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Ep. 187: Tripping on Bear Skulls · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: tell everybody about your road kill moose story? Sure? Can? Steve?
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead? I was on my way home hard day
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  Speaker 1: of work. Yeah, it was late, actually it was that
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  Speaker 1: after six beautiful day though. I remember because I was
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  Speaker 1: in my shorts and a short sleeved shirt and at
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  Speaker 1: that time of the night it was still nice and warm.
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  Speaker 1: I was actually on my way to meet my neighbor
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  Speaker 1: because is the post production team needed a piece of metal, um,
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  Speaker 1: sheet metal or something of the like to put underneath
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  Speaker 1: some food that they were going to be shooting, and
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  Speaker 1: they wanted a different background. And as you know, my neighbor, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: you gotta plug his business right anyone living in there.
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  Speaker 1: Barton of Southwest Montana, Barton Fabrication, You need any sort
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  Speaker 1: of welding, cool metal work type done. Steve had a
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  Speaker 1: what's that thing called it's a long list. He made
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  Speaker 1: my three sixteen inch thick garden boxes on a welded
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  Speaker 1: steel plate, which your coolest ship. Yeah, they looked nice.
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  Speaker 1: He made. He he does like fancy houses, I should
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  Speaker 1: point out, but I have him do like low grade stuff.
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  Speaker 1: So he did that. He we. I had a stainless
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  Speaker 1: steel trompo, which is like when you're in Mexico and
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  Speaker 1: I got the the big thing of pork that spins
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  Speaker 1: on a spindle and you order a taco and a
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  Speaker 1: shave off to take like a machette and shave off
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  Speaker 1: hunks of meat onto a street taco. I think more
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  Speaker 1: people would uh understand it though, if you just said,
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  Speaker 1: like a hero, like if you had a Greek place
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  Speaker 1: and you look in the back and there's that big
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  Speaker 1: hunk of meat, because that's where you like to go
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  Speaker 1: for vacation. I don't. I've never been. I'd love to
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  Speaker 1: check out Greece, though, but I'm just saying that most
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  Speaker 1: people would. That's that's what you think of when you
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  Speaker 1: think of a big hun good spinning meat. Yeah, well no,
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  Speaker 1: sure if you do. Growing up in Missoula, Montana, there
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  Speaker 1: were three euro places like yeah really yeah, a cropolis Greek,
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  Speaker 1: and they all had a trumpo. Then it called a trumpo.
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  Speaker 1: They probably call some Greek thing. Yeah, yep, correct. How
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  Speaker 1: would you say it if you're goofing on like a
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  Speaker 1: trompolo trumpo trumpolo, and if you put a Greek spin
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  Speaker 1: on it, trumpoppopoca. So he yeah, mine was hand crack.
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  Speaker 1: You had to hand turn. Ronnie Bain made it. We
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  Speaker 1: used it once at my wedding, but it was hand turned,
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  Speaker 1: and so he retro fitted it for a He retro
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  Speaker 1: fitted it for a Rotistrie motor, did a beautiful job
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  Speaker 1: of it. Then he made me twelve des and I
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  Speaker 1: haven't do a lot of stuff's way beneath him. He
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  Speaker 1: made me twelve snare supports, So weldon galvanized wire on
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  Speaker 1: the rebar so that you pound the rebarn to the
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  Speaker 1: ground in position the wire right where he wanted to
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  Speaker 1: hang beaver snares whatever you're snaring um. And and now
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  Speaker 1: he's doing something doesn't require welding where because he's got
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  Speaker 1: a hoist. He's helping me mount uh Honda jet onto
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  Speaker 1: my hog island shallow water skiff nice. And meanwhile he
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  Speaker 1: does all kinds of fancy house stuff spartan fabrication. He is.
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  Speaker 1: We can go on and on about this guy. I
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  Speaker 1: mean he I'm so lucky to have him as a neighbor.
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  Speaker 1: He is the world's best neighbor. I mean he just
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  Speaker 1: he's a fire chief. He's a higher achieved so he's
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  Speaker 1: like home half the time. And when he's at home,
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  Speaker 1: it's like any problem you could think of at your house.
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  Speaker 1: You're like, hey, Travis, uh my chains got one of these?
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  Speaker 1: Come on down, you know, just bring the truck over,
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  Speaker 1: We'll put on the lift. We'll just take those wheels
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  Speaker 1: right off. Right now. That's not true though, because he
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  Speaker 1: failed us on a thirty six inch chainsall bar. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you're offered up a cross cut saw. Ye if you
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  Speaker 1: can't help you out. He has a good sense of humor. Um.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, in my house for our remodel, I mean
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  Speaker 1: there's a ton of Travis bartin work handrails. Um. What
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  Speaker 1: do you call the pieces? The ballusters? You know that
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  Speaker 1: all that is Travis is there's some I beams in there,
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  Speaker 1: some shelving. My whole kitchen table countertop is made out
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  Speaker 1: of steel. And I can't tell a good world. But
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  Speaker 1: anybody that's ever come over that must have some sort
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  Speaker 1: of background in welding. They look at that table and
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  Speaker 1: they go, whoever did this knows their ship. That's funny
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  Speaker 1: because Doug Dering took a look at my garden boxes
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  Speaker 1: and the first thing he said is he made a
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  Speaker 1: joke about the worlds, meaning like he made like a
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  Speaker 1: reverse joke, commented on the shitty welds meaning holy sh it,
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  Speaker 1: kind of like a dirt like a dirt joke. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like he basically he was saying, like, what a phenomenal weld,
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  Speaker 1: but instead of saying that, he acted like he was.
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  Speaker 1: He was like, it must have been this guy's first day. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know I'm doing a horrible job. Yeah, yeah, we
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  Speaker 1: get it though. So I was on my way to
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  Speaker 1: Travis's house and um, right when I pulled off the pavement,
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  Speaker 1: I forgot we're talking about yeah, talking about my road
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  Speaker 1: kill moose, um travishes. They're waiting for me on the dirt,
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  Speaker 1: which I thought was odd and specifically waiting for you. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because he I was going to his house to meet him,
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  Speaker 1: so he knew I was on the way, and uh,
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  Speaker 1: he walks up to my truck and he just says, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you want to moose. Kind of caught me off guard,
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  Speaker 1: and but I quickly put two and two together, and
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  Speaker 1: like you, I could I look down the road maybe
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  Speaker 1: a hundred yards and I could see a blue four
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  Speaker 1: pickup trucks sitting down there and pick up was it
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  Speaker 1: as as a raptor rafter? Yeah? And um, what's the
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  Speaker 1: reputation that? Like when you see someone driving a raft?
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  Speaker 1: What do you do you have like a thing like oh,
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  Speaker 1: he like I think they have a bigger gas budget
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  Speaker 1: than I do, just generally, probably bigger budget because I
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  Speaker 1: don't think that's a cheap truck. No, but I'm not
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  Speaker 1: because I was about a regular old F one fifty
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  Speaker 1: a year ago. Yeah. Man, you should have gone raptor
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  Speaker 1: because yeah, because it goes faster. Yeah. I like go
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  Speaker 1: nice and slow. Yeah me too. I have no use
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  Speaker 1: for a raptor. They both probably go equally as fast.
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  Speaker 1: One just excel at rates. I like to accelerate slowly,
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  Speaker 1: kind of more angry looking, more aggressive looking. Yeah, well
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  Speaker 1: I am angry. Something that's prime for like big sticker
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  Speaker 1: on the back window. Our buddy JA runs one. He
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  Speaker 1: likes that truck. Yeah, loves it. Go on, big big truck. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: One of the first things he said is, I was
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  Speaker 1: contemplating going to look at this moose. He's not much
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  Speaker 1: damage on the raptor. I'm thinking, well, you know, that's
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  Speaker 1: probably good. Good for your Yeah, good for the mouse.
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  Speaker 1: Probably not much damage on the moose either. He said
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  Speaker 1: it was a calf um that had been hit, so
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  Speaker 1: we went to check it out. And Uh. I had
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  Speaker 1: one other experience, which I've told you before about with
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  Speaker 1: picking up road kill. Buddy of mine, Jimmy and Colorado
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  Speaker 1: once had gotten one from a herd that had been
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  Speaker 1: demolished by I think actually a bunch of honeywagon trucks.
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  Speaker 1: And he pulled up and they actually had a four
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  Speaker 1: trucks carrying honey or carrying porter potties. Uh, just disposal trucks,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I ain't. The company in Veil was called
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  Speaker 1: racking Um. Anyways, a bunch had been knocked off the
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  Speaker 1: interstate and they actually had like a bucket truck or something.
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  Speaker 1: There's loading elk into people's trucks and um Jimmy Miller, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Jimmy Miller, who once found a buck tangled up. I
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  Speaker 1: think you only unbail, hey, like a guy might unbail
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  Speaker 1: hay and throws all the corriage into a pile. Wasn't
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  Speaker 1: that what happened? Yeah, that's right. And found a buck
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  Speaker 1: all tangled up in the corridage, you know, and went
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  Speaker 1: down here and caught it free. And then the buck
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  Speaker 1: trying to kick his head once he got it freed up,
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  Speaker 1: you know, fell right into his plan. So there are Um. Well,
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  Speaker 1: but back to Miller's story real quick. When we went
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  Speaker 1: I went to his house to help him peel that
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  Speaker 1: thing out, and it was just when we peeled out,
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  Speaker 1: it was purple from knows the tail peeling it out
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  Speaker 1: being a yeah, and uh so we turned as much
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  Speaker 1: as of it as we could into dog food. And
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  Speaker 1: I don't think any of it was fit for human consumption.
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  Speaker 1: And so I was a little little leary, you know,
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  Speaker 1: going into it. But I looked at this calf moose. Um,
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  Speaker 1: it's unfortunately I much I had the moose running around.
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  Speaker 1: We've been watching it, you know, since it was born.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the thing was probably only six to eight weeks.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't catch that either. You were familiar with this
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  Speaker 1: particular girl, Yeah, we had seen it maybe two days earlier.
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  Speaker 1: Oh really, I didn't know she had to she had twins.
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  Speaker 1: This is part remember the story I told about how
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  Speaker 1: I saw the cow elk come and cut that one
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  Speaker 1: calf out from underneath the cow moose with the two
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  Speaker 1: remembered it. Really, I'm sitting there watching a cow moose
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  Speaker 1: one night with her two babies. They come up the
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  Speaker 1: dirt road and they kind of get off on the
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  Speaker 1: edge and they're feeding along and out like my periphery,
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  Speaker 1: I see something running and down the hill comes the
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  Speaker 1: cow elk, and it's getting dusky. She comes down, goes
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  Speaker 1: right up to him and then just stands there and
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  Speaker 1: kind of an aggressive pose, and uh, I didn't know
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  Speaker 1: what to make of it, you know, and the cow
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  Speaker 1: moose just sort of pined her ears back, but like
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  Speaker 1: became subordinate, definitely didn't stand up to this cow elk.
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  Speaker 1: And the cow elk sort of starts chasing him a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. It's like half play but half aggressive, and
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  Speaker 1: she sort of starts cutting between the two uh calves,
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  Speaker 1: and again these guys are like they looked like they
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  Speaker 1: took their first steps a week ago, you know, and uh,
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  Speaker 1: it's getting darker. But eventually the cow moose runs up
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  Speaker 1: the hill with one of the calves and the cow
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  Speaker 1: elk stayed with one of the calf. Moose pedophile kidnapping.
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  Speaker 1: It was like that. Yeah, it was like it was
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  Speaker 1: like in humans, you know, thought You're like, oh, she
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  Speaker 1: must have lost her her cow elk or her cow
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  Speaker 1: her elk calf, and now she's trying to pick up
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  Speaker 1: another one from this moose. You know who knows. But
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  Speaker 1: it was very odd, very odd animal behavior. Then Anthony,
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: better introduce yourself real quick, because, uh, you don't join
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  Speaker 1: us all the time. I'm Anthony Locata. I'm editor in
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  Speaker 1: chief here at meat Eater. There you go, olcome. Thanks, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: nice to have you first Meteator podcast. Yeah, yeah, I've been,
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  Speaker 1: uh but you sat with us the other day. Ye
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  Speaker 1: sat the other day, And I've been on a honey
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  Speaker 1: collect a couple of times. But I've been working remotely
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  Speaker 1: for the first couple of months here in the job.
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  Speaker 1: But finally I'm here in Bozeman, so you'll be able
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  Speaker 1: to editorialize. Yes in chief, you've been oh um, so yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's some history with uh, with this calf. So there
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  Speaker 1: we are for ye and uh, it looks like the
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  Speaker 1: calf has like a blow to the head and then
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  Speaker 1: one of its back legs is you know, broken flopping
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  Speaker 1: like below the knee and otherwise doesn't look messed up
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  Speaker 1: at all. There's not a lot of blood on the road.
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  Speaker 1: Chaffs is like, literally, well, now, why did he not
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  Speaker 1: want it? He's not a big hunter, not a big
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  Speaker 1: wild game guy. Um. His daughter had actually witnessed it happened.
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  Speaker 1: It was kind of traumatic for her. She's I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: not quite high school age. Um. So I was like, well,
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  Speaker 1: do you want some to meat? He's like, well, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I just but just don't tell my daughter where it
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  Speaker 1: came from, you know. Um. So I'm gonna get him
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  Speaker 1: some meat. But yeah, that's just not his style, you know,
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  Speaker 1: not his style um eating stuff he found dead on
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  Speaker 1: the side the road. Yeah, but I don't. I just
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  Speaker 1: don't think they eat a lot of while a game
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  Speaker 1: in that house. He's too busy welding fires. Um. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I checked it out and uh sort of uh talks
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  Speaker 1: to Chavis about what it would take to get it.
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  Speaker 1: I kind of knew the steps, and I said, well,
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  Speaker 1: let me just call highway patrol. I think that's who
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  Speaker 1: I called. And the Chavis kind of guy again to sort,
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  Speaker 1: you know, build his character out a little bit. I'm like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'll call high Control and he just rattles off the number. Um.
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  Speaker 1: So I call him and the guy says, yeah, man,
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  Speaker 1: really easy. Just go onto the fish and Wildlife website
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  Speaker 1: and there's an application, fill it out and make sure
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  Speaker 1: it's filled out and submitted within like twenty four hours.
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  Speaker 1: Have at it, um and so we uh, I try
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  Speaker 1: to put it into the truck as it was, it
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  Speaker 1: was too heavy for us to just two men get
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  Speaker 1: into the back of the truck. So I gutted it
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  Speaker 1: right there on the median. I'm sorry the shoulder. You
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  Speaker 1: got a good point. It seems only a few months old. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: maybe not even two months old. Huh yeah, the sweetest,
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  Speaker 1: that's an insane amount of growth. Oh, it is too amazing, amazing. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think about what that cow must have to do
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  Speaker 1: to produce those calories, to have two of them, you know,
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  Speaker 1: putting on that kind of weight. Yeah. And I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you're the my mental picture of your neighbor as he
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  Speaker 1: not a small dude either, nice tough guy. Beat his ass.
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  Speaker 1: What amazing amount of growth. So I got it right there,
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  Speaker 1: slide the guts down off the office shoulders. Kind of
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  Speaker 1: a steep embankment goes down into the ditch grassy area.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of we slung her in there. When did the uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like I said, the permit application there online
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  Speaker 1: and I don't know, thirty minutes later they sent me
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  Speaker 1: an email and said, here's your salvage permit. Oh so
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  Speaker 1: no physical inspection, Nope, no, no. Um. There was actually
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  Speaker 1: a I think she was a sheriff. Maybe that rolled
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  Speaker 1: in while we were working on it. She might have
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  Speaker 1: been there right at the end to kind of help
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  Speaker 1: push a little bit to get the moose in there.
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  Speaker 1: And she didn't have much to say about it. She
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  Speaker 1: said that good for you. Correct now the the awful,
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  Speaker 1: the guts um with that salvage the law. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: was gonna, what are you asking about that? With the
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  Speaker 1: alvage permit? Right, aren't you supposed to remove anything that
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: could attract other animals too? There's something to that. Oh,
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: that's the logic behind that. And you put that together.
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  Speaker 1: They they don't want like the bears, they don't want
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  Speaker 1: them to bear and then you got like this whole
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  Speaker 1: vicious cycle. Yep. I was wondered. Word. I felt like
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  Speaker 1: like they didn't want people to see a gup popper honest,
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  Speaker 1: is just downloading salvage permits all year Long's I got
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  Speaker 1: bear moves on spot my truck Scott like two or
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  Speaker 1: fifty miles on it, so you know with another ding.
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  Speaker 1: But you broke the law by leaving the gut pile there. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: as I call it in the morning, and they said, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: next time, you know, take the guts too, and um,
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  Speaker 1: don't leave me on the side of the road. Otherwise
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  Speaker 1: you're all sat man. So yeah, we let it. We
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  Speaker 1: butchered it up that night quartered in got Luckily a
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: neighbor of mine had an empty fridge that was turned
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: on sitting in his Uh, it wasn't completely empty. He
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: has beer. Say you might have an energy efficiency chat
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  Speaker 1: with that fella. Yeah, he's got some beer in there
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  Speaker 1: staying cold. But we moved some things around were easily
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  Speaker 1: able to get the whole moose in there. Yeah, let's
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  Speaker 1: sit for a week and then butchered it the next weekend.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, I gave you a package of the ground.
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  Speaker 1: Did you eat it yet? Somebody can't believe you just
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  Speaker 1: sent me like a package. I mean, that's great, thank you,
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  Speaker 1: but just the package of ground, huh. I want to
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  Speaker 1: be fair. On the text message chain, you were like, no,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna come help, but I'll take the tender lines. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and I uh, I will admit. Also, your honest called
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  Speaker 1: me right away and he's like, hey, if you can,
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  Speaker 1: you want to come up and help. Did you ask
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  Speaker 1: for help? Yeah, just with the uh just cutting it up.
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  Speaker 1: You specifically asked for help when I said no, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: just coult yeah, and I felt like trying to cut
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  Speaker 1: me out. Hey, fill the engineer, What do you think
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  Speaker 1: about all this? I think it's I've never had moose you.
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  Speaker 1: I think you were about to go into the taste
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  Speaker 1: of of the ground right, yeah, just as NUIs in general.
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  Speaker 1: The smell before we even butchered it. I gotta talk
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  Speaker 1: about this because it was the like the sweetest, most
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  Speaker 1: like grassy fresh cut hay, like to the point where
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: it's almost like so pungent that it might turn some
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: people off. But I think once you get through the pungentness,
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  Speaker 1: you just realize it's just like this sweet grass smell.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know if it's from the eight the
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  Speaker 1: extreme young age of the animal, or if it was
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  Speaker 1: just his diet at that time. It was definitely hanging. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But and and that meat definitely it's nowhere near as pungent,
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  Speaker 1: but it definitely carries that palette with it. You know
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  Speaker 1: what you can tell me if you wanted to impress
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: the hell out of me, you tell me that you
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  Speaker 1: drank the curdled mother's milk from its stomach. Yeah. Sorry,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna impress lose again. Um. Yeah, so I
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  Speaker 1: got a I mean, I bet I didn't weigh it,
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  Speaker 1: but I bet you we yielded um, well over a
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  Speaker 1: hundred pounds. Are you serious? Yeah, more meat than you
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: would have gotten off a big meal in your buck.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah it was you. No, it was definitely like a
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: small to medium cow elk. That's impressive. I think I
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: will take a little bit of that. Yeah, No, there's plenty.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know why I only threw in the ground.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Maybe because that's always looking at when I was getting
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: your turkey and the ground was sitting right next to it. Yeah,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: because I remember giving you some real nice uh hell
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: of it flas flames, choice cuts, choice cuts. I wasn't like, hey,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: here's the guts off some salmon, Steve's choice cuts. Um good,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: good on that quick nipple biting story. They flood in.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: You wear this ant and they flood in. Guy guy
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: was sitting in the lake. I think it's a Massachusetts.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: He wrote in we had talking about other people getting
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: their nipples bit by fish um, which started out, we're
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: talking about a woman tearing her nipple on. She wrote
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: in that she tore her nipple on a barbwar fence.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: It was a mass and then all these nipple injuries
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: and she was in a hurry to go hunting, got
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: like some kind of she got out of some kind
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: of athletic event and was trying to get out in
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: the dove field hop the fence gas or nipple. She said.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Her ex husband called its scarface. She said, she's got
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: me like a fish if I gave her name, which
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: I never did, like her. Uh. And then more nipple
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: stories came in, but the most recent one is a
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: guy was he was sitting in the lake in Massachusetts
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: with his future with with who is now his wife,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: and he said they were doing that thing where you
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: got your elbows kind of like up on a dock.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: You picture I'm saying, like hot tub style, Yeah, hot
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: tub style in a lake, elbows up on dock and
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: all a sudden now looks now as nipples bleeding all over.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: What's funny is he do must not know a hell
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: of a lot about fish, because he said he thinks
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: it could have been bluegills because he had seen Here's
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: the story gets weird, but I believe every bit of it.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: He had seen some guys spitting dip spitting tobacco juice
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: into the water on the same dock, and bluegills are
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: eating it. So he figures, you know what, this sound
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: looks like a good place for me, my gal to
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: go soak a minute. But know that it happened before. Yeah,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: I understand he's aware that there's so he's I feel
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: like a bluegill. But a blue guild does not draw blood.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: A blue guild does not bite your nipple and draw blood.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: So there's got to be a kind of a b
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: test go It's like, well, we are blue gill more
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: aggressive with a healthy dose and nicotine. Oh that's a
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: good point. Maybe they get so jacked up. I'm but
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: I think that that, yeah, there's blue was around. I
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: think there's a north around Northern Pike, and I think
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: the Northern Pike gashed his nipple. But the takeaway is
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: he suggested that you'd make a fish and luard to
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: look like a nipple and smelled like chew nipples look
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: like bait. They just do. Yeah, they do have a
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: bait like appearance. Man. I had to cist cut out
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: of my head, a sebaceous sits or whatever you call it,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: like it was like on top. It was on top
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: of my like you don't want to sist in your skull,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: between the skin and the skull, like a not scary one.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: They cut it out and I had some little hairs
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: growing out of it still, and I kept it. I
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: asked me if I could have it, and I kept
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: it in this jar alcohol. It's about the size of
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: the end of your pinky. And I'd get to drinking
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: and get that thing out and tell people how I
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: was gonna catch a perch off that thing, and it
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: kind of overtime dissolved. That's too bad, and I never
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: got to never got to fulfill my my was back,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: and I used to like to drink a lot more
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: than I do now. I still like to have a
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: little drinking on him, but it never goes so far
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: that I get out my cist and started, I don't
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: get off with sist anymore ts and rolled it in
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: some glitter A truth ain't no youth, So does that
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: guy rode in? Um oh, and Anthony talked about the
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: thing that you were going to talk about real quick. Bigfoot. Yeah, yeah,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: one of my favorite subjects. Right. Uh So we have
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: this great report from the proceedings of the Royal Society,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: some organization and uh great Britain, and their mission here
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: was to take all these samples of hair that have
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: been collected over the years that for one reason or
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: another I have been identified as possible bigfoot here, bigfoot
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: sasquatch yettie, you know, depending because they're all over the world.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: So setting it up here that I think this is
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: really important. What I found was a very interesting point.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: They kind of lay out the theories of what these
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: creatures could be. Right, They could be some kind of
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: um remaining population of some sort of humanoid you know,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: chro magnet, not that exactly, but something like that. Um.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: They could be some species of extinct ape. But here's
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: the one that I had never heard. One theory is
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: that they are hybreds between humans and some mammal, which
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: I heard that one by, Like, I like that. I
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: would love to know what kind of other mammal human
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: could The bear comes by and it looks kind of
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: like uh so, I thought that was pretty fascinating. I
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: like to think about that theory. Maybe it's changing my mind.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Um yeah, that one doesn't get thrown out. The one
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: that gets thrown out is it's like uh like the
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: I think the lead one is that it's some other
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: primate exactly hiding out exactly some primate that that is unknown,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: or one of those other things. So they had fifty
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: seven samples of hair kind of up to real quick,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: please no, you know, I'll do it as a follow up,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Go ahead, fifty seven samples hair. For one reason or another,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: someone were kicked out some of carpet fiber, stupid stuff
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: like that. So but they're left. There was a there
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: was a bigfoot sample that turned out to be carpet fiber, right,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: plastic fiber. They think it was carpet fiber. Right, So
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: they end up with thirty seven and use genetic testing
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: and all these other scientific methods to identify what they are.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: And these these things came from Russia, from Arizona, from Washington, Texas, Oregon, India.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Turns out they're all animals we know and well, polar bear,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: brown bear, horses, cows, black bears, a lot of black bears, raccoons.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: One of the samples came from a human, so it
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: must have been somebody with very glorious locks, bigfoot like locks.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Maybe somebody with dreads. I don't know, um porcupine save
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: dirts back and probably get dude if I saw if
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: I wasn't with dirt, I saw him coming through the
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: was that shoot? It's real. Yeah, coyotes, cows, dogs, wolves,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: but alas, not a single big foot. It sounds like
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: a conspiracy. Not one freaking big foot in the whole
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: stack of hair sample. No, not one big foot. They had.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: They had three that they at first couldn't identify, and
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: they were thinking maybe it was like a highbread between
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: a grizzly and a polar bear. But it turns out
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: they were just polar bear hairs as well. You know
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: what the good part about this is what this will
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: not change anyone's no no like big big foot. Dude
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: is gonna be like, ah, never mind, I guess they're right.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: There is no big foot. There's no there's somebody staring
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: in their shoe box right now, being like, yeah, but
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: they haven't seen that. They have to see what I
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: found bag in my yard. Uh, guy rode in um
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: tell about his dad was going to buy a motorcycle
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: and their lording down the trailer and one thing leaves
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: you another and uh, one thing leaves you another. Any
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: in the trailer shifts? No, the I don't know he's
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: lowing a motorcycle into a trailer. One thing leads another
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: and his finger comes off his His ring finger on
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: his right hand was severed between the distal interphilangeal joint
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: and the proximal inter philangeal joint. And the dude he
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: was buying the motorcycle off of his dog ate it
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: and he wants to know. Um, he doesn't. He's doing
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: more than just telling the story. He's like, this happened
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: to you. What feelings did you have towards the dog
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: partial ownership? Would you be piste? He says, Um if
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: someone later told me that man, had you just grabbed
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: that before that dog ate it, we could have just
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: reattached it and you wouldn't have it. Now I would
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: be pissed. Could you get that? Can you make that
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: dog puke, or get it out of its stomach and
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: put it on. That'd be even better. My brother's dog
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Shifty ate it. You could have killed Shifty and cut
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: it open and that dog would have been fine. The
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: finger would have been fine, because that dog eats stuff
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: and doesn't chew it. You can give it a big
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: strip like whatever. The other day I had, I gave
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: it a we we were out hunting and we had
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: some smoke Canada goosebreast, and the dog was like dying,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: you could tell as hungry as I'll get out. And
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: I peeled away the skin off of smoke goosebreast and
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: it like, I didn't even pretend to chew it. It
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: just gone, not even one chew. When I was a kid,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: I had a lab that I was eating a popsicle
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: right yeah, and I said it too low. Lab came
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: out boom gone. Two days later, popsicle stick came out.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Strip stripped soccer right off at though as looking at
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: like you could like you could use it again, or
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: use it for a craft project, send it back in
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: for a refill. Another guy real quick, um. Another guy
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: rolled in. He's talking about like eating his own dog.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Would you eat your dog? Say, if my dog died,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: I was thinking about eating it. He said, when he
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: factors all the expenses he's got into that dog, he
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: said that that dog, the meat would be two seventy
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: dollars a pound. I don't know why he just sent
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: that in. No one's interested in that. Well, you beating dog?
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: How it tastes? Right? I didn't like it. Yeah, I
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: didn't like it one bit. Okay, one last thing. No
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: one's interested in that story. I thought I was good. Uh.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: We had talked about, you know what we're doing. We
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: we had Jason Phelps from Phelps Game Calls, that's right
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: as Buddy Dirk, and we got we got to pondering
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: who like kind of in vent of the diaphragm call,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: and a listener sent in a little clue. Yeah, we
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: were guessing like fifties sixties from you know some of
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: the names we kind of know that are still alive,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: like it must have been Will Primos. Yeah, Carlton, and
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: the guy rolled in with a clue. Yep, he says.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: In the n w t F Museum, which I've been in, Yeah,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: I'd like to go sometime stands for National Wild Turkey Federation.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: There is a display showing a patent from February five,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: eighteen sixties seven, submitted by S. McClane for the first
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: patent for a diaphragm type mouth call US Patent number
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: sixty one thousand, four eighty six. And there it looks
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: like a current diaphragm. Yeah, that's the that's the crazy
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: like takeaway is that the it's really nothing different from
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: what I've seen his little diagram from what we put
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: in our mouths now to make Alcolm Turkey seven what
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: year did he do the patent? Eighteen sixty seven? One year,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: one year after the Fetterman massacre. Well, I mean just
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: that's a brutal massacre story. Everything that was going on
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: in the US, Like it just kind of goes to
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: show you that, Uh, sometimes it doesn't slow down hunting
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: and fishing, because especially especially yeah, like what do you
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: hear a hunt story from ninety three, Like shouldn't you
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: been off fighting the war? Yeah? What U eighteen sixty seven?
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Especially if it's anywhere near where the NWTF Museum is located,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: which obviously it has, Like shouldn't you been just coming
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: rolling out of the Civil War? Yeah, it's like fire boys,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: I got an idea. Have you ever heard this gap?
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: That's what the rebel yelled. Since you mentioned it, can
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: you of us a quick synopsis of the Fetterman Oh,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't call it. It's it's euro it's eurocentric. To
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: called the Fetterman massacre. I take that back, be the
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Fetterman fight. It wasn't Wyoming the UM. I believe it
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: was a Sioux they had. There was a military fort
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: that was, you know, very much imposing on their traditional lands,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: trying to you know, telling the way that would be.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: I'm leading so heavy into this. There's a military fort
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: and there's like a contest of the whole West is
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: in contention. Who owns the West? Yeah? Well, the U. S.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Military sets up this fort, which would be like an outpost.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah in the brass the top brass is like, hey, man,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: no matter what, don't go over the top of that hill.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: And and you know, don't like, don't do it. But anyways,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: there's some uh, some you guys right up on top
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: of the hill and they're like, hey, screw you or whatever,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: and then they runoff over the back of the hill.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: And Fetterman could be getting parts this round, but the
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: most of them not fetterman like gets the bright idea
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: to chase after him over the top of the hill,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: and him and all of the boys vanished over the
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: top of the hill and never come back. And they
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: eventually wander up there, and I don't know how many
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: him or all in there, And he was the one.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: I wish I had the quote exactly, but he was
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: very confident and he said with his force he could
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: ride through the whole student nation, and that he couldn't
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: make it over that couldn't make it. And Crazy Horse
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: was very involved in that battle. But he was one
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: of the the ones who did the planning to set
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: up that ambush and was one of the sort of
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: decoys who came out and let everybody back in. And
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: it was a multi day thing, right, Like this part
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: of it, this part of it was astonishingly quick, I think,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: really because I thought they had shown up on that hill.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: But I mean, yeah, the the actual yeah, there was
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: like there was some preceding stuff and they had been
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: taunting them and torment them, and some I went out
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: to cut wood, I think, and they killed a couple
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: of the guys that went out to cut wood, and
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: one thing led another. But when the main thing happened
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: was a very well laid trap. Yeah, yeah, we hand
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: to hand fighting. Drove out Ben and I been on
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Brian and I drove out to that Vortex Extreme which
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: is in was outside of Douglas, Wyoming this year, and
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: so there's a lot of Fetterman stuff out there. So
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: I was relaying the story of the bound So I
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: was just trying to fight of his men. Oh yeah,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: he talked to like any of your Wyoming buddies. It's
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: so funny because I love that stuff, and like you
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: can just see like eyes rolled back in people's heads.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Like every single year growing up in Wyoming, you gotta
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: go out to Fort Federman. I would love it. Uh,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: why are we talking about that? Oh? He brought up
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: the Fetterman man. It was at McClean year after. I
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: just have certain bench. Did this guy get rich off
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: his game call patent? I mean he should have been
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: born about a hundred years later. I think, huh yeah.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: A quick internet starch did not reveal any more information.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: I do find it humorous here thought of that being
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: the rebel Yell. Can imagine eight dudes from across Yeah,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: go to the w go to the n WTF convention.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: What people silence blowing turkey calls song like probably rattle somebody,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Oh check this out, Watch this transition, watch this pivot.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: So uh Fetterman right, that was part of the Sioux War. Okay,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: and some of the participants at the Sioux War. You
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: guys tracking stay with some of the participants at the
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Sioux some of the participants at the Fetterman fight. We're
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: involved in the battle a Little Big Horn. At the
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: battle a Little Big Horn, one thing survived. Captain Keo's
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: horse Comanche had like bullet holes arrow holes in it,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: but lift Captain Keo was one of I think two
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: people whose bodies were not mutilated after the Little Big
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Horn battle. One because he's under a pile of dead horses,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: and that they it seems like they may didn't find
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: him down there and mutilate him. And Kio was unmutilated.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: And Kio had some like Catholic some like Roman Catholic
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: clan type thing around his neck, some piece of jewelry
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: around his neck, and is a theory is that they
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: saw that and and I wondered if he was like
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: a religious figure or something, and perhaps didn't mutilate Keyo.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: And during the punitive expeditions. Uh, when we came out
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: to them enact vengeance on the tribes that were involved
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: in the in the Custer Fight. We set up a
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: military fort in present day Miles City and they bestowed
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: upon that fort the name Captain Kia or Fort Kyo,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: which brings up the Fort Kyo Gate situation, the Fort
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Kyo fight, the Four Kyo fight. Well done, Yeah, that
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: was like well done. You want to talk about some
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: phenomenal hosting? Is there no bill prize and host I
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: was gonna ask, is there an awards? Is there like
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: a Pulitzer and hosting? Yes? Um Pulzer prize for hosting? Uh, cal,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: go ahead, you're supposed to be all up speed on this. Yeah.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: So uh interesting situation. There is a lonely but well
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: used or was well used at one point. Um boat
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: ramp river access Um that is actually on U. S.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: D A property which is part of Is it an
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: experimental station out there? Is that? What? Yeah, it's a
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: research facility called for Kyo for Kyo Research Facility. Um,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: they're right out outside of Myle City. But um, yeah,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: they do a bunch of great work, man, I mean
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: they work, They do a lot of they do cattle work,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: they genetic work, range range land stuff, invasive plants. There's
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: a lot of valuable work comes out of Fort Key
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: full ecosystem focus really I mean really neat stuff even
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: like I know that there's research that comes out of
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: there too. And you having to do with after a
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: coal mining operation, Um, best best ways to re establish
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: shrubs and forbes and things when when you're in the
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: remediation process, so like you know, clean up stuff afterwards,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: not clean up, but getting robust plant ecosystems back in
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: shape and disturb ecosystems. Yeah, and and ecosystem not like monoculture.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Uh tons of work range land, rangeland cattle and what
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: cattle e yeah yeah um and uh yeah. So anyway,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: there used to be uh you know, general public access
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: to this boat ramp. Then a couple of bad apples
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: spoiled that access by um doing what every Eastern Montana
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: kid knows not to do, which is go out and
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: drive around after it rains out there in the hot
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: dog and around egg fields, tore up egg fields, tore
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: up the road. Um, and you know, as a lot
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: of folks would do. They said, well enough of this
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: and they closed it off and then uh, a handful
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: of groups got together while I unlimited, um general maybe
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: there's a general sportsman's group for Miles City. Uh, the community,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: a lot of community members, community members, a lot of
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: businesses within Miles City. Uh, backcountry hunters and anglers all
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: got together. They raised a little over ten grand I
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: believe too, for these very specific purpose of getting this
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: river access open to the public on by finding a
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: middle ground of installing a key code gate. So there's
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: some accountability for folks using the access because you would
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: have to call in get a code, probably provide your
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: license plate number als you're you know, fishing license number
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: or something like that, and uh, everything was good to go. Yeah,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: and this is uh did you cover this? I feel
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: like you did that. There's not a lot of reliable Um,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: there's not much reliable river access in this area because
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: the river fluctuates. Yes, it's a it's a wildly fluctuating
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: water level. Yeah, and so there's oftentimes not a good
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: place to launch. And this is like one that's like always,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: no matter what the river is doing, you can launch here. Yeah.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: And I want to say there's like seventy plus you
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: gotta go about seventy miles give or take to the
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: next like very reliable access unless you use this kind
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: of below water mark access with which is like kind
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: of the legal exactly. So um, it's always better to
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: have these established things. It's just better for for everything
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: centralizes the human impact on areas. So um, everything was
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: going around well, and then the U s d A
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: came to the conclusion that this that it had to
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: be done through slightly different means, and it really slowed
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: the process down. So you meanwhile, people have spent a
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: lot of money specifically to address the problem, and they
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: had the goal line like right there, it's like this
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: is going to be done by this date, and we
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: have this money very specifically. It's not just going to
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: this general pot, it's going to this very specific thing
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: that everybody wants and everybody's behind it. And here's this
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: date coming down the road, and you know, government just
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: doesn't move that fast. Um. And so they're trying to
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: get basically an easement through U s d A land
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: that I believe Montana Fishing Game would then be in
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: charge of that ease month and people trying to work
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: through sort of a legal process by which this could happen,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: and this donated money you could get put to the purpose.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: But as you can imagine, if you're Joe Walleye or
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: definitely Joe Ducker goose Hunter and the seasons coming down
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: the pipe, and you were all fired up about this
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: access and you probably pitched a couple of bucks in
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: the pot at a point night or something. Now you're
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: starting to get pretty piste and fingers are starting to
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: get pointed, and um so, what would be very very
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: helpful if you like to recreate UH in a smart
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: state like the state of Montana that has awesome water
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: access laws, I would be very helpful if you contacted
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: your duly elected officials or you know, if you happen
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: to know a guy who looks like or knows Sonny Perdue,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: or or if you know Sonny Perdue, you may want
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: to give him a call. That would be extremely helpful.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: Um Here in the state of Montana, if you got
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: a hold of Steve Danes, UH Senator tester or Greg
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: gene Forte and so the senators testers Senators Tester and
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Danes Representative Greg gene Forte and asked him to try
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: to help work with h f w P. Your Montana, Fish,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Wildlife and Parks in the U. S d A r
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: S Regional Planes Office in Fort Collins, Colorado, try very
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: helpful to try to navigate this thing and figure out
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: something that's gonna work for everybody. And this is all
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: like a very positive thing, is just moving slow and
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: and um, we got a lot of really good intention
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: folks with their money tied up. Yeah, it's not like
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: there's not like a bad guy, and it's just a
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: matter of you know, you gotta have mechanisms in place
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: to do this kind of stuff. And I think that
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: at this point it just seems like a little bit
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: of political muscle would go a long way and helping
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: grease this up. Because again, man, you get people to
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: come together with like this real common calls, like who
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: can argue with you know, the importance of good river access. Man,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Like people came in and pitched in the money, and
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: it's just kind of a shame to have that pot
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: of money sitting there. Yeah. And and again, like anybody
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: who's built anything, like you know, eventually you hit a
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: few speed bumps that slows down that finished construction date. Um,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: and that's really what's happening here. So but phone calls, emails. Um,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: you know, and again, if you know some folks who
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: know the folks, UM, don't be afraid to give them
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: a shout. It's a real good deal. Oh yeah, you know.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: There's one more thing you can do if you go
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: to www dot Backcountry hunters dot org forward slash open
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: for Kyo and uh. I guess it's important to note
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: that Kyo has spelled k e O g h Um.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: There's a bunch of good information on the whole story
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: that I just told you, and I think it'll leaven
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: give you us some outreach options, ladies and gentlemen, Ryan Calahan,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Oh if you want more from Cal Cal's Weeken Review. Yeah,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: just the only good thing on the internet, it's the
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: only thing on the Internet that is of any value,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: is Cal's Weeken Review. It's now being used in school curriculums,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Is that right, Cal, Yeah, we got I would honestly,
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: I would love love, love love if the person who
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: wrote the iTunes review for Cal's Weeken Review, what that
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: says you are making this mandatory listening for your high
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: school science class out to me? Yeah. Cal's Weeking Review
• 44:43
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• 44:47
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• 44:50
  Speaker 1: love it because it's got good sound effects. Yeah, Coty
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: of Phil fills the sound of the engineer. Okay, next
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: time we have to talk about is I got Um?
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: If you if you came to me and said, who's
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: the person you would who's the person that you would
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: uh least want to be unhappy with you? I would say,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: like the Massad, he's really Massad. And then I'd say
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Doug durn if it was personal, that's like what I
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: would like like that would be the order. I want
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: to know where I fall on the list. Oh you've
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: been mad at me before, haven't you? Yeah? I would
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: if someone told if I came in to where someone
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: like Yanni's Maddie, I'd be like, I'll talk to him.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: What could be? Uh yeah, I wouldn't be like worried
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: about it. I feel like we'd get through it. Yeah,
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: for sure. Um, Doug's all mad at me because we
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: were talking to and we're doing something we don't normally do.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Is Doug dug Duran has joined us by phone? Um
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: we kind of ambushed him. We we were talking to
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: some guys, some q d M A on a on
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: a recent episode I think it's called the episodes called
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Managing Bambi. We were talking about a lot of stuff
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: around whitetail deer. Um oh, because it's kind of a
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: crash course in all things white tail deer in the
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: news and whatnot. And I made a mistake. I made
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: a regrettable. I made a regrettable. I was, you know,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: when you're trying to make a point now and then
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: and you kind of oversell the point. There should be
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: word for that. I remember Limbaugh would rush Limbaugh what
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: once said something it's not quite it. He said, like
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: demonstrating absurdity by being absurd, meaning you like when you're
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: like arguing, you float some like intentionally like absurd point
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: as a rhetorical strategy. And I had said how and
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: I somehow we got on c w D chronic wasting disease,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: which is very serious, and I made some I made
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: a comment that I regret. It was like it didn't
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: didn't capture my sense. Meant, I made a comment I
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: regret where I said the only thing I'm worried about
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: was c w DS, that someone would catch it, that
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: it would jump the species barrier. And I had said
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: some stupid thing like, oh, there's all kinds of stuff
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: that there's all kinds of stuff that kills deer, so
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: who cares, It's just one more thing that kills deer.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: And what the point I was trying to make and
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: I didn't make it? Well, the point I was trying
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: to make it, I guess it's like it was that
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: I was saying. The thing that really really scares me,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: The thing that really really scares me is that hunters
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: um would contract chronic wasting and disease from eating dear meat.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Like that is extremely scary to me. And somehow some
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: people interpreted that to be that I don't take c
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: w D seriously or I don't think it's a serious thing,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: or I'm somehow not concerned about it. It's like, that's
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: definitely not true. But the thing that most scares me,
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: the thing that most scares me, was that dear meat
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: would somehow be determined to be or it would become
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: um essentially inedible from infected animals that super like that, Like,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: I feel that you could hold that belief and my
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: my feelings on CRD are more complicated than that, but
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: you could hold that belief and use just that as
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: a thing for all the reason in the world why
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: we should be researching, fighting, stopping prevention of So I
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: don't know how that got taken to be like, I'm
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: like light on my concerns about c w D. But Doug,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: who's joining us here? Doug explained to me, like, let's
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: say God came down and said, I hereby declare that
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: humans cannot get c w D. I've designed this disease
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: to be uh incapable of infecting a human. Why would
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: people Why if you knew that to be true, why
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: does c w D matter? Well, first of all, I'd
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: like to say that, Um, if I was to make
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: a list of people who were upset with that, I
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: wouldn't want mad at me. The first one would be
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: my wife and the second one would be Steve or Ellis.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: So I guess, yeah, don't kill you well, thinking not
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: my life. UM. So to answer your question, the UM,
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: you know there's and you know the other thing that
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: is that there's all kinds of stuff that that killed deer,
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: and that is very true, and all of the different
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: diseases that killed deer. UM don't do it in a
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: pretty way. UM h D doesn't kill them in a
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: pretty way. It kills them click. C w D doesn't
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: kill them in you know, there's no pretty way of
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: deer dying. So it's beyond that. C w D UM
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: has a has an impact on the resource that isn't
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: UM just short term, because it persists in the environment,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: because it persists within the herd. Once you have it,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: essentially don't get rid of it. So UM that then
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: goes on too. If you don't have it, you don't
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: want it in your area. Yeah, it's not like like
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: meaning like e h D or what you know people
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: call sometimes refer to as blue tongue, like it passes through.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: It passes through, do you get sick and do you die?
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: It goes away and then maybe you don't see it
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: again for twenty years, right, And it's all dependent on
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: whether and that midge and drought and all of that.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: And interestingly, one of the things that I've learned recently
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: about e h D was that there were deer that
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: we're taken from northern climates and taken to um Texas
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: and places like that for breeding purposes, and those deer
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: were insured UM their lives were insured, you know, like
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: loads of London or some a insurance company like that,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: and they would take those deer too, um, someplace like
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: Texas where they didn't really have a problem with the
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: HD because the deer had developed an immunity to it.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: Over time, they take these bucks down there for breeding purposes,
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: they get the h D and die and then they
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: were collecting on the insurance policy. And now they don't
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: insure dear anymore. But of course what also has changed
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: is they now take those dear two um a breeding
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: facility in a little tube. Um. They actually take semen
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: there um now, so that's one of the things that
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: they've learned in that. So that's that is a big difference.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: That the h D dies out and then if the
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: conditions have to be right for it again to appear
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: again a drought condition. And actually, Spencer really really good
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: of summary about HD the other day that I read
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: on website that I thought was really good. Yeah at
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: the media or dot com ladies and gentlemen. Yeah. Um,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: So that's the biggest thing. Once you have it, you
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: have it so then um, and then it's going to
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: well then and then can have an impact on the
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: resource for both in the short and long term. Umsults
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: of me here UM prevalence in bucks, and we talked
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: about this on that with the two m guys. That
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: prevalence has gotten real high assault of us. We have
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: all the prevalence in the box. Um one of the
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: landowners down there who has reached out to me and
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: I've spent some time with all his land for to
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: manage for big Bucks and and and balance hurt and
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: all those QTM ideas UM, and his essentially stays not.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: We don't see big Box anywhere. They don't get UM
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: of the of the box on the ground at one
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: given time are infective with c w D, which is
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: always fatal. That are always that is always fatal. Prevalence
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: is of course based on the data that they have
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: and the number of tests, and they're able to extrapolate
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: all these numbers. UM, that prevalence is that box an
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: adult does. UM, it's less both in yearling bucks in
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: arling does. But it's even shown up uh down there
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: in phones as well. So if all these fatal to
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: zero disease that's going to kill that deer in two
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: years or something related to that disease, you know, it's
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: like it's sort of like um, oh cancer or you know,
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: any any other kind of thing you get, you get
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: stick from it, and you're as your immunity system, your
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: body becomes weaker and end up dying. Maybe you don't
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: die of cancer, or you don't die you don't die
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: of lung cancer as a smoker, but you die of
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: of uh you know something else that pneumonia commune system
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: and your body pneumonia exactly. And that's actually what a
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: fair number of deer um with c w D die
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: from is things like pneumonia, um uh, you know, um
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: choking on their own um, you know, spit, vomit, things
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: that are not vomit but their own bodily fluids, that
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: sort of thing, because they don't have that ability to
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: to do it anymore. So that idea that well deer aren't.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: But that dear didn't die a CD. It got um it.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: It's died in pneumonia or you know, it's it it
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: got killed by a predatory more easily because it's a
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: defense system is down't or because of what it does
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: to their brain. They have walked, you know, maybe walking
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: out on the highland moor or something like that. So
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: there's all the number of things that both sickness is
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: and other things that can happen UM as a result.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: So if you wound up, go ahead, But because that
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: deal thinks, but because that deer is going to die
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: of the disease within two years, imagine a year old
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: or a year link bocker of another buck, he's not
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: gonna make it to be uh, he's not gonna make
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: it to be a three year old deer. And that's
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: what we're starting to see now. So even though in
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: our area they predicted or saltum here of the endemic
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: area when they predicted that um seventeen years ago, may
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: being the Department Natural Resources and some of the other
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: efforts that this is going to have a huge impact
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: on the deer. Our deer population is still going out.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: But what's happened because we just have such a great
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: place for growing deer that the models didn't maybe take
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: that into consideration. But what is happening is trending to
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: a younger deer population. And then of course so UM,
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: so there's that. I mean, that's really the biggest the
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: bigger impact on the resource is UM. You know, it's
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: my concern and I think Matt from qd M A
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: who you know, it did a great job, and I
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: actually talked with him, uh currently regularly about listen some
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: other issues. Um did a great job of sort of explaining, uh,
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: you know, some of those those things after the fact.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: So if if if I know you're out working right now,
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: but quick question for you and we'll pick this up
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: because you you know you've been you're on the show
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: all the time. We'll talk more about it, but real quick,
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: like you've you've emerged as like a c w D crusader,
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: right like you're like the you might even be looking
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: like some people in your area might think you're like
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: the crazy c w D guy because you're really driving
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: awareness in your area. And I don't I'm not trying
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: to joke, because you're doing it in a very constructive
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: way of really looking for striving for solutions and striving
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: for consensus. But that's why I ask out all fairness,
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: because you were like pissed at me about what I said,
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: because in some ways it would be that that you've
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: kind of made this in a way your your life's work,
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: and then someone like demeaning that. But if you knew,
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: if you were in the scenario where let's say you're
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: a ten right now, you're like a on a number
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: one to ten. You're a ten and your fight on
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: c w D. If you knew that there's no chance
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: for human infection, do you think you'd still be a ten?
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: Or would you honestly be down in the seven eight range?
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: UM one, I'd like to think I'm a CWD avenger
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: um and who I would be attend really And the
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: reason for it is the impact on the resource. It's conservation.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: I yes, I concerned myself about um eating venison, um
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: and and people eating venison, but the fact that what
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: it does to what it does to individual dear, but
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: then also the impact on the resource. UM, I really
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: would I mean honestly, some of the things. I mean,
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: you know, I used to do buck management. We don't
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: do it anymore. I'd love to be able to do
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: that again. UM And could I and could I do that? Well?
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: Sure we would still have and we killed some nice
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: bucks here last year, but um we would still that
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: that would continue to happen. But as that prevalence gets
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: higher and high year, we um, dear are they're dying
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: and they're they're and they're not reaching those older ages.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: So we're not getting to that older older age class,
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: which debate whether deer actually need to have age class
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: uh dear a trust all the age classes or not,
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: whether that's important the resource or not. But I'd love
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: to see that again. I mean, there's nothing like seeing
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: a big giant buck um And so yeah, I would
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: be concerned about it, and I would like to continue
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: to concer no matter what. I would want to control
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: prevalence um, so the percentage of gear that have it,
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: but then also the spread so that it's not going
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: on to the next place. You know. One of the
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: analogies that people have used is you keep your kids home, uh,
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: keep your kids home from school, and they're six, so
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: they don't go and in fact other other kids. And
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: we're kind of at the point here where on the
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: north edge of the of the streat of c w
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: D that I'm trying to keep your kids home from
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: school so that folks north of us of their kids
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: aren't getting six so they're dearing, kidding sick. So it
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: makes sense. No, it makes total sense. Man again, Doug Well,
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: I yeah, what you're on all the time. We'll have
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: you on again to talk more about this. Uh forgive
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: the have to do over the phone. But I said,
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: I got an email from Doug that said, this is
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: an email I'd never thought I'd need to write to you,
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: which is not how I like to start my morning.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: Well are we do we still? We still love each other? Right?
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: I love you, man, I really do. And I appreciate this. Um,
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: I appreciate the call and the opportunity and and uh,
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: I apologize for being a little heavy handed with some
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: of that, but I UM, you know, as I think
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: I told you, I've gotten a lot of contacts about it,
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: and every time I did, I got upset with you
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: more than I should have. And I tried to get
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: people and I hope some people have written to meet
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: either because I said, look, let them know, not just me.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it was. It was dumping to say it was.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: It was, I was. I was making a point. I
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: should have said what really scares me or what especially
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: scares me? But yeah, yeah, and I UM, I also
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: want to say that in the of all of the
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: work that you've done in conservation and and everything you've
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: done for conservation and the voice that you are, it
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: pretty hard to to fault you when we're talking about
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: thirty seconds of time in a really a lifetime career
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: and uh so um that's I guess that's part of
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: the part of the deal. But I appreciate the opportunity.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: And you know, I love you like a brother, as
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: as the case with some of those other guys there.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: So um, thanks very much. All right, thanks Doug. We'll
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: talk about more. I was wanting to clear the air
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: because I haven't been able to sleep at night. Think
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: he didn't love me. Alright, talk to dog. All right,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: we're walking the way out of here. Man, I got
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: that taking care of now. Okay, who uh do you
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: want to tell your elk story? So I tell my
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: elk story. Um, depends on what you're looking for. You know,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: mine's a big, fancy private land scenario. You're a everyday man,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: the nails, blue collar hero. Let's hear your fancy one. Um.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: So I got like very spoiled spoiled kid, um chance
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: to go hunt a big private ranch that is owned
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: and operated by the Nature Conservancy in eastern Oregon. It's
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: called the zoom Walt Prairie Preserve, and their mission statement
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: out there is to preserve the last um largest contiguous
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: chunk of bunch grass prairie. Um bunch grass prairie ecosystem,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: and it is uh, really gorgeous. It's right outside of
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: joseph An Enterprise, Oregon UM, which I understand are getting
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: like more popular with um like your Portlands tourist crowd
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: out there. So folks is kind of starting to discover
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: that area. And I actually have some friends with a
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: ranch in that same spots. I've been traveling out there,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: uh you know, every other year or so, and and
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: it is big, like Feeder Stream tributary country for uh,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: Snake River Hills Canyon, and it's like big. So you
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: have those big flat top plateaus and then these big
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: banded kind of cliff band grassy drops all the way
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: down into like really dried um kind of desert country. Yes,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: that's stuff that It's like those one of those areas
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: where you feel like you're in the mountains because there's
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: so much topography, but then you realize there's no like uplift.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's just like it's like a flat thing
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: that's been washed away rather than a jaggy thing that's
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: been shelved up. Yeah, I mean it's yeah, you could
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: travel the tops in a mountain bike, you know, with
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: with no trail almost so um. But so they're there
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: to this big private chunk with an access component there
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: cowell hunters starting out there at the same time. I
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: was the opening day in that areas August August. But
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: like in Alaska, their full swing by them. But here
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: it seems it feels weird. Tolorado starts archery elk in August.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: Are they hard horned? Yeah? Yeah, we we spotted a
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: few that were like still had plenty velvet hanging off
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: of them, you know, but they had started to shadows.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: It was cool. Um, but um, big bachelor groups of
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: bulls and uh not all playing grab bass yet there
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: is like a little bit of that winding up and
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: it I mean I would tell anybody who can you know,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: I mean you got to diversify and like watch those
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: animals every opportunity you get, because it's just like really neat,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: interesting her dynamic stuff when all those bulls are together
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: and where you can see like how everybody beds down
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: and the biggest bowls are like so covered up by everybody. Yeah,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: like I'll take the middle boys, yeah exactly. You know
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: that spot right next to the rock that you can't
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: really see what's coming up behind you? Why don't you
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: take that. I'm gonna be down here in this hole. Um.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: And then yeah, they're like they'd get up and stretch,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: and then they'd like look at each other and go
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: over there and like gently gently tap antlers together. For
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: then they'd be like, I'm gonna eat some more, um.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: And then but then get like real aggressive on a
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: tree and then somebody. It was just interesting. Can you
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: just like see the wheels starting to turn? Like, oh God,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: that makes me want to do something, but I know
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: it's not quite time yet, and it's super fun. And
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: I will tell you never felt like such a bugling
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: pro because every I would say of my bugles were
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: responded to. But they're just getting to where they feel
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: like they want a bugle. Yeah, and so you'd like
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: you'd bugle and be like bloo bloop bloop, but you know,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: nobody's like what did you say. It's all like, yeah,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: I'm over here. They're not oh no no, but they
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: like they like doing it. Yeah. It was I mean
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: it was fun and uh, certainly not a situation where
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: you have that monkey on your back. Like, boy, I
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: only got a couple of days and I haven't found
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: ELK yet. You know, like it was. It was pretty amazing.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: One spotted a couple of raghorn bowls underneath the tree,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: went over there, checked him out and started looking and
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: there's like sixteen bowls in there. Sixteen you know, you're
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: just like, oh my god, like giants too or what? Um? So,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: according to Chad Dotson, who was a preserved steward, so
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: if you have an ANTLERD tag out on the preserve,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: you have to be accompanied by a preserved steward. Um
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: for what purpose? Uh? I think it's it's purely because
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: those tags are UM such high value because they're they're
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: used as UM fundraiser tags for UM all these local
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: So basically it's set up UM like a grant, so
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: all the charities in that area can basically apply for
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: one of these tags to then use as a major
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: fundraiser for that group. But they want to prevent what
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: from happening. Well, I think it's it's more of like, hey,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: you have this very special thing, we want to make
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: sure it's a special thing for you to kind of
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: maintain the value of the tag. UM. And so the
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: preserve stewards go out and they're like, you know, I
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: would probably hold off on shooting that bowl, because is
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: if we just look a little bit longer, we're gonna
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: find something bigger and something older. Yeah, presumably they know
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: all the property boundaries and yeah yeah, I definitely know
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: the property boundaries and and um the uh to get
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: elk living a long time out there too, and the
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: individual get old. Yeah, and they um part of the
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: deal out there, Like if you're a rifle hunter, you
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: got to use non let immunition. Um, everybody is required to.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: There's a big survey questionnaire that you gotta fill out. Um,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: after the hunt you gotta send in um tooth so
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: they can buy ops yet um and uh yeah, I
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: mean it's all it's super neat stuff and and really
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: cool program. Didn't you trip and fall and almost land
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: on a bear school? Yeah yeah yeah, which was just
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: like a total So the interesting part here is, yes,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: I shot now turned out to not be a good shot,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: Like the interesting stuff came after and um, so I
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: shoot the bowl. It was a twenty four yard shot.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: How was another good shot? I thought the fell right off. Yeah,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: but this is like all this after the fact stuff,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: So you know, I have this great shot. I have
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: all the time in the world take my time well
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: within my comfort range with your curve bow. This was
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: with the long bow. UM, and I shoot the bowl
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: reacts the sound of the arrow hitting the bowl, it
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: was very familiar as like that sounds like a very
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: good shot. Um. Like sounded like bone and lung and
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: you know because it kind of had that like crunch
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: kind of sound to it. Um, that was my like
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: a little deflation type sound. And um. And the this
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: is a huge bodied bull and he's got this really
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: distinct old man bugle um. But then when he stepped out,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: he's like like not that big of a antlerd bull, um,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: but you know, too good to pass up. And the
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: bull reacts like he is immediately falling over. And he
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: runs and this on a very steep slope, like I said,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: like on the edge of the canyon. And uh, he
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: reacts like he's fallen over the whole time, and running
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: faster than any healthy animal would down this slope. Then
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, somehow hits the brakes, makes a
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: ninety degree turn, takes a couple of steps on this
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: what turns out to be a game trail, and disappears
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: from site. Um. At that point, i'd ripped a big bugle.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah. My theory is like bugle, particularly with big
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: bulls after their hit, um, because I find that they
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: re act better too, like their anger sense of anger,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: like think you might think he might pause him thinking
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: that another bull hit him, right, um and so and
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: he turned and hit that trail went out of sight
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: and I'm waiting and then I hear crack boom move
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: boom boom boom boom, and I kind of like laughed
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: to myself like it sounds like you fell all the
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: way to the bottom. Har har and he had he had. Yeah.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: So there the and there's a lot of logistics talk
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: on this Boston aidlers all the way down and whatnot.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: It is pitch black by the time I start trailing,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: but because of that crashing noise, I'm very confident that
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: I'm going to recover the animal. Um. You know, up
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: until now, like everything's like out of a dusty playbook, right,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, yeah, this is an area, so go down.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: I find it was actually easier to track in the moonlight,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: um oddly enough or not in the head lamp light, um,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: because like there's so much elk signe over there. But
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: like the big digger marks of this bowl running so
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: crazy just seemed to pop out more in the head lamp,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: more in the light. Yeah, and uh the more in
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: the head lamp. It was pitch black. There is no Yeah,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I misspoke, and uh so I'm tracking him.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: Then I find the arrow and I'm like, oh, that's
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: not good. First of all, I'm like, I am the
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: best tracker in the world. I found the arrow on
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: the pitch black, and then I look at the arraw
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: on I'm like, I am a terrible shot because I
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: ended up hitting him in the front low on the
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: front left leg. So I mean the bottom basically like
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: the bottom of the shoulder um above above the elbow um.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: And uh that leg broke. Oh but it didn't break
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: on impact. It broke when he This is all right
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: my assumptions here of the data I collected. But it
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: broke once he took a couple of steps on that
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: game trail. Um and you know, I have the bone
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: with the broadhead in it, and there's a big spiral
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: fracture up and the break was actually below the impact
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: of the broadhead. And then that sent that bowl tumbling downhill.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: That called him to fall off the cliff and he
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: fell off three cliffs and I'm you know, I'm picking
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: my way down through this stuff. But that whole bowl
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: and this is the biggest bodied elk I have ever
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: certainly ever taken myself. But that whole bowl was you know,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: somewhere between six and ten ft off the ground three
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: different times. And uh, I had to have with a
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: mount and go at one time who was like thirteen
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: pounds or something to meat. This was the I wish
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: I could I do, wish I could somehow contextualize this
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: properly and then and then show the pictures online because
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: the trauma is is just ghastly. And I didn't make
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: the comment I'm like, man, I wonder if Oregon Fishing
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: Game would slip me a cow tag because I don't
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: know if any of this is going to be usable.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: But the rock slides um that the bowl had to
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: have gone through. He was traveling so fast that there
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: was very very little blood. Um there was zero hair,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: which I found just unbelievable. Um. But I at first
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: like like, well, this is the way he had to go,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: and I can't find any sign of It's all active
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: rock slides, so they're all smooth, and and then I
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: see this rock that looks like somebody hit it with
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: a hammer, you know, like all chipped white and broken.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what, it's odd. And then I look and
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: I'm shining the head lamp around, and I can see
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: the bright white inside of an antler, like the core
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: of the antler is shining bright white. It's like reflective almost,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, okay, well, here's a chunk of
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: an antler. And then there's a chunk of an antler,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: and then there's a chunk and then I can see
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: like more busted rock, just same same way, like you're
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: just whacking it with a hammer every ten ft. And
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: then I can see the roots of a tree tipped
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: over and I'm like, oh, that's fresh. And then yeah,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: that was like really every bit of ten feet. But
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to like his body hit the tree and
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: uproot of the tree. Yeah, And then off this major
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: cliff and then and I have to like jump down
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: probably like a five ft drop section, and I'm trying
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: not to fall and slide off, and I look between
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: my feet and there's like a pinky size tip of
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: a horn, tip of an antler tip right in between
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: my feet and I'm like, oh, one piece of a time,
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: um like that Johnny Cash song and uh, I can't
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: stand that song. They's fitting under these circumstances, man, and
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: uh and yeah. So then I continue down the slide path.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: But it's just so odd, right, and it's like that
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: when you're tracking at night. I'm like, Okay, here he's
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: gonna be and then he's no elt. I'm like, there's
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: just it's not I have dropped so much elevation, right,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: And I'm always like very hesitant to drop elevation unless
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: I really know, but I'm so I'm crossing little side
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: gaps off the list and then going down and then
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden go through this next cliff band
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: and I slip and fall hard, and I look over
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: with my head lamp and there's this bear skull just
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: grinning at me. It's awful ominous warning. Warning really gave
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: me a stop, right, And it's like that bear had
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: laid down and died right there, because it is just perfect,
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: and like the canines sitting there eyes looking at me,
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: or the sockets looking at me, and he says, your
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: bullet is gone, and I was just like, you know,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: I just it was like, what put you and me
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: here at the same same time? Like you should spot
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't be here or something, and so yeah, that
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: kind of just threw me for a loop, um, because
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: when do you ever see that? And I'd go a
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: little bit further. At that point, Um, Chad and uh
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: Waring had gotten all the way around to the bottom,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: so they'd gone all the way to the back, and
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: I was like, hey, grab my chainsaw, um grab you know,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: here's like the list of things to chaw for because
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: I didn't know the condition of the two track road
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: in the bottom. Um if we could use that saw
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: to like cut some dead timber out of the way
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: or just make things easier, you know, And they had
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: to go through there anyway, so I figured why not? Um,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: And you know, at this point, I'm like two yards
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: off the bottom, like the bottom bottom, and Chad starts
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: hiking up and about a hundred feet from like the
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: actual creek bottom is that bowl all piled up? And
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: so he actually got to him before I did. In
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: a total mess. Yeah, in in a in a total
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: mass man. And just yes, that bowl could have been
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: a six by six, but now it's a two by three,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: two by four. If the way it bro you would
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: count like the continuation of the main beam as a point.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: There's the sheared off part of the main beam as
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: a point. Yeah, so um, what a disaster. Yeah. And
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: the thing is huge, like it is a huge bowl
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: and man, start cutting that thing and like and I
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: made the comment, I'm like, man, it looks like you
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: got shot with a shotgun because it's just like peppered
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: from that ride down the mountain. And uh so I
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: start at the anus, right and I'm cut up and
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: I start peeling that hideback and it you know, all
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: these bowls I've been watching through the phone scope and
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: like watching for days, and I'm just remarking the whole
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: time how fat they are. Oh my god, look at
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: the fat, Like you can see it ripple, you know,
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: And that's just not something you see even early in
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: that typical archery season because they've been doing a lot
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: of running and um, and this fat is like obliterated.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: It is particulate fat. Oh like that was the cushion
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: and it is a mess and it's got awful and
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: I'm just sick to my stomach. But then you kind
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: of get through that that layer of fascia um right
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: above the meat, and everything started looking clean. Um. But
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: I just yeah, the pictures are yeah, I mean I
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: sent you guys. I think your honest is like what
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: am I looking at? It's just like but like the
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: anus was blown out of it. All the ribs were
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: broken right below the spine on one side. On the
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: opposite side. When I started to cut the loin out, Um,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: I made like half a cut in that fashion layer
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: and the loin just dropped into my hands like it
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: had come It had detached from the spine and the ribs. Um.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: You know. It's well, I think I told you probably
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: ten times. But when I had that mountain goat that fell,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: its skull was opened, its brain was gone, and I
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: found its long tucked tucked up between its shank and
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: it's hide no his ankle, yeah, man, no skinning, no
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: necessary skinning coasts. The hide, it completely separated, was just
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: held on by the hoofs. Wow. No, but yeah, so
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: I didn't. This is just kind of one of those things, right,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: It's like, uh, who knows, like the thing it's just
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: there's not a lot there's not like a lot of
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: lessons to learn here. I think the lesson is like,
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: had you just taken it at phase value and like
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: not being a heart eater, you would have been like, oh,
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: slipped her through the shoulder and whacked him in the heart.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: But I dug the heart out and I'm like, there
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: is definitely not a broad head hole in this thing. Um,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: I did find bruising inside the heart. And I asked
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: e m T. Buddy, I'm like, you, uh, figure like
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: if there's a cardiac arrest type situation, they'll be bruising
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: inside the heart. And uh, he said, typically it comes
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: from a blockage outside the heart, and so there's not
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: bruising inside the heart. But maybe somebody can write in
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: and let us know about that, Like really old Elk
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: freaked out had a heart attack, and that's you know.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: But so you're you're saying this because you don't know
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: what killed it, that the arrow placement may have killed
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: it eventually, but it didn't kill it that fast, and
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: it fell. The lesson to be learned or the takeaway
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: from me or ad is like you aren't as good
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: as you think you are with that bow because you
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: definitely made a mistake. So um, that's that's a good
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: lesson and I got really freaking lucky. Man, So did
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: you try any of the meat yet? All I've all
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: I have eaten as the heart. And then I had
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: a couple of friends in town um that weekend, and
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: they helped, but true, and so I sent them with
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: some of the meat. Um, and they were there for
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: the butchering job. But like inside those loins there would
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: be um just if they it looked like actual like
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: burst blood vessels. And and so they they actually, um,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: they were there like camping across the country, and they
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: cooked it up and they said it was really good,
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: exceptionally tender. But yeah, man, I mean and that's I'll
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: take a pack of that. That's yeah, definitely the I
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: don't know, I I one another takeaway is like you
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: just you're never as long as you hunt as many
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: of these scenarios as you see, they're all unique, and
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: you're never gonna get to a point where you're like, oh, yeah,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: I've seen that, let me tell you what happened, you know.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: So I like that part of last time I had
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: a big bull fall off cliff. Yeah, but we figured, um,
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: you know, every every bit of six vertical feet that bowl.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, you think about that filled the engineer. Uh,
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know. If it were on tracks, would be
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: a fun roller coaster. It sounds like the best phils got. Wow.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: Did you like that story? Yeah, yeah, it was great.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: I had heard some of some of it before, but
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: the bare skull is new. Like like that touch, that's
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: a good one. Yeah. So you're enjoining yourself down here, Yeah,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: having a great time and it's so hot, you know,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: we're we got that thing back and got the meat
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: all hung up cooling. Um uh three am. It was
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: probably in bed by a four am. Yeah. That's that's
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: what you sign up for when you're shooting bowls at
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: night and in the heat. Right. So I hate doing
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: that too, Like I've I've called her quits early many
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: nights because I'm like, man, I just don't feel like
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: doing that whole situation up. Man. Um, you know, next
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: week when we're hunting out together, I sure hope you
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: kill one in the morning and makes life that much easier.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: That's that's the story I'm gonna tell right now. But
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: me and my brother went out elk hunting. You could
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: start off saying, let me tell you how it should be.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you how it should work. So we uh,
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: opening morning here just not too long ago, oh a
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: week ago, where the hell was a little over a
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: week ago? Um, no week will be tomorrow week. Tomorrow. Well,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: it opens on Saturday. And we on Friday night, not filming,
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: just out monkeying around like the old days. We on
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: Friday night in the afternoon start. We had we had
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: his llamas with us, We had four pack llamas, and
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: we started hiking up into the mountains to an area
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: he wanted to go and hit. Um. We start in
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: the afternoon is rainings, all muddy and just kind of nasty,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: but we knew he had a good day touch nasty
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: weather that I was even looking at you guys, going man,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: you might want to change direction to help change locations,
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: because it looks like a real ship day to walk
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: into the starting when you gotta like get when you
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: get out of the trunk and it's pouring rain and
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: you're going back in for a couple of nights. And
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: so I was like, oh really, but then you can't
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: back out because then what's the point being alive? So
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: we started going, um, and we get into an area
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: where he thinks, like he's expecting we should be seeing something,
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: seeing hearing something, seeing something. But then it's like hard
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: to rule out because well, it's raining. At first. He's like, man,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: rains really putting them down, you know, like they're not out.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: But then all of a sudden, it was like like
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: the sky's part and it's like this beautiful evening and
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: we're sitting there as it gets dusk and we got
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: a good advantage and just just like nothing nothing. So
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: nick is dark and we kick around like, man, you know,
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: maybe they'll be out in the morning. But we decided
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: to keep walking. And we walked another couple hours through
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: the dark, and um got the point where about seven
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: miles from where we parked, and then we were starting
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: to hear some ripping. Um like good buglan and set
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: up and slept there for the night, got up in
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: the morning and just kind of like got out of
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: eight in the morning, not eight in the morning. But
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: we ate breakfast in the morning, you know, we ate,
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: you know. Uh. That was pretty damn good man. Was
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: it a bunch of sinew and normal matt meal? No,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: because I brought it. It was that what was that?
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: What's the heathers or pantry? Oh my head, there's choice.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: The breakfast, dude, they're like rockets. That was good. We
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: ate some of those. I brought some of those. Yeah,
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: and Matt or beating like sin you. Oh you know
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: another quick Matt story. He doesn't normally eat. I don't
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: think he doesn't like to eat. He used he still
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: uses an old school alcohol stove, which I like. I
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: was like, hey, want me to grab my jet boil
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: and he goes no, because I like it to be
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: quiet when I'm cooking. I want to listen for bugles.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: And he uses the alcohol because it makes zero noise
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: like at jet boils loud. Yes, but I would argue
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: that it's so such an inefficient use of time that
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: that jet louder jet boys. Sure, you might be not
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: hearing something for about two minutes, but at least you
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: get to eat before ten pm. Were you writing on
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: that alcohol stove man dinners late? Yeah, but he said
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: I pressed him on it. He said, I'm never in
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: a hurry, and when I'm cooking, I want to listen
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: for bugles. He just likes his alcohol sol but I
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: didn't argue with him. He likes algoslo. But he told
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: me a great story. He carries with them a portable
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: bow press. Have you seen one of these? Oh, it's
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: like a cable with a little screw attachment on the
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: hand crank. He carries a portable bow press with the
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: mountain the woods. Somehow he got he had ran into
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: some problem and wished he had one. Oh he was
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: with his white fue time and something happened and his
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: bow popped off. The came off one of the cams,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: and him and his wife were able to rastle that
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: bow back into submission and got it real strong. So
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: then she goes out and buys him a portable bow press.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: And he's working a group of elk. This is not
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: our this is this is just him alone. He's out
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: working a group of elk with and he had his
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: portable bull press and his wife bought for him with him.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: He's working a group of elk and slips on a
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: rock and a stream channel and falls down and busts
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: the peep site off his bowstring. And he carries like
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: basic stuff like anybody was. But he doesn't care like
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: who carries an extra peeps Like maybe I'm sure thousands
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: of thousands of people do, but he doesn't have extra
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: peeps like check this out he's way to hell Bag
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: in the mountains. His peep site broke. He starts looking
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: around through all his gear and realizes that the button
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: on his pants has like that little rim around the periphery.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: M okay hollows out the hole in the button i
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: his pants, takes his portable bull press and installs his
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: pants button in as his peep site, and then shoots
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: and kills a bull with it. Got some real stuff, right,
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: there's some woodsman show kills a bull and never never
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: say die, sony out. We get in the morning and
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: we start working these bulls and we're like it was
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: it was like, you know, like those days. It's like
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: the daisy dream of having right knowing around. We got
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: three bulls out in front of us, ripping, and all
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, we're like trying to keep track of
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: who's where Cole's going off, and also there's another bull
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: coming from behind us. We reposition like this. This new
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: bulls like shows up out of nowhere, bugling. He kind
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: of sweeps through it sort of bypasses us, but like
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: he's bypasses us because there's this whole circus going on
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: out in front of us, and he's like coming to
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: join the good times. But the main good times there
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: are the bulls that are in front of us, not us,
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: and he kind of but he still comes through, past
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: through the hundred yards, goes into join the whole ship
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: show going on out in front of us. Eventually, like
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: some of these more vocal bowls, they seem to go
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: up this slope. We're kind of looking down into a bottom,
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: and we were like they kind of bugle up and over,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: and Matt he knows the area a little bit. He's like, man,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: he goes, I know, I bad know where they're going.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: So we circle around to try to get out ahead
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: of him, thinking like we'll just get out ahead him
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: and try to set up again. And we look across
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: the drainage and find this other bowl bedded down out
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: in the open, like and it's overcast, it's a cool day,
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: and uh, he just beat it out and the open
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: with two cows feeding right next to him, and we're
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: good looking at him all right, man, that thing the
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: way he's positioned, like the land features are such that
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: you just know right where he is, Like it's like
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: so obvious where he is. And there's this cliff band
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: behind him, and we just drop everything and circle back around.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: It takes us about thirty minutes, and we just know
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: exactly where he is because the landscape features are like
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: you just can't mess it up. So we go back
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: around and get up on this cliff band above him,
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: and we know that we're a hundred ten yards. We
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: tell we're a hundred ten yards when we know that
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: bulls betted. And I'm on top of this little rock
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: pile cliff band. It's not big. You could throw a rock,
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: you know, and hit a grouse off the edge of
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: the cliff band. It's not too far. But I'm up there.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: And Matt creeps down to the foot of the cliff band,
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: thinking there's no way, you know, to take like a
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: act of god right to call the bull up through
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: this thing. But he gets down in there and he
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: and he realized once he downs, he goes, man, I
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: feel like I could, He said, I could recognize the
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: tree that bowl was on under and I even thought
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: I could see part of it. It wasn't sure I
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: could see part of it. And I ripped a bugle
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: and he said, he's still like he's still trying to
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: be like is that the he goaes the minute I bagle,
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: that thing just stands up and beagles in his coming,
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: like just coming coming so hard that he draws his
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: bow back. Its because he doesn't want to have to
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: get busted when he goes to draw his bow back.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: Did you even try? A cow calls, I was doing
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: the whole littany, I was doing, Yanni potell Us. It
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: wasn't until you bugle that he came. I feel like
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: the first thing I did. I know, the first thing
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: I did was ripped a bugle. I was doing a combo,
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: Yanni Phelps. The only thing that made it not a
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: Yanni p tells is I wasn't beating brush yet, but
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: I was gonna get to that in a minute. He
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: hadn't rolled. He probably didn't want rolling rocks And knowing
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: I got his damn dog tied up. So he hunts
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: that little dog. And the dog such a low riding dog,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: that little corky the elk can't usually see it anyway,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: And the dog like is the most obedient dog in
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: the world. He like, he goes so much like to
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: that dog. That dog stands behind him and walks behind
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: him like the dog knows what's up, and he knows
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: you're hunt Elk. He's part of the team. Part of
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: the team. But because we got two of us, and
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: and I'm calling and Matt's going out ahead, I grab
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: that dog's colling. The dog attacks me because he doesn't
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: like to be fired. He doesn't like to be far
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: from Matt. So I took a chunk of para cord
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: and tied a slipknot around that dog's neck so he
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: couldn't get away without strangling himself. And I tied him
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: to a bush. And at one point I was trying
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: to get a look down in there to see what's
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: going on, and I left forward. Bro that broke the
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: dog's heart because he's like, now that my owner's gone,
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: now this guy is leaving too. And I'm tied to
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: a noose. So then I backed up, and I felt
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: so bad for the dog. Just give me this horrible look.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: But um yeah, so he's as Susie biggle, then I was.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: Then I was calling to because then he starts bugling
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: and I can hear him down there just ripping. So
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: then I'm doing the whole I'm just making the whole show.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: And mattes he draws back the bull acrosses in front
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: him at thirty two yards and he's gonna walk right through,
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: and Matt just game a little whistle noise just because
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: just to stop him. The bull stops and Matt shoots,
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: and I hear like the shot, I hear the boom,
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: the pumpkin thump, and I'm like, hell yeah, man, I
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: come running down and Matt's all distraught, see like he
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: didn't see the arrow hit. And he's like, man, I
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: feel like if it like if it didn't hit where
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: I was looking, I don't know where, you know. He's
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: all worked up. The dog. He's trying to trail the
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: out the dogs like already gone because his dog is
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: a trail. This dog trails elk. He like his dog
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: is incredible shifty. So he's like telling his dog to
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: get back. And we went and took a nap on
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: a rock um and I'm laying there taking my nap
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: and one point looking at dogs. It's got his nose
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: up in the air and his dog is like dying
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: to go, and he's like just sniffing air. And I
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: stipped to him like it smells like a dead whatever
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: a dead bull smells like. It smells like a dead bull.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: It smells like hot blood bull is like the strongest,
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: most potent elk smell you could smell. And even the
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: dogs like, dude, what in the world, what are these
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: guys doing? And Matt's like curled up and think about
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: taking a picture of Matt sleeping out of in the
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: fetal position, and you know, you always go to negativity, know,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: because it's the best place to go. Uh. And meanwhile,
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: the things just laying dead right there, like it wrapped
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: around the hill and fell over dead. And so when
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: I'm laying there thinking, like my god, that smells like
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: the windward shifting. I get the smell like that has
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: to be like an elk right there, We're laying like
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: forty yards from this elk was just like right there. Yeah,
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: because the way we went to find a rock to
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: sleep on, like when he shot the bull, the bull
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: wrapped around a little mound and we kind of went
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: on the mound, do you know what I'm saying. Then
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: we went like back down off the mound fund the
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: blood trail and basically wrapped around and a half loop
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: to like back around it almost like where we just were.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: And we're going at first, there's no blood mats like
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: I knew it. I blew it on the worst person
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: on the planet. But also there's like a big pile
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: of blood, and I'm thinking, because I'm already in a
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: spotted negativity feeding off his negativity, that you don't even
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: get a bad hit on something that there's like no blood.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: But then you find blood. It's only because it stood
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: there for an hour trying to figure out what's going on,
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: and you find that pile of blood, and you're like,
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: this will be the last blood we find, because he
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: stopped and stood here for forty five minutes seeing what's
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: going on, and then he clots up and walks off,
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: and it was just a muscle wound. And we see
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: this big pile of blood. And then I almost got
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: like a more negative feeling because I was like, oh,
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: he's stopped and stood. It's never good when they stop
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: and stand. But then I look and the dogs licking
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: up a pile of blood looks like the size of
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: a TV tray, and the dogs like eating blood. And
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: then the dog moves along and I look and here's
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: the bull all tangled up. I mean, this thing was
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: like we're like taking a nap like this, just like
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: it's all like very confined. It was all this right there.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: He's just like land here dead or dead. I don't
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: know how he didn't hear it. Pilo got it all
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: caught up and Matt have any uh. He he gave
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: me a He gave me a hug. He wanted to
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: have a hug. He gave me a long hug. Mean
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: while the damn dog doesn't even realize that elk standing
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: there because the dog wants to eat all the blood
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: as it goes along. So it's like laughing up blood,
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: bulls lander every He's all happy. He had a big hug,
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: cut it all up when got his llamas um, brought
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: it back to where we were sleeping, hung it up
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: in a tree. Get the alcohol in a tree, so
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: let us go have a look. Worked another bowl, no
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: screaming his face off. He comes and I couldn't see
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: in the way he came in. He probably came seventy
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: seventy yards before he goldsted off, slept, woke up, and
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: here's where the here's what the bad part of the
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: story happens. All night. I can't sleep because the bulls
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: ripping like it's like they're it's like they're ripping in
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: our in our tent man, and then coles keep getting
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: like they know we're like sleeping there, so like you're
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: like you fall asleep and a like warning barking. You
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: think like they're all gonna leave, but they like don't leave.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: It's the weird night. And I'm just like, dude, this
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: is the most amazing thing. And we get up and
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: we had to be hunting this place where is a
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: there's like there's seasonal motorized motorized used through this area
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: and this this kind of such a weird story. Man,
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: I almost hesitated to get into it. There's an outfitter
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: to hunts this area, but he does drop camp stuff.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: But he has this very big gass drop camp and
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: he generally hikes in hike hunters and sets up this
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: big drop camp and guys hunt out of this big
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: drop camp. Somehow, this guy he used to not allow
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: dudes to do this, but somehow he opened it up
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: and allows motorcycle guys. Now, like a horse pack in
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: drop camp inhabited by guys on dirt bikes. Yeah, it's
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: just right. Whatever whatever he used not allowed, now he
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: allows it, right, Okay, so he'll pack in a big
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: he'll pack in his wall, tense and everything established this
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: big base camp where he can go fetch elk on mules.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: But then guys can ride into the camp on dirt
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: bikes because they're scared of grizzlies. So they like to
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: have a big, elaborate place to go sleep at night
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: where they don't have to be scared of grizzlies. They
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: don't want to sleep out like just out in the mountains.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: They want to sleep at like a big place with
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: all this hubbub going on. Yeah, and he's got a
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: big guy. He's got a big electric fence around the camp. Yeah.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: So these guys, these dirt bike guys, are scared of grizzlies,
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: but they want to hunt the area. One of these
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: guys was saying once that he can't even go, uh,
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: he can't even go drop a deuce without bringing someone
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: with me, so scared of grizzlies. So he's not that's
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: not a comfortable experience. Now, and we're in this meadow
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: and he's elkmen ripping online in this meadow, and we
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: get up in the dark and we're getting we go
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: up into the edge of the timber, so we're looking
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: down and we're like, Okay, as soon as the light
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: comes up, we're gonna see what's going on and make
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: a plan and all some and again, man, this trail
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: is open up until something it's seasonally open, not to
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: its seasonally opened up to dirt bikes. And Matt's like
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: he just wants to drift off the trail, and I'm like,
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: I'm like mildly annoyed, and I stopped and express my
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: annoyance to the dirt biker. But it's like I feel
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: bad about it because it is legal. But it's like,
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: it'd be legal for me to be up there with
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: a marching band. Uh If if I determined that it
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: was most effective to hunt with a marching band, it
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: would be legal for me to be up there with
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: a marching band. It's not illegal as long as you're
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: not having like a gathering for oh, exp'd be oversized. Okay,
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: I could legally be up there with a five man
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: marching band with a trumpeter, like like I could have
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: a trumpeter, I could have the cavalry. I'm not breaking law.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: So it's like we're not debating legality. It's not. It's like, sure,
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: there's all kinds of stuff that's legal, But is it
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: smart when you're in like the prime and I know
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: where they camp there's we're in it. The elk eventually
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: move out, but they're in it, Like is that smart? Like?
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: Or is it better to maybe wait till eleven in
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: the morning and do your travel on a motor cycle
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: and not blow through and you can't hear the thing.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: It's hunting spots or hunting elk, right, It's like you
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: when you're when you're on it, you can't hear bugling,
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: so you're blowing through. You're you're like, you're blowing through
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: a meadow. Were elker ripping and you don't know they're ripping?
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: It's just what you said. The guy's hunting a spot,
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: he's not hunting elk, right, So he's like, I go
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: to this spot and there's usually elk there, so I
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: gotta get to that spot. And by making that choice,
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: you have then eliminated for most circumstances, you've you've eliminated
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: hunting elk in the transition zone between trailhead and the
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: spot that you're going. No, I feel horrible about it.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: I feel horrible about you said where are you camping?
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: I said, right here? But did you ask the guy
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: what his motivation was to be ripped? Ripping on the
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: said he's headed off, he goes old works, we're headed
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, how would he know. I just
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: feel bad about it. I feel bad about it. It
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: is because I've been at trailheads. I killed the bowl,
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: none of the we're nowhere near a trailhead. Um, but
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: I started at a trailhead with a guy unloading his
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: motorbike and I've thrown my backpack and start as I
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: have to go down the trail, and he gets like, well,
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: where are you going. I'm like, well, I'm heading down
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: the trail till I hear a bugle. Well, I was
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: going down this trail. I was like, man, you can.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: And I knew that country very well, and I'm like,
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: you can drive a hundred and fifty miles on this trail.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: I'm like, ums around, I'm not, I'm not gonna get
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: that far. I'm like, I'm sure you're gonna get further
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: than I am. Um, you know it's pitch black and
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: and um. I never did see the guy that that day,
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: but went about, um, several miles further than I should do,
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: and I killed a bowl that morning. Yeah, I don't
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: know what. I still don't know. I feel, like I said,
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: I feel guilty about it, because like you know, I
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: feel guilty about it, but I also feel like, come
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: on man, Yeah, but I mean that's the nice part though,
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: is you know that they're gonna miss plenty of opportunities
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: using that means to travel, and they're gonna find opportunities
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: that you're not using that means to travel. Yeah, the
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: smart thing would have been just to do it, just
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: to slip off, just the ghost off the trail and
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: then rip a big old bugle. What if he wasn't
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: hunting and he just decided to be at dawn, I
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have cared at all. Right, there's plenty of dudes
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: in those little evil kinevil suits driving those trails, and
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: during the daytime a motorbikes. I would look like, that's
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: not even that's not my business. Is like, yeah, there's
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: plenty of pleasure riders. But the thing the assumption you
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: make is like they're usually in the cold gray light
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: of dawn. Turn it out right, they kind of go
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: there like they ride out in the daytime pleasure cruising.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: That's what struck me as weird as like you're hunting,
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: you're hunting that zoom Walt deal. We would get up
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: at normal wear ely archery, elk season hunting time, you know,
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: four am, wake up, and then basically have get our
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: gear ready, get sandwiches ready for the day. I have
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: a couple of cups coffee, wait for it to start
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: getting light, and then get going, just based off the
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: fact that we know if we tried to go anywhere
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: at night, we'd be bumping out the whole time. You know,
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: me and Yanni were in the exact opposite situation yesterday
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: where we were we went out in the morning to
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: a state chunk to do some rifle shooting. We met
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: up there at seven thirty am to do some gun shooting,
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: and it turns out there there was some dudes trying
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: to bow hunt, just eight section and they came and
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: expressed there. One of them came and expressed his displeasure. Yeah,
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: seven thirty in the morning, you gotta come out shooting guns. Yeah,
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: early September multi use and we're kind of like, yeah,
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: I got you, I got you. It's like I wasn't
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: like it's legal. I was like, yeah, that kind of
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: made me feel bad. It kind of makes me feel
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: like dah now for sure. And the thing is too, like,
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: if there had been any sign I think that somebody
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: was haunting it, we probably would have made Plan B. Definitely,
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: you know, but there we had no idea. No, and
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: if I had known, you know. But then I was like,
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: you know, it says you have these weird interactions. It's
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: it'd always be better if someone could tell you, hey,
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: tomorrow you're gonna have a weird interaction and here's what's
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: gonna happen. Then you can plan out like, oh, here's
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: what I'll do when I had that interaction, I'll be
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: real cool. Yeah, and I'll have you know, I'll express
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: this complex. That wouldn't be much fun. He said, you're
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: like dah legal. One last question here. I know we
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: got to wrap it up, but um, did you miss
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: your production crew? No? Just your brother. No, I didn't
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: miss anything about it. I took some cell phone videos.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: It was so good being back out with my brother. Yeah, dude,
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: it was so good. That's why I didn't even want
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: to shoot. I just wanted to have, you know, let
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: him you know, party wasn't thinking if I just nose
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: over this Cliff a little bit. I might be able
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: to snag that bowl out from I was enjoying myself
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: so much I didn't want to shoot. That's awesome. I
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: love it, dude. It was fun. Man. He's a good hunter. Man. Yeah,
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: he's a good hunter, like just because like the just
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: the girl I love map out there an enormous amount
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: of gur It sounds like a headcase. So like he
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: does a lot of Like, dude, he bowls, having beat
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: before he gets on the trail. No, he's like mad Jack.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: Remember Grizzly Adams. Yeah, he's like a crazy guy. Water
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: and the hill man, I'm sure he's got I'm sure
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: to be like. Oh, and there's an insane person that
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: wanders the hills out here. You'll see him. He uses
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: an alcohol stove and takes his time cooking. Yeah, like
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: to listen for bugles. He's got a button for he's
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: got his pants button. And you'll know his camp because
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: there would be fifty half gallon bottles of vodka and
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: gins thrown about. But he's not drinking at all. No,
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: he's for carrying water. That's one thing I laughed about
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: because he when he packs him as long as they
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  Speaker 1: got they don't have that much to carry. So he
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  Speaker 1: packs in tons of water and he drinks gin and tonics,
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  Speaker 1: and so all his water bottles are two Leader tonic
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  Speaker 1: bottles and in half gallon vodka bottles. And if you look,
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  Speaker 1: you can see the ratio when he empties his panniers out,
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  Speaker 1: you can see the ratio of like his ratio of vodka,
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  Speaker 1: like it takes him like three. It takes him like
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  Speaker 1: three two lead bottles a tonic to get through a
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  Speaker 1: half gallon of vodka. So the ratio is like fixed
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  Speaker 1: would be like six half gallons of vodka and eighteen
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  Speaker 1: bottles of tonic, all full of drinking waters in a pile.
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  Speaker 1: He just like throws him in a big pile. You're
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  Speaker 1: always looking at a good time, are you? If you
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  Speaker 1: roll'd be like one of these alcoholics. But they're all
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  Speaker 1: like you can tell, he's been using all these bottles
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  Speaker 1: for like years. At one time got him turned down
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  Speaker 1: to these army water bottles, and he had some reason
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  Speaker 1: he didn't like him, like he didn't like he's like
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  Speaker 1: he much prefers a good two Leader bottle with the
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: label still at it. Dude, he's a good hunter man.
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  Speaker 1: He's good hunter. He's good hunter because he's like methodic.
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  Speaker 1: He's just a good hunter because just like the girl,
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  Speaker 1: he just just goes and goes and goes and doesn't care.
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  Speaker 1: It's like you could be like, oh, you know if
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  Speaker 1: you woke up and someone stole his boot. Right, he's
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  Speaker 1: just being but he's prepared for it. He's prepared. My
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: boot's gone and he would just still hunt. Man, he's
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: prepared for that. With the way at the rate that
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: he loses pieces of gear, he usually has two or
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: three pairs of foot wear with him. Yeah, he'd like
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  Speaker 1: kill a lum and rapids, hide around his foot and
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: hunt another couple of days. Yeah, that cracks me up. Man,
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  Speaker 1: get to taken care of thom. Uh yeah, good jobs.
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  Speaker 1: That's probably the first boy you've ever called in for
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  Speaker 1: for a kill. Yeah yeah, yeah, good job. I learned everything.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: I learned everything. It's pretty sweet Montana home coming, right,
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  Speaker 1: that's your first now, because we used to go out
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: and just try to get out and we killed elk
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: like that, but just go out and get out in
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: front of him and then that doesn't work and get
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: out in front of them. But dude, it's so much
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: more fun. So much more fun, cool cool, so much
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: more fun. Things last longer. Oh yeah, when I first
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: met you, you thought the calling out just made him
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: run the the direction. For us, we had those same
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: preemost bite and blowcall everybody else head. We don't know
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: how to use it. You'd like blow that in it
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  Speaker 1: as the answer. You hear that. Oh that's good, Johnny,
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  Speaker 1: that's a good warring. Do your morning call again, far
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  Speaker 1: off vehicle. There it is, there it is. Oh hey,
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