19: River they smelt. Them they melt them down right then and,
• 36:24
  Speaker 19: there and those things become a car by the end
• 36:27
  Speaker 19: of the. Day so and on one of these, ships
• 36:30
  Speaker 19: on The, fitzgerald they could hold enough attackonite to build
• 36:34
  Speaker 19: a seven thousand cars per cargo. Load and they did
• 36:37
  Speaker 19: this fifty times a. Year that's one. Ship so that's
• 36:40
  Speaker 19: where a car comes.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: From fifty eight million? Pounds DID i get that?
• 36:45
  Speaker 19: RIGHT i know you can't believe, it but it's. True
• 36:48
  Speaker 19: it's the equivalent of four thousand adult elephants on one
• 36:51
  Speaker 19: ship every, trip which is once per.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Week and the laws and they were a little bit.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Loose maybe The Edmund fitzgerald probably put more taconite in
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: the holes of that ship than probably they should.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Have is that fair to?
• 37:14
  Speaker 19: Say that is more than fair to, Say, CHIP i
• 37:16
  Speaker 19: love your, show BUT i love it for, football of,
• 37:19
  Speaker 19: course my, man your listeners better know that you've done
• 37:23
  Speaker 19: your homework. Here you do your, homework well, done exactly.
• 37:26
  Speaker 19: Right something called the Plim cell line From Great britain
• 37:30
  Speaker 19: in the eighteen fifties and. Sixties the line painted on a,
• 37:33
  Speaker 19: ship but you're not allowed to have that go beneath
• 37:36
  Speaker 19: the water, line so you lower your ship. Up if
• 37:38
  Speaker 19: you go belong that, line insurance is not going to cover.
• 37:41
  Speaker 19: You but every one in The Great lakes cheating in that.
• 37:43
  Speaker 19: LINE i got a whole chapter called cheating the Plim cell. Line,
• 37:46
  Speaker 19: yeah how you hose down the deck to cool it,
• 37:50
  Speaker 19: down which raises the ship amazingly in the. Middle you
• 37:54
  Speaker 19: dump the potable, water there's stuff you're drinking to raise the,
• 37:57
  Speaker 19: ship all kinds of ways to cheat this. Thing and
• 38:00
  Speaker 19: then the government itself gave you out of nowhere three
• 38:04
  Speaker 19: and a half more feet of what's called, freeboard which
• 38:06
  Speaker 19: means you allowed to sink in the water three and
• 38:08
  Speaker 19: a half more feet in the early late, sixties thirty,
• 38:12
  Speaker 19: seventies right before this. Accident so a ship not built
• 38:15
  Speaker 19: for this is now taking on much more than it.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Should let's talk a little bit about the, Captain ernest.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: McSorley how would describe him as you did in your?
• 38:25
  Speaker 19: Book sure he was the short. Answer he's the best
• 38:29
  Speaker 19: captain on The Great, lakes flat. Out and his competitors
• 38:32
  Speaker 19: told me. That his former crew told me that that
• 38:35
  Speaker 19: was his. Reputation the best in rough, weather the best
• 38:39
  Speaker 19: pilot on The Great, lakes they said he could. Do
• 38:42
  Speaker 19: these things are seven hundred and twenty nine feet. Long
• 38:45
  Speaker 19: think about that for a. Second that's a seventy three
• 38:46
  Speaker 19: story building on its. Side it's the biggest building the
• 38:49
  Speaker 19: state Of, michigan The Renaissance.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Center it's like two and a half football fields two
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: and a half.
• 38:54
  Speaker 19: Football fields and it's only seventy five feet, wide so
• 38:57
  Speaker 19: two and a football fields and not even as wide
• 39:01
  Speaker 19: as a baseball passed. Wide it's, crazy so it's it's
• 39:06
  Speaker 19: a crazy. Design but, anyway this guy with two ships
• 39:09
  Speaker 19: on either side of a gigantic doc that goes half a,
• 39:12
  Speaker 19: mile he could land that thing without bumping into either
• 39:15
  Speaker 19: ship five feet gap on either, side as one guy,
• 39:18
  Speaker 19: said as though he's parking his forward f one fifty
• 39:22
  Speaker 19: in the parking. Lot he was that. Good so he
• 39:25
  Speaker 19: was the best in the. Lakes also the most revered.
• 39:28
  Speaker 19: Captain his crew loved. Him he's a good, guy and
• 39:31
  Speaker 19: each time he was promoted to another, ship his crew
• 39:34
  Speaker 19: very happily came with.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Him all, Right so you you describe in great detail
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: the weather on The Great lakes and On, superior and
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: the day this ship left was a bluebird?
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Day was it? Not seventy?
• 39:50
  Speaker 20: Degrees exactly?
• 39:52
  Speaker 19: Right and trust, me you're In, TEXAS i believe, Correct,
• 39:54
  Speaker 19: Yes so all, right seventy degrees In. Texas you know
• 39:57
  Speaker 19: you call that What November december degrees In, Duluth minnesota is.
• 40:02
  Speaker 19: Strange that is at the very top of The United.
• 40:06
  Speaker 19: States it's the western point Of Lake, superior which is
• 40:10
  Speaker 19: so cold no one swims in it ever year. Round
• 40:13
  Speaker 19: it's just too cold for. That so seventy degrees sounds.
• 40:16
  Speaker 19: Great but here's the bad. News the longer winter takes
• 40:20
  Speaker 19: to arrive in The Great, lakes the angrier it. Arrives
• 40:23
  Speaker 19: it's like a dam. Breaking so it's a beautiful day On,
• 40:26
  Speaker 19: sunday seventy, degrees it turns nasty. Fast there are two
• 40:30
  Speaker 19: storms coming in one The Alberta clipper From edmonton And
• 40:35
  Speaker 19: calgary Hockey town to the. Course that's bringing, cold dry
• 40:38
  Speaker 19: air across the. Plains that's not unusual this time of.
• 40:42
  Speaker 19: Year what is unusual from where you are the southwest
• 40:45
  Speaker 19: The United, states From california Across arizona To, Texas, Oklahoma.
• 40:50
  Speaker 19: IOWA a, hot wet storm equally. Strong and these two
• 40:55
  Speaker 19: storm systems are going to collide right Over Lake, superior in,
• 40:58
  Speaker 19: fact right in front of what's Called Whitefish, bay this
• 41:03
  Speaker 19: little pocket at the end of the eastern end Of.
• 41:05
  Speaker 19: Superior as the song, goes that's the ship is. Heading
• 41:09
  Speaker 19: and these two storms set up shop At catcher guarding home.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Plate and until the storms. ARRIVE i want people to
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: know that the weather and The National Weather, service and
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: all of these things they weren't quite what they are,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: today were.
• 41:29
  Speaker 19: They your phone has more power than they had fifty years,
• 41:34
  Speaker 19: ago and part of that was, technology but part of
• 41:37
  Speaker 19: that was simply complacency on both The National Weather services
• 41:41
  Speaker 19: part as well as the captain's. Part so two things
• 41:43
  Speaker 19: have improved dramatically since. Then forecasting ability and communicating that
• 41:47
  Speaker 19: with the captains did not exist. Then so these captains
• 41:50
  Speaker 19: knew very little of this. Storm they knew The Alberta
• 41:53
  Speaker 19: clipper was coming, Down they did not know about the southwestern.
• 41:55
  Speaker 19: Storm only at the last minute they decided to go
• 41:58
  Speaker 19: the safe, way the, northern the longer, way hugging the
• 42:02
  Speaker 19: shore Of Lake superior Through, canada and that safety measure unfortunately.
• 42:08
  Speaker 19: Ship it's kind of. Tragic this captain is known for
• 42:11
  Speaker 19: going go go go pedals in the. Metal he never
• 42:14
  Speaker 19: turned around in. Storms he never sought. Shelter this time
• 42:17
  Speaker 19: he finally takes the safe, route which he doesn't know as.
• 42:20
  Speaker 19: WELL a few problems. There, one you just gave the
• 42:23
  Speaker 19: storm fourteen more hours to beat you To Whitefish, point
• 42:27
  Speaker 19: AS i said Home, plate so didn't. Know. That second
• 42:30
  Speaker 19: thing is now he's not trained water that he does
• 42:33
  Speaker 19: not know nearly as, well including this little speck of
• 42:36
  Speaker 19: an island Called Cariboo. Island it's one mile by three.
• 42:39
  Speaker 19: Miles it's in the middle of a lake that is
• 42:41
  Speaker 19: thirteen hundred feet, deep and in front of that island
• 42:44
  Speaker 19: is what's called six fathoms. SHOAL a fathom is six,
• 42:48
  Speaker 19: feet six fathoms is therefore thirty six. Feet but this
• 42:51
  Speaker 19: thing is only eleven feet deep in certain. Places that's
• 42:54
  Speaker 19: no deeper than your backyard pool at that. Point and
• 42:57
  Speaker 19: this thing already has twenty nine feet underwater on a good,
• 43:01
  Speaker 19: day and this is not a good. Day thirty forty
• 43:04
  Speaker 19: fifty foot, waves one hundred mile per hour winds that
• 43:07
  Speaker 19: knock over trailer parks and cars and so, on and
• 43:11
  Speaker 19: he's walking into all. That he ended up in the
• 43:13
  Speaker 19: exact wrong place at the exact wrong.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: Time there had been a similar storm years, before, Correct
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: but this is one of those every fifty to one
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: hundred year kind of storms that he sailed into exactly.
• 43:30
  Speaker 19: Right Chip and, again my, man you're passing the quid
• 43:32
  Speaker 19: is left and right, y.
• 43:35
  Speaker 20: So cheap it.
• 43:35
  Speaker 19: Up when he we'll talk, football, well you'll show off.
• 43:38
  Speaker 19: There you're nailing this. Stuff The storm of The century
• 43:42
  Speaker 19: was nineteen thirteen on four of the five. Lakes twenty
• 43:46
  Speaker 19: ships were, lost around three hundred men on The Great lakes.
• 43:49
  Speaker 19: Miserable but that storm of the century did not last
• 43:52
  Speaker 19: from the century only sixty two more. Years this storm
• 43:56
  Speaker 19: was the worst storm of the. Century november, tenth nineteen.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: Seven and why is, It, john tell our, listeners why
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: these storms on this lake and on The Great lakes
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: are worse than the storms that we see the crab
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: catchers fighting out Of russia In.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Saltwater.
• 44:19
  Speaker 19: Man yet one more, Thing, CHIP i did not know
• 44:23
  Speaker 19: that The Great, lakes according to commercial sailors around these
• 44:26
  Speaker 19: big ships all the. Time John hayes did twenty three
• 44:30
  Speaker 19: years on The Great. Lakes in twelve on The, ATLANTIC
• 44:32
  Speaker 19: i talked about a dozen guys who sailed in both
• 44:35
  Speaker 19: The atlantic and The Great, lakes and they, said it's
• 44:38
  Speaker 19: not even. Close The Great lakes are far more. Dangerous
• 44:41
  Speaker 19: and anyone who's done both will tell you, that like
• 44:44
  Speaker 19: that's news to. Me and here's. Why salt water weighs
• 44:48
  Speaker 19: down the, waves so instead of being, plenty they're smooth on,
• 44:51
  Speaker 19: top they're spread. Out they come half as fast as
• 44:55
  Speaker 19: The Great lakes waves and they're hopping from a storm
• 44:59
  Speaker 19: one thousand mile the, way even an earthquake thousand miles.
• 45:01
  Speaker 19: Away great lake storms are right above, you including this,
• 45:05
  Speaker 19: one so their effect is immediate and. Intense the fresh
• 45:08
  Speaker 19: water waves are pointy at the, top not like roller,
• 45:11
  Speaker 19: coasters like mountain, ranges and they're also twice as close,
• 45:15
  Speaker 19: together so instead of coming every ten or sixteen, seconds
• 45:18
  Speaker 19: they come forward to eight, seconds which is disastrous because
• 45:22
  Speaker 19: now you've got your bow in one end of a
• 45:25
  Speaker 19: thirty foot wave and nothing in the, middle and then
• 45:28
  Speaker 19: a different, wave a second, wave has got your stern
• 45:31
  Speaker 19: lifted thirty feet in between you have four thousand elephants of.
• 45:35
  Speaker 19: Taconite that means your ship is going to crack but
• 45:38
  Speaker 19: nothing supporting, it and that happens all the.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Time so would we say thirty five to fifty foot?
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Waves some people will, go, well you, know people on
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: the water tend to. Exaggerate you think that these waves
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: were exactly that, high and in some cases maybe even.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Higher from everybody you've talked to, researched that was a.
• 46:01
  Speaker 19: Central question chip and by the, way roltively short, interview
• 46:05
  Speaker 19: you're nailing all the high. Points kudos on.
• 46:08
  Speaker 18: That.
• 46:09
  Speaker 19: Yeah my first question, was, well first of, all who
• 46:12
  Speaker 19: the hell is measuring these things with a tape? Message,
• 46:14
  Speaker 19: yeah how do you measure a? Wave second of, out
• 46:16
  Speaker 19: who believes any of this? STUFF i, mean you know
• 46:19
  Speaker 19: who can say? Exactly, well it turns out they've done
• 46:21
  Speaker 19: studies on this stuff and they've discovered that unofficial, sailors amateur,
• 46:28
  Speaker 19: sailors and small boats exaggerate the, waves and study shows
• 46:32
  Speaker 19: that experienced sailors on freighters and big ships underestimate the.
• 46:36
  Speaker 19: Waves and then we've got scientists At Michigan Tech university
• 46:40
  Speaker 19: and The university Of michigan with buoys out there measuring this.
• 46:43
  Speaker 19: Stuff and now we have computer models and so on,
• 46:45
  Speaker 19: thirty forty and fifty foot waves they definitely face that.
• 46:49
  Speaker 19: Night we can prove that with technology and a fifty
• 46:52
  Speaker 19: foot wave hitting a ship with only ten feet above,
• 46:56
  Speaker 19: water that's a. Problem it's not the splashy whitewater was called.
• 47:00
  Speaker 19: Greenwater that means you are. Underwater, yeah and you hope
• 47:03
  Speaker 19: the ship bob's out each, time every four to eight,
• 47:07
  Speaker 19: seconds it keeps on coming. Up but eventually it.
• 47:09
  Speaker 20: Didn't and when.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: We say this stuff came up, QUICKLY i mean we're talking,
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: immediate almost, correct and it just got.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: Worse.
• 47:18
  Speaker 19: Exactly in, fact one hour away was The Arthur ANDERSON
• 47:21
  Speaker 19: i should have been, on actually traveled. On it was
• 47:24
  Speaker 19: one hour, away about ten fifteen miles communicating the whole.
• 47:29
  Speaker 19: Time it was seen different weather than The fitzgerald was
• 47:32
  Speaker 19: just being fifteen miles. Away so, again The fitzgerald was
• 47:35
  Speaker 19: in the wrong place the wrong time more than any
• 47:37
  Speaker 19: other ship that.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: Night and McSorley being the, captain AND i think it
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Was Captain Bernie cooper on The anderson who was following
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: him when he slowed. Down when McSorley slowed down The
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: Edmund fitzgerald in order for that ship to catch, UP
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: i think the captain knew there was something wrong going
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: on on The Edmund fitzgerald for that to.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Happen, yes exactly right.
• 48:04
  Speaker 19: Ship, look these nautical captains are kind of like airline,
• 48:07
  Speaker 19: pilots and we're used to. That no matter how much
• 48:10
  Speaker 19: your plane is bouncing, around what does the guy say
• 48:12
  Speaker 19: he gets on there with his Slow southern, Drills ladies and,
• 48:16
  Speaker 19: Gentlemen we'll have a little turbulence for the next half
• 48:18
  Speaker 19: an hour or. So that's what these guys are. Like
• 48:21
  Speaker 19: and in, fact they're more so like that because they
• 48:24
  Speaker 19: don't want to put anything on the radio to give
• 48:27
  Speaker 19: their competition information that helps them get to the port
• 48:31
  Speaker 19: before they do and then they can unload for.
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: Us they're very.
• 48:34
  Speaker 19: Competitive like football coaches. Basically so he's not putting much out.
• 48:38
  Speaker 19: There but even he's got to admit in two phone
• 48:41
  Speaker 19: calls to transmissions to The Arthur anderson that his fence
• 48:45
  Speaker 19: railing is, down his vent covers are, off some water's
• 48:48
  Speaker 19: coming in there. Now he's got a, list which means
• 48:50
  Speaker 19: he's leaning to the right heavily starboard. Side at, first
• 48:54
  Speaker 19: it's a passing. Concern two hours later it's the first
• 48:57
  Speaker 19: thing that he. Mentions that means that water is getting
• 48:59
  Speaker 19: into your ship and tilting it to the right four
• 49:02
  Speaker 19: to seven. Degrees that's bad.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: News as good as McSorley, was you write about the
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: possibility of.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: Fatigue he had been up.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: A long, time and by the time this storm got,
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: bad he's in the middle of. It he doesn't know
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: where he, is he's turned, around the waves are. Crashing
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: he ends, up as you've, mentioned probably along this sixth
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: fathom shoal because one of the divers did he not
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: discovered maroon paint from the ship at the bottom of
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: that shoal.
• 49:29
  Speaker 19: Dead, right yes. You first of, all he's not slept
• 49:33
  Speaker 19: in thirty six hours because captains don't yes these. Situations
• 49:36
  Speaker 19: second thing is it's called motion. Fatigue The navy studies,
• 49:40
  Speaker 19: this and it's about the same as being. Drunk no
• 49:42
  Speaker 19: matter how experienced you, are if you're on a roller
• 49:45
  Speaker 19: coaster for a day and a, half your brain's a little.
• 49:47
  Speaker 19: Loopy you can't help. It and then you've got these old.
• 49:51
  Speaker 19: Charts they call them, Map we call them, maps they
• 49:53
  Speaker 19: call them. Charts he might have used the wrong chart
• 49:55
  Speaker 19: at the wrong, time which sent him directly over six fathom.
• 49:58
  Speaker 19: Shoal anderson thought he'd he did go over that show probably.
• 50:01
  Speaker 19: Hit if you, hit that's where the water came. From
• 50:04
  Speaker 19: and now you've got all kinds of. Problems and then
• 50:06
  Speaker 19: you also mentioned another safety measure he, took which might
• 50:10
  Speaker 19: have been the wrong. One, tragically he waited for an
• 50:13
  Speaker 19: hour for The anderson to catch. Up, well he's got
• 50:15
  Speaker 19: no long, radar no short. Radar that's. Out the lighthouse
• 50:19
  Speaker 19: he's looking. For the light and the radio beacon are both.
• 50:22
  Speaker 19: Out he's truly blind in a sideway snowstorm miserable one
• 50:27
  Speaker 19: hundred miles p hour. Wins it makes, sense, except all,
• 50:31
  Speaker 19: right the storm is going ahead of him To Whitefish
• 50:34
  Speaker 19: point and he's taken on. Water if he had gone
• 50:37
  Speaker 19: straight through like he usually would, have he might have made.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: It so the only THING i knew about, this And
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: i'm guessing the majority Of americans who even know about,
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: it Was Gordon lightfoot song which came out a year
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: later in nineteen seventy, Six The wreck of The Edmund.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: Fitzgerald you do a great job of talking about. THAT
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: i was really, interesting and when it first came, out
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: the families thought that he was capitalizing on their, tragedy
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: and it was far from, That wasn't it exactly?
• 51:09
  Speaker 19: Right he was a sailor himself on The Great. Lakes
• 51:11
  Speaker 19: he's actually a pretty good. Sailor he had great. Empathy
• 51:14
  Speaker 19: he was very concerned about the family's. Reactions he is
• 51:17
  Speaker 19: also extremely concerned about getting every detail, right and that,
• 51:21
  Speaker 19: song for a, song is ninety eight percent. Accurate he
• 51:24
  Speaker 19: did a great job and changed the lyrics a couple
• 51:26
  Speaker 19: times when more evidence came out as to what actually.
• 51:29
  Speaker 19: Happened so he was a very good guy about, that
• 51:32
  Speaker 19: and if you get On Rolling Stone Magazine today. Online
• 51:36
  Speaker 19: those two chapters are now. Online the first excerpt is running.
• 51:39
  Speaker 19: Today Nice i'm the unlike the creation of the song
• 51:42
  Speaker 19: and the even more unlikely success of the. Song here's
• 51:45
  Speaker 19: a fun fact for. You and you know this one.
• 51:46
  Speaker 19: Already he had never played it in. Public they're finishing
• 51:50
  Speaker 19: an album In toronto and they had a five day
• 51:53
  Speaker 19: contract for the. Studio they finished the album after three
• 51:56
  Speaker 19: and a half. Days he still has not recorded or
• 51:58
  Speaker 19: even played They gerald. Song and finally the guy and
• 52:01
  Speaker 19: the studio, says, look, Man i'm charging you whether you
• 52:03
  Speaker 19: played anything else or. Not you've got a day and a.
• 52:06
  Speaker 19: Half the studio's, here the guys are. Here why not try.
• 52:08
  Speaker 19: It so they played the song first. Time anybody But
• 52:12
  Speaker 19: gordon Life it had heard. It they finished the song and,
• 52:15
  Speaker 19: said you know, what that's not half. Bad they tried
• 52:17
  Speaker 19: ten more. Times it was never as good as that.
• 52:20
  Speaker 19: Time the song you hear on the radio is actually
• 52:24
  Speaker 19: the first time the group ever played the, song and
• 52:28
  Speaker 19: that never ever happens in. Recording so because they felt,
• 52:32
  Speaker 19: it that was the. Difference they felt.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: IT i could probably do another, Hour, john BUT i
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: WILL i will not do. THAT i hope that we
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: have peaked the interest of. People this book is out next.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: Week it is just a phenomenal. Story we just hit
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: a little of the high. Points he deals with the
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: entire crew that went down that, day and let's end with, This,
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: john there were lots of ships at the bottom of
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: The Great lakes when The Edmund fitzgerald went down in
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: nineteen seventy, five where they're.
• 53:07
  Speaker 19: Not there are least between eighteen seventy five and nineteen
• 53:11
  Speaker 19: seventy five at least six thousand commercial. Shipwrecks that's one
• 53:16
  Speaker 19: per week for a. Century and you know Where i'm
• 53:18
  Speaker 19: going with. This, yep not one. Since because that The
• 53:23
  Speaker 19: Memphis gerald A titanic going down so shocked the. Industry
• 53:27
  Speaker 19: they finally got right about, forecasting about, communication even about common.
• 53:32
  Speaker 19: Sense it's too, rough don't go. Out there's not been
• 53:35
  Speaker 19: one lost, since an amazing.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: Record that Was november, tenth nineteen seventy. Five the book
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: is out next. Week it's Called The gales Of. November
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: John bacon wrote. It, JOHN i can't thank you enough
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: for the. TIME i really appreciate.
• 53:49
  Speaker 21: It.
• 53:50
  Speaker 19: Chip thank. You can find out more On johnyubacon dot.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: Com get the book IT i cannot recommend it highly.
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