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Mega Edition: The Portland Serial Killer (9/26/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. Six
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  Speaker 1: women have been found dead near Portland in less than
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  Speaker 1: three months. Most of them have been found in woods
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  Speaker 1: and secluded areas. Now there's a concern that there's a
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  Speaker 1: serial killer preying on these women in the Portland area
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  Speaker 1: and then disposing of their bodies outside of the city.
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  Speaker 1: And so far, the police have been relatively tight-lipped about
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  Speaker 1: what's going on. Now, obviously, this has not been confirmed
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  Speaker 1: that it is a serial killer, but I hate to
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  Speaker 1: say that it has all the hallmarks of what we
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  Speaker 1: usually do see in serial killings. So, let's get into
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  Speaker 1: this article from Oregon Live, and let's see what they
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  Speaker 1: have for us. Headline, Six Women Found Dead in Near
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  Speaker 1: Oregon in Less Than Three Months, Most Insecluded Wooded Areas.
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  Speaker 1: This article was authored by Catalina Gaitan.
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  Speaker 2: Six women.
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  Speaker 1: most with connections to the greater Portland area, and all
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  Speaker 1: under the age of 40, have been found dead within
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  Speaker 1: 100 miles of each other in the past three months,
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  Speaker 1: most in wooded or secluded rural areas. Now, one of
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  Speaker 1: the women were found a little bit further away than
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  Speaker 1: the other women, but most of these women were found
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  Speaker 1: within 20, 40 miles of Portland, and they're all connected
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  Speaker 1: to Portland, meaning they were picked up in Portland probably,
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  Speaker 1: and transported out to these wooded areas, these secluded areas,
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  Speaker 1: where this sick maniac killed them. And that means this person,
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  Speaker 1: if it is a serial killer, has a hunting ground.
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  Speaker 1: It is unclear what, if anything, connects the women's deaths
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  Speaker 1: and disappearances, which are being investigated by the Portland Police
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  Speaker 1: Bureau and Sheriff's Offices in Multnomah, Polk, Clark, and Clackamas Counties.
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  Speaker 1: And if you notice here, with the bodies being dropped
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  Speaker 1: in different counties, what the killer is hoping for is
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  Speaker 1: that there isn't communication between these police departments, and it
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  Speaker 1: makes it more difficult for the killer to get caught.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why the shrewdest of the serial killers, they
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  Speaker 1: never kill in the same place twice. All of the
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  Speaker 1: women were believed to have lived in or frequented Oregon.
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  Speaker 1: Two bodies were found on the same day, and two
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  Speaker 1: of the women were found dead less than three miles
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  Speaker 1: apart in southeast Portland. So all of this is concerning.
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  Speaker 1: When you're looking at it from a clinical standpoint and
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  Speaker 1: trying to ascertain what went down here, it certainly looks
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  Speaker 1: like there's somebody preying on these women. Now, we're going
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  Speaker 1: to have to wait for more details, obviously. We're going
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  Speaker 1: to have to wait for more context. But It's certainly very,
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  Speaker 1: very concerning when you look at what happened here. And then,
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  Speaker 1: of course, you start digging a little bit deeper, going
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  Speaker 1: to message boards from the city of Portland, go to
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  Speaker 1: Reddit pages, and there has been a lot of talk
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  Speaker 1: about somebody preying on people in Portland. So the locals
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  Speaker 1: are completely hip to what's going on, and they're ringing
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  Speaker 1: the alarm bells. This has all the hallmarks of a
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  Speaker 1: real sick, disgusting, deranged individual. Portland Police Spokesperson Sergeant Kevin
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  Speaker 1: Allen said the police bureau has been fielding questions about
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  Speaker 1: the six deaths, but can only speak about the two
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  Speaker 1: it's investigating. So look again, when you have different agencies
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  Speaker 1: investigating these murders, a lot of times there's not communication
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  Speaker 1: going on between the local law enforcement agencies of different counties.
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  Speaker 1: And you see that here by Mr. Allen's comment. He
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  Speaker 1: says that he's fielding questions about the six deaths, but
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  Speaker 1: he can only speak about the two that he's investigating
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  Speaker 1: in his county. Now, is this just a coincidence that
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  Speaker 1: these bodies were spread out in several different counties, or
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  Speaker 1: was it a calculated move on the behalf of whoever
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  Speaker 1: killed them? That's the question that has to be sorted out.
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  Speaker 1: And here's a timeline of when the women were found.
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  Speaker 1: February 19th, Kristen Smith, 22, of Gresham. Smith was reported
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  Speaker 1: missing December 22nd. Portland police officers responded February 19th to
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  Speaker 1: the report of human remains found in a wooded area
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  Speaker 1: near Southeast Deardorff Road and Flavel Street in Southeast Portland's
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  Speaker 1: Pleasant Valley neighborhood. The police bureau identified the body as
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  Speaker 1: Smith on May 25th. Officers and county investigators searched the
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  Speaker 1: area for evidence and the Multnomah County Medical Examiner has
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  Speaker 1: not yet determined a cause of death, police said. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: they've determined it. They're just not releasing it. And by
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  Speaker 1: the behavior of the police here, the investigators, it's leading
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  Speaker 1: me to believe that this is a serial killer and
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  Speaker 1: they're treating it as such. Again, they have not released
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  Speaker 1: those details that would link these killings together. And it's
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  Speaker 1: purely speculation on my part at this point. But when
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  Speaker 1: you try and put the pieces together here and you
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  Speaker 1: look at the puzzle that's on the table and you
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  Speaker 1: start building it from the corners in, it certainly starts
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  Speaker 1: to reveal a very disturbing picture. And then the history
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  Speaker 1: of the Pacific Northwest and serial killers comes into play. Well,
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  Speaker 1: that certainly would fit with history, considering how many serial
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  Speaker 1: killers have been active from this part of the country.
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  Speaker 1: April 8th, Joanna Speaks, 32 of Oregon. Police and firefighters
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  Speaker 1: in Clark County found Speaks dead inside a barn on
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  Speaker 1: April 8th at an abandoned property in Ridgefield, Washington, about
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  Speaker 1: 22 miles north of Portland. Officials responded just before 6 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: to a report of a dead person at a property
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  Speaker 1: near the 800 block of South 5th Street in Ridgefield.
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  Speaker 1: The county medical examiner determined Speaks died of blunt head
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  Speaker 1: and neck injuries. The Clark County Sheriff's Office is investigating
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  Speaker 1: the death as a homicide and said Speaks' body was
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  Speaker 1: moved to the location where it was found. And again,
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  Speaker 1: that's a disturbing thought. Does this sicko have some sort
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  Speaker 1: of lair where he's killing these women and then moving
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  Speaker 1: them to the sites where he's dropping them? That way
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  Speaker 1: he has, you know, utter privacy while he's doing it?
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  Speaker 1: That's some scary shit to think about. We're talking about
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  Speaker 1: like some Buffalo Bill style shit right there. April 24th,
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  Speaker 1: Charity Lynn Perry, 24 years old. Multnomah County Sheriff's deputies
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  Speaker 1: found Perry's body shortly after 1.30 p.m. on April 24th
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  Speaker 1: in a culvert in East Historic Columbia River Highway and
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  Speaker 1: Northeast Tumult Road near Ainsworth State Park in East Multnomah County.
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  Speaker 1: The sheriff's office has not released additional information citing an
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  Speaker 1: ongoing suspicious death investigation. You know what that means. They
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  Speaker 1: know what's up. And the police department doesn't want to
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  Speaker 1: cause a panic, A. And B, they don't want to
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  Speaker 1: tip their hand to whoever the suspect is that they
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  Speaker 1: might be on to him. And looking at the time
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  Speaker 1: frame here between all of the deaths, it looks like
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  Speaker 1: this dude's cool down period is becoming a lot shorter.
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  Speaker 1: And a lot of times, that's when these serial killers
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  Speaker 1: get caught. They become less disciplined, they have less of
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  Speaker 1: a cool-down period, and eventually, they make a mistake and
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  Speaker 1: they get nailed. And with technology the way it is today,
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  Speaker 1: it's a lot more difficult to get away with stuff
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  Speaker 1: than it was back in the day. Perry, 24, was
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  Speaker 1: frequently seen near Southwest Washington Street and 4th Avenue in
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  Speaker 1: downtown Portland at the beginning of March, the sheriff's office said.
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  Speaker 1: The area is home to the Washington Center building, the
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  Speaker 1: site of a former open-air fentanyl market that was cleared
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  Speaker 1: by police earlier in April after 11 people overdosed in
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  Speaker 1: one night in that area, three fatally. Sounds like a
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  Speaker 1: hell of a place, huh? And imagine it was 11
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  Speaker 1: people who were shot in there and three of them died.
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  Speaker 1: It would be national headlines. They'd be going crazy. But
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  Speaker 1: because it's overdose deaths, because it happens to be people
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  Speaker 1: addicted to fentanyl, let's just shrug our shoulders and keep
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  Speaker 1: it moving.
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  Speaker 2: Talk about absolutely gross. April 24th.
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  Speaker 1: Unidentified woman. Officials found a woman dead April 24th near
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  Speaker 1: Interstate 205 and Southeast Flavel Street in Southeast Portland's Lentz neighborhood,
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  Speaker 1: less than three miles from where Smith's body was found,
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  Speaker 1: and the same day officials found Perry's body in East
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  Speaker 1: Multnomah County. And if this is a serial killer, he
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  Speaker 1: certainly has been a very, very busy boy. The Multnomah
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  Speaker 1: County Medical Examiner's Office is seeking the public's help in
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  Speaker 1: identifying the woman, who was possibly Native American or Native
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  Speaker 1: Alaskan between the ages of 25 and 40, county officials said.
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  Speaker 1: She had black, medium-length hair, was just over 5 feet tall,
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  Speaker 1: weighed 135 pounds, and had two large scars on her
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  Speaker 1: left lower leg. Officials say the woman had two noticeable tattoos,
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  Speaker 1: a black music note with the letter V on the
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  Speaker 1: left of her upper chest and a depiction of Buddha
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  Speaker 1: on her right upper back. The woman was found wearing
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  Speaker 1: rings and bracelets, a green long-sleeved shirt, a black and
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  Speaker 1: white zip-up jacket, jeans, and black and white Adidas cleats.
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  Speaker 2: Cleats?
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  Speaker 1: That's a little weird. Why would somebody be wearing cleats?
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  Speaker 1: Maybe if that's the only shoes they can get their
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  Speaker 1: hands on. But any other reason, I don't see why
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  Speaker 1: you'd be rocking some cleats under normal circumstances. Was she
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  Speaker 1: coming home from some sort of sporting event when this
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  Speaker 1: scumbag snatched her?
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  Speaker 2: Who knows?
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  Speaker 1: All that we know is that her body has been
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  Speaker 1: found and she's not identified yet. Nobody knows who she is.
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  Speaker 1: And that means somewhere family members have no idea that
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  Speaker 1: this poor lady is dead.
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  Speaker 2: April 30th.
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  Speaker 1: Bridget Leanne Ramsey Webster, 31, of Milwaukee. Officials found Webster's
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  Speaker 1: body shortly before 2.30 p.m.
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  Speaker 2: On April 30th.
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  Speaker 1: On Harmony Road near Mill Creek in northwest Polk County.
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  Speaker 1: She was known to frequent the Portland metro area, particularly Portland,
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  Speaker 1: Oregon City, and Milwaukee, according to Polk County Sheriff's Office,
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  Speaker 1: which is investigating the death as suspicious. May 7th, Ashley Reel.
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  Speaker 1: 22 of Portland. Real disappeared March 27th in southeast Portland
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  Speaker 1: and was last seen leaving a fast food restaurant in
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  Speaker 1: the 1200 block of southeast Division Street, Portland police said.
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  Speaker 1: On May 7th, a man fishing at a pond in
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  Speaker 1: the 2900 block of southeast Judd Road in the Eagle
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  Speaker 1: Creek area called 911 after seeing human remains in the
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  Speaker 1: heavily wooded area. The Clackamas County Sheriff's Office identified the
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  Speaker 1: body May 31st as reals and is investigating.
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  Speaker 2: It as a suspicious death. So as you can see.
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  Speaker 1: Here, folks, a very concerning scenario is unfolding in the
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  Speaker 1: Portland area. And all signs seem to point that there's
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  Speaker 1: a serial killer active and responsible for all of these deaths.
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  Speaker 1: As of right now, information is pretty limited as far
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  Speaker 1: as this case goes. But I plan on spending a
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  Speaker 1: large chunk of today trying to get as much information
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  Speaker 1: as we possibly can about the investigation and what's going
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  Speaker 1: on up in Portland. So we're going to have more
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  Speaker 1: updates for sure as the information comes in. All right, everybody,
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  Speaker 1: that's going to do it for this one. All of
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  Speaker 1: the information that goes with the episode can be found
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  Speaker 1: in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome back
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  Speaker 1: to the program. So we're learning a little bit more
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  Speaker 1: about some of the women who were found murdered outside
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  Speaker 1: of Portland. And one of the women's sisters has went
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  Speaker 1: on the record several times speaking to the media, and
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  Speaker 1: she says, just like the expert we heard from in
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  Speaker 1: the last episode, that the police in Portland are trying
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  Speaker 1: to keep people from freaking out, and that they believe,
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  Speaker 1: or at least she thinks they believe, that there's a
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  Speaker 1: serial killer at work. So... Let's get to this article
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  Speaker 1: from the Daily Mail and let's get a little more
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  Speaker 1: context about what's going on here. Headline, Sister of murdered
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  Speaker 1: Portland woman says cops are trying to keep the public
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  Speaker 1: from being freaked out about a serial killer after six
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  Speaker 1: female bodies are found within 100 miles of each other
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  Speaker 1: in the space of three months. This article was authored
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  Speaker 1: by Emma James. The sister of a woman found dead
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  Speaker 1: in Portland has warned that the numbers are rising and
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  Speaker 1: after six bodies have been found in just three months.
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  Speaker 1: Joanna Speaks, 32, was found in a rural area of
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  Speaker 1: Oregon within 100 miles of the other five women who
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  Speaker 1: were discovered dead in suspicious circumstances, sparking fears of a
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  Speaker 1: serial killer. She is the only one to have been
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  Speaker 1: officially ruled as a homicide, with a medical examiner saying
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  Speaker 1: she had signs of blunt force trauma to the head
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  Speaker 1: and neck. And they also said that she was moved
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  Speaker 1: from the place she was killed and put into this barn.
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  Speaker 1: So even if there's not a serial killer, there's a
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  Speaker 1: sicko out there who killed this woman and put her
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  Speaker 1: in this barn, right? And according to the police, well,
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  Speaker 1: that person isn't responsible for any of those other deaths.
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  Speaker 1: How they've determined that, I don't know, but that's what
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  Speaker 1: they say. Her sister Robin told News Nation's Banfield that
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  Speaker 1: authorities have been very helpful in her sister's case, adding
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  Speaker 1: that women are dying. She said, I think that they,
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  Speaker 1: the police, are trying to make sure that they keep
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  Speaker 1: the public from being too freaked out about a serial killer.
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  Speaker 1: Either way, women are dying and the numbers are rising.
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  Speaker 1: I'm also curious to see what sort of impact this
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  Speaker 1: coverage has on the person, if there is a serial killer,
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  Speaker 1: who is committing these crimes. Is it going to accelerate
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  Speaker 1: their thirst for murder knowing that the whole entire nation
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  Speaker 1: is paying attention or is it going to cause them
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  Speaker 1: to pull back and reevaluate what they're doing because remember
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  Speaker 1: the whole reason why you would choose a vulnerable population
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  Speaker 1: is so that you don't get caught if you were
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  Speaker 1: somebody that wasn't worried about getting caught per se well
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  Speaker 1: you wouldn't choose a vulnerable population you choose target of
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  Speaker 1: interest or whatever but when you're going after these vulnerable
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  Speaker 1: people One of the main reasons is because the killer
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  Speaker 1: knows that they don't have the connections to the community
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  Speaker 1: that a regular person would have. Checking in with their family,
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  Speaker 1: they have to go to work, they're missing doctor's appointments.
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  Speaker 1: People start to take notice of that. But if you're
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  Speaker 1: in a vulnerable class, you're a hooker, you're a prostitute, well,
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  Speaker 1: people really don't care. And that's just the cold hard
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  Speaker 1: truth of it, folks. How many times have we seen it?
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  Speaker 1: How many cases have we seen over and over again?
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  Speaker 1: Look at the West Mesa murders. 11 prostitutes found dead
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  Speaker 1: in a burial ground and nobody was ever caught. How
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  Speaker 1: about the Long Island serial killer? Who did he prey on?
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  Speaker 1: That's right, vulnerable women. And you can go down the list.
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  Speaker 1: And whenever you hear from these serial killers, when they
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  Speaker 1: give interviews, well, they say that. Look, we attack vulnerable
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  Speaker 1: class because we know that nobody is looking for them.
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  Speaker 1: They're on the very fringes of society. They're on the margins.
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  Speaker 1: And more times than not, their story is going to
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  Speaker 1: slip through the cracks. But thankfully, that's not happening here.
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  Speaker 1: So I wonder if that's going to have any sort
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  Speaker 1: of effect on this person, if in fact there is
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  Speaker 1: a serial killer. Joanna, a mother of three, was a
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  Speaker 1: recovering drug addict and was found dead in a barn
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  Speaker 1: on April 8th, shortly after she vanished.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there it is.
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  Speaker 1: Remember we were talking about looking for some context? Well,
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  Speaker 1: now we have a little bit of context, at least
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  Speaker 1: about Joanna. And my guess is we're going to hear
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  Speaker 1: the same about.
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  Speaker 2: The other women.
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  Speaker 1: Because these pieces of shit, these serial killer types, they
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  Speaker 1: certainly have a profile that they look for. And just
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  Speaker 1: looking at the pictures of these ladies and reading through
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  Speaker 1: some of their social media, it certainly looked like they
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  Speaker 1: were existing right around the margins of society. Police say
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  Speaker 1: that her body had been moved to the location where
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  Speaker 1: she was found once she had been killed. So does
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  Speaker 1: that sound like a drug deal gone bad? Some junkie
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  Speaker 1: kills her in a rage and then decides, oh, I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to drive her out of town?
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  Speaker 2: This is calculated.
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  Speaker 1: This is somebody who decided after he killed her that
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  Speaker 1: he was going to take her to this specific place
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  Speaker 1: to leave her body for whatever reason. And whenever you
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  Speaker 1: have a situation where a body is being moved from
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  Speaker 1: a kill site to a burial site, that certainly concerns me.
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  Speaker 1: All six women were found in discarded barns on the
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  Speaker 1: side of the road or hidden among bushes, with the
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  Speaker 1: first found on February 19th and the most recent.
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  Speaker 2: On May 7th.
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  Speaker 1: Other than Joanna, police have remained tight-lipped about the cause
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  Speaker 1: of death of the other five women.
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  Speaker 2: And you know what? That is an issue, right?
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  Speaker 1: If they have proof that there's no serial killer here,
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  Speaker 1: like they say, then be very upfront. Let everybody know
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  Speaker 1: the deal and let people keep moving. But either way,
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  Speaker 1: even if there's no serial killer, the person who killed
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  Speaker 1: Joanna and moved her to this barn is obviously a
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  Speaker 1: danger to the community, right? So I don't know how
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  Speaker 1: they could say, oh, there's no danger here.
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  Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. There's obviously a murderer.
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  Speaker 1: Running around right now, and you have no idea who
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  Speaker 1: or where that person is. So how can you say
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  Speaker 1: that there's no threat? At the very least, put out
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  Speaker 1: a threat to the marginalized community and let them know
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  Speaker 1: that there's a predator out there. Robin added that her
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  Speaker 1: sister was fun and excited about life, but struggled with
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  Speaker 1: addiction and homelessness. She said the police have not said
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  Speaker 1: anything to us about linking them, but we do know
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  Speaker 1: that some of the other girls have that kind of demographic.
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  Speaker 1: We're reaching out to the families of the other women,
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  Speaker 1: and we have had a lot of tips from the community.
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  Speaker 1: And we are feeding everything we get to detectives so
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  Speaker 1: nothing goes unseen or unheard. And this sort of thing
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  Speaker 1: right here that you're seeing from Joanna's sister is the
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  Speaker 1: kind of thing that makes investigations move forward. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of times, these marginalized women, they don't have anyone speaking
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  Speaker 1: on their behalf. And unfortunately, without someone advocating for you
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  Speaker 1: or to find out what happened to you, and you're
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  Speaker 1: a marginalized person, it gets swept to the back of
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  Speaker 1: the room. But with Miss Speaks here speaking out about
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  Speaker 1: her sister's death, and talking about contacting the other families
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  Speaker 1: and all of that, my guess is that if there
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  Speaker 1: is a serial killer, if there is more here, then
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  Speaker 1: the police department isn't going to be able to keep
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  Speaker 1: that under wraps for too much longer, especially if another
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  Speaker 1: woman is killed. Three local police departments are working together
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  Speaker 1: to see if the deaths may be connected, though it
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: is currently unclear if or how they are linked. Paul Holes,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: an investigator who assisted with identifying the Golden State Killer
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: and his arrest, has warned that the victims were in
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: a vulnerable population. Speaking to Banfield, he said, Victimology is huge.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: It sounds like some of these victims were in a
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: vulnerable population. And right now, in my experience, that population
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: is where the predators are going because they are trying
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: to find victims in order to be able to satisfy
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: their own needs. Oftentimes, even very experienced homicide investigators have
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: never worked that type of case. There are some subtleties
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: that the offender may be leaving behind across multiple cases
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: that are being missed.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: He added that the cops.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: need to find something that connects the killings and said
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: that authorities are typically ill-prepared for serial killer cases, 100%.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: And they'll do everything to try and deny the fact
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: that there's a serial killer active. And look, I'm not
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: saying that there's a serial killer for sure preying on
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: women in Portland. but all the signs here are pointing
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: to that occurring. Kristen Smith, 22, was found on February
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: 19th after vanishing in late December. Her remains were found
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: in a wooded area near an intersection in Pleasant Valley.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Medical examiners have not yet ruled on a cause of
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: death and her family have been conducting their own searches
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: for her and set up a GoFundMe to help with expenses.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: On April 24th, Charity Perry, 24, was found dead near
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Ainsworth State Park, but officers have not released any further
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: information for fear of compromising their investigation. Now look, I
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: get that. If you're investigating a crime as a police department,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: then yeah, hold your cards close to the vest. But
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: there is a line to toe. And when there is
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: great fear in the community, you have to step up
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: and you have to give the community more details. We
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: saw the missteps in Idaho at the very beginning. how
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: bad the communication was, and how that led to a
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: fertile ground for conspiracy theories to pop up. And if
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: they're trying to avoid that here in Portland, then they
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: need to be forthright, and they need to be honest,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: even if it's terrible news. An unidentified woman was found
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: the same day as Perry, near an interstate, and authorities
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: say she is of Native American or Native Alaskan descent.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: She had two distinct tattoos, a black music note with
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: the letter V, and a Buddha on her right upper back.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: When she was found dead, she was wearing rings and bracelets,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: a green long-sleeved shirt, a black and white zip-up jacket, jeans,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: and a black and white Adidas cleats. That's a little
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: weird for me. Why are you wearing cleats? Again, that
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: points to me that she was somebody who was living
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: on the margins, and that's the only kind of footwear
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: she could get her hands on. And then the 10th
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: as well, you know, it doesn't take too much to
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: discern what happened to this woman probably, but these other deaths...
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Oh no, you're not going to write that off as
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: somebody who overdosed or something like that.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Not without proof, not at this point.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: On April 30th, Bridget Leanne Ramsey Webster, 31, was found
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: dead and was known to frequent central Portland, according to police.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: The final body that was found by police was Ashley Real, 22,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: whose remains were spotted by a fisherman in a heavily
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: wooded area in Eagle Creek on May 7th. She was
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: last seen on surveillance footage at a fast food restaurant
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: on March 27th. We are working diligently with those respective
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: law enforcement agencies to determine if these deaths are connected.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Our detectives are actively working every lead, including tips we
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: have received. Deputy John Plock of the Multnomah County Sheriff's
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Office told DailyMail.com. So look, with a story like this,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: I think the best way to go is to add
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: as much context as we possibly can. So as new
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: information becomes available in this story, we're definitely going to
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: add it to the catalog and keep the conversation going.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Because it certainly looks like there's something more going on
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: up here than the police are willing to admit. All right, folks,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: that's going to do it for this one. All of
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: the information that goes with the episode can be found
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome back
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: to the program. Yesterday, we were talking about the possibility
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: that there is a serial killer preying on women in Portland, Oregon. Well,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: now the Portland police say they have no reason to
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: believe that the deaths of the six women were connected. Now,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: does that mean that this is definitive and there's certainly
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: no serial killer active in the area?
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Not at all.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: A lot of times, these police agencies, they're very guarded
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: with that kind of information. And they're not going to
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: come out and say, oh, yeah, we're looking for a
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: serial killer. That's just not how they operate. Sometimes they
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: will if they have no leads or they're looking for
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: the public's help. But you have to remember that these
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: police agencies and the police in general are under no
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: obligation to tell you the truth. There's no standard set
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: forth in the Constitution that says the police have to
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: be forthcoming with information.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: To the public.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: So. They play that stuff real close to the vest
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: a lot of times when we're talking about a serial killer.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: And they don't want to cause a panic in the community.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Especially if the serial killer is only preying on the
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: vulnerable or people who don't have families, right? Because then
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: who cares? The police, well, they don't have to clear
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: those cases because nobody's going to make a stink about
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: some prostitutes going missing. And I'm not saying that these
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: girls are prostitutes.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: But we're talking about overall in general. And whenever you
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: have women who work in vulnerable jobs, prostitution, you know,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: they're drug addicts, whatever, the police and the authorities, they
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: backburner those cases, unfortunately. And most times that's because those
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: people are the folks that have slipped through the cracks, right?
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: They don't have anyone out there advocating for them. A
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: lot of times their families don't even know where they are.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: You know, somebody gets addicted to drugs or something like that,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: and they can lose contact with their family real quick.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: We're going through that shit right now as we speak.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: My girlfriend's brother has a drug addiction and the dude
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: is a great guy, but we can't be around him.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: He can't be around us because of his drug addiction.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: It's too much to deal with. It's too painful. And
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: me personally, I've been through it way too many times.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: With family members, my best friend on this whole entire
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: planet went from being the hardest dude on the face
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: of this earth to being a straight up crackhead. One
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: night we're hanging out, this dude shows up with a
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: whole ass shopping cart full of meat that he stole
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: from the store trying to sell it to us. We're
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: talking about childhood friends, man. We've been friends literally since
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: second grade. And that's what the drugs did to him.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Turned him into a fucking mush head who thought it
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: would be a good idea to come and try and
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: sell his two best friends in the whole entire world
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: some steaks. Knowing that we would have just given him
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: money if he wasn't on drugs. I would have given
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: him anything he wanted or needed, but the drugs turned
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: him into somebody I didn't want to be around. So
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: I had to make the hard ass decision to cut
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: him out of my life. Thankfully, after he did a
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: 10 year stint in prison and thankfully nowadays, he's all good.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: He did his bid in prison. He got out and
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: he's doing well for himself professionally. just bought himself a house,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: has custody of his kid. So there is a comeback story,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: but it's difficult. More times than not, these stories don't
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: have a happy ending. And that's because people who get
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: drug addictions, well, all the people that are close to
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: them are pushed away. And those people don't even know
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: that they're missing half the time. And that's a huge
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: reason why these serial killers, they prey on these vulnerable
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: populations of prostitutes, drug addicts, and indigents. And again, look,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that these girls are that. We don't
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: have enough information one way or the other to really
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: distinguish who is doing what and who is living what
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: kind of lifestyle. But generally speaking, when it's vulnerable people,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: vulnerable populations, the police backburner it And they go on
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: to other crimes that are more impactful, if you will,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: as far as pressure on the department. And I hope
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: that's not what's going on here. I hope that the
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Portland police aren't just trying to backburner this and say, oh, no,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: they're not connected because they have no idea what's going on.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Today's article is from the New York Post headline. Portland
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: police have no reason to believe deaths of six women
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: are connected to a possible serial killer. This article was
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: authored by Allie Griffin. The unsolved deaths of six women
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: whose remains were found in and around Portland, Oregon over
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: the past six months are not believed to be connected,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: nor the work of a serial killer, as suggested on
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: social media, officials said. And look, I am more than
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: willing to believe that. But you're going to have to
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: provide a little bit more. We're supposed to believe the
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Portland police of all police departments?
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Sorry.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Have you taken a look at their track record? Have
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: you taken a look at what a shithole Portland has become?
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: So I'm going to believe what the police have to
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: say here? Sorry, I need proof. And that's just where
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: I'm at. Look, I'm a trust but verify guy at
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: this point. Because every time you turn around, some news
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: agency or some sort of institution that's supposed to be
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: in a position of power is lying to us. The
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Portland Police Bureau has no reason to believe these six
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: cases are connected, the department said in a news release
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: addressing the online rumors on Sunday. The bodies of the
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: half-dozen women were found within 100 miles of each other
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: on the sides of roads, in woods, or in secluded
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: rural areas from February through March. So how do you
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: explain that? Seems to me quite a coincidence that all
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: of these women, six of them, were found dead. at
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: the side of the road, within 100 miles of Portland.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Is that something that happens up there all the time?
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Because if not, it would seem to me that this
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: is something that would seem connected. But we have to
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: remember that the police might have something behind the scenes
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: that is saying to them that these bodies, these women,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: and how they were found are obviously not the work
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: of the same person. And as usual, I remain agnostic
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: about the topic until we have more information. The bodies
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: of the half-dozen women were found within 100 miles of
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: each other on the sides of roads, in woods, or
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: in secluded rural areas from February through May. The causes
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: of death in a majority of the cases have not
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: been revealed, with one being ruled a homicide thus far,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: while some others have been considered suspicious. Look, how do
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: you get into a rural area on the side of
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: the road dead, okay? Were they walking from Portland all
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: the way to Seattle or something? I don't understand how
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: people would be in these rural areas and just die
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: on the side of the road. Did they overdose? Was
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: it natural causes? If so, is there something in the
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: water in Portland right now? Because that seems kind of
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: odd to me. All these months leading up to this,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Nobody found dead on the side of the road. Then
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: in a six month span, six women found dead on
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: the side of the road. OK, I guess if you
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: want to say there's no connection, Portland police, you're going
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: to have to release some information that backs that up
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: to give people some comfort. And again, I'm not saying
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: that there is a serial killer active here. I have
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: no idea. I'm not there. I wasn't around when these
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: women got picked up or murdered or whatever. But I'll
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: tell you this. A lot of times where there's smoke,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: there's fire. And one thing that I have learned in
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: the past five years of covering the news is a
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: lot of times agencies scramble, as far as police departments go,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: to try and put a happier face on things, especially
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: if they think they have a serial killer who's active.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Social media users have implied that the cases are connected
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: after multiple law enforcement agencies said they're in contact with
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: each other to see if there are any similarities among
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: the women's deaths, according to the PPB. And like I
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: said in that last episode, talking about this topic, a
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: lot of times serial killers, they'll do that. They'll drop
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: bodies in different counties, different districts. That way, The police
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: departments aren't in contact usually, and it makes it more
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: confusing to try and link.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Those bodies together.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Now here, obviously, they're all in communication talking about things,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: and I'm sure they're going to trade notes on the
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: state or status of the remains that they found. But
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: does that mean they're going to be honest with us,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: the public? Highly doubtful. Those discussions have led to some
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: anxiety and fear in our community, and we want to
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: provide reassurances that the speculation is not supported by the
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: facts available at this point, the Bureau said. So at
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: this point, the speculation is not supported by facts available
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: at this point. Remember, words matter. So whenever we hear
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: from a police department or a spokesperson for a police department,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: I'm always trying to look at what they really mean.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: And you see he says available at this point. Gives
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: himself the wiggle room here to go back and say
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: later on, well, at the point when I made that statement,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: we didn't have the evidence to connect.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: All of these bodies, yada, yada, yada.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Portland detectives are investigating the death of one of the
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: six women, 22-year-old Kristen Smith of Gresham, whose remains were
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: found in a wooded area in the Pleasant Valley neighborhood
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: on February 19th. She was reported missing nearly a month
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: earlier on December 22nd, 2022. The cause and manner of
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: her death is undetermined, according to the medical examiner. Let's
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: say for a minute that what the police are telling
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: us is true. and that these bodies are not connected.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Does that mean that there's multiple people out here preying
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: on women now? Or is there somebody who's responsible for
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: three of those bodies, not all six? Again, very uncomfortable
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: questions that have to be asked. And the authorities here,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: as much as they'd like to reassure the community, I
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: don't think they're doing that with this statement. And I
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: was doing a little bit of digging on social media,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: looking at some of the girls' pages on Facebook and elsewhere.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: And for Kristen Smith, reading through the few comments that
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: are available, it certainly seems like she was in an
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: abusive relationship with her boyfriend.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: So who knows? Maybe he was.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Involved in what happened to her. And it seems like
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: nobody can find that dude right now either. So again,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: we have to leave the headroom for other things.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: To occur here. But still.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: There are way too many questions that have to be answered,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: and there are way too many coincidences here for people
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: not to have suspicions. They're also assisting the Clackamas County
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Sheriff's Office with its investigation into the death of 22-year-old
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Ashley Real, who disappeared after she was last seen at
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: a Portland fast food restaurant on March 27th. Real's body
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: was discovered in a heavily wooded area in Eagle Creek
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: on May 7th.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Her death was determined.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: to be suspicious in nature, but investigators have not concluded
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: that she was the victim of a homicide. So she
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: leaves a fast food place and then goes to the woods?
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: What, for a walk?
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: What is she doing? Having a nature excursion? Going bird watching?
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: And she just happens to die in the wooded area?
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: Does that make sense to anybody else out there?
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Not me.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: The one woman who authorities said was murdered is Joanna Speaks,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: who vanished in late March. Her remains were found in
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: a rural area of Clark County, Washington on April 8th,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: and her cause of death was blunt force trauma to
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: the head. Her sister, Robin Speaks, told local station KGWA
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: that she was concerned about the number of missing women
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: being found in the area. And when the families have
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: these kinds of concerns, they should be taken seriously. And
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: hopefully the investigators are taking serious what the family has
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: to say. and following any leads that the family might
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: be able to produce.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: I don't want to ever.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Scare people, but reality is there are women dying at
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: awful numbers, Speaks said. The three other women whose deaths
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: have been grouped into the lot are Bridget Webster, who
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: was found dead on April 30th in Polk County, 24-year-old
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Charity Perry, whose body was discovered in Ainsworth State Park
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: on April 24th, and an unidentified native woman whose remains
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: were found inside of a tent on the side of
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: the road on April 24th. PPP said there is no
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: indication that foul play was suspected in the death of
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: the unidentified woman. And that one tracks with me. If
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: she was found inside of that tent, who knows, maybe
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: she overdosed, something like that. That one doesn't seem like
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: it's connected like these other ones seem to be. The
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: cause and manner of deaths of each woman... have not
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: been released. In total, five separate law enforcement agencies are
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: investigating the deaths, as nearly all occurred in different counties.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: PPB said that people should not draw conclusions based on
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: the law enforcement agencies working with one another to check
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: for similarities in the deaths. It is common investigative practice,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: whether it is retail theft, robbery, sexual assault, or murder cases,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: to consider possible connections to other cases both in and
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: out of our jurisdiction, PPB said. Like with all investigations
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: of this nature, we are routinely in contact with our
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: law enforcement partners, the Bureau continued. This has happened here,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: but that should not suggest a connection has been made.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: The agency asked community members to learn the facts about
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: these cases before sharing speculation. Well, how about you share
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: some facts with the population so that they don't have
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: to speculate? But they don't do that. They won't be transparent.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: They'll say it's an ongoing investigation. And I'll tell you what,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: for me, one of the first things I do whenever
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: there's a story like this is I go to the forum.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: on Reddit or a local forum in Portland. And I
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: read what the people are saying, the actual people living there.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: And it seems to me from the forums I've been
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: on that the people of Portland believe that there's a
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: serial killer loose in their city. So it would seem
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: to me that the police, the authorities up in Portland
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: have to do a better job getting out whatever message
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: it is that they have about these deaths. Because the
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: days of trust us, we're from the government are long over.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: All right, folks, that's going to do it for this one.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: All of the information that goes with the episode can
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: be found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: welcome back to the program. Up in Portland, Oregon, the
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: police tried to pitch us some nonsense saying that there
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: wasn't a serial killer active when it was relatively.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Obvious that there was.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Well, now the family's of the victims of this serial
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: killer are blasting the police over the way that they
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: handled the investigation. And I'll tell you what, it's criticism
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: that is well earned. Not only was this scumbag who
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: allegedly is responsible for these murders released early because of
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: compassionate COVID release, but one of the victim's fathers told
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: the police that this idiot assaulted her weeks before. So
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: let's dive into this article from DailyMail.com and let's see
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: how bad the Portland Police Department screwed this up. Headline,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: families of Oregon serial killer victims blame police for inaction
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: in investigating the case. This article was authored by James
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Gordon with some help from the Associated Press. The families
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: of two of the four women believed to have been
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: murdered by an Oregon serial killer have blasted how the
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: police have dealt with the investigation and its slow progress.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Jesse Calhoun, who is being investigated and labeled a person
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: of interest in the deaths of four women, had previously
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: attacked and choked one of them, her father claimed. But
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Calhoun was not arrested until months after the alleged assault,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: only after the woman's murdered bodies were discovered scattered across
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: northwest Oregon. And for all the knuckleheads out there screaming
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: about defund the police, defund the police, well, this is
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: what you get. You get a police force that really
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: doesn't care. And I hate to say it, but up
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: in Portland, there's a lot of that. The morale is terrible.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: There's no relationship between the police department and the community.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: There's no trust.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: And then something like this happens, and the people just
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: shake their heads in disgust. But it's not all on
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: the police. It's on the politicians that have been elected
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: up here as well. The whole soft on violent crime
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: shit has to stop.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: I understand.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: If you want to talk about justice reform for non-violent crimes,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: I'm on board 100%. The justice system is absolutely screwed up.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: But violent criminals, especially multiple-time violent criminals, I don't want
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: to hear anything about, oh, compassionate release, or they should
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: be out because, you know, their rights. Well... They've given
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: away those rights when they've decided to be violent criminals. So,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: enough with the nonsense. And these governors and DAs who
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: think it's a good idea to let people like this
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: roam the streets? Well, here's the result. I hope you're
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: happy with yourself. And remember, all because they were worried
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: that Mr. Calhoun might catch a cold. The corpses of
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Kristen Smith, 22, Charity Perry, 24, Bridget Webster, 31, and
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Ashley Real, 22, were found over a three-month period in
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: wooded areas, under a bridge and in a culvert in
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: a roughly 100-mile radius, spanning from rural Polk County, southwest
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: of Portland, to the Columbia River Gorge, east of the city.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Melissa Smith, Kristen Smith's mother, said in a video on
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Facebook that she reported her daughter missing In December, to
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Gresham Police in a Portland suburb, but she said, I
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: was not given the help that I needed. And we
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: know why. Because her daughter was somebody who was living
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: a vulnerable life. She was on drugs, prostitution probably, all
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: of that. And the police, well, they couldn't be bothered
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: with that. They have real things to do, you know?
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Like eat donuts and bust people for smoking pot or whatever.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, what's going on up in Oregon? What in
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: the hell is going on in Portland? And it's crazy.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Portland used to be one of my favorite cities. Now
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: every time I go and visit Portland to see my friends,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: I'm left shaking my head. Ashley Real's body was the
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: latest one found on May 7th. Her father, Jose Real,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: on Friday said he called police on November 11th after
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: she showed up crying at his Portland home saying she
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: had been choked by Calhoun. She had marks on her throat,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: he said, and he took her to a hospital. Now,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: this dude's lucky that her dad just called the police.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: You show up to the wrong girl's house talking about, oh, dad,
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: I just got choked by so-and-so and it's going to
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: be a big problem. You're not going to have to
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: worry about the police. You're going to find yourself with
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: a knock on the door and then somebody directly kicking
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: that door in and beating the living piss out of you.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: And in retrospect, I bet you her dad wishes he
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: would have done that. But her dad was trying to
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: do the right thing, be a good, responsible citizen, and
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: let the police handle it. Well, how'd that work out?
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: A Portland police officer took an initial report from Real
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: and his daughter, and she gave the officer Calhoun's name.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Police wanted her to help find him, but she was
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: scared to help, he said. So they wanted her to
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: help find him. A convicted felon who was out on
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: compassionate release just choked a woman and they're asking the
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: victim to go find him?
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, call me.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Crazy, but how about a little police work here and
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: how about arresting this sick son of a bitch before
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: he hurt somebody? Because the location of the alleged assault
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: was outside Portland police jurisdiction, the department referred the case
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: to the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office. Rial said he never
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: heard back from the sheriff's office, even though he and
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: his wife called repeatedly. Details of the attack were first
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: reported by the Oregonian. The police didn't do their work,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: and now my daughter's dead, he told the newspaper, and
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: he's 100% right to have that opinion. They told the
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: police they did everything that they're supposed to do as
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: quote-unquote responsible citizens, and his daughter ends up dead. There
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: should never be a situation or a scenario where somebody's
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: out of prison on some kind of compassionate release for
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: past violent crimes who is accused of choking a girl
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: who was not brought in directly after it happens. But
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: I guess up in Multnomah County, they got way better
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: things to do. Melissa Smith also said the police were
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: slow to act in her daughter's case after she was
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: reported missing. Family members posted flyers about the missing woman
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: and searched parts of Portland. Kristen Smith's body was the
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: first of the four to be discovered in the woods
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: outside a Portland neighborhood on February 19th. I was not
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: given the help that I needed in searching for her,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: and I have concerns for that, Smith explained in a
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: 10-minute long video posted online. After some of the girls
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: went missing, that is when I started receiving phone calls
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: and getting a new detective. You see, the problem is
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Portland knew they had a serial killer and they were
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: trying to be coy about it. They were trying to be,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: you know, behind the scenes, not let anybody know. And
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: that leads directly to more deaths. You bunch of ignorant idiots.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Melissa Smith praised the new detective she had been assigned
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: with the Portland Police Bureau for more aggressively pursuing the case.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: I am hoping that we got him, she said of
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Calhoun's arrest. I want nothing more than justice. I know
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Kristen was murdered and I have faith that the police
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: department are going to piece this together. I don't know
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: if they are linked with the other girls. I'm in
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: contact with the families of a few of the other girls.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: The Multnomah County District Attorney's Office announced on Monday that
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: investigators and prosecutors from nine law enforcement agencies have found
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: links between the four deaths with at least one person
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: of interest. The statement did not name the person, but
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: a law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation named
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: him as Jesse Lee Calhoun. The official requested anonymity because
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: they are not authorized to comment publicly on the case.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Calhoun was arrested on June 6 by members of two
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: sheriff's departments with the U.S. Marshal Service assisting. The official
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: said he should have never been out of prison in
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: the first place.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, for real.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Look, I understand during COVID you want to let out
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: people for drug offenses or embezzling money.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: All right, I get it.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: They aren't violent people, and chances are they're not going
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: to hurt anybody else in the community.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: But this guy, this is who you let out? Really?
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Portland Police Sergeant Kevin Allen wrote in an email the
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: department cannot comment on any reports or information related to
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Calhoun because of an active, ongoing criminal investigation. Sheriff's Deputy
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: John Plock also said he could not comment because of
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: an active investigation. Real said he was grateful his daughter
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: was found and he can visit her remains in a
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Clackamas County cemetery. I can tell her daddy's here, mija.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: You know how much I miss you, Real said, using
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: an affectionate Spanish term for his daughter.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: Guess what? His daughter mattered.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: And these Portland Police Department officials who didn't pay him
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: any mind or who didn't care or who didn't investigate,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: they should all be brought up on charges of negligence.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Imagine if it was your daughter. Maybe you don't have
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: a daughter. You don't have a son now. But believe me,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: when somebody loses a daughter or a son, it's so sad,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: Rial said to KMTR. I cannot protect her. I cannot
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: be with her that day. I always want her to
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: be cared for. And I feel so sad because I
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: miss that day. I miss that day, Rial said. And
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: imagine being the dad, her father, and knowing that you
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: went to the police, did everything right, and this is
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: still the result. I would be filled with so much
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: resentment and honestly, probably a whole bunch of hate. Calhoun
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: has a lengthy criminal record with felony convictions dating back
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: almost 20 years. He was reportedly a talented artist who
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: gives a shit. who told booking officials he earned his
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: living painting designs on vehicles. Nobody cares, Calhoun. Nobody cares
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: one bit about you or your life. His first felony
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: conviction was in 2004, when he was arrested again in
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: 2018 with meth, several guns, and more than 500 rounds
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: of ammunition. The Multnomah County Sheriff's Office called him a
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: prolific thief and a career criminal. In 2019, he was
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: given four sentences set, to run concurrently. But he was
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: among the 1,000 inmates who benefited from then-Governor Kate Brown
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: reducing the prison populations during the pandemic. Calhoun was one
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: of 41 prison inmates whose prison sentence was lowered by
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: one year in 2021 by then-Governor Kate Brown after they
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: helped battle devastating 2020 wildfires in Oregon. Calhoun was released
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: from the Columbia River Correctional Institution on July 22, 2021,
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: almost one year before his projected release.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Release date.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: The Oregon Department of Corrections said on Friday he had
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: been serving a 50-month sentence for assaulting a police officer,
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: trying to strangle a police dog, burglary, and felony unauthorized
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: use of a vehicle. Nobody else you could let go, huh?
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: This is the guy? Did Cade Brown go there and
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: choose him personally?
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, for real?
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: This is just an absolute festering sore. Senator Tim Knopp,
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: leader of the minority Oregon Senate Republicans, blame Brown for
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: letting violent offenders out early. But even if Brown hadn't
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: commuted Calhoun sentence, he would have been released months before
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: the deaths occurred. And there's no doubt about that. But still,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: the point remains, violent felons shouldn't be released early. They
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: do their full sentence. Sorry, that's how it works. You
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: want to be a violent idiot? Well, you're going to
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: pay the price. The district attorney's announcement said no charges
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: have been filed in connection with any of the deaths,
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: but Calhoun is back behind bars where he belongs. Governor
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: Tina Kotick revoked his commutation on July 3rd. The six-feet,
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: four-inch suspect, who has a history of resisting arrest, jumped
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: into the Williamette River and tried to escape when found
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: on July 6th. Brown, who left office in January, told
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: William at Week she was shocked by Calhoun's arrest. I'm
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: absolutely horrified for the victims, their families, and all those
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: who experienced this loss, she said. Oh, I'm sure you are,
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: as you sit around eating caviar in your mansion. Calhoun
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: will serve the remainder of his sentence with a new
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: projected release date, June 9th of 2024. Oregon Department of
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: Corrections spokesperson Amber Campbell said. And you know, it's all
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: fine and well for these politicians to release these maniacs
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: right back into the streets. Well, they don't live in
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: the inner city, so what do they care? Meanwhile, the
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: rest of us are not only navigating a walking dead
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: zombie apocalypse driven by the drug plague, but now these
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: knucklehead politicians want to release serial killers back out onto
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: the streets?
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, what could possibly go wrong?
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: All right, everybody, that's going to do it for this one.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: All of the information that goes with the episode can
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: be found in the description box. What's up everyone and
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: welcome back to the program. A few weeks ago we
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: were talking about the possibility that a serial killer was
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: at work in Portland, Oregon and around Portland, Oregon. Well,
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: the authorities came out and automatically threw cold water on
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: that saying that none of the deaths were connected and
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: that they didn't suspect a serial killer to be behind
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: these deaths. Well, fast forward a few weeks and the
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: whole entire tune has now changed. Authorities in Portland are
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: now reporting that the deaths are connected and they have
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: a suspect in custody. And this suspect was somebody who
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: was released by the governor early during the COVID pandemic.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Because this person, according to sources, was vulnerable to COVID.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, for real, you're going to let this dude
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: out a violent felon because of COVID. That's your excuse. Well,
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: guess what, governor? You have a big problem on your
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: hands now because one of those people that you let
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: out allegedly is responsible for at least four deaths. Today,
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: we have an article from the Daily Mail and the headline.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Person of interest in serial killer deaths of four women
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: in Oregon was among 1,000 inmates released early by the
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: former governor because they were vulnerable to COVID. This article
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: was authored by Harriet Alexander. A person of interest in
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: the murder of four Oregon women whose bodies were found
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: over the course of three months in or near Portland
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: is a career criminal, according to a local news report,
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: who was released from prison early this due to COVID concerns.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: Jesse Lee Calhoun, 38, from Portland, was sentenced to four
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: years in prison in November of 2019 for felonies including burglary,
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: unauthorized possession of a stolen vehicle, and injuring a police
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: officer and a police dog when they attempted to arrest him.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: Hell of a guy, huh? And this is the person
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: that you released because of COVID? What about somebody who
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: didn't pay their taxes? What about somebody who got caught
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: with some weed? Nah, let's go release the violent felon.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: I am so sick of these governors, these mayors, and
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: the rest of these clowns who think it's a good
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: idea to populate our streets with violent felons. As if
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: there's not enough violent scumbags on our streets as it is.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: Here's an idea.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: If you commit a violent felony, your ass should go
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: to prison and there should be no early release.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: He was released in.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: July 2021 by the then governor of Oregon, Kate Brown.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: one of 1,000 inmates granted early release due to the pandemic.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: The sad part is, she's not going to have to
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: answer for this. She's the former governor, and she was
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: just doing her duty, right? Her duty to make the
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: streets way more dangerous in Portland. Just what they need
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: in that lawless-ass place. How's that hold to funding the
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: police working out for you in Portland? The Williamette Week
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: reported on Monday that he was the person of interest.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: The first of his alleged four victims was reported missing
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: almost a year and a half later. Brown said she
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: was absolutely horrified by the news, Williamette Week reported. The
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: Multnomah County District Attorney's Office in Portland has not named Calhoun.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: They said on Monday, no charges have been filed against anyone,
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: but the community is not currently in danger. I don't
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: put any kind of stock in anything that the Multnomah
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: County District Attorney's Office has to say.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: Or the police department?
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: Why are they out here lying to people, saying that
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: there's no serial killer or none of these deaths are connected?
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: Yes, they are. Stop lying. Everybody knew they were connected.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, all you have to do is take
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: a look at how those bodies were found and the
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: circumstances surrounding it, and it's rather obvious that they were connected.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, did Charity's body pick itself up and move
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: it behind that farmhouse? Of course it didn't. She was
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: murdered and transferred there. The women were aged from 22
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: to 31 and their bodies were found in Portland and
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: rural areas starting in February with the latest one found
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: in May. One body was found about 45 miles southwest
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: of Portland near Creek in Polk County. Authorities said the
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: state medical examiner has not determined the cause or manner
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: of death for any of the women. They were all
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: from the Portland area. They were all vulnerable, they were
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: all on drugs, and they were all living a risky
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: lifestyle as well. Sound familiar? Officials did not use the
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: word serial killer in announcing the connection between their deaths.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: Investigators and prosecutors from multiple law enforcement agencies have been
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: working collaboratively, and they have determined that there are links
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  Speaker 1: between the four cases. Kristen Smith, Charity Perry, Bridget Webster,
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  Speaker 1: and Ashley Real. the prosecutor's office said. Investigators from nine
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  Speaker 1: law enforcement agencies and prosecutor's offices in three Oregon counties,
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  Speaker 1: as well as the Oregon State Police, have been collaborating
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  Speaker 1: on the cases, authorities said. And why they don't want
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: to designate this dude a serial killer is beyond me.
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  Speaker 1: He checks all of the boxes when we're trying to
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  Speaker 1: determine what a serial killer is. Four women, connected, Over
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  Speaker 1: a period of time, certainly not a thrill kill, certainly
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  Speaker 1: not somebody who showed up with a machine gun to
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  Speaker 1: a local concert hall and shot up a bunch of people. So,
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  Speaker 1: if it's not a serial killer, what exactly would you
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  Speaker 1: call this guy? The first of the four, 22-year-old Kristen Smith,
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  Speaker 1: was found dead in the woods in Pleasant Valley on
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  Speaker 1: February 19th. From Gresham, Oregon, she was reported missing by
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  Speaker 1: her family on December 22nd, and her body was identified
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  Speaker 1: on May 25th. Imagine how horrible that Christmas was for them.
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  Speaker 1: December 22nd, three days before Christmas. Can you imagine what
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: that poor family was going through while the rest of
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: us were celebrating the holidays? Two months later, on April 24th,
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  Speaker 1: Charity Perry, 24, was found dead in Ainsworth State Park.
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  Speaker 1: The following week, on April 30th, Bridget Webster, 31, was
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  Speaker 1: found dead 45 miles south of Portland on near a
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  Speaker 1: creek in Paul County. And the fourth victim, 22-year-old Ashley Real,
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  Speaker 1: was discovered on May 7th, a month after vanishing from
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  Speaker 1: a fast food restaurant. One other woman who was killed
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  Speaker 1: in the area, 32-year-old Joanna Speaks, found dead on April
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  Speaker 1: 8th in an abandoned barn, is not believed to be connected.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm sure that that's not connected. So what
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  Speaker 1: does that mean? Another killer's out there, just like in
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  Speaker 1: Long Island. They say that to like reassure people, but
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how reassuring it is to think that
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  Speaker 1: there's another killer who is actively hunting in this area
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  Speaker 1: as well.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty terrifying, honestly.
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  Speaker 1: And if you have somebody that you care about who
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: is living in one of these vulnerable type of communities,
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: a drug addict or prostitute, whatever, then you have to
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  Speaker 1: be terrified that something bad is going to happen to them.
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  Speaker 1: Even more terrified than usual. Calhoun was arrested on July 6th.
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  Speaker 1: on unrelated charges and is currently in custody at Snake
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  Speaker 1: River Correctional Institution in Ontario. The local news site reported
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  Speaker 1: he was expected to be charged with the four murders
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  Speaker 1: in the coming days. Calhoun has a lengthy criminal record
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  Speaker 1: with felony convictions dating back almost 20 years. He was
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  Speaker 1: reportedly a talented artist who told booking officials he earned
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  Speaker 1: his living painting designs on vehicles. His first felony conviction
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  Speaker 1: was in 2004 when When he was arrested again in
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  Speaker 1: 2018 with meth, several guns, and more than 500 rounds
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  Speaker 1: of ammunition, the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office called him a
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  Speaker 1: prolific thief and a career criminal. In 2019, he was
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: given four sentences set to run concurrently. But he was
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  Speaker 1: among the 1,000 inmates who benefited from Brown reducing the
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: prison population during the pandemic. And that was just a
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: cover for somebody like Brown to release all of these criminals.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just call it what it is, okay? Stuff your
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: politics for a little while and just call it what
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  Speaker 1: it is. These prosecutors don't care. They're playing politics. They
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  Speaker 1: live in their nice little plush gated community with security
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  Speaker 1: guards protecting them. Meanwhile, the rest of us have to
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: live amongst the scum and the scuzz that they release
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  Speaker 1: early from prison. Now, look, I'm not saying people shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: be released early from prison, but if you have violent
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  Speaker 1: crimes on your record and they span back 20 years,
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  Speaker 1: you mean to tell me there's nobody else in the
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  Speaker 1: whole ass prison that should be released but this guy?
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  Speaker 1: I have a hard time believing that. The Democrat made
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: significantly more use of the governor's clemency powers than her
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  Speaker 1: predecessors and shortened the sentence of 912 nonviolent inmates at
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: risk of contracting COVID. So that's fine with me. Nonviolent inmates,
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  Speaker 1: that's something we can talk about. But violent inmates being
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  Speaker 1: released early?
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  Speaker 2: No way. No way, no how.
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  Speaker 1: She granted 130 pardons, cleared death row, and wiped away
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  Speaker 1: cannabis possession convictions of nearly 50,000 people. Williamette Week reported, well,
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  Speaker 1: she should have done that, considering that marijuana is legal
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  Speaker 1: in the state of Oregon and the fact that, We
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: really shouldn't be clogging up our jails with people who
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: are smoking a little bit of weed. Calhoun further reduced
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  Speaker 1: his sentence by joining a team of convicts helping to
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  Speaker 1: fight wildfires. Last month, as concerns about the deaths of
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: the women mounted, it emerged that many of the victims
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: frequented the same areas. On July 3rd, the current governor,
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  Speaker 1: Tina Kotek, who took over from Brown in January, was
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  Speaker 1: asked to revoke Calhoun's commutation. His was the first and
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  Speaker 1: only conditional release to be revoked so far. The governor's
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: office received a request to revoke Jesse Lee Calhoun's commutation
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  Speaker 1: status from the Multnomah County District Attorney's Office on July 3, 2023,
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  Speaker 1: and fulfilled the request the same day, says COTEC spokeswoman
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  Speaker 1: Elizabeth Shepard. We do not have further comment as this
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  Speaker 1: is a pending investigation. Calhoun was arrested on July 6th.
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  Speaker 1: The 6'4 suspect, who has a history of resisting arrest,
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  Speaker 1: jumped into the Williamette River in Milwaukee and tried to escape. Brown,
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  Speaker 1: who left office in January, told Williamette Week she was
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  Speaker 1: shocked by Calhoun's arrest. I'm absolutely horrified for the victims,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: their families, and all those who have experienced this loss,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: she said. Oh yeah, I'm sure you're horrified from your
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  Speaker 1: beautiful mansion as you sit there and eat caviar and
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  Speaker 1: drink champagne. Give me a break, okay? Save the ivory
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: tower bullshit for other people. I don't buy it. If
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: you were so concerned about the well-being of the community
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: and the people who lived in that community, you wouldn't
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: have released a violent felon like this dude in the
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: first place. So save the crocodile tears and prepare for
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: the shit sandwich that you're gonna have to take a
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: bite out of. Because there's gonna be a lot of
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: criticism about her decision to release violent felons. And there
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: should be. Especially when those violent felons that have been
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: released go on to be connected to four murdered women.
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  Speaker 1: All right, so obviously we're going to keep our eye
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  Speaker 1: on what happens up here and we're going to see
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  Speaker 1: what happens with this scumbag, Mr.
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  Speaker 2: Calhoun.
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  Speaker 1: But there was no doubt from the very jump that
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: at least some of those deaths were connected. And the
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: fact that the authorities came out and they were so
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: forceful to try and knock down those reports, it just
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  Speaker 1: further made me believe that something else might be going
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: on here. And now, come to find out, our suspicions
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: were spot on and there was somebody who the police
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: say is connected to all four of these murders. The
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: question now is, are any of the other murders or
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: missing girls related to the degenerate activities of Calhoun? As
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: of now, we just don't know. But we'll continue to
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: follow along and we'll see where it all ends up.
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