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Texas woman LIVES IN FEAR after Judge LETS VIOLENT STALKER WALK FREE · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Why do we keep having domestic violence Awareness Month? We've
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Speaker 1: been having it for years. Why do we keep doing
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Speaker 1: that and then never actually do anything about it? Why
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Speaker 1: are women being murdered every day at the hands of
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Speaker 1: their quote intimate partner, very often the perpetrators having a
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Speaker 1: rap sheet as long as my arm. Why are these
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Speaker 1: guys and sorry guys, but it typically is the man.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes the female is the aggressor. Why do they keep
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Speaker 1: getting right back out from behind bars. I covered the
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Speaker 1: case of Kiera Hudson. She even had videos of her
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Speaker 1: being beaten by the Adam Benefield. He then tracks her
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Speaker 1: down on the way to draping the children off at school.
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Speaker 1: She's so afraid she's wearing a bulletproof vest. He rams
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Speaker 1: into her car, comes out with a shotgun and shots
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Speaker 1: her dead with the children in the back seat. He
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Speaker 1: had so many convictions under his belt. Why was he
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Speaker 1: walking free? Well, guess what, it's happened again. So Congress,
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Speaker 1: you can take your domestic awareness label and put it
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Speaker 1: where the sun don't shine. And I'm saying that nicely
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Speaker 1: in a loving and caring way until you do something
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Speaker 1: about it. Don't give me a proclamation that you're naming
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Speaker 1: a month after it. If you're going to allow the
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Speaker 1: violence to continue on women and mothers all across this country,
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Speaker 1: I mean, see grace. This is crime Stories. Thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us here at Fox Nation series XM
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Speaker 1: one eleven. Julian Chavez may he wrought in hell. You
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Speaker 1: know where I'm going with this. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our friend Randy Wallace at Fox twenty six. Here's a
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Speaker 1: breaking bond First, Chavez actually did time in jail and
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Speaker 1: was convicted of four misdemeanors while still on bond. For
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Speaker 1: the felony charges, he did time in the county jail
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Speaker 1: four times while on bond, and yet was still allowed
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Speaker 1: to remain on bond and still allowed to be put
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Speaker 1: back in the community to make her life a living hell.
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Speaker 1: Chavez was recently charged with violating a protective order of felony.
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Speaker 1: He was found in possession of a nine millimeter block handgun.
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Speaker 1: It's documented Tiber Domestic Viole Awareness Month, but judges don't
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Speaker 1: seem to know anything about that, and they are perpetrating
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Speaker 1: a very dangerous trend of letting violent offenders back out
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Speaker 1: revolving doors. They barely have time for the ink to
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Speaker 1: dry on the purps fingerprints before they get out, and
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Speaker 1: where do they go first to go stop and harass
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Speaker 1: and murder the original female victim. I mean, I got
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Speaker 1: a question for you joining me special guests, chow win now,
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Speaker 1: I want you to know how that's spelled chau last
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Speaker 1: and stuff at chow When Houston. She's a licensed trauma therapist. Child.
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Speaker 1: Just the rhetorical question, but just hearing me, why do
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Speaker 1: we even have Domestic Violence Awareness Month? It's total best
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Speaker 1: to keep screaming from the top of our roofs to
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Speaker 1: protect survivors, and what they want to do are two things, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: They want to heal from their wounds and they want accountability.
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Speaker 1: And the systems that are meant to protect survivors fail
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Speaker 1: them when perpetrators get out of jail time after time.
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Speaker 1: I mean, can you imagine the abject fear this woman
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Speaker 1: is living in thinking that her perpetrator, her abuser, is
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Speaker 1: going to jail, but he keeps getting out. That affects
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Speaker 1: your trauma response for a lifetime. You know what, I
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Speaker 1: hear you chawin and I want her to get emotionally
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Speaker 1: and mentally well, but I can't do that if she's dead.
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Speaker 1: And seemingly that's okay with this judge. They keeps letting
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Speaker 1: Julian shovez out this Houston, Texas judge. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: more from our friend Randy Wallace, Fox twenty six. Based
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Speaker 1: on court documents, twenty one year old Julian Chaves will
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Speaker 1: not abide by his bond conditions, but he will keep
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Speaker 1: getting new criminal charges. And they keep releasing this guy,
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Speaker 1: and he keeps harassing, stalking, breaking into her home. Almost
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Speaker 1: all of the misdemeanor and felony charges filed against Chavez
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Speaker 1: involved the same woman. The charges include stalking and harassment.
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Speaker 1: How could you put any faith in our system when
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Speaker 1: you keep releasing this guy over and over again and
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Speaker 1: he keeps repeating the same crimes over and over again. Guys,
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Speaker 1: he's not the only horses ass in this scenario. Julian
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Speaker 1: Chavez is out roaming the streets. We've got a judge
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Speaker 1: to deal with. Take a listen to more from Randy Wallace.
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Speaker 1: The DA's office has two hundred and thirty second criminal
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Speaker 1: District Judge Josh Hill to revoke Chaves his bond and
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Speaker 1: deny Bill for the leaders charge. Instead, Judge Josh Hill
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Speaker 1: set Chaves his bond at one hundred thousand dollars. Chavez
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Speaker 1: is now a freeman. She filed a protective order. A
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Speaker 1: protective order is supposed to protect victims from their perpetrators,
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Speaker 1: not leave them in fear of their lives. Who and
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Speaker 1: the h E double l is this horse is rear
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Speaker 1: ind Judge Josh Hill, I'll tell you he is and
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Speaker 1: experienced criminal defense lawyer. Thank you. Let that so ken.
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Speaker 1: So you're a woman who has been stopped and harassed
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Speaker 1: and tortured, and you're in front of a judge whose
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Speaker 1: only history is of criminal defense defending the perpetrator. And
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Speaker 1: let's just get real, Nicole de board Hote club is
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Speaker 1: with me renown criminal defense attorney out of Houston, former
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Speaker 1: prosecutor at Houston criminal Defense dot com or Twitter to
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Speaker 1: board law Nicole, can we just get real for a
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Speaker 1: moment when we hear a bond is set at one
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Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars, well, that's that is misleading because all
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Speaker 1: the part hasts to put up at most is ten
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Speaker 1: percent of that. Well, that's true, But I have to
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Speaker 1: say there are quite a few things here that are
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Speaker 1: a little bit not quite correct. And one thing that
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Speaker 1: I think is worth pointing out is that this particular
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Speaker 1: judge is well respected by the District Attorney's office and
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Speaker 1: by the defense far because he is a former prosecutor
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Speaker 1: as well as a defense lawyer. Oh, then that means
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Speaker 1: he should know better. Well. In Texas, the law requires
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Speaker 1: that the prosecutor make a motion, and the law also
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Speaker 1: requires that the judge give a hearing. This judge has
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Speaker 1: set a hearing as required by law in this particular case.
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Speaker 1: Hands are tied. So are you telling me that he
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Speaker 1: cannot overrule what a prosecutor offers. The prosecutor in this
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Speaker 1: case has offered nothing. They have only filed a motion.
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Speaker 1: The law requires that they put on evidence in a
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Speaker 1: hearing that has not occurred. So how did they get
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Speaker 1: a bond set without a hearing? Because that he is
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Speaker 1: absolutely required by the constitution in the state of Texas
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Speaker 1: and the law to give a bond. If the prosecution
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Speaker 1: wants no bond, they have to have this hearing and
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Speaker 1: present evidence. Then why did the judge set the bond
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Speaker 1: so low? It's this bond for this type of crime
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Speaker 1: is ten times what it normally is in this jurisdiction
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Speaker 1: for this type of case. With a guy with this history.
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Speaker 1: You know what, let's talk about the history. Joining me,
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Speaker 1: Andy Khan, Director of Victim Services and Advocacy Crime Stoffers, Houston, Andy,
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Speaker 1: this guy has a rap sheet as long as my
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Speaker 1: arm and the judge and the prosecutor Nicole is right
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Speaker 1: about that. They both have the rap sheet. They can
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Speaker 1: see what this guy, Julian Chavez, has been doing. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: the judge, in my opinion, gives a low bond. He
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Speaker 1: has violated his GPS conditions repeatedly. He's been charged with
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Speaker 1: unpainted amount of crimes while out on multiple bonds. I'm
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Speaker 1: just going to read from the notes that are presented
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Speaker 1: to the magistrate there are no bond conditions that will
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Speaker 1: protect this complainant. The defendant continues to threaten, harass, and
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Speaker 1: stalk her. Even if you had to grant a bond,
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Speaker 1: you could have made it astronomically high to send a message.
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Speaker 1: You could have said half a million dollars. You could
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Speaker 1: have easily have done that. And let's keep in mind
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Speaker 1: his bond had actually been forfeited on the felonies three
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Speaker 1: times because he didn't show up in court, and then
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Speaker 1: they reinstated his bond. Like Randy and I have said
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Speaker 1: in this story that we did, this guy was actually
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Speaker 1: convicted of four offenses and sentenced to time served in
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Speaker 1: a county jail four different times, and yet still allowed
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Speaker 1: to remain on felony bond. Yeah. I get it, there's
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Speaker 1: a hearing set, but in the meantime he's been out. Okay,
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Speaker 1: So wait, wait, wait, let me understand the hearing that
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Speaker 1: Nicole de board Punch Globe was demanding has actually been set,
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Speaker 1: but instead I'm letting the defendant sit there for the
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Speaker 1: hearing or move the hearing up. The judge gave a
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Speaker 1: low bond. Ten thousand is a low bond when you
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Speaker 1: are a repeat offender. And number one, so the hearing
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Speaker 1: was set, Andy Kahan, based on what you're telling me.
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Speaker 1: And number two, what notes are you talking about? Notes
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Speaker 1: to what magistrate notes when he was taken into custody
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Speaker 1: several times specifically state that no bond conditions will protect
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Speaker 1: this twenty year old victim who's been repeatedly stalked, harassed,
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Speaker 1: has had her home broken into. He has violated every
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Speaker 1: time there's been a protective order, he's removed and taken
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Speaker 1: off his GPS. I don't know what makes you think
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Speaker 1: by releasing him, he's gonna buye by any condition. You
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Speaker 1: and I both know these are the cases that will
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Speaker 1: eventually end up on the ten o'clock news. One ends
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Speaker 1: up pace and paying the price, and then we all
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Speaker 1: shrug our shoulders and fame outrage. We had a chance
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Speaker 1: to be proactive in this particular case because the defendant
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Speaker 1: has repeatedly said, I'm not going to buy by anything
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Speaker 1: you give me. So let's cut this out, put him
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Speaker 1: back in custody, and then you can determine what happens
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Speaker 1: from here. But in the meantime, give this twenty year
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Speaker 1: old young lady some peace of mind and restore her
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Speaker 1: faith in the justice system. As another homicide statistic Time
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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Randy Wallace joining me, you've heard
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Speaker 1: his awesome reporting, joining us from Fox twenty six in Houston.
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Speaker 1: Randy tell me the whole thing start at the beginning. Well,
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Speaker 1: the one thing that I do want to point out
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Speaker 1: is that Josh Judge, Josh Hill, he has kind of
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Speaker 1: a history of doing this He's one of several judges
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Speaker 1: that have released repeat violent offenders out on multiple bonds
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Speaker 1: and then they go on to allegedly commit a murder.
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Speaker 1: And I mean, Andy and I have seen many times where,
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Speaker 1: especially in these domestic violent situations, where the perpetrator just
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Speaker 1: goes on until they eventually killed the woman. And I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's totally prevailable if you just put these people back
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Speaker 1: in jail for violating conditions of their bonds. Hey, hey, Randy,
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Speaker 1: Randy Wallace joining us in Fox twenty six so I
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Speaker 1: can hear all that Nicole has to say about him
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Speaker 1: being a former prosecutor and longtime defense attorney and how
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Speaker 1: well respected he is really because here he is in
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Speaker 1: the headlines judge answering questions about suspects bonds and that's
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Speaker 1: six months ago, eight months ago, and he goes on
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Speaker 1: and on and on. Even the newspapers are writing about
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Speaker 1: his low bonds and how these people get out and
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Speaker 1: commit murder. How did the whole thing start, Randy Wallace, Well,
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Speaker 1: it all started out I guess around two thousand nineteen.
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Speaker 1: It was Anti Kahn who sort of noticed this pattern
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Speaker 1: where these people were out on multiple bonds. And when
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Speaker 1: he first brought it to my ATENSI and I was like, no, Eddy,
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Speaker 1: that's not possible. You can't have six of eight felony bonds. Well,
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Speaker 1: obviously it was true, and we're up to I think
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Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty three Harris County residents who were
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Speaker 1: killed allegedly at the hands of a repeat violent offender
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Speaker 1: who's free from jail on multiple felony bonds. I've never
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Speaker 1: seen anything like it in the three decades that I've
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Speaker 1: been reporting for Fox twenty six year in Houston. Here's
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Speaker 1: another headline where this judge what's his name again, Randy Wallace,
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Speaker 1: Josh Hill, Josh Kill Okay. According to court records, October nineteen,
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Speaker 1: defendant named Tatum charged with murder on a murder as
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Speaker 1: bonds said at fifty thousand, which means basically has to
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Speaker 1: put out his mother's house. That means five thousand dollars bond.
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Speaker 1: He made a bond a few days later, and while
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Speaker 1: out on bond for that murder, he's charged with agasol
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Speaker 1: with a deadly weapon. So, long story short, here's a
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Speaker 1: guy denied bond finally on an accused murder, and he
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Speaker 1: was actually out on bond for another murder, and then
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Speaker 1: there's an agassault in there somewhere. So he's out on
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Speaker 1: bond for murder, he commits another murder. That was all
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Speaker 1: the way back at starting in twenty nineteen, and now
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Speaker 1: the same judge has let Julian Chavez out. Randy Wallace
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Speaker 1: explained to me the degree of stalking and harassment on
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Speaker 1: this twenty year old female. Well, I think Andy hit
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Speaker 1: it on the head when he was reading from the
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Speaker 1: court document that basically, and it's true, there's no bond
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Speaker 1: conditions that will protect this woman. He repeatedly, repeatedly violated
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Speaker 1: the terms of his bond. There were a lot of
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Speaker 1: times when he either didn't have on the track device
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Speaker 1: or the battery was dead. That's something else too. I
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Speaker 1: think what really upsets me the most anymore is that
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Speaker 1: you know they put these people on monitoring devices. Well,
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Speaker 1: half the time the defendant doesn't bother to actually get it,
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Speaker 1: or they don't wear it. We've done many stories where
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Speaker 1: the defendant is wearing an electronic monitoring device when they're
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Speaker 1: committing another crime. Je Mike Herman joining me, private investigator.
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Speaker 1: You can find him at Hermann Investigations. That's Hermann with
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Speaker 1: two ends. On the end Herman Investigations dot Com former
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Speaker 1: Lieutenant author Mike Herman. He was found. Now this is
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Speaker 1: while he's out on bond, a low bond set by
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Speaker 1: Judge Josh Hill, who has a terrible reputation of letting
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Speaker 1: people out on bond. That shitt me out on bond.
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Speaker 1: While he's out on bond, he's in possession of a
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Speaker 1: Glock nine. Explain what is the glock nine and why
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Speaker 1: it's so dangerous. Well, it's obviously has the possession of
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Speaker 1: a firearm. The restraining order and protective orders didn't keep
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Speaker 1: him from being able to obtain one. The biggest issues
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Speaker 1: we're saying is this isn't just this is a nationwide
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Speaker 1: We've gotten to a point to where we want to
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Speaker 1: protect the criminals out there, and we're under the name
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Speaker 1: of reform where you're constantly getting released where you should be.
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Speaker 1: Some of these guys need to stay in custody, but
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Speaker 1: they constantly get released, and they keep committing these crimes
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Speaker 1: and then they go out with all these charges and
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Speaker 1: he's still able to get hold of a weapon. And yes,
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Speaker 1: this poor girl's going to end up dead down the
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Speaker 1: line and nobody's going to hold this guy responsible for
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Speaker 1: his actions. But we want to make excuses that it's
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Speaker 1: the system, and then you want to blame law enforcement
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Speaker 1: for not doing their job. Well, how many times are
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Speaker 1: they supposed to go out and let me let me
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Speaker 1: tell you, let me tell you exactly what he did.
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Speaker 1: So he goes to the victim's home and again remind you,
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Speaker 1: he's already on multiple protective orders, and she doesn't open
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Speaker 1: the door. He kicks the door open three or four times.
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Speaker 1: Then the complainant of the young lady, she ran into
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Speaker 1: the kitchen. The defendant stops, he punches a mirror that
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Speaker 1: was hanging on the wall. Then he's also found while
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Speaker 1: there after the police come. He's found in possession of
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Speaker 1: a nine millimeter glock handgun. This was just the latest
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Speaker 1: offense that he had. Six months earlier, he broke into
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Speaker 1: her home and basically vandalized and destroyed it just to
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Speaker 1: let her know that I'm still here. No charges are
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Speaker 1: going to stop me, no conditions of bond are going
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Speaker 1: to stop me, And I am going to characterize you
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Speaker 1: as often as I can. Yet I continue to go
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Speaker 1: back and say, you know what, this defendant pretty much
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Speaker 1: bears his bones as to who and what he is repeatedly,
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Speaker 1: but the system keeps allowing him out to do what
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Speaker 1: he does best. And we all know where this is
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Speaker 1: going to end up one day if we continue to
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Speaker 1: let him out in the community, which appears to be
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Speaker 1: the norm these days. I was mentioning and questioning what
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Speaker 1: exactly is the glott of nine? Is a glott nine
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Speaker 1: millimeter weapon And despite how long the Glotton nine has
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Speaker 1: been around, due to innovations in the ammunition, lethality and
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Speaker 1: the squeeze greater performance, it is now build as one
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Speaker 1: of the top five deadliest nine nine millimeter ever. And
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Speaker 1: here this guy is who has multiple protection orders against
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Speaker 1: him and it's out on bond. Here he is with
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Speaker 1: a loaded Glot nine to Randy Wallace joining a Fox
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Speaker 1: twenty six. How can that be? How can there be
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Speaker 1: so many protective orders? And basically hold on Nicole's board globe,
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Speaker 1: What is a protective order? Exactly? So, in Harris County,
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Speaker 1: the prosecutor has the well in all counties in Texas,
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Speaker 1: the prosecutor has the option to file when there is
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Speaker 1: a case involving domestic violence allegations a protective order. And
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Speaker 1: in the state of Texas it is also a crime
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Speaker 1: to violate those conditions. It has been the regular practice
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Speaker 1: in this county for many years to go ahead and
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Speaker 1: file the order. It has been a less consistent practice
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Speaker 1: by the District Attorney's office to actually file criminal charges
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Speaker 1: when they buy Okay, my question to you was, what
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Speaker 1: is a protective order for people that don't know, so
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Speaker 1: if protective order is an order from the court saying
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Speaker 1: that they cannot a person charged with the crime involving
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Speaker 1: domestic violence cannot go anywhere near the residence, workplace, or
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Speaker 1: school of ldren involving the complainant in the case, and
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Speaker 1: if they do, they can be charged with a crime.
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Speaker 1: Randy Wallace, Fox twenty six. How many do we even
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Speaker 1: know protective orders have been filed against Julian Chevez. I'm
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Speaker 1: sure there was one in this case. Yes, several several,
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Speaker 1: and he's basically ignored them, and their court has allowed
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Speaker 1: him to ignore them because nothing is done to him.
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Speaker 1: And one thing I want to point out real quick,
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Speaker 1: there was a period of time in Harris County where
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Speaker 1: you didn't have to have ten percent of bond amount.
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Speaker 1: There were there were bail bonding companies that two three
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Speaker 1: was all you needed of the bond amount to get
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Speaker 1: out of jail. To you, Andy Kahan, explain how the
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Speaker 1: bail bondsman fit into this when you can't. So this judge,
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Speaker 1: this weak judge, Josh Hill, there's one hundred thousand dollars bail.
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Speaker 1: So then that means you only have to put up
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Speaker 1: ten percent of that, which is ten thousand. But if
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Speaker 1: Julie Chavez as a have ten grand or property worth
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Speaker 1: ten grand, he goes to a bail bondsman and explain
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Speaker 1: how that works. He's got to have basically nothing in
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Speaker 1: exchange for a bond. Well, based on his financial advid David,
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Speaker 1: he doesn't work, he doesn't know where he lives, because
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Speaker 1: he only says he's been living at this place for
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Speaker 1: two weeks. So it's a great mystery where he keeps
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Speaker 1: up coming up with all the money for all these bonds.
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Speaker 1: But obviously somebody's putting up the bond for him. So
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Speaker 1: prior to eight April or actually May of two twenty two,
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Speaker 1: there were several bonding companies in Harris County that kind
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Speaker 1: of figured out that we don't even have to do
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Speaker 1: ten percent. We can put you on a payment plan,
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Speaker 1: and some of them were going two percent three percent,
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Speaker 1: four percent, and then kind of like buying a car
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Speaker 1: every month, any of you would put up some money
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Speaker 1: to continue the bond. Whether that was done in this case,
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Speaker 1: we really don't know. But it's against policy right now
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Speaker 1: in Harris County to do a less than ten percent bond.
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Speaker 1: And let's keep in mind on this particular case, he
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Speaker 1: has already been convicted twice of violating a protective order
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Speaker 1: and he was actually sentenced to time in a Harris
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Speaker 1: County jail for several hundred days. So you've got convictions
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Speaker 1: of violating a protective order, You've got convictions of criminal trespassing,
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Speaker 1: all in which he breaks into the victim's home. You
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Speaker 1: have felony stocking charges, and now finally you get another
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Speaker 1: felony violating a protective order, only this time he's down
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Speaker 1: a possession of a nine millimeter glock handgun and he's
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Speaker 1: still allowed to return back to the community. Is it true,
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Speaker 1: Nicole Debord hots Globe joining US lawyer in Houston, that
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Speaker 1: this judge has released Tiendafantas on bond who went on
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Speaker 1: to allegedly commit murder. Let me tell you a little secret.
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Speaker 1: Whether this judge has or not, I do not know.
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Speaker 1: But the next judge that sits on this bench, if
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Speaker 1: it's not the same judge, will do exactly the same thing. Okay,
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Speaker 1: stop if you don't know the answer, that's okay. But
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Speaker 1: I don't think are a soothsayer or a fortune teller
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Speaker 1: or a clairvoyant. So you have no idea what the
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Speaker 1: next judge may or may not do. And yes, I'm
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Speaker 1: not sure that you know that. There are several lawyers
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Speaker 1: on the panel. We all know about the Constitution. We
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Speaker 1: all know that there are bell hearings required under the Constitution.
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Speaker 1: But whether the judge grants it or goes along with
24:45
Speaker 1: what the DA says or suggests is not determined by
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Speaker 1: the Constitution. The judge determines that, Andy Kahan, Now I've
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Speaker 1: got to consider the source, and I'm telling get it
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Speaker 1: with a box of salt. But Joshua Norman running against Hill,
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Speaker 1: which thank god, somebody's running against him. I don't know
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Speaker 1: the man. I wouldn't know him if he jumped up
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Speaker 1: and bit me in the neck. I don't have a
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Speaker 1: dog in this fight. But I do know what the
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Speaker 1: stats are saying about Judge Josh Hill. So his competitor,
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Speaker 1: Josh Norman and again, take it with a box of salt, says.
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Speaker 1: Hill has released ten defendants who go on bond they
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Speaker 1: go on to commit alleged murder. But it's not just
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Speaker 1: those ten. I'm talking about this chase right now, Chevez. Well,
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Speaker 1: keep in mind too that while on bond, he forfeited
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Speaker 1: his bond, so he didn't even show up in court.
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Speaker 1: So I don't know what more you need to think
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Speaker 1: that this person represents a danger to community. Okay, and
25:50
Speaker 1: even let's go back and say you have to give
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Speaker 1: a bond, and I get that you have to have
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Speaker 1: a bond hearing. That's what you have to do, yea,
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Speaker 1: to have a hearing. Go ahead. This guy is such
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Speaker 1: a threat to the community. It's fairly obvious. So instead
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Speaker 1: of putting it one hundred grand, you could have sent
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Speaker 1: the message and saying, you know what, mister Shabbaz, every
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Speaker 1: time I release you one bond, you commit another offense.
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Speaker 1: Enough is enough. This time you were found in possession
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Speaker 1: of the nine millimeter glock handgun. I'm going to set
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Speaker 1: the bond astronomically high so you can't meet it. That
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Speaker 1: didn't happen. So now we're putting this young lady's life
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Speaker 1: in danger and it's not the first time it's happened.
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Speaker 1: We were just reporting on Kiera Hudson in Upstate New York,
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Speaker 1: taking us an hour cut to be our friends from
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Speaker 1: wk b W. She's just been trying to get help.
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Speaker 1: I've been with her once to police stations. She's been
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Speaker 1: texting me, sending me videos, giving me her phone password
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Speaker 1: just in case. Montaga. Jeter says her sister, Kiara Hudson,
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Speaker 1: was in an abusive relationship, even posting a disturbing video
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Speaker 1: on social media that shows her getting beaten up. Jeter
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Speaker 1: says her sister was staying with her mother because she
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Speaker 1: feared for her life. He was going to stand at
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Speaker 1: my mom hospital last two days and she was going
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Speaker 1: to go to court today because he was trying to
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Speaker 1: get custody in but she never made it to court
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Speaker 1: or work. Family members telling me Kara strapped on a
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Speaker 1: bulletproof vest before leaving the house Wednesday morning, got in
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Speaker 1: her SUV with her three kids and was on her
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Speaker 1: way to drop them off at school when she was
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Speaker 1: shot and killed. Shot and kill. Mom sair afraid she
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Speaker 1: was wearing a bulletproof vest. But listen to this. Our
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Speaker 1: friends at wiv B Cut sixteen. B Adam Benefield's past
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Speaker 1: includes an escape from a local jail and a violent
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Speaker 1: domestic incident with an ex girlfriend. Back in March two thousand,
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Speaker 1: Benefield was armed with a shotgun when he abducted his
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Speaker 1: estranged girlfriend and another woman on the Kensington Expressway before
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Speaker 1: leading police on a high speed chase. He was twenty
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Speaker 1: two at the time of the incident. Then, in September
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Speaker 1: of the same year, while awaiting trial, he escaped from
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Speaker 1: the Erie County Correctional Facility in Alden by climbing over
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Speaker 1: a fifteen foot wall. That was Kiera Hudson. But let's
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Speaker 1: go back to what's happening right there in Houston, taking
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Speaker 1: us at our Cut thirteen. The greatest love the purse
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Speaker 1: can have given their life for another person, and that's
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Speaker 1: exactly what she did. On Saturday. Police say Bocan was
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Speaker 1: trying to help her co worker get inside the business
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Speaker 1: after a Humphrey stole her purse and was rattling with
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Speaker 1: the guy, trying to get him away where she could
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Speaker 1: shut the door and lock it, and he stuck a
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Speaker 1: gun up there and shot her. Humphrey was shot to
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Speaker 1: death Monday by Sheriff Steppy's fearing he was armed. Twenty
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Speaker 1: eight year old Nathan Humphrey Junior was a career criminal.
28:53
Speaker 1: Here's someone as a teenager you're going back and look
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Speaker 1: at his record. He got five years in a penitential
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Speaker 1: you know, back in two twelve for aggerator robbery with
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Speaker 1: a deadly weapon. In August of last year, Humphrey was
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Speaker 1: freed from jail with a person of a cognitance bond
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Speaker 1: for a terroristic threat charge. He never returned to courts,
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Speaker 1: but picked up two felawy assault charges. He was a
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Speaker 1: wanted fugitive when officials say he gunned down fifty nine
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Speaker 1: year olds Robin Bochum, the manager of a North Side
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Speaker 1: cracker barrel. You know what, Let's bring it back to
29:26
Speaker 1: this case and what we call domestic violence Awareness Month.
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Speaker 1: Take listen to our friend Randy Wallace, he cut twenty five.
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Speaker 1: Some judges here at Harris County are behind a disturbing trend.
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Speaker 1: Back in twenty seventeen, only thirty defendants were granted bond
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Speaker 1: for violating a protective order. Last year that number rose
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Speaker 1: to four hundred and twenty. Joshua Norman, who's running against
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Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty. Second Criminal District Court Judge Josh
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Speaker 1: Shild says Judge Hill has released ten defendants on bond
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Speaker 1: who on to allegedly commit murder. It's ten people that
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Speaker 1: perhaps to need to lose their lives for a variety
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Speaker 1: of different reasons, but it's just it's not good for
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Speaker 1: the community. It basically is terrible for public safety. Judge
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Speaker 1: Josh Schill told us he of course cannot discuss a
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Speaker 1: pending case, but says he might consider doing an interview
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Speaker 1: later this week Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. So judges
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Speaker 1: here at Harris County are behind a disturbing trend. Back
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Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen, only thirty defendants were granted bond for
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Speaker 1: violating a protective order. Last year, that number rose to
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Speaker 1: four hundred and twenty. Joshua Normand, who's running against two
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Speaker 1: hundred and thirty. Second Criminal District Court Judge Josh Schilt,
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Speaker 1: says Judge Hill has released ten defendants on bond who
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Speaker 1: went on to allegedly commit murder. It's ten people that
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Speaker 1: perhaps didn't need to lose their lives for a variety
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Speaker 1: of different reasons, but it's just it's not good for
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Speaker 1: the community. It basically is terrible for public safety. Judge
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Speaker 1: Joshill told us he of course cannot discuss a pending case,
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Speaker 1: but says he might consider doing an interview later this week.
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Speaker 1: Can't discuss, okay. Randy Wallace joining us from Fox twenty
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Speaker 1: six Houston. I want to get back on track with
31:28
Speaker 1: Julian Chavez. Where does the case stand right now? Well,
31:32
Speaker 1: right now, he's basically walking the streets among us, and
31:36
Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to even believe that somebody could
31:41
Speaker 1: be accused of all the things that he's accused of,
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Speaker 1: all the violations, and yet he's a freeman, as we speak,
31:48
Speaker 1: a freeman. Andy Kahn, a freeman. Mike Kerman the cold Board,
31:53
Speaker 1: Hodge Flood weigh in. Mike Kerman, you're basically killing the
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Speaker 1: victims here that the system is not going to protect you.
31:59
Speaker 1: They don't care, it doesn't care about you. You're on
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Speaker 1: your own, and you're forcing them to take the steps
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Speaker 1: to have to figure out how they're going to defend
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Speaker 1: themselves or hide away, while you're allowing these people to
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Speaker 1: go out and just take advantage and do anything they
32:15
Speaker 1: want to do it again. Yeah, he's out on a
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Speaker 1: bond and he's got a loaded handgun on him, and
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Speaker 1: still you're going to get released. It just makes no
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Speaker 1: sense to Andy Kahn, the director of the Victim's Services,
32:29
Speaker 1: an advocacy at Crime Staffers of Houston. Andy, could you
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Speaker 1: again for me and for others that didn't get it
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Speaker 1: the first time, because there's so much it's like drinking
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Speaker 1: out of the fire hydrant. What exactly is it a
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Speaker 1: LaGG Chavez did to the young female victim in this case,
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Speaker 1: the latest case, and keep in mind there's nine other
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Speaker 1: charges for him which he's been convicted of where he
32:55
Speaker 1: broke into her home, chased her, smashed her mint window,
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Speaker 1: and displayed a non millimeter glock handgun. That's what he's
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Speaker 1: currently out on bond for now. The District Attorney's office
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Speaker 1: asked for no bail. They also stated no conditions of
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Speaker 1: bond will keep this victim safe. He has violated every
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Speaker 1: condition of bond every time you have released him. In
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Speaker 1: the last two years, He's been convicted four times while
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Speaker 1: out on bond. Yet he's back out again. It's going
33:29
Speaker 1: to be very interesting to see what happens in the
33:32
Speaker 1: light of some of the coverage that we put on
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Speaker 1: this particular case. But my concern is for this twenty
33:38
Speaker 1: year old who has to live in fear every second,
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Speaker 1: every minute of somebody who's repeatedly shown he's not going
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Speaker 1: to do anything you ask him. Did I hear you
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Speaker 1: correctly that the projectors asked for no bond? That is correct.
33:54
Speaker 1: I'm looking right at the document right here, no bail requested, Nicole,
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Speaker 1: Dear Hodge Club, I thought you said that that was
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Speaker 1: not the case. No, that is the case. The problem
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Speaker 1: in Harris County is that they follow these as forms
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Speaker 1: and then don't follow up with the necessary evidence required
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Speaker 1: by state law. In this case, they have actually asked
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Speaker 1: for a hearing, which is the necessary second step. They
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Speaker 1: actually have to present evidence. They can't just file the form.
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Speaker 1: The judge's hands are tied. He cannot hold someone at
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Speaker 1: no bond just because they file the form. Okay, question,
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Speaker 1: how about the fact that he could read the documents.
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Speaker 1: Judge Josh Hill had all these documents about chevest that
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Speaker 1: he doesn't have the documents? Are you telling me, Nicole
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Speaker 1: that he doesn't have the defenitive rap sheet in front
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Speaker 1: of him. He doesn't until they admitted as part of
34:47
Speaker 1: the hearing. That is absolutely not true. When a judge
34:53
Speaker 1: looks at a bond, whether it's part of a hearing
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Speaker 1: or not. The judge has the rap sheet at the
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Speaker 1: bare minimum in his judicial file or hers. He does
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Speaker 1: not have to be submitted by the prosecutor. The judge
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Speaker 1: has that and his or her own file. This judge,
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Speaker 1: they've got to subment judgment. As I was trying to say,
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Speaker 1: Andy Kahn, when a judge has a bond decision, whether
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Speaker 1: it's a full on hearing or granting the bond, they
35:30
Speaker 1: have the defendant's rap sheet. Judge Josh Hill knew who
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Speaker 1: this guy is and what his rap sheet was when
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Speaker 1: he cut him loose. I would be stunned if he
35:40
Speaker 1: didn't know what was happening, because, like you said, he
35:43
Speaker 1: said one hundred thousand dollars bond, which is rather high
35:47
Speaker 1: for violence. So you had to have known this person
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Speaker 1: was a repeat offender in order to set what you
35:53
Speaker 1: will presume to be a high bond. And also one
35:57
Speaker 1: of the builds that we passed last session Nfil six
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Speaker 1: actually required that criminal history you'd be read and actually
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Speaker 1: signed off on at least by a magistrate before you
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Speaker 1: grant a bond. It would be stunning to hear that
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Speaker 1: this particular judge was not aware of his criminal history
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Speaker 1: and acclivity to violate his bond on teeth amount of times.
36:20
Speaker 1: Back to Randy Wallace fought twenty six Houston. You asked
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Speaker 1: the judge to give a comment. What happened? He basically, well,
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Speaker 1: like I said in the piece, you know, he said
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Speaker 1: that I can't, of course comment on appending case in
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Speaker 1: his court, but he was considering doing an interview. I've
36:42
Speaker 1: been doing Breaking Bond about these judges, an ongoing series
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Speaker 1: for more than two years, and there's only one current
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Speaker 1: judge that's actually done an interview. She appeared on the
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Speaker 1: behind Breaking Bond, a live stream that that I do
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Speaker 1: with Andy Khanja Oh India. Can't think of her name?
37:02
Speaker 1: What's her name? And Marissa and two for eighty second. Yes,
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Speaker 1: but these judges are just they want to do these things.
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Speaker 1: They don't want to answer any questions about it. And
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Speaker 1: if a judge cannot actually put you in jail for
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Speaker 1: violating the conditions of your bond, what's the whole reason
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Speaker 1: behind it? Why even bother? Right now she has is
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Speaker 1: walking free. His twenty year old victim remains unnamed because
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Speaker 1: she is afraid We wait as justice and faults. Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace from story sum Offer