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MTM - Interview with Scott Schara (Part One) · More Than Medicine

• 0:04
  Dr. Jackson: Welcome to More Than Medicine, where Jesus is more than enough for the ills that plague our culture and our country, hosted by author and physician, dr Robert Jackson, and his wife Carlotta and daughter Hannah Miller.
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  Dr. Jackson: So listen up, because the doctor is in.
• 0:22
  Dr. Jackson: Welcome to More Than Medicine.
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  Dr. Jackson: I'm your host, Dr Robert Jackson, bringing to you biblical insights and stories from the country doctor's rusty, dusty scrapbook.
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  Dr. Jackson: Well, I'm privileged and honored today to have a new friend of mine, Scott Schara, online with me today.
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  Dr. Jackson: Scott, welcome to More Than Medicine.
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  Dr. Jackson: Well, thanks for having me, Dr Robert.
• 0:44
  Dr. Jackson: It's a real pleasure to be here.
• 0:46
  Dr. Jackson: Well, it's my privilege and my pleasure, Scott.
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  Dr. Jackson: Now, before we even begin, I'm going to ask you, if you would, to tell my listening audience a little bit about yourself and your family.
• 0:57
  Dr. Jackson: Tell them a little bit about who you were in your former life and what you're doing now in this present life.
• 1:06
  Dr. Jackson: So I'll start with my former life first and then jump to the present, and then we'll rewind as to how we got to the present.
• 1:13
  Dr. Jackson: So my former life, I would say I would describe myself as a businessman with a healthy distrust of the government, and I chased the American dream for a lot of my life.
• 1:29
  Dr. Jackson: I missed a lot because of that.
• 1:31
  Dr. Jackson: Ultimately, that all had begun coming to a close before our daughter, grace, died in a hospital on October 13th of 2021, but it definitely came to a complete halt after her death.
• 1:49
  Dr. Jackson: And now I am on a full-time mission to save people's lives.
• 1:56
  Dr. Jackson: Under Genesis 5020, which says what God meant for good excuse me, what you meant for evil God meant for good the saving of many lives, which is happening today.
• 2:05
  Dr. Jackson: And we're on a mission to save people's lives both physically and spiritually, and God has given us quite a platform to be able to do that.
• 2:14
  Dr. Jackson: So you know if I jump back, which is how did we even get here?
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  Dr. Jackson: It's interesting, as I thought about our life and trying to compress it in a short period of time.
• 2:28
  Dr. Jackson: It's got to start with Grace's birth.
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  Dr. Jackson: Grace was our third child and our last child.
• 2:37
  Dr. Jackson: She was born on September 22nd of 2002.
• 2:40
  Dr. Jackson: 2002.
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  Dr. Jackson: At that point we had wondered about if we should have another child.
• 2:54
  Dr. Jackson: And it was interesting because we found out you know, roughly I would say eight years or so before that that we were one of God's.
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  Dr. Jackson: And so then, as you start walking through that reality, you start questioning things like why do we only have two kids?
• 3:08
  Dr. Jackson: And we realized that, you know, we were again chasing the American dream.
• 3:14
  Dr. Jackson: We had 2.1 kids, 1.7 dogs, no cats, and you know all those things.
• 3:19
  Dr. Jackson: And so we're 39 years old, my wife and I, and we decided to turn the baby department over to God, and on September 22nd of 2002, he blessed us with a little stinker who had Down syndrome, and we named her Grace after God's grace.
• 3:37
  Dr. Jackson: Amen amen.
• 3:40
  Dr. Jackson: It was amazing to you know, as I think about.
• 3:42
  Dr. Jackson: When she was first born we had no idea she had Down syndrome.
• 3:47
  Dr. Jackson: When she came out of the womb she looked different to me and I said to Cindy, who's my wife.
• 3:52
  Dr. Jackson: I said I think she has Down syndrome.
• 3:55
  Dr. Jackson: And you know, this was our first experience with the idea of Down syndrome being negative.
• 4:03
  Dr. Jackson: You know, we were fine with it.
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  Dr. Jackson: But the doctors came rushing in after having a huddle and said we suspect your daughter has Down syndrome.
• 4:12
  Dr. Jackson: Do you want to keep her?
• 4:14
  Dr. Jackson: And we were shocked by that, not knowing what they were even talking about.
• 4:20
  Dr. Jackson: I believe they meant putting her up for adoption.
• 4:26
  Dr. Jackson: We never got into that because we just said don't bother us with this type of talk, we're not interested in that.
• 4:34
  Dr. Jackson: This is our daughter.
• 4:37
  Dr. Jackson: Ultimately, for the first couple of years, how I looked at Grace was through the eyes of negative.
• 4:45
  Dr. Jackson: So you know meaning that I would say to myself in quiet time you know she's never going to get married, she's never going to drive a car, she's, you know she's never going to do X, Y and Z, you know.
• 4:57
  Dr. Jackson: And ultimately she did all those things other than getting married because she just didn't live long enough, but what I learned over a fairly short period of time.
• 5:07
  Dr. Jackson: So after she turned two and you started to see what she was capable of and how she did things, it was mind-blowing and I got to the point where, towards the end of her life, I got to the point where, towards the end of her life, I realized I wish I had Down syndrome.
• 5:28
  Dr. Jackson: That sounds foolish.
• 5:29
  Dr. Jackson: I know, but it's not foolish, because people with Down syndrome have something that we struggle with and what God calls us to do, which is to love unconditionally.
• 5:43
  Dr. Jackson: That's right Grace loved unconditionally.
• 5:44
  Dr. Jackson: That's right and grace loved unconditionally.
• 5:46
  Dr. Jackson: That's right, I love it, you're right Just to backfill a little bit more.
• 5:51
  Dr. Jackson: And it was interesting.
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  Dr. Jackson: When I look, you know, in hindsight you look at things different and you know, you and I both know God is sovereign, that's right.
• 6:02
  Dr. Jackson: And so when you start looking at things in hindsight, you see, well, why did you know?
• 6:06
  Dr. Jackson: God knew exactly the situation as to how Grace was going to die before she was ever born.
• 6:11
  Dr. Jackson: He knew he was going to use me, he was going to use Grace's death to wake me up and use me for what he's going, what he's doing now.
• 6:19
  Dr. Jackson: I mean, he knew all these things, but there were so many steps now, when I look back, and real milestones that I didn't see at the time.
• 6:29
  Dr. Jackson: And we had, as I said, grace was our third child, she was our last child, and we had a son, travis, and we have a daughter, Jessica, jessica's 35.
• 6:41
  Dr. Jackson: Travis would be 37.
• 6:43
  Dr. Jackson: Jessica Jessica's 35, Travis would be 37.
• 6:45
  Dr. Jackson: And you hear me say we had and would be.
• 6:47
  Dr. Jackson: When Travis was 30, he lost his life to suicide.
• 6:52
  Dr. Jackson: Oh no, I didn't know.
• 7:00
  Dr. Jackson: So as I see this now, after doing about 4,000 hours of research, I see that whole area is another one of the tentacles that they're using in the population control agenda.
• 7:14
  Dr. Jackson: This whole psychiatry, psychology movement got started in the late 60s.
• 7:19
  Dr. Jackson: I went to kindergarten in 1968, and the programming in 68 said in the weekly readers that if you have more than two children it's irresponsible.
• 7:32
  Dr. Jackson: We have a population problem.
• 7:34
  Dr. Jackson: If your parents have an electric can opener, that's irresponsible because they're using resources of the planet that are going to run out.
• 7:44
  Dr. Jackson: So they're already pushing the population reduction agenda in 1968, along with the climate control agenda to kindergartners.
• 7:52
  Dr. Jackson: They're programming us kindergartners then.
• 7:54
  Dr. Jackson: Well, I'm sure that subconsciously influenced me and ultimately that's why we didn't have more children.
• 8:01
  Dr. Jackson: I mean, I wish we had our quiver full, but we were blind to it at that time.
• 8:06
  Dr. Jackson: And you know, ultimately, as I've studied I see the population control agenda became public, although the public was unaware of it.
• 8:15
  Dr. Jackson: It was a published document in 1867, and psychology and psychiatry was one of those areas.
• 8:21
  Dr. Jackson: One of those areas and Travis, our son, ended up being on meds that the psychiatrist prescribed and ultimately prescribed him a contraindicated med that had suicide thoughts as a side effect, and 30 days to the day after that med was prescribed, travis lost his life to suicide.
• 8:46
  Dr. Jackson: So I see it as as another piece of the medical industrial complex now, as I've researched.
• 8:53
  Dr. Jackson: So anyway, that was a stake in the ground.
• 8:57
  Dr. Jackson: Then, prior to Travis's death, I developed heart disease, or at least I learned having heart disease, and I I learned that, um, the lies relative to the cause of heart disease are part of this situation also.
• 9:15
  Dr. Jackson: So they told me that you have high cholesterol and that's the cause of your heart disease.
• 9:19
  Dr. Jackson: Well, I studied heart disease for a couple hundred hours then and realized this is all a lie and the prescription they wanted to give me, the statin, was part of that lie.
• 9:30
  Dr. Jackson: Those were things I had learned, obviously before Grace was in the hospital, but it never made sense to me until after Grace died and I started researching and putting the pieces together.
• 9:43
  Dr. Jackson: So now, if we fast forward, we homeschooled all three kids.
• 9:48
  Dr. Jackson: Grace went to kindergarten in a parochial school and then we homeschooled her.
• 9:55
  Dr. Jackson: After that, grace never received a vaccination.
• 9:57
  Dr. Jackson: We were awake to the idea of vaccinations, not the psyop of vaccinations, but believing that we should trust God instead of man relative to vaccinations.
• 10:10
  Dr. Jackson: I've subsequently studied vaccinations and now have understood that no vaccination has ever been tested.
• 10:18
  Dr. Jackson: It's all part of the population reduction agenda, creating boogeyman viruses, followed by their man solution of vaccinations to deal with the fear caused by the bogeyman viruses, I hear you.
• 10:36
  Dr. Jackson: So Grace never had the COVID jab, none of that.
• 10:41
  Dr. Jackson: And ultimately, now we roll into October of 2021.
• 10:46
  Dr. Jackson: And I did not know about the virology agenda at that point.
• 10:50
  Dr. Jackson: So when the government announced the lockdowns and all the things relative to covid, I bought it, I believed the propaganda and ultimately fell trap to the lesser of two evils and we'll get into this um a bit later.
• 11:09
  Dr. Jackson: Uh, regarding what I've learned since grace's death.
• 11:12
  Dr. Jackson: But one of the main things I've learned is how Satan uses dialectics to give us two choices, and both the choices are evil.
• 11:21
  Dr. Jackson: So there's the evil propaganda from the government, but then the less evil solutions that are also by design.
• 11:30
  Dr. Jackson: So we were following the frontline COVID critical care doctors protocol in October of 2021.
• 11:38
  Dr. Jackson: In fact, we were going to.
• 11:40
  Dr. Jackson: Grace had developed a cold in late September of 21, and on October 1st we were going to go to a wedding and we thought it was our civic duty to test her, and that's another one of these things we've programmed to believe is that we have this civic duty, so that's under the collectivism lie, and so we decided we'll test her.
• 12:04
  Dr. Jackson: Well, she tested positive for COVID and so we did not go to the wedding and we started the FLCCC protocol.
• 12:10
  Dr. Jackson: So she was on ivermectin vitamins and she was doing fine.
• 12:16
  Dr. Jackson: She just had cold symptoms.
• 12:17
  Dr. Jackson: But the key thing that we purchased was a pulse oximeter.
• 12:22
  Dr. Jackson: And we started measuring her oxygen saturation and I'll just be blunt, that is a very specific thing that I had to repent for, because fear motivated me to buy that tool.
• 12:34
  Dr. Jackson: And when you have fear, you check out of your critical thinking.
• 12:38
  Dr. Jackson: Critical thinking would have told me I have no baseline and if I'm going to purchase that tool, I better do some research beforehand, because I'm basically measuring something that I have no idea.
• 12:50
  Dr. Jackson: How does it even fit?
• 12:51
  Dr. Jackson: And now that I understand it and as you well know, I mean it's common that oxygen saturation will drop into the high 80s when you have a cold or flu, and on October 6th, grace's oxygen saturation dropped to 88%.
• 13:06
  Dr. Jackson: The protocol said that's an emergency.
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  Dr. Jackson: Take her to the hospital, and we did, and seven days later Grace was dead.
• 13:13
  Dr. Jackson: We admitted her, or agreed to admit her, to the hospital under the condition that I could stay number one, and the ER physician said we should admit Grace as a precautionary measure.
• 13:29
  Dr. Jackson: We'll put her on oxygen and a steroid for three, four days and then she'll be home.
• 13:34
  Dr. Jackson: I thought, well, that makes sense.
• 13:35
  Dr. Jackson: Grace is my best buddy.
• 13:36
  Dr. Jackson: We're going to do whatever it takes and ultimately, if they would have only done that, grace would be alive today.
• 13:48
  Dr. Jackson: But what happened is they had Grace start on a regular cannula.
• 13:50
  Dr. Jackson: We got into the room shortly after midnight on October 7th.
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  Dr. Jackson: Grace is on a regular cannula.
• 13:53
  Dr. Jackson: We got into the room shortly after midnight on October 7th.
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  Dr. Jackson: Grace was on a regular cannula throughout the day on the 7th.
• 13:58
  Dr. Jackson: It was just what I expected of a typical hospital stay.
• 14:01
  Dr. Jackson: Grace and I were watching movies, joking around, just having fun, and then they started their oxygen therapy protocol, which was first a Vapotherm, which is a high-flow cannula, and they have a way to turn it up.
• 14:19
  Dr. Jackson: Interestingly, I didn't even know she was on the high-flow cannula, they didn't tell me anything.
• 14:24
  Dr. Jackson: And she's on the high-flow cannula.
• 14:27
  Dr. Jackson: They end up turning it up so that you could hear whistling coming out of her nose and that really bothered her.
• 14:33
  Dr. Jackson: I mean, it would have bothered anybody.
• 14:34
  Dr. Jackson: And so in the process of that bothering her, they suggested well, we should switch to a BiPAP instead.
• 14:41
  Dr. Jackson: So there's a progression from nasal cannula, high flow cannula, to BiPAP and in that process they sedated Grace to get her comfortable with the BiPAP.
• 14:54
  Dr. Jackson: Grace had a reaction to the sedation med, which was Presidex combined with lorazepam, and they had to turn the Presidex down immediately.
• 15:04
  Dr. Jackson: Well, ultimately, grace the next day is recovering, so I thought I thought she was sleepy, but she's recovering from this over sedation event, which I was not aware of.
• 15:16
  Dr. Jackson: And she had a second event.
• 15:18
  Dr. Jackson: They started Presidex again and this time it just about killed her.
• 15:22
  Dr. Jackson: They had to use meds through a central line to revive her.
• 15:31
  Dr. Jackson: Again, I didn't even know this.
• 15:33
  Dr. Jackson: I'm in the hospital with her, but I did not know it.
• 15:37
  Dr. Jackson: And now we go to October 10th.
• 15:40
  Dr. Jackson: So remember, we started on October 6th in the ER, october 7th, first day in the room.
• 15:45
  Dr. Jackson: We get to the morning of October 10th and the head nurse showed up with an armed guard and said you need to leave immediately.
• 15:53
  Dr. Jackson: And I said what's the reason?
• 15:55
  Dr. Jackson: She said well, the last three shifts of nurses don't want you in the room.
• 15:59
  Dr. Jackson: And this was because I was challenging feeding grace.
• 16:02
  Dr. Jackson: I was challenging their oxygen numbers because my oxygen meter was not was reading 10 points higher than their meter and you know.
• 16:11
  Dr. Jackson: So the nurses didn't like to be challenged.
• 16:13
  Dr. Jackson: And the second thing she said was you've been shutting off the alarms at night.
• 16:18
  Dr. Jackson: And of course that was a complete lie.
• 16:20
  Dr. Jackson: Why would I shut off alarms?
• 16:22
  Dr. Jackson: What I was doing was resetting the alarms that were nonessential, because the nursing staff trained me how to do it.
• 16:28
  Dr. Jackson: And then, third, she said we suspect you have COVID.
• 16:32
  Dr. Jackson: Train me how to do it.
• 16:33
  Dr. Jackson: And then, third, she said we suspect you have COVID, which was a complete joke, because the doctor who was the hospitalist in charge of Grace's care told me I'm going to get COVID while I'm in the room.
• 16:42
  Dr. Jackson: I said I don't care, I'm here for Grace, not me.
• 16:44
  Dr. Jackson: Ultimately, I was escorted out.
• 16:48
  Dr. Jackson: My wife was sick at the time so she couldn't replace me.
• 16:53
  Dr. Jackson: We thought Jessica, our daughter, would replace me.
• 16:55
  Dr. Jackson: She tried to go to the hospital.
• 16:57
  Dr. Jackson: They wouldn't let her come in, so we ended up hiring an attorney to get Jessica in the room, and Grace was without an advocate at that point for 47 hours.
• 17:08
  Dr. Jackson: During that 47-hour window, they increased the dose of Presidex six different times.
• 17:15
  Dr. Jackson: They sedated Grace instead of taking care of her.
• 17:18
  Dr. Jackson: As we roll forward to Grace's last day on earth, just quickly, the night before her last day, the evening of October 12th, grace is doing fine In spite of at this point.
• 17:29
  Dr. Jackson: Through the medical records we see that she's been on Presidex for four full days.
• 17:33
  Dr. Jackson: The Presidex package insert says specifically to not use the drug for more than 24 hours or it causes acute respiratory failure and it caused many other side effects that are on the package insert that Grace had, but they completely ignored them.
• 17:52
  Dr. Jackson: Grace called us on FaceTime and we told her we loved her.
• 17:57
  Dr. Jackson: She told us she loved us.
• 17:59
  Dr. Jackson: She's doing this through a BiPAP.
• 18:00
  Dr. Jackson: She sat up in bed waving to her two nephews and yelling to them Hi, boys, she's doing fine in spite of being sedated.
• 18:10
  Dr. Jackson: As we rolled into October 13th, starting at midnight, they started increasing precedents beyond the dosages that caused over-sedation events on October 7th and 8th.
• 18:25
  Dr. Jackson: Interestingly, we had a phone call that started at 10, 12 in the morning on October 13th with the doctor.
• 18:34
  Dr. Jackson: During that call, they increased precedents to the maximum allowable dose at 1.4, which was 40% higher than the dose that caused the previous overdose events Simultaneous with hanging up the call.
• 18:52
  Dr. Jackson: At 10.55 the call, the call, and at 1056 the doctor put an illegal do not resuscitate order on grace's chart.
• 19:00
  Dr. Jackson: Um, it's hard to grasp what I'm going to tell you next, but what they did after that during that call, uh, we approved a feeding tube.
• 19:12
  Dr. Jackson: The doctor told us Grace is doing fine.
• 19:17
  Dr. Jackson: We need to get her bowels moving, we need to get her out of bed.
• 19:20
  Dr. Jackson: Today, all these things ended up being not the truth, but we approved a feeding tube based on his recommendation and his prognosis.
• 19:29
  Dr. Jackson: The nurse put a feeding tube in at about 1130 on the 13th.
• 19:36
  Dr. Jackson: Before that she gave Grace lorazepam she had not based on her deposition.
• 19:44
  Dr. Jackson: She said she never looked at the prior record.
• 19:47
  Dr. Jackson: She didn't know Grace was overdosed.
• 19:49
  Dr. Jackson: She didn't know that Grace was overdosed on the combination of Presidex and lorazepam.
• 19:55
  Dr. Jackson: When Grace's breathing started to increase and our expert during the trial said that Grace was experiencing metabolic acidosis so she was increasing her breathing to get rid of the carbon dioxide, the nurse, who had 18 years of ICU experience, gave her another dose of lorazepam at 546, another dose at 549.
• 20:19
  Dr. Jackson: Lorazepam has a 12-hour half-life.
• 20:22
  Dr. Jackson: So now she's got three doses of lorazepam along with the max dose of Presidex, and the lorazepam dose is now 50% higher than the dose when she had the overdose events previously.
• 20:37
  Dr. Jackson: Unbelievably, grace's blood pressure tanked to the point that at 6.08, she had no blood pressure.
• 20:45
  Dr. Jackson: Now the doctor is in the room with Grace and instead of realizing what's happening, he gave Grace morphine and he gave Grace morphine at 615.
• 20:55
  Dr. Jackson: So now Grace has three contraindicated meds in her system.
• 20:59
  Dr. Jackson: The morphine package insert said you're not supposed to combine those meds because they can cause death.
• 21:07
  Dr. Jackson: If you do, you're supposed to have the reversal drug bedside and directly monitor the patient.
• 21:12
  Dr. Jackson: That didn't happen.
• 21:13
  Dr. Jackson: To have the reversal drug bedside and directly monitor the patient that didn't happen, in fact.
• 21:19
  Dr. Jackson: What did happen?
• 21:20
  Dr. Jackson: They left Jessica in the room to monitor Grace and Jess begged the nurses to come in.
• 21:22
  Dr. Jackson: She knew something was going on with Grace because she started getting cold.
• 21:26
  Dr. Jackson: Finally, jess called Cindy and I at 718, panicking, and she said Dad, grace's numbers are dropping like crazy.
• 21:33
  Dr. Jackson: I said Get the nurses and she said grace's numbers are dropping like crazy.
• 21:34
  Dr. Jackson: I said get the nurses and she said I've been trying.
• 21:35
  Dr. Jackson: They refused.
• 21:36
  Dr. Jackson: So now we're on this facetime call and cindy and I on the call start screaming to the nurses who are outside the room and jessica estimated about 30 nurses because of shift change and we screamed save our daughter.
• 21:50
  Dr. Jackson: And they hollered back she's DNR, do not resuscitate.
• 21:54
  Dr. Jackson: This is the first time we knew that she was DNR and we screamed back of course, she's not DNR, save our daughter.
• 22:02
  Dr. Jackson: And they refused.
• 22:02
  Dr. Jackson: They wouldn't come in the room.
• 22:03
  Dr. Jackson: At the trial we learned that only a doctor can reverse the DNR order, so that's what they stood on as far as their excuse for not coming in the room and saving Grace, and we watched her die at 7.27 pm, nine minutes after Jess called us on the FaceTime call on October 13th of 2021.
• 22:27
  Dr. Jackson: Oh my goodness, I don't even know what to say, scott, I'm shocked.
• 22:37
  Dr. Jackson: I'm just totally overwhelmed.
• 22:39
  Dr. Jackson: I understand, I'm overwhelmed just telling the story again, I'm overwhelmed.
• 22:49
  Dr. Jackson: What I found out is that, as I started digging and we'll get into this but I found out that Grace was one of 1.2 million people who died in the same or similar fashions in hospitals during the 39-month COVID era, and the purpose of these hospital deaths was simply to create the fear porn so that it would convince people to take the jab.
• 23:19
  Dr. Jackson: That's exactly right To take the vaccine, the so-called vaccine.
• 23:23
  Dr. Jackson: The so-called vaccine.
• 23:24
  Dr. Jackson: Yeah, to increase the profits for the pharmaceutical industry.
• 23:29
  Dr. Jackson: Correct.
• 23:31
  Dr. Jackson: Exactly, oh my goodness gracious, exactly.
• 23:37
  Dr. Jackson: Yep, oh, my goodness gracious.
• 23:37
  Dr. Jackson: Interestingly, what got us going?
• 23:40
  Dr. Jackson: So Cindy and I instantly got in the car.
• 23:44
  Dr. Jackson: We drove to the hospital.
• 23:46
  Dr. Jackson: I stayed in the car, partially because I was sick, partially because I was kicked out previously, and Cindy went into the hospital.
• 23:57
  Dr. Jackson: Of course, at that point they don't care about anything.
• 23:59
  Dr. Jackson: You know before you know if somebody's alive they won't let you in or you've got to gown up in a spacesuit.
• 24:06
  Dr. Jackson: But now that Grace is dead, she can walk right in through a process of four hours.
• 24:15
  Dr. Jackson: You know they, jess and Cindy got Grace cleaned up.
• 24:19
  Dr. Jackson: You know all the things you do.
• 24:21
  Dr. Jackson: The person from the funeral home came, our pastor came and what got us into the mode that something nefarious happened was one of the nurses walked Cindy out and she had Grace's belongings on a cart and Cindy was being pushed out in the wheelchair by our pastor and she leaned down and said Mrs Shara, me and several of the nurses don't think Grace should have died today.
• 24:53
  Dr. Jackson: Oh, my goodness.
• 24:57
  Dr. Jackson: And that was the starting point as to the research that followed.
• 25:01
  Dr. Jackson: That got us into what we're doing today.
• 25:05
  Dr. Jackson: Oh my goodness, oh my goodness.
• 25:07
  Dr. Jackson: Well, my wife and I have discussed this.
• 25:11
  Dr. Jackson: What little bit we learned and what we gleaned from our reading about this on the Internet and a couple of stories in the print media.
• 25:20
  Dr. Jackson: And, of course, we have two special needs boys and you know they spent extended time in the hospital, both of them when they were young multiple surgeries, multiple surgeries, and you know we discussed what we would have done if we'd been excluded from the hospital when they were going through all of their surgeries and all of their sickness.
• 25:42
  Dr. Jackson: And my friend Scott, I don't know if I would have been able to control myself, if I would have been able to deal with the emotional angst of being excluded from the hospital like you were, and of course, you know your hospital stay was 10 days, I guess, if I'm understanding correctly.
• 26:02
  Dr. Jackson: But my boys were in the hospital for a year and a half and you know it was a very long experience for the both of them.
• 26:15
  Dr. Jackson: And multiple surgeries, serious heart surgeries, and if I had not been able to be a part of that, I just don't know.
• 26:22
  Dr. Jackson: I would have been beside myself and so I just my heart is just broken to listen to your story and to hear you tell about how.
• 26:37
  Dr. Jackson: And it's not just you, I know you're right.
• 26:39
  Dr. Jackson: I know that there have been literally millions of people who have experienced the same thing because of COVID and the policies of hospitals.
• 26:48
  Dr. Jackson: My patients have told me similar stories.
• 26:51
  Dr. Jackson: My patients have told me similar stories.
• 26:53
  Dr. Jackson: My friends have told me similar stories of being excluded from their parents or their children or their spouse while they were in the hospital because of COVID, hospital, covid policies and it's just unbearable.
• 27:12
  Dr. Jackson: Well, with what I've learned today, I realize that I still trusted the white coat, and that's why, when I was taken out by the armed guard, I left grace.
• 27:23
  Dr. Jackson: That was the first time we've ever left grace alone, but I still had trust in the system, and so, of course, if I could replay the event, I would have taken Grace with me.
• 27:36
  Dr. Jackson: Yes.
• 27:37
  Dr. Jackson: She was fine and she'd be alive today if I would have taken her home.
• 27:40
  Dr. Jackson: In fact, our expert at the trial said the same.
• 27:45
  Dr. Jackson: Yes yes, because she was fine.
• 27:47
  Dr. Jackson: I mean, I just thought you know this is where she needs to be right now.
• 27:51
  Dr. Jackson: And what I would tell anybody listening is you know to the extent you can stay out of a hospital, you should, but if you need to go into a advocate not allowing anybody to do anything unless you approve it, don't wait for them to give you informed consent.
• 28:20
  Dr. Jackson: That's a lie that we've been sold and we found out at the trial that informed consent is not necessary.
• 28:30
  Dr. Jackson: In fact, what the jury decided is you give implied consent when you enter a hospital that's right, and so the doctors have no responsibility to tell you anything, and so that we got to take that back.
• 28:43
  Dr. Jackson: You know, if you go into a hospital, you take that back.
• 28:45
  Dr. Jackson: You have that right, um, to bodily autonomy, and so you insist they do absolutely nothing unless you have approved it, and if they don't obey what you are insisting on, you move to another hospital.
• 29:02
  Dr. Jackson: First you request another doctor and second you move to another hospital, because that is the only way you're going to survive a hospital stay is to be the one in charge of your care.
• 29:13
  Dr. Jackson: That's right and you have to.
• 29:15
  Dr. Jackson: And doctors don't understand that.
• 29:17
  Dr. Jackson: Doctors have this authoritarian perspective that they're in charge and they don't respect your medical freedom and your bodily autonomy.
• 29:28
  Dr. Jackson: And it's a slap in the face to most physicians when they have a patient who assumes control of his own medical care and I see it all the time and when I have patients who assume control.
• 29:42
  Dr. Jackson: I respect that, but most physicians do not and it's a real slap in their face when there's a patient who exerts control over their own medical care.
• 29:54
  Dr. Jackson: And patients are not ignorant.
• 29:56
  Dr. Jackson: Patients know and they understand.
• 29:59
  Dr. Jackson: Many of my patients are very well educated about their illness, about the options that are available and the adverse effects of medications and medical care, and doctors are totally affronted by patients who assume control over their personal autonomy.
• 30:19
  Dr. Jackson: All right, well, listen, scott, our time is up for today.
• 30:22
  Dr. Jackson: Will you come back next week and let us talk further about this?
• 30:26
  Dr. Jackson: And I know that you have a calling and a ministry that you've stepped into because of what's happened to Miss Grace.
• 30:34
  Dr. Jackson: Would you come back next week and tell us all about that?
• 30:38
  Dr. Jackson: I would enjoy that very much.
• 30:40
  Dr. Jackson: All right, all right, well, you're listening to More Than Medicine.
• 30:42
  Dr. Jackson: I'm your host, dr Robert Jackson.
• 30:45
  Dr. Jackson: My guest today is Scott Shara.
• 30:47
  Dr. Jackson: He's the father of Grace Shara and you heard this heartbreaking story, and I'm going to have him back next week and he's going to tell us about the ministry that he's been called into, which I think is fascinating, and he's going to have a lot more to share with you that I think you really are going to want to hear.
• 31:06
  Dr. Jackson: All right, this is More Than Medicine.
• 31:08
  Dr. Jackson: I'm your host, dr Robert Jackson.
• 31:10
  Dr. Jackson: Remember, your doctor loves you and we'll be back again next week.
• 31:16
  Dr. Jackson: Till then, may the Lord bless you real good.
• 31:20
  Scott Schara: Thank you for listening to this edition of More Than Medicine.
• 31:24
  Scott Schara: For more information about the Jackson Family Ministry or to schedule a speaking engagement, go to their Facebook page, instagram or webpage at jacksonfamilyministrycom.
• 31:34
  Scott Schara: Also, don't forget to check out Dr Jackson's books that are available on Amazon.
• 31:40
  Scott Schara: The Family Doctor Speaks the Truth About Life in his first book, and the Family Doctor Speaks the Truth About Seed Planting.
• 31:49
  Scott Schara: Equipping Believers for Evangelism is his second.