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Credlin | 10 July · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kranlad live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Well, good evening and welcome to the show. I'm James
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Speaker 2: Macpherson filling in for Peter Credlin. Here's what's coming up.
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Speaker 2: The comment from Green's deputy leader Marine Ferruki that people
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Speaker 2: seem to have missed it shows just how Farruki's hypocrisy.
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Speaker 3: Is laid bare. I'll bring that to you shortly.
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Speaker 2: A concern from business, farmers and industry that Labor could
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Speaker 2: cave to the Greens and implement a climate trigger, creating
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Speaker 2: even more onerous green tape for businesses that already have
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Speaker 2: their backs to the wall. Plus, all eyes are on
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Speaker 2: Joe Biden as the NATO summit gets underway in Washington.
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Speaker 2: Can Biden make it through the whole summit without flubbing
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Speaker 2: his lines, let alone inadvertently declaring war on an ally?
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Speaker 3: It'd be laughable if it wasn't so serious.
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Speaker 2: And for all the talk from Labor about reducing migration numbers,
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Speaker 2: they've hit another milestone with a record number of asylum
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Speaker 2: seekers flying in since they took off.
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Speaker 3: Yes, but first, Deputy.
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Speaker 2: Green's leader Marine Feruki caused a stir at the weekend
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Speaker 2: when appearing on the ABC, she repeatedly refused to say
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Speaker 2: whether Hermas should be dismantled. Hamas, of course, is a
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Speaker 2: terrorist organization whose members just nine months ago raped, beheaded, burned,
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Speaker 2: and slaughtered twelve hundred Israelis.
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Speaker 3: That was right before they took two.
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Speaker 2: Hundred and fifty one others, including babies, hostage. So should
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Speaker 2: he mus be dismantled? It wasn't exactly a trick question.
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Speaker 4: Does Hamas need to be dismantled?
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Speaker 5: It has nothing to do with Palestinian statehood and Palestinian self.
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Speaker 4: The question was this Hamas we have dismantled.
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Speaker 5: The Palestinians need to decide.
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Speaker 4: If they choose Hamas. That's okay, David, that is such?
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Speaker 4: What can I say, like should it be dismantled?
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Speaker 5: Hamas is an organization that exists in the region that
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Speaker 5: we are talking about.
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Speaker 4: Surely you're able to say where you'd like to see
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Speaker 4: them go.
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Speaker 3: On and it's not up to me.
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Speaker 2: For Ricky was widely slammed for her evasiveness, but what
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Speaker 2: many people failed to pick up on at the time
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Speaker 2: was that just minutes later, she was asked whether or
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Speaker 2: not the Lord's Prayer said at.
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Speaker 3: The beginning of parliament should be dismantled.
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Speaker 2: Let's take a look at her response to that question
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Speaker 2: and see if you can detect any change from her
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Speaker 2: indecisiveness over her mass.
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Speaker 4: If they're running on their religion, is that an issue
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Speaker 4: for you?
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Speaker 5: Well, you know, we start our day in the Senate
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Speaker 5: with the Lord's Prayer. Let's not forget that. And as
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Speaker 5: much as I would love for our parliaments to be secular,
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Speaker 5: I completely believe in a secular parliament. Lord Prayer of
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Speaker 5: Church and State. I would like to get rid of
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Speaker 5: it because you know, we so many peoples of different
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Speaker 5: faiths and from all over the world live in this country.
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Speaker 2: So a Muslim immigrant demands a traditionally Christian country abolish
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Speaker 2: its christ traditions. What's the chance that accommodate Christian demands
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Speaker 2: to abolish Islamic trappings in the Islamabad Parliament.
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Speaker 6: But just to be.
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Speaker 2: Clear, Fariki isn't really sure whether a murderist terrorist organization
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Speaker 2: should be removed from Palestine, but is absolutely certain that
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Speaker 2: the Lord's Prayer should be removed from Parliament. What are
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Speaker 2: we supposed to conclude that the Greens regard the Lord's
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Speaker 2: Prayer as more dangerous than hamas that the words of
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Speaker 2: Jesus are a greater threat to peace and harmony than
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Speaker 2: the world's most notorious terror organization. And then I got
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Speaker 2: to thinking, maybe Marine Feriki has a point. Maybe the
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Speaker 2: Greens are right to demand the long standing tradition of
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Speaker 2: opening each day of Federal Parliament with the Lord's Prayer
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Speaker 2: should be abolished. It may just be that the words
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Speaker 2: of Jesus really are dangerous, and it's right for the
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Speaker 2: Greens to be protected from them, lest they start all
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Speaker 2: the country by acting with wisdom. For those unfamiliar with
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Speaker 2: the prayer that former Green Senator Lee Rhiannon once described
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Speaker 2: as insulting, let me explain the ten nation destabilizing ideas
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Speaker 2: from which the Greens insist the leaders of our nation
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Speaker 2: must be protected. The prayer, of course, begins our Father
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Speaker 2: who art in Heaven. This is a shocking acknowledgment that
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Speaker 2: the highest office bearers in the land may not be
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Speaker 2: the highest office bearers in the universe. Should politicians realize this,
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Speaker 2: they might start acting with humility and become completely unrecognizable
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Speaker 2: to their own electorates.
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Speaker 3: Helloed be thy name.
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Speaker 2: That's the dangerous admission that we must live for something
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Speaker 2: bigger than our own name or self aggrandizement. This could
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Speaker 2: inadvertently lead to politicians no longer making themselves the center
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Speaker 2: of absolutely everything. And then what would Queensland labor leader
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Speaker 2: Stephen Miles do? Apparently giving Queensland as eighty five dollars
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Speaker 2: off their car rego is enough to transform Stephen Miles
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Speaker 2: into a member of the Fast and the furious. But
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Speaker 2: back to that dangerous lord's prayer, it continues, Thy Kingdom Come,
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Speaker 2: Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
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Speaker 3: Now, this toxic statement could.
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Speaker 2: Cause politicians to consider of perhaps they ought to act
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Speaker 2: according to convictions.
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Speaker 3: Rather than simply convenience.
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Speaker 2: And we can't have that, since it would throw the
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Speaker 2: public service into significant confusion.
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Speaker 3: Give us this.
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Speaker 2: Day our daily bread, Well, that line is plain offensive.
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Speaker 2: If there is a god, he or she or they
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Speaker 2: or them has clearly not been distributing the bread according
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Speaker 2: to the Green's favorite buzzwords of.
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Speaker 3: Equity and fairness.
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Speaker 2: If he or she were fair, the Greens would have
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Speaker 2: more bread than the people the Greens don't like, such
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Speaker 2: as those actually making the bread. We don't need a
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Speaker 2: god giving out bread willy nilly. When the Greens could
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Speaker 2: be redistributing the bread according to their holy trinity of diversity,
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Speaker 2: equity and inclusion. But I'm warning you the Lord's Prayer
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Speaker 2: gets even worse. It means our politicians would be expected
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Speaker 2: to say, forgive us our sins.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: This is a self esteem sapping admission that none of
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Speaker 2: us is perfect. This would be a public confession that
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Speaker 2: even Green senators are beset by all the flaws of
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Speaker 2: human nature and therefore prone to making mistakes. This is
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Speaker 2: a dangerous idea that our MPs should never, under any circumstances,
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Speaker 2: be allowed to contemplate, lest they stop thinking of themselves
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Speaker 2: as our betters. Which makes me wonder do they say
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Speaker 2: the Lord's Prayer in New.
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Speaker 5: Zealand dismiss anything else.
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Speaker 3: We will continue to be your single source of truth, hm.
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Speaker 2: The prayer of course goes on to say, as we
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Speaker 2: forgive those who sin against us. Now, this is a
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Speaker 2: devilish promise to respect the common humanity of those with
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Speaker 2: whom we disagree, rather than simply demonizing them as bigots
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Speaker 2: and climate deniers and transphobes and weight. The Greens are
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Speaker 2: correct to insist MPs must never to hear this less
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Speaker 2: civility breakout in Parliament and those sitting in the public
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Speaker 2: gallery think they're in the wrong building.
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Speaker 3: Lead us not into temptation?
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Speaker 2: Is that unflattering idea that we're all prone to wander
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Speaker 2: off on tangents. Now, were politicians to think about this,
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Speaker 2: they might start acting with caution rather than haste.
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Speaker 3: And then we wouldn't have pink bats.
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Speaker 2: Or cash for clunkers, or the National Broadband Network, or
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Speaker 2: snowy hydro two point zero or two hundred and eighty
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Speaker 2: meter high wind turbines.
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Speaker 3: Off the coast of Illawara.
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Speaker 2: But deliver us from evil, the prayer says, Now, this
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Speaker 2: is a foolishly outdated idea that evil exists even when
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Speaker 2: the Greens know the problem is really structural issues that
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Speaker 2: can be fixed by constant government interference in the affairs
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Speaker 2: of free men. The dangerous Lord's prayer concludes with this,
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Speaker 2: for Thine is the Kingdom, the Power, and the glory,
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Speaker 2: forever and ever.
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Speaker 3: Amen.
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Speaker 2: That's a clear reminder that our politicians will soon be gone,
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Speaker 2: but the decisions they will echo on in the lives
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Speaker 2: of our children's children. Kind of like a Victorian Labor
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Speaker 2: government credit card statement. Should MPs have to hear such words,
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Speaker 2: they might start thinking beyond the twenty four hour news cycle.
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Speaker 2: God forbid, I mean Green's forbid. Well, Let's head to
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Speaker 2: Camber No now for tonight's political headlines with Sky News
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Speaker 2: political reporter Trudy Macintosh.
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Speaker 7: The pomp and ceremony here at Russell Mart's the official
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Speaker 7: handing over from General Angus Campbell to his replacement, Admiral
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Speaker 7: David Johnston. Admiral Johnston has over four decades of service.
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Speaker 7: He's the first Defense chief to come from Navy in
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Speaker 7: twenty two years. Defense Minister Richard Marles called him a
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Speaker 7: safe pair of hands at a time when Australia must
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Speaker 7: confront the strategic threat posed by China's rise. The new
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Speaker 7: Chief of Defense promise to tackle big delays and cost
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Speaker 7: blowouts in defense procurement. He will also oversee the crucial
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Speaker 7: acquisition of Orcus nuclear power submarines.
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Speaker 8: My role is to ensure that the ADF is ready
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Speaker 8: now and into the future.
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Speaker 7: He promised to address persistent personnel shortages and improve the
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Speaker 7: treatment of veterans.
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Speaker 8: I recognize that the ADF workforce is my priority. We
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Speaker 8: must grow the force through higher recruitment and continue to
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Speaker 8: improve the retention of serving people.
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Speaker 7: Hundreds gathered to watch the changing of command parade Angus
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Speaker 7: Campbell's six years as CDF officially came to an end.
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Speaker 3: We live in very interesting times. Indeed, embrace it as
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Speaker 3: an opportunity.
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Speaker 7: The Prime Minister and Defense Minister notably both not in attendance,
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Speaker 7: Richard Miles instead in Washington, d C. At this week's
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Speaker 7: NATO summit that it is a.
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Speaker 9: Very significant moment to acknowledge the seventy fifth anniversary of
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Speaker 9: an organization which has been central to keeping peace in
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Speaker 9: the world over a significant period of time.
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Speaker 7: Australia is expected to provide more military support for Ukraine,
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Speaker 7: as US President Joe Biden promised new air defense systems.
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Speaker 10: Meg No MISTEG Ukraine can and will stop Poodle.
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Speaker 7: All eyes on Biden's performance as he attempts to stare
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Speaker 7: down calls to step aside from the rematch against Donald Trump.
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Speaker 7: Trudy McIntosh Sky News canbro.
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Speaker 2: Well, let's take a look at the other big news
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Speaker 2: today with Sky News Senior reporter Caroline Marcus and senior
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Speaker 2: writer and columnist for The Herald's son Patrick Carline.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to you, both.
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Speaker 2: New data from the Home Affairs Department shows that more
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Speaker 2: than two thousand asylum seekers flew into Australia in May
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Speaker 2: of this year. That's the highest of any month under
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Speaker 2: the Albanzy government and comes close to the record of
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Speaker 2: two eight hundred set in twenty eighteen. Interestingly, those seeking
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Speaker 2: asylum are arriving by plane from relatively stable countries, including China,
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Speaker 2: Vietnam and India. Caroline dan Teen says there are currently
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Speaker 2: more than eighty thousand failed asylum seekers still awaiting deportation,
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Speaker 2: and last May, just a few weeks ago, we got
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Speaker 2: rid of eleven of those people, sending them back to
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Speaker 2: where they'd come from. For a government that vowed to
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Speaker 2: lower migration, they seem to be sitting on their hands,
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Speaker 2: don't they.
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Speaker 11: Well not just that, but they just blame the former government.
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Speaker 11: They say it's all Peter Dubbin's fault. This is the
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Speaker 11: legacy he's left behind. But it does leave you to wonder, James,
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Speaker 11: what happened to the one hundred and sixty million dollars
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Speaker 11: that they pledged to crack down on dodgy asylum applications,
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Speaker 11: because it's certainly what a lot of these applications sounds like.
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Speaker 11: As you mentioned, they're from relatively stable countries, people who've
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Speaker 11: arrived here generally on plane, on tourist visas or temporary
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Speaker 11: visa holders, who once they're here on our shores then
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Speaker 11: go through the process of applying for asylum. But perhaps
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Speaker 11: what's even more concerning that was in this report was
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Speaker 11: that the government now has before it four high hundred
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Speaker 11: and sixteen asylum claims from people who came from the
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Speaker 11: Palestine in territories after October seven. And it's not that
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Speaker 11: people who are genuinely refugees fleeing persecution shouldn't be granted asylum,
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Speaker 11: of course, But I just have concerns over how thorough
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Speaker 11: the vetting process is, considering a lot of people coming
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Speaker 11: from that territory were given temporary visas within days, when
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Speaker 11: it could take weeks months to really vet the security
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Speaker 11: clearances that these people need to have.
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Speaker 3: This cynicism surprises me.
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Speaker 2: You have concerns over the vetting process of a department
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Speaker 2: led by mister Miles Giles. Rather, I'm amazed, Caroline.
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Speaker 3: I know I could go wrong. Patrick.
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Speaker 2: Border forces intercepted a boat forty four asylum seekers. They've
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Speaker 2: now been sent back to Indonesia. I believe most of
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Speaker 2: them were from Bangladesh. But there's also news that smugglers
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Speaker 2: are using TikTok to spread the word on how to
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Speaker 2: get to Australia. Bearing in mind I just mentioned Minister
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Speaker 2: Giles how badly the detainees' issue has been bungled. Do
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Speaker 2: we really have much faith in the government keeping control
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Speaker 2: of our borders?
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Speaker 12: Well, James, the signs aren't good, are they. I mean,
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Speaker 12: we've had two boats intercepted in the past week, and
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Speaker 12: we know from the longer history of these things that
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Speaker 12: one or two boats can quickly become ten to twelve boats,
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Speaker 12: like in six months time or whatever. The problem is,
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Speaker 12: if people think they're half a chance to get residency here,
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Speaker 12: they're going to try it. There's a long queue of
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Speaker 12: probably tens of millions of people who would try if
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Speaker 12: they think there are a chance, and that perception, aided
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Speaker 12: by the use of TikTok and so on, is actually
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Speaker 12: driving people to try. And so basically you look at
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Speaker 12: the there was a boat back in February that the
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Speaker 12: men landed on a West Australian beach. They weren't detected
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Speaker 12: until they are actually on the mainland, and the surveillance
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Speaker 12: hours of border force were down. You sort of got
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Speaker 12: a wonder if people think they're half a chance, they're
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Speaker 12: going to try. And that's the worrying sign here. This
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Speaker 12: might be the start or something that gets bigger and bigger.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, let's come back to home. If you like doing
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Speaker 2: a bit of shopping on Anzac Day, you're in for
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Speaker 2: bad news in New South Wales, where the Premier has
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Speaker 2: just announced as of next year there'll be no retail
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Speaker 2: trading at all on Anzac Day. Currently you're able to
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Speaker 2: go to the shops, Caroline, till after one pm. Here's
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Speaker 2: the Premier at Chris Mins with some of his reasoning
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Speaker 2: behind this decision.
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Speaker 13: It's an opportunity for the community to come together to
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Speaker 13: acknowledge what has been profound sacrifice by generations of young
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Speaker 13: Australians on behalf of the country. And if we forget
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Speaker 13: some of those basic tenants, if it's lost to future generations,
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Speaker 13: if it's not commemorated on Anzac Day, then the sense
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Speaker 13: the essential character or the spirit of a country like
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Speaker 13: Australia gets lost.
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Speaker 14: A lot of.
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Speaker 3: What do you reckon, Caroline, good decision.
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Speaker 11: Well, look, I think it's good to see a premier.
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Speaker 11: It's a labor premier in particular, talk about why it's
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Speaker 11: so important to remember Anzac Day and instill those values,
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Speaker 11: because I think it can be a bit like you
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Speaker 11: spend the morning going to a dawn service or thinking
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Speaker 11: about it, and then by the afternoon you've moved on.
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Speaker 11: If you're not playing two up somewhere, you know, you're
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Speaker 11: doing your shopping, you're living your everyday life. But I
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Speaker 11: also do think it should be up to businesses I guess,
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Speaker 11: to decide whether they want to be open or not.
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Speaker 11: I mean a lot of people are doing it really
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Speaker 11: tough as it is, so if it's going to have
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Speaker 11: an impact on the livelihood of people who run small businesses,
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Speaker 11: then that's not a good thing either.
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Speaker 2: Let me ask you about this, Patrick, because small business
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Speaker 2: won't be allowed to operate, but the NRL and the
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Speaker 2: AFL in Victoria. Of course, this is a New South
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Speaker 2: Wales edict. But you've got major sporting events that will run.
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Speaker 2: Is that a contradiction.
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Speaker 12: I look down here in Victoria we've got the Anzac
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Speaker 12: Day clash between Essenon and Collingwood each year. I think
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Speaker 12: if you try to stop that, James'd be a riot
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Speaker 12: in the streets it's part of.
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Speaker 3: The fabric of Anzac Day now.
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Speaker 12: And look, I like the sentiment of Chris Mins here
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Speaker 12: he's saying, Look, we need to remember, we need to commemorate.
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Speaker 12: I'm not sure that closing the shops from one o'clock
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Speaker 12: in the afternoon. It all sort of seems very nineteen eighties,
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Speaker 12: doesn't it, in the sense that I think we're past
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Speaker 12: all that. And I think, you know, Anzac Day is
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Speaker 12: dedicated to commemoration from the crack of dawn literally until
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Speaker 12: one o'clock in the afternoon, So I'm not sure about
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Speaker 12: closing the shops, to be honest.
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Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's talk about another part of retail,
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Speaker 2: and that's hospitality. Because with the cost of living forcing
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Speaker 2: people to cut back on luxuries like eating out, hospitality
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Speaker 2: businesses are failing at nearly twice.
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Speaker 3: The rate of a decade ago.
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Speaker 2: According to ACIC data, more than fifteen hundred cafes and
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Speaker 2: restaurants shut up shop last financial year. Industry experts say
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Speaker 2: soaring food and energy prices, plus rises in rents and
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Speaker 2: insurance costs are pushing more businesses to the brink of collapse. So, Caroline,
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Speaker 2: we've got this weird situation, right, where the government are
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Speaker 2: happy to put billions of dollars into renewables. We've got
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Speaker 2: huge funding for quantum computers and small businesses will they
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Speaker 2: get or was it three hundred and twenty five dollars
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Speaker 2: to offset their power bills?
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Speaker 3: How's that fair?
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Speaker 11: Well, it's not fair, but it's very virtuous of the government,
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Speaker 11: isn't it to force us all to use this type
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Speaker 11: of clean energy while people are struggling to even afford
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Speaker 11: to keep their heaters on or run their businesses. So
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Speaker 11: it would seem maybe they can get one of those
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Speaker 11: quantum computers to serve us our coffee and our launches,
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Speaker 11: and that could be the solution. But of course that
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Speaker 11: will see even more people out of a job. Look,
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Speaker 11: there's been a thirty percent increase in average food costs,
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Speaker 11: there's been in the past few years. There's been doubling
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Speaker 11: in insurance costs and rent. It's just not viable for
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Speaker 11: many people to continue to work in the hospitality industry.
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Speaker 11: Add to that the skills and trade shortages as well.
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Speaker 11: The industry warns that if the government can't rain an
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Speaker 11: inflation where they're either going to have to more people
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Speaker 11: are going to have to go broke. And shut up shop,
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Speaker 11: or we're going to be paying ten dollars for a
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Speaker 11: cappuccino or one hundred dollars for a stake. And I
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Speaker 11: don't know what kind of quid you're on here, but
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Speaker 11: I definitely can't have bought one hundred dollars stake in chips.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what quid I'm on. I will pay
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Speaker 2: any amount of money for my morning coffee.
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Speaker 3: Caroline. I can't can't function.
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Speaker 2: Without Patrick just talking about, you know, the three hundred
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Speaker 2: and twenty five dollars stop to business for their energy prices.
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Speaker 2: The government really haven't got much bounce from that money
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Speaker 2: released to people on July first, have they. Everyone's sort
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Speaker 2: of taken it. It's absorbed and forgotten about.
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Speaker 12: Look at the last electricity bill I got was more
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Speaker 12: than the one before, and more than the same one
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Speaker 12: last year. It doesn't really hasn't really made any impact.
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Speaker 12: It doesn't feel like it's made any impact. It doesn't
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Speaker 12: feel like you're saving any money with those energy bills
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Speaker 12: just to go higher and higher. It's not something people
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Speaker 12: are talking about. It's not something that people are accrediting
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Speaker 12: for making life easier and going back to what you
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Speaker 12: were saying before. I mean the cost of cheese is
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Speaker 12: doubled apparently in the last two years or the last
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Speaker 12: year or something. People don't have any money to spend anymore,
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Speaker 12: and seventy five bucks off the energy bill isn't really
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Speaker 12: making any difference.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well, today dozens of pro Palestinian protesters converged on the
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Speaker 2: University of Melbourne's Parkful campus to protest as the UNI
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Speaker 2: began disciplinary hearings for students who occupied a university building
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Speaker 2: for ten days last month. Now, don't forget this is
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Speaker 2: twenty four hours after the Prime Minister appointed a special
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Speaker 2: envoy to combat anti Semitism. Caroline, those students who occupied
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Speaker 2: university buildings for ten days, stopping classes, intimidating Jewish students,
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Speaker 2: I mean, they'll be lucky not to be expelled. Why
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Speaker 2: are people protesting the disciplinary action?
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Speaker 11: Well, I mean, expulsion is something they can potentially face
20:14
Speaker 11: in their disciplinary action. But look, we all know it's
20:17
Speaker 11: more likely they're going to get a warning or some
20:19
Speaker 11: other kind of slap on the wrist, maybe a suspension.
20:22
Speaker 11: They should really a lot of them be facing criminal charges,
20:24
Speaker 11: especially for chanting what are calls for genocide and terror
20:29
Speaker 11: slogans on the street. I mean Intofata, as we know,
20:33
Speaker 11: refers to the two waves of terror that Palestinian terrorists
20:37
Speaker 11: are carried out against Israelis in the nineties and the noughties,
20:41
Speaker 11: and to have people openly chanting that on the streets
20:44
Speaker 11: is outrageous. But the students somehow make it, somehow say
20:50
Speaker 11: that it's about the university having some kind of Islamophobia
20:55
Speaker 11: or Palestinian anti Palestinian racism. So maybe they need the
20:59
Speaker 11: new Islamophobia and boy special Envoy that the PM's about
21:03
Speaker 11: to announce to handle their concerns.
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Speaker 2: Now, well, I mean that protest just looked to me
21:07
Speaker 2: like people trying to intimidate the university leaders even further.
21:11
Speaker 2: So on and on it continues, Caroline Patrick, appreciate you both,
21:15
Speaker 2: thanks for your time. Well after the break, more onerous
21:18
Speaker 2: green tape could be on the way if Labour caves
21:20
Speaker 2: to the Greens who are demanding a climate trigger. Plus,
21:24
Speaker 2: we'll get the latest from the NATO summit as leaders
21:26
Speaker 2: grow concerned about Biden's ability to lead the free world.
21:29
Speaker 3: All of that in just a moment. Welcome back still
21:36
Speaker 3: to come.
21:37
Speaker 2: All eyes are on Joe Biden as the NATO summit
21:39
Speaker 2: gets underway. Just how viable is an alliance with the
21:42
Speaker 2: US when its leadership is so questionable. But first, concern
21:47
Speaker 2: is mounting among business groups, farmers and miners that Labor
21:50
Speaker 2: is set to impose even more onerous green tape on them.
21:54
Speaker 2: The alliance is demanding that Environment Minister Tenua Plibasek give
21:58
Speaker 2: clearer detail on the National environ Mental Protection Agency, which
22:01
Speaker 2: effectively is like a green cop and in particular rule
22:05
Speaker 2: out using a climate trigger. The fear is that Labour
22:09
Speaker 2: could use the creation of a climate trigger as a
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Speaker 2: bargaining chip with the Greens to get legislation over the line,
22:15
Speaker 2: and that could spell the end for so many of
22:17
Speaker 2: the industries that our national prosperity is built upon, not
22:21
Speaker 2: to mention undermining the government's own Made in Australia agenda.
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Speaker 2: So for more on this, let's bring in the Environment
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Speaker 2: editor at The Australian, Graham Lloyd Graham, Thanks for joining me.
22:31
Speaker 2: Just let's start off so viewers can understand what we
22:35
Speaker 2: actually mean by a climate trigger.
22:37
Speaker 3: Can you explain that.
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Speaker 15: For me, Good evening, James. A climate trigger is an
22:46
Speaker 15: opportunity for the regulator or the government to look at
22:50
Speaker 15: the climate impact of any project in terms of what
22:55
Speaker 15: it would do to Australia's carbon dioxide emissions or other
22:59
Speaker 15: issues that are considered within that package of climate impacts.
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Speaker 15: As things stand, the federal government has quite limited role
23:09
Speaker 15: in deciding major projects under the EPBC. They're confined to
23:14
Speaker 15: things such as World Heritage listings and other things that
23:17
Speaker 15: are federal responsibilities. Not states introduce a climate trigger that
23:24
Speaker 15: expands dramatically the remit of the Commonwealth in having a
23:29
Speaker 15: role in the decision making process about a whole range
23:32
Speaker 15: of things that it doesn't have now.
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Speaker 2: So, as I said, a whole range of industries and
23:37
Speaker 2: groups are very concerned about this. What's the likelihood that
23:40
Speaker 2: the government will introduce such a trigger? Obviously the Greens
23:43
Speaker 2: are pushing hard for it.
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Speaker 15: Well, it's something that the Greens have been wedded to
23:51
Speaker 15: for a long period of time. In fact, the Prime
23:53
Speaker 15: Minister many many years ago, when he was an environment minister,
23:57
Speaker 15: he was in favor of this sort of mechanism. Since then,
24:01
Speaker 15: the advice is that these matters in terms of climate
24:05
Speaker 15: impact are taken care of in other ways. But the
24:09
Speaker 15: Greens are going to bargain very hard and it's a
24:12
Speaker 15: real test for the Albanezy government whether it will cave
24:16
Speaker 15: into the Greens demands given the loss of votes over
24:20
Speaker 15: to the left and the competition with the Greens that's
24:23
Speaker 15: building for the next election.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, Well that the irony of all of this, Graham,
24:28
Speaker 2: is that Labour's future made an Australia Plan relies on
24:32
Speaker 2: the sorts of industries a climate trigger would impact. So
24:35
Speaker 2: it begs the question if a climate trigger came into
24:38
Speaker 2: effect as a sop to the Greens, would Labor ever
24:41
Speaker 2: be able to realize their future made an Australia agenda.
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Speaker 15: Well, I think the thing you have to consider is
24:47
Speaker 15: the average time takes to consider anything under the EPBC
24:52
Speaker 15: is one thousand days. And if you have a situation
24:56
Speaker 15: where practically anything can be referred for review, it'll come
25:00
Speaker 15: up the works right the way through. And it's a
25:03
Speaker 15: lot more than the future made in Australia will have
25:05
Speaker 15: to be worried about.
25:07
Speaker 2: Just before I let you go, the CEO of Transgrid,
25:10
Speaker 2: Brett Redman, he sought to ease concerns when it comes
25:13
Speaker 2: to the expansion of New South Wales transmission grid. Thousands
25:18
Speaker 2: of kilometers of wires need to be rolled out to
25:20
Speaker 2: connect renewable energy projects, but the company's projects are facing
25:24
Speaker 2: cost blowouts and delays. Now I reported on Monday that
25:27
Speaker 2: a two point three billion dollar energy cable connecting New
25:30
Speaker 2: South Wales and South Australia is facing budget blowouts and
25:34
Speaker 2: taking longer than expected. The Spanish contract that reportedly is
25:38
Speaker 2: late paying its bills and has been so for the
25:41
Speaker 2: past year. So we're not exactly being reassured that these
25:46
Speaker 2: projects are going to come on time without enormous blowouts.
25:51
Speaker 2: And of course where does that leave us with energy security?
25:56
Speaker 15: Well, this is the area that would be causing a
25:59
Speaker 15: lot of sleepless nights in the government and industry that
26:04
Speaker 15: there's a big difference between hope and delivery, and the
26:08
Speaker 15: delivery side of the equation in the whole renewables transition
26:11
Speaker 15: is over budget and behind schedule, and now there's a
26:15
Speaker 15: lot of promises that things can be brought back on track,
26:18
Speaker 15: but it's an experience that's being shared right around the world,
26:23
Speaker 15: including rising costs because of inflation and everybody wanting to
26:28
Speaker 15: do the same thing at the same time. So optimism
26:31
Speaker 15: is good to have, but we really need to see
26:34
Speaker 15: these things delivered to make that a reality.
26:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, if Chris Bowen's optimism kept the lights on,
26:41
Speaker 2: we'd all be fine. But as you said, that's not
26:44
Speaker 2: going to cut at Graham, Lloyd, appreciate your time. Let's
26:48
Speaker 2: move now to the world stage. With NATO leaders having
26:51
Speaker 2: assembled in Washington for their latest summit, missing in action
26:56
Speaker 2: was our Prime Minister sending instead Defense Minister Richard Mules. Now, granted,
27:01
Speaker 2: we're not a NATO member, but given the PM has
27:04
Speaker 2: attended the last two summits, some view his absence as
27:07
Speaker 2: a snub to our allies, or perhaps just a way
27:11
Speaker 2: to dispel his image as Airbus elbow. What makes it worse, though,
27:15
Speaker 2: is the fact that Japan, South Korea, and New Zealand
27:18
Speaker 2: are attending, leaving Australia as an Indo Pacific outlier. But
27:23
Speaker 2: of course Albanese's absence is really just a subplot. The
27:26
Speaker 2: main story is clearly Joe Biden and the question over
27:29
Speaker 2: his fitness to lead.
27:31
Speaker 3: The free world.
27:32
Speaker 2: In a sign of just how low the bar is
27:34
Speaker 2: being set for the US President, Biden did manage to
27:38
Speaker 2: get through his speech, which largely focused on Ukraine's battle
27:41
Speaker 2: against Russia, but he got through it without flubbing his
27:44
Speaker 2: lines or wandering off on totally incoherent rants, which everyone
27:47
Speaker 2: thought was amazing.
27:50
Speaker 10: We know Putin won't stop at Ukraine, but make no mistake,
27:54
Speaker 10: Ukraine can and will stop Pudin. It's good that we're
27:59
Speaker 10: stronger than never because this moment history calls for our
28:04
Speaker 10: collective strength autocrats on overturned global order, the United States
28:11
Speaker 10: and our partners in terms of provide your creme with
28:13
Speaker 10: dozens of additional tactical area defense systems.
28:17
Speaker 2: His speechwriters have clearly learned a lesson very short sentences.
28:21
Speaker 2: Joining me now to discuss the summit and the broader
28:23
Speaker 2: geopolitical implications. His senior analyst at the Australian Strategic Polsy Institute,
28:29
Speaker 2: Malcolm Davis, Good evening, Malcolm.
28:31
Speaker 3: I will get into all.
28:32
Speaker 2: The details of the summit in a moment, But does
28:35
Speaker 2: it concern you that much of the focus on Biden's
28:37
Speaker 2: performance rather than substance.
28:41
Speaker 3: People didn't care.
28:42
Speaker 2: So much what he said is just the fact he
28:45
Speaker 2: was able to say it without making a fool of himself.
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Speaker 1: Well, look, obviously people did care about what he said
28:52
Speaker 1: in terms of this being a really important NATO summit,
28:55
Speaker 1: that's the seventy fifth anniversary of NATO. The summit is
28:59
Speaker 1: being held again the backdrop of a brutal war by
29:01
Speaker 1: Russia against Ukraine that potentially runs the risk of extending
29:06
Speaker 1: into NATO itself. But you're right in the sense that
29:09
Speaker 1: the United States is the leader of NATO, and if
29:12
Speaker 1: you have the President of the United States effectively potentially
29:16
Speaker 1: not up to doing the job, that creates a real
29:19
Speaker 1: sense of emergency and crisis within the alliance. So I
29:22
Speaker 1: think quite understandably, given that disastrous debate on CNN a
29:27
Speaker 1: few weeks ago, there was a lot of attention on
29:30
Speaker 1: how Biden handled himself in that debate in the speech,
29:37
Speaker 1: and I think we need to remember that that speech
29:40
Speaker 1: was being run through a teleprompter and he wasn't speaking
29:43
Speaker 1: off the cuff.
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Speaker 13: Yeah.
29:45
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Well, there's been a strong shove support at the
29:48
Speaker 2: summit for Ukraine, with NATO nations providing new strategic.
29:52
Speaker 3: Air defense systems.
29:54
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you to think that's enough, particularly
29:57
Speaker 2: given the horrendous attack on the children's hospital in Kiev
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Speaker 2: just a few days ago.
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Speaker 1: Look, whatever is provided is never enough in the sense
30:07
Speaker 1: that Ukraine is fighting for its very existence. Russia is
30:10
Speaker 1: not interested in peace in Ukraine. It wants Ukraine in pieces.
30:15
Speaker 1: It basically wants the complete destruction of Ukraine and the
30:18
Speaker 1: annihilation of the Ukrainian state. So whatever we give Ukraine,
30:22
Speaker 1: we need to give more. And although we're giving them
30:26
Speaker 1: advanced air defense capabilities, probably isn't sufficient in a military
30:30
Speaker 1: sense to be able to counter everything that Russia can
30:33
Speaker 1: throw out Ukraine. And I think that after that attack
30:36
Speaker 1: on the children's hospital, there should be some discussion within
30:40
Speaker 1: NATO as to what it can do beyond simply providing
30:44
Speaker 1: weapon systems. I think the key thing that Zelenski will
30:47
Speaker 1: be looking for from NATO will be to lift any
30:52
Speaker 1: constraints on the use of US supplied weapons in terms
30:57
Speaker 1: of attacking targets inside Russia. If that, if those constraints
31:01
Speaker 1: remain in place, and if there's not a clear path
31:04
Speaker 1: for Ukraine to join NATO, then I think Zelensky will
31:07
Speaker 1: be quite rightly disappointed at the outcome of the summer.
31:10
Speaker 2: I mentioned that the PM has sent Richard Miles as
31:13
Speaker 2: his proxy. Do you think the PM should have attended?
31:16
Speaker 2: And secondly, is Australia doing enough to support NATO in
31:20
Speaker 2: this effort.
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Speaker 1: My short answer is, of course the PM should have attended.
31:26
Speaker 1: I'm sure Deputy Prime Minister and Defense Minister Richard Miles
31:29
Speaker 1: will do a great job. But the fact is that
31:31
Speaker 1: the IP four, those four Indo Pacific states that are
31:35
Speaker 1: associate partners to NATO, South Korea, Japan, Australia and New Zealand.
31:40
Speaker 1: Those three states South Korea, Japan and New Zealand all
31:43
Speaker 1: sent their political leaders. We sent the Deputy Prime Minister
31:48
Speaker 1: and Defense Minister. I think Prime Minister Albanese should have
31:52
Speaker 1: made the effort. Given the importance of this summit, and
31:55
Speaker 1: given the context at which is occurring, and the fact
31:58
Speaker 1: that NATO is increasingly playing a role in the Indo
32:02
Speaker 1: Pacific and in terms of Australian assistance to Ukraine, of
32:06
Speaker 1: course we should lift it. We should dramatically lift it
32:09
Speaker 1: in terms of what we can offer them. We're about
32:12
Speaker 1: to retire the Ossi Tiger helicopters and replace them with
32:16
Speaker 1: the Apache attack helicopter. Why not give the Ossi Tiger
32:20
Speaker 1: helicopter to Ukraine and allow them to have a new
32:22
Speaker 1: attack helicopter capability they can use to attack Russian forces needs.
32:27
Speaker 1: The government needs to consider all requests coming from Ukraine
32:31
Speaker 1: and not just dismiss them outright now.
32:33
Speaker 2: Of course, Donald Trump is not part of the summit,
32:35
Speaker 2: but he would be at the forefront of everybody's minds
32:38
Speaker 2: because we know he's not a big fan of NATO,
32:41
Speaker 2: and yet there's a good chance he'll be elected come November.
32:44
Speaker 2: So surely NATO leaders would have to be planning for
32:46
Speaker 2: a Trump presidency.
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Speaker 1: I think they are, and I think you'll notice that
32:53
Speaker 1: Richard Miles and his delegation meeting with members of the
32:56
Speaker 1: Trump team. I think that's entirely appropriate. I think that
33:01
Speaker 1: after the disastrous performance of President Biden in the CNN debate,
33:06
Speaker 1: the chances of a Biden victory in November are very
33:09
Speaker 1: slim indeed, so therefore NATO as an alliance needs to
33:13
Speaker 1: prepare for a second Trump administration. Trump will put intense
33:17
Speaker 1: pressure on NATO to lift its game in terms of
33:20
Speaker 1: defense spending and contributions to European security, and I think
33:23
Speaker 1: Europe should do this, and I think what you're seeing
33:26
Speaker 1: is European states starting to essentially plan for increased defense
33:31
Speaker 1: spending not just to placate Trump, but prepare for also
33:36
Speaker 1: the possibility that Russia, if it secures its victory in Ukraine,
33:41
Speaker 1: would then turn its attentions to NATO. And you have
33:44
Speaker 1: the prospect that a Russian victory in Ukraine could then
33:48
Speaker 1: set the stage for a much bigger and much more
33:51
Speaker 1: dangerous war in Europe a year or two later.
33:55
Speaker 2: Just before you go, the Signals Directorate yesterday released the
33:58
Speaker 2: details of Chinese hacker is backed by Beijing, responsible for
34:02
Speaker 2: a number of hacks in Australia. It's great the government's
34:05
Speaker 2: been forthcoming about what the Chinese are up to. But
34:08
Speaker 2: unless pressure is put on Beijing over this sort of activity,
34:11
Speaker 2: and that begs the question what sort of pressure could
34:13
Speaker 2: we apply? But what's the point of releasing this information
34:17
Speaker 2: if that's all it is? Just releasing the information.
34:22
Speaker 1: The point is to alert the Australian community, in terms
34:26
Speaker 1: of a government or organizations, private sector, individual users to
34:31
Speaker 1: the threat that Chinese cyber warfare capabilities pose. This was
34:37
Speaker 1: a group called APT forty that was operating on behalf
34:40
Speaker 1: of the Chinese government. So this was essentially a Chinese
34:43
Speaker 1: government cyber warfare attack on Australia. And I think that
34:47
Speaker 1: the Australian Signals Director did the right thing by highlighting
34:51
Speaker 1: this attack, by making it clear to the Australian public
34:55
Speaker 1: what is going on. And you're right Obviously, we ideally
34:59
Speaker 1: would like to put press sure on China to get
35:01
Speaker 1: them to cease and desist, but we have to accept
35:03
Speaker 1: the fact that China is never going to cease and desist.
35:06
Speaker 1: So the best thing we can do is defend against
35:08
Speaker 1: these sorts of attacks. The only way we can do
35:10
Speaker 1: that is to shine a spotlight on Chinese activities and
35:14
Speaker 1: defend against them.
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Speaker 2: Malcolm Davis, appreciate your time this evening. Well after the
35:20
Speaker 2: break with the voice thankfully defeated, there's still the lingering
35:23
Speaker 2: question of how to address the disadvantage faced by some
35:27
Speaker 2: indigenous communities.
35:29
Speaker 3: Will just enter.
35:29
Speaker 2: Prices outlined a powerful plan which I'll get into shortly.
35:33
Speaker 2: Plus why the silence from so called greenies when it
35:36
Speaker 2: comes to the death of endangered eagles because of wind farms.
35:39
Speaker 3: All of that coming up in a moment.
35:46
Speaker 2: Well still to come, Kel Richards with plenty of words
35:48
Speaker 2: to get through, but first let's bring in the panel.
35:51
Speaker 2: L NPMP Luke Howarth and senior fellow of the Menzies
35:54
Speaker 2: Research Center, columnist with the Australian Nick Cater, gentlemen, thanks
35:59
Speaker 2: for joining me. Senator just into Nampajimber Price has revealed
36:03
Speaker 2: her vision of an advancement movement for Indigenous affairs following
36:08
Speaker 2: the failed Voice referendum, saying there's a second way to
36:12
Speaker 2: close the gap now. She outlines this vision in an
36:16
Speaker 2: essay for The Australian's sixtieth anniversary Collector's Edition magazine, which
36:20
Speaker 2: will be published on Saturday, and she says that under
36:24
Speaker 2: this advancement movement, we are all Australians and the Indigenous
36:29
Speaker 2: culture will be respected like never before when Indigenous Australians
36:33
Speaker 2: are making it thrive under their own steam and not
36:37
Speaker 2: as part of a welfare industry. Nick Senator Price also
36:42
Speaker 2: argues Indigenous Australians on welfare should take up the jobs
36:45
Speaker 2: currently done by fly in flyout workers.
36:49
Speaker 3: What's your view on that.
36:51
Speaker 16: I think this is an e mentally practical and sensible suggestion.
36:55
Speaker 16: I was in the town of yunder Moods, actually just
36:58
Speaker 16: in the Price's hometown about ten years ago, and there
37:02
Speaker 16: were two guys there who'd driven all the way from
37:03
Speaker 16: Alice Springs to fix locks on the doors, and when
37:07
Speaker 16: they went to fix it, they found it was the
37:08
Speaker 16: wrong lot. They had to go back to Alice Springs
37:10
Speaker 16: four hours there, four hours back. And this is crazy
37:13
Speaker 16: when you get a town like Yindamu, which is I
37:15
Speaker 16: think close to fifteen hundred or more people. If it
37:18
Speaker 16: was a country town in Victoria, there would be somebody
37:21
Speaker 16: who'd take up the job and fix that stuff. It's
37:23
Speaker 16: common sense and we just have to put all the
37:26
Speaker 16: right incentives in place so that Indigenous people to empower
37:29
Speaker 16: Indigenous people to take care of themselves and to fill
37:34
Speaker 16: the great positive benefits of working. So immenseally positive and
37:38
Speaker 16: practical solution as you'd expect from just Enterprise.
37:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, I must say, Luke, the timing could not be
37:44
Speaker 2: better for a Senator Price. She's putting out what is
37:47
Speaker 2: a very practical, very sensible suggestion for moving forward in
37:52
Speaker 2: helping Indigenous disadvantage. Meanwhile, the Indigenous Affairs Minister Linda Bernie
37:58
Speaker 2: took forever to say anything about the violence in Ella
38:02
Speaker 2: Springs recently and pretty much has not done anything at
38:05
Speaker 2: all since the Voice referendum failed. So just center Price
38:09
Speaker 2: really is looking like the leader on these issues.
38:14
Speaker 9: Well, just inter number Jimmer Price has lived experience. You know,
38:17
Speaker 9: she's an Indigenous woman that's lived in remote parts of
38:21
Speaker 9: the Northern Territory and she cares for the Australian people.
38:25
Speaker 9: She wants a better life, She wants to close the
38:27
Speaker 9: gap for Indigenous Australians and is taking her role really
38:31
Speaker 9: seriously and has proposed that under a coalition government that
38:35
Speaker 9: we would do in audit to make sure that Indigenous
38:39
Speaker 9: welfare and the dollar that's been spent and the programs
38:42
Speaker 9: that are in place are getting the best outcomes for
38:45
Speaker 9: Indigenous Australians because at the moment we're failing. The gap
38:49
Speaker 9: hasn't closed. So what's working and what the Left currently
38:52
Speaker 9: advocate for is not working. Jacinterer is out there with
38:56
Speaker 9: new ideas, with new policies and wants to achieve results.
39:00
Speaker 9: And you can't ask for more than that in a
39:02
Speaker 9: shadow minister or a minister in government.
39:04
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
39:05
Speaker 2: A major wind farm has just been approved for Tasmania,
39:09
Speaker 2: despite concerns it could kill up to eighty one endangered
39:12
Speaker 2: Tasmanian wedge tailed eagles over the lifespan of the wind farm.
39:16
Speaker 2: Opponents have called on Environment Minister Tenia Plibiseik to intervene
39:20
Speaker 2: and block the project. Nick it doesn't sound very environmentally
39:24
Speaker 2: friendly this wind turbine.
39:26
Speaker 4: Does it.
39:27
Speaker 16: This is a reality, of course, James, that they don't
39:30
Speaker 16: take me notice of you know in the teal seats
39:32
Speaker 16: and the green seeds that if you get a one
39:35
Speaker 16: hundred meter long carbon fiber bayed wearing weighing several tons
39:40
Speaker 16: and it comes into contact with a wedge tail legal,
39:42
Speaker 16: you know who's going to come off worst. It's just obvious.
39:45
Speaker 16: Plus all the destruction of the countryside to put in
39:48
Speaker 16: those huge concrete pads and the height of these things.
39:51
Speaker 16: The new ones are well over two hundred meters high
39:54
Speaker 16: from the tip of the blade to the ground. That's
39:56
Speaker 16: about the size of the Star Casino building in Sydney.
40:01
Speaker 16: So we just have to stop these madness, this madness,
40:05
Speaker 16: it's not the way forward. It won't give us a
40:06
Speaker 16: reliable supply of electorcity and it will continue damaging our
40:10
Speaker 16: natural environment and our wildlife.
40:13
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of madness, there's a push to change the
40:16
Speaker 2: name of Sydney's Cooks River to gulai Yara. I think
40:19
Speaker 2: that's how you pronounce it. This has been slammed as
40:23
Speaker 2: another lame attempt to rewrite our history by One Nation
40:27
Speaker 2: MP Tenure Mihaluk. Here's an Indigenous man, Gregory Andrews, speaking
40:32
Speaker 2: to ABC Radio Sydney about the bid to change the
40:35
Speaker 2: river's name.
40:37
Speaker 14: Maybe people could think about it similarly to Ularou, but
40:42
Speaker 14: most people think of Laroo now as a Laru, not
40:45
Speaker 14: Airs Rock, because it was always called Larou and then
40:49
Speaker 14: some white fellas came along, you know, a few hundred
40:52
Speaker 14: years ago or even a bit less than that, and
40:55
Speaker 14: started calling it after a bloke called Airs who was
40:57
Speaker 14: probably the explorer at the time, like the Cooks River
41:01
Speaker 14: was James Cook. So it's not really renaming, it's getting
41:06
Speaker 14: it back the name that it's always had Luke.
41:09
Speaker 2: If you follow that logic, do we end up with
41:11
Speaker 2: a situation where we literally have to rename everything?
41:17
Speaker 12: Well, this is the issue.
41:18
Speaker 9: I mean, we want to embrace Australian history, but we
41:21
Speaker 9: want to embrace our British history as well, and so
41:25
Speaker 9: renaming the Cooks River to a different name. I think
41:28
Speaker 9: this is down in the Prime Minister's electric down in
41:30
Speaker 9: that part of Sydney, down that way. I mean, where
41:33
Speaker 9: is he on these issues? The guy's completely silent. You know,
41:36
Speaker 9: he spent half a billion dollars on a referendum that
41:39
Speaker 9: failed and on these sort of issues he's got no
41:41
Speaker 9: backbone and won't take a stand. But Australian tore sick
41:44
Speaker 9: of this, so just you know, the river's called something.
41:47
Speaker 9: Leave it that way. We can still have other names,
41:49
Speaker 9: indigenous names as well, but we don't have to rename
41:52
Speaker 9: every landmark in Australia to an Indigenous name now in
41:55
Speaker 9: order to achieve reconciliation. And that's what the Green labor
41:59
Speaker 9: parts of Left Agenda are trying to sell that this
42:03
Speaker 9: is how you achieve reconciliation. It's not get on and
42:06
Speaker 9: improve people's lives, like the policies that sent the Gimber
42:10
Speaker 9: price are proposing that we just spoke about before. It
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Speaker 9: won't do that by changing the name of a river.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, changing the name of a river changes not a
42:18
Speaker 2: single person's life, but it does create more division between
42:22
Speaker 2: Indigenous and non Indigenous Australians. Want to ask you about
42:25
Speaker 2: youth crime. Queensland Opposition leader David Chris o' foley has
42:28
Speaker 2: proposed young criminals should be given what he calls adult
42:31
Speaker 2: time for committing adult crimes.
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Speaker 3: Now.
42:34
Speaker 2: Under the proposed changes, children could receive adult sentencing for
42:38
Speaker 2: serious crimes like murder, manslaughter and unlawful use of a
42:43
Speaker 2: motor vehicle. LUCA is a policy like this necessary as
42:47
Speaker 2: a deterrent for young criminals.
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Speaker 9: Well, absolutely it's necessary because what's happening under thirty years
42:54
Speaker 9: of State Labor ruling Queensland is that this they're completely failing,
42:58
Speaker 9: not just on this issue, a whole range of issues.
43:01
Speaker 9: And I've seen it firsthand in my own electorate to Peatree,
43:05
Speaker 9: and David Chrisifully, the state LMP leader, understands it because
43:09
Speaker 9: he's on the ground. He's been out in bridgmand Downs
43:12
Speaker 9: and Newport and parts of my electricate where youth crime
43:15
Speaker 9: is a big issue.
43:16
Speaker 3: I mean, I've got people.
43:17
Speaker 9: That have come together as a community forum and they're scared.
43:21
Speaker 9: They've had break and enners. They've got young youth offenders
43:24
Speaker 9: jumping over their fence and stealing cars. We've got people
43:28
Speaker 9: that are paying for security on weekends on particular nights
43:32
Speaker 9: to stay there twenty four to seven to keep an
43:34
Speaker 9: eye on the place and installing cameras and guard dogs.
43:38
Speaker 9: So the reality is is that this policy that Chris
43:42
Speaker 9: Fully has announced is what Queenslanders expect and if you
43:46
Speaker 9: vote for Labor you'll get more of the same out
43:49
Speaker 9: of the Miles government. If you want change and you
43:51
Speaker 9: want you know, better outcomes, and then Chrisafully is right
43:57
Speaker 9: in this decision, and so the state, the federal p
44:00
Speaker 9: members up here fully support him, and I think it's
44:03
Speaker 9: a popular policy. And let's face it, labor on the
44:06
Speaker 9: nose up here in the sooner October rolls around the better.
44:09
Speaker 2: All right, before we go, Nick, you're in Paris at
44:13
Speaker 2: the moment, and obviously we saw the riots break out
44:16
Speaker 2: just the other day following the election result.
44:18
Speaker 3: What's the mood like there on the ground.
44:21
Speaker 16: I think it's a lot calmer than it would have
44:23
Speaker 16: been if Marilla Penn's probably more national Nale had done better.
44:29
Speaker 16: I think the left are very pleased with the result
44:32
Speaker 16: as it happens. But the interesting thing about all the
44:34
Speaker 16: violence that almost all the violence that you're seeing in
44:37
Speaker 16: Paris and indeed some other capital cities in Europe, it's
44:41
Speaker 16: all driven by the left, you know. And there's this
44:42
Speaker 16: anti fascist movement, you know, Antifa are big here that
44:46
Speaker 16: their tactic is actually to go out and use violence
44:49
Speaker 16: in the streets as part of their political ends. It's
44:52
Speaker 16: a very horrible situation. But the people of France obviously
44:58
Speaker 16: are onto this and the re the surgeon interest for
45:02
Speaker 16: rissemblim on national Now, which went from eighty eight seats
45:04
Speaker 16: to one hundred and forty three shows that the tide
45:07
Speaker 16: is turning, if not fast enough for some of us.
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Speaker 2: Well, Nick and Luke, thanks for your time, appreciate it.
45:13
Speaker 3: After the break words matter with Kel Richards. That's in
45:16
Speaker 3: a moment.
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Speaker 2: Well, joining us now as always on a Wednesday, is
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Speaker 2: wordsmith and broadcaster Kel Richards. Kel Viewers as always writing
45:28
Speaker 2: in wanting to know what words and phrases mean. Let's
45:31
Speaker 2: go with Lorraine's question. She wants to know whether the
45:34
Speaker 2: phrase if I'm Arthur.
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Speaker 6: Or I love discovering when these familiar expressions were coined here,
45:43
Speaker 6: Ossie's a.
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Speaker 3: Great well, Arthur and Martha are very Australian names. Let's
45:47
Speaker 3: be honest, that's true.
45:48
Speaker 6: Coin The first example we've got in printuce from nineteen
45:52
Speaker 6: forty eight from the Sydney Truth newspaper, one of the
45:54
Speaker 6: great tabloids of all time, and it meant when it
45:57
Speaker 6: first appeared sexual confusion, but it very rapidly came to
46:02
Speaker 6: mean just generally confused about absolutely anything. And it's the
46:05
Speaker 6: bit of rhyming that made it hang around and become
46:08
Speaker 6: part of our language. And I think we've given it
46:10
Speaker 6: to the rest of the world now.
46:12
Speaker 2: Okay, this question, I think you get quite a bit,
46:15
Speaker 2: but let's go to it. Because people do seem confused.
46:17
Speaker 2: Brian wants to know what does it mean when someone
46:20
Speaker 2: says that they're being gas lit.
46:22
Speaker 6: Yes, commentators and hosts and on will say, oh, they're
46:26
Speaker 6: gaslighting us. And because we know what it means, we
46:28
Speaker 6: think everyone knows what it means. If someone is gaslighting you.
46:32
Speaker 6: They want you to stop thinking what you're thinking on
46:35
Speaker 6: the grounds that you're mad and you cannot trust the
46:38
Speaker 6: evidence of your own senses. You thought Biden lost the debate. No, no, no,
46:42
Speaker 6: no no, don't trust what you saw or heard, George.
46:46
Speaker 6: So that's what it is. They're trying to convince you
46:48
Speaker 6: you can't trust your own mind. Comes from a movie
46:51
Speaker 6: nine and forty eight movie in which Charles Boyer was
46:54
Speaker 6: a murderer and he was trying to persuade his young
46:56
Speaker 6: wife played by Ingrid Bergman, that she was mad.
46:59
Speaker 1: She was going off ahead.
47:00
Speaker 6: So when someone is trying to change your mind by
47:02
Speaker 6: saying you can't trust your brain, it's unreliable.
47:05
Speaker 3: Sorry with the movie, what's the connection with gas oh?
47:08
Speaker 6: Because when he committed a murder that it's in the
47:10
Speaker 6: era of gas lighting in homes. The gas dimmed when
47:14
Speaker 6: he was killing someone. Right, You've got to see the
47:16
Speaker 6: movie sometimes, great old movie.
47:17
Speaker 3: I'm going to go home straight after the program and
47:19
Speaker 3: watch it. All right.
47:20
Speaker 2: Dawn wants to know where the team whipper snapper originated
47:23
Speaker 2: and is it a term of endearment, like if you
47:25
Speaker 2: called me a young whipper snapper, which of course you would, well,
47:29
Speaker 2: are you complimenting me or are you having me on?
47:32
Speaker 6: Nowadays I would be it's become a term of fondness.
47:36
Speaker 3: We apply it to children.
47:37
Speaker 6: But sixteen hundreds, when it first appeared, it meant a diminutive, insignificant,
47:42
Speaker 6: unimportant person. The implication was it was someone who needed
47:46
Speaker 6: the whip snapped over them to get them going. So
47:49
Speaker 6: it was a bit of an offensive term when it
47:51
Speaker 6: first was born, But that was the sixteen hundreds, and
47:53
Speaker 6: it's become softer over the years.
47:55
Speaker 2: All right, last one, and we've only got a few
47:57
Speaker 2: moments left. But the phrase there's more than one way
48:00
Speaker 2: to skin a.
48:00
Speaker 6: Cat means there's more than one way to do what
48:03
Speaker 6: the task is, and it's part of a group of phrases.
48:06
Speaker 6: There were lots of versions of it. There's more way
48:08
Speaker 6: to kill a cat than were feeding a cream. There
48:11
Speaker 6: were lots of these things. They were born in America
48:13
Speaker 6: early eighteen hundreds. We don't know why, and I don't
48:16
Speaker 6: even know if it's true that there's more than one
48:18
Speaker 6: way to skin a cat. I just know that this
48:20
Speaker 6: group of phrases were born in America at that time.
48:23
Speaker 6: To say there are other ways of doing.
48:25
Speaker 2: It, it makes me wonder if there was ever a
48:26
Speaker 2: time where skinning cats was common.
48:28
Speaker 6: Cat and why were cats always the villains.
48:30
Speaker 2: Well, I'm a dog person, so I totally understand the
48:33
Speaker 2: sentiment behind it.
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Speaker 3: I appreciate you joining me tonight.
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Speaker 2: Well, thank you for your company tonight as well, But
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Speaker 2: don't go anywhere.
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Speaker 3: Coming right up is the Bolt Report