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Full Show Podcast: 15 September 2026 · Early Edition with Ryan Bridge

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  Speaker 1: The issues, the interviews and the insight. Andrew Dickens on
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  Speaker 1: Early Edition with Spark for Business. Technology that keeps business moving.
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  Speaker 1: Newstalk ZB.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning to you and thank you for joining us.
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  Speaker 2: Ryan's on extracurricular duties in Wellington today. He's back tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: On the program today, what's happening with the bond market?
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  Speaker 2: And why should we be worried? Bran Olsen on the
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  Speaker 2: latest crisis. We'll have him in five. Why have our
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  Speaker 2: migration figures turned? And why are we suddenly seen as
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  Speaker 2: a good place to relocate to? We'll have that story
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  Speaker 2: for you in ten. And tourism figures finally beat the
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  Speaker 2: pre-COVID numbers. Is Rotorua feeding it? We'll have the Rotorua
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  Speaker 2: Mayor Tanya Tapsell just before six. Donna DiMaio from Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Correspondents from right around New Zealand and news as it breaks.
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  Speaker 2: And you can have your say by using the text 9292.
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  Speaker 2: A small charge applies.
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  Speaker 1: The Agenda.
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  Speaker 2: So it's Tuesday, the 15th of September, and Donald Trump
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  Speaker 2: is taking aim at anthropic boss Dario Amadei. after he
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  Speaker 2: called for a slowdown in AI development. And Trump says
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  Speaker 2: there's a sick conspiracy against AI and data centres.
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  Speaker 3: The only control or guardrails that AI needs is a
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  Speaker 3: strong and smart, high IQ president. And the USA has
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  Speaker 3: that in spades, he wrote. The Trump administration has stopped
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  Speaker 3: AI people from doing bad or potentially bad things like
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  Speaker 3: Dario and Thropic. who is now pretending to be a
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  Speaker 3: perfect little angel.
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  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, what did Trump 2.0, Mr.
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  Speaker 4: J.D.
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  Speaker 2: Vance, have to say?
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  Speaker 5: There are obviously risks to AI. There are some benefits
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  Speaker 5: to AI. I have to say just personally, I feel
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  Speaker 5: a little bit weird about the fact that you have
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  Speaker 5: so many frontier AI tech companies kind of coming to
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  Speaker 5: the government and begging the government to regulate them. It
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  Speaker 5: feels a little bit to me like a bit of.
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  Speaker 2: A Trojan horse.
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  Speaker 5: So I think we just have to be careful about this.
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  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, China has hit out against what it has called
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  Speaker 2: threat narratives from Donald Trump over AI governance and warned
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  Speaker 2: against engaging in confrontation and malicious competition. To the UK
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  Speaker 2: and the leaders of the biggest parties in Scotland, Wales
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  Speaker 2: and Northern Ireland are now pushing for the right to
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  Speaker 2: choose whether to stay in the UK. And they've signed
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  Speaker 2: a deal in Cardiff, putting pressure on Westminster to prepare
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  Speaker 2: for potential constitutional change.
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  Speaker 6: For the first time in history, There are First Ministers
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  Speaker 6: in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland who believe that their
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  Speaker 6: countries should decide their own future. And that principle of
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  Speaker 6: self-determination is absolutely fundamental to the discussions that we have
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  Speaker 6: had today and that are fundamental to the discussions that
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  Speaker 6: we will have in the period to come.
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  Speaker 2: And sad news for the UK Prime Minister, Andy Burnham.
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  Speaker 2: He's cancelled his engagements because his father has died. So
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  Speaker 2: Angela Rayner has stepped in at the TUC conference. and
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  Speaker 2: she's taking aim at Reform UK.
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  Speaker 7: Nigel Farage's sugar daddies made their money in crypto, but
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  Speaker 7: there's nothing cryptic about their motives. They know full well
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  Speaker 7: that a reformed government will act in their interests, not
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  Speaker 7: the public interest. Now, when these reformed owners say they
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  Speaker 7: want nothing, they mean it. No workers' rights, no renters' rights,
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  Speaker 7: no social protection.
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  Speaker 2: And that takes us to ten after five.
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  Speaker 1: Hear it first. Andrew Dickens on early edition with Spark
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  Speaker 1: for Business, technology that keeps business moving. Newstalk ZB.
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  Speaker 2: So let's kick off the program with an apology to
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  Speaker 2: the rest of New Zealand for Auckland's fascination with their
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  Speaker 2: new piece of kit, the CRL. But until you have
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  Speaker 2: a ride on it, you might not get what a
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  Speaker 2: change it is for the city and how different it
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  Speaker 2: is to the rest of the country. Now, look, here's
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  Speaker 2: the problem I have with many people judging the CRL
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  Speaker 2: is that they have already decided not to use it
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  Speaker 2: and therefore It's a failure. So I decided to use
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  Speaker 2: it for journalistic reasons. I poodled around on it yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: I got downtown. I hopped on a train. Seven minutes later,
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  Speaker 2: I was at a place that has never had a
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  Speaker 2: train station before, Karangahape. It was amazing. Just there. And
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  Speaker 2: it's big and it's beautiful. So next week, I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to Karangahape Road for dinner. So getting there will be
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  Speaker 2: easy on the train. A friend in the Karangahape area,
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  Speaker 2: a apartment dweller, caught a train to Oraki. He went
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  Speaker 2: to Faro, which is the grocer there, Took him three stops,
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  Speaker 2: took him 12 minutes, a journey he never did before.
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  Speaker 2: He did some shopping because of it. Having a station
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  Speaker 2: on K Road is an absolute game changer for that
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  Speaker 2: part of the city. You watch it, boom. And yesterday
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  Speaker 2: I went into town, went to Te Wai Horatu. I'm
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  Speaker 2: getting used to saying that now. You could call it mid-city.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have any problem with Te Wai Horatu. You
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  Speaker 2: learn it and you did it. Anyway, I went there
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  Speaker 2: and then I went to the recycle boutique right next door.
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  Speaker 2: I met a lady who'd come into town on the train.
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  Speaker 2: She parked at Orakei. And then she traveled two stops
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  Speaker 2: to get to the center of town. She told me
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  Speaker 2: she had not been to town for ages because the
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  Speaker 2: traffic and finding car parks and then having to walk
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  Speaker 2: to Queen Street. Now she got dropped off right in midtown.
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  Speaker 2: The fares are cheaper than parking. She told me she'll
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  Speaker 2: be coming into the city much more often from now on.
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  Speaker 2: There's another shopper. So all I'm wanting to say right
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  Speaker 2: now is the service is there and it will be
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  Speaker 2: there forever. It was expensive. It was disruptive. But honestly,
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  Speaker 2: if we tried to build it today, it would be
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  Speaker 2: even worse. It's here for the next hundred. So have
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  Speaker 2: a think. Try it out. And if it is better
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  Speaker 2: for you, use it. Because every new user who uses
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  Speaker 2: it to get around the city is another car off
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  Speaker 2: the road. And that makes it better for all those
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  Speaker 2: who refuse to use it because they're ideologically opposed to it.
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  Speaker 2: In the weekend, the Prime Minister went off about the
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  Speaker 2: bond markets. So New Zealand government bond yields have surged
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  Speaker 2: to multi-year highs, driven by escalating global energy disruptions and
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  Speaker 2: the Reserve Bank lifting the official cash rate to 2.75%.
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  Speaker 2: You've got market pressures from oil prices trading over $ 100
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  Speaker 2: a barrel and rising domestic inflation of 4.1% has prompted
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  Speaker 2: expectations of further tightening of that OCR. And that's steered
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  Speaker 2: the 10-year sovereign bond yield up to 5.06%. This is
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  Speaker 2: quite a worry. This is not just affecting us. The
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  Speaker 2: whole world is having a bit of a shudder over
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  Speaker 2: the world's debt. So next, I am joined by Brad
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  Speaker 2: Olson for what I'm going to call the dummy's guide
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  Speaker 2: to the world bond market and what it means for
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  Speaker 2: us and what it means for the rest of the planet.
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  Speaker 2: It's 12 after five.
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  Speaker 1: The early edition full show podcast on iHeartRadio, powered by
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  Speaker 1: Newstalk ZP. Before the news breaks, hear it first. Andrew
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  Speaker 1: Dickens on early edition with Spark for Business, technology that
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  Speaker 1: keeps business moving.
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  Speaker 2: Newstalk ZB. It's a quarter after five, so the global
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  Speaker 2: debt situation might be catching up to us. The global
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  Speaker 2: bond markets are starting to get quite anxious. On Friday,
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  Speaker 2: our 10-year yields closed at the highest level since November 2023,
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  Speaker 2: over 5%. And the Prime Minister was worried about it
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  Speaker 2: in the weekend.
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  Speaker 8: Obviously, with the U.S.
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  Speaker 9: Coming out and talking about a $ 40 trillion U.S.
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  Speaker 2: Debt and the subsequent reaction that you've seen in the
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  Speaker 2: bond markets.
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  Speaker 10: We're very conscious of it.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 2: So we're joined by Brad Olson, who is Infometrics Principal Economist. Brad,
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  Speaker 2: good morning to you.
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  Speaker 4: Good morning.
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  Speaker 2: The dummy's guide to the global bond market. What's happening here?
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  Speaker 2: Why should we be worried and how worried should we
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  Speaker 2: be about the global economy?
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  Speaker 4: Effectively, you've got these bond rates, these long-dated bond rates
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  Speaker 4: continuing to increase rapidly. Think of them effectively as the
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  Speaker 4: sort of signals for interest rates on everything else that
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  Speaker 4: we pay. So the official cash rate looks at interest
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  Speaker 4: rates in the short term over a sort of a
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  Speaker 4: couple of days, couple of months, has a much greater influence.
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  Speaker 4: Your bond rates influence why you pay what you pay
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  Speaker 4: for sort of mortgage rates. of one, two, three, four
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  Speaker 4: plus years. And so the fact that they're all increasing
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  Speaker 4: across the world does start to raise that borrowing cost
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  Speaker 4: that not only households will have to pay, but also,
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  Speaker 4: of course, what government has to pay on its pretty
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  Speaker 4: large stock of debt. What you're seeing across the world,
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  Speaker 4: I think, is quite a few things coming together all
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  Speaker 4: at once. Of course, with all of these eruptions in
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  Speaker 4: the Middle East and further attacks coming through, oil prices
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  Speaker 4: have spiked higher again. And everyone's now thinking, well, maybe
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  Speaker 4: this is more persistent. Maybe there is more inflation in
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  Speaker 4: the system. You've got, again, worries and sort of concerns
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  Speaker 4: around bubbles within the AI tech stock area. But most importantly,
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  Speaker 4: you seem to have all of that coming at a
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  Speaker 4: time where Everyone's going, we don't seem to be doing
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  Speaker 4: anything about government debt. You know, in the US, they're
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  Speaker 4: over 100% with a debt to GDP ratio. The president's
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  Speaker 4: talking about finding a trillion dollars to pay everyone $ 5, 000.
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  Speaker 4: Everyone's just worried that there is a lot in the
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  Speaker 4: system at the moment, a lot of challenging things, and
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  Speaker 4: we seem to be not addressing the elephant in the room.
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  Speaker 2: We keep seeing headlines like, worse since the GFC. Are
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  Speaker 2: we headed for an economic collapse of that scale?
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  Speaker 4: I don't think so. I'm really hoping I'm right on
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  Speaker 4: that front. I mean, you look at what's happened since
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  Speaker 4: the GFC, there's a lot more protections in place and
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  Speaker 4: regulations around ensuring effectively we don't go back there. But
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  Speaker 4: you are seeing very clearly the market sending out a
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  Speaker 4: warning signal. The likes of the 10-year US bond rate,
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  Speaker 4: the 30-year US bond rate, both of those have hit
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  Speaker 4: high levels in recent times. In fact, the 10-year went
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  Speaker 4: above 5% for the first time in a couple of
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  Speaker 4: years overnight, our time. What that's saying is that markets
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  Speaker 4: are effectively, or the bond markets, are almost like the
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  Speaker 4: final guard in the financial system. And you often see
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  Speaker 4: political figures that really do have to watch what happens with.
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  Speaker 9: Those bond rates.
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  Speaker 4: You saw, of course, Liz Truss lose her job in
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  Speaker 4: the UK a couple of years ago when bond markets
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  Speaker 4: sort of rejected her financial plans. And again, even US
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  Speaker 4: President Donald Trump has had to pull back his expectations
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  Speaker 4: for tariffs in the past when bond rates sort of
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  Speaker 4: got too high. So these are very clear warning signals.
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  Speaker 4: I don't see that as an immediate, things are going
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  Speaker 4: to collapse in the financial markets. but they are very
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  Speaker 4: much saying that we just can't keep on the same path,
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  Speaker 4: or if we do, it's going to be more expensive,
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  Speaker 4: and normally that curbs some of that more outrageous behaviour.
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  Speaker 2: The good news is we're actually doing something about that.
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  Speaker 2: We are addressing our debt, and even Labour says they
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  Speaker 2: want to address that debt, and that's all well and good,
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  Speaker 2: but we're quite small and everybody else is quite big,
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  Speaker 2: so really, if they don't address the debt, if they
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  Speaker 2: don't take the medicine, we're just going to have to
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  Speaker 2: hang on for the ride.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, it's a challenging time. I mean, you look out
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  Speaker 4: at other parts of the world, Japan's at 250% debt-to-GDP ratios,
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  Speaker 4: the US over 100. New Zealand's in a better place, sure,
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  Speaker 4: but I do also worry a little bit that we're
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  Speaker 4: talking a big game here on, you know, that we're
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  Speaker 4: going to be doing debt reduction. We haven't so far.
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  Speaker 4: We've still added more debt every year the last couple
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  Speaker 4: of years, and the consolidation comes gradually. in a couple
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  Speaker 4: of years' time, hopefully if the forecasts are right. So
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  Speaker 4: I think we've got to be a bit cautious in
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  Speaker 4: New Zealand that we're saying the right things. We're yet
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  Speaker 4: to put that into action. And so unless we really
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  Speaker 4: do that, and it will require us to knuckle down hard,
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  Speaker 4: we don't get those gains and we might be in
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  Speaker 4: just as bad of a place as everyone else.
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  Speaker 2: Brad, thank you very much. I actually came into work
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  Speaker 2: and I looked at the US bond yields, the 10-year
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  Speaker 2: Treasury bonds today, and you should see the graph. Go
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  Speaker 2: look it up. It's easy to find. Just Google it.
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  Speaker 2: And it went low and low and low and low.
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  Speaker 2: And now, over the last year or two, it's just
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  Speaker 2: gone pow, straight up. It looks like a skyscraper. And
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  Speaker 2: it's at levels not seen since 2005. And that's got
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  Speaker 2: to be a worry, eh? So that's enough bad news
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  Speaker 2: for the day. The good news is new migration data
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  Speaker 2: is out. And apparently, New Zealand is the right place
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  Speaker 2: to come to, more so than Australia. The figures are amazing.
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  Speaker 2: We'll talk about this next here on Newstalk ZB. It's 5.20.
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  Speaker 1: The early edition full show podcast on iHeartRadio, powered by
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  Speaker 1: Newstalk ZB. The news you need this morning and the
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  Speaker 1: in-depth analysis. Early edition with Andrew Dickens and Spark for Business.
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  Speaker 1: Technology that keeps business moving. Newstalk ZB.
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  Speaker 2: So the tourism figures are up. We're talking to Tanya
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  Speaker 2: Tapsell just before six from Rotorua. But the migration data
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  Speaker 2: for July also shows we're quite an attractive place to
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  Speaker 2: lay roots. Migrant arrivals for the year were up 5%.
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  Speaker 2: The number of us leaving down 4%. Overall, that's an
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  Speaker 2: annual net migration of over $ 20, 000. We have 20,000 people,
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  Speaker 2: should I say, something we haven't seen since 2024. But
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  Speaker 2: it's all about dollars as well. Simon Laurent is an
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  Speaker 2: immigration expert and chair of the New Zealand Association of
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  Speaker 2: Migration and Investment and joins me now. Simon, good morning
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  Speaker 2: to you.
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  Speaker 9: Good morning, Andrew.
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  Speaker 2: What makes us the hot place to move to these days?
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  Speaker 9: Well, it's probably the same thing that's always made us
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  Speaker 9: a hot destination or has done for many years, and
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  Speaker 9: that is the security and safety of New Zealand, the
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  Speaker 9: quality of life, not the salaries, I should say, and
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  Speaker 9: possibly concerns about.
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  Speaker 9: International security are causing people to think about coming somewhere safe. Look,
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  Speaker 9: I mean, just to put this in context, the net
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  Speaker 9: arrivals figures are pretty much the same as they were
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  Speaker 9: for more In a sense, I don't see anything new here,
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  Speaker 9: quite frankly. What we did have was a glitch. Up
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  Speaker 9: to 2019, there was a massive influx of people. Then
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  Speaker 9: we had COVID. After COVID, we had basically the gates
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  Speaker 9: were thrown open. And now we're settling down again.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. The kids are stopping leaving. They're stopping leaving because
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  Speaker 2: they're not going to Australia because Australia's economy is tanking.
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  Speaker 2: So people are looking. If they're going to go down
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  Speaker 2: this part of the world, it's a big trip for someone.
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  Speaker 2: It's a big, big adventure, an escapade. And they're looking
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  Speaker 2: at Australia, looking at New Zealand, and they're thinking New
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  Speaker 2: Zealand's looking on a better track. Would you agree?
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  Speaker 9: Possibly. I don't know the numbers for Australia, but... I
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  Speaker 9: think there's things going for the New Zealand system, including
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  Speaker 9: the migration system, which make it possibly easier to navigate
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  Speaker 9: than Australia. But I'm just really going on some anecdotal
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  Speaker 9: evidence of that.
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  Speaker 2: OK, well, meanwhile, though, we had some immigration statements. We're
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  Speaker 2: going to talk about this shortly. We had some immigration
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  Speaker 2: statements over the weekend. Winston Peters doesn't seem to like migrants.
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  Speaker 2: Is that the right sort of thing? That line, we
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  Speaker 2: have enough migrants, is that true? Or should we celebrate
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  Speaker 2: the fact that we have quite a few?
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  Speaker 9: Talk to the sociologists. They'd say we really need to
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  Speaker 9: get more and more people in here because if we don't,
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  Speaker 9: who's going to pay for the superannuation for all of
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  Speaker 9: us sitting in our rest homes? I think the idea
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  Speaker 9: that we're getting oversubscribed with migrants is misconceived. We really
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  Speaker 9: need to attract people who are of value to New Zealand,
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  Speaker 9: who can do the work New Zealanders don't want to
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  Speaker 9: do as well, and to.
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  Speaker 9: Turn the tap off on that is, I think, in
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  Speaker 9: the long term is going to hurt us badly.
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  Speaker 2: Good stuff. Simon Laurent, immigration lawyer who's joining us. It's 5.25.
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  Speaker 2: Text from Zane. Andrew, our debt is so far from
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  Speaker 2: a worry, it isn't even funny.
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  Speaker 9: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Well, OK.
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  Speaker 2: You can say that relatively globally, but the rest of
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  Speaker 2: the planet's debt is a worry. And that's what I
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  Speaker 2: worry about. New South Wales FB, 5.27. Let's talk about immigration.
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  Speaker 2: The past week has seen immigration policies come to the fore.
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  Speaker 2: So New Zealand first. signalling a tougher immigration stance, longer
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  Speaker 2: waits for residency and citizenship, a referendum to cap new
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  Speaker 2: residency approvals to 20,000 a year, and a 30-year population
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  Speaker 2: plan tying migrant intake to infrastructure capacity. Labour also has
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  Speaker 2: announced it will tighten settings, extending residency qualification to four
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  Speaker 2: years and promising a government policy statement. But economists are
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  Speaker 2: pointing out that these policies miss the real immigration pressure
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  Speaker 2: because we issue more than 230,000 temporary work visas annually,
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  Speaker 2: largely for lower-paid roles on our farms, in our kitchens,
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  Speaker 2: and even in our beauty salons. We need these people.
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  Speaker 2: And yes, the temporary workers aren't here forever. They're not migrants,
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  Speaker 2: but when they go, they're replaced by other temporary visa holders,
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  Speaker 2: so the numbers stay up there. This quarter of a
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  Speaker 2: million of temporary visa holders is still driving population growth.
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  Speaker 2: It's still straining infrastructure, and it's still suppressing wages. And
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  Speaker 2: they come with problems that no one is addressing. And
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  Speaker 2: not for the first time with these immigration policies, politicians
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  Speaker 2: can't see the wood for the trees. And not for
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  Speaker 2: the first time, they then release policies that are primarily
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  Speaker 2: designed to get votes, but don't address the issues. Have
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  Speaker 2: a few too many drinks. Well, how do I get home?
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  Speaker 2: Get out the old hop cart. You can pay for
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  Speaker 2: the trains and public transport using a credit card, but
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: be warned, you pay full price for that. You pay
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: a discounted price using the hop cart. Get a hop cart.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: It costs 10 bucks. Graham says, Andrew, it's the subsidizing
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: I don't like. With the public transport, everything's subsidized, Graham.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: I saw people talking about the labor $ 20 fare cap
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: the other day, and people go, oh, that's subsidization. Now,
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: put it this way. Mill Road, the money spent on
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: that to build one road for one area, if you
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: use that, you could actually have subsidised fares capped at
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: 20 bucks a week for the next 50 years. So,
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: you know, everything's subsidised. And the train, though, fun time.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: All right, still to come, Donna DeMaio out of Australia.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: There's another case of bird flu this time and a
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: warm-blooded creature. And Tanya Tapsell on the tourism numbers. They're great.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: How's Rotorua feeling?
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: The Early Edition full show podcast on iHeartRadio, powered by
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Newstalk ZB. Andrew Dickens on Early Edition with Spark for Business,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: technology that keeps business moving. Newstalk ZB. Good morning to you.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining the program. Ryan's in
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Wellington today doing some stuff over a breakfast meeting. extracurricular activity,
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: so he's back tomorrow, so that's all good. Nobody's sick.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: That's all good. Yeah, that's well. It's all good. Text
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: through from Tony. Two of my flatmates are immigrants from
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: India and work at a supermarket and drive Ubers. How
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: can New Zealanders not do that work? Well, Tony, go
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: ask New Zealanders, but they don't want to. The wages
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: are too low. The conditions are too bad. It's only
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: the immigrants on the temporary work visas or a quarter
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: of a million of them that will do it. Neil
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: asked the question, where are the jobs? There isn't the
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: knitting mills or the gumboots and shoe factories or the
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: car factories anymore. Oh, that's right. They all went off
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: to where these migrants come from, the low-wage economies. And
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: that's true, Neil. But there we are. That's what we've
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: got right now. And then thank you so much to
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: the fact checkers that we have amongst the audience. A
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: texter says, birds are warm-blooded. Andrew, because I was talking
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: about Donna DeMaio, I said, oh, the bird flu's in
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: a warm-blooded creature. Birds are warm-blooded.
• 19:08
  Speaker 9: I know.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: What I meant was, it's in a mammal. It's in
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: a mammal. What mammal? Well, Donna will tell us that shortly.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: It is 22 to 6. Around the country we go.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Rosie Leesman joins us from Dunedin. Good morning to you, Rosie.
• 19:23
  Speaker 11: Good morning, Andrew.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Tell me the latest news out of Ronald McDonald House
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: in Dunedin.
• 19:27
  Speaker 11: Yes, so after years of community fundraising, movement is finally
• 19:31
  Speaker 11: being made on Dunedin's Ronald McDonald House. The charity is
• 19:35
  Speaker 11: preparing to demolish an existing building and begin construction by
• 19:39
  Speaker 11: the end of the year on a facility directly opposite
• 19:42
  Speaker 11: the new hospital. Since 2010, the Dunedin Supper Club has
• 19:47
  Speaker 11: raised three million dollars for the project Ronald McDonald House
• 19:50
  Speaker 11: CEO Lisa Tai says the community's support has been overwhelming
• 19:54
  Speaker 11: despite the long wait and she says that she understands
• 19:57
  Speaker 11: the frustration but is grateful for how passionate the community has.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Remained all right how's your weather today It's.
• 20:04
  Speaker 11: Fine today with possible morning fog, light winds, then north-easterlies
• 20:09
  Speaker 11: for a time this afternoon and a high of 20 degrees.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Well, enjoy it. And thank you, Rosie. I understand the
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: weather's turning to murk a little bit later on in
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: the week, the last big snow of winter. We'll see
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: how that goes. Let's go to Christchurch. Claire Sherwood, good morning.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Good morning. There was an inquest into a Christchurch mum,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Laisa Waka. Is there good news that's come out of
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: this inquest?
• 20:29
  Speaker 12: Well, yeah, I mean, good news, some positivity or some hope,
• 20:32
  Speaker 12: I guess. There's hope, particularly from the family, that this
• 20:35
  Speaker 12: death may become a catalyst for some changes within mental
• 20:39
  Speaker 12: health services across the country. Laisa Walker was stabbed to
• 20:42
  Speaker 12: death by a guy by the name of Zachariah Hussain.
• 20:45
  Speaker 12: She was just metres from her home in Sockburn in
• 20:48
  Speaker 12: 2022 when this happened. Now, Hussain was an inpatient of
• 20:51
  Speaker 12: Hillmorton Hospital at the time. He'd earlier been jailed for
• 20:54
  Speaker 12: another stabbing rampage around the city, and he's now in
• 20:57
  Speaker 12: prison for Laisa's death. Now, Walker's husband, Nemanji Chunido, told
• 21:02
  Speaker 12: a coronial inquest yesterday he's seeking truth, accountability and a
• 21:05
  Speaker 12: lesson to be learned. He says the inquest isn't only
• 21:08
  Speaker 12: about what happened to his wife, but also ensuring that
• 21:11
  Speaker 12: those trusted with care of others are held accountable. Walker's son, Epinetti,
• 21:15
  Speaker 12: says he's trying to honour his mum's memory by turning
• 21:18
  Speaker 12: pain into purpose and he's now studying social work at
• 21:21
  Speaker 12: the university.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: As a result. How's your weather? How's your weather?
• 21:25
  Speaker 12: Some fog about this morning too. A bit of a
• 21:27
  Speaker 12: fine day after that. Northeasterlies for a time this afternoon
• 21:30
  Speaker 12: and the high will be 20.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: We're joined by Max Toll out of Wellington. Morning, Max.
• 21:34
  Speaker 9: Good morning.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: So what a wonderful apology yesterday. Heather loved it. It's
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: the fella who took his eye off the website that
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: went from 100,000 to 600 grand.
• 21:43
  Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah.
• 21:44
  Speaker 8: I'll lay it all out. I think it's fair to
• 21:46
  Speaker 8: say the hits keep coming for this council. So Revelations,
• 21:49
  Speaker 8: the Wellington City Council spent $ 600, 000 on a website for
• 21:51
  Speaker 8: the central library that It should have cost a fraction
• 21:56
  Speaker 8: of that, as little as you say, as $ 100, 000. And
• 22:00
  Speaker 8: so stop me if this sounds familiar. A new report
• 22:02
  Speaker 8: has found a lack of oversight and a rushed tender process.
• 22:05
  Speaker 8: The chief operating officer, as you say, taking full responsibility,
• 22:09
  Speaker 8: which is rare for local government, admitting, quite frankly, he
• 22:13
  Speaker 8: didn't pay much attention to the process. A few hundred
• 22:15
  Speaker 8: thousand ratepayer bucks that could have been spent on the
• 22:17
  Speaker 8: pipes or some community project. Apparently, top council officials did
• 22:22
  Speaker 8: something called a rapid procurement-in-a-day tender process. In other words,
• 22:27
  Speaker 8: it got a couple of applications to build this website
• 22:29
  Speaker 8: in 24 hours without going to market and hurriedly chose one,
• 22:32
  Speaker 8: which cost way too much. Fairly ridiculous, but not unique
• 22:36
  Speaker 8: to these local bureaucrats.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: They fast-tracked themselves and got it wrong. What's the weather like?
• 22:42
  Speaker 8: Partly cloudy with some stronger northerlies, 15.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: All right, Neva Ratimanu joins me now from Auckland.
• 22:47
  Speaker 8: Hello, Neva.
• 22:47
  Speaker 7: Good morning.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: So this poor fella in his 60s collapsed outside a
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: medical centre last Thursday. Now, what's the story there?
• 22:53
  Speaker 14: Yes, now what we know is that an Auckland doctor
• 22:55
  Speaker 14: says that an alleged failure to help a dying man
• 22:59
  Speaker 14: outside his clinic was a misunderstanding. So a man believed
• 23:02
  Speaker 14: to be in his 60s. Now, he collapsed outside, you're
• 23:05
  Speaker 14: quite right, the Mount Albert Medical Centre. This happened last Thursday.
• 23:08
  Speaker 14: A witness claims requests for assistance in a defibrillator. They
• 23:13
  Speaker 14: were refused by the clinic. And this was as bystanders
• 23:15
  Speaker 14: performed CPR. A young couple allegedly told the man wasn't
• 23:20
  Speaker 14: a patient.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Now, Dr.
• 23:22
  Speaker 14: Karin Patel says that the clinic is actually a single
• 23:25
  Speaker 14: doctor practice with one nurse. They were both in surgery
• 23:28
  Speaker 14: at the time, unaware of what was happening. So Dr.
• 23:32
  Speaker 14: Karin Patel says that apparently they're undertaking a full review
• 23:35
  Speaker 14: to understand the events leading up to the man's death.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: What's your weather?
• 23:38
  Speaker 14: Partly cloudy, just the odd shower, 17th of high here
• 23:41
  Speaker 14: in Auckland.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Hello, thank you. Happy birthday, Prince Harry. The little one
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: is 42 years old today. Happy birthday, Harry. I'm back
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: in the UK. Oh, here's a story I quite liked
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: about Batman, Christian Bale. He was Batman until 2012. What's
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: he doing these days? He's just opened a foster care
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: village in California. So it's 12 furnished homes, two studio apartments,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: and it's all for those people transitioning out of foster
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: care and trying to make it on their own feet.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: It will focus on stability, support and care. He said
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: that raising kids of his own made him wonder about
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: the circumstances of children without parents. He's got two kids.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: And so now he's built 12 furnished homes and two
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: studio apartments. There you go. That's altruism. That's trickle down,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: isn't it? That's Batman saving the day without hitting anyone.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: A mammal has the bird flu in Australia. Donna DeMaio
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: on that. And also Pauline Hanson is causing ructions. But
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: that's her job description. That's next. And before six, Tanya
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Tapsell on the tourism figures. Is Rotorua feeling it?
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: International Correspondence with NZI Insurance. Peace of mind for New
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Zealand business.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: It's 14 to six to Australia. We go where it's
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: very early in the morning, but Donna DeMaio is up. Hello, Donna.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: I am up.
• 24:56
  Speaker 8: Yes.
• 24:57
  Speaker 7: Good morning.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: So Pauline Hanson, it's all go around Pauline. She had
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: to apologise over comments about First Nation Australians and then
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: she released her migration policy. So how was that received?
• 25:07
  Speaker 10: Oh, goodness me. She wants to cut migration by 750,000
• 25:10
  Speaker 10: over three years. Now, this policy has been nearly universally panned.
• 25:17
  Speaker 10: Business groups aren't happy. Universities aren't happy. The aged care
• 25:19
  Speaker 10: sector says that it will decimate recruitment and their workforce
• 25:24
  Speaker 10: will mean that they'll have to close many, many doors
• 25:28
  Speaker 10: in the aged care sector. Labor doesn't like it. The
• 25:30
  Speaker 10: Liberals don't like it. Basically, the policy involves targeting international
• 25:37
  Speaker 10: students and family members of skilled migrants. And if people
• 25:42
  Speaker 10: are found to be overstaying their visas for more than
• 25:45
  Speaker 10: one month, they would face an automatic three-year ban. if
• 25:50
  Speaker 10: found to be overstaying by six months or more, a
• 25:53
  Speaker 10: lifetime ban. Now, there's been reaction also from the former
• 25:58
  Speaker 10: Immigration Department Deputy, Abul Rizvi, who says that this hardline
• 26:02
  Speaker 10: approach will require huge funding for enforcement and legal costs
• 26:07
  Speaker 10: and detention centres, and this could lead to many, many
• 26:11
  Speaker 10: billions of dollars in costs.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: Also, the.
• 26:16
  Speaker 10: The migration policy released by Pauline Hanson yesterday has been
• 26:19
  Speaker 10: compared to Trump's administration. Now, Trump has a budget of
• 26:23
  Speaker 10: about $ 170 billion US. So that's where the comparison has
• 26:28
  Speaker 10: been made in regard to how much it would cost
• 26:30
  Speaker 10: if one nation was able to implement this policy. So
• 26:37
  Speaker 10: I thought that was very, very interesting that there's been
• 26:41
  Speaker 10: significant backlash, let's say, and comments made that this just
• 26:45
  Speaker 10: would not be a good idea.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, we've got a case of bird flu again, and
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: this time in a mammal. So who's got it?
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 26:54
  Speaker 10: An endangered Australian sea lion has been confirmed. South Australian
• 26:59
  Speaker 10: government said that it's the first H5 bird flu case
• 27:01
  Speaker 10: in such a mammal. And it was found by a
• 27:06
  Speaker 10: state government ranger at Kangaroo Island. And interestingly, the animal
• 27:10
  Speaker 10: had actually sustained a shark wound three months prior, already
• 27:14
  Speaker 10: being monitored, but they know now that it did have
• 27:17
  Speaker 10: bird flu and that's what killed it, which is very,
• 27:19
  Speaker 10: very sad. And we know that There's many, many thousands left,
• 27:23
  Speaker 10: but it is an endangered species. So there's about 800
• 27:27
  Speaker 10: at that colony where this one was found. And it's
• 27:32
  Speaker 10: just quite distressing for everyone to think that, you know,
• 27:35
  Speaker 10: it could actually spread. But there's about 12,000 Australian sea
• 27:39
  Speaker 10: lions left.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: But that's not many, is it? No, no, of course.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: But let's just hope it hasn't been socialising and spreading
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: it all over the place. Donna, I thank you. It's
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: 11 to 6. So, good news for tourism in this country.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: International visitor numbers are finally back above pre-COVID levels. That's
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: a great headline, isn't it? 256,600 travellers arrived in July,
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: the first month to beat 2019 levels. Australia led the charge.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: 134,900 Ocas came here. China and the United States were
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: also up. Tanya Tapsell is the mayor of Rotorua and
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: joins me right now.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: Hello. Hello.
• 28:13
  Speaker 13: Kia ora, very happy to be here today with that news.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Is Rotorua feeling it? Can you tell?
• 28:19
  Speaker 13: Yes, we absolutely are. But I've got to say investment matters.
• 28:24
  Speaker 13: And so I think that the efforts that have gone in,
• 28:26
  Speaker 13: both locally from councils and regional tourism operators, but also
• 28:30
  Speaker 13: from our government to these key markets, in particular Australia,
• 28:34
  Speaker 13: China and US, is really starting to pay off. And remember,
• 28:37
  Speaker 13: this is usually a quiet time. So the real big win,
• 28:41
  Speaker 13: I believe, is that over 70% jump in an increase
• 28:45
  Speaker 13: in our business and conference events. That's what keeps us
• 28:48
  Speaker 13: busy in the quiet seasons as well.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Is it the government spending that helped or was it
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: in fact your region actually getting off the chairs and
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: shouting about yourself?
• 28:57
  Speaker 13: Look, definitely starting from the region, some awesome local leadership there,
• 29:02
  Speaker 13: but it was also backed by government funding. So if
• 29:05
  Speaker 13: we look at the people who have seen on the
• 29:08
  Speaker 13: ground more business, more visitors, Orosura is one of them.
• 29:11
  Speaker 13: We've had about 2 million visitors in the past year,
• 29:14
  Speaker 13: although our population is 78,000. But we actually teamed up
• 29:18
  Speaker 13: with Auckland and Wellington and said instead of just trying
• 29:22
  Speaker 13: to go overseas permanently, in a very competitive market, let's
• 29:26
  Speaker 13: actually work together. So we worked together with Kiwi North,
• 29:29
  Speaker 13: and that was backed by $ 2 million from the government. Interestingly,
• 29:32
  Speaker 13: just a recent announcement, we'll also do that again, but
• 29:35
  Speaker 13: focusing on hospitality too, which I'm sure will be welcome news.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: I was there two weeks ago and it was great. Waiariki,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: the new spa, is amazing. And of course, your lakefront
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: is looking great, but that was thanks to the provincial
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: fund with Shane Jones as well. So there's been great investment.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Rotorua is looking good.
• 29:52
  Speaker 13: It definitely is. And this is a success that we
• 29:55
  Speaker 13: can have when governments actually work alongside councils. So, you know,
• 29:59
  Speaker 13: we'll see how that goes with future government reforms and
• 30:01
  Speaker 13: rates capping. We'll be looking at things like this and go, hmm,
• 30:04
  Speaker 13: how are we going to pay for that? So let's
• 30:06
  Speaker 13: focus on putting investment where it matters.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Now let's talk about the parking, because the headline is
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: the CBD is dead. And this happened this week. And
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: the businesses are saying it's because of the council and
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: putting charges on the parking lot. Is the CBD dead?
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: And I have to say, I did see it a
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago and it did seem quite quiet.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: And is it because of the parking charges?
• 30:29
  Speaker 13: Look, this is why I normally try to stay off
• 30:31
  Speaker 13: social media, but I slid right in there into the
• 30:34
  Speaker 13: comments because I had to kind of correct a few things. Yes,
• 30:36
  Speaker 13: there are naturally quiet times in the day, but it
• 30:39
  Speaker 13: is very hard to find a park because it is
• 30:42
  Speaker 13: so busy. And so we have had changes to our
• 30:45
  Speaker 13: parking because everybody complained about the last one. So you
• 30:48
  Speaker 13: really can't win. But we have definitely much better machines,
• 30:51
  Speaker 13: a better app to use, and we actually, a lot
• 30:54
  Speaker 13: of people listening are going, whoa, we have free parking
• 30:57
  Speaker 13: for an hour in much of our inner city. You
• 30:59
  Speaker 13: just need to register your number plate. So quite honestly,
• 31:02
  Speaker 13: I think there are changes that have happened. It does
• 31:06
  Speaker 13: take a while for people to adapt to those new changes.
• 31:10
  Speaker 13: These will be positive, but I do want to acknowledge,
• 31:12
  Speaker 13: and I've talked with business owners directly saying, look, Is
• 31:15
  Speaker 13: it really the parking? Is there anything else we can
• 31:17
  Speaker 13: do to help? And there is a genuine acknowledgement that
• 31:20
  Speaker 13: it just is a tough time for our economy, which
• 31:22
  Speaker 13: is why buying local matters and continuing to support our
• 31:25
  Speaker 13: local businesses in Hospo really matters.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: And it's also why those tourists have to keep on
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: coming because they come and they spend money. Tanya Tapsell,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: of course, is the Rotorua mayor. So I was down
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: there for a week. It's also about the planning. I
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: was going to ask Tanya this because we could go
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: on forever, but Rotorua Central... is at the south end
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: of the town, and it's got all the big box retail,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: and then you've got 8th Street by the lake, and
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: that's got all the restaurants and stuff. And in the middle,
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: there's this morass, and I'm not quite sure what's there
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: and why it's there. It goes on for blocks as well,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: and that's where it's a little dead. Everyone's at the south,
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: or they're eating at the north. So, you know, town
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: design actually could do with an improve. It is 7
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: to 6.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: News and views you trust to start your day. It's
• 32:12
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• 32:16
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• 32:19
  Speaker 2: So the one story I haven't talked about today is
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: the United Kingdom. And for the first time, Wales, Scotland
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: and Northern Ireland all have First Ministers who want to
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: leave the UK. And they're all having a meeting today
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: and the possibility of constitutional change. And Mike's going to
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: be covering that.
• 32:33
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I will be actually, finally.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it will be.
• 32:36
  Speaker 15: Although having said that, they're talking about referendums. The Welsh
• 32:39
  Speaker 15: person doesn't want a referendum. They're a little bit softer
• 32:42
  Speaker 15: than the Scottish and the Irish. And of course, the
• 32:44
  Speaker 15: Scottish have had a referendum and the people. So what
• 32:47
  Speaker 15: the government think versus what the people think might well
• 32:49
  Speaker 15: be two different things.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: This is true. Meanwhile, Trump's talking about one Ireland. And
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: of course, after Brexit, devolution works so well for the UK.
• 32:57
  Speaker 9: Precisely. So anyway.
• 32:58
  Speaker 15: We'll cover that off. Actually, the purveyors of very good
• 33:01
  Speaker 15: news this morning. So the tourism numbers, which you've just
• 33:03
  Speaker 15: talked about. So they're good.
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: They're back.
• 33:05
  Speaker 15: Took us a long time to get there, but at
• 33:06
  Speaker 15: least we got back. The milk we got this morning,
• 33:11
  Speaker 15: they say internationally supply issues. So price goes up. Demand
• 33:16
  Speaker 15: doesn't go anywhere.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Nobody else is making it, but we are.
• 33:18
  Speaker 15: Seems the weirdest thing, and I will ask the people
• 33:20
  Speaker 15: we're talking to, is if you were– kind of able
• 33:23
  Speaker 15: to get a cow and make some milk.
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  Speaker 2: Wouldn't you?
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  Speaker 4: Wouldn't you?
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  Speaker 15: And yet seemingly they don't. And there is change coming
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  Speaker 15: this morning to the fast track business. So around housing,
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  Speaker 15: the government have finally woken up to the idea that
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  Speaker 15: you're just plonking a thousand houses everywhere and getting the
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  Speaker 15: wastewater trucked out is.
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  Speaker 4: Probably not modern.
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  Speaker 2: You kind of need to plan a suburb. You would
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  Speaker 2: have thought so. But anyway, they didn't see this until
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  Speaker 2: they did.
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  Speaker 15: So the announcement's coming later on this morning that there
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  Speaker 15: will be changes to that particular aspect of fast track.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe they fast-tracked the fast-track and they didn't quite get
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  Speaker 2: it right, which is what's happening with the fast-track. But
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  Speaker 2: there we go. Mike Hosking is next. My name is
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  Speaker 2: Andrew Dickens. My thanks to producer Sam who set up
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  Speaker 2: the show, producer Kenzie who's always here doing the business.
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  Speaker 2: And Brian will be back tomorrow. Have yourself a great day.
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