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Episode 23 | Monday Night Rewind | Wayne Bunn | Taylor Haines · Top Row Racing Media Monday Night Rewind

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  What's up I? Don't know about the sooner
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  you're doing it. Take it, Lewis.
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  No, you go ahead. I'm we're doing technical stuff
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  right now, so. Fair enough.
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  Welcome into the Monday Night Rewind presented by Federated
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  Auto Parts and ELH Detailing on top row Racing media live on a
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  Monday. Having a little bit of technical
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  issues behind the scenes, so Lewis dealing with that.
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  On the other side, I'm Buju, host of the Monday Night Rewind,
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  The Thursday Night throttle, The Buju Boring Chronicles.
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  Yeah, welcome into Monday night Rewind.
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  As I said, Lewis, dealing with a little bit of an issue behind
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  the scenes with one of our guests.
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  So slow start to the show here, awkward start to the show, but
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  welcome into Monday. I, I, I know it's not the
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  greatest start for you, Lewis, but otherwise.
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  We're working on getting Wayne in.
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  I just got his phone number. For some reason Stream Yard is
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  not letting him do anything so it's fine.
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  It's a Monday, who cares? We roll with the punches.
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  So we'll be giving Wayne call here in just a little bit from
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  Hartford. So you'll hear his voice.
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  You won't get to see him because it's not doing anything for him,
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  but you'll get to hear his voice.
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  So I definitely share this out because he is a legendary
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  announcer has been all over the place.
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  So we will we haven't had to phone anybody in.
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  So we'll see how all of this works.
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  But anyways, we will be flexible because that's sometimes the
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  nature of the beat. And then Taylor Haynes will be
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  joining us at about 7:40. And obviously if you go to
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  Russell's M40 Speedway, you definitely see him on Saturday
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  nights. He has quite the story to tell
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  where not only is he super educated just from an academic
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  standpoint, but he also does coaching and bowling and has
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  worked with professionals and all these kinds of things.
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  So he has a, a pretty cool story to tell.
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  And so today we have two guests. I did try to work on 1/3 guest,
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  but there's AI racing thing that goes on on Mondays that keeps
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  people busy. So a couple people that I asked
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  apparently are doing that. So they're not available.
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  So I thought, well there's one other who I did talk to Dalton
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  Irish, that he wasn't available tonight, but he is available
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  next week. So when Dalton couldn't do it,
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  then I tried to scramble for a few others, but there's an eye
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  racing thing going on. So since we're doing night
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  racing stuff, that's where I'm like, OK, well that's that's
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  fine, that's fine. It's all fine.
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  It's fine. I'm just super tired.
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  It's fine. Long day at long day at Slinger
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  yesterday, huh? Yeah, so I mean, Sabrina, in
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  fairness, Sabrina did have the longer day because she had to
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  leave Augusta, you know, about an hour and a half before
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  getting to me where I am in Michigan.
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  And then from here, we left my house about 10 and went filled
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  up, got all the things and then stopped at quick trip as soon as
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  we got into this constant border, as I said, as
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  advertised. But the getting there actually
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  wasn't too awful. Not as much road rage.
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  In fact, there's more on the way back because one thing that
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  irritates the crap out of me is. OK, So you, have you ever been
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  on the Illinois Toll road before?
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  Yeah. So we're on 294, there's four
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  lanes. So coming home at night, almost
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  always anytime I've come home from Wisconsin, it's like wide
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  open. I mean, we have like 7 or 8
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  different sports cars speed by us doing 100 plus mph, right?
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  Which I'll talk about the high speed chase that ended just
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  behind Slinger as we were in. Reading the.
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  Tire ends, all these things going on and then someone had a
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  scanner, 'cause they're from Wisconsin, they said, Oh yeah,
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  there's a high speed police chase had just ended.
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  They put those strips out like the spike strips and cars 100
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  off there in it when we went by there looks like some innocent
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  cars got collected too and got cops squad cars all over,
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  literally behind the tracks. So I'm like high speed chase.
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  Who would have known in Wisconsin?
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  But anyway, so you know, Illinois toll road wide open.
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  I mean, I usually cruise in the 2nd lane, you know, then there's
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  two on this side. We're going down, going along,
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  going along. That's look like Chris Farley
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  from Tommy Boy, right? But going along, all of a sudden
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  there's this car here and there's others.
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  I mean, traffic is picking up a little bit, right?
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  So I'm now over in the 4th lane and there's this car just riding
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  along. Just riding along and then they
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  wait until I'm basically right there to then move over, even
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  though they had time to move over.
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  And Brandon's like, oh, it's coming out now.
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  And I went, you know, I was born in Chicago.
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  I can do the Chicago drive. I know how to do the Chicago
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  drive. I can do all this, right?
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  I mean, I did 4 lanes, 4 lane switch on our way there and in
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  one swoop, right? I mean, I can do that, right,
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  But I don't have to in Michigan. I don't need that skill set in
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  Michigan, except for Detroit area, you know, where you got to
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  do that kind of stuff. But I was I like, you know, this
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  just not a thing. And I'm so there's actually
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  more, more rage on the way home than there was on the way there.
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  But but yeah, it was a pretty cool day at Slinger being there.
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  It was nice to see some people from the year before that we got
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  to touch base with their media team.
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  I got to touch base with them again and they were super
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  friendly as always. The staff was super friendly.
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  I got to, I shadowed Drew Jack. He did some race directing and I
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  asked others like, hey, I want to learn how to do this, you
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  know, because I know tracks get short staffed and it's like if I
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  can have one more skill set or one more something like my back
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  pocket that in a case of emergency pinch hitter or
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  whatever, you know, that hey, like he knows enough to do it or
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  to get through it or can figure it out.
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  And so I got to do that. But then I ended up helping with
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  lineups and other things going on.
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  So that's where I'm like, I went from kind of working, you know,
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  as media to doing way more and which is fine, you know, I.
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  Enjoyed it, and that's racetrack life.
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  Yes, No, I like I said, I enjoyed it.
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  It was, you know, I got to help cars line up.
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  I don't know that I did good or bad or indifferent, but you
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  know, nobody, nobody crashed in the pit area.
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  Everybody got out into the track.
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  So if anything it it worked. That's right, a for effort.
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  You know, like that it was, I mean, we're getting ready to go
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  and because I know at that time it was like they finished early.
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  They finished before 10:00 their time.
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  So it's 11:00 our time. They finished before that.
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  But I, I couldn't pick up my brownie thing, my brownie shape
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  from QuikTrip about 10:30. And so it's like, OK, we had a
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  little time to kill. I mean, it's OK if we would have
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  because I would have gotten something to eat or whatever.
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  But then as the one race is finishing their their singer
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  bees, all of a sudden you hear just bonkers lights, sirens,
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  fire trucks, all these things. And next thing I'm like, OK, are
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  they coming to the track? What's going on?
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  What's happening? Like, did I miss something?
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  And the process of walking around, you know, was there an
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  accident because, you know, people were leaving the track,
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  all these things? Nope.
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  High speed chase ended right behind the track because Slinger
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  is at the top of the hill and then there's a tree line and
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  then there's a steep hill and then Hwy. 41 is right there.
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  And so you couldn't see the lights or sirens in the air.
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  You know, it's not like it was thick or anything to see that or
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  cloudy where you'd be able to see like the flashing.
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  But it's like you look at the at the road maps and see all the
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  red. You're like, it's literally
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  right behind us through this head area.
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  So I don't think that person would have made it up the hill.
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  It's a pretty steep hill. But I was like, do we need to
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  when the someone with the scan like, oh, and now they're at
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  gunpoint stuff, I'm like, do we kind of need to be mindful?
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  Because I mean, but it is like, again, they would have had a
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  steep hill to climb up and I don't think they would have made
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  it with, I think there was 9 squad cars.
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  So I don't know if one person outmaneuvers 9 squad cars, then
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  I don't know, right? Like as most Wisconsin, you
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  know, state troopers ride with two.
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  So it's like, I mean, that's like at least 8.
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  You would think if they all had two, that's 18 state troopers to
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  however many people in the car. I mean, it can happen.
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  OJ did it, but still. But that's kind of for show.
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  I think that's more for ratings. Yeah, I don't think, I don't
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  think the Wisconsin State Troopers would handle that quite
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  the same as Los Angeles, no. Culverts for you come back one
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  year, you know, no, no beer, no brats, no anything, you know,
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  Yeah, 'cause it. I mean, like I said, steep hill,
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  but it is pretty interesting. But again, we got home, so I
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  got, we got back here at 3:20 and then Sabrina still had
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  another hour, 1020 minute drive home.
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  So, you know, she, she had the longer day out of all of us.
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  But, but other than that, if you want to talk a little bit about
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  your weekend, 'cause you're at M40, I'm going to give, I'm
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  going to mute myself and give Wayne a call just to make sure.
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  But again, just so everyone knows, to start the show, we
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  were having technical difficulties in that it's not
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  letting Wayne in. So you're going to hear his
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  voice, but you won't get to see him.
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  So we haven't had to do this. 23 episodes.
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  We haven't had to do this. So we're going to figure it out
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  and go with the flow. So I'm going to mute myself.
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  You talk a little bit, you'll probably see my lips and all
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  that moving on this side, but you won't hear me.
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  All right, so I'm in charge now with my night rewind, but no, I
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  spent my Saturday at the Russell's M40 Speedway.
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  And I don't know if you, I don't know if you've seen over social
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  media over the last few days since that feature at M4, since
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  that night at M40. But that Judgement Day St. stock
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  feature is something that you need to go back and watch if you
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  haven't seen it yet. Logan Maynard and Brock Gain has
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  put on one hell of a race for the top spot in that Judgement
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  Day feature. And I mean shout out to the rest
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  of the field. There was all heavy hitters top
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  to bottom and it was great racing throughout the field.
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  Nick Stramy told me after that he's never had to race so hard
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  at the back in his life, but Logan and Brock really put on a
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  great respectful race at the front.
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  It was aggressive, but nobody wrecked each other when they
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  very much had the opportunity to do so.
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  So if you have not seen that feature at M40 from Saturday, go
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  back and watch that. As far as the rest of that goes,
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  another great car count and another great fan count at M40.
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  It looks like we got everything set with our guests here.
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  So yeah, great night at M40 and we'll talk about more about that
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  later after I guess here, we'll throw it back over to Lewis, who
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  has our guest now. Oh yeah.
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  Well, I let Wayne know that we bring him in about it because
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  you're talking about M40, so that you're you're talking about
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  the race because I heard how exciting it was, but I obviously
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  I didn't get to see it. I wasn't there or anything.
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  But but that's where, you know, I was at New Paris and they did
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  the enduro and that was pretty. I called you Jack right away and
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  I said we need an enduro at New Paris.
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  And I'd already talked to Chris about it.
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  I said, do you guys have, you know, would you ever do another
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  enduro? Because they did, you know, 3
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  was wide open or backstretch wide open, three and four turns.
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  But then you did it like an immediate left turn into the
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  infield there and then came back out.
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  And I kind of call it like a Pac-Man face, you know?
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  And they said that's fun, you know?
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  And so it slows down just a little bit and everything but.
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  I was very curious how that went so.
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  Yeah, it was, I mean, 451 laps. So you know what I'm saying
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  Thursday when I said it's probably going to be more,
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  right? And Trace Tracy was surprised
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  because Tracy thought less, right?
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  That's what she said on the stream is that she thought,
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  well, it'll probably be less because they get 375 last year
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  and I'm and in my head I'm, you know, I'm calculating right.
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  So they were laying down, the faster cars were laying down,
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  22nd laps, 21 second laps. And so Spencer Warninger, Troy
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  Williams and Chris Fleming were the winning team.
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  And obviously weekly racers, they know what they're doing,
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  they're running cars. But Felicity or no not is it
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  Felicity? Oh, someone correct me if I'm
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  wrong. I think it's Felicity, Felicity
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  Tabby and Megan Richardson. They took second and they they
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  hung with everybody but Warninger and team.
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  They had 2021 laps by then, a bit on top of everyone.
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  So you know, they had to do pit changes because they had changed
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  drivers. So next year they're going to
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  change the format a little bit. It sounds like they're going to
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  go down to two drivers rather than three, you know, 'cause
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  there's obviously people, 'cause smart people do smart things,
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  right? And like, oh, there's only 11
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  cars. Well, there's 33 drivers, right?
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  So when you're, you know, when you have 33 drivers, it may not
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  look like that when you have 11 cars, but everybody had to get
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  1/2 hour in, next you're thinking do 2 per car.
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  So that way some of these drivers who we had on teams and
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  have cars instead, right? Yeah.
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  So we're up to 1415 just based on this year, Billy, Yeah.
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  Yeah, but that it was more than last year, right?
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  So it increased. It was entertaining.
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  There was 5 red flags total, but they were like wonky red flags.
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  They weren't like crazy, nasty stuff.
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  And so I mean, we did have one flip.
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  I missed it. I heard it, but I missed it.
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  One of the rum Runner cars hit the tire and feel tired just
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  right and like did a barrel roll.
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  They have it on their. You know.
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  Cameras downstairs, but up to the top.
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  I was following this way and then I heard it and I'm like,
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  what did I miss? So I don't know how it happened,
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  but but hopefully, you know, next year, more and more come
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  out. I mean, Chris Fleming as part of
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  his interview or was it Troy? One of them said that they would
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  do this again, that they absolutely loved it, that it was
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  super fun. That's what was it, Spessler
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  that was talking about how it was on East for the last 45
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  minutes or whatever it. Was so so that's where you kind
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  of think like they held back a little bit.
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  It's almost like, OK, they got to 451 laps holding back for
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  about the last 45 minutes and there's long stretches it's
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  loading on YouTube now there's long stretches like one of the
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  stretches was 57 minutes just green.
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  And so you're kind of thinking, OK, the last 45 minutes or so,
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  if they're kind of coasting and they're just even when they put
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  gallons, a couple gallons and it did like nothing, it's like we
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  have gotten close to 500 laps. You know, if they're putting
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  22nd lap down each time or at least 475, I mean, we would have
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  definitely got up there. So if you think about it, I
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  mean, that's definitely the longest enduro I've seen.
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  You know, Drew Jack usually does, you know, 200 or 150 laps
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  or whatever. Even if it's a 2 hour timed 1, I
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  don't think it's been like a crazy number and that two hour
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  time and with new parish red flags didn't count as part of
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  that. So, but even the red flags, we
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  started the race at about 5:15 or so we because they had to do
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  transponder stuff and it wasn't picking up on some of them.
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  My race pass had an outage anyways.
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  I mean, all over my race pass had an outage or a lot of tracks
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  complaining about it on some of the forums.
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  And so, you know, they had an outage already, right?
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  So you know, then they work through that.
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  So it's about 5:15 and we were done by 8:30.
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  So I put us at 9, I thought an hour for red flags, I mean,
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  typical and dural stuff, right? So if you start right on time at
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  5 and you end right at time at 8:00, but you have red flags or
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  whatever, you're going to be closer to 9, but we're done by
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  8:30. So I mean, the red flags added
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  maybe 15 minutes or so. And the one red flag, the last
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  one that they did, the driver's door was kind of exposed, but
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  they're in infield in. And it's kind of one of those,
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  Tracy felt like. Yeah.
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  All that one it was tried to go Babe Ruth and didn't do Babe
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  Ruth at the beginning of his career did Babe Ruth at the end
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  of his career when it was a swing and a miss so and time to
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  put him out on the farm, right. So so it was kind of one of
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  those. I mean, that video is online and
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  you know that, you know, so they called the red flag for that.
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  But you know, probably didn't have to be 1.
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  You understand why because again, driver door was facing
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  and you never know, right? So but yeah, but other than
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  that, so I know that's where I was, but I know we do have Wayne
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  on. So again, I want to remind
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  everybody that Stream Yard for some reason was not not working
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  for him. Couldn't couldn't get past any
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  screen or whatever. So he's on my phone.
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  So I called him and we will be pulling him in because again, he
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  has quite the story to tell. Obviously the announcer over at
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  Hartford Speedway right now. But Wayne, can you still hear
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  me? Yes, I can, Louis.
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  And Buju, can you hear Wayne? All right, all right.
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  So again, Wayne, welcome to the Monday night rewind.
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  I, I know we're, this is the first time we've had to do a
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  phone in, but at least we can hear you.
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  So we'll let you know if anyone has questions in the chat area.
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  So we'll pass those on to you. But other than that, Wayne, one
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  thing that I always like to start off with in our, I call it
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  the softball question of the night, 'cause this is a shoot
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  first aim second show. Like we don't have a script.
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  We don't follow anything. We just kind of go wherever the
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  conversation goes. OK, But my one question I always
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  like to start off with, just so you know, people who don't go to
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  Gill or Hartford may not know you, but you announced at a lot
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  of places. So why don't you give us your
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  background? You know how you got into racing
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  when you started going to races, how you found a microphone in
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  your hand to now you're one of the legendary announcers in this
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  area. OK, Well, I started working at a
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  racetrack at Hartford Speedway when I was 14 years old and I
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  had worked there up till I was 16.
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  And Mick Schuler, the late Mick Schuler, who announced for many
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  years at Kalamazoo Speedway, I kept pestering him when I was
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  16. I I'd make out the payoff sheet
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  for the drivers that night, what they get paid and so forth.
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  And I kept pestering Mick. I said I want to announce, I
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  want to announce. And he said come on up to
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  Kalamazoo and I'll let you do some qualifying in a couple of
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  heat races. And I went up there and it was
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  on a Sunday and Pat Beebe was there from the old mark time to
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  late Pat Beebe. And she came up there and she
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  was really impressed right off the bat.
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  And and then I I got on at Hartford.
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  Nick left me one Sunday afternoon.
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  He had to go to Kalamazoo and it was like a three 100 lap late
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  model program at Hartford. And Mick says, OK, it's all
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  yours. I got to go to Kalamazoo and I
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  got on the, I got on the mic and I just, the first thing I said
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  was blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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  I was 16 years old and Mick had me up to Kalamazoo.
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  I became his announcer when I was like 18 or 19.
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  I think he was promoting the track with Phil Burke at the
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  time. And then I went over to
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  Galesburg Speedway the year after that.
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  Charlie Keckler was the track manager, Bill and Mary only on
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  the track. And that was back in like the
• 20:37
  early 80s. And that was when Randy Sweet
• 20:39
  had the rocket car, the world famous rocket car with the big
• 20:43
  billboard on the side. Yep.
• 20:45
  And he turned like a 13.02 lap. And I was announcing there then
• 20:50
  and they had a lot of 100 or 50 lap specials paying 1000 a win,
• 20:55
  which drew a lot of the Kalamazoo cars.
• 20:57
  It was pretty much open competition rules and they they
• 21:01
  would draw like Bob Holly, Mike Benz, Perintech AG netting a
• 21:06
  Dick Barker and a lot of drivers from the east side of the state
• 21:10
  and I could go on. Am I going to Bramlin too much
• 21:13
  for him? No, you keep going.
• 21:14
  It's your time. OK, well, I, I, I wound up
• 21:19
  getting back announcing at Southwest Michigan Speedway in
• 21:24
  Montville. That was in the 80s from like 84
• 21:27
  to 90. Ralph McLaughlin on the track
• 21:31
  and they will run a Late model sportsman and and Andy Bozell
• 21:37
  and Bob Wroblewski had some classic battles back then and
• 21:41
  they did have an outlaw Super Late Model show when Denny Nyari
• 21:44
  was there. Larry's at Chuck Silva from
• 21:47
  Detroit. And then I proceeded to go, I
• 21:52
  think back to Galesburg. Warnings were on both Butler and
• 21:58
  Galesburg and they were running Butler on Friday nights, in
• 22:02
  Galesburg on Saturday nights and I wound up with a stint at
• 22:08
  Kalamazoo Speedway again back about 15 years ago.
• 22:12
  I can remember interviewing Scott Bloomquist at the
• 22:15
  Kalamazoo Clash, interviewing Johnny Benson Junior, who who I
• 22:20
  had a photo taken with his dad, Johnny Benson Senior who was
• 22:25
  legend at Berlin Raceway, one of the all time winners.
• 22:30
  And anyway, so I wound up, I've announced for about four
• 22:34
  different owners at Hartford, the Knight family, Jim Borden,
• 22:42
  now Tim and Lee a devil. And I've been there for the last
• 22:46
  13 years with the same ownership with the Dibble family.
• 22:50
  So and I've traveled around to a lot of different race tracks.
• 22:54
  I've been to Daytona, Pocono, MIS, I think one other NASCAR
• 23:01
  track. I've been to the Milwaukee Mile
• 23:03
  for the old ASA Badger Land 150 races.
• 23:07
  I was there one time when Bob Seneker what won that race and
• 23:11
  he was actually my probably my favorite driver growing up.
• 23:15
  I just watched him how smooth he was and he wound up winning like
• 23:19
  6 dry power 4 hundreds in a row down at Winchester, Indiana
• 23:22
  Speedway. One of my favorite tracks, as
• 23:25
  dangerous as it is. So anyhow, that's part of it.
• 23:32
  So when you have, I mean, we've had Will Greenwell on the show,
• 23:36
  you know, he's an announcer all over.
• 23:38
  We've had a Joel from Kalamazoo, Jeremy Morninger from down in
• 23:43
  New Paris, we've had Frank Gasco on from M40.
• 23:46
  So we've gotten a lot of announcers on from almost every
• 23:50
  track for you. You know, you have such a
• 23:54
  legendary career where you've done so much for so long.
• 23:58
  And so this one, you know, you might have to jog a little bit
• 24:02
  or it might come right to you. What's 1 of the top moments in
• 24:08
  your career, you know, whether it was from, you know, a young
• 24:13
  age watching racing that got you hooked in or as an announcer
• 24:18
  where you're like, man, that was fun.
• 24:21
  And, and that's something I'm going to remember forever.
• 24:23
  And it could be multiple moments as it does have to be just one
• 24:25
  moment. But what stands out to you
• 24:28
  within your racing career, behind the mic and even as a
• 24:32
  fan? Well, at at Hartford we have a
• 24:36
  tradition that we try to get down and try and interview every
• 24:39
  feature winner. And when I was back announcing
• 24:43
  at Galesburg, like back in the 80s, I think it was NASCAR had
• 24:48
  been an MIS that day. And Charlie Keckler said I've
• 24:53
  got somebody for you to interview.
• 24:55
  It was Neil Bonnett, the late Neil Bonnett, who who lost his
• 24:58
  life in in 93, I think at Daytona.
• 25:02
  But he he had raced at MIS that day and he was there I think
• 25:07
  picking up some parts from Randy Sweet.
• 25:10
  And he came up there and I interviewed him and that was
• 25:13
  probably one of the top on the list for me.
• 25:16
  And I also introduced her. Interviewed Kasey Kahne when he
• 25:27
  was with the All Star Circuit of Champions Sprint Car Series,
• 25:30
  which is at Hartford on the 31st of this month, the week from
• 25:34
  Friday. But that was when Kasey Kahne,
• 25:38
  he was famous, but he hadn't even cracked in the NASCAR yet.
• 25:41
  This is like in 2002 and Kasey Kahne was at Hartford All Star
• 25:46
  Circuit Champions show and he demolished the field.
• 25:50
  He won by like half a lap and I remember I've got a picture of
• 25:54
  that interviewing him. I also interviewed Craig Kinzer,
• 25:59
  Steve Kinzer's son, when the Gum Out series was at Hartford back
• 26:04
  in the early 2000s, working with Rick Ferkel in the Tower at
• 26:09
  Hartford. He was the race director for the
• 26:13
  Gum Out series and he was a legendary racer.
• 26:16
  He drove the Zero car and he he raced World of Outlaws for many
• 26:21
  years and All Star Circuit Champions races.
• 26:24
  Just getting back for me, Lewis, it's, it's the people aspect of
• 26:28
  it to be able to go up to somebody like Danny Smith used
• 26:33
  to be from Chillicothe. OH, he had a hometown named
• 26:37
  after him. Danville, IN and just to be able
• 26:40
  to go back in the pits and Danny would come up for an open cap
• 26:43
  show at Hartford and just to be able to talk with him and to
• 26:47
  meet the people and even people like curse balding and go back
• 26:52
  in the pits. I know them personally to be
• 26:54
  able to talk to Tyler and his, his son, who they're both
• 27:02
  exemplary drivers in their own right.
• 27:04
  And you know, being able to go down in the pits and talk with
• 27:09
  Jeff Gannis at Kalamazoo, it's just fun.
• 27:13
  They'll recognize you. And I know one story I had back
• 27:18
  when I was announcing at Kalamazoo in the old Trisac
• 27:22
  super modified days, this was when I was about 18 or 19 years
• 27:26
  old and I, I went down to Sandusky.
• 27:30
  OH, they were running like Hartford on Friday night,
• 27:33
  Sandusky on Saturday and they were going to go to Kalamazoo on
• 27:37
  Sunday and I went up to the sky. I was going to sign in at the
• 27:41
  pet booth and he says, I thought you were coming down here.
• 27:46
  And I, I said, I'm sorry, I, I don't know who you are.
• 27:49
  And he says I'm Dean Best. And Dean Best was one of the top
• 27:53
  Sprint car drivers in in Trisac and he was from Ohio.
• 27:56
  He drove modifieds, pavement modifieds for a long time.
• 28:00
  But that that's pretty cool to a young 18 year old kid when a
• 28:04
  Dean Best recognizes. Who you are so.
• 28:07
  That was cool. Well, that's where Tina Lewis,
• 28:11
  you know, as you're talking and you're telling your stories and
• 28:14
  things that stood out, you know, even again and her, you know,
• 28:19
  question is that most memorable race?
• 28:21
  So you've talked about a lot of names, you talked a lot of
• 28:24
  people, but is there even with all those names and all those
• 28:27
  moments and all those things, is there a race that you're that
• 28:29
  when you're up in the top right and you're calling wherever,
• 28:34
  whatever track that may be, where you're like, that's what
• 28:37
  stands out or moments that stand out, whether it's the first win
• 28:41
  for you where you're like, you know, a man.
• 28:43
  I've called this guy's races for 15 years and they've been
• 28:47
  chasing the checkered flags all that time.
• 28:49
  They finally got one and they've been so close for so long or
• 28:52
  whatever it might be. So that's what Tina Lewis is
• 28:54
  wondering is your most memorable race that you've announced?
• 28:58
  One that I think stands out was the Kalamazoo Clash about 15 or
• 29:03
  20 years ago and it got rained out on Wednesday.
• 29:07
  They have the Kalamazoo Clash midweek on Wednesday and bad
• 29:11
  storms went through and it knocked out the, you know,
• 29:14
  they've got the big tower on the back straightaway at Kalamazoo
• 29:17
  and they ran the race the rain day.
• 29:20
  It was the next night on Thursday and I didn't have the
• 29:24
  advantage of having the tower back there, so I was just
• 29:27
  relying on how much I knew and not really having a score beside
• 29:34
  me because I was on the top side and they had the scores down the
• 29:37
  middle. But I had to tell the people.
• 29:40
  Who? I just tried to keep them
• 29:42
  abreast of who the top ten were and because they didn't have the
• 29:45
  scoreboard. And the next day in the
• 29:48
  Kalamazoo Gazette, Pam She Best who used to cover racing for the
• 29:52
  Kalamazoo Gazette. She said announcer Wayne Bunn
• 29:55
  kept the people informed with who was running in the top 10
• 29:59
  because the the school board tower went out.
• 30:02
  So that was one that kind of sticks out for me.
• 30:06
  There's a lot of them I've I was born out in New York State and
• 30:10
  I've been out to Orange County Fair Speedway in Middletown, NY.
• 30:15
  I was born in Middletown and I've been back many times for
• 30:18
  like the Eastern states 200, the Big 5 modifieds with like Jimmy
• 30:22
  Horton, Brett Earn, Bobby Botcher, Bob Melzon and they
• 30:28
  they'd start like 60 cars on a 5A smile dirt track with big
• 30:32
  black engines. So that was quite a rush.
• 30:36
  But Kenny Bright Bell, he, he had one at Middletown and there
• 30:42
  was there was just a lot of nostalgia there, so.
• 30:48
  Buju, did you have a question? I saw you're moving up towards
• 30:50
  the mic. I'm just I was curious who Wayne
• 30:53
  looks up to As for as an as influences at as from from an
• 30:57
  announcing standpoint, who he looks at, who he looks up to,
• 31:01
  and maybe who he styles himself after or fashions himself after.
• 31:06
  Well, make sure it got me started and I, I tried to almost
• 31:12
  pick up his voice inflections and stuff like that.
• 31:15
  I I think I eventually finally developed my own style, but
• 31:20
  there's a lot of a lot of good announcers around here.
• 31:23
  You know, Jason Seltzer has done a good job and he worked with
• 31:27
  Rob Goodman down at Kokomo. Rob was an excellent announcer.
• 31:32
  He was just a real race savvy person because if you could hear
• 31:36
  him talk at one of his drivers meeting, they were serious.
• 31:39
  When they they run a great it's probably the best non wing
• 31:45
  Sprint program in the country down at Kokomo and Rob was a big
• 31:49
  influencer with that. But I know Jason went down there
• 31:51
  and announced for several years. Nick Schuler, the late Chris
• 31:58
  Economaki, who was on, you know, CBS editor of the National
• 32:04
  Speech Corp News. Dick Bergeron, who was the
• 32:08
  editor of the stock car racing. He.
• 32:10
  Was. He was he was an announcer, but
• 32:13
  he was more of a color guy. And yes, but one thing that I've
• 32:18
  if I had to pass out advice to anybody that wants to announce
• 32:23
  is that Dick Bergeron wrote in his column one time.
• 32:27
  Any announcer that's worth the salt needs to spend at least an
• 32:32
  hour to two hours in the pits before the races because those
• 32:37
  drivers have a lot of good stories.
• 32:39
  You know, I can go around and before the GLSS show her friend
• 32:43
  go up to Dustin Daggett. Yeah, we won a merit last week,
• 32:47
  you know, and I'll bring that with me if you have stories you
• 32:50
  can tell. Yeah.
• 32:52
  You're winner at Merritt Speedway last week, Dustin
• 32:54
  Daggett, you know, and that's people eat that crap up, you
• 32:58
  know what I mean? Yeah, I appreciate as a as
• 33:02
  somebody who's dipping his toe into the announcing side of
• 33:04
  things, I appreciate that little bit of advice.
• 33:06
  So I'll remember that. And then one last question for
• 33:09
  me and all, all the racing you've seen over the years,
• 33:11
  obviously you've seen arguably the best years of short track
• 33:15
  racing in your time at the racetrack.
• 33:18
  So if you could go back and watch one race at one track with
• 33:21
  one person, what are you watching?
• 33:23
  Where are you watching it and who are you watching it with?
• 33:30
  That's a that's a good question. You go with me all the time to
• 33:34
  the to the races. And then we got married.
• 33:41
  Things change. But but anyway, my favorite race
• 33:44
  would probably be the Winchester $400.00.
• 33:46
  Winchester, Sure, probably, probably to watch it with my
• 33:52
  wife doesn't really go to the races that much, although she
• 33:55
  does work one of the concession stands on the of the nights of
• 33:58
  destruction nights at Hartford on the East End.
• 34:00
  Pam Pam is her name. God bless her God.
• 34:03
  Bless. Me, I probably like to watch it
• 34:06
  with my brother because he's he's as much of A Motörhead as I
• 34:10
  am. And I'd, I'd probably just like
• 34:12
  to watch it from the highest row in the grandstand because that's
• 34:18
  that's a death defying racetrack.
• 34:20
  You got to be real brave. You know, Carson, host of ours,
• 34:23
  the big deal in NASCAR now. And I went down to the
• 34:26
  Winchester 400 about five years ago.
• 34:29
  And Carson won the Winchester 400 that day.
• 34:33
  And he led 385 in the 400 laps. And Drew Jack went with me down
• 34:39
  there to watch it. And I told him I said, yeah, I
• 34:41
  think Carson's ready for NASCAR after that.
• 34:45
  And that was back in the 90s too.
• 34:49
  Jeff Gordon. I watched him when both the USEX
• 34:52
  Sprint and Midget features in the same day at Winchester.
• 34:56
  And then I was telling the people there the next, the next
• 34:59
  year, I don't know if you remember him in the Baby Ruth's
• 35:02
  number one car in the Bush National Series.
• 35:06
  Yeah. That he had won at Winchester.
• 35:07
  And then the next year he was running in the Bush Grand
• 35:10
  National Series, the the Baby Ruth's number one car.
• 35:14
  So. So Wayne, for you as an
• 35:19
  announcer, you know, we've asked a couple announcers a similar
• 35:22
  question. You know, what is it?
• 35:24
  What's the one thing about your job, that role, whatever you
• 35:28
  want to call it, you know, your passion that you get to bring
• 35:31
  each, you know, time you're on the mic, you know, what's
• 35:34
  something that you wish maybe fans understood that's like
• 35:38
  difficult or can be challenging that, you know, sometimes fans
• 35:43
  might be like, man, this announcer is this or this
• 35:45
  announcer is that you know, and what do you, you know, what's
• 35:48
  something that you hear all the time where you're like, man, I
• 35:50
  just wish fans understood like what you have to manage or what
• 35:54
  you know, what part of it can be difficult.
• 36:00
  The big thing, going back to when I was like 16, it was
• 36:05
  basically stage fright at the beginning.
• 36:07
  But now like let's say we have a night of destruction race at
• 36:13
  Hartford and there's 4000 people in the stands.
• 36:17
  That does not make me nervous. I had, I had speech class in
• 36:22
  high school and I was able, when I was a freshman, I was able to
• 36:25
  get up in the, in front of the class and deliver speeches.
• 36:29
  So I've never been afraid to be on the mic, maybe a little bit
• 36:33
  nervous in my younger years. And then my biggest fear
• 36:36
  probably would be of making a mistake as far as actual
• 36:41
  information. I don't want to give the wrong
• 36:43
  information out there, you know, like sponsors or hometowns or
• 36:47
  whatever. So I, I really, I know
• 36:50
  sponsorship is a big thing. You know you want them.
• 36:53
  Try and get the sponsors out as much as you can.
• 36:55
  The drivers enjoy hearing and the sponsors are in the stands
• 36:58
  too. It gives you something to talk
• 37:00
  about, you know. So I don't know if I answered
• 37:06
  the question or not. I think they did.
• 37:08
  Yeah, No, we've, we've asked that to a couple because like
• 37:10
  Will Greenwald talked about like the downtime, right.
• 37:13
  And obviously, like when you think of a night of destruction,
• 37:16
  you know, you, you have downtime and, and Hartford's pretty good
• 37:20
  about managing the downtime, but it's still like there's things
• 37:23
  you have to do where nowadays, you know, maybe back in the day
• 37:26
  you could tell a story or you could do this or you could do
• 37:28
  that or whatever, where nowadays people aren't entertained maybe
• 37:31
  by that kind of stuff, right. And so, you know, you kind of
• 37:35
  have to keep changing. And so kind of think about it
• 37:38
  this way to to dovetail off of that question is, you know,
• 37:42
  what's the biggest thing for you in your time?
• 37:45
  I was announcing what's like the biggest thing that has changed
• 37:49
  when it comes to when you first started announcing to today in
• 37:53
  2026. Well, it used to be that a legal
• 37:59
  pad and a couple of pens, you could write down all your
• 38:02
  information and just have it right in front of you.
• 38:05
  But now Zach Heiser from GLSS, so he's another good announcer
• 38:10
  too. By the way, I'll put him on the
• 38:12
  list, Zach Heiser, but he, he's got a laptop computer in front
• 38:19
  of him and he's got the scoring monitor right in front of him.
• 38:24
  They do a good job with that. But it's probably the advent of
• 38:28
  technology computers more so than anything.
• 38:31
  I've always said my own computer was up here in my head, my
• 38:34
  brain. That's what I kind of relied on.
• 38:37
  And I'll put a laptop in front of me like at a GLSS show and I
• 38:41
  sometimes I won't look down at it very much, but sometimes it
• 38:44
  it'll keep you informed on who the top ten are and what lap and
• 38:48
  stuff like that. So I would say technology and
• 38:52
  and computers is probably the biggest advent of that as far as
• 38:56
  like transponders, they used to be all hand scoring, you know,
• 39:00
  especially like a Galesburg. But they even that now they have
• 39:05
  the the transponder scoring that never used to be around, you
• 39:09
  know, but it is now on every every track pretty much.
• 39:13
  Yeah, if you're hand scoring, you know, things hit the fans
• 39:18
  because and they've had to, I mean it, it does happen where,
• 39:21
  you know, things go down and all that and and you have to figure
• 39:24
  it out because you have a show to run.
• 39:26
  But, you know, Buju kind of asked you, you know what it's
• 39:33
  like being an announcer and and you know, some of the things
• 39:36
  that you might say to those who are doing it.
• 39:39
  And so, you know, to kind of end that, if someone asks you now,
• 39:44
  let's say someone from 2026 goes all the way back to your youth
• 39:49
  and says, Wayne, little Wayne, whatever you want to call
• 39:52
  yourself back then, you know, little Wayne, you know you're
• 39:55
  going to be an announcer someday and you're going to be
• 39:57
  considered one of the best to do it in short track racing,
• 40:03
  Midwest short track racing. What would your youthful Wayne
• 40:07
  self think or feel about that as you're sitting at the racetrack
• 40:11
  watching the races? Well, when I first started
• 40:14
  announcing, I'd never thought I would be announcing as long as I
• 40:17
  have. I started when I was 16 and I'm
• 40:20
  65 now. And do the math is different.
• 40:24
  I've been announcing for like 40 some years, but in six different
• 40:29
  decades, the 70s, eighties, nineties, 2000s, two thousand
• 40:33
  10's and 2020. So I think that's a pretty
• 40:36
  significant accomplishment. Not to brag or anything, but
• 40:41
  that's a long time. You know, I've seen a lot of
• 40:43
  different stuff, but tracks get paved and the pavement ripped
• 40:49
  off them and turn it to a dirt track.
• 40:50
  And a lot of the old racers are gone now.
• 40:55
  Guys like Danny Nyari, and I can't think of a lot of them
• 41:02
  right off the top of my head right now, but Tom Martin, who
• 41:06
  used to race at Kalamazoo #30 he passed away a few years ago.
• 41:13
  We lost Bobby Galloway. I worked with Bobby Galloway, he
• 41:16
  was a flag man, colorful. He, he kind of was under the
• 41:20
  tutelage of Larry Hartram at Hartford and Kalamazoo.
• 41:25
  And they were, they wore the bright gaudy outfits like purple
• 41:28
  pants, purple shirt or pink and pink.
• 41:30
  And Bobby just passed away a couple months ago.
• 41:33
  He was a good friend. So I like I said, Lewis is the
• 41:39
  the people aspect of it. For me though, now more than
• 41:43
  ever, ever, you know, it's just to meet.
• 41:46
  There's a lot of cool people in racing, I'll say that.
• 41:49
  So. Well, and Speaking of one of the
• 41:51
  cool people I know you haven't met this, you probably haven't
• 41:53
  met this person yet, but Benny Miller, he's he's part of
• 41:56
  Motörhead Miller Mafia Racing. They race at Springport when
• 42:00
  Spring Port's open, so they'll probably be returning back next
• 42:02
  year to Springport. And in the meantime they're at
• 42:05
  Corgan Oil and they've done Owosso.
• 42:08
  They're working on trying to get a race down at New Paris and
• 42:10
  other things. So they're short track racers
• 42:12
  who are definitely giving back. They have $1000 to win B
• 42:15
  features, you know, for the front row drives just to give
• 42:17
  them a big feel. And one of the questions he has
• 42:20
  that relates to this is, you know, over the years, what is
• 42:24
  the biggest, you know, or what are the biggest changes that you
• 42:27
  have seen in that time frame? Probably you realistically the
• 42:35
  amount of money that it cost to go racing, I think that might be
• 42:40
  why that's hurting the, the car counts.
• 42:44
  A lot of tracks are struggling and I, I think the money that
• 42:49
  even to get in and you know, everybody's on their phone
• 42:53
  anymore. If you look down, if I look down
• 42:55
  from, you know, any, if there's nothing going on, you know, a
• 42:59
  lot of people are on their phones.
• 43:01
  A lot of people have a lot of choices when it comes to going
• 43:07
  to the races, how they're going to spend their money.
• 43:10
  I think, I think there could be something to be said or how
• 43:16
  these tracks schedule their big races and why is it that
• 43:21
  sometimes Kalamazoo is going to have a 7500, a 7500 A dollar
• 43:28
  will be the Win Outlaw Super Late Mile Show and Hartford has
• 43:32
  their biggest fireworks show that I'd done the same night.
• 43:36
  It seems like with a little creativity during the winter
• 43:39
  moments, the tracks could get together and maybe work that
• 43:42
  stuff out a little more. I think so.
• 43:47
  Yeah, I think a lot of people echo those kind of things.
• 43:49
  And sometimes you might even hear tracks say, man, we just
• 43:53
  need to work together. But then you're like, but you're
• 43:56
  part of the reason that nobody's working together.
• 43:58
  You know, Like it's kind of those like, you know, you're
• 44:00
  the, you know, and I'm not saying any specific tracks that,
• 44:03
  you know, I, I get to connect with a lot of promoters and
• 44:06
  owners. Well, I probably shouldn't have,
• 44:07
  but. You didn't say, you didn't say
• 44:09
  specific. I mean, yet you gave a specific
• 44:11
  example, but you weren't, you know, you weren't going after a
• 44:15
  track. You're just saying like, hey,
• 44:16
  like Hartford has this, you know?
• 44:18
  I want all the tracks to do well.
• 44:21
  But I think that's the thing, right?
• 44:22
  Like sometimes, you know, there are tracks in Northern Indiana
• 44:24
  where one will purposely counter, you know, counter
• 44:27
  schedule another just to do it because they can.
• 44:30
  And, and it, you know, then also both tracks hurt, right?
• 44:34
  You know, and it's and it's on purpose.
• 44:36
  I mean, they can say whatever they want, but it's we we all
• 44:38
  know it's on purpose. And so, you know, that's just
• 44:42
  history. And so it's one of those things
• 44:44
  that, you know, you're like, you know, if a track has a schedule
• 44:47
  out in October and then you purposely do stuff on specific
• 44:50
  dates, it's like, yeah, you're just doing that to hurt for
• 44:52
  whatever reason it is. And, and, and, you know,
• 44:57
  obviously in Michigan there's so many choices, right?
• 44:59
  And so that's it's hard to get everyone's big schedule.
• 45:02
  But obviously, you know, like last weekend M40, you know, had
• 45:07
  their big St. Stock race right there,
• 45:08
  judgement day race. And so a lot of other tracks,
• 45:10
  they didn't really have a big race, but sometimes you will
• 45:13
  see, you know, 234 big races on the same day within an hour and
• 45:18
  a half of each other. And I know for fans, they get
• 45:20
  frustrated with that, right? And that's not yet again this.
• 45:23
  Seems like there's a lot of Saturday night tracks.
• 45:27
  I like Berlin I I like going to Berlin when I can.
• 45:32
  I may or may not go to that. They've got that one on August
• 45:35
  12th, 40,000 to win for the Battle of Berlin 250.
• 45:41
  I like big races like that, but you know, talk about Saturday's
• 45:45
  Butler. My brother went down there
• 45:47
  Saturday with his daughter and they had a $5000 to win special
• 45:52
  and he said it was really good. They had UMP modified with them.
• 45:56
  They had St. Stocks, which are kind of almost
• 45:58
  down there, like late model Sportsman and they had the four
• 46:01
  cylinders too. But then Jones, you know, I'm a
• 46:05
  senior citizen and I live about 18 miles from Jones, so I may go
• 46:10
  to Jones just because I can get in for $7.00, you know?
• 46:15
  But I know that Galesburg races on Saturday.
• 46:19
  They have a pretty good show. But I also look at car counts
• 46:23
  because they do put them videos on their YouTube videos and
• 46:29
  like, not trying to pick on them, but when a limited late
• 46:34
  model big race comes out onto the track, I'm counting cars as
• 46:38
  they're videotaping the race. And it's like I'm counting 2467.
• 46:44
  Is that all, you know? But you can have the same
• 46:48
  problem to be set at Galesburg too.
• 46:49
  But I, I've counted them before while they had 13, you know, So
• 46:54
  everybody's fighting it for the top class because you have to
• 46:57
  spend more money to go fast, you know?
• 47:00
  Yeah. But I think that's where a lot
• 47:02
  of times we've talked about that with front wheel drives.
• 47:03
  There was, was it Buju and I talking about her or maybe it
• 47:08
  was someone else, But I think it was one of our Monday night
• 47:10
  rewinds. We were talking with the front
• 47:12
  wheel drive racer and there was a front wheel drive at that time
• 47:14
  listed for four or 50 or 50,000 like 50,000 for sale.
• 47:21
  And what's funny is that if you went to my race pass like that
• 47:24
  car hasn't won anything anywhere.
• 47:26
  And as a $50,000 out essentially outlaw front wheel drive and
• 47:31
  it's like 50,000 for a front wheel drive and it was.
• 47:38
  It hadn't won. And then went, at least
• 47:40
  according to my race pass, didn't win anywhere.
• 47:42
  That doesn't mean that they didn't do a race monitor track
• 47:45
  and win, but at least on my race pass for three years, that
• 47:48
  driver hadn't done anything and it's like OK, and they raced a
• 47:52
  lot. I mean those the one season was
• 47:54
  like 30 races raced with that car.
• 47:56
  And so 'cause they said they had it for a couple of years, but
• 47:59
  50,000 you're like, I didn't even make that as a teacher.
• 48:03
  So I'm like a $50,000 front wheel drive car.
• 48:08
  That's not late model, that's not street stock, That's not you
• 48:10
  know, you would expect that for like maybe a street soccer late
• 48:14
  model, somewhat competitive, but front wheel drive outlaw the. 4,
• 48:19
  the 4 cylinder class came in as a another way to get people into
• 48:23
  racing and that's it's been probably 15 years now that
• 48:29
  they've been full-fledged outlaw cyber stocks or whatever you
• 48:33
  want to call them. But there's a lot of guys spend
• 48:37
  a lot of money on those cars. But it's it's also brought more
• 48:41
  talent. That was those guys don't want
• 48:44
  to be in those cars forever. They might move up to AI.
• 48:47
  Was just thinking of Josh Van Dusen, who's used to run St.
• 48:50
  Stocks at Galesburg, and now I see he's got a late model
• 48:54
  sportsman, the 42 car. What's it?
• 48:57
  Pearman? Yep.
• 48:58
  Jerry Pearman, yeah, he, he's really developed a nice guy to
• 49:04
  super nice guy. But he started out like in in a
• 49:08
  street stock basically and then moved up and now he's tearing
• 49:13
  them up in the Outlaw Limited late models at both Kalamazoo
• 49:16
  and Galesburg. So.
• 49:19
  Yeah, I'm a I'm a big Jerry Pearman fan.
• 49:21
  That's where watching him from spring Court, that's where I got
• 49:24
  to meet him for the first time. And, you know, watching him
• 49:28
  develop from that, you know, multi, multi time champion in
• 49:31
  the street stocks, small time time champion now in the
• 49:34
  sportsman late models. And then he moved up to limited
• 49:38
  this year. And, you know, it was bumpy,
• 49:40
  bumpy start, but you know, he's been on a pretty good run and I
• 49:44
  think he has the points lead right now at, over at Galesburg,
• 49:47
  like a comfortable points lead. And so, so to see him doing that
• 49:52
  and, and doing, you know, doing really well, again, he's a he's
• 49:55
  a driver that sometimes at Springport, and this is I'll
• 49:57
  kind of leave this into a question.
• 50:00
  So, you know, Springport got knocked a lot by a lot of
• 50:03
  people. And that's when I was, you know,
• 50:05
  I was there and, you know, some of our classes didn't have a
• 50:07
  strong, what you would consider like a strong car count.
• 50:10
  And we'd get knocked for it. And I would always tell people,
• 50:12
  but I'll put these cars against any car and just like I'd put
• 50:16
  their program up against any program.
• 50:18
  And you know, cuz Donnie Ritter does a really, you know, great
• 50:21
  job. He's been able to resurrect a
• 50:23
  lot of tracks, you know, to, I wouldn't call him glory days,
• 50:26
  but he's certainly made a huge impact.
• 50:28
  I mean, I think he's underrated by a lot of people and, you
• 50:33
  know, but it's like, you might say, well, you know, well,
• 50:37
  there's only, you know, six or seven of those Sportsman Late
• 50:40
  Models. Anybody can win that.
• 50:41
  And it's like, OK, but he just wanna Kalamazoo too.
• 50:44
  And he'd be Billy Shannon and Kenny had and Buddy had and Jeff
• 50:48
  Ganis and like he just beat all these cars that with 24 of them
• 50:53
  on the track. So, you know, sometimes it's
• 50:55
  like I'm and we've kind of talked about this Buju and I
• 50:58
  where I'm I'm more of a quality versus quantity, But I know
• 51:02
  sometimes you look at the quantity, you know, and that
• 51:04
  matters too. But it's like, I don't know, I
• 51:07
  I've seen a couple springboard people go around and whip some
• 51:09
  people. So, you know, and they maybe
• 51:11
  didn't have a lot of what people would see.
• 51:12
  There's a lot of competition, but they have that quality to
• 51:16
  them where they are stiff competition themselves.
• 51:18
  So sometimes the competition petition is in their own seats,
• 51:21
  not so much who's on the track with them.
• 51:24
  So for you, you know, you can't, you mentioned some names
• 51:27
  already. You know, what are driver or who
• 51:30
  are drivers that you've watched in your time.
• 51:32
  I mean, you miss, you mentioned Carson Hosevar, you mentioned
• 51:35
  Jeff Gordon, you know, who are some drivers that you've gotten
• 51:38
  a chance even at Hartford specifically, or it could be
• 51:41
  anywhere, Montville, wherever, where you said that's next level
• 51:45
  talent, where when you just watch them, you knew like
• 51:47
  they're going to go do something.
• 51:50
  Well, probably Kasey Kahne when he won that All Star show at
• 51:53
  Hartford. I've got Matt Frazier popping
• 52:01
  into my head. I can remember how he had a
• 52:04
  modest start to his career. He was running like late model
• 52:07
  sportsman at Kalamazoo and he ran into a guy one night, night
• 52:11
  he got the other guy, got a spot back and Matt had to go to the
• 52:15
  rear or something. And we had a good talk
• 52:18
  afterwards. I said just let this be a
• 52:19
  learning experience. But you can say I don't know if
• 52:22
  Matt's really in the superstar status.
• 52:24
  He's a good racer, but I mean, he has had some good finishes
• 52:28
  with the reveal. The hammer?
• 52:31
  Is that what it's called? Yep.
• 52:33
  Yep, the Outlaw Super Late Model series.
• 52:35
  But Phil Bozell, he's a good one.
• 52:45
  Not have a lot of names popping in my head right now all of a
• 52:47
  sudden so. Well, that's OK, but that's why
• 52:50
  I thought I would ask like, you know, who are, you know, because
• 52:53
  again, you've been doing it for so long.
• 52:55
  And so that's where it's like, you know, you've had a chance to
• 52:58
  see Hartford and a lot of different versions of itself
• 53:01
  from, you know, new grandstands to different surfaces to, you
• 53:06
  know, all the different sizes, obviously, which is we're just
• 53:10
  not going to go there because I know Leah's watching and she's I
• 53:12
  don't want to mention her most favorite phrase ever, but you
• 53:17
  know. Terry, Terry Seneker Junior and
• 53:22
  Steve Needles. They've they've won a lot of
• 53:24
  races with their Super Outlaw Late Models too.
• 53:29
  Talk about guys that have won races.
• 53:33
  How about this Tim DeVos from Berlin Raceway.
• 53:36
  Have you? Have you you?
• 53:37
  You've probably. Heard of him, haven't you?
• 53:40
  He's won he's 70 years old now and just when they had the
• 53:45
  reveal the hammer outlaw late models there he he set the new
• 53:48
  track record at 70 years old and he's also the all time
• 53:53
  winningest driver at Berlin ever for features all classes
• 53:59
  combined. So I'd say that's pretty good.
• 54:02
  Oh yeah, that's not too bad. But I was, I always tell people
• 54:05
  I went to school with Steve Needles.
• 54:07
  So I knew Steve Needles before he was super, super famous and
• 54:10
  the, and the lay models and all that.
• 54:12
  Like I, you know, I, I remember walking the hallways with him.
• 54:15
  So, you know, he was a, he was the class before me, you know,
• 54:20
  But you know, we're, we were both athletes.
• 54:23
  We were both, you know, in the same spots of the school at
• 54:27
  times. So I definitely knew who he was.
• 54:29
  And that's I, I was a Hartford fan at the time.
• 54:31
  So we were going and watching Jimmy Jackson and Jr.
• 54:35
  Hottavey and, you know, all those drivers, you know, back in
• 54:38
  those days in the early 2000s. But it's like, yeah, I, you
• 54:42
  know, I tell people I'm like, yeah, I, I went to school.
• 54:45
  Steve Needles. We walked the same hallways, you
• 54:47
  know, within the same three out of the four years.
• 54:49
  So because he he graduated one year before me.
• 54:52
  But but yeah, so that, you know, that's pretty cool to see
• 54:56
  everything that he's doing because again, you, you know,
• 54:58
  sometimes if you look back, you're like, you know, would we
• 55:00
  have known right when you that's why I wanted to ask you the
• 55:02
  question. Like if you know, if someone
• 55:04
  from now went all the way back then and said, Wayne, little
• 55:08
  Wayne, whatever you want to cover yourself back then as a
• 55:09
  kid, you, you know, you're going to be an announcer someday and
• 55:13
  you're going to be considered one of the best around, you
• 55:15
  know, what do you think about that?
• 55:16
  And so, you know, because sometimes it's nice to think
• 55:19
  back, you know, we all started as race fans at some point,
• 55:23
  right? So it's like as you're watching,
• 55:24
  you know, what hooked you at that moment in time.
• 55:27
  And so that's why I want to ask that is like, you know, if you
• 55:29
  if anyone went back and told me that, you know, I'd be doing
• 55:32
  media and doing all these things when I'm sitting at Santa Fe
• 55:35
  Speedway, you know, watching Tony Izzo and all them do their
• 55:38
  things and loving those cars. It's like I I don't know what I
• 55:42
  would think, right. I used to I always tell people
• 55:45
  I'm like, I used to be a Jeff Gordon fan, which I know is
• 55:47
  tough to, you know, claim nowadays, but you know, I used
• 55:50
  to be a Jeff Gordon fan drive, you know, driving or, you know,
• 55:53
  thinking of man, it'd be fun to win the Daytona 500 someday and
• 55:57
  all these things. And you know, you build your own
• 55:59
  race tracks in the dirt and you make your own races and you do
• 56:02
  your own All Star things. And but it's like, you know,
• 56:06
  what would you think about that? So that's why I wanted to ask
• 56:08
  that. OK, I I had a thought for.
• 56:11
  You. Yeah, yeah.
• 56:13
  One of the first years I was at Kalamazoo Speedway, there they
• 56:16
  were running TRISAC super modifies and sprints and kind of
• 56:21
  like a late model sportsman. And that late model sportsman
• 56:25
  field that they had had Mike, Dan Sperrentack, Jeff Travis,
• 56:29
  Bob Holly, Dick and Dale Harrington, Phil Lanson, Tom
• 56:33
  Martin, Bruce Lafountaine, Kim Heath.
• 56:37
  They were real Rangers. And I tell you what, Nick, Nick
• 56:41
  just had a way of announcing the call from the Super modified
• 56:44
  drivers. They sounded like super modified
• 56:47
  drivers. You know, Oscar Faye, Ron
• 56:50
  Samoka, Dean Best. They just sounded like they were
• 56:55
  super modified and sprinkler drivers to me.
• 56:58
  It was cool. Well, and I know again that Leah
• 57:02
  was on here and and she definitely sang your praise, You
• 57:05
  know, where you know, you're extremely knowledgeable of all
• 57:07
  things racing and he's the very best, all capitals, best
• 57:11
  announcer and we've been blessed to have him all 13 years with
• 57:15
  us. And obviously I know the devils
• 57:17
  have been super fun to work with.
• 57:19
  Lots of people have said that. And, and, and so I know you've
• 57:23
  definitely left your footprint on on short track racing and I
• 57:26
  definitely appreciate you working through all the
• 57:29
  technical, you know, glitches throughout the night.
• 57:32
  And you know, you're our first phone and we haven't had to do
• 57:35
  that yet, right? But now at least you know it
• 57:37
  works for the. Just in case you know, you go
• 57:39
  with the flow and. I appreciate that.
• 57:42
  Yeah, I know that because I'm like, man, we, we finally got
• 57:45
  you scheduled and it's like I, I definitely don't want to have to
• 57:47
  reschedule or anything. So we made it work and and now
• 57:50
  we at least we know we have a backup plan.
• 57:52
  But that's where again, for everything that you've done, you
• 57:55
  know, for short track racing in your time, still counting,
• 57:58
  right, you're not hanging it up anytime soon yet.
• 58:00
  But you know, that's definitely where I know in my time at
• 58:04
  Hartford. I've appreciate you, but I know
• 58:06
  so many fans have appreciated you and look forward to every
• 58:09
  time you get to call, you know, race so.
• 58:12
  I appreciate that. Thank you.
• 58:14
  Oh, no, you're very welcome. But again, thank you so much for
• 58:17
  joining us tonight and. Thanks for having me.
• 58:20
  Oh, absolutely. And good are do you guys race
• 58:22
  this Friday? I can't remember.
• 58:24
  No, we don't. No, that's because I fares.
• 58:26
  Yeah, fares are going. The 31st The 31st with the All
• 58:30
  Star Circuit of Champions, Sprint Cars and Cyber Stocks.
• 58:34
  August 8th is the another night of destruction free monster
• 58:39
  truck rides, and then I think the following Friday, I think
• 58:45
  we've got GLSS one more time again.
• 58:47
  All right, well, I know they always put on a good show too
• 58:50
  when they're there. And Yep, oh boy, those World of
• 58:53
  Outlaws. I got to stand on the infield
• 58:55
  and take pictures and everything during the hot laps and
• 58:57
  qualifying. And I told people, I said that
• 59:00
  was a different experience. That was kind of like an out of
• 59:02
  body experience when you're like, I almost feel like feeling
• 59:04
  like I'm cheating death, like it's just going to take one one
• 59:07
  thing to go wrong. Just to watch some of the videos
• 59:11
  and hear the sound of like a guy qualifying.
• 59:13
  Yeah, they sound like they're in some farm field that's about a
• 59:18
  mile long. Yeah.
• 59:20
  Definitely doesn't sound like they're on a 3/8 mile track.
• 59:23
  No, no, that, that was a different experience that I've
• 59:25
  never had before. I've never I've walked the
• 59:28
  Enfield on non race days, but on race days I've never been in an
• 59:31
  infield and I've heard so many people talk about it.
• 59:33
  So that's I asked Lee, I said, can I go do this one time?
• 59:36
  You know, like I don't need to do it all the time, but one time
• 59:39
  and shit, sure you go down, you don't you just don't get hurt or
• 59:43
  anything. Be smart.
• 59:44
  And but once I was down there, I talked with the track
• 59:47
  photographer too and I said that that was different.
• 59:49
  I've never, I don't think I've ever experienced anything like
• 59:52
  that before, and I don't know that I ever will again.
• 59:54
  But. The speed at ground level is
• 59:56
  really different, isn't it a lot?
• 59:58
  Faster, yeah, it was, but it was a lot cleaner So, you know, up
• 1:00:02
  top you get out of the dirt down below you didn't get any of the
• 1:00:05
  dirt at least at that time. So.
• 1:00:07
  But again, Wayne, thank you so much for joining us.
• 1:00:09
  And I know we kept you a little bit longer, but it also allowed
• 1:00:12
  Taylor. Taylor had to go do some things
• 1:00:14
  really quick and so he had to leave the.
• 1:00:17
  The stream and now he's back so you know that's where it all
• 1:00:20
  kind of worked out that we have the technical glitches that all
• 1:00:23
  the time and just kind of worked perfect for everyone tonight so
• 1:00:26
  great we. Appreciate it.
• 1:00:28
  And so does Tim and Lee. I know that too.
• 1:00:30
  Oh, absolutely. Again, thank you for everything
• 1:00:32
  that you're doing. Again, you can hear Wayne, not
• 1:00:34
  this coming Friday, but next Friday at the Hartford Speedway
• 1:00:37
  and every night at the Hartford Speedway whenever they race.
• 1:00:40
  And again, one of the legends in the game.
• 1:00:43
  So again, thank you so much, Wayne, for joining us tonight.
• 1:00:46
  All right. Thanks a lot.
• 1:00:48
  Right. So again, we've been talking
• 1:00:49
  with Wayne Bunn from Hartford Speedway and now we're going to
• 1:00:52
  go over. Wayne did mention Russell's M40
• 1:00:55
  Speedway in Jones, MI. And we have Taylor Haynes who's
• 1:00:58
  going to be joining us again. He had a little bit of a thing
• 1:01:01
  that he had to go do really quick.
• 1:01:02
  And so we'll bring on Taylor. Taylor, usually at this time I
• 1:01:05
  do my top of the hour since it is 8:00.
• 1:01:07
  So just a moment, we're watching the Monday Night Rewind
• 1:01:11
  presented by ELH detailing Federated Auto Parts and
• 1:01:15
  national Compact touring series. And so now we're going to track
• 1:01:18
  the national compacts. We'll be going to here in a few
• 1:01:20
  weeks with the Down syndrome on 9.
• 1:01:24
  So I know that's coming up, but welcome to the show, Taylor.
• 1:01:29
  It's great to be here. You know, I don't have social
• 1:01:32
  media at all that much, but I hear these are really
• 1:01:35
  successful, so I'm glad you guys were able to find a slot for me.
• 1:01:39
  Oh yeah, I don't know that when Buju and I, you know, really
• 1:01:43
  started this. I mean, Jude, Jack and I were
• 1:01:45
  the first couple episodes and we brought Buju on.
• 1:01:47
  I don't know that, you know, by through episode 23 we would have
• 1:01:50
  thought where we would have been.
• 1:01:51
  But what's so great about, and Buju said this and I said this,
• 1:01:55
  you know, the Monday night rewinds is that we bring a lot
• 1:01:57
  of people on who more than likely we could put pretty good
• 1:02:02
  money on it more than likely wouldn't be on other podcasts
• 1:02:06
  for one reason or another. And so we really pride ourselves
• 1:02:08
  on that, that it's not just superstars and All Stars and all
• 1:02:12
  the big names that you're going to hear all the time anyways
• 1:02:15
  that, you know, we brought on different series that are kind
• 1:02:18
  of small. We brought on different staff
• 1:02:19
  members, we brought on some different, I mean, we had a 2
• 1:02:22
  hour night of destruction conversation that did over 5 or
• 1:02:26
  over 6000 views. And so talk about night of
• 1:02:29
  destruction like you know, and so that was pretty cool and
• 1:02:33
  everything. So it's like, you know, I
• 1:02:34
  definitely know no night of destruction movie on any other
• 1:02:36
  podcast that's on Mondays and very rarely front wheel drive.
• 1:02:40
  So but we get to have now Someone Like You who's behind
• 1:02:44
  the scenes a lot and people may know who you are or may see you,
• 1:02:49
  but you would probably be, you know, someone who would be just
• 1:02:51
  kind of forgotten. You're in the background.
• 1:02:52
  But on the Monday night rewind, you get to be the star now.
• 1:02:55
  So why don't you introduce yourself to everybody?
• 1:02:58
  And I don't know if you heard the part with Wayne, but I kind
• 1:03:01
  of told you this when we talked to them 40 that this is a shoot
• 1:03:03
  first, aim second. You know, we go with the go with
• 1:03:07
  the flow. There's no script or anything.
• 1:03:09
  We go wherever, wherever the conversation goes.
• 1:03:12
  But I always like to start off with that of you know who you
• 1:03:15
  are and, and certainly remind everyone to share out like and
• 1:03:18
  all that to help get the podcast out there too, cuz that allows
• 1:03:22
  us to grow. Awesome.
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  Well so for I know you guys know who I am, but for you guys that
• 1:03:28
  are watching, my name is Taylor Haynes.
• 1:03:31
  I've been working for Plymouth Motor Speedway and now recently
• 1:03:36
  Russell's M40 Speedway. I do double duty so Friday
• 1:03:40
  nights I'm at Plymouth Motor Speedway or South Bend.
• 1:03:43
  That's where I started, but on Saturdays you can catch me at
• 1:03:47
  Russell's M40 Speedway up in Jones, MI and I've been doing
• 1:03:51
  this for this is my 11th season. So I started out at South Bend
• 1:03:55
  as a gate worker, working the back gate, checking bags as a
• 1:03:59
  security guard. And then you know, a couple
• 1:04:02
  quick seasons later, Burn Sour gave me the opportunity to work
• 1:04:07
  on track crew. And then ever since then I've
• 1:04:09
  been with the Sour management family.
• 1:04:12
  Even when they proceeded to buy Plymouth, I proceeded to do
• 1:04:16
  double duty for South Bend and for Plymouth.
• 1:04:19
  The for that one season where they were trying to do both
• 1:04:23
  tracks. And then the Russell's bought in
• 1:04:27
  40. And originally they ran on
• 1:04:30
  Sundays. Well, I'm like, you know what?
• 1:04:33
  I'm already doing Plymouth on some nights, I'm doing South
• 1:04:36
  Bend on the other nights. Let's go do something on Sunday.
• 1:04:39
  So I went and I got in with the Russell's family and since then
• 1:04:44
  they have also presented me with a whole bunch of opportunities
• 1:04:48
  to where I can help make a difference in short track
• 1:04:51
  racing. Well, that's one thing that you
• 1:04:54
  talk about all the time. I know when you know you and
• 1:04:57
  I've had a chance to have a lot of different conversations.
• 1:04:59
  I know you and booze you have, and so why don't you talk a
• 1:05:02
  little bit about even what got you into short track racing?
• 1:05:05
  Like when did all this start like kind of go back to your
• 1:05:07
  roots? So like, how do you even end up
• 1:05:10
  at the track where you're being security, you know, And so like
• 1:05:14
  kind of go back to when did you really start getting into
• 1:05:16
  racing? So, OK, so a lot of people, this
• 1:05:21
  is going to be a shock for a lot of people if some people don't
• 1:05:24
  know, I don't know if you guys know.
• 1:05:26
  I know Blue Drew might know, but anyway, So what got me in the
• 1:05:29
  short track racing was it's no secret.
• 1:05:33
  Everybody sneaks into New Paris, let's be honest.
• 1:05:35
  So whether it's in the trunk of a car or under a blanket or in
• 1:05:40
  the back of the van. So my grandfather kind of
• 1:05:43
  throwing him under the bus. For you guys that don't know, my
• 1:05:46
  grandpa is Buford Haynes. He had a Dodge truck with a
• 1:05:50
  whole bunch of decals on it from head to toe.
• 1:05:53
  The running rumor at South Bend was that the stickers, the
• 1:05:56
  decals was what was holding it together.
• 1:05:59
  Which is probably true, but my grandfather would babysit me on
• 1:06:03
  the weekends and so he would take me into the race tracks.
• 1:06:08
  Mainly New Paris because I got in free, but I would go to New
• 1:06:13
  Paris and I never was at the playground.
• 1:06:16
  I mean sure, I may have snuck in a snuck away every now and then
• 1:06:19
  when I seen some friends, but I was sitting there, I was
• 1:06:22
  watching racing. I was watching Lou and Cindy
• 1:06:25
  racing, Lou and Cindy Strimy racing.
• 1:06:28
  I was watching, oh God, I mean everybody.
• 1:06:31
  I mean Rich Bowl. I had the chance to meet Dylan.
• 1:06:35
  I'm not Dylan Strimy, David Strimy.
• 1:06:38
  I see Dylan quite often, but I've gotten the chance to meet
• 1:06:42
  and watch David Strimy race. It is just that's where it all
• 1:06:47
  started was sneaking into New Paris when I was a young kid,
• 1:06:50
  watching some Saturday night racing.
• 1:06:52
  And then a couple years later down the road, I just became 15
• 1:06:57
  years old and my grandpa looks at me and he was working at
• 1:07:01
  South Bend as a gate worker. He would watch Boojoo, you know,
• 1:07:06
  South Bend and so you Louis, all the cars would come in the one
• 1:07:10
  gate. And so my grandfather made sure
• 1:07:13
  to check everybody's wristbands. Well, at some point, South Bend
• 1:07:17
  needed some more help Ramp. I asked me if I could do it and
• 1:07:21
  I said yeah, let's go. So he introduced me to Vern
• 1:07:26
  Sauer. Vern Sauer ended up hiring me on
• 1:07:29
  as a security guard. And then that's where I got
• 1:07:33
  introduced to Tony Eldridge. And then Tony, Kevin, Vern ever.
• 1:07:38
  I mean, everybody was my boss. I was the rookie.
• 1:07:40
  I mean, I just did what I had to do and then that's where it all
• 1:07:44
  started. My grandpa got me a job at South
• 1:07:47
  Bend and the rest is history. Actually did not know that
• 1:07:51
  Buford was your grandfather. I did not know.
• 1:07:54
  That a lot of people every weekend find out.
• 1:07:59
  I mean, you know, but he's, I mean, he used to work security
• 1:08:02
  too. So that kind of makes sense,
• 1:08:03
  right? Like, I mean, you know, knowing
• 1:08:05
  what he used to do and walking around and everything.
• 1:08:07
  I mean, he's always friendly to anybody that he walked by and
• 1:08:10
  all that, right. And so, so, yeah, I did not know
• 1:08:14
  that. That's when you said Buford.
• 1:08:15
  I'm like, he's at M40 now, you know, all these things.
• 1:08:20
  So is he sneaking you into M40 now or?
• 1:08:23
  No, God, no. I sneak.
• 1:08:25
  Myself in I actually end up volunteering.
• 1:08:27
  No, I'm joking. No, I good Lord, he's going to
• 1:08:31
  hate me for that if he's watching.
• 1:08:34
  I don't think there's anybody that's ever watched a show or
• 1:08:37
  been on the show that probably doesn't have a sneaking in a new
• 1:08:40
  pair of story at some point. Mom or dad, get under the
• 1:08:43
  blanket. I'll never forget I begged my
• 1:08:47
  little off topic about sneaking in.
• 1:08:50
  I begged my grandpa to take me to the Summer Sizzler and I was
• 1:08:54
  like, he was like a little hesitant and was, I don't know,
• 1:08:58
  this is a big show, like this is going to be a big risk.
• 1:09:01
  I said, come on. I got to see Super Late Models.
• 1:09:04
  All right, fine. He threw me in the bed of his
• 1:09:07
  van. He's like, all right, be quiet.
• 1:09:10
  OK, that's cool. I'm going to be quiet.
• 1:09:12
  And I was chilling and I was chilling.
• 1:09:13
  We got there early because grandpa loves being one of the
• 1:09:16
  first fans, which suck. When you were sneaking in and it
• 1:09:19
  was like 85° out and you have no AC.
• 1:09:22
  So I was just sweating like crazy in this trunk.
• 1:09:26
  And God, I hope he, I hope nobody turns me in for CPS or
• 1:09:30
  anything. Oh God.
• 1:09:31
  But I'm. Just I don't know that it would
• 1:09:34
  go, I don't know that it would go anywhere now, but.
• 1:09:36
  Yeah, I'm 26 now, so yeah. But yeah, no, he finally, after
• 1:09:42
  enough persistentness, my grandpa finally got me in to
• 1:09:46
  watch my first Summer Sizzler, which was 2008. 2008 was my
• 1:09:52
  first Summer Sizzler. Couldn't tell you who won
• 1:09:55
  because about halfway through the race I ended up knocking
• 1:09:57
  out. I went to sleep.
• 1:09:59
  I was exhausted, but I had a bunch of fun that day.
• 1:10:03
  And you? Flop in the van before the races
• 1:10:05
  started. I actually did take a nap in the
• 1:10:07
  van. That was funny thing.
• 1:10:09
  That was my, my, my downfall. But yes.
• 1:10:13
  So yes, my grandfather is Buford Haynes if you don't know him,
• 1:10:18
  and he is the reason why I love short track racing.
• 1:10:22
  All right, there you go. Well, since not to do cheap plug
• 1:10:24
  time, but usually on Mondays with you a Mick Foley, Mankind
• 1:10:27
  cheap plug time, and since you brought up the Summer Sizzler, I
• 1:10:30
  think it's a good time to say limited late models might be
• 1:10:34
  added to the Summer Sizzler. I can't give all the details on
• 1:10:37
  how that impacts the Great Lakes Truck Tour that was on the
• 1:10:40
  schedule, but I'll let people figure out that.
• 1:10:43
  But it would be 10 or 10,000. That's not the number.
• 1:10:47
  Settle down, Louis. Matt messed that up.
• 1:10:50
  Chris, Chris just jumped out of a chair, so I weren't.
• 1:10:52
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, but Tracy's gonna hunt me down.
• 1:10:55
  But that's what's gonna happen, right?
• 1:10:57
  But 1075 win. Plus they get a full case of
• 1:11:01
  bacon and a grill to go with the bacon.
• 1:11:05
  So it would be 275 to start if they add lemon lay models.
• 1:11:09
  So if you know any lemon lay model racers that might be
• 1:11:14
  looking to be a part of the Sizzler because you just it's
• 1:11:17
  the 25th 1. You just never know when it's
• 1:11:18
  the last one They might want to want to.
• 1:11:22
  Oh yeah, see, Tracy already said hung me down.
• 1:11:24
  So 25 like I said, you just never know when it might be the
• 1:11:29
  last one that, you know, Ray Miles added to this.
• 1:11:32
  I obviously I know you're at Russell's and so I'm kind of
• 1:11:34
  stealing that because I know they raised limits too.
• 1:11:36
  But but I figure, you know, you talked about the Sizzler and
• 1:11:40
  you're talking about sneaking into new pairs.
• 1:11:41
  So it almost kind of feels like this is a give back in a way,
• 1:11:44
  right? Like you, you know, but yeah, so
• 1:11:47
  I forgot to mention that earlier because we had all the technical
• 1:11:49
  difficulties that that's what I've got you at the top of the
• 1:11:51
  show before we brought on Wayne. But having the phone and do all
• 1:11:56
  the things trying to get it all figured out threw threw me off
• 1:11:59
  where I even realized just now my banner's not running at the
• 1:12:01
  bottom. So I am very poor at Management
• 1:12:04
  Today, but in production. So I I should be fired.
• 1:12:07
  Buju can just take over the show the whole way.
• 1:12:08
  But nothing has gone on time yet today so yeah, whatever.
• 1:12:15
  But anyways, one of the things that you know, definitely stands
• 1:12:19
  out about you, Taylor, and I know you don't have social
• 1:12:21
  media, but you heard through the Grapevine that you had that
• 1:12:23
  driver spotlight, short track spotlight come through.
• 1:12:26
  And I know Jason helped her set it too.
• 1:12:28
  And I definitely want to give your due diligence on this and,
• 1:12:31
  and, and shout you out is, you know, you get stuff done.
• 1:12:35
  And so how is it that just in life, 'cause if you want to peel
• 1:12:41
  the onion back a little bit and just say all the things that
• 1:12:47
  you're managing, I mean, you have a pro shop, you've coached
• 1:12:50
  bowling, you've done all these different things.
• 1:12:53
  You, you, you did college stuff like how are you managing all
• 1:12:57
  this? If you want to peel the onion
• 1:12:58
  back, But what because you're making to, whether it's to
• 1:13:00
  Plymouth or South Bend OR in 40, you know, 2-3 hour drives in
• 1:13:04
  traffic, right? You never know to go do what you
• 1:13:08
  love. So how do you manage all this?
• 1:13:10
  How do you do all of that? So to be honest, I'm a lot like
• 1:13:14
  my grandfather in some ways. My grandfather before he had his
• 1:13:18
  accident, he was a workaholic. I and that's, it's in my, it's
• 1:13:23
  in my veins. I don't want to, you know, waste
• 1:13:26
  my time. I want to make an impact in some
• 1:13:28
  way, whether that's in the bowling community or in the
• 1:13:31
  racing community. So I just I wake up, I take my
• 1:13:35
  shower, I do what I got to do in the morning and I just start
• 1:13:39
  with the right foot forward and I just I do my best.
• 1:13:43
  I mean, I try and be as honest as I possibly can be, but while
• 1:13:48
  being respectful and I just, I just do it.
• 1:13:51
  I can't really explain it. I just, I live to help the short
• 1:13:56
  track racing community. I live to help the bowling
• 1:13:59
  community and I do what I can to make an impact in anybody's
• 1:14:03
  life. What?
• 1:14:03
  And hopefully that's positive. So yeah, I mean, I can't really
• 1:14:08
  explain it. Like I just, I wake up and I
• 1:14:11
  just want to do it. I have such a strong passion for
• 1:14:16
  racing and for bowling and just just for anything.
• 1:14:20
  If I commit to anything, I give it 110% and I just, I go out
• 1:14:25
  there and I do the best I possibly can.
• 1:14:27
  And I've had a lot of rookie moments where I've definitely
• 1:14:30
  learned. But then I've also had a lot of
• 1:14:33
  great moments where I have been fortunate enough to look back
• 1:14:37
  and say, oh wow, I actually did that.
• 1:14:39
  That's great. Like I would have never seen
• 1:14:41
  myself like that five years ago. So I just, you know, to answer
• 1:14:47
  your full question, I really can't.
• 1:14:49
  I just, I wake up and I do it. That's all I can do.
• 1:14:53
  And I drop notes down. I learn and I just keep moving
• 1:14:57
  forward. Well, what a lot of people may
• 1:15:00
  not know either. So with all this, this is partly
• 1:15:02
  where I'm going with that, right, is that your passion for
• 1:15:05
  short track racing is evident. It's clear anyone who talks with
• 1:15:10
  you knows that. But there may be a lot of people
• 1:15:12
  watching right now, who knows that it wasn't all that long ago
• 1:15:16
  that you were involved in a very serious accident at the
• 1:15:19
  racetrack that I could get hundreds of thousands of views
• 1:15:24
  on. That is not touch the light of
• 1:15:26
  day just for the respect out of everyone who's been involved in
• 1:15:30
  that right. And so, you know, you went from
• 1:15:33
  being pinned behind a fence and thrown back at South Bend when
• 1:15:36
  you know, 2 Hornet cars came crashing through the gate there
• 1:15:40
  to still coming to the track. I think you it was what 2 weeks
• 1:15:44
  later you're back at the track. Maybe it was the following week,
• 1:15:46
  something like that, you know, and you're still at the track,
• 1:15:49
  still doing all these things that even though you experienced
• 1:15:53
  a very tragic, you know, and it wasn't tragic in that someone,
• 1:15:57
  no one would be passed away, but tragic.
• 1:15:59
  Tragic in the sense that there could be PTSD of like, the sound
• 1:16:02
  of a, especially a front wheel drive.
• 1:16:05
  You know, that gets a lot of control through TSB.
• 1:16:07
  But just, you know, just that, you know, that just gets too
• 1:16:12
  right. But yeah, it has to be on the
• 1:16:14
  racetrack. Just making that noise gets a
• 1:16:15
  lot of people frustrated. But right, you went from that
• 1:16:18
  where, you know, car coming close by.
• 1:16:19
  I mean, you're standing by cars all the time.
• 1:16:21
  You're flagging cars all the time.
• 1:16:22
  Like there's probably a lot of people watching who may not even
• 1:16:25
  know what I'm talking about because I'm the only one that
• 1:16:28
  has the video of it and it's never made it out in public.
• 1:16:31
  Right. So, you know, without getting
• 1:16:33
  too detailed, yes, that that was a scary night.
• 1:16:37
  OK, I still to this day, I don't remember.
• 1:16:42
  I so for many people that don't know, at South Bend, when it was
• 1:16:47
  still up and around and doing weekly racing, I was one of the
• 1:16:50
  gate workers. After I graduated from gate
• 1:16:53
  working and security and I became a part of the track crew,
• 1:16:57
  I would help wave the flag in turn 2, enter and exit gate for
• 1:17:04
  the racetrack. And so I was always right there.
• 1:17:07
  I helped open and close that heavy gate.
• 1:17:11
  But it had its pros sometimes, especially after Vern redid it.
• 1:17:16
  But that there's not too much that I can say on that night
• 1:17:21
  because I don't remember it. I had a chit chat with oh God,
• 1:17:30
  what was his name? Sorry, I'm drunk.
• 1:17:33
  It'll probably pop in here in a second.
• 1:17:35
  But that whole ordeal couple years later, I seen you at the
• 1:17:38
  summer sizzling and I asked you if I could see it and you were,
• 1:17:42
  you know. Yeah.
• 1:17:43
  Let me give me till the end of the night.
• 1:17:44
  We'll talk. Cool.
• 1:17:46
  We at the end of the night, we were under the tower at New
• 1:17:50
  Paris. And you showed me the video and
• 1:17:52
  I finally see it and I'm like, wow.
• 1:17:55
  I, I was, I was like 6 feet in the air and I flew back to the
• 1:17:59
  end of the hot shoe, which was probably a good 1015 feet away
• 1:18:03
  from where that gate was already shut.
• 1:18:06
  And I, I don't remember much from that night, but what I do
• 1:18:09
  remember is Michael Richardson. He was driving a street stock
• 1:18:15
  that season. When I finally came to,
• 1:18:19
  Richardson was standing over my head and I looked at him and I
• 1:18:23
  said, well, what happened? And he was like, yeah, nothing,
• 1:18:27
  don't worry about. It just happened.
• 1:18:29
  And I was like, what? And that's he was like, no,
• 1:18:32
  don't move your head, everything's good.
• 1:18:34
  I was like, dude, I can look around.
• 1:18:36
  He's like, I know, just be cool, talk to me, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:18:40
  And at that point, I didn't even realize my headset wasn't even
• 1:18:43
  nearby. Like my headset ended up falling
• 1:18:45
  off. And without getting too
• 1:18:50
  detailed, you know, we had two Hornet cars locked together sort
• 1:18:54
  of going into two. They locked together and they
• 1:18:56
  lined up with that gate. And I was fortunate enough to in
• 1:19:03
  the video, I was able to, it looks like I turned around at a
• 1:19:07
  good times. And when that gate exploded, I
• 1:19:11
  got launched and ended up taking a couple of barrel rolls.
• 1:19:15
  I'm assuming, I mean, I don't know for sure because the video
• 1:19:18
  didn't catch that, but I'm assuming I took a couple barrel
• 1:19:21
  rolls, stopped at the end of the hot shoot and I was out for a
• 1:19:25
  minute. There was he was hanging out in
• 1:19:30
  Eric Kaiser's pit because Eric Kaiser in South Bend days, his
• 1:19:34
  pad was like straight off right when you exited the track.
• 1:19:38
  And he, I can't think of his name right now, but it'll come
• 1:19:41
  to me again. He said he thought I was dead.
• 1:19:45
  And as did a lot of people that were near that incident, they
• 1:19:48
  thought the four of us that got hurt, not going to mention the
• 1:19:52
  other three's names, but the four of us that got hurt, they
• 1:19:56
  thought two of us were dead. And I was very fortunate enough
• 1:19:59
  to walk away from that. And then, you know, we ended up
• 1:20:03
  having to take a week off from racing because we couldn't get
• 1:20:06
  the materials. This is the story that I was
• 1:20:09
  told. OK, But I don't know the exact
• 1:20:11
  story but. Couldn't get the materials in to
• 1:20:14
  fix the gate because the right side of the gate, if you're
• 1:20:17
  looking towards the flag stand, it was off its hinges.
• 1:20:20
  Like it it fell on the ground like it was out of socket, like
• 1:20:24
  that whole part of the gate was destroyed.
• 1:20:27
  So we took a week off to get material back.
• 1:20:30
  And by God, that next week, yeah, my leg was still a little
• 1:20:34
  taped up, but I was still there flagging and sending cars out on
• 1:20:37
  the track. You're going to have to put me
• 1:20:39
  in a grave to get me away from a racetrack.
• 1:20:40
  I can promise you that. But yeah, I PTSD from that
• 1:20:45
  situation or having any form of fear of being near the racetrack
• 1:20:52
  or running that gate or doing anything trackside.
• 1:20:57
  I don't have it. Because when you love what you
• 1:20:59
  do, you just don't develop that type of fear we all know.
• 1:21:03
  Now, granted, I've never turned a lap in my life at South Bend,
• 1:21:07
  Plymouth, M40. Never done it OK, but there was
• 1:21:13
  an old saying and I think it was in the movie Days of Thunder or
• 1:21:16
  maybe it was even in Talladega Nights which isn't the best
• 1:21:19
  reference but we know the risk when we strap in.
• 1:21:24
  And now, granted, I don't strap into a race car, but I know the
• 1:21:27
  risk and I'm willing to take that risk to run a successful
• 1:21:31
  show and more or less make memories for not just myself,
• 1:21:36
  but for the fans and for the drivers and for the crews or
• 1:21:39
  even photographers and safety. I mean, we have a bunch of
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  laughs. We've had a couple of moments
• 1:21:45
  where after we've dealt with some situations on track that,
• 1:21:49
  you know, we cried a little bit. I know I did.
• 1:21:53
  But I'm still fortunate enough to be here and continue doing
• 1:21:57
  what I love. So yes, the gate incident, it
• 1:21:59
  scared me, but it didn't chase me away.
• 1:22:02
  And now we're good. Well, that's why I wanted to,
• 1:22:06
  you know, I kind of wanted to bring that up.
• 1:22:08
  Just knowing your passion is that you know you experience
• 1:22:11
  something that. And, and yeah, I mean, well, I
• 1:22:15
  was, I was, I was 6 feet to Taylor's right when it would
• 1:22:18
  have happened. And to be honest, I don't even
• 1:22:20
  remember Taylor Taylor being there when it happened because
• 1:22:22
  he got flung. So he wasn't in my, he wasn't in
• 1:22:25
  my line of sight when I, so I mean, it's one of the scariest
• 1:22:29
  things I've ever seen in my life.
• 1:22:30
  The noise is something I'll never forget.
• 1:22:32
  And as Taylor said, it didn't look good at the time.
• 1:22:35
  So I mean, I took Taylor's credit and to, I mean, track
• 1:22:39
  workers credit everywhere. And to Taylor's point that it's
• 1:22:42
  not just driver safety that is important.
• 1:22:43
  Everybody has to have their head on a swivel and realize that
• 1:22:47
  it's an active racetrack and it's not just what happens
• 1:22:49
  between the walls and the grass that matters.
• 1:22:51
  Everybody's got it. And it's not anybody's fault
• 1:22:53
  what happened in South Bend, like tails.
• 1:22:54
  It's not, it's not South Bend's fault.
• 1:22:55
  It's not the horn's fault. Just one of those freak things
• 1:22:58
  that happens. But that's why everyone has to
• 1:22:59
  be on their toes. And yeah, just just wanted to
• 1:23:02
  reiterate Taylor's point while Because I was there as well.
• 1:23:05
  And yeah, it was a scary time, so.
• 1:23:08
  But to come back and keep doing what you're doing, they're,
• 1:23:11
  they're people who would have walked away that moment of time
• 1:23:13
  and been just done right. Never go back, never doing that.
• 1:23:16
  I mean, everyone has a different threshold.
• 1:23:18
  Everyone has a different experience.
• 1:23:19
  But I mean, that's something that, again, you know, there's a
• 1:23:22
  lot of people who probably work with you nowadays who may not
• 1:23:25
  even know that that happened and that you don't let it, you don't
• 1:23:28
  let it impact you and haven't let it impact you that you keep
• 1:23:31
  going on and still managed to do all these things and continue to
• 1:23:33
  do all that. So, you know, I think that's
• 1:23:35
  something that again, it just speaks to like who you are and
• 1:23:39
  that, you know, you just, you just have such a love for this.
• 1:23:42
  And so why, and I know Buju has questions, why don't you talk a
• 1:23:46
  little bit about, you know, you've gotten the flag, you've
• 1:23:49
  gotten to announce, you've gotten to do different things,
• 1:23:51
  like what is it ultimately in racing that you want to do?
• 1:23:56
  So I mean, I haven't really put too much thought in that my my
• 1:24:01
  main priority is to help benefit the track in any way I can.
• 1:24:08
  And so whether that's you need me in the flag stand.
• 1:24:10
  I was just at in the flag stand at Russell's M 42 weeks ago.
• 1:24:15
  Marky was able to give me his flags and I went up there 17
• 1:24:20
  heat races, 109 cars on the property.
• 1:24:23
  Loved it. My forearm was a little sore at
• 1:24:26
  by the end of the night, but I can jump in the flag stand.
• 1:24:30
  I've also gotten a privilege to announce That is awesome.
• 1:24:35
  Oh my goodness, I love announcing.
• 1:24:36
  If I could do it more, Frank, if you're watching this, let me
• 1:24:39
  have more. But you know, every time Seltzer
• 1:24:45
  comes and announces at M40, he's I always ask him.
• 1:24:48
  Of course, I never want to intrude because he is the voice
• 1:24:51
  that night. He lets me do the prayer, which
• 1:24:55
  is always awesome. You know, I, Russell's John
• 1:25:01
  Russell has been very, very patient with me and let me pick
• 1:25:06
  his brain for tech. So for there for a while it was
• 1:25:09
  just me and John in tech and then I got pulled every which
• 1:25:12
  direction to help benefit the show and John's smart.
• 1:25:16
  I mean, John knows his way around the race car, so he was
• 1:25:19
  cool with being in tech by himself sometimes.
• 1:25:23
  But then I was able to figure out a little bit more on details
• 1:25:27
  on what makes a street stock a street stock, What makes a late
• 1:25:30
  model, a late model Hornet road warrior.
• 1:25:32
  You know, depending on what class, what track you're at, you
• 1:25:36
  know, we call them Rd. Warriors.
• 1:25:38
  At other tracks, they're Hornets, you know, the Montville
• 1:25:41
  stocks, factory Fords. Those are a lot of fun.
• 1:25:44
  You know, I can do it all. And so, you know, to answer your
• 1:25:50
  question, what's my end game? I would love to be a race
• 1:25:54
  director one day. But you know what?
• 1:25:56
  If that never happens, that's OK because I am comfortable,
• 1:26:00
  confident and privileged to be at any spot on the racetrack as
• 1:26:05
  long as I'm there to help benefit the track.
• 1:26:08
  I'm down for the I'm, I'm down. Let's go.
• 1:26:10
  Like I'm ready. So yeah, so it's my end game,
• 1:26:16
  like I just said. I mean, there's really not much
• 1:26:20
  thought that I've put into it. I just know I want to help and
• 1:26:25
  that's that's what I strive for every Friday and Saturday when I
• 1:26:29
  can come to the track. And sometimes Sunday depends on
• 1:26:32
  like day of reckoning and stuff. All right, Buju, I know I was
• 1:26:36
  edging you a little bit there. Is is there a job you wouldn't
• 1:26:40
  do? Taylor seems like you've done a
• 1:26:41
  little bit of everything so far. Is there something you would say
• 1:26:43
  no to? Oh God.
• 1:26:46
  I saw as far as the racetrack goes.
• 1:26:51
  As far as the racetrack goes, not really.
• 1:26:53
  I mean, like I said earlier, if I can benefit a track, I will do
• 1:26:58
  it. If you need me to be a gate
• 1:27:00
  worker again, because there was a couple times at South Bend
• 1:27:03
  where they needed somebody at the back gate for a little bit.
• 1:27:06
  Thank you. That's my roots, that's where I
• 1:27:08
  started. Let's go.
• 1:27:09
  So I would go help out there. I mean, if you need me in the
• 1:27:12
  concession to collect money or put mustard on a hot dog or deep
• 1:27:18
  fried. Uncrustable finally had one.
• 1:27:20
  Pretty good. Come on.
• 1:27:21
  Though I never would have thought.
• 1:27:23
  That, But yeah, I mean, I literally if you just show me a
• 1:27:28
  few times, not saying show me once, just show me a few times
• 1:27:32
  so I can get a routine, boom, let's go.
• 1:27:35
  I can do anything. I mean how even if John asked me
• 1:27:39
  to clean the bath? John if you're seeing this.
• 1:27:41
  But if you need me to clean the bathrooms, like let's go give me
• 1:27:45
  a power washer and some non dish soap.
• 1:27:47
  That's probably not the right tools to use, but I'll get it
• 1:27:50
  done. So I think you not being on
• 1:27:54
  social media and being in the local racing scene probably
• 1:27:56
  gives you a different perspective than what a lot of
• 1:27:59
  us have that go to the track every week.
• 1:28:01
  So with and I'm not, I don't want to say it's all negativity
• 1:28:05
  all the time, but there is a lot of negativity sometimes on
• 1:28:07
  social media in the racing world.
• 1:28:08
  So it's from someone who doesn't have social media and you're
• 1:28:10
  just at the track and you're seeing what's happening at the
• 1:28:12
  track. What do you feel we're doing
• 1:28:14
  right right now instead of the other side where everybody where
• 1:28:17
  instead of the people who have something to complain about.
• 1:28:19
  What do you feel like race tracks are doing right,
• 1:28:21
  specifically maybe M40 or you're trying.
• 1:28:24
  What do you feel like they're doing right right now?
• 1:28:27
  So, you know, like what we're doing right now, that's right is
• 1:28:31
  we're being adults and we're talking about it.
• 1:28:33
  We're not going to go bash somebody.
• 1:28:35
  We're we're talking like gentlemen, whether that's in a
• 1:28:38
  private atmosphere or in a public atmosphere like this
• 1:28:42
  right here, you know, bringing brand awareness and positivity,
• 1:28:47
  I think is going to, one, help bring people back to short
• 1:28:49
  track. Because we all know, even though
• 1:28:52
  I don't have social media, I know there's a lot of negativity
• 1:28:55
  out there. You know, I don't like Joe Blow
• 1:28:57
  'cause he spun me out five years ago going into one at, you know,
• 1:29:01
  Galesburg. OK, how does that affect us here
• 1:29:06
  at Russell's or how does that affect it here at Plymouth?
• 1:29:08
  Like, get the hell over it. I'm sorry.
• 1:29:11
  Sure. I don't know if I can cuss.
• 1:29:12
  You're good. I dropped a few ones a few weeks
• 1:29:16
  ago. We're all.
• 1:29:18
  I really could do that. It's it's being adults.
• 1:29:25
  I mean, it's not having social media.
• 1:29:28
  When somebody brings something to my attention, I always, OK,
• 1:29:32
  where's your proof? Show me.
• 1:29:33
  I'm not saying you're wrong, but I need to know both sides of the
• 1:29:37
  story before I can do anything, whether that's making a call on
• 1:29:41
  the racetrack or handling something, you know, throughout
• 1:29:45
  the week with, you know, somebody had a bad experience at
• 1:29:49
  wherever, you know, I need to know both sides of the store.
• 1:29:53
  And if we can set down and have a reasonable, reasonable
• 1:29:56
  conversation, that's all I can do.
• 1:29:59
  I mean, I, I love what you guys are doing.
• 1:30:03
  This is a positive outlook for the racing community no matter
• 1:30:07
  which track you're promoting. It's Yeah.
• 1:30:12
  I just even if I did have social media, I'm not gonna be the
• 1:30:15
  first one to go bad mouth anybody.
• 1:30:19
  Like I don't see the point in doing it cuz yeah, but yeah.
• 1:30:24
  Yeah, so from someone who's been who spent time on the fan side
• 1:30:29
  and now working on being the utility man on the other side of
• 1:30:32
  the fence. Now, what do you think is a big
• 1:30:34
  the biggest misconception race fans might have about working on
• 1:30:37
  the other side or what happens on the other side of the fence
• 1:30:40
  or in the tower, whatever it may be?
• 1:30:42
  The calls, Oh my goodness, you know, wearing a headset all day,
• 1:30:47
  whether that's, you know, we need security here or, you know,
• 1:30:50
  we're just we're talking as a team to make a decision for
• 1:30:55
  something that happened on the track.
• 1:30:57
  In the fan side, you don't hear the radio chatter.
• 1:31:00
  I mean, so you can't really see our points of views.
• 1:31:05
  Like, you know, I don't really want to give some examples, but
• 1:31:08
  like, for example, if Joe Blow spun out Timmy going into one,
• 1:31:14
  all right, a lot of people may say Timmy had it coming and that
• 1:31:17
  he deserved it and he should be at the tail.
• 1:31:20
  Some people should say no, Joe Blow was in the wrong.
• 1:31:24
  Well, we can we connect as a team, whichever track I'm at,
• 1:31:28
  Plymouth, South Bend, M40, we talk over the radio and then we
• 1:31:34
  make a call as a team and then we all stand behind that call.
• 1:31:38
  And that's the big thing, you know, because I cannot tell you
• 1:31:42
  how many times I've ended a work night at Plymouth or M40.
• 1:31:47
  Hey, what happened with that call?
• 1:31:50
  Well, this was our point of view and this is what we made the
• 1:31:54
  decision on. You know, I, I see that now.
• 1:31:57
  OK, cool. Or they'd be like, well, I don't
• 1:31:59
  think that was the right call. That's fine, that's your
• 1:32:02
  opinion. But you know what, There's a
• 1:32:04
  bunch of eyes on the track that have many different points of
• 1:32:07
  views. We take everybody's opinion into
• 1:32:10
  consideration and then we make the call.
• 1:32:12
  I mean, it's sometimes we're in the wrong, sometimes we make a
• 1:32:16
  bad call, but 90% of the time, I promise you it's going to be a
• 1:32:19
  good call. I had a headset on yesterday at
• 1:32:23
  Slinger and because I've been asking learn how to be a race
• 1:32:27
  director too, because I'm like, and I've had sometimes I get,
• 1:32:30
  you know, a lot of Oh yeah, yeah.
• 1:32:32
  And then it doesn't happen, right.
• 1:32:33
  And so sometimes is that gets frustrating where it's like, you
• 1:32:36
  know, I'm willing to learn, like I'm willing.
• 1:32:40
  And so we had a situation at early in the national compact
• 1:32:48
  race that, you know, I knew from the drivers meeting what the
• 1:32:51
  rule was because I always tell Drew Jack and I tell there's
• 1:32:53
  people. I used to be the dumb fan.
• 1:32:55
  I used to be the one that would say they took my heat races
• 1:32:58
  away, you know, like, you know, all these things.
• 1:33:00
  For now I'm like, God help me, can we get rid of heat races?
• 1:33:03
  But on the other side where now I get it like, Oh yeah, the junk
• 1:33:07
  is getting all torn up, you know, like we're wrecking stuff
• 1:33:10
  for 20 bucks and heat racer, you know, yesterday we had a few
• 1:33:13
  close calls were $0.00 on the line and almost.
• 1:33:16
  For. $0.00 There's a call and so they have spinners spinning.
• 1:33:23
  And so I'm kind of like, well, you know, I've always wanted to
• 1:33:27
  know in this and Andrew and I were having a debriefing before
• 1:33:29
  we got onto the show where I said, OK, I understand a
• 1:33:32
  happened that caused BB cause C, which is what else we brought up
• 1:33:38
  caution. So I said in that case, you
• 1:33:40
  know, would you send like the one car back only 'cause, you
• 1:33:43
  know, clear cut, you know, although from his angle he
• 1:33:47
  didn't see that it was a flagstand call, ultimately flex
• 1:33:51
  and the flagger had a better angle than what Jude did.
• 1:33:53
  And so, you know, the Jude, the flagstand called it.
• 1:33:56
  And so I said I understood both ways.
• 1:33:58
  Like I understood why both cars went to the tail.
• 1:34:01
  But I'm like, at what point? And he said that's kind of
• 1:34:04
  sometimes that's like a gut call, right?
• 1:34:05
  Like you got to kind of go with your gut and, and Gary Howe used
• 1:34:09
  to say, you know, if you get like 70% of your things right on
• 1:34:12
  a night, because you're going to sell a hot dog, you can sell 100
• 1:34:15
  hot dogs, but one hot dog is going to be cold, right?
• 1:34:19
  And he and he said it's that it's, you're going to hear about
• 1:34:21
  the cold hot dog. You're not going to hear about
• 1:34:23
  the 99 hot dogs that you sold that were perfect, right?
• 1:34:25
  You're going to get the one out of 100.
• 1:34:28
  That's the one that you're going to hear about.
• 1:34:30
  And so I think that's something that, you know, even having the
• 1:34:33
  headset on yesterday, hearing receiver hearing, I wasn't on
• 1:34:36
  the other channel hear all that, but but that's where, you know,
• 1:34:40
  I asked him a lot of questions today and picked his brain on
• 1:34:43
  like different scenarios or different situations.
• 1:34:45
  And so I, I, I have learned so much on this side that I always
• 1:34:50
  tell people until you're on that other side, I, it's a whole
• 1:34:53
  different world, right? And so again, and I always tell
• 1:34:57
  people I was the dumb race fan, You know, I was the race fan who
• 1:35:00
  probably thought of a lot of things that nowadays I'm like,
• 1:35:04
  oh, if I could go back and hit myself with this steel chair, I
• 1:35:06
  probably would. And you know, because I didn't
• 1:35:09
  know, right? I've learned so much on the side
• 1:35:12
  purse where all that comes from and that sponsor money doesn't
• 1:35:15
  actually really like, like if you're a sponsor of a class,
• 1:35:19
  you're not covering stuff that night, like your first food
• 1:35:22
  order of the season. And that's about it.
• 1:35:25
  And, you know, and I think a lot of times people have a whole
• 1:35:28
  different philosophy of what it is, you know, because back in
• 1:35:30
  the day, well, you know, you wouldn't run a race unless you
• 1:35:33
  could cover the purse. Well, you need fans in the
• 1:35:35
  standstill to cover the purse, you know, And Tony Eldridge
• 1:35:38
  always does a nice little post usually once a year about this
• 1:35:40
  is the math people. So This is why we need 1600 fans
• 1:35:44
  in the stands for this race. Or if we have this race, we need
• 1:35:49
  2300 fans in the stands or we need this many people in the pit
• 1:35:53
  area and this but you know, like it needs to math and that you
• 1:35:57
  might get a sponsor who's like here's $5000, but you got all
• 1:36:01
  these employees to cover. You got insurance to cover.
• 1:36:04
  So I think that's definitely one thing that even hearing you talk
• 1:36:06
  about like having a headset on and calls, I mean, there's still
• 1:36:09
  times that I, I don't always understand it.
• 1:36:11
  And I, and I'm right back to race director and I will ask
• 1:36:14
  like, what did you see? You know, because what I saw and
• 1:36:16
  what they saw, even though we're in the same vantage point or
• 1:36:19
  close to, they might have seen the start and I just saw the
• 1:36:23
  end. I saw like the second part of
• 1:36:25
  the initial. So it's definitely one thing
• 1:36:29
  that I've learned to appreciate on this side is that, you know,
• 1:36:32
  when, when drivers will come to me.
• 1:36:34
  I'm like, that's one, it's above my pay grade.
• 1:36:37
  But two, it's like, well, you know, this is what was seen, you
• 1:36:40
  know, and this is how it was seen.
• 1:36:42
  And so we may not have seen you, you know, playing Footsie on the
• 1:36:46
  back stretch. We saw you kissing on the front
• 1:36:48
  stretch. So you know no difference.
• 1:36:52
  No, yeah, I definitely agree with you on that.
• 1:36:54
  You know, actually you you bring up Tony Eldridge.
• 1:37:02
  I, I give a lot of props to Tony Eldridge.
• 1:37:07
  He put up with a lot of my dumb questions throughout the South
• 1:37:10
  Bend years and into the Plymouth years.
• 1:37:15
  And but I have mad respect for him.
• 1:37:17
  Like in a way, especially like if I get the chance to announce,
• 1:37:22
  I always try and generate my inner Tony because growing up as
• 1:37:28
  a kid and he was announcer at New Paris, he had a catch
• 1:37:31
  phrase, Holy son of a monkey. Love that.
• 1:37:35
  Still remember it to this day. I, you know, a couple weeks
• 1:37:41
  earlier this season, I do believe, or maybe it was last
• 1:37:43
  year, Tony was announcing for the mini wedges at Plymouth and
• 1:37:51
  his wife sent me a little video because we were just talking the
• 1:37:54
  day before or maybe it was the week before about how much
• 1:38:00
  positive memories of growing up and hearing that brought me joy.
• 1:38:05
  And I always said, if I ever get the chance to announce again and
• 1:38:09
  he gives me permission, I would love to say that catch phrase
• 1:38:12
  just one time on the mic as like a shout out to him because he's
• 1:38:16
  one of the many people that helped shape me and help me
• 1:38:22
  become this type of person than I am for the racing community.
• 1:38:25
  And so if he if he is watching this by chance, you know, shout
• 1:38:29
  out to him. Thank you for being patient with
• 1:38:31
  me. I mean, there was some pretty
• 1:38:33
  stupid questions in there, I promise.
• 1:38:36
  But he, he helped me understand, you know, there was some moments
• 1:38:42
  at Plymouth or even South Bend in those earlier days where I
• 1:38:46
  talked a little too much on the radio.
• 1:38:49
  But I, I wanted to learn and it, it was always, I finally got to
• 1:38:55
  the point to where I just was like, all right, let's hear them
• 1:38:59
  talk. Let's hear it.
• 1:39:01
  And then I tried quizzing myself before they make the call.
• 1:39:05
  I would tell myself internally, OK, this is what I see and to
• 1:39:09
  see if I was right. And sure enough, that's one of
• 1:39:11
  the ways how I managed to stop looking like this and started
• 1:39:16
  looking like this so I could see the bigger picture.
• 1:39:19
  Lisa Harts, she was our race director at South Bend for a
• 1:39:22
  long time. And her husband, Aaron Harts,
• 1:39:25
  who was a driver and also worked alongside the racetrack, she was
• 1:39:31
  a big help as well. She was very patient with me as
• 1:39:34
  well. And so shout out to both of
• 1:39:37
  them. And, and there's so many people
• 1:39:39
  I can name, but shout out to all those people that helped make me
• 1:39:43
  this person. So yeah.
• 1:39:47
  Well, Tony, one time he was doing, they were drying the
• 1:39:50
  track and I said, I don't know that anyone can make track
• 1:39:53
  drying sound like the most exciting thing you've ever seen
• 1:39:55
  in your, I'm sure if there was an Ant race.
• 1:40:00
  And they were racing and Tony got a chance to call it.
• 1:40:02
  It would probably seem like you would just, you would start
• 1:40:05
  cheering on one of those ants. And so that's something that,
• 1:40:09
  again, I know a lot of people could say a lot of things about
• 1:40:11
  a lot of people, right? And but that's one thing I
• 1:40:15
  always say, you know, no matter what you think of somebody, you
• 1:40:18
  know, you always got to give the respect for respect is earned.
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  And from a flagging standpoint, announcing standpoint, promoting
• 1:40:25
  standpoint, there's just so many things that you can line up
• 1:40:28
  where you like. You have to give props from
• 1:40:29
  props as you no matter what your personal opinion of them is,
• 1:40:33
  because earns that right. And so when it comes to
• 1:40:36
  announcing, you know, if there's a school of Tony Aldridge, I
• 1:40:39
  think a lot of people would sign up for that, right?
• 1:40:41
  Just like I know Buju pulls from from past to, you know, the flip
• 1:40:47
  your mix and all the things right, like warning or do the
• 1:40:51
  same phrases. So you can kind of tell there's
• 1:40:53
  their tutelage that, you know, people they've heard announced
• 1:40:56
  in the past. And so I think it's one of those
• 1:40:58
  things that right, like you got to get props for props is due
• 1:41:01
  and that's something that obviously, I mean, I just I've
• 1:41:04
  heard some people say, Oh, he's you know, he's crappy at
• 1:41:07
  announced. He went on What?
• 1:41:09
  Planet are you on? Listen, me and Tony Elder, me
• 1:41:13
  and Tony Elder certainly had our differences.
• 1:41:14
  And there's things you can say about Tony.
• 1:41:16
  If you wanted to, you could not say that man's not the great
• 1:41:18
  announcer if not the best announcer.
• 1:41:20
  Tony's I couldn't believe it. I'm like, dude, I don't know
• 1:41:24
  what you consider great then, because I need to hear that.
• 1:41:29
  I need to hear what your benchmark is, because I, again,
• 1:41:32
  he made track drying sound like it was the most exciting thing
• 1:41:36
  ever in your entire life. And so find me somebody who can
• 1:41:41
  do that and then we'll talk, you know?
• 1:41:44
  And so. So again, I know you've
• 1:41:45
  mentioned him as one of your mentors in the past too and
• 1:41:48
  everything. So so let's kind of dive into
• 1:41:52
  Russell's a little bit and time on Saturday.
• 1:41:55
  You know, what is it there to kind of go with Buju's question
• 1:41:59
  and Buju, if you have more questions.
• 1:42:00
  I mean, just like say that, but but I want to dive off of what
• 1:42:05
  you said about what are tracks doing right, because we all I
• 1:42:08
  mean, we've even said the beginning, like Taylor isn't on
• 1:42:10
  social media, so he gets to miss a lot of stuff, especially
• 1:42:14
  Sunday mornings. But but that's something.
• 1:42:16
  What do you think Russell's? What do you think the magic of
• 1:42:20
  greeting it is there or many magic ingredients, because maybe
• 1:42:23
  there's not just one. You know, what is it that you
• 1:42:25
  think is making Russell's stand out so differently and not
• 1:42:29
  specific tracks others, but just in general, Like what are they
• 1:42:32
  doing that just seems to be hitting on all cylinders?
• 1:42:36
  You know, there's a lot. I mean, everybody's doing great
• 1:42:41
  things, but the big thing is no matter who you see, whether it's
• 1:42:46
  John, Penny, Megan, you know, Frank, Sarah, Drew, myself,
• 1:42:52
  Marky and the flag stand, we all show up.
• 1:42:55
  We respect one another. We respect our drivers no matter
• 1:42:59
  how much they can just frustrate us sometimes we respect them and
• 1:43:03
  we we kill them with kindness. Oh my goodness, we love racing.
• 1:43:07
  Each one of us love racing so much.
• 1:43:10
  I mean, Bill, he, he's arguably one of the most decorated short
• 1:43:16
  track racers in the area. And then John is a good racer
• 1:43:20
  himself and then everybody has great racing experience that we
• 1:43:25
  look forward to showing up every week and making memories and we
• 1:43:30
  try and pass on that positivity to our fans, drivers.
• 1:43:35
  I mean, I, I always said, if you see me without a smile on my
• 1:43:39
  face, something must have big happened.
• 1:43:43
  But you know what? I, I haven't been that person in
• 1:43:45
  a long time. You know, I try and kill
• 1:43:47
  everybody with kindness per SE. And you could be so upset
• 1:43:52
  because you just, you know, broke your front clip and you're
• 1:43:55
  done for the season. Hey, man, let's talk like I just
• 1:44:00
  we're, we're super nice. We're, we're doing what's right
• 1:44:03
  for the sport. We, we, we just try to do.
• 1:44:08
  We listen to our drivers, we listen to our fans, we try and
• 1:44:12
  find a compromise to meet in the middle.
• 1:44:15
  And I think that's the big that big next step.
• 1:44:19
  I mean, whether you're going into the tire barn to see Bill
• 1:44:22
  or you're coming to see me for whatever the situation is or you
• 1:44:26
  could be going up. Mark, he's not in the flag stand
• 1:44:29
  and we're talking about rock concerts.
• 1:44:31
  I mean, it's it's a family atmosphere.
• 1:44:34
  And even though we're not bloodline related, they're my
• 1:44:38
  family. I mean, if they asked me to go
• 1:44:41
  on vacation with them, where are we going?
• 1:44:43
  Like I'm ready, Like let's go. It's, it's, it's just listening,
• 1:44:50
  having the respect for our fans and drivers.
• 1:44:54
  And the big thing is just the compromising, you know, you know
• 1:44:57
  what, yeah, you're right. Let's not do this.
• 1:44:59
  Let's do this because this is going to, you know, help benefit
• 1:45:03
  the business and the overall experience.
• 1:45:06
  So I think that's what they're doing is just the passion and
• 1:45:10
  the heart that that's the big thing is they bring a lot of
• 1:45:12
  heart to the table and a lot of people respect that.
• 1:45:20
  I guess on the lighter side of things.
• 1:45:22
  In the microphone he has something to say, so it's
• 1:45:24
  getting closer. So I'm like, that's his towels
• 1:45:28
  that he gets. Go.
• 1:45:30
  Ahead. No, no, when you get closer, I'm
• 1:45:33
  like, I know he wants to ask a question, so that's why I look
• 1:45:35
  at him. And then sometimes there's an
• 1:45:37
  awkward silence. And I'm not a big awkward
• 1:45:39
  silence person, but I always feel like there should be kind
• 1:45:42
  of something, even though that's not true.
• 1:45:44
  But I, I watch him and he gets close to the mic when I know he
• 1:45:47
  wants to get something. So he got super close.
• 1:45:48
  So I'm like, I know he's ready. I think I was just finishing
• 1:45:51
  there, but I can go if you if you eliminate your track.
• 1:45:53
  So at Plymouth, South Bend and M40, if you can go watch it.
• 1:45:57
  And I've after he answers this question, Lewis, I found a
• 1:46:00
  surprising fact out about Taylor on Saturday.
• 1:46:02
  But if you, if you could eliminate your tracks, if you
• 1:46:05
  could go watch a race somewhere, where would it be?
• 1:46:11
  You know, I hear Slinger's a lot of fun, but boojoo, you already
• 1:46:14
  know what I'm going to say. I I got to go to Kalamazoo.
• 1:46:17
  He's never been to. Suit.
• 1:46:19
  Yeah. Oh.
• 1:46:20
  Oh yeah, that's, I mean. I I got to go like I I have to
• 1:46:25
  go. Plymouth's running down on
• 1:46:27
  Fridays, Taylor, so your time to go to Kalamazoo is coming up
• 1:46:30
  soon. I'll drag you up there myself if
• 1:46:31
  I have to. You got to go.
• 1:46:33
  Make the trip to Portage IN. I'm ready.
• 1:46:36
  I'll meet you halfway and then we'll go there.
• 1:46:37
  We. Go.
• 1:46:40
  You're thinking Super Shoe if you haven't been Michigan cop.
• 1:46:45
  Michigan, Yeah, at Springport. So is.
• 1:46:48
  Oh yes. So here's the way that I explain
• 1:46:51
  it. I'm a I'm Eileen, Michigan cop.
• 1:46:55
  I handle Super Shoe. Super Shoe is a party that has
• 1:46:58
  racing. OK up is racing that has family
• 1:47:03
  time, you know, So that's how I relate.
• 1:47:05
  They're both great racing, don't get me wrong, but the Super Shoe
• 1:47:09
  experience is almost like going to Las Vegas and.
• 1:47:14
  Been there a couple times you. Go to the beach to watch
• 1:47:17
  fireworks? OK, relaxing night.
• 1:47:20
  Watch a few things go boom in the sky.
• 1:47:22
  Right? Like so Michigan.
• 1:47:24
  Have a couple drinks. Maybe maybe you know, I don't
• 1:47:28
  get hit by golf carts or see golf or demolition.
• 1:47:33
  So I prefer the chill of Michigan Cup, but I don't mind
• 1:47:38
  super shoe. But it's just, it's a very
• 1:47:40
  different environment. But the racing's great.
• 1:47:43
  You get, you know, with Donnie in charge, we had the highest
• 1:47:47
  number last year in a long time at Super Shoe, which rivaled
• 1:47:51
  what Michigan Cup was doing. Michigan Cup a couple years beat
• 1:47:55
  everybody in the state of Michigan.
• 1:47:56
  Not last year. Last year's a different Michigan
• 1:47:59
  Cup vibe under different leadership.
• 1:48:01
  But this year the Ritter's will have it back.
• 1:48:03
  And so hoping that it gets close.
• 1:48:06
  I mean, I think they're going to probably need to, you know,
• 1:48:08
  another year to just really get ready.
• 1:48:09
  This is their first one. But if you if you experienced
• 1:48:13
  Super Shoe, go try Michigan Cup one week later in Springport.
• 1:48:17
  Give it a shot and then report back.
• 1:48:20
  Definitely. You know, I do a lot of working
• 1:48:23
  for. Modified to spring port.
• 1:48:25
  Modified to spring port that will sell the ticket alone and
• 1:48:29
  and spring ports like this. It's not quite Slinger banking,
• 1:48:33
  but it's it's up there. It's bank.
• 1:48:36
  We, you know you, you talk about modifieds.
• 1:48:39
  I know this is a little off track, but gosh, where are the
• 1:48:43
  modifieds at Like are where are they?
• 1:48:46
  Duh. I I want to see more modified
• 1:48:50
  racing. Oh my God, I feel like there's
• 1:48:52
  really I, I, I have flow racing. So sometimes I watch the wheel
• 1:48:57
  and modified door and those are fun to watch.
• 1:49:00
  But like other than the summer Sizzler, I don't really.
• 1:49:03
  I know Angola runs them a little bit, but like, where are they?
• 1:49:07
  Like is. 2 has 55 registered right now if I remember
• 1:49:10
  correctly for which is August 8th.
• 1:49:14
  I am Friday August 8th and then they have little shoe which is
• 1:49:20
  if you've never raised hot shoe, you get to do a little shoe
• 1:49:23
  which is on Friday the 7th. Like if Kyle Larson showed up,
• 1:49:28
  Kyle Larson could race Little shoe because he's never raced
• 1:49:33
  hot shoe. And so I'm still trying to
• 1:49:36
  understand. It all this is all breaking.
• 1:49:38
  News. Oh yeah, this is a sense.
• 1:49:40
  Hot shoe was at Owosso because everybody went to Owosso, right?
• 1:49:43
  Owosso was big. Let's get the chalkboard out.
• 1:49:45
  Teach us what's happening. So, you know, when Owosso was
• 1:49:49
  all shiny and everything, everyone went to Owosso because
• 1:49:52
  they just had all the money in the world to throw at things.
• 1:49:54
  And so they could do that, right?
• 1:49:55
  They made their own outlaw series.
• 1:49:57
  They made their own this, their own that.
• 1:49:58
  They probably made their own beer at some point too, but now
• 1:50:03
  there's some pulling away and that's something against Owasso,
• 1:50:05
  right? They do a lot of incredible
• 1:50:07
  things, so this is not a knock on them.
• 1:50:08
  It's just they got everything right.
• 1:50:11
  There's only so many dates that you can do stuff right So.
• 1:50:15
  That's another track I got to go to.
• 1:50:17
  So yeah, I mean, I'm not been Owasso, but you know, we've got
• 1:50:21
  we've gotten mad on here. You know, people get so mad out
• 1:50:24
  of Wassouver things. It's like the track could be
• 1:50:25
  closed. Rex Wheeler put in millions of
• 1:50:27
  dollars that he'll never make it back.
• 1:50:30
  And so you're going to criticize that guy.
• 1:50:32
  The track could be closed. So you'll be grateful for what
• 1:50:35
  you have. But anyways, you get big shiny
• 1:50:38
  things. It's like a head coach.
• 1:50:39
  You know, you go coach at Michigan, but you can go make
• 1:50:42
  you 5 million more at Alabama and get a bigger house.
• 1:50:45
  Alabama, you're going to go to Alabama, right?
• 1:50:46
  You're just chasing money and to get bigger and better things.
• 1:50:49
  So Wasel's bigger, better things, but then people want
• 1:50:52
  more, but you're not going to get more and you can't compare
• 1:50:55
  Wasel everyone else. But anyways, so that Hashu was
• 1:50:58
  at a Wasel for the last couple years.
• 1:50:59
  It says Spring Court before that.
• 1:51:01
  So it's coming to Kalamazoo for the first time to my
• 1:51:03
  understanding is first time and that's modified.
• 1:51:06
  So then they'll have St. stocks as a support class.
• 1:51:08
  So unfortunately they're going head to head with flagger boy.
• 1:51:12
  So I already know a lot of Kalamazoo cars that we I know
• 1:51:16
  Buju, I said the same face, but they so a lot of your Kalamazoo
• 1:51:20
  cars will be going to flagger boy that I already know that I
• 1:51:23
  already know the names her going to flagger boy.
• 1:51:24
  They're not going to do hot shoe, but hot shoe is about the
• 1:51:27
  modifieds with an extra class. And so they're going to have
• 1:51:31
  modified Sarah 55 right now. But a modified country is
• 1:51:34
  Springport, Owasso, a little bit of Corrigan like you get Central
• 1:51:38
  Michigan. That's where a lot of them are
• 1:51:41
  and that's where it's kind of funny because you come down this
• 1:51:44
  way, it's St. Stock racing.
• 1:51:46
  You know, you go to whether that is you know, Russell's, whether
• 1:51:50
  that is Kalamazoo, you know, whether it is new Paris,
• 1:51:53
  wherever, right? You like you get a lot you down
• 1:51:55
  here strong St. Stock racing where Central
• 1:51:59
  Michigan, the street stock racing I wouldn't consider very
• 1:52:02
  strong. Corgan had caught them because
• 1:52:03
  there was no St. Stocks.
• 1:52:05
  Springport would average 8 to 10 St. stocks bigger shows.
• 1:52:12
  They bring in outsiders, you know, so then you'd have like
• 1:52:16
  Michigan couple have C features for street socks, but on a
• 1:52:20
  normal night, you know, comfortably in the A feature and
• 1:52:23
  but modifieds you get those modifieds on that track.
• 1:52:29
  It's an experience. It is the only similar
• 1:52:32
  experience that I can compare to Springport modifieds is
• 1:52:35
  Lorraine. Ohio is watching this, watching
• 1:52:38
  them come off the backstretch at Lorraine.
• 1:52:40
  And I think if M40 ever did ever did modifieds, I think that
• 1:52:45
  would be a close. I know Bill talked about they've
• 1:52:49
  talked about modifieds at times, but I think I think you know,
• 1:52:52
  and they do well at Kalamazoo too.
• 1:52:54
  But if I were to compare modified racing to, you know,
• 1:52:57
  Springport and Kalamazoo, I would rather watch modifieds at
• 1:53:00
  Springport where I would rather watch St.
• 1:53:02
  Stocks at Kalamazoo, right? Like class by class, you know,
• 1:53:05
  you kind of go, which would I rather watch at?
• 1:53:07
  That doesn't mean I don't love them at Kalamazoo, that is, or
• 1:53:09
  like it just means if I had the preference and I had to pick a
• 1:53:14
  coin side, that's the way that I would lean.
• 1:53:16
  But that's where a lot of your modifieds are.
• 1:53:18
  That's modified country up there.
• 1:53:19
  So Wasso gets 30 some cars, you know, even for a normal paying
• 1:53:23
  night this Friday we this is one of the events that we borrowed
• 1:53:27
  from New Paris. So new Paris has the V8 classic
• 1:53:30
  V8 special. So this Friday they're doing AV
• 1:53:35
  8 classic V8 special. So I know modifieds.
• 1:53:37
  I was trying to get Matthew also junior on here, but he's doing
• 1:53:41
  an eye racing thing. But he's racing and modified.
• 1:53:43
  But we have modifieds late models.
• 1:53:46
  I think St. stocks, Tina can correct me, but I know she was
• 1:53:49
  commenting at the same time. That's where I was also going.
• 1:53:51
  But but we're we'll have a lot because this is a hot shoe.
• 1:53:54
  Kind of this is the last chance for driver modified drivers to
• 1:53:57
  get on the track and practice. And we had an awesome a feature
• 1:54:01
  a few weeks ago. I mean, they were that's
• 1:54:03
  probably the best modified race that I have seen at Kalamazoo
• 1:54:05
  was a few weeks ago. And but man, you watch them at
• 1:54:09
  Springport just with the banking and everything and it's wide
• 1:54:13
  open and you're in the middle of 70 acres and there's.
• 1:54:16
  Just. Cows and goats and chickens
• 1:54:19
  around you. I mean, there's nothing around
• 1:54:21
  you at Springport. It's literally just farm field
• 1:54:25
  fun. So if you but I know we were
• 1:54:27
  talking about Super Shoe in the Michigan Cup, but then you
• 1:54:30
  brought up modifieds. But that yeah, that's that's
• 1:54:32
  modified countries, Central Michigan and probably Angola.
• 1:54:35
  Angola had what, 40 some a few weeks.
• 1:54:37
  I know they go down that way, but.
• 1:54:41
  I don't know if they dip into Ohio and stuff out that way or
• 1:54:43
  not, but yeah the the modifieds do miss our area.
• 1:54:46
  A lot of the times it seems to better unfortunately.
• 1:54:48
  Kind of up and around, although Nucleus does a pretty nice shot
• 1:54:51
  with modifieds. We've got a couple of drivers to
• 1:54:54
  come out. But yeah, 55 modifieds so far on
• 1:54:58
  the list. So over for hot Shoe, which is
• 1:55:01
  again, it's it's unfortunate that they're going head to head
• 1:55:04
  with with Flagger Boy 'cause that's going to split a lot of
• 1:55:08
  people. And I was, I was not a big fan
• 1:55:12
  when I heard St. socks would be racing.
• 1:55:14
  But Donnie had a fairpoint as did you Jack like, but it might
• 1:55:18
  get someone who doesn't usually went on a Friday night or
• 1:55:21
  whatever in a street stock, you know, a chance because a lot of
• 1:55:25
  the heavy hitters, I get it, booze you but plain and like
• 1:55:29
  that. But flagger boy, you know, but
• 1:55:33
  in fairness, the people who run hot shoe wouldn't probably even
• 1:55:35
  know flagger boy. So, you know, they're not
• 1:55:38
  affected in that way. So but I'm like of all things
• 1:55:42
  flagger boy. But but but yeah, so that So if
• 1:55:47
  you're not doing anything that weekend modify tech Kalamazoo
• 1:55:52
  hot shoe. Before we let you go, before we
• 1:55:54
  let you go, Taylor, it seems like we have to talk about
• 1:55:56
  bowling. Seems like bowling's a pretty
• 1:55:57
  big part of your life. So.
• 1:55:59
  So yeah, you mentioned that being you're as almost as
• 1:56:03
  passionate about that as you are short track racing.
• 1:56:05
  So what does bowling mean to you, Taylor?
• 1:56:08
  So bowling's a lot. Not too many people know this.
• 1:56:11
  In high school, I was an Indiana All Star.
• 1:56:15
  I, I have a sportsmanship award from high school bowling and
• 1:56:21
  then going into college, I was an All American in 2021.
• 1:56:25
  What else? I lost track of how many three
• 1:56:29
  hundreds I've had. I couldn't get them in high
• 1:56:32
  school. I had one.
• 1:56:34
  And then I go to college and then I just start lighting them
• 1:56:36
  up, which is great, but I'm assuming that's where I did a
• 1:56:39
  lot of my maturing. But bowling is a big part of my
• 1:56:43
  life. Bowling has allowed me to see 26
• 1:56:46
  states. So I've traveled to 26 different
• 1:56:50
  states, mainly on the East Coast, a couple on the West
• 1:56:53
  Coast. I've gone.
• 1:56:54
  I mean, majority of the states that I've been to have been east
• 1:56:57
  of the Mississippi. I have traveled West of the
• 1:57:01
  Mississippi like Missouri, Iowa, Nevada.
• 1:57:05
  Actually just the in 2020, April of 2025, I, me and my college
• 1:57:14
  team qualified for ITC Nationals, which is called the
• 1:57:18
  Intercollegiate team championship.
• 1:57:20
  And we went to Las Vegas and bowled in the stadium.
• 1:57:23
  That was awesome. So what's another one?
• 1:57:29
  Bowling is just a big part of my life.
• 1:57:31
  When I'm not at a racetrack, I'm at a bowling singer.
• 1:57:34
  If I'm not at neither, don't bother me because I'm sleeping
• 1:57:36
  at home. So, but yeah, bowling is a big
• 1:57:41
  part of my life. I actually just two weeks ago, I
• 1:57:44
  was at something called Bowl Expo in Nashville, TN and I went
• 1:57:48
  there with the business that I work for of Olympia Lanes.
• 1:57:52
  They own 2 bowling centers, one in Hammond, one in Michigan
• 1:57:56
  City. I run the pro shop in Michigan
• 1:57:58
  City as well, doing some other things.
• 1:58:01
  So my boss was able to take a lot of his higher ups and some
• 1:58:06
  of their spouses and we went to Nashville and had a great
• 1:58:10
  experience. Got to go to Bucky's for the
• 1:58:12
  first time. That was awesome.
• 1:58:14
  I got this nice little button up.
• 1:58:16
  I'm gonna wear it to the track one day, but that different
• 1:58:18
  story. I've had the chance to go there
• 1:58:21
  and see some of the the greats in the bowling industry, like EJ
• 1:58:25
  Tackett, who's arguably one been one of the hottest players in
• 1:58:29
  the world these last couple of years.
• 1:58:31
  Got to see him, Sean Rash, Parker Bond, the third, a whole
• 1:58:35
  bunch of big bowling names and just got to make friendships.
• 1:58:40
  And I sat in on some pro shop seminars so that I can be a
• 1:58:43
  better pro shop operator. So yeah, but bowling.
• 1:58:47
  Bowling has taken me places I never thought I would go.
• 1:58:51
  You know, before I graduated high school, I've only been to
• 1:58:55
  four states, Indiana, Kentucky, Ohio and Michigan.
• 1:59:02
  And then after I go into college and then go to school for five
• 1:59:07
  years because I had a COVID year, so I got one year of
• 1:59:10
  eligibility back. So I furthered my education at
• 1:59:14
  Calumet College. It has taken me all over.
• 1:59:18
  Oh, my Lord has it taken me all over.
• 1:59:21
  I mean, every state I've gone to.
• 1:59:23
  I never had a suitcase packed for vacation.
• 1:59:27
  I had my bowling balls and I was competing at the collegiate
• 1:59:31
  level. So yeah.
• 1:59:33
  So one thing not too many people know about me is bowling is a
• 1:59:36
  big part of my life, just like racing.
• 1:59:38
  And it has taken me just as far as racing has and given me just
• 1:59:43
  as much memories as well. Have you snuck into a bowling
• 1:59:48
  alley? No, no, I I will say one thing.
• 1:59:54
  There is a tournament in Indianapolis called the Hoosier,
• 1:59:58
  and it's the biggest Tier 1 collegiate tournament in
• 2:00:02
  America. It's one of the last tournaments
• 2:00:05
  before postseason and there's a lot of stuff on the line.
• 2:00:09
  Your big schools are going to be there.
• 2:00:12
  So like Cal, you met. I always refer to as like the
• 2:00:15
  Notre Dame of collegiate bowling.
• 2:00:18
  We can always get to the big show and then we kind of shit
• 2:00:21
  the bed. But I'm a big Notre Dame fan.
• 2:00:25
  And all right, I'll let it go. Sorry, but no, it's college.
• 2:00:35
  Hoosier is always a lot of fun and one time when we were going,
• 2:00:41
  I lost my ID badge. So there's an athletic entrance
• 2:00:45
  where all the bowlers and coaches come in, and then
• 2:00:47
  there's the main entrance where your parents, your spectators,
• 2:00:51
  that's where they go buy a ticket if they haven't bought
• 2:00:53
  one previously online. Well, I forgot my badge back at
• 2:00:57
  the hotel, couple my teammates go in, set their stuff down,
• 2:01:01
  grab another badge, come out back to the van, gave me their
• 2:01:05
  badge, I come back in. Now granted I didn't sneak in.
• 2:01:09
  I was on the roster, but I kind of goofed.
• 2:01:17
  It it happens, but there's actually, I don't think a lot of
• 2:01:19
  people understand too. Like you talk about bowling,
• 2:01:21
  your passion, there's a lot of people in the racing world who
• 2:01:23
  are also bowlers like I think. There's a lot of crossover.
• 2:01:27
  Yeah, you know, he's a limited late model racer and a template.
• 2:01:31
  Kalamazoo, he does bowling. He went to Reno a few weeks ago.
• 2:01:34
  One of the modified drivers, Cody Hall, he does.
• 2:01:37
  He's been a flag man at Springport before, but races and
• 2:01:40
  modifieds help with all that. He's a collegiate bowler and.
• 2:01:44
  Has really. So, so there's a lot of
• 2:01:46
  crossover with bowling and racing that I've noticed there's
• 2:01:49
  quite a few people who I know are some parents coach bowling
• 2:01:54
  right. And, and so, so it's one of
• 2:01:56
  those that there's a, there's quite a few people who get into
• 2:01:59
  the bowling And I, I used to be a bowler way back when we lived
• 2:02:02
  in Chicago. They had leaked all over and I
• 2:02:04
  was pretty good back then. But then it's kind of like once
• 2:02:06
  you get out of it, I was. The same way, right?
• 2:02:10
  We played in leagues when I was a kid and I was pretty decent
• 2:02:13
  then, but I'm the worst bowler on the planet.
• 2:02:16
  I don't have the skills that I did when I was little, but but
• 2:02:19
  that's something in Chicago there was so many opportunities
• 2:02:22
  for bowling league wherever you went.
• 2:02:24
  And so as you move other places, those some of those same
• 2:02:28
  opportunities don't exist, right or you got to go a little bit
• 2:02:32
  further for them, but. Yeah, I literally right around
• 2:02:34
  the corner for me is where I grew up bowling Beacon Bowl and
• 2:02:37
  that's been. Gone for.
• 2:02:38
  Yeah, that's gone years now. Yeah.
• 2:02:40
  That was the Chippewa Home Center, you know, Yeah.
• 2:02:42
  When Ron Verash talks about his racing history, I kind of do the
• 2:02:47
  same thing with. The bowling, yeah.
• 2:02:50
  You guys got a moment? I can tell you one quick story.
• 2:02:53
  All right. So did you know back during the
• 2:02:56
  prohibition bowling was never 10 pins and the triangle that you
• 2:03:00
  see them now as how the pins are set up, it was originally called
• 2:03:04
  9 pin bowling. So back in the prohibition,
• 2:03:08
  these guys would get their checks from unions, steel mills,
• 2:03:11
  whatever. They go to the bar and they
• 2:03:13
  gamble their whole check bowling.
• 2:03:16
  Well, they ended up making bowling illegal because it was a
• 2:03:20
  form of gambling. So to get around that, they
• 2:03:23
  added the 10th pin and made it into the triangular format that
• 2:03:28
  you see today. That's why technically there's
• 2:03:31
  many different forms of bowling, candle pin bowling, duck pin
• 2:03:34
  bowling. If you look up the correct term
• 2:03:37
  for my bowling, it's called 10 pin bowling and that's the
• 2:03:40
  reason why we call it 10 pin bowling.
• 2:03:42
  So just a little quick story. There, I appreciate that.
• 2:03:45
  That was cool. That's the.
• 2:03:45
  Stuff I like right there. I did not know that.
• 2:03:49
  There you go. And I like prohibition stuff
• 2:03:52
  like that era. I'm a history nerd.
• 2:03:53
  I know Bougie is a history nerd. So in fact, when I, you know,
• 2:03:56
  when I usually when I get off here, I go binge watch the Tom
• 2:04:00
  Hanks World War 2 stuff that's going on and it's on Hulu.
• 2:04:04
  You know, I haven't recorded all that, but you know, I like
• 2:04:08
  watching that kind of stuff. I mean, I'm, I'm watching
• 2:04:10
  History Channel things all the time, but I, they don't have
• 2:04:13
  things like that for bowling or I haven't found it yet, you
• 2:04:16
  know, but they do have like sports kind of things like.
• 2:04:20
  There's the P Weber documentary. You can watch that.
• 2:04:23
  That's a. Lot of fun.
• 2:04:25
  But yeah, so that's pretty cool. See how 10 Pen came in and
• 2:04:29
  that's where if you come to super Shoot, you'll have to try
• 2:04:31
  our bowling. Yeah, there you go.
• 2:04:33
  You take a bowling ball and you see if you can get it around the
• 2:04:37
  track the furthest you roll it. And I had so one of my bowling
• 2:04:41
  videos. I didn't get any last year
• 2:04:43
  because I was in the sling. I fell really hard on the track,
• 2:04:45
  and not because I was drunk or anything, but because I was
• 2:04:48
  trying to save a GoPro camera. No, I wish I had a damn good I
• 2:04:53
  fell in front of all the front wheel drives.
• 2:04:54
  It couldn't be the Crown Victor. There were like kind of, I mean,
• 2:04:56
  it had to be the 200 freaking front wheel drives that ready to
• 2:04:59
  practice that I fell in front of.
• 2:05:01
  Including all the people who come with front wheel drives.
• 2:05:04
  Oh Jesus, all of them, all of them right on the front stretch,
• 2:05:07
  right there, splat on the front stretch.
• 2:05:09
  I was bloody all over. Freddy Krueger would have been
• 2:05:12
  super jealous. I ended up in a sling at some
• 2:05:14
  point because you know, the adrenaline rush that like I got
• 2:05:18
  up, get up, get up, get off this ground, get off this ground.
• 2:05:20
  Go pros are OK every OK, go put you know, I I had 15 minutes to
• 2:05:24
  mount them on the wall around the track and I tried to be a
• 2:05:27
  superhero on my scooter and I super bit it and which Andy
• 2:05:31
  Bozell told me I'd be fine and you know, everybody follows and
• 2:05:33
  all the things. So I learned one of those many
• 2:05:35
  lessons from Andy Bozell. But but that's where, Yeah, but
• 2:05:40
  we have bowling. So I didn't get any pictures
• 2:05:42
  last or videos last year. But the year before when we
• 2:05:44
  first did it, the Kenny had brought it to Super Shoe.
• 2:05:47
  It had like 5 million views. Dylan Stovall throwing a bowling
• 2:05:51
  ball. It went almost all the way
• 2:05:53
  around to our backstretch, like the second big sign on our
• 2:05:56
  backstretch. And he last year I sponsored it
• 2:06:01
  was top roll bowling and that and that they also put me in
• 2:06:04
  charge of it, which I'm like, OK, I can't pick up bowling
• 2:06:07
  balls now. I can't do any of that.
• 2:06:08
  So I luckily I had how people did feel slightly sorry for me.
• 2:06:11
  And then also like, what'd you do?
• 2:06:12
  Where do you want me to start? But anyways, roll a ball that
• 2:06:17
  had five like over 5 million views on you or on Facebook and
• 2:06:22
  Europe was the number one country you're.
• 2:06:28
  Probably thinking look at these Americans the.
• 2:06:31
  European mind can't comprehend the.
• 2:06:34
  New so the new Paris fire truck is super popular in Canada, Nova
• 2:06:38
  Scotia, Canada and British Columbia, Canada.
• 2:06:43
  That's had there's only two videos on my page that have had
• 2:06:45
  a country, not a state, a country that was the number one
• 2:06:49
  region. Facebook calls it regions was #1
• 2:06:53
  Europe for bowling at Super Shoe and then the new Paris fire
• 2:06:57
  truck in Canada for whatever reason.
• 2:07:01
  But there's a bunch of Canadian firefighters fighting over foam
• 2:07:03
  and why were we putting Don Dish soap in a fire truck and all
• 2:07:06
  these things? And I'm like, OK, they're
• 2:07:10
  literally fighting over Don Dish hope, but whatever.
• 2:07:14
  I wasn't going to stop him. And went to like 7 different
• 2:07:16
  firefighter groups. I would, I'm like, really like,
• 2:07:19
  I would have never thought. I would have thought, you know,
• 2:07:23
  school of bus, you know, race of doom school bus with pyro coming
• 2:07:27
  off of it would go like all over the place.
• 2:07:28
  Nope, fire truck and bowling. But but yeah, so so you'll have
• 2:07:33
  to try super if they do it again this year, which they probably
• 2:07:36
  will Super shoot bowling. So last year Sage Hannah's
• 2:07:42
  boyfriend ended up winning. Yep, ended up winning it.
• 2:07:46
  And there's two of them who are going back and forth.
• 2:07:48
  But in fairness, because I they put me in charge of the Super
• 2:07:53
  shoot bowling, but they didn't really give me help.
• 2:07:54
  So Cody Geyer ended up helping chase balls around the corner.
• 2:07:58
  Then Sages boyfriend was doing the same thing but then he
• 2:08:02
  didn't get the bowl and he's a bowler and he knows what he's
• 2:08:04
  doing so. And I grew up bowling youth.
• 2:08:06
  League together. So I know.
• 2:08:09
  So I convinced the everyone else who got a chance, well, I said,
• 2:08:12
  you know, in fairness, he hasn't had a chance to.
• 2:08:15
  And then he is back and forth for like 10-15 minutes.
• 2:08:19
  They were really good sports about it.
• 2:08:20
  Because again, it's about fun. I mean, again, at Super Shoe you
• 2:08:23
  go for the partying, the stories and all the things.
• 2:08:25
  And then there's racing that just so happens to be a part of
• 2:08:27
  the weekend, you know, but that's, it's those kind of
• 2:08:30
  things that were that were pretty fun about it.
• 2:08:32
  So you'll have to, if you get up to super shoot this year, that's
• 2:08:35
  usually on a that'll be on Friday night after all the heat
• 2:08:38
  races or no set Saturday, Saturday night after all the
• 2:08:41
  heat races, you'll have to try the Super shoot bowling because
• 2:08:44
  that all right, that'll be fun. It was like $3 a ball I think it
• 2:08:48
  was, or $2.00 a ball, I don't remember.
• 2:08:51
  Real quick to connect racing and bowling.
• 2:08:53
  Since you brought up Kane, I don't know if you knew this, but
• 2:08:55
  he has a twin sister, her dad. Well, their dad is a big Casey
• 2:09:01
  Kane fan and his sister's name is Casey.
• 2:09:04
  So, Casey? And Kane.
• 2:09:06
  Yeah. That's pretty awesome.
• 2:09:08
  Yeah. So, yeah, See, like I said, I
• 2:09:11
  grew up bowling with them too, and at Country Club and so,
• 2:09:15
  yeah, in Elkhart. So yeah, it's, yeah, a little
• 2:09:18
  fun, little insight actually. We got to race not this past
• 2:09:22
  weekend, but the weekend before. Kane got out in his car and
• 2:09:25
  everything and got to race that new pair.
• 2:09:26
  So that was true fun for him to do because he hasn't been in the
• 2:09:30
  car in a while, you know, before that.
• 2:09:32
  So and and the last time he was in the car, he got kind of got
• 2:09:35
  beat up a little bit. So he was a little worried about
• 2:09:38
  getting in the car and everything, but he he held his
• 2:09:40
  own and did all that. So by the ways, I mean, Cain's
• 2:09:42
  at, he's at New Paris, anywhere the Hannahs are, he's.
• 2:09:45
  Generally. So, but yeah, he got to race.
• 2:09:48
  So he not only got to work, but he got to race too.
• 2:09:51
  So, but yeah, so that was fun 'cause I talked to him before,
• 2:09:56
  he said, So what do you think? And then afterwards, what do you
• 2:09:58
  think, you know, oh, that's more reason to get back in the car
• 2:10:01
  more often. So.
• 2:10:02
  And he already paid for a pit pass.
• 2:10:04
  So bring a car with same price, literally same price, yeah.
• 2:10:08
  You get some money back at the end of the night, you bring a
• 2:10:10
  race. Car yeah, don't bring anything
• 2:10:12
  there's tires, all these things there's.
• 2:10:16
  AI know Lewis? I was actually at Springport or
• 2:10:20
  not Springport and Singer was telling me, I won't say the
• 2:10:23
  driver, but they're telling me the tires, $1200 for their
• 2:10:26
  tires. I went, I fell over.
• 2:10:29
  I'm like, wait, what? So I'm like, oh, that that's a
• 2:10:34
  lot. So for especially for an Outlaw
• 2:10:36
  front wheel drive, basically that's what they are because
• 2:10:39
  that was an Outlaw front wheel drive Outlaw.
• 2:10:40
  Compact, yeah. Yep.
• 2:10:42
  But but yeah, that was 12-12 hundred.
• 2:10:46
  I went, oh, I'm in the wrong business, but but yeah.
• 2:10:53
  So anyways, I know we kept you a little bit past, but I know we
• 2:10:55
  started late. So you know, if everyone
• 2:10:57
  joining, just to remind, I know you see Taylor's on the screen,
• 2:11:00
  but if you missed our earlier conversation, once we got
• 2:11:02
  through all the technical difficulties and everything, we
• 2:11:04
  did have Wayne Bunn from Hartford St.
• 2:11:06
  Way. So once we're done on the line,
• 2:11:08
  you can certainly go back. I do have to catch up on
• 2:11:10
  Spotify, actually. Dalton Irish, I was talking with
• 2:11:13
  him yesterday and then we've been talking with Taylor Haynes
• 2:11:16
  from N 42. But I was talking with Dalton
• 2:11:18
  yesterday at Spring. Or if I say Springport, I mean
• 2:11:20
  Slinger at Slinger now I have two s s in my head, right, But
• 2:11:25
  at Slinger and he's one of our Spotify listeners.
• 2:11:27
  And so he was telling me, you know, when he listens to it and
• 2:11:31
  everything. And so I was telling Bujo, I
• 2:11:33
  said, I don't know if I'm going to do the Thursday 1:00 just
• 2:11:35
  because by the time people by the time people watch a Thursday
• 2:11:38
  one, I might be outdated and because it's events for Friday,
• 2:11:42
  Saturday and Sunday. But you know, we do also have
• 2:11:45
  conversation on there too that we'll talk about different
• 2:11:47
  things. So they said I'll go back and
• 2:11:49
  upload all those because that was one thing I thought, well,
• 2:11:52
  it doesn't make sense to put the Thursday one on Spotify, but
• 2:11:55
  then and talk with him like I never put the Monday up there
• 2:11:57
  from last week. So I'm like, sorry Taylor, sorry
• 2:12:00
  New Paris. You know, I mean, we don't have
• 2:12:03
  tons of Spotify users right now, but I found a chart, a podcast
• 2:12:08
  chart that has like Top Motorsports Podcast and we're
• 2:12:11
  kind of going up the chart here a little.
• 2:12:14
  There we go. So if you listen on Spotify or
• 2:12:16
  anything, which is free to listen to on Spotify, even I
• 2:12:19
  think a Spotify account is free to make you give us like great
• 2:12:23
  reviews and all that or the show.
• 2:12:25
  We'll, we can continue kind of moving up the chart there.
• 2:12:28
  So we're, we were, if I, the one that I looked at and I only came
• 2:12:32
  across because of another podcast that I follow mentioned
• 2:12:35
  it, that they're on it. And so is women's Motorsports
• 2:12:38
  network. We have Melinda Russell on she's
• 2:12:39
  in the comfortably in the top 70.
• 2:12:42
  I think she's like 75 or whatever.
• 2:12:44
  She's top 100. So I looked at our numbers and
• 2:12:47
  we're we're moving up. So I'm like, nice.
• 2:12:49
  Let's keep. This going so if you watch on
• 2:12:52
  Spotify, you know definitely you know give good reviews and all
• 2:12:55
  that because that'll just keep moving us up the chart so and
• 2:12:58
  you. Don't have a on Spotify?
• 2:13:00
  You can hit the follow button as well too so you get notified
• 2:13:02
  when the new episodes are posted as.
• 2:13:04
  Soon as we get done here, boom, I'm going to do that.
• 2:13:06
  Yep, and I'll be uploading this one probably right away just so
• 2:13:09
  I don't forget about it. Although the new Paris Enduro is
• 2:13:12
  already up that was 451 laps, but few caution or few red
• 2:13:16
  flags. I'm like OK, this is going to be
• 2:13:18
  pretty easy to get through so so people can go watch that now
• 2:13:21
  that's all up all three out 3 1/2 hours I think is total video
• 2:13:25
  time. But or no, that doesn't sound
• 2:13:27
  right 3 something. But there was there was 8
• 2:13:31
  minutes of interview, like a few minutes of driver introductions.
• 2:13:35
  They did driver introductions. So when you put the whole thing
• 2:13:37
  together, it's longer than a three hour race, but plus my
• 2:13:41
  entrance is a minute so you know, it adds up and all that.
• 2:13:44
  But but again, Taylor, thank you so much for joining us.
• 2:13:48
  You know, on a Monday and you're central time.
• 2:13:51
  So you get to live a time that we've already lived.
• 2:13:53
  So with that before I forget, while you're on here, you get to
• 2:13:56
  be part of the all the show running because at the start of
• 2:13:59
  the show, Buju, we also forgot to remind everyone to throttle
• 2:14:02
  up with us on Thursday. Again, the technical
• 2:14:04
  difficulties were throwing me off because I was trying to
• 2:14:06
  manage the podcast and also get Wayne connected with us.
• 2:14:10
  But so you can throttle up with us this Thursday where we'll
• 2:14:14
  preview the upcoming weekend. Rain doesn't seem to be a big
• 2:14:16
  factor this weekend. So we'll actually have shows to
• 2:14:19
  talk about and obviously the V8 special.
• 2:14:22
  But then I know there's just a lot of different events going on
• 2:14:26
  all all over. It's autographed night at a lot
• 2:14:28
  of places, so. New Paris, That's where I'll be.
• 2:14:31
  Saturday. So you throttle up with us and
• 2:14:34
  then of course, you've been listening to the Monday Night
• 2:14:36
  Rewind presented by the National Compact Touring Series,
• 2:14:39
  Federated Auto Parts and ELH detailing.
• 2:14:42
  And with us, we've had Taylor Haynes from M40 Speedway talking
• 2:14:45
  with us. And then like I said, Wayne
• 2:14:47
  Bunn, you can go back once we're off live to to watch if you miss
• 2:14:51
  his phone and interview our first phone and interview, we
• 2:14:53
  figured out it'll work too. So other than that, Boozoo, were
• 2:14:57
  there any other questions that you had for Taylor that we
• 2:15:00
  missed out on? No, Sir, I haven't the chat all
• 2:15:03
  night's been Taylor's the main. We love Taylor.
• 2:15:05
  Taylor gets it done. So I wanted to make sure you get
• 2:15:07
  your flowers from the chat here, Taylor.
• 2:15:08
  I enjoyed this conversation quite a bit.
• 2:15:10
  I realized we've we've talked at the racetrack for 5-6 years or
• 2:15:13
  whatever it is and I don't know a lot about you.
• 2:15:15
  So I I enjoyed tonight. It was really good.
• 2:15:17
  You're a great guest. So thanks for coming on Taylor.
• 2:15:19
  That's all I hey. Thank you guys for having me, I
• 2:15:21
  loved it and this is so far like a great highlight in my life
• 2:15:26
  when it connects to racing so. Thank you.
• 2:15:29
  Well, thank you. Well, yeah, definitely let all
• 2:15:31
  your family know because I, I don't know if they shared it out
• 2:15:34
  when I post it, but I know when I did your short track
• 2:15:36
  spotlight, I'm like who's all sharing this?
• 2:15:39
  And so you know a lot of names that I don't I don't see often,
• 2:15:43
  right. But definitely let everyone know
• 2:15:44
  you're on so they can go back and watch it.
• 2:15:46
  And if they don't have Facebook, they can get it on YouTube.
• 2:15:48
  And if they don't want to go to YouTube, like I said, I'll
• 2:15:51
  probably be putting it on Spotify tonight just so I don't
• 2:15:53
  forget because sometimes I just forget like last week I was
• 2:15:58
  super busy. I that's the most lapsed then
• 2:16:00
  until New Paris is Enduro that I'd ever edited.
• 2:16:04
  I mean New Paris is Enduro was the equivalent to three race
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  programs last week. Oh wow.
• 2:16:09
  Yeah, so I went full Hartford night, full Kalamazoo night,
• 2:16:14
  full in New Paris night, plus the night of destruction.
• 2:16:18
  Then Duro from Saturday trumped all that.
• 2:16:21
  So that's the most in one weekend.
• 2:16:25
  And new pair said hold my hold my Amish fried chicken well up.
• 2:16:31
  Yeah. And so they they cleared, they
• 2:16:33
  cleared the house on Saturday. But again, incredible.
• 2:16:36
  And Duro, for those who missed it, obviously the day of
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  reckonings where you'll get to see Taylor if you haven't done
• 2:16:40
  those yet. And there's a lot of people who
• 2:16:41
  haven't yet. Numbers went up.
• 2:16:43
  So let's keep getting those numbers up.
• 2:16:45
  The the Russell's are being super creative.
• 2:16:47
  They're doing their own thing, which is what's so fun is that
• 2:16:50
  they're not trying to be like other tracks.
• 2:16:52
  They're. Factory 4 double features were
• 2:16:54
  awesome on Saturday. I wanted to add that too.
• 2:16:56
  Those were fun, Yeah, on. That factory four group there
• 2:17:00
  again, I think you know, we have who do we have on that?
• 2:17:03
  We're talk about the factory Fords, but but you know, they've
• 2:17:06
  come around and and that's something Hartford had the bar,
• 2:17:10
  you know, Hartford had the most out of everybody.
• 2:17:12
  They figured it out where all the other tracks were struggling
• 2:17:15
  to get them and there's just weren't a bunch.
• 2:17:17
  I mean, people were trying to buy them, you couldn't find
• 2:17:19
  them, kind of build them, kind of do all that, you know.
• 2:17:23
  But then we start with the top row Triple Crown on April 11th
• 2:17:27
  at Russell's and we had that was the most at that time.
• 2:17:30
  And then I think it was what, 2 weeks later on season opening,
• 2:17:32
  we crushed that record and then held, you know, have held all
• 2:17:37
  season. So again, that that always tells
• 2:17:40
  me you're doing something right if you're holding and they keep
• 2:17:44
  coming back. But you know, it's also the
• 2:17:46
  advantage. There's only two tracks that are
• 2:17:48
  doing them weekly and so there's not a lot of places to go.
• 2:17:52
  But, but literally like Hartford's on its stretch where
• 2:17:55
  it has a couple nights off because of fares, they don't go
• 2:17:57
  head to head with fares or anything that if you race a
• 2:18:00
  Crown Victoria at M40 and you want it, like Ronnie Holloway
• 2:18:03
  has done this. He went to dirt last year to try
• 2:18:06
  it. Like take your Crown Vic and go
• 2:18:07
  over to Hartford on a Friday night.
• 2:18:09
  Or if you race at Hartford and you don't have anywhere to go
• 2:18:11
  for a couple weeks, do a few things.
• 2:18:13
  If you can fit the rules to go to M40 and give him 40 a shot
• 2:18:17
  and you know, then the car doesn't have to sit in the
• 2:18:19
  garage for a couple weeks. And I know there's some Michigan
• 2:18:21
  tracks, dirt tracks that do run Crown Vics, but for a lot of
• 2:18:24
  them, and 40 would be the closest, rather than driving a
• 2:18:27
  couple hours away, drive 50 minutes away.
• 2:18:30
  So, so again, I know seeing that and seeing the car counts at at
• 2:18:34
  M40 has been pretty cool too. Because as we've said on this
• 2:18:37
  show, as they've done in the short track spotlights, it was
• 2:18:40
  literally a track with the, with the Grim Reaper just standing
• 2:18:44
  right there getting ready to, you know, Abracadabra, you know,
• 2:18:47
  blow the house down. And you know, they July 23rd, I
• 2:18:51
  think was the date, something like that. 2023 they've been
• 2:18:54
  able to or 2020. Yeah, it's 2023.
• 2:18:58
  You know, they've been able to change all the fortunes around.
• 2:19:01
  So again, I always tell people, because I know everyone's
• 2:19:05
  sandbox a little different, like you might not like have the
• 2:19:07
  sandbox all the time, but at least it's a track that's open.
• 2:19:10
  And if anything, we all embrace that at least it's a track
• 2:19:12
  that's open. But other than I know who, was
• 2:19:16
  it the other day that stirred up some controversy because they
• 2:19:18
  had a picture of South Bend as a dirt track?
• 2:19:21
  Don't get me started on that. Don't get me fired up on that.
• 2:19:24
  Lewis I think it's next tremie who shared it and as a page, but
• 2:19:29
  then someone said what other track would you think an M40?
• 2:19:32
  And I'm going to tell you an M40 was for sale.
• 2:19:34
  Obviously I don't have the money to buy it, so I can't do it.
• 2:19:37
  But I made AI made a post in it. It got people so furious with
• 2:19:41
  me. But I'm like, I think M40 would
• 2:19:43
  be a really, really, really good dirt track just and I'm just
• 2:19:49
  picture the a la Sprint cars on it.
• 2:19:51
  You know, just that's all you need to do.
• 2:19:53
  Just picture that and dirt lane models slinging dirt around
• 2:19:56
  there. Booze you get over yourself.
• 2:20:00
  You can keep plugging on my page.
• 2:20:02
  You remember that? You know, I will say one thing
• 2:20:05
  about M40 is that track is very unique, and I feel like that's
• 2:20:10
  really the equalizer for a lot of the racing.
• 2:20:12
  I mean, it comes back to who's the best pilot at that point.
• 2:20:16
  I mean, setups can only help you so far.
• 2:20:18
  You still got to drive the thing.
• 2:20:19
  So yeah. Especially Turn 3, like you can
• 2:20:24
  tell God watching the Ohio Wheelman there I was telling
• 2:20:27
  their photographer and everything I said we'll figure
• 2:20:30
  out really quick who's raced here and who hasn't.
• 2:20:34
  Hot laps that bump. Is I can you, you even see it
• 2:20:38
  even like with the crown VIX when they decide to go 3 wide
• 2:20:41
  and they can hold three wide for like 2 laps.
• 2:20:44
  Good Lord. When they hit the when they hit
• 2:20:46
  the little bump, it just it's amazing what that little bit can
• 2:20:50
  do to the cars set up. It's just surprising.
• 2:20:54
  Yeah, Speaking of set up, Buju, what do you think about a dirt
• 2:20:57
  track in South Bend? Hey, teach their own you.
• 2:21:05
  Have material for your next episode on Sundays?
• 2:21:08
  There you go, I. Should.
• 2:21:09
  Yeah, that's a. That's a good point.
• 2:21:12
  He's writing a note. Well, let's ask that though.
• 2:21:14
  Like is there, is there? My forehead vein popping out
• 2:21:17
  yet? Yep, it sure is.
• 2:21:20
  Well, do you remember? When Berlin did it so way back,
• 2:21:23
  Berlin used to put dirt on Berlin for like a race.
• 2:21:27
  They were. They raced World of Outlaws
• 2:21:28
  there, if I if I remember his. World of Outlaws.
• 2:21:31
  Yeah, they put dirt on the Berlin.
• 2:21:33
  And so that kind of got people thinking because that was well
• 2:21:36
  before Bristol put dirt on. But that might have been when
• 2:21:39
  Bristol did dirt the first time. Because that was.
• 2:21:41
  Kind of like early 2000s. But, you know, it's one of those
• 2:21:46
  that, you know, people talk about.
• 2:21:48
  There's so many asphalt tracks in the area and Hartford and
• 2:21:51
  Butler kind of live in the dirt land.
• 2:21:53
  There's just not enough dirt. So when you look at the car
• 2:21:56
  counts, why would I build a dirt car?
• 2:21:58
  I hear you. I get I I hear what you're
• 2:22:01
  saying about dirt tracks. I get the I'm not, and I'm not
• 2:22:03
  bashing dirt tracks. I just think the asphalt tracks
• 2:22:06
  are asphalt tracks for reasons. So maybe let's.
• 2:22:08
  But remember, I'm trying. To turn them into.
• 2:22:10
  Dirt used to be dirt. They put asphalt on top of the
• 2:22:14
  dirt. Yeah, in the 1950s.
• 2:22:19
  Back to our roof, like Montville started as dirt track, new pair
• 2:22:22
  started as dirt track, Callum Zoo started as dirt track, I
• 2:22:25
  think Galesburg started as dirt track but I could be wrong on.
• 2:22:28
  Galesburg, most of them did start start as dirt tracks.
• 2:22:30
  That's and then they paved them. Because it's.
• 2:22:32
  Better. Oh Lord.
• 2:22:38
  This is great, right? You know, I don't know though,
• 2:22:40
  like you have to give it. You have to give it something
• 2:22:42
  out. If you watch the World of
• 2:22:44
  Outlaws at at M40 on a dirt track, you have to admit that in
• 2:22:50
  a different time, like Back to the future, like go back to the
• 2:22:53
  future and change course of history, that that would be a
• 2:22:57
  fun dirt. Track.
• 2:22:58
  Sure, I'll give you M40. Leave the other one alone.
• 2:23:05
  But but OK, let's ask this just because we're on topic and since
• 2:23:09
  you both have routes to South Bend if it kept it alive.
• 2:23:14
  I I don't think you'd have to widen the bottom so much and the
• 2:23:16
  top would be so dominant it wouldn't work.
• 2:23:18
  I was going to say if. The widen the bottom it would be
• 2:23:21
  1/5 mile if that. I don't think it would work.
• 2:23:25
  You know there was a race. Have you been to Plymouth Dirt
• 2:23:27
  Track in Wisconsin? Fifth mile there that they did
• 2:23:30
  good. Sure, you know, going with what
• 2:23:33
  Boudre was saying. You know, I'm by all means I'm
• 2:23:35
  not opposed to dirt dirts. Fun to watch you sack.
• 2:23:38
  I just watched the Flow racing, had a race rewind where they
• 2:23:44
  were doing the Ohio Speed week. That was just like a month ago
• 2:23:49
  or something like that. And I was like, wow, these burn
• 2:23:52
  cars are amazing. You know when I see a car go
• 2:23:54
  sideways, there's a yellow flag usually.
• 2:23:57
  So to see them kick it sideways and just maintain it, it was
• 2:24:01
  just amazing to watch. Like all forms of racing are fun
• 2:24:04
  to watch, but I agree with Buju. If you South Bend went dirt,
• 2:24:08
  hypothetically they'd have to do a lot of work because it's
• 2:24:11
  narrow. And also good luck selling the
• 2:24:14
  neighbors in the auction lot across the street on that too.
• 2:24:16
  Oh, they would be mad. Oh.
• 2:24:21
  Yeah, You know, there was a race at South Bend in 2019, I do
• 2:24:25
  believe it was the final running of the Jim Blunt Memorial.
• 2:24:30
  Had a whole bunch of super late models there.
• 2:24:32
  Tyler Rorick, one of the cleanest racers you'll ever meet
• 2:24:36
  his, That was when he had the white paint scheme.
• 2:24:39
  It was the first season I think he did the white with the red
• 2:24:42
  number that he won the victory. He he won the race and then
• 2:24:47
  pulled off the track. And I guarantee you both side of
• 2:24:50
  that, the tire of his body, I mean, had tire marks all over
• 2:24:54
  it. And I just it never really put
• 2:24:56
  into perspective how tight South Bend is.
• 2:25:00
  And even working the gate and getting a perfect view of the
• 2:25:02
  backstretch, I never really paid attention.
• 2:25:05
  Until you see him go side by side going into 3 and it's like,
• 2:25:09
  you know, like, oh Lord. Perfect little race track and I
• 2:25:14
  love it the way it is. I'm it's hypothetical.
• 2:25:19
  I'm not hear you. I got hypothetical.
• 2:25:25
  I had my hypothetical response to the hypothetical.
• 2:25:27
  Situation, you know if someone buys it for 2 million or
• 2:25:32
  whatever it is. Yeah.
• 2:25:33
  Listen, I don't got money to buy it.
• 2:25:34
  So I don't have any decision that I don't have any say in the
• 2:25:36
  matter. Do what you want I guess, but
• 2:25:38
  I'll have my opinion. It could be.
• 2:25:41
  It would be unique to see though.
• 2:25:43
  Sure, you know so data center or dirt track?
• 2:25:47
  Oh yeah, I'm with you on that for sure.
• 2:25:49
  But. So you always have compared to
• 2:25:51
  the most, whatever the social media determines, it's the most
• 2:25:55
  evil thing of that day. Obviously data tenders are the
• 2:25:57
  most evil thing right now. Few weeks, it'll be something
• 2:26:01
  else. Dollar generals were it for a
• 2:26:03
  while, but. Flock cameras are moving up the
• 2:26:05
  list. Oh yeah, they are.
• 2:26:08
  That would be a big surveillance area if they did that right.
• 2:26:10
  You know, although it is long highway there, but but yeah, no.
• 2:26:15
  So I saw that picture and I'm like, I don't pick.
• 2:26:18
  I don't I agree with you, booze you.
• 2:26:20
  I'm just busting your balls here.
• 2:26:21
  I know, I know, I know. But yeah.
• 2:26:25
  It worked. No, it did.
• 2:26:29
  I kind of proud of myself, but but that's where you know, I I
• 2:26:33
  agree. I don't think South Bend would
• 2:26:35
  be an ideal dirt track. You'd have to do quite a bit of
• 2:26:37
  different things with it Doesn't make it impossible again.
• 2:26:40
  Plymouth, WI. I thought the same thing going
• 2:26:42
  there when my brother introduced me.
• 2:26:44
  If you've never been there, Sheboygan County Fairgrounds,
• 2:26:47
  they have tailgating all the way around it basically because the
• 2:26:50
  track was put in after the homes, the, the track of 2005.
• 2:26:55
  And so all the homes have balconies and they, you can
• 2:26:58
  smell the brats on the grill. You can smell all the things and
• 2:27:01
  they embrace the track like their neighbors and they're out
• 2:27:03
  there watching the track from their and so.
• 2:27:07
  And it's the only dirt track that I'll eat food at because I
• 2:27:10
  know my food won't have dirt in it.
• 2:27:12
  They have covered like any fairground, it's covered
• 2:27:14
  grandstands and those grandstands are damn clean.
• 2:27:16
  Like you'd think you're at a dirt track spotless, not not
• 2:27:20
  dirt anywhere. I didn't leave with dirt on me.
• 2:27:23
  It was really nice. I've I'm like, oh, this is
• 2:27:26
  awesome. I went to a dirt track and I'm
• 2:27:28
  leaving like I wasn't at a dirt track, but but yeah, that so
• 2:27:33
  that's a fifth mile. And I thought the same thing.
• 2:27:35
  They had 20, what was it, 23 or 24 Sprint cars, four 10s start
• 2:27:42
  their feature. And I thought, I looked at my
• 2:27:44
  brother and I said, this is going to be wild.
• 2:27:46
  Nope, just packing all over tight little bowl ring.
• 2:27:50
  So if you've never been there, I would highly recommend just for
• 2:27:53
  the environment. Even if you don't like the
• 2:27:55
  racing, I think you'll like the racing.
• 2:27:56
  But even if you don't like the racing, just environment, seeing
• 2:27:59
  a neighborhood embrace its track, be a part of the track,
• 2:28:03
  celebrate the track, embrace it. Definitely go check it out just
• 2:28:08
  for that. Yeah, One of my goals is even
• 2:28:11
  though I'm a big asphalt guy, I, I got to get to El Doro.
• 2:28:15
  I, I have to go. I hear that is just unworldly on
• 2:28:20
  how popular that is, so I got to get there too.
• 2:28:22
  I name my dog after Taylor, it's that good.
• 2:28:25
  All right, there was actually a just a little documentary.
• 2:28:30
  I watch a lot of flow racing when I'm home.
• 2:28:33
  There was a documentary on there on the history of flow racing.
• 2:28:36
  I mean, not flow racing of Eldoro, and that was pretty cool
• 2:28:39
  too. So it's just I got to go.
• 2:28:42
  I got to get out more now. While that while it's almost
• 2:28:47
  time to turn left right. So you know, because this is our
• 2:28:50
  favorite part of the because I see it's almost 9:30.
• 2:28:52
  So I'm like oh, trying to definite time to get.
• 2:28:55
  Yeah, it's 8:30 my time, so. Don't brag, but but yeah,
• 2:28:59
  Eldora, that's one that I do want to get to too.
• 2:29:01
  But I thought that was, I thought that was interesting.
• 2:29:04
  So I don't know how we, oh, 'cause we're just talk about
• 2:29:06
  dirt in general. But but yeah.
• 2:29:09
  But before Buju has like emotional breakdown and, you
• 2:29:14
  know, has to go on one of his big Dave Lacreca style rants on
• 2:29:18
  his new podcast, Yes. On Sundays.
• 2:29:21
  We'll save him the trouble so he doesn't have to curl up in a
• 2:29:25
  ball. It won't happen, it won't
• 2:29:28
  happen, it can't happen. We'll take the emotional trauma
• 2:29:32
  of even the thought of it. Dirt South Bend isn't real.
• 2:29:35
  It can't hurt you. He's going to have a nightmare
• 2:29:39
  about it. He's going to wake up screaming.
• 2:29:44
  It is not a effing dirt track, but and he won't know why.
• 2:29:48
  He'll just wake up yelling at and protesting.
• 2:29:50
  But but anyways, it's almost time to turn La Fuju and go fast
• 2:29:54
  again. Taylor, thank you so much for
• 2:29:56
  joining us tonight because. We'll see you at the races.
• 2:30:00
  And Taylor, have fun. We'll see.
• 2:30:02
  Everybody. Thank you.