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Mom blames mystery babysitter for kids' hot car death & new 'killer clown' evidence · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius XM Triumph Channel
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Speaker 1: one two. How often do you go on errands with
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Speaker 1: your children? How often do you leave them alone, strapped
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Speaker 1: in car seats while you go in to visit for hours?
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Speaker 1: That's what happened when a young mom, Brittany Valasquiz, leaves
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Speaker 1: her two year old son and ten month old daughter
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Speaker 1: strapped in car seats and where else Arizona? You know
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Speaker 1: how hot it gets there. I don't know how even
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Speaker 1: lizards lived there, dred twenty degrees? You know the rest
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Speaker 1: the children are dead? And is it taught mom? Red?
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Speaker 1: Taught mom all over again? Deja vu? She claims the
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Speaker 1: baby sitter did it? I mean, I see Grace. This
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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Brittany Velasquez,
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Speaker 1: a young mom now suspected in counts of murder and
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Speaker 1: the deaths of two children, a two year old little
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Speaker 1: boy and a ten month old little girl. The children
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Speaker 1: were found dead at nighttime on Monday night, dead in
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Speaker 1: a car part in the driveway of the family's home
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Speaker 1: in Superior. Now. As of right now, police are not
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Speaker 1: saying how the children were killed. Yes, there's a chance
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Speaker 1: that they were a strangle, that they were shot, that
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Speaker 1: they were killed by blunt object. Likely No, they likely
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Speaker 1: died of heat stroke. Arizona authorities say. The mother of
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Speaker 1: the baby and toddle found strapped in the car seats
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Speaker 1: is identified as Brittany Velasquez. Right now, we're not exactly
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Speaker 1: sure about the circumstances surrounding this, but joining me right now,
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Speaker 1: Lauren Howard, psychologists joining us out of New York. Ashley Wilcott,
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Speaker 1: juvenile judge and founder of child crime watch dot com,
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Speaker 1: DNA expert George Skiro, and Larry May her crime Stories
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter Larry, thank you for being with us. Let's
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Speaker 1: just take it from the top. What happened. Here's what
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Speaker 1: police and superiors say. Brittany Valasque West told them that
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Speaker 1: she had left the children at this house inside the
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Speaker 1: car while she went to work for the day, and
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Speaker 1: when she returned fourteen hours later, the children were still
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Speaker 1: in the car and we're dead. She claims that she
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Speaker 1: was leading the children there for a babysitter to pick up,
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Speaker 1: and at this point, she claims the baby's hitter never
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Speaker 1: showed up to get the children. I think I know
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Speaker 1: who it is. I think at Zenda Gonzalez. She went
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Speaker 1: on the run after she murdered Tottenham Casey Anthony's daughter Keeley,
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Speaker 1: and I think she has surfaced now, Superior Arizona. You
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Speaker 1: know what some of the facts I have our bass accwords.
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Speaker 1: Let's get it straight, Larry Mayor. Now, the main fact
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Speaker 1: I had was correct that she was driving and she
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Speaker 1: leaves the children there in the car. Or did she
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Speaker 1: say she took them in the home and went to work.
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Speaker 1: I thought she went to visit someone. She went she
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Speaker 1: went to work at a restaurant and had she had
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Speaker 1: had a twelve hour shift at the restaurant. She told
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Speaker 1: police that she left the children in the car, strapped
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Speaker 1: in their car seats, and they were still strapped in
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Speaker 1: their car seats and still wearing the same clothes when
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Speaker 1: she returned at eleven o'clock that night to pick them up.
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Speaker 1: So she leaves them there, How does she get to work?
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Speaker 1: She has another vehicle that is taking her to and
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Speaker 1: from work. You mean she hitched a ride or there's
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Speaker 1: another vehicle part to the house. That wasn't clear. She's
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Speaker 1: she has access to two cars, one and and her
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Speaker 1: grandmother was driving one of them and Apparently her grandmother
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Speaker 1: gave her a ride to work and then picked her
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Speaker 1: up at work and drove her back to her car.
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Speaker 1: Hitched a ride, I think, is the answer to that.
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Speaker 1: So is this her grandmother's house. No, apparently this is
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Speaker 1: the house. This is confusing. This is apparently the house
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Speaker 1: of the that she claims was supposed to be babysitting
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Speaker 1: the children. And the woman says she has no idea
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Speaker 1: what what Velasquas is talking about. That she never had
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Speaker 1: any arrangement to watch these children. She had no idea
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Speaker 1: they were there all day, and she certainly never went
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Speaker 1: out to look at them. Authorities say a mother is
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Speaker 1: responsible two young children tiny tots found dead and car
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Speaker 1: seat strapped in a vehicle in a rural Arizona community. Now,
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Speaker 1: this is what we know. Penall County Sheriff's office spokesperson says,
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Speaker 1: a young mom leaves behind two year old Christopher and
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Speaker 1: ten month old daughter Brooklyn strapped in the car seat.
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Speaker 1: But why From what I'm gathering from Larry Mayhor, she
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Speaker 1: goes in parks in an unrelated woman's driveway and leaves
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Speaker 1: the children there, claiming that woman is her babysitter. Larry
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Speaker 1: that appears to be the case. Police have not given
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Speaker 1: the name of the woman or the name of the
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Speaker 1: family who owned the house. Uh, and whether the those
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Speaker 1: two are connected. I'm sort of kind of connecting dots there.
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Speaker 1: I believe that that is the story that she told them,
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Speaker 1: was that the woman at the house was supposed to
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Speaker 1: be babysitting the children. Well, well, let me just break
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Speaker 1: in really quickly, because we have information she parked at
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Speaker 1: the grandparents or the great grandparents house. So wherever she
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Speaker 1: part the car kind of irrelevant because wherever it was part,
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Speaker 1: the people who lived in the house did not know
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Speaker 1: she was parking the car, much less leaving the children
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Speaker 1: in there. And it's also irrelevant as to her claim
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Speaker 1: some unknown, anonymous babysitter was coming to get the children
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Speaker 1: or lived in that house. You know why, because she
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Speaker 1: doesn't exist. Next straight out to Lauren Howards. Psychologists joining
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Speaker 1: us family members have now been quoted as saying that
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Speaker 1: she often left her children alone for hours or even
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Speaker 1: days at a time to go out and socialize and party.
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Speaker 1: I mean, how can you leave a twenty month old
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Speaker 1: and a two year old alone? You can't. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's negligence, It's pure and simple negligence. And I understand
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Speaker 1: that her that the grandparents had pulled child services and
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Speaker 1: said she was unfit and is associative and that they
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Speaker 1: needed to take the children away there. I think the
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Speaker 1: grandparents are in their eighties and said, you know, eighty
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Speaker 1: year olds are not able to take care of a
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Speaker 1: ten month olds and a two year old, and child
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Speaker 1: Protective Services evidently did come, but filed reports did nothing.
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Speaker 1: Well nothing, This is what defacts, says Department Family Children's Services.
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Speaker 1: In both reports, there was no evidence the mother was
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Speaker 1: abusing or neglecting her children. I don't know about you guys,
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Speaker 1: but leaving them alone for days on in is neglecting.
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Speaker 1: There were no concerns raised regarding Ms. Velasquez mental health.
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Speaker 1: No evidence presented that indicated mental health issues. We can
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Speaker 1: only make decisions based on available evidence and what the
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Speaker 1: law allows. You know what, that sounds like b s
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Speaker 1: to me, because yeah, Lauren Howard psychologist joining me out
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Speaker 1: of New York. I don't think she has mentally illness either.
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Speaker 1: She just wanted to leave and be free, so she
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Speaker 1: lea's for hours or days at a time. According to
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Speaker 1: family members, that right there, the children should have been
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Speaker 1: taken away. Okay, but they weren't. And now their dad
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Speaker 1: and you know, child Protective Services is not can't be
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Speaker 1: aware of the fact that she routinely leaves them alone
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Speaker 1: unless they're willing to accept the word of her grandparents.
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Speaker 1: In other words, the investigation that they did sounds to
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Speaker 1: me like a househol talked her for fifteen minutes and
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Speaker 1: less what can you find out in that time. I mean,
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Speaker 1: a psychopath could convince you that they're fine in fifteen minutes.
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Speaker 1: So clearly what you're looking at, and this is this
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Speaker 1: is not unusual. Child Protective Services are understaffed, overworked, and
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Speaker 1: you know they've got is they've got to do in
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Speaker 1: that day, and so how much time was they spending
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Speaker 1: actually investigating what her mental status is? The only real
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Speaker 1: report you're getting is from the grandparents, who you know,
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Speaker 1: we're not believing them or we're saying, oh, well, they're
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Speaker 1: all what do they know? I mean, I can I
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Speaker 1: can address I can address that point if you would
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Speaker 1: like me to, yeah, jump in, yeah, okay. Uh. We
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Speaker 1: have to remember that there are two grandmothers in this case,
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Speaker 1: her grandmother Britney velasque as his grandmother, and then the
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Speaker 1: grandmother of the children. Now, the grandmother of the children
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Speaker 1: is the one who called the police to report the
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Speaker 1: abuse and neglect, and her allegations included that Brittney was
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Speaker 1: leaving the children with her grandmother, who is eighty years
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Speaker 1: old and unfilled. Well, I I don't think that. I
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Speaker 1: don't think that's going to be a problem. Leaving the
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Speaker 1: children with the great grandmother, as far as defects is concerned,
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Speaker 1: they're not going to see that as a problem. However,
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Speaker 1: leaving them alone for days and hours on end is
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Speaker 1: a problem. Now here's the dichotomy. She Brittney Velasquez portrays
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Speaker 1: herself as a doting mother online, but relatives say they
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Speaker 1: reported her to d Facts Department Family Children's Services many
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Speaker 1: many times. And if you look online, which of course
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Speaker 1: I have the last quest, comes across as loving and
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Speaker 1: doating to her children, always posting about them on social media.
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Speaker 1: But that seems to conflict with the relatives reports, the
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Speaker 1: family reports. Now what does that mean, Lauren Howard? We
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Speaker 1: need to shrink for this. What is the the motivation
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Speaker 1: of painting a picture perfect life online when your life
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Speaker 1: is anything but that? Have you noticed that there's all
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Speaker 1: these awfully skinny people in luxury hotspots around the world
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Speaker 1: wearing designer duds. I'm having a hard time believing that's real.
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Speaker 1: This mom same way. It don't confused adoration of your
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Speaker 1: children and uh neglect. I mean the two can go
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Speaker 1: hand in hand. She might have seen them, the children
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Speaker 1: might have represented, you know, on candy to her, and
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Speaker 1: she rapped about how great they learned, how much you
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Speaker 1: adjored them, And that really has nothing to do with
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Speaker 1: her negligence on their behalf. It's very easy to you know,
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Speaker 1: pose on Instagram. Um, look at me and my gorgeous,
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Speaker 1: adorable kids and R and I a great mom and
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Speaker 1: oh I think I'll run off to that party and
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Speaker 1: leave the kids in the car or unaccompanable. Okay, wait
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Speaker 1: a minute, hold on. Listen to this George skiro DNA expert.
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Speaker 1: Hold on, I haven't gotten to the evidence in the
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Speaker 1: car yet. I'm getting there. I'm getting there. Um joining
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Speaker 1: me right now. Ashley Willcott, juvenile judge and founder of
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Speaker 1: child crime watch dot com. Listen to this post. This
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Speaker 1: is her. This is the mom that we now believe
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Speaker 1: leaves her two children in the car to die of
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Speaker 1: heat stroke. Quote. I really can't believe how s h
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Speaker 1: I T t y some other mothers can be. Repeat,
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Speaker 1: I really can't believe how s h I T t
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Speaker 1: y some other mothers can be. It really pisces me off. Ug.
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Speaker 1: Somebody quotes to her, somebody speaking to her, a family member. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: the one day you finally decide to get your kid,
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Speaker 1: you throw them off to go clubbing. It's such a joke. Okay.
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Speaker 1: So there's a war of words going on online as
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Speaker 1: she will cut defects, has been called several times. They
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Speaker 1: don't notice. The family is getting on her case about
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Speaker 1: clubbing well and leaving the children alone. What what are
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Speaker 1: they twiddling their thumbs? Yeah? Once again, I hate to
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Speaker 1: say it, but system fail because these are things that,
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Speaker 1: if they thoroughly investigated, should come to light as to
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Speaker 1: what she's doing or not doing. The other comment I
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Speaker 1: have to make with her is you know that Shakespearean
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Speaker 1: quote thou doth protest too much? There it is, and
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Speaker 1: a lot of parents do that. They're denied, denied protest protests,
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Speaker 1: and guess what, they're the ones abusing their kids. I
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Speaker 1: love that quote. I use it all the time whenever possible. Sadly,
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Speaker 1: the twins don't know what I'm talking about when I
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Speaker 1: start saying things like me, thanks, do protest too much?
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Speaker 1: But I still do it. It makes me feel better anyway.
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Speaker 1: So people are getting all over her online. Her family
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Speaker 1: is calling defects, Larry Mayheer, Crime Stories, investigative reporter. Just
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Speaker 1: give me a general temperature reading for Superior, Arizona. The
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Speaker 1: average temperature at that time of year is sixty eight degrees.
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Speaker 1: For a high that day, it reached seventy five degrees.
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Speaker 1: The website kids and Cars dot org says heatstroke can
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Speaker 1: be uh fatal at a temperature fifty seven degrees. So
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Speaker 1: it was certainly warm enough. That's not as hot as
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Speaker 1: I expect that it to be. But the reality is
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Speaker 1: joining me right now. D n A expert Georgia Sciro
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Speaker 1: inside of a car Amazingly, it gets stifling lee hot
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Speaker 1: in there. It can be seventy degrees outside and in
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Speaker 1: the car it's ninety degrees George. Yes, that's correct, Nancy, yuh,
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Speaker 1: meaning closed atmosphere like that is going to amplify the
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Speaker 1: amount of heat that's absorbed by the vehicle and generated
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Speaker 1: within the vehicle. Um. I mean, we don't even allow
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Speaker 1: animals to be left in cars for that long, much less.
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Speaker 1: Children should not be left in cars at all under
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Speaker 1: those circumstances. I just can't get over this. Ashley Wilcott,
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Speaker 1: juvenile judge with Child Crime watch dot Com. Ashley the
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Speaker 1: leaving the child, I'm saying it is tott mom red uh.
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Speaker 1: You know, deja vu all over again, because she's claiming
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Speaker 1: she leaves the car, or she's claiming the babysitter, the
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Speaker 1: imaginary babysitter is responsible and hold on, hold on, guess what,
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Speaker 1: I guess the advice of lawyers. She's calling the local
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Speaker 1: Fox station and granting interviews. I bet her lawyer is
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Speaker 1: standing on his or her head right now. Let's take
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Speaker 1: a listen to what the new taught has to say.
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Speaker 1: It makes me very mad. I thought the trade, like
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Speaker 1: I really pulled the trade. I haven't really been showing
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Speaker 1: too much emotion to everything that's going on because I
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Speaker 1: don't know how to feel like. I'm just very curt
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Speaker 1: My my pride and enjoy was taken from in It
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Speaker 1: just makes really bad who betrayed you? Who do you
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Speaker 1: think betrayed you? Like the babysitter. I mean, I just
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Speaker 1: want her to just say like the truth, like that
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Speaker 1: she had them. The truth is eventually going to come out.
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Speaker 1: It is. So she's taking time out from the graving
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Speaker 1: process to call the local Fox station to talk about
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Speaker 1: how she has been betrayed. And I just like to
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Speaker 1: point out, not judging, but as in Top Mom Casey Anthony,
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Speaker 1: when cops finally catch up to her and find her,
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Speaker 1: she has the full hair do, the makeup, the hot
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Speaker 1: pink lipstick found a and the full eyeliner. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's hard to keep that stuff on when you're crying.
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Speaker 1: Just I'm just putting it out there, but that's what
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Speaker 1: I'm observing. What about it asked you will cat jump in.
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Speaker 1: Not only that, but it's all symptomatic of narcissism and
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Speaker 1: a narcissist And so all of these little things go
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Speaker 1: together and she's gonna look her best, and she's gonna
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Speaker 1: sound her best, and it's all about her and everything's
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Speaker 1: great for her. Mug shot excuse me, as she will caught.
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Speaker 1: I know you're a lawyer. I know you're a juvenil judge.
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Speaker 1: I know you founded a website, but you're also a shrink.
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Speaker 1: When did you get your m D? Because you're throwing
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Speaker 1: out narcissistant like you know what you're dressed. I know,
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Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not just steal that from Lauren Howard. Lauren,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know about you, but i'd be girlfriend.
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Speaker 1: I would love to give this girl the benefit of
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Speaker 1: a personality disorder diagnosis of narcissistic personality sort of. But
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Speaker 1: that is not the case. Sorry, No, absolutely not. This
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Speaker 1: is a self centered, not very bright that's clear self centered,
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Speaker 1: concerned with her own sort of survival and having fun
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Speaker 1: and having a life. She absolutely believes, I mean, you know,
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Speaker 1: it's the o j Uh syndrome. She acstlutely believes that
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Speaker 1: somehow or other she did make arrangements. She didn't profably
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Speaker 1: kill her kids. She would never do that, she loves
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Speaker 1: her kids. But I truly believe that's her where her
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Speaker 1: head is. She made arrangements, all right. She made arrangements
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Speaker 1: to lock her two children to slowly die inside her
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Speaker 1: air tight car over fourteen hours. To George skiro DNA expert, George,
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Speaker 1: what would you expect to find in the car if
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Speaker 1: this were a heat stroke? And what is a heat stroke? Well,
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Speaker 1: a heat stroke is when the body's exposed to uh
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Speaker 1: prolonged high tempictures over time that's going to cause the
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Speaker 1: body to eventually shut down. Uh. The preliminary UM prelimity
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Speaker 1: autopsy reports from what understand was dehydration and exposure. Of course,
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Speaker 1: they're also going to want to look in do toxicology
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Speaker 1: on the children to look for any mark exposure to
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Speaker 1: what heat, Yes, exposure to heat um and like I said,
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Speaker 1: dehydration from lack of water um and like I said,
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Speaker 1: the long term looking at things again, see if they
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Speaker 1: were if any uh any types of drugs were given
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Speaker 1: to them, if anything was done to even suppress their
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Speaker 1: their system even more maybe put the You may like
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Speaker 1: give them benagerl Yes, that's correct. I give my husband
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Speaker 1: half a bottle of benadol every night and it works great.
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Speaker 1: But when it comes down to children, n even a
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Speaker 1: tiny bit over can be fatal. Um, don't judge me.
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Speaker 1: George Skierra bet. When the children were young, they're having
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Speaker 1: all sorts of issues. I gave them their correct dosage
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Speaker 1: of benage real only, which I was so nervous about.
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Speaker 1: I'd measure it out in a UM syringe, the kind
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Speaker 1: you get to perfectly measure it of course, about a needle.
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Speaker 1: Only to learn my husband came along right behind me
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Speaker 1: and also gave them ben drel Oh my stars. Of anyway,
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Speaker 1: obviously they're fine, but that is scary. So George Skiro,
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Speaker 1: you say that they're doing taught psychology to see if
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Speaker 1: she possibly um sedated them so they wouldn't scream. That
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Speaker 1: would be one possibility, yes, or to again just keep
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Speaker 1: them quiet, uh in the car, put them to sleep,
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Speaker 1: whatever it may be. And again when you when you
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Speaker 1: combine perhaps non therapeutic doses with that high temperature and heat,
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Speaker 1: that's only going to lead to one thing, and that's death.
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Speaker 1: The issue about being buckled into a car seat reminds
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Speaker 1: me so much of Susan Smith buckling her children into
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Speaker 1: the car seat and pushing the car into the water.
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Speaker 1: Her that feeling of helplessness. Now, let me understand something,
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Speaker 1: Larry May, her Crime Stories investigative reporter. Let me get
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Speaker 1: this straight. So she works at a restaurant. She's traps
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Speaker 1: her children into the car seats, leaves them in this driveway,
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Speaker 1: and she leaves and hitches a ride with her grandmother,
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Speaker 1: who takes her to work and agrees to pick her
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Speaker 1: up after a twelve hours shift. Police have they have
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Speaker 1: not connected the dots yet. My understanding is I believe
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Speaker 1: that she thought whoever lived at that house was going
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Speaker 1: to take care of her kids. The people at that
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Speaker 1: house said, we had nothing, We had no arrangement for
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Speaker 1: taking care of the kids. So obviously there was no
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Speaker 1: communication between her and the family that lived in this house. Well,
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Speaker 1: that sounds Ashley Wilcot exactly like what Top Mom said,
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Speaker 1: exactly like what Casey Anthony said about the imaginary babysitters
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Speaker 1: Denight A. Gonzalez exactly. And I have to say that
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Speaker 1: it's given social media amount of media coverage. Don't you
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Speaker 1: wonder if some of these people with these issues steal
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Speaker 1: the headlines, so to speak, and say, oh, it worked
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Speaker 1: for her. I'm going to say this, it was the
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Speaker 1: imaginary babysitter. You know what. I hadn't even thought of
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Speaker 1: it at that angle. Yet here's another twist on this.
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Speaker 1: Lauren Howard, her own brother Vincent the last quiz is
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Speaker 1: speaking out. Listen. You know, they just they never had
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Speaker 1: a chance. And she's very manipulative. So we would call
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Speaker 1: explain her mentally, she's explained she's doing. They would come
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Speaker 1: and talk to her and they would just leave. We
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Speaker 1: would never hear anything back. They would come talk to
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Speaker 1: her and leave. Come talk to her and leave. But
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Speaker 1: like I said, she would, she would manipulate them to
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Speaker 1: look normal. We tried, We begged cps to take the kids.
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Speaker 1: We've we begged the cops. M nothing would happen. So
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Speaker 1: the only thing we could do. We can't kidnap the kids,
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Speaker 1: so we would let them. You know, my grandparents let
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Speaker 1: them stay in her house. So and then other than that,
21:55
Speaker 1: that's that's pretty much all we could do is know
21:57
Speaker 1: that they're in a home being fed there Anderson Um
22:02
Speaker 1: didn't even have a chance to live. They never got
22:04
Speaker 1: to love anybody. Um. One thing I'm I'm happy about
22:08
Speaker 1: that my grandparents. Um, they took care of them. Um. Um.
22:17
Speaker 1: If it wasn't from my grandparents, those kids would have
22:19
Speaker 1: never seen true love. Larn Howard, psychologist joining us out
22:22
Speaker 1: of New York. That's her own brother. Yeah, I mean,
22:25
Speaker 1: you know, we know, we we've known about the grandparents.
22:29
Speaker 1: I was not aware that the brother also um had
22:32
Speaker 1: had felt the same felt the same issues with her.
22:35
Speaker 1: It is not usual for naughty people or people doing
22:39
Speaker 1: the wrong thing to be manipulated, and any mental health
22:44
Speaker 1: professional is very much aware of that. And it's trained
22:48
Speaker 1: to see through it. But so it really does go back,
22:51
Speaker 1: as as Astley said, to a failure of the system.
22:55
Speaker 1: The Child Protective Services was called several times, they came,
23:00
Speaker 1: they did not do a thorough, appropriate, complete analysis of
23:05
Speaker 1: the situation, and this is the result of it. And
23:07
Speaker 1: there's no question that's what occurs. Now. I'm not blaming
23:10
Speaker 1: Child Protective Services for this mother's behavior, but there I am. Well,
23:16
Speaker 1: I'll just put it out there. Of course, they are
23:18
Speaker 1: not the ones that kill the children, but they were
23:21
Speaker 1: told over and over and over to save the children,
23:25
Speaker 1: to get them out of the home. As she Willcott
23:28
Speaker 1: Juvenile Judge catch this her last post, which I was
23:31
Speaker 1: describing earlier about how s h I t t y
23:37
Speaker 1: other moms can be well, the last statement that she made,
23:43
Speaker 1: according to reports, the last comment on that thread states yes,
23:48
Speaker 1: effing stupid mothers out there. Yeah. And I'm gonna say
23:52
Speaker 1: this every time I try a case, my best evidence
23:55
Speaker 1: is from people who know the person, the relatives, the friends.
23:59
Speaker 1: If you would have, like if the defects would have
24:01
Speaker 1: investigated and spoken to those people, or if there were
24:04
Speaker 1: a trial and those people testified, you're going to have
24:07
Speaker 1: the evidence that it's the mother who's sick, not the
24:10
Speaker 1: other mothers like she wants to goin. Take a listen
24:13
Speaker 1: to what local police saying. The mother has been booked
24:15
Speaker 1: in to the Panel County Jail on two counts the
24:18
Speaker 1: first degree murder. We are currently still investigating. We're awaiting
24:23
Speaker 1: the autopsy and the toxicology reports for the two kids,
24:26
Speaker 1: so those charges could change. We're gonna work with the
24:29
Speaker 1: County Attorney's office to make sure that we get the
24:32
Speaker 1: appropriate charging. Um. However, at this time, she is at
24:36
Speaker 1: the Panel County Jail on two counts the first screen murder. Uh,
24:40
Speaker 1: there was enough to book her, however, we want to
24:43
Speaker 1: make sure that, especially in a case like this where
24:45
Speaker 1: mother's lost two kids at the same time, we want
24:48
Speaker 1: to make sure that we have the appropriate charge. And
24:50
Speaker 1: so still fair to say there was signs of foul
24:53
Speaker 1: our bell play. There was evidence that allowed us to
24:58
Speaker 1: book her into jail on two charges for murder. Where
25:01
Speaker 1: those children, did they have gunshot wounds, stab wounds or
25:05
Speaker 1: anything like that. I'm not aware of any gunshot wounds
25:09
Speaker 1: or stab wounds. The call for was for two children
25:11
Speaker 1: found the seast in a car um so we responded
25:14
Speaker 1: with our detectives and our crime scene investigators. This is
25:19
Speaker 1: a small community. We know Brittany Um. In the last
25:23
Speaker 1: two years, we probably responded to her home to her
25:29
Speaker 1: house on seven or eight different occasions for various matters,
25:34
Speaker 1: anything involving the children, impossibly with lect or abuse. Maybe
25:40
Speaker 1: we're still reviewing our records, but we know at least
25:43
Speaker 1: one incident that happened on January three where CPS was
25:46
Speaker 1: contacted in reference to children, and what was the result
25:50
Speaker 1: of that. I don't know what action, if any, CPS
25:56
Speaker 1: has taken UM at the time. UM. I don't know
26:01
Speaker 1: if any of you are familiar with the process, but basically,
26:03
Speaker 1: you contact their hotline, give us an opposition to the situation,
26:06
Speaker 1: and then they make a determination from there. It is
26:08
Speaker 1: my understanding that when the January three incident was reported,
26:12
Speaker 1: they did not take the action. Family seemed to indicate
26:15
Speaker 1: that you were trying to help in regards to CPS.
26:19
Speaker 1: Is that a fair statement? Yes, and nothing was done
26:23
Speaker 1: to my knowledge, NOE. Was this frustrating for you? Yes,
26:30
Speaker 1: this is a serious incident. This is a small community.
26:33
Speaker 1: It is absolutely rocked superior um. The last homicide investigation
26:39
Speaker 1: of any significant magnitude was probably eight or nine years ago.
26:42
Speaker 1: Occasionally people die in car accidents in the area, but
26:45
Speaker 1: this is unheard of for us, So you were considered
26:48
Speaker 1: it could get to this level maybe that January goal.
26:52
Speaker 1: One of our officers was yes, and that's why I called.
26:55
Speaker 1: As far as warning signs, probably um or inside things
27:01
Speaker 1: that would concern us, and I think I can speak
27:07
Speaker 1: from my staff. We are a dedicated vote, a very
27:09
Speaker 1: skilled batch of individuals, and they will do the right thing,
27:13
Speaker 1: and they did. As far as other stayed entities, I
27:19
Speaker 1: can't speak for what they did or didn't do. It
27:22
Speaker 1: was reported by a relative that she would often leave
27:26
Speaker 1: her kids at the home and expect someone else to
27:29
Speaker 1: take care of them. Any indications, no clue to the
27:41
Speaker 1: conditions children responding, I can't because I wasn't there at
27:49
Speaker 1: the time. No discussions on that yet, not specifically. They
27:56
Speaker 1: were found in the vehicle and they were dead and
27:59
Speaker 1: CPR is performed actually inside the house. That the initial
28:03
Speaker 1: information suggested that they have been removed from the vehicle
28:06
Speaker 1: so that the mother could perform the CPR that prior
28:08
Speaker 1: to your officers are riving. That's how I understood. So
28:13
Speaker 1: when your officers arrived, the children were in. That's what
28:17
Speaker 1: I understand, and her Brittany took the children out of
28:22
Speaker 1: the car get into the house. That's what was reported. Yes,
28:25
Speaker 1: Larry May her Crime Stories investigative reporter, isn't it true.
28:29
Speaker 1: The brother also makes another allegation. He claims that he
28:35
Speaker 1: and his family have been convinced that his sister is
28:38
Speaker 1: bettally ill since she was very young, and she has
28:42
Speaker 1: been a little off. In his words, you know you're
28:46
Speaker 1: interesting to Lauren Howard. Psychologists joining us, Lauren. A lot
28:51
Speaker 1: of times when people misbehave or they break the law,
28:59
Speaker 1: they do something we don't understand, like top Mom, Casey Anthony.
29:04
Speaker 1: We say she's crazy. That's the street word crazy. That
29:09
Speaker 1: does not mean legally insane. The common vernacular of crazy
29:13
Speaker 1: is they don't conform to what you think they should be.
29:17
Speaker 1: That is not insane. A negligent mother, I mean to me,
29:22
Speaker 1: you've got to be quote crazy to leave your child
29:25
Speaker 1: alone for days on in while you get clubbing. But
29:28
Speaker 1: that is not insanity under the law, Lauren, that is
29:32
Speaker 1: not insane. Okay, But Nancy, you know that whoever her
29:37
Speaker 1: assuming public defender is, they are going to go for
29:39
Speaker 1: an insanity plea on this they are, and you know,
29:42
Speaker 1: she's not showing remorse, she's being Her behavior is disassociated.
29:47
Speaker 1: She doesn't think she's guilty. She doesn't, you know, it's
29:51
Speaker 1: not one of those things where after she does that
29:53
Speaker 1: she says, oh my god, look what I've done. No,
29:55
Speaker 1: as a matter of facturer, right, Lauren Alan rolling again,
29:59
Speaker 1: let's follow it with Lauren Howard just said, let's take
30:02
Speaker 1: a listen. Now, keep in mind, keep in mind as
30:05
Speaker 1: you are hearing this, that two children, Brooklyn Rose and Christopher,
30:11
Speaker 1: are dead. This is their mother speaking out for the
30:16
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30:20
Speaker 1: interview with the local Fox station there in Arizona. Listen
30:24
Speaker 1: to what she says. It may be very mad. I
30:28
Speaker 1: thought the trade, like I really pulled the trade. I
30:30
Speaker 1: haven't really been showing too much emotion to everything that's
30:33
Speaker 1: going on because I don't know how to feel like
30:36
Speaker 1: I'm just very curb my I my pride and enjoy
30:40
Speaker 1: it was taken and come in and it just makes
30:42
Speaker 1: really mad. Who betrayed you? Who do you think betrayed you?
30:48
Speaker 1: Like the baby said, I mean, I just wanted her
30:50
Speaker 1: to just say like the truth, like that she had
30:53
Speaker 1: them the truth is eventually going to come out. It
30:56
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31:00
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32:39
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32:44
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32:49
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32:55
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32:59
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33:02
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33:15
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33:22
Speaker 1: mar Marlene Warren living in a pretty upscale West Palm
33:25
Speaker 1: Beach en play called the Aero Club opens your door
33:28
Speaker 1: as you said on ninety, which of course is just
33:32
Speaker 1: about years ago. And there is the plown wearing a
33:35
Speaker 1: clown suit, carrying flowers and two foil balloons, one with
33:40
Speaker 1: the inscription You're the Greatest and the other embossed with
33:44
Speaker 1: snow white and opens and shoots twice with a thirty
33:47
Speaker 1: eight caliber handgun. Her uh step son, a boy in
33:54
Speaker 1: his twenties, actually a man in his twenty named Joey
33:56
Speaker 1: Ahearn's who is the son of Michael Warren's uh former wife,
34:04
Speaker 1: described in pretty good detail what the clown costume looked
34:08
Speaker 1: like and how the woman calmly walked away and got
34:12
Speaker 1: into the LeBaron and drove off. The only thing he
34:15
Speaker 1: could describe other than the costume itself was that she
34:19
Speaker 1: had brown eyes. Apparently she didn't speak, so he just
34:23
Speaker 1: surmised that it was a woman. The car was abandoned
34:27
Speaker 1: a parking lot a few miles away. Uh. No sign
34:30
Speaker 1: of the clown costume itself, but there was some forensic
34:34
Speaker 1: evidence that they retrieved and back in n they couldn't
34:37
Speaker 1: do an awful lot with it. But here we are
34:40
Speaker 1: twenty eight years later and they can and they did,
34:44
Speaker 1: and that's produced and arrest. Oh my stars, and just
34:47
Speaker 1: amazed that we're just finding out the evidence. Now, I
34:52
Speaker 1: want to go back to the purchase of the clown costume.
34:56
Speaker 1: Take a listen to this woman speaking to ABC's twin
35:00
Speaker 1: So you had a knock at the door, right, and
35:03
Speaker 1: then what she said, I need to buy a costume.
35:06
Speaker 1: And I said, can you come back tomorrow? We're closed,
35:08
Speaker 1: and now I really need to get a costume tonight.
35:11
Speaker 1: The Ruby's clown costume and Afro clown wig, Bob Kelly
35:17
Speaker 1: clown makeup and sponge nose. I'd say probably around five
35:20
Speaker 1: eight brown eyes, long chocolate hair, and jeans and a
35:26
Speaker 1: men's work should Do you remember how much I think
35:29
Speaker 1: the sale was? Like either seventy nine or eighty nine
35:32
Speaker 1: dollars cash cash. Did you know why they were asking?
35:36
Speaker 1: I said, could I ask please what this is in
35:38
Speaker 1: reference to? And he said, well, you're probably going to
35:41
Speaker 1: read about it all over the papers tomorrow morning. But
35:45
Speaker 1: a woman was shot at her front door by a
35:50
Speaker 1: person dressed in a clown costume wearing flowers and blooms,
35:55
Speaker 1: and he shot her in the face and my Chuck
36:00
Speaker 1: Roberts with me Crime Stories investigative reporter, Chuck. Have they
36:05
Speaker 1: known all along where the clown suit was purchased or
36:10
Speaker 1: they just learning that as well. I think they knew
36:13
Speaker 1: it all along. Um uh, you know, a lot of
36:16
Speaker 1: this is coming out very late. There was a three
36:19
Speaker 1: thousand page document released by the police, uh maybe nine
36:24
Speaker 1: months after the arrest of Michael Warren's now wife then
36:29
Speaker 1: love her. At the time, she was always a suspect,
36:32
Speaker 1: but the evidence was pretty circumstantial. But yes, you're right,
36:36
Speaker 1: we just now learned that she was identified by two
36:40
Speaker 1: employees of the clown shop and also identified by an
36:44
Speaker 1: employee at a public's grocery store who sold her the
36:48
Speaker 1: foil balloons. And I'm wondering, I mean, they know who
36:52
Speaker 1: sold her the balloons, they know who we think gave
36:57
Speaker 1: her sold her the clown ustum, but they didn't have
37:02
Speaker 1: surveillance video at the publix to I d the purchaser
37:06
Speaker 1: of the balloons. Incarnations Chuck apparently not. Yeah, that's a
37:11
Speaker 1: very good point. She was disguising herself at the time,
37:14
Speaker 1: but the description, according to the release of this information
37:17
Speaker 1: last week, was pretty vivid. You know she has long
37:23
Speaker 1: brown hair. The description was kind of dead up, I
37:27
Speaker 1: would think, But in any case, they had to put
37:30
Speaker 1: it all together. They had a motive. Um the fact that, uh,
37:36
Speaker 1: the suspect, Sheila Keene Warren, was in love with the
37:41
Speaker 1: wife with the husband of the woman who was killed
37:44
Speaker 1: that day standing in her doorway. It's just shocking to
37:47
Speaker 1: me that it's been twenty seven years since a young
37:52
Speaker 1: mom's gunned down in her own home at the front door.
37:55
Speaker 1: And you may wonder what could be possible a motivation. Well,
37:59
Speaker 1: mar Lean Warren was the suspects husband's first wife, as
38:04
Speaker 1: you know now we know, gunned down allegedly by his girlfriend.
38:10
Speaker 1: Was she really the husband's girlfriend? They were rumored to
38:14
Speaker 1: have had a secret relationship her, Sheila Keane and the husband,
38:19
Speaker 1: Michael Warren, before she married him back in two thousand two.
38:23
Speaker 1: Why according to employees, they say that the two have
38:29
Speaker 1: been seen kissing and actually having sexual relations in the office. Uh,
38:37
Speaker 1: and the neighbors say he was frequently at her home.
38:42
Speaker 1: They denied the relationship to Lauren Howard, psychologists joining us,
38:47
Speaker 1: this is the story as old as dirt. You know
38:51
Speaker 1: what I really love, Nancy is the snow white balloon,
38:55
Speaker 1: because that that sort of tells the story, doesn't it.
38:59
Speaker 1: I'm sure that was a purposeful choice to choose a
39:02
Speaker 1: snow white balloon. Yeah, it's just all all the time
39:05
Speaker 1: of mortal. I mean, you know, it's just funny. I'm
39:08
Speaker 1: funny ha ha um donning this clown cart. It was
39:12
Speaker 1: so premeditated, The whole thing was so planned and so decisive.
39:16
Speaker 1: And the fact that she got away with it for
39:18
Speaker 1: this long, I mean it is almost her liberating for her.
39:23
Speaker 1: I mean, she never how she could not have gotten
39:26
Speaker 1: caught is beyond me. But you know, I understand technology
39:29
Speaker 1: has changed. UM. Motivation pretty clear, but murder take a
39:34
Speaker 1: listen to this. The detectives during the initial investigation developed
39:39
Speaker 1: some people of interest, one being Sheila Keen. UM. It
39:43
Speaker 1: was rumored that Sheila Keene and Michael barn were having
39:45
Speaker 1: an affair. UM. We now have learned since then that
39:48
Speaker 1: they have married and they are currently married, and they
39:51
Speaker 1: were living in the Tennessee, Virginia area. UM. The detectives
39:55
Speaker 1: during the initial investigation, Detective Bill Williams and the rest
39:58
Speaker 1: of his team AMEDD a phenomenal job documenting the entire case.
40:04
Speaker 1: UM as well as collecting and preserving the crime UH
40:08
Speaker 1: evidence from the crime scene. I like to say that UM,
40:11
Speaker 1: in cold cases, we kind of we have a big
40:13
Speaker 1: puzzle and some of the pieces already filled in, and
40:16
Speaker 1: a lot of it was already filled in by the
40:19
Speaker 1: thorough investigation done by the initial detectives. UM, we just
40:23
Speaker 1: needed a few of those little pieces of the puzzle
40:25
Speaker 1: and we were able to do that UM with DNA,
40:29
Speaker 1: the new technologies and DNA, and we were able to
40:32
Speaker 1: complete the puzzle. And I think that's what led to
40:34
Speaker 1: the indictment. And we went back and interviewed numerous witnesses.
40:39
Speaker 1: We had a LOK and find them and then interview
40:41
Speaker 1: numerous witnesses. UM, we reviewed the evidence. We're able to
40:44
Speaker 1: submit new evidence for UM DNA analysis and UM and
40:49
Speaker 1: doing so we were able to get the indictment. The
40:52
Speaker 1: case is still ongoing and UM we will definitely work
40:55
Speaker 1: diligently to determine if anyone else was involved. Did you
40:59
Speaker 1: talk about not just this case in the bigger pictures
41:02
Speaker 1: the sheriff talked about a share state in turn, or
41:04
Speaker 1: talk about the advancements in the technology that allow you
41:07
Speaker 1: to be able to solve this kind of case. And
41:10
Speaker 1: specifically what in the bigger picture just that allow you
41:14
Speaker 1: to do and how far are you've calling that area.
41:17
Speaker 1: That's a lot of questions UM. Back in UM, I
41:20
Speaker 1: believe back then they just had a bio typing and
41:22
Speaker 1: things like that. So now we have uh nicolo DNA,
41:26
Speaker 1: we have touched DNA, we have mitochondrial DNA, and all
41:29
Speaker 1: of those things together allow us UM to be able
41:32
Speaker 1: to test items that weren't able to be tested back
41:35
Speaker 1: in n UM. So it has definitely UM led us
41:39
Speaker 1: to be able to solve a lot of our coal
41:41
Speaker 1: cases through the advances in technology. Do you reiterate what
41:46
Speaker 1: she said before she showed her and what the balloon said.
41:49
Speaker 1: One balloon said You're the greatest and the other one,
41:51
Speaker 1: I believe was a snow white balloon, and UM said
41:56
Speaker 1: something to the effect of, oh, how nice. Detectives during
41:59
Speaker 1: the initial vest of days, you were able to determine
42:01
Speaker 1: that the same balloons and flower arrangement was purchased out
42:04
Speaker 1: of public which was about six tenths to a mile
42:07
Speaker 1: UM away from where Sheila Keen's apartment was at the time,
42:11
Speaker 1: just just before the day, Yes, the same the same day. Yes,
42:15
Speaker 1: all the evidence that you had back in. Do you
42:19
Speaker 1: understand why she couldn't have been prosecuted that it just
42:23
Speaker 1: wasn't quite over the line? Um, yes, that I mean
42:25
Speaker 1: that obviously is the decision of the State Attorney's office.
42:29
Speaker 1: And if they don't believe that their sufficient evidence to
42:31
Speaker 1: prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt, then um, you'll
42:34
Speaker 1: you get basically one shot. If you roll that dice
42:36
Speaker 1: and you take that chance and she's found not guilty,
42:38
Speaker 1: then she never can be charged again. So sometimes just
42:41
Speaker 1: patience is the best and now here Virginia Police and Avington,
42:46
Speaker 1: Virginia woman has been arrested and charged within twenty seven
42:49
Speaker 1: year old capital murder case that originated out of Palm
42:53
Speaker 1: Beach County. Tomorrow, the Worst count of Virginia Sheriff's Office
42:57
Speaker 1: Criminal Investigative Division received information and from the Palm Beach
43:01
Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Office that they had obtained information in lead
43:04
Speaker 1: king Sheila Keane Warren of Abington, Virginia to the nine
43:10
Speaker 1: homicide of Marlene Warren. She's been charged with first degree
43:14
Speaker 1: murder with the firearm of Marlene and Warren. She's been
43:18
Speaker 1: transported to the Abington facility of the Southwest Virginia Regional
43:22
Speaker 1: Jail in Abington, where she is awaiting extradition back to
43:28
Speaker 1: Palm Beach County, Florida. The suspect of the arreste walked
43:32
Speaker 1: up to the front door with the balloons in her hand. Uh.
43:39
Speaker 1: The deceased victim came to the front door and was
43:44
Speaker 1: shot at that location. Well, any murders horrific. It doesn't
43:47
Speaker 1: matter wearing a clown costume or not taking him another
43:51
Speaker 1: person's life. It's already for it against It just took
43:54
Speaker 1: us twenty seven years to bring closure to this. To
43:58
Speaker 1: the victims family murder case, just never go away. They
44:01
Speaker 1: never go away. To Ashley Wilcott, juvenile judge and founder
44:05
Speaker 1: of child crime watch dot com, the neighbors were stunned.
44:09
Speaker 1: Isn't that always the way? They lived? In a very
44:12
Speaker 1: affluent neighborhood actually on a lake. Listen to this, Ashley,
44:16
Speaker 1: the very friendly, outgoing nice he was a happy, affectionate
44:22
Speaker 1: type person. They would hug you when you'd go see them.
44:26
Speaker 1: If you needed something, you call them and they'd be there.
44:30
Speaker 1: I've been in Chalk ever since. Yeah, I couldn't believe
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Speaker 1: that that and still don't just hold him, pray that
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Speaker 1: she's not guilty, very distraught, which he would be. Hey,
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Speaker 1: Um told me, he said, you know, she didn't do this.
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Speaker 1: He's just so kind hearted. I saw absolutely. That's why
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Speaker 1: this whole thing is so hard to believe. Ashley Wilcott,
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Speaker 1: I'm not stunned. You know what this You should never
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Speaker 1: be stunned by anybody that does anything because, bottom line,
45:05
Speaker 1: when it comes to affairs of the heart, it is
45:08
Speaker 1: an old story. This does happen. The other thing I
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Speaker 1: want to point out in this case, Nancy, is you
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Speaker 1: know what, I generally believe, what goes around comes around.
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Speaker 1: And even though it's this many years later, guess what
45:19
Speaker 1: she's arrested. You know, this is what we had at
45:22
Speaker 1: the time. The costume shop employees, along with them detectives
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Speaker 1: learned flowers and balloons came in from a supermarket half
45:30
Speaker 1: a mile from the victims home. The chryst Little Baron
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Speaker 1: was soon found abandoned in a nearby parking lot. It
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Speaker 1: had been reported stolen by a payless rental agency near
45:43
Speaker 1: Michael Lawrence car lot Bargain Motors. Now it had been
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Speaker 1: rented to a couple that told detectives they had arrived
45:53
Speaker 1: after hours at the pay less, hoping to leave the
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Speaker 1: car and finding nobody there, they went home and long
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Speaker 1: story short, the car ended up being stolen. So it
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Speaker 1: was a stolen car that was discovered later. What about
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Speaker 1: the outfit? George Skiro joining me d N a expert,
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Speaker 1: Now DNA technology has been used, explaining it appears that
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Speaker 1: they used what's known as mitochondrial DNA to make this
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Speaker 1: uh association between some brown hairs that were found in
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Speaker 1: the vehicle along with some orange wig fibers UM, and
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Speaker 1: they used this to make this association to Sheila Keane
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Speaker 1: Warren UM. Now, I don't know why it took so long.
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Speaker 1: The first mitochondrial DNA case in the United States was
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Speaker 1: back in so this technology has been around for almost
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Speaker 1: for over twenty years, so I don't understand why it's
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Speaker 1: taken that long, But it appears to be that's the
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Speaker 1: type of DNA association that they made in this case.
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Speaker 1: And this is a type of DNA that's inherited from
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Speaker 1: the mother only UM so passes from mother to daughter
47:03
Speaker 1: or mother to son. And UH, it's not as specific
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Speaker 1: as the regular type of DNA that we we look at. UH,
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Speaker 1: it's more um you know, instead of one in ten
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Speaker 1: trillion numbers. We get this is going to be more
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Speaker 1: like in the thousands as opposed to something very specific.
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Speaker 1: But like I said, I don't know why it took
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Speaker 1: this long, given that the technology has been around so
47:23
Speaker 1: gay as. We also learned that the husband told detectives
47:28
Speaker 1: he and his wife had a great relationship, but his
47:32
Speaker 1: employees told a completely different story. Her family does as well.
47:36
Speaker 1: They claim that now dead Marlene Warren had threatened to
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Speaker 1: divorce him over quote numerous affairs Lauren Howard, numerous affairs,
47:48
Speaker 1: and forb beating her. Well, do we think that Michael
47:53
Speaker 1: Warren had something to do with this, that he was
47:55
Speaker 1: aware of what his girlfriend was doing? Yeah, I think
47:58
Speaker 1: that's the question. I mean, I don't know that, but
48:01
Speaker 1: I mean he's at our house all the time. They're
48:03
Speaker 1: having sex at the office. I mean, don't you think
48:06
Speaker 1: he knows she goes and rents a clown costume and
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Speaker 1: then his wife turns up Dad he doesn't think Wow.
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Speaker 1: I mean, they never talk about it. It's very possible
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Speaker 1: they don't. But he may suspect it, just as the
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Speaker 1: police suspected it. I mean, it seems pretty obvious, right,
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Speaker 1: I mean, all of the in terms of motives. Who's
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Speaker 1: going to walk up to a woman's store and shoot
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Speaker 1: her in the face. There, there's got to be a
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Speaker 1: motive for it, and the only person with a motive
48:32
Speaker 1: you know, you're right. So Chuck Roberts has a whole
48:35
Speaker 1: another can of worms. We don't know, and he has
48:37
Speaker 1: not been named as a person of interest whether he
48:40
Speaker 1: knew about it or not. But let's get real, Chuck Roberts,
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Speaker 1: you know he never asked her, hey, did you do it?
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Speaker 1: And the rental car, remember the rental car was stolen
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Speaker 1: from a spot right beside his used car. Lone I
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Speaker 1: was from the Payless rental agency and he'd had a
48:55
Speaker 1: dispute with Payless, so we're using that name in his
48:59
Speaker 1: ads at Bargain Motors. So there was a dispute. It's
49:03
Speaker 1: kind of a complicated story. But the Chrysler baron comes
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Speaker 1: back that can be traced back to Bargain Motors, and
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Speaker 1: I think that's another key that helps solve this cold case.
49:16
Speaker 1: That plus testimony from Joseph Ahearn's Joseph Ahearn's attorney was
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Speaker 1: interviewed by investigators in Palm Beach and he told them
49:28
Speaker 1: that a year before the shooting of Marlene Warren, that
49:32
Speaker 1: Michael Warren asked him whether or not if a husband
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Speaker 1: killed his wife on her that it would affect his
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Speaker 1: his taking of her estate, and the attorney advised him,
49:44
Speaker 1: not really unless you're actually convicted a first degree murder
49:48
Speaker 1: and indeed, uh the Michael Warren inherited her asset insurance policy.
49:56
Speaker 1: That is painful because, according to his employees, he said
50:00
Speaker 1: he would never divorce his first swap because she would
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Speaker 1: get half his assets and then bam, no more division
50:08
Speaker 1: of property problems for him. She shot down at the
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Speaker 1: front door, clearly an assassination. We are on the case
50:16
Speaker 1: waiting to see if any other charges will develop. Nancy
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