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Episode 423: The Death of DEI? · Words & Numbers

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Hi, I'm James and I'm Anthony and this.
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Is words and numbers brought to you by the fine people at Khaki,
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the Center for American Culture and Ideas.
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Aunt, what's new and exciting in your world this week?
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I'm caught in a weird situation comes about because of an
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article I ran across. Wisconsin is now the 50th of the
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50 states to introduce right to repair laws.
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I started digging into this and ran across a company, Dorman
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Products. Dorman Products produces parts
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for automobiles, aftermarket parts.
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And what these guys do is they'll go find mechanics and
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people who work in, you know, automobile factories and
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interview them and find out what parts are failing in cars.
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And Dorman will produce better parts.
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They'll fix whatever the failure thing is.
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And they market these things as aftermarket products to the
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extent that places like Napa are starting to only stock, or I
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shouldn't say only, but to stock the Dorman products instead of
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the original equipment manufacturer, the OEM products,
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because the Dorman is better. But this goes back to this right
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to repair legislation. And, you know, my knee jerk
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reaction to anything is we're better off without regulation as
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long as no one's being harmed. But you know, I've got a soft
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spot here. It.
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Really irks me when I buy something, The thing is now mine
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and it's been created in such a way that if I want to get into
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it to repair it, I end up breaking it because it's
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designed to break if you attempt to get into it so that the
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manufacturer can sell me a new one.
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Well, that does seem to me to be a harm.
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Well. It also seems to me to be a
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violation of your property right.
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Well, not really, because I'm not required to buy the thing.
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The guy selling it to me basically as is the as is is.
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You can't take it apart. Yeah, but this is that same
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nonsense that you get every time you look at that big long list
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of things you have to agree to every time you use a piece of
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software. This is just one of those things
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they say, well, you know, you don't have to buy it if you
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don't agree to the terms. Well, the term is patently
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absurd. Yeah, I guess the the purist in
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me says you should just leave it to the market, but the
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pragmatist in me says I like this a lot.
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Well, I like this because you're going to get more hate mail than
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me this week again. And I got to tell you, I took a
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lot of hate mail over the recent utterances I made on vaccines.
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So you can bet we're going to get back to that because you had
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another person has died from measles in these United States.
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But that's for another week, because this week and we have a
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real tragedy on our hands. Mega Millions ticket prices are
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set to increase. From what to what?
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2 to $5. Wow, they're more than doubling.
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They say a couple of things. They say that the prizes will
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get bigger and that more people will win.
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So it's kind of like toilet paper math.
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Do you ever see this is the equivalent of 64 rolls of toilet
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paper? How can one roll of toilet paper
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be the equivalent of 64 rolls of toilet paper?
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And I think we're we've got more or less the same kind of
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nonsense here. But I wonder if this is where
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people finally look at it and say, well, you know what?
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No thanks. I, I mean, I doubt it.
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I think there's always going to be a market for this sort of
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thing. It's a wholly regressive tax.
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It hits people who can afford at least and yet they're willingly
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going to the store and, and buying these things.
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So, you know, who am I to tell them they shouldn't, but they
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really shouldn't. And you see where all this is
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going to lead. People are going to end up
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broker than before and the multiple states who are in on
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the lottery will just clear more money off it and the occasional
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winner will emerge and we'll all say damn I wish I was that guy.
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Yeah, I'm interviewed every time the the prize gets over a
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certain amount. I always say the same thing as
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you have. There's a regressive tax in
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effect. But I think what's really
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happening here is the state, and the state has a monopoly on
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this, right? The state is selling the
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opportunity to dream. Well, that's why I buy lottery
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tickets. I know I'm not going to win.
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I just like to think of all the people I'm going to say very
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upsetting things to. If I did, James is less
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concerned with the money than he is what he can tell people to
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do. With with impunity, right?
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I can just keep saying it and never really get in trouble ever
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again. Which would be pretty
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outstanding. But of course this brings us to
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the foolishness of the week, as I occasionally do.
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Aunt, have you a guess? Well, the episode today is DEI,
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so you got to top that right off.
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I think I got it licked. What do Bernie Sanders?
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Josh Hawley, a Republican senator from Missouri?
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Alexandria Ocasio Cortez and Representative Anna Paulina
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Luna, Republican from Florida, have in common.
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Oh wow, I can't imagine. They are all on board with a
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piece of legislation that will cap credit card interest rates
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at 10%. Oh good Lord, come on again.
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Why is it it's like clockwork? Every 10 years this comes back
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around. We got to make the same
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arguments all over again. Well, you might as well just go
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ahead and make them, because here we are.
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And this time we've got two Republicans, a Democrat, and an
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independent slash commie all on board together.
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And I've said this before, when you see some kind of bipartisan
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support like this, you can bet your last dollar that you're
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looking at a lousy idea. Yeah, yeah.
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And So what happens? You know, what's going to
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happen? Sooner or later, these fools are
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going to get this legislation through the right kind of
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majoritarian nonsense that, well, you know, in Trump's
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America, this is the kind of thing that we're going to be
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seeing a little more of, I think, as we go forward.
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As you know, the populism kind of boils up from the bottom.
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Well, what's going to happen? OK, great.
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Banks can only charge 10%, which they will do, and that means
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everybody who's not worth a credit risk will no longer get a
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credit card. Yep, Yep, that's exactly right.
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All the poor people will be without credit cards, and how do
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you figure that's going to work for them in the long run?
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Oh well, what's going to happen is those same politicians are
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going to turn around and say look at these evil banks they're
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discriminating on the basis of, and they'll list everything
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except the real reason they're discriminating, which is you're
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a risk that isn't worth 10%. Yep, that's exactly what they're
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going to say. And then when people go to those
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check cashing places just to get a little bit of cash ahead of
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payday, well now they're going to regulate that and they're
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going to say, well, now you're leeching off the poor and you
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can't make a profit either, so they'll go out of business and
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so on and so forth. If you want people to do well
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financially, you do well to get out of the markets entirely if
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you're the government. Yeah.
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And that will never happen. When I read this story today, it
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was almost as if we're in an election year already.
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The people are posturing for the next election.
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Well, great. Yeah, it seems to never end
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completely off this topic, but am I correct?
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I read somewhere recently that is it Canada or UK, one of these
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countries with a parliament did its election cycle.
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It's a matter of weeks between the time they say we're going to
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have an election and they do, and they now have a new
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government. That can happen in many
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parliamentary systems. It seems enlightened when you
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look at how long we go on and on and on, pounding on a very dead
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horse by the time we're near the end of the cycle.
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But for crying out loud, I I don't even know what to say
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about this. This is such a profoundly bad
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idea that it could only be a bipartisan 1.
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Look, this is basic economics. It's very much akin to the tube
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of toothpaste. You can pound down on one place
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is going to come up in the other.
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You can restrict the quantity or you can restrict the price.
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Take your pick and whichever 1 you restrict, the markets going
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to react on the other one. Go ahead, put a cap on the
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price, the markets going to pull back on the quantity.
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This is an even more obvious and Dumber example of the same
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phenomenon of surge pricing being disallowed by governments
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in the name of price gouging. What we talked about on the
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previous episode or one back from that, that New York State
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capped the charges for broadband and AT&T, yes, said, look, we
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can't make money, we're leaving and now there's no broadband.
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Yep, Yep, that's right. And AT&T are They're the
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villains. Right.
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Yes. They're the bad guys here
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because it's never the fools who try to wrangle forces beyond
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their control with policy. It's never them.
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It's always the corporation who is there to make a profit and
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nothing else, which I think dovetails nicely into what we're
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talking about today. But before we do, I would be
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remiss, Ant, if I didn't address a very, very healthy criticism
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that we have faced in the past week or two when it became clear
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that episode 420 of Words and Numbers was not about marijuana.
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I. Know we both missed that
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entirely. What on earth were we thinking?
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It must have been all that we we were smoking at the time that
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clouded our vision. That was such an obvious thing
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to do, and yet we didn't. Yeah, yeah, we dropped the ball
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there. Yeah, without question.
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And to all of you who have sent your very callous remarks to
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both of us, I would assume, yeah, this one's on us.
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Sorry. Yeah, sorry about that.
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But we should go back and look at that.
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Some years ago, when Colorado was one of the 1st or among the
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first states to legalize marijuana, we did an episode and
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we wrote a couple of op eds saying that, look, the sky is
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not going to fall here. Everything's going to work out
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fine. We should go back and revisit
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that. It's been some years now.
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It has, and I suspect people in Colorado might sing a different
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song at this point. I think a lot of people who were
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ambivalent about legalization are now sick of the nonsense
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that it brings. Oh, really?
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And I think a lot of politicians are absolutely addicted to the
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tax revenue. I'd be interested in getting
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back to it myself. Oh, what an interesting twist
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that now it's the public who doesn't want it, but the
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politicians do. Yeah, I mean, look, I live in a
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state in which marijuana is legal.
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And, you know, I have a very heightened sense of smell.
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I can actually smell it driving down the highway literally every
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day when I'm on the roads. People around my car are smoking
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weed in their cars left and right.
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That's really not a great thing. Now, apart from that sort of
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thing, would you know that we had a legal weed regime here?
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I don't think you would. It doesn't pop up in any other
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way. We have the same problems every
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mid sized city has. Maybe a bigger homeless problem
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than some, but I don't think that has much to do with the
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availability of legal weed. I think that might have been the
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case in Colorado early on, where losers flocked to the state
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because they just wanted to get high all the time.
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But here I don't think that's the issue.
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Nonetheless, it would be interesting to get back to that
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one. So let's maybe stick a pin in
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But for now, Aunt, we made a promise last week that we would
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discuss DE I3 initials that we have not ever used on this
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podcast, I don't think. And this is the big week.
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So where does one begin unpacking such a profoundly
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horrible idea? Well, I started by looking up
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some polling to see what what is Pew saying about it, for
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example. And the questions, it's
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important here when you look at polls to read carefully the
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question that's asked. And here the headline is, and
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this is coming from Pew, a majority of workers say focusing
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on DEI at work is a good thing. And not so fast.
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Well, here's the question. It's telling us what percentage
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of employed adults said that in general, focusing on increasing
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diversity, equity and inclusion at work is.
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And then you've got good thing, bad thing, what have you.
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And you've got 56% of people saying mainly a good thing.
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Now, here's what I find fascinating about the question.
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Of course, the headline is 56 percent or a majority say DEI is
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good, but read the wording. It says in general, focusing on
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increasing diversity, equity and inclusion at work is mainly.
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So you've got two general qualifiers there, the in general
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and the mainly, Yeah. And as I'm reading this, I'm
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thinking, you know, if I were given this question, and I'm not
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a huge fan of equity issues to begin with.
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But as I'm reading the question and it gives the in general and
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the mainly I'm focusing on the inclusion and I'm saying, yeah,
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you know what, inclusion, this is important to me.
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I could see responding, yeah, this is a good thing given the
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qualifiers in that they're listing out separately.
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Diversity, equity, inclusion is 3 separate things.
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I think it's even worse than that.
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I think that in a lot of these polls people are presented with
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something like this. Are you in favor of diversity in
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the workplace? Who's going to say no to that,
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right? Are you in favor of inclusion in
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the workplace? It seems to be saying the same
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damn thing, but who's going to say no to that?
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Are you in favor of equitable outcomes?
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Anybody you know going to say no to that?
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And yet you have all kinds of specialized knowledge, right?
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So you know what these questions are really getting at, you know,
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how polls are constructed and on and on and on.
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And even you just admitted a second ago you might have
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checked off that box without even thinking.
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About it, yeah. Mm.
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Hmm. Well, what's it going to be like
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when regular people who don't think about this kind of thing
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every minute of their lives, What are they going to do?
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They're going to go for it every single time.
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And then the pollsters are going to say, meaning to say, the
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people who commissioned the polls, meaning to say political
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actors who want these answers are going to say the American
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people are so broadly in favor of DEI.
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Why are we even talking about it?
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Right. And yet we know anybody with an
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ounce of sense knows that that's not true.
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That's not true at all. And this goes back in our
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history for a very long while, right?
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We've got a traditional problem centered right around these
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ideas that goes back. I mean, look, you can make the
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case, I think strongly so, that all of this is brought about by
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the Once Upon a time condition of slavery.
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Now the honest question to ask is how long does that continue
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to be a valid reason to keep chasing these things?
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At some point you have to say, look, it's been 160 years or so.
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Aren't we kind of done with this?
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Or is this going to be a built in problem for the rest of all
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time? Yeah.
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We're at the point now where I cannot meet someone who was ever
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enslaved, and I never enslaved anyone.
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Therefore, there are no victims and there are no villains
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anymore. There might be a condition that
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none of us are really responsible for.
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I'm ambivalent in a lot of ways and how we address that.
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But to say that there's a group of people who are villains and
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another group who are victims is wholly incorrect.
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That's just nonsense. And yet here we are.
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You know, from the time the Civil War ended to the time of
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the civil rights movement, we got roughly 100 years, and it's
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100 pretty rough years in our history.
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You know, you would think that the 13th, 14th and 15th
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Amendment, something we've talked about often, would have
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sufficed to fix the problem that we had.
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They didn't. They just didn't, and that
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problem lingered for 100 years. Well, OK, then it was time for
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the civil rights movement, the civil rights era if you prefer.
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And we get the Civil Rights Act of 1964 with the introduction of
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this thing and affirmative action.
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Notice what it's called, affirmative action.
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Who could be against an action that is affirmative?
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Right. What kind of heartless, soulless
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Wretch would you have to be? But there were a group of people
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back at the time who said, you know, if you pass this into law,
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there will be quotas. There will be hiring quotas all
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across the country. And Hubert Humphrey, who
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championed this bill like no one ever championed anything,
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famously said if you can find quotas in this bill, I'll eat my
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hat. Well, the ink wasn't try on the
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page. And companies were coming up
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with and governments were coming up with quota systems.
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Why? How else would you know you were
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successful, right? You have to count X before, and
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then you have to count X after. And the after result has to be
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better than the before result. And the only way is to count.
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And the minute you start counting, congratulations, now
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you've got quotas, because how else will you know what to aim
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for? Well, the American people put up
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with this for a long time. They didn't like it, but they
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put up with it because they knew in their hearts there had been a
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real problem, and they didn't want to be part of a continued
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problem. So OK, But by the time I'm in
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Graduate School in the 1990s. Affirmative action was a hot
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button issue and it had all but run its course, and that was in
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the mid 90s. By the late 90s, you see it
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falling apart everywhere. It gets beaten back at the
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Supreme Court level, right? It's getting dismantled
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everywhere you can find it. And what is the radical American
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left to do? Then they come up with this
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brand new and completely unrelated idea.
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It had nothing to do with affirmative action.
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No, no, this is completely different.
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It was called multiculturalism. Do you remember that one?
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Yo-yo. And who could be against multi
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meaning many in culturalism meaning many cultures?
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Yes, that's a good thing. Sure.
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Yeah, except it had all of the exact same goals, maybe with a
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couple of more tacked on as affirmative action had when
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affirmative action had just died a few years before.
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So what do you know? Multiculturalism dies, kind of a
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still birth in a lot of ways, does some damage for a while and
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just disappears. And then, as if by magic, some
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years later, DEI shows up. I ask you, aunt, how is DEI
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different from affirmative action?
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No, no it's not. It's got flashier packaging.
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It's nice that you would speak the absolute utter truth of the
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matter. It's not any different.
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Well, OK, do we need it? I guess that would be the only
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question to ask, right? Because if the answer to that is
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yes, well, I guess we're going to have to say maybe we will
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always need it. Are the minorities living among
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us somehow so incapable that they can't succeed without
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something like this? Or is it the case that the white
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majority is so horrible that this outcome is preordained?
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Because those are the only two possibilities.
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When you talked about diversity, you said, you know who can be
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against it? You talked about affirmative
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action. Who could be against that?
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The word multiculturalism, same thing.
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Who could be against it in in all three cases?
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And I think so too with this Pew survey that I'd looked at, it's
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phrased as as a good thing. Of course you want diversity, of
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course you want multiculturalism, so on and so
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forth. What's not stated anywhere is at
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what cost. And that becomes the problem, I
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think, when people look around. And I observed it first hand
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when I would sit on more than one faculty hiring committee and
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somebody on the committee would invariably say something like,
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and I'm paraphrasing, but the words are pretty close to what
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the person actually would say. First thing I did is I went
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through the resumes and I took out all the males or I took out
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all the whites or whatever it was so that we can look only at
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whoever the favored class is that they want to look at.
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And that's the cost is you're now in what you perceive as
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pursuing a justice, you're actually imposing a tremendous
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injustice on other people. And that's fine if those other
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people are the people that brought about the injustice.
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Right. Yes.
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If they are somehow guilty, yes. As a remedy, I'm all in favor of
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that sort of thing. But when you look at people and
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you say, I know you haven't done anything wrong, but somebody who
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looks like you did Once Upon a time, so you're going to have to
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pay, that doesn't sit right with me at all.
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I mean, not at all. So where does that leave me?
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I've got a couple of things here that they're really hard to
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square. And I can tell you, Aunt, when I
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was out on the job market in the Academy, I would every now and
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again have to write up a diversity statement.
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Do you even know what that is? You know, I've just missed it.
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I missed it by maybe two years. So you're like a couple years
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younger than I am. I didn't have to do that ever.
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You mean think about this, a diversity statement?
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What am I supposed to write right?
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Yeah, you're teaching political philosophy.
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What? What kind of diversity are you
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looking for? I mean, there's all kinds of
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good diversity, then there's all kinds of lousy diversity.
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I mean, we don't want Nazis coming in, right?
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I would say Marxist, but colleges love Marxist for some
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reason. But OK, we can at least all
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agree that Nazis are terrible. Should we be open to the
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possibility of a Nazi political scientist?
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Well, given that nobody's open to the possibility of a
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Republican political scientist, I suspect that's out of the
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question. Right.
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I mean, there's a an old observation, I think it was
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Thomas Sowell, who said, you know, if you want to talk to me
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about diversity, show me how many Republicans are in your
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sociology department. That's not a bad idea actually,
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because at the university level, what diversity really means is a
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black progressive, a white progressive, a lesbian
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progressive, a Hispanic progressive.
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There's only that kind of diversity, right?
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Diversity of viewpoint that doesn't exist.
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Anywhere, which is ironic given that the whole product of the
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university is thought and ideas. Right.
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And this is so obviously true that no one would dare
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contradict me. They would prefer I didn't make
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this argument. They would prefer nobody thought
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about these things. But nobody would dare say I'm
25:55
wrong. And that's really telling.
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So how far can we go holding one group of people accountable for
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another group of people's misery?
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That's an actual honest question.
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I don't know the answer to that. I don't think we can do it at
26:15
all, but I only think we can't do it at all if everything we do
26:21
has to be part of the grievance Olympics.
26:23
Where do I get my jersey? Because I want to start claiming
26:28
that I've been done wrong. Well, not me, but people who
26:32
looked like me and, you know, not in this lifetime, but yeah,
26:35
8 or 10 generations ago. And it has a lasting effect on
26:38
me right now here. So what am I entitled to?
26:47
When you look at the United States and what you often see is
26:51
a country doing its level best to do the right thing, It's hard
26:56
to do the right thing. We get confused as a people, we
27:00
get sidetracked. We do all kinds of things that
27:04
are suboptimal. And yet at the end of the day,
27:08
until very recently, and we'll have to see how present day
27:12
contemporary history plays out, but anytime you were looking for
27:16
the morally courageous attitude on the world stage, you looked
27:20
to the United States. I mean, that's pretty good.
27:27
I mean, that's really good. And yet it's never enough.
27:32
I would like to know when it will finally be enough.
27:35
Because one thing I've noticed and you have two, if you did
27:39
even a moderate amount of digging around on this DEI
27:43
business, company after company after company, they're dropping
27:46
this like a hot potato. Everywhere you look, there's
27:50
another company saying, you know what?
27:52
Not anymore. Because it's not helpful to them
27:56
as corporations to do this. If it were, they would do it
28:01
voluntarily and they'd never even talk about it.
28:03
They would just do it. But now they're saying not only
28:08
are they talking about it, they're talking about it in the
28:10
negative. And every corporation that you
28:13
look at is walking as far away from this as they can as fast as
28:17
they can. There will still be a few that
28:19
don't, and I think that's fine as long as your shareholders
28:22
permit it. Knock yourselves out the owner
28:26
of the company, he gets that call and if the owner is a group
28:29
of shareholders, and that's fine too.
28:33
But I don't want to invest in a company that expends loads of
28:36
resources trying to accomplish this.
28:38
Oh, more than that, I wouldn't want to work there.
28:41
I want them to expend loads of resources trying to make a
28:44
profit, which is what a business is for.
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It's not for meeting out some form of hand fisted social.
28:52
Justice, yeah. And remember, for those who are
28:56
squeamish about profit, remember what this means.
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A company that is laser focused on profit.
29:02
Is. By definition, laser focused on
29:04
satisfying the customer because that's how you get.
29:08
Profit. That's right.
29:10
That's right. And one of the ways you satisfy
29:12
customers is by treating people with respect.
29:16
Yeah. All across the board, right?
29:18
Most companies don't have to be told this.
29:21
Some do, but most don't because it kind of goes without saying.
29:26
Those that need to be told it end up either learning it
29:29
quickly or going out of business.
29:32
Yeah, the only large group of people dedicated to a common
29:35
cause who don't have to learn this are government employees.
29:38
Yeah. That's literally true.
29:41
Let me point out something here, because you asked several times
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How much is enough? How long until we're done with
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this? I submit that the answer is
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never. And the reason the answer is
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never is because the people who promote DEI&DEI like things.
30:03
And by promote, I don't mean people who are necessarily just
30:06
for it, but people at the top who are the organizers who make
30:09
a living from this sort of thing.
30:13
They have an incentive to make sure that relations between
30:19
minorities and majorities are never healed, because the moment
30:25
those relations are healed, those people are out of work.
30:28
They have an absolute vested interest in keeping this rolling
30:33
right along. And you've heard me before refer
30:36
to the civil rights industry in the United States rather than
30:39
the civil rights movement, right?
30:41
Because it is an industry now, people's carts are attached to
30:46
this horse. Therefore there can be no end to
30:51
the struggle. But here's an interesting
30:54
question for you, aunt. We're quickly coming up to a
30:58
time when white people will be a minority in the country.
31:02
Yes, we are quickly coming to that.
31:05
What happens then? Right.
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Do they remain the villain forever?
31:12
Oh, I'm pretty sure they do. And I point for evidence to what
31:16
is this new term white adjacent? What the hell?
31:21
When people point out, for example, you know the argument,
31:23
well, minorities don't have a decent opportunity here and so
31:27
on and so forth. And people point to Asians who
31:31
outstrip whites in terms of education, in terms of income.
31:36
In fact, one of the you and I had written an op-ed on this a
31:39
couple of years ago as an empirical response to this claim
31:43
that women are paid less, that minorities are paid less.
31:48
And we looked at the data broken down by gender and by race, and
31:53
what gender slash race earns by far the highest wage in the
31:58
United States. It's Asian women.
32:03
And having known a bunch of them, I'm not the least bit
32:06
surprised. So to answer your question, you
32:09
know, we're already at this point where I've heard Asians
32:12
referred to as white adjacent, or in other words, yeah, they're
32:15
not really minorities. And so when whites become a
32:18
minority, whites will still not be minorities.
32:21
Not really. They have the soul of a
32:24
majority, even if they're an American minority, right?
32:27
So we might as well keep going right down that same tired old
32:30
road. But up until recently, I would
32:33
have said we're getting to the point, but I think we've gotten
32:36
to the point where you just can't get any more out of that
32:40
horse. You can't.
32:42
And, you know, you talk about the civil rights industry and
32:47
we've observed you and I, as we've gone to high schools
32:50
throughout the country, we've seen first hand the
32:54
relationships amongst white and black students in classrooms in
32:59
public schools in this country. Now, of course, we're only
33:02
seeing them for one day, but we are seeing them actually
33:04
interacting remarkably. They're just a bunch of students
33:08
put together. It's not like when you and I
33:10
were in school and there was a clear delineation between the
33:14
white students, the black students, this kind of thing.
33:16
You don't see any of that. I didn't see any of that.
33:19
And that tells me the civil rights industry now, given that
33:24
race relations are, of course, they're not perfect, but they're
33:28
way better than they were in the past, the civil rights industry
33:31
is going to insist that they aren't.
33:35
Well, it has to keep doing that or it goes out of business.
33:38
Right. They're going to be, in effect,
33:40
perpetrating a fraud and saying that we have a problem when in
33:43
fact we don't. I think ultimately that's right,
33:49
and I'll take my foot off the gas for a minute and say I
33:54
suspect that we still have enough by way of racial tension
33:58
that we might want to address it somehow.
34:01
But addressing it in a way that dumps more gasoline onto that
34:05
fire is probably not the way to go.
34:09
Yeah, and here I love Morgan Freeman has a great quote.
34:12
The actor Mike Wallace on 60 Minutes asked him this same
34:16
question. So what should we do about race
34:19
relations? What can we do to improve them?
34:21
And he says quit talking about race.
34:26
Not a bad way to go because we've gotten to the point now
34:31
people forget how important this reality is.
34:35
We've gotten to a point now where people aren't being
34:39
lynched. You say aren't.
34:42
Are not being lynched. That's.
34:44
Right, right. Yeah, yeah.
34:45
And I've said before that I fully believe my black fellow
34:50
citizens when they say that they're not treated well by the
34:53
police. I believe it.
34:55
I think there are all kinds of problems that we face as a
34:59
society. But is having any sort of quota
35:04
for anything the way to address that?
35:07
Is that what promotes healing in any way?
35:11
And I would submit that it does not, that it it actually does
35:17
more harm than good. And when you ask the question,
35:20
when will it end, the only answer to that question is
35:25
never. And if the honest answer is
35:28
never, then it has to end right now, today.
35:33
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35:35
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