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Madame Mustache: The Wild West’s Most Badass Gambler · PNW Haunts & Homicides

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Randy Dave rabbit Holes, where we take the
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  Speaker 1: history of the West off the rails. If you like
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  Speaker 1: your history unhinged, you are in the right place. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Shae and I'm Jody. Let's fall down the rabbit hole,
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  Speaker 1: all right, Shae, I am so excited that we opened
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  Speaker 1: up our Sorry, I can't I'm so glad. We can't
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  Speaker 1: stop laughing at you right now. We opened up our
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  Speaker 1: research to the whole West. Because today I've got a
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  Speaker 1: story for you. There is so much that's up our alley,
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  Speaker 1: gambling outlaws, a woman way ahead of her time, and
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  Speaker 1: of course some truly terrible men. Are we going to
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  Speaker 1: bring up the elephant in the room that's on your face? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I came prepared. I'm in costume today. I have a
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  Speaker 1: mustache stuck up her nose. Well, it's from that pizza box.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you're you know, a frozen pizza
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  Speaker 1: red baron. So yeah, I know. I can't remember the
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  Speaker 1: brand of it. I probably should, but it comes with
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  Speaker 1: this and you could wear it, and it was ideal
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  Speaker 1: because today, as you'll hear, this mustache, it's not just
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  Speaker 1: for men. There's mustaches for ladies. Our character in this
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  Speaker 1: story strong enough for a man but desired for a woman. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's right. Actually, she, as you'll hear, was not a
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  Speaker 1: fan of this and probably would not appreciate me coming
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  Speaker 1: in costume. But here we are. We are talking today
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  Speaker 1: about Eleanor Dumont, Dumont. Dumont. Was that French? It is?
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  Speaker 1: It is so French. I thought, so Dumont is what
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  Speaker 1: I read at first, And I have family in Montana
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  Speaker 1: the last name Dumont, Dumont, so I was like, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I wonder could they be related. No, not at all,
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  Speaker 1: and it's Dumont. I bet my family is Native American
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  Speaker 1: that has the name Dumont. But I'm guessing that's not original.
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  Speaker 1: I thought you said that they're not. Actually they're not
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  Speaker 1: actually any Native American. No, these are by marriage. They're
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  Speaker 1: very oh okay, it doesn't take very long up their
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  Speaker 1: lineage to be one hundred percent. They're very okay. But
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  Speaker 1: they by marriage. My aunt is not. But I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: they acquired this name somewhere. Back to the story. Eleanor
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  Speaker 1: Dumont or better known as Madam Mustache. Yes, she actually
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  Speaker 1: that was actually her nickname, Madame Mustache. And no, she
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  Speaker 1: did not ask for it or did she appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: She was, however, a high class gambler, businesswoman, and absolute
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  Speaker 1: boss at the card table. She made money, ran high
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  Speaker 1: end gambling parlors where miners basically handed over their gold,
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  Speaker 1: and did all of this alone, traveling from town to
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  Speaker 1: town across the lawless West as a single woman. Almost
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  Speaker 1: her entire life was this the eighteen hundreds. Absolutely is
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  Speaker 1: we are with the outlaws. She actually, this isn't in
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  Speaker 1: my story, so I'll go ahead and just throw it
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  Speaker 1: out there. She taught Calamity Jane how to shoot or
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  Speaker 1: not from the beginning, but gave her some lessons so
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  Speaker 1: to sharpen her aim. Now she was in that era
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  Speaker 1: with those people. Unfortunately, she got the nickname Madam Mustache.
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  Speaker 1: Where Calamity Jane, Annie Oakley, all those people got great names,
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  Speaker 1: She got a mustache. I just listened to an episode
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  Speaker 1: of my favorite PNW podcast, Wiji Brad's, about Calamity Jane.
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  Speaker 1: And apparently, back in that day, a calamity can also
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  Speaker 1: be a reference to venereal infections. Oh no, And so
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  Speaker 1: there was a lot of debate about where she got
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  Speaker 1: her name, and that might have been one of them.
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  Speaker 1: Because she was well known that if you bought her
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  Speaker 1: a drink or two, she might be happy to go
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  Speaker 1: to bed with you. Interesting, I can see why they
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  Speaker 1: hung out out. Yeah, there's moments in time where they're
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  Speaker 1: probably very much in the same space. Yeah, but if
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  Speaker 1: you ask Colambity Jane, she would probably tell the story
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  Speaker 1: that she taught Yeah, this Madam Mustache how to shoot,
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  Speaker 1: because that's what Columby j liked to do. She was
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  Speaker 1: a big fish story lady. Okay, back to my tail.
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  Speaker 1: So she had the nickname she had been amongst these humans,
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  Speaker 1: Wyat or Calamity Jane, Billy the kid that era, that's
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  Speaker 1: her era. So love it because this is history and
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  Speaker 1: no badass woman is allowed to just win. Nope, things
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  Speaker 1: take a turn. Well let's just say in the end
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  Speaker 1: it isn't as glamorous as the beginning. But get ready,
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  Speaker 1: because this one's got money, crime, whiskey, and murder. Yep, murder.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. We are going unhinged, basically all the
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  Speaker 1: things that make history fun. So let's start at the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: To start, we don't know a lot about Madam Mustache,
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  Speaker 1: but we do know she was born as Simone Jewels
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  Speaker 1: in eighteen twenty nine, but we don't know where already
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  Speaker 1: a great name, yes, Simone Jewels, Yes, well, she leaves
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  Speaker 1: that name behind, unfortunately, and becomes eleanor Dumont. But she
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  Speaker 1: reports that she was born in Paris, but people are
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  Speaker 1: like or New Orleans, so she it's up for discussion
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  Speaker 1: whether she was born in Paris or New Orleans. She
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  Speaker 1: leaves her home in Louisiana at the age of eighteen,
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  Speaker 1: so we at least know that there is history in
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  Speaker 1: New Orleans. We're just not sure if she's actually born there. Wait,
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was pronounced narlens nhalns naalns. Well. I
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  Speaker 1: wonder if she would have she liked to talk about
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  Speaker 1: her French background, would she have used no la something?
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  Speaker 1: She said that a lot. I bet she said that
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  Speaker 1: a lot. She's born in eighteen twenty nine and leaves
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  Speaker 1: Louisiana at the age of eighteen years old, all by herself,
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  Speaker 1: a single girl at this point, and heads out to
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  Speaker 1: Sam Francisco. She eighteen eighty nine, No, eighteen twenty nine
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  Speaker 1: when she's born, so eighteen forty nine or I'm sorry
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  Speaker 1: forty seven? She oh, wow, okay, so early leaves Louisiana.
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  Speaker 1: She makes her way straight to San Francisco, where the
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  Speaker 1: gold rush is happening, and she gets off that train
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  Speaker 1: and she walks straight to the local saloon where there
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  Speaker 1: they have card games, card tables, and she becomes a dealer.
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  Speaker 1: Not just does she get really good at gambling, she
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  Speaker 1: becomes a female, a woman dealer in the local saloon
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  Speaker 1: in San Francisco. Say what, she became quite well known.
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  Speaker 1: They allowed women to do that? No, no, nope, but
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  Speaker 1: she for somehow she finangled her way to the table
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  Speaker 1: and was very good at it. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: there was a hole in the day, like nobody showed up.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't wear a low cut dress. Well she did,
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  Speaker 1: yeah something. She got the job, did very well at it,
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  Speaker 1: became very successful, but became very well known and became
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  Speaker 1: a target. So the saloon let her go. And when
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  Speaker 1: they let her go, they said, you you should probably
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  Speaker 1: also leave town, just so you know, because you're in danger.
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  Speaker 1: Was it because people were bristling at the idea of
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  Speaker 1: a woman doing this job or do they feel was
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  Speaker 1: it people who lost the game and lost money and
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  Speaker 1: were From what I can tell, it's mostly the people
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  Speaker 1: that lost the game and they wanted to blame her
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  Speaker 1: because she's a woman. Okay, so they didn't just lose fairly.
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  Speaker 1: There was a woman dealing the cart, sure, and women
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  Speaker 1: are underhanded and dishonest. Of course, I don't think the
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  Speaker 1: reputable folks of the town were complaining about her being
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  Speaker 1: a female dealer as far as I could tell. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: well it's the it's the cowards that always need somebody
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  Speaker 1: to blame, right, And you know, when you lose a
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  Speaker 1: lot of money gambling and you can get addicted and
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  Speaker 1: then you've got nothing in your destitute, you're going to
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  Speaker 1: look at her like she stole your money. So they
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  Speaker 1: let her go, said you should probably leave town. We
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  Speaker 1: think you're in danger. So she boarded a train with
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  Speaker 1: all the money she had saved. She by this time
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  Speaker 1: it accumulated quite a bit of money, took all of
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  Speaker 1: her belongings and went to Nevada City, California, where gold
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  Speaker 1: mining was thriving, and instead of panning for gold, she
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  Speaker 1: figured out the real money was taking the miner's gold,
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  Speaker 1: and so mining the miners, mining the miners at the
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  Speaker 1: card table. So gambling halls were nasty, dark, full of sweaty,
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  Speaker 1: drunk people, lyce ridden men, is what I read. Oh, yes,
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  Speaker 1: they weren't just stinky, they had lice. They wanted to
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  Speaker 1: have sex with women there too, right. I think that's
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  Speaker 1: probably why they're like, Hey, a bath is five cents,
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  Speaker 1: Why don't you do a nice bath before I take
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  Speaker 1: you up to the crib. Right, It's so relaxing. It's
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  Speaker 1: for you, not me. Right, yeah, well also for me.
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  Speaker 1: So these these card tables were also Wait, hold on,
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  Speaker 1: it's still like the West is very much loves to
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  Speaker 1: trick you with place names. Nevada City, right, I know
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  Speaker 1: they're in California. I know, I keep going. Now, when
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  Speaker 1: did she get to Nevada City? I wonder if that
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  Speaker 1: was along the lines of the people that got to
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  Speaker 1: a place and thought they weren't a different place and
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  Speaker 1: so named it. Oh, I wonder much like Christopher Columbus, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: or like Joseph Smith or whoever. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: it was Joseph Smith who led the Mormons to Utah
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  Speaker 1: thinking it was California. Oh, I don't know it was
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  Speaker 1: Jeffah Smith or if it was Brigham Young or one
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  Speaker 1: of the other Mormon people, but uh, yeah, led led
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  Speaker 1: his flock to Salt Lake City and it was like,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to California. This is where Heavenly Father has sent us. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't realize. I didn't know they were headed to California.
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  Speaker 1: I thought they just went this looks nice. You know
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  Speaker 1: where I learned that fact? I was from a movie
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  Speaker 1: I watched this week called The Heretic with Hugh Grant. Oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna watch that. Was it worth it? Uh?
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  Speaker 1: It was a little confusing at parts, very kind of
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  Speaker 1: cerebral scary movie, like there's not there's not jump scares,
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  Speaker 1: and that's kind of my more my game. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: very Uh, it's it's interesting. I think you'll like it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I will not recommend substance with me. No, everybody's been
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  Speaker 1: talking about how good that is. Is it? Oh? I
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  Speaker 1: thought it was awful. You know what, it's a terrible
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  Speaker 1: movie that I watched last night. Huh, Alien Versus Predator.
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  Speaker 1: Requim why you're saying what I fell asleep for? I
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  Speaker 1: did this too, But then I had to see the
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  Speaker 1: end and it was just to me, first of all,
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  Speaker 1: it was it didn't make sense, like this is a
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  Speaker 1: this is way off topic. This is a woman who
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  Speaker 1: gets to change bodies, back and forth between a young
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  Speaker 1: one and an old one. But she has to do
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  Speaker 1: it every week. But you're the same person. You just
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  Speaker 1: get two bodies. You just spoiler alert, Yeah I haven't
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  Speaker 1: seen it. Well, we could cut this too. But the
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  Speaker 1: thing is is like when she's the young one, she
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  Speaker 1: does all these things that make it hard for the
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  Speaker 1: old one. I hate saying old one. She's like forty
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  Speaker 1: five my age old one to me more, she's only
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  Speaker 1: slightly older than me anyway. Uh, and then she does
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  Speaker 1: things that pisses off the other one. I'm like, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: you're the same person in two bodies. Don't act like
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  Speaker 1: you don't know what's happening here. Okay, that would be.
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  Speaker 1: And then so like she comes back into this body
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  Speaker 1: and she looks around, she's like, you've left this mess,
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  Speaker 1: You've done these things. I'm mad. I'm like, no, you're
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  Speaker 1: literally the same person. You did this, And then I
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  Speaker 1: could never get past that. Okay. So and then it's
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  Speaker 1: filmed a little differently. There's probably a style to it.
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  Speaker 1: It's I don't appreciate it. I'm I find out Corney
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  Speaker 1: probably is a very artistic thing. Well, now you've set
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  Speaker 1: me up to go in expecting to be disappointed. So
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  Speaker 1: maybe maybe I like it. I may have improved the
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  Speaker 1: movie for you. There you go, heretics good. There's some
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  Speaker 1: things in it that don't make sense that really left
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  Speaker 1: me scratching in my head. And then the ending is
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  Speaker 1: very much left to interpretation. Oh okay, of those things
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  Speaker 1: I might have done, so that one, that bit kind
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  Speaker 1: of leaves you like, there's like, wait, how did that
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  Speaker 1: and how and what architect built this house? But Hugh
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  Speaker 1: Grant's character fantastic, he's so good. I like you good.
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  Speaker 1: You don't have to keep the mustache out. I was
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  Speaker 1: in the park and I'm just kidding it. It's really
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  Speaker 1: starting to annoy me. Is it starting to get soggy
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  Speaker 1: being up your nose? No? Not yet. I was surprised
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  Speaker 1: have a very runny nose. Okay, now where were we? Okay?
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  Speaker 1: So she went off to Nevada City. Oh okay, this
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  Speaker 1: is where I really start to enjoy her as a human.
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  Speaker 1: So we talked about how these are terrible places. They're dark,
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  Speaker 1: they're smelly, they're full of drunk, lice ridden men. Right,
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  Speaker 1: But for Lar, she had a different vision for her
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  Speaker 1: gambling establishment. She was like, absolutely not she opened her
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  Speaker 1: own parlor called then it Un, which is blackjack in
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  Speaker 1: French means twenty one. Okay, then it un anyway, then
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  Speaker 1: so twenty one and we'll go. But that was the
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  Speaker 1: name of her establishment. Very high class, right, and then
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  Speaker 1: she served champagne instead of whiskey. Oh fancy, and the
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  Speaker 1: toe in it. Yeah. I mean that's kind of lame
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  Speaker 1: for the time, but could have improved this drink with
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  Speaker 1: the toe if those are wondering. If people are wondering,
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: why look back at our other episodes. Sorry, another sidebar,
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  Speaker 1: So somebody did I tell you? Somebody commented on one
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  Speaker 1: of the posts for last week's episode about the Sourtoe
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  Speaker 1: cocktail and said that she is a member. So I
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, you have to email me,
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  Speaker 1: tell me everything. So well, we'll see. Oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: I want to hear many tails someone. Actually we may
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  Speaker 1: get to hear from an actual member of the Towertcker.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think you're supposed to suck on the toe.
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  Speaker 1: You're just supposed to let it touch your lips. Okay, okay,
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  Speaker 1: the toe kisser, I know it's I'm very proud of
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  Speaker 1: you for being braver than Jody Era. Keith said he
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  Speaker 1: would do it. He agreed to. We're going to do
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  Speaker 1: it next next summer drive through trip. Ye okay, sorry, Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So not only did she serve champagne instead of whiskey,
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  Speaker 1: she hired respectable women to work there, women with more
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  Speaker 1: than one dress, women with very nice dresses, more than
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  Speaker 1: one and they had to be nice. And they were
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  Speaker 1: not sex workers. They were to work. They were car dealers,
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  Speaker 1: They served the drinks. They were high class, they were
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  Speaker 1: not for sale. And they were the only women allowed
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  Speaker 1: in there because she didn't want distractions. Okay, So she
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  Speaker 1: didn't let women gamblers in there because she didn't want
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  Speaker 1: them taking away from what she was trying to do, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: And when you're dealing with these type of men, she
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  Speaker 1: didn't need the distraction. So the women, though, were there
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  Speaker 1: to entice the men to spend more money. Basically kind of,
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  Speaker 1: they weren't there like with their tatas out. They weren't
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  Speaker 1: showing cleavage. They were high class women. They were there,
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  Speaker 1: they were reputable, they were But those men probably always
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  Speaker 1: had that thought the block of their mind that like
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  Speaker 1: maybe maybe if I continue to say, maybe I show
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  Speaker 1: off how much money did but can chill given. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: she ran a really tight ship. You weren't to mess
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  Speaker 1: with these women. They worked there and they were to
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  Speaker 1: be respected. So she didn't allow any sex work, not
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  Speaker 1: at this time. Okay, we'll hear about her venture into
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  Speaker 1: that later, but at this time she was keeping those
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  Speaker 1: businesses separate. She wanted to make sure to make money
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  Speaker 1: at the gambling tables by gambling and having a a
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  Speaker 1: well run gambling establishment. You'll hear in the end to
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  Speaker 1: the everyone you know, outside of probably some people that
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  Speaker 1: lost a lot of money and the people in San Francisco,
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  Speaker 1: they really respected her. She paid out when you won big.
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  Speaker 1: She paid out what she had to pay. She didn't
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  Speaker 1: try to scam you, which I guess other establishments were doing,
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  Speaker 1: trying to get away with not giving you your winnings
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  Speaker 1: but taking your losings. Interesting, Okay, she was well known
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  Speaker 1: for being on the right side of that. So you're
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  Speaker 1: saying that this is a woman who probably could have
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  Speaker 1: made a casino in Atlantic City work and not go bankrupt. Correct,
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  Speaker 1: She would have been able to manage that business. She's
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  Speaker 1: a dumb woman, Yes, dumb woman. She would have been
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  Speaker 1: a dei hire but also successful. Right, She wouldn't have
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  Speaker 1: run a casino into the ground. I mean, I guess
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  Speaker 1: that's what di Ei is, but you know, letting those
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  Speaker 1: who can do do. Back to sorry Anti DEEI, where
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  Speaker 1: we hire people because we like their white faces and
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  Speaker 1: they're loyal. Okay, back to the story. So she did not,
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  Speaker 1: like I was saying. She did not put up with nonsense,
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  Speaker 1: No rowdy men. You were kicked out cheaters. You were
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  Speaker 1: publicly humiliated. If she caught you as a cheater, she'd
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  Speaker 1: tell the town. You'd be publicly humiliated. She was running
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  Speaker 1: a business, not a drunken brawl, and for a while,
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  Speaker 1: it worked and she made a lot of money. So
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  Speaker 1: this is where we now get to learn about her nickname,
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  Speaker 1: Madame Musta. Yes please, but first, since we are not
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  Speaker 1: gambler's shay, we need to take a break. Now the
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  Speaker 1: must I will spend us twenty dollars on video blackjack
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  Speaker 1: at the casino bar. It's time to hear from our
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  Speaker 1: sponsors and we will be right back. Which you never know,
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  Speaker 1: it might be an online casino. It could be. It
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  Speaker 1: could be, but we're not the gamblers. No, okay, welcome back.
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  Speaker 1: Hopefully the ads did not try to entice you into
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  Speaker 1: losing all of your money gambling, but if you do,
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  Speaker 1: twenty one is the way to go. When Eleanor was younger,
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  Speaker 1: she was known for being an elegant, beautiful woman, but
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  Speaker 1: as she got older, she developed a bit of a mustache.
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  Speaker 1: So you see these pictures over time, and they're not
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  Speaker 1: really pictures. They're drawing, drawing sketches of her. Obviously, there's
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  Speaker 1: a couple looks like photographs. But it's funny. If you
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  Speaker 1: go online and look up Eleanor Dumont, you will find
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  Speaker 1: the same photo of her with and without a mustache.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm like, wait, which one's edited, the one with
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  Speaker 1: a big furry mustache or the one with no mustache.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: It's obviously the same picture. At that time, like beauty
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: regiments for dealing with a hairy upper lip had been
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: going on for centuries, there were bleaches and shaved. I
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: have wondered this because it did bother her, and by
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: the things that I've seen, it was pretty extensive mustache.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: It wasn't just a little bit of a my peach
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: fast right exactly, the turn dark over age right right,
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: significant mustache, And so I don't know why. And you know,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: there were shaving happening. These men were shaving, like yeah,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: it's not like she couldn't have access to a straight razor,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: right exactly, So bleached like right for not liking it
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: in this name, she Uh, I'm surprised she didn't do
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: anything interesting. I mean, women had been bleaching their body
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: hair for hundreds of years, right, Yeah. I was wondering,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: where's the maintenance here? I mean it was she was
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: doing her hair, she was dressing very nicely, interesting she was.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: So I'm wondering if maybe she didn't really mind it
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: that much, and she like somebody like, maybe she took
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: it as a badge of something. Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: It's reported she didn't like it, but she did nothing
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: about it. But she got older, of course she developed
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: bit of a mustache, and because men of the eighteen
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: hundreds were just as masture as they are now, they
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: started calling her Madam Mustache. It was actually a game
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: where she was dealing and somebody lost money and he
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: got mad at her, and he's like cursing at her
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: and then called her Madam Mustache, and of course the
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: whole place heard it, and they're like, oh, and there
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: they went, and she became mad and mustache from that
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: time rude. Did she love it? Absolutely not. Some sources
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: say she laughed it off, others say it really got
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: under her skin. But either way, history is annoying because
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: this woman literally built an empire, and yet somehow the
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: mustache is what people remember her for. And she did
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: this all alone. That's why I just keep thinking the
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: whole time. At this time, you're in the wild West.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: It's eighteen hundreds, and you are a woman amongst all
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: these dirty, dangerous men, right and becoming successful and keeping
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: yourself for the most part safe, not completely, but for
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: the most part. It's a woman can't have anything on
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: her own or any successes of her own right, otherwise
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: it's threatening. And so we have, you know, there's this
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: tendency to try to find a way to somehow put
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: her down, to put her back in her place, right,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: because yeah, idea of a woman having some sort of
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: power that is normally held by a man is threatening.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: And that wasn't just the eighteen hundreds. It continues. So,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: like I was saying, she's built this entire empire, she
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: owns an establishment normally owned by men. She's running it
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: in a way that's not attracting all the CD she's
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: keeping it clean, and yet people remember her from her mustache.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: But Eleanor never stayed in one place too long. She
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: set up gambling parlors across California, Idaho, Montana, and Nevada.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Wherever gold was flowing is where she went. Oh, so
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: she followed the gold mining rushes that happened throughout the
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: eighteen hundred yep. As the towns dried up, so did
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: her establishments. And so she just followed the gold and
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: kept following it. Wow, And I imagine there was a
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: lot of people that also did that, So she was
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: well known by the time she got there. So by
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: the time she would find a place to set up shop,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: everybody was ready to go because maybe a lot of
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: these miners had come from the last mining town and
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: they're like, oh, yeah, Eleanor over there. She runs a
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: tight ship in a great place, and there's always lovely
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: looking ladies there. As soon as she was in town,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: she was set up ready to go because she had
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: that reputation. But here's the thing. Being a single woman
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: in the Old West, it's not easy being rich single
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: woman extremely dangerous. She was robbed multiple times, harassed, constantly
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: and had to be tough as hell to survive. Yeah,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: because I'm wondering, like back then, especially if you're in
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: industry like gambling, where you have large amounts of cash,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: you probably can't park them all in a bank. And
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: then if you're moving from town to town to town,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: it's not like there's electronic right records, so you can
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: go to San Francisco to get your money, but you
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: have to have large amounts of cash on hand at
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: all time because you have to be able to pay
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: out those beds. So it's either you have money in
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: banks across the west, or you just have a big safe,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: or you have it in your bra you have it
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: in your shoes, you have it in your waist, you
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: have it. Right. But I mean, she's she's going to
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: be dealing with thousands and thousands of dollars that they've
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: brought in and yeah, so yeah, but that part just
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: shocks me. I mean, it's just so dangerous for her
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: to have been doing that without money. Well, yeah, and
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: think about like every time she moves town mm hmm,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: she's traveling with all of that money and people know
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: left's oversight. Yeah, there's less people around to keep her safe.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: They all know when you know the town's closing up
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: and where they're all headed and right, it's just crazy
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: to me. So she did. She did have some run ins,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: but she was She was able to survive it, and
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: she just kept moving, setting up new businesses, raking in cash,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: just staying ahead of the chaos. She was smarter than
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: most of them, from what I can tell. She was
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: ahead of the business, ahead of the crime. But because
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: no good story is complete without one catastrophic mistake, she
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: got married. Oh that'll do it every time, yep. And
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: so she met a man in one of her establishments.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: He was a bartender. His name was Jack McKnight. Those
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: bartenders look at you every time. He was the literal worst.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: He convinced her. So she had taken the time. She's
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: getting on in her age, right, doesn't want to be
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: traveling all over it's been dangerous. Time to settle down.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: How do I do that and stay making money? Especially
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: if this town's gonna dry up just like all the others.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: So she bought a ranch. She wanted to get into
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: cattle ranching, something where she could stay in one place
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: and still make money. So she wanted to settle down basically,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: not necessarily with the man. She did this on her own.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: She wanted to do it on her own, but right,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: but just settle down and not be Yeah yeah, doing
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: the traveling. Turns out she's really good at a lot
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: of things. Ranching is not one. She struggled hard. It
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: wasn't working. Oh my god, the dog just farted. Oh
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: does it smell like a cattle ranch? That's that's the effects.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Those are special effects. You put special effects up of
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: poop smell in the air, just to bring the story
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: on to life. Yeah, are you? Are you feeling more
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: in it? I am? Oh god? Why didn't you feed him?
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: He was bugging me when I was trying to write
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: this morning, and so I gave him his like the
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: treat ball full of peanut butter. Oh yeah, oh my
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: eyes are literally it's wrong gas. It's not made its
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: way across. You can keep it. You were so cute
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: but so stinky. How does that come from such a
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: tiny thing? Tiny cute things, silent but deadly, and he's
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: like asleep. Okay. As a rancher, she was not quite
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: as successful. She was really struggling. So this bartender convinces
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: her he's a very successful rancher in his past life.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: And he's out here bartending, I guess, and for fun.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but he has some tofals I needed
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: a human attraction. He's convinced her that he can really
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: get her where she wants to be with her cattle ranch.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: So all you have to do is give me access
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: to all your money, absolutely by marrying me, because that's
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: what I do at that point. And yep, now the
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: ranch is his, that's all signed over to him. Yep,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: all the money is his. He promptly within months, sells
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: the ranch, takes every single penny she has, and leaves town.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: She had absolutely nothing after all those years of what
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: she did as a single woman, avoiding marriage and all
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: its pitfalls for this reason. And Mary's one wrong guy
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: and he took everything. But Eleanor, being Eleanor, she did
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: not just let that slide. She went and took care
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: of business. She tracked him down and shoot him. She
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: sure did, yeah too, shots to the chest. Okay, okay,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: I'm getting ahead of myself. I got to keep my
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: pants on, but please tell me the story. She tracked
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: him down and personally shot him. That was the next
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: sentence of my story. So you got it twice in
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: the chest. Sorry, I don't mean to sound so gleeful
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: over somebody murdering somebody else, but well, you sound like
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: maybe the sheriff of that town, because he was, like,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: I think he deserved it. She was never arrested. The
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: sheriff said, no witnesses, no evidence, and no one admitting
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: to it, so no arrest all right. Also he deserved it.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: So she went back to Nevada City without a husband
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: and without a single dime. She was not able to
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: recoup the money that he took. I don't know what
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: happened to it. She shoots him and that's the end,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: and she is destitute and broke. So despite her revenge
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: and retribution, she is not She's covered her loss. Yeah,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: and so he's dead and so are her finances. So
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: what come becomes of her? Well, we're gonna find out
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: after the break. Oh man, Yeah, me all worked it.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: I know. I feel like a really good television show
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: where they leave you on a cliffhangers. So we'll see
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: you when you get back. Welcome back. I hope the
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: ads we left you with were as adventurous as this episode. Yes,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: if you're in the Pacific Northwest. I'm thinking about what
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: they've been playing. So it's a lot of commercials for
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: b e c U. Nice, I love the ecy. They'll
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: be like three commercials for b ECU and randomly one week,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: even though I'm in Washington, I was getting all these
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: advertisements for utility companies in Alaska. Oh, it's the Northwest. Sure,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: if I ever moved to Alaska, I will know what
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: you know. Tape options, cable service provider to go with.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Got it? Yeah, Well, if you're Wonderingor was never able
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: to really get back, get her feetback under her, with
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: everything that she'd worked so hard for gone, she returned
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: to what she knew and was successful in. She set
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: up a brothel. This time, so Eleanor picks up her
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: stuff and heads this time to Bannock, Montana. And this
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: time she took up a little bit of a different establishment.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: This time she went for the sex work okay, and
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: she set up a brothel where the women were dressed
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: in high end clothing. They were dressed to the nines,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: their hair perfect, their makeup perfect, they were bathed. These
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: were high class, more than one dress, in more than
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: one dress, and she expected again like her other establishments,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: that the men that entertained themselves there would behave a
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: certain way. She had really high standards for this. She
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: did take her the ladies, I guess when business was slow,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: put them in her little with a on her on
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: a wagon a carriage, and drove them through town, showing
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: off her and how beautiful they were and drying a
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: tract attention so to get customers a little billboard. So
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: I just picked up this book. I think it's called
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Like Doves of the West, and it's about prostitution in
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: the West. And they were saying, yeah, that was there
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: was like very There were several different levels of houses
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: that sex workers worked out, right, So you had your
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: really upperclass ones like this, where the women were well based,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: they were well mannered, they were educated, and men went
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: there and had companionship and titillating conversation. They were intelligent women, yes,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: And then they got that at the end. And so
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: this is where the upperclassmen would go. And then you
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: had your next one down that was not quite as fancy,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: but still maybe those women had more, like I keep
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: saying more than one dress, because that was one of
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: the things is that a lot of sex workers literally
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: had one dress, right that they would just continue to
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: mend over and over and over again and wash, and
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: then you went further down and further down. But that
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: is one thing that they did mention in this book
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: is that some of these establishments would put their most
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: attractive ladies in a wagon and take them around town.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: But they would also hold grand balls at their establishment
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: to show off the women and show off what a
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: well run place, wonderful crisis was for entertainment. Right. It
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: wasn't your it wasn't going to ruin your communities, it
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: wasn't going to bring the CD. It was a high
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: class version. Yet. And I guess another thing some of
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: these houses would do is they would take some of
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: their the women who worked there, and they would go
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: out to They would follow some of these mining communities
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: occasionally and just set up shop for like a couple
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: of weeks, make a bunch of money, and then go
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: back to their their house. Oh yeah, in their main town,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: which I kind of like Nevada. Now, yeah, I was
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: following someone on social media a couple ladies and that's
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, they're stay at home moms except for like
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: one week a month. Yeah, And they go work in
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: the bunny house and they come back and that supports
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: their entire family. Yeah, and then they can be amazing
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: mothers and support their kids, to be there for their
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: kids all the time. There's a lot of testing and
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: safety and all these things. Yeah, right, I have no
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: issue with it whatsoever. I don't either. I don't know
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: that I could do it, but I know that I
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: support it. I see the value in it, especially for
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: these moms they are They get to spend so much
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: quality time with their kids. Okay, so you were at
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: where she puts them in a wagon and prayed them around.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: I wonder if she started that because it was a
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: big deal for her. I didn't know other people had
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: done it in the next year because I have two
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: books on prostitution in the West, and so I think
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: the next year is going to be a lot of
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: stories of prostitution in the West for me, because it's fascinating.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: It is fascinating. All this survival stuff of the West
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: is fascinating to me. So many ways to have survived
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: and not survived. So she loaded them up, she drove
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: them around like a live billboard advertising the goods. And
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: this worked. It did tick off. The women in the
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: town now, the non sex, the wives, the mothers. They
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: did not enjoy this running through their town with thous
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: like Women's Temperance League sort of people. Yeah, but by
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: the late eighteen seventies, Eleanor's luck had run out. The
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: gambling scene had changed and she was getting older. People
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: weren't as eager to throw their money at her. So
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: in eighteen seventy nine she ended up in Bodie, California,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: one of the roughest mining towns of the time. She
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: tried to start up her usually usual gambling operation, but
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: it didn't work out, and she was broke alone and
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: out of options. She had been desperate for money since
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: she had lost it all to mister McKnight. In fact,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: she had never been able to recoup or get her
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: feet under her Even with her other ventures in Bannock, Montana.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: It was enough to stay alive, but she was never
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: filling her coffers like oh I had been before. Everything
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: had changed kind of we're getting past that era of life,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: and so the way she was making money wasn't as
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: profit Well. What year was this that she ended up
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: back in California. By the end, it's eighteen seventy nine. Okay, okay, Wow,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: that's all happened fast. Well, eighteen seventy Yeah, she went
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: from like she went from eighteen to fifty here, So
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: she leaves town at eighteen years old, and so she's
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: born in eighteen twenty nine, so she spends from eighteen
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: to forty eight all of these forty seven that she went. Yes,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: and so she's spent all of her up to fifty
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: years old doing this. Okay, but now it's all changed
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: a bit and she's not able to really fill her
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: bank account anymore. So now that she's in Bodie, she's
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: borrowed four hundred dollars from a well known gambler and
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: went out gambling one night. This is equivalent I think
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: to ten or twelve thousand dollars today. Okay, So he
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: loaned her this money. She's a well established winning gambler,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: so the odds were good that he would get his
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: money back, but unfortunately she did not. She lost every
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: bit of that in one evening and now she was destitute.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: She had nothing, in fact, owed four hundred dollars. Now
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: she walked to the local emporium, she purchased morphine. She
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: acquired her favorite bottle of red wine, and she went
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: out a mile from town, sat under a tree, took
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: the morphine and drank the bottle of wine. A goat
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: herd her found her the next day, her head laying
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: on a rock, her body laying there quietly, and a note,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: and the note had admitted what she had done. She'd
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: purchased the morphine, drank the wine and said she was
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: just really tired of life. That's how I'd want to
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: go anyway, right now, That's what I was thinking, like,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: go to sleep. I'm so tired all the time. That's yes, right,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: And you know, narcotics such as morphine make you happy
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: on your way down, happy and happy, be happy to sleep,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: yep yep. So the next day people found out that
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: she had actually passed away and how, and they gave
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: her a proper burial. Turns out, even in death she
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: was highly respected. Some of the quotes from the locals,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: poor madam mustache. Her life was as square as a
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: game ever dealt. The world played again her with all
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: sorts of combinations, but she generally beat it. The turn
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: was called on her at last, for a few paltry hundreds,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: she missed the turn. None of the old boys were
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: there to cover her bet for her, and she passed
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: in her checks game to the last. Poor Madam Mustache,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: and she had the reputation of being honest in her
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: dealings and even always paying her debts. Upon this, she
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: prided herself and woe anyone to claim she did not
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: play fair. It is said that of the hundreds of
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: funerals held in the mining camp, that of Madam Mustache
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: was the largest. The gamblers of the place buried her
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: with all honors, and carriages were brought in from Carson City, Nevada,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: a distance of one hundred and twenty miles to attend
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: her funeral. It's a long way to go by horse,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: yes it is. And for that, like you're going there
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: to honor her, you're not going to come home with money.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: You're not going to come home with money. It cost
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: you money to go, Yeah, a lot and time. Yeah,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty miles. In that era, it's not
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: an air fine fight in the one back. That's a
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: couple of days ride. Yeah, So that's it. Eleanor Dumont
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: an absolute legend of the West. She was too smart,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: too independent, and too ahead of her time for the
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: world she lived in. So what are your thoughts, Shay,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Oh amazing. I know I loved it. I love hearing
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: these stories about women that made a life for themselves
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: and made a business like this in a man's world, right,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: and just the perseverance and the strength and the quality
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: of character. And it just sucks that she unfortuately was
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: a band that took her down, right. Yeah, Like she
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: was so careful all the way up to that was
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: the tipping point. He must have been quite convincing, this
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: is I was thinking he must have done a really,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: he must have been charming and convincing for her to
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: have fallen for that. She had been amongst men, yeah,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: this whole time she'd beaten them in card games and business.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: He worked for her, right, So yeah, maybe there was
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: a level of trust she had in him, an intimacy
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: of you know, yeah, of friendship that he was able
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: to take advantage of. Right. He convinced her that they were,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: you know, in love, and that was not the case. No,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: she one got by, a sneaky one got by. She
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: managed to keep them at bay. And well, I mean,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: so problem is, as you get older, you started gett
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: even more insecurities, right, and i'd imagine, you know, as
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: you're getting closer to fifty. She wasn't quite fifty at
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: that time. She died at fifty forty nine to fifty.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: She could see that, you know, as we all do.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: And just like the movie I was talking about, you're
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: just let women become less valuable as we age. Yeah,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: unfortunately in society, our value goes down as we age. Yep,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: it's true. And she had seen that and was trying
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: to get ahead of that, like she did everything else,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: and come up with another way to make money and
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: keep herself you know funded. Yeah, and turns out she
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: wasn't good at that one task, so she tried another
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: way to do it, and it was the wrong choice.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: That's a shame. That was a great story. I absolutely
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: love it. This is why when I was reading it,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yes, this is why we do
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: this podcast. I love these stories. Yes, this is like
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: the excitement for a story that I feel like we've
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: been maybe searching for for the last couple of months. Yeah.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: When we're trying to deal with you know, sometimes we
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: have to block out the external world, right, yes, right now,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: I think since November we've both been a little bit
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: down in a ditch of despair. It's hard to talk
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: about history without talking about politics. Yeah, and politics are
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: rough right now. Yes, so there no matter what in
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: that story, there's politics somewhere right, there's societal roles, there's
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: all of these things just still trouble us today. Yeah,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: And it's hard to talk about them and not refer
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: to well, especially when you think about, you know, the
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: suffrage movement that has worked for decades to try to
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: advance women's station in life, to try to be more
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: of an even playing field. And it's been decades of
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: hard work and blood and sweat and tears, and things
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: have happened in the last couple of years that have
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: pushed it back, oh decade significantly, and that's really disheartening.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: It's disheartening, and it feels to me, I know I've
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: talked to you about this, that I feel like I
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: need to take action somewhere. I owe it to those women.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: I was born in a time, born in a time
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: where it was not legal for a woman to have
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: her own bank account, that a man had to be
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: on that as a signer. That's in my lifetime and
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: the only reason I can have a bank account on
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: my own. I don't, but I can is because of them,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: And I feel like sitting here doing nothing is such
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: a slap in their face. They were out in those streets,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: they were out with those signs. They were getting ridiculed
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: by people in their societies, ostracized, they were getting arrested
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: and having to pay bail and any legal things that
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: come from it. And I'm sitting here basking in the
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: sun of the rewards of that and doing nothing to
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: protect it. Right, shame. Well, we can highlight stories of
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: women who rose above their quote unquote station in life
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: to do things that normally men would do. Yep, that's right,
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: and remember them. Yep, that's right. It is one thing
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: we can do, at least with this podcast. And she
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: did it with good in mind. She wasn't in there
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: going I'm going to get rich in the gambling scene
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: by scamming people, getting people so drunk, I'm steal their money,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: offering people who are winning too much. Here, I'm going
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: to do this on the up and up, and I'm
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: going to do a good job and I'm going to
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: make money. And she did. Yeah, amazing story. Thank you
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: for sticking a mustache up your nose for it too.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. Yes, I couldn't wait. Actually it
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: was in my pocket. I turned to do something and
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: looked up and she has this mustache on her face.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: I'd lost my scrap. Well, thank you so much everyone
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: for hanging in there with us. Really appreciate you guys,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: all the people that are still continuing to listen to
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: us and are listening to our episodes every week when
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: they come back, when they come out. We really really
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: appreciate that. It really means so much to us. Really
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: appreciate all the people that reach out to us. Like
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: this week, a listener named Laura reached out and said
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: that she has just signed her mom and herself up
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: from my April nineteenth Stadium High School tour, and then
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: she followed us on the social media's and we've been
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: messaging back and forth. And I want to also thank
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: the Live Laugh Larceny podcast Oh Yes Yes, which a
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: couple weeks ago featured my listener's story on their podcast
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: about it's a must listen. It's a must listen. It
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: is a little bit of me bringing my shame to life,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: my gut issues to life. Shamed dies and light. It
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: lives in the dark, so put it out there. Hey,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: everybody poops, everybody has had stomach issues at some point.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: So if you're wondering, so go listen to Live Laugh Larceny.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: It's it was the episode. I think it was entitled.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Now that's what I call Listeners Stories. Now, that's what
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: I call listeners Stories album three or something like remember that.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: That's now that's what I call pop music three. You know,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: the right. That's how they set it up. Very funny.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: They are so good. They took that story with limited
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: information that I gave them and they made it perfect.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: The chef's kiss. The only thing they got wrong is
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: chicken fried steak is not chicken, But that's okay. I
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: still like the way they did it, where you're like
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: mother and child come together on the plate. I know,
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: I've always thought of this, and when they said it,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: I was like, I was I thought the only one,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: only one that I thought this was like morbid. I'm like,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: first of all, and chicken nothing, no, it's it's but
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: that's fine. Other than that, everything else and egg and
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: then fry it. And I'm always like, oh, that's that's
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: that's my cop that's yes, well, and then if you
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: served it on a plate with eggs too, it's weird.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: But they did an amazing job. And I love their podcast.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: If you need something light to listen to, that's just
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: gonna make you laugh. They do an amazing job. Love
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Live Life Lay and they are friends with our friends
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Caitlin and Cassie Fromicides, who we will actually be. We're
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: going on a pod Gal's trip here and by the
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: time this comes out, we'll probably be about to take
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: off on it, and we are going down to Portland.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: We're gonna go on the Shanghai Tunnel Tour, which we're
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: very excited, and we're kind of scared because I'm scared
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: of being shanghaied, even though it's a term we're not
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: really supposed to use anymore. Oh really, dang it, you're
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: gonna have to fill me in. Yeah, I mean, it's
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: again a racist term, see, and I feel like it's
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: a defensive to those shanghaiing people. But apparently it was
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: only because the people were being kidnapped to be sold
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: to Oh you, indentured servants on ships that were trading
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: with China, got you. That's why it was called that gotcha.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: So what do we call it? Then? Just keeping that
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: doesn't seem like good in a h stronger verbiage. I
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: don't know, but we're gonna do that. We're gonna stay
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: at the Crystal Hotel. Oh yes, I've're gonna stay there,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: but I've been there. We're going to do lots of
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: fun things. Who knows what adventures that weekend. It's just
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: one night. Oh, we're gonna go stay in Astoria. Oh yes, yes,
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: and we're going to go to the Astoria underground shops
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: that are I had no idea existed. I'm very excited.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: I know we've been there and did not even there's
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: so many times had no idea this existed. It looks amazing.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: So guys, if you want to hear more stories about
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: amazing women from the West, why don't you email me
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: with your ideas. I love hearing from you, guys. Shay
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: as h Ea at Rainy Day rabbit Holes dot com.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: You can reach out to us through the website, but
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: I might be slower to respond that way because it
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: gives me a message that I have a message, and
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: I go check the message. I'd rather just check the message,
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: email me directly and then please if you can follow
• 45:18
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• 45:23
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• 45:25
  Speaker 1: star review. Somebody has left a one star review, but
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: they didn't put a review in with it. They just
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: gave us one star rating. And there's somebody who left
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: us a two star rating, and I'm very upset. Well, yeah,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: give us some feedback, Yeah, give us feedback. Everybody else
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: has been five stars. Nice. So we have a four
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: point six rating, which I think is for good. That's
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: not bad, that's really good considering the really low Yes,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: they can really take it down. Yeah, it's probably have
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: a lot of good. They were probably being too political, probably,
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: but again it's so hard to do right now, I
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: think that there's I'm not I think we're past the
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: point of being precious about it. No, like not having
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: a side at this point, about this point, we can't
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: not air our opinions to a point. So because people
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: are being harmed, ye, and that makes us sad. So anyway,
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: it's weird. Good people, good people, and we don't like
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: bad things happening to good people, right, Okay, and that's it,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: all right? Well, thank you guys. Remember, you can find
• 46:24
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• 46:28
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• 46:30
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