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Jordan Walker's Breakout, Willson's Return, Svanson's Struggles · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

• 0:06
  Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another addition of Cardinal Territory.
• 0:10
  Speaker 1: Jim Hays alongside and angry Kyle Gibson and Lance Linn
• 0:17
  Speaker 1: is with us also, and Kyle, you're upset with me,
• 0:20
  Speaker 1: Just let's get it out of the way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if we're being fully transparent here, this
• 0:25
  Speaker 2: show is revolving around our host today. You know your
• 0:27
  Speaker 2: internet was struggling. I was perfectly set up on my iPad,
• 0:31
  Speaker 2: which only works half the time here for some reason
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  Speaker 2: on the show, and I'm here, good looking, clear, and
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  Speaker 2: you were all fuzzy, and as soon as you left
• 0:40
  Speaker 2: and came back, I was gone. And I'm now, you know,
• 0:44
  Speaker 2: doing this on my iPhone that's not an updated iPhone,
• 0:48
  Speaker 2: which is my fault. Lance will yell at me for that,
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  Speaker 2: But I mean here I am staring at a tiny
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• 0:55
  Speaker 2: I feel better now. Thank you for letting me get
• 0:56
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• 0:58
  Speaker 1: Lance, You're an honest, be honest. Hasn't my internet, my
• 1:03
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know what happened with you today, but
• 1:10
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• 1:13
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  Speaker 1: we have a lot to talk about in Cardinal Territory.
• 2:03
  Speaker 1: I guess some good, some not so good. But the
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  Speaker 1: one thing that's been good NonStop, and now what's beyond
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  Speaker 1: good is Jordan Walker. And Jordan Walker has seven homers.
• 2:16
  Speaker 1: I wrote some stats down, but he's been crazy good
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  Speaker 1: homers in six of his last eight games, three twenty
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  Speaker 1: seven batting average. If you look at exit velo and
• 2:30
  Speaker 1: some of the other stats out there about percentage of barrels,
• 2:35
  Speaker 1: he's either two or three and everything. He is killing
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  Speaker 1: the baseball. So I'm just gonna throw it out there,
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  Speaker 1: and Kyle Son's you're the angriest.
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  Speaker 4: I'll go to you first.
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  Speaker 1: What are you seeing from Jordan Walker?
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  Speaker 2: Oh Man, has you know not given me the up
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  Speaker 2: to the answer first? Jim, I was gonna. I was
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  Speaker 2: gonna let you have it. So I'm glad you did.
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  Speaker 2: What am I saying from Jordan Walker? I think confidence
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  Speaker 2: is a huge thing. I think he feels really good
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  Speaker 2: with his approach and where he's at right now, and
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  Speaker 2: I think that is also a huge thing. And from
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  Speaker 2: the swings that I've seen, I like what I see.
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  Speaker 2: I like some of the changes that he's been working on.
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  Speaker 2: I obviously I don't know what he's been working on
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  Speaker 2: in particular right the ins and outs of it, but
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  Speaker 2: I can I can kind of take a guess and
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  Speaker 2: see a few things that I see different. And I'm
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  Speaker 2: not that Jordan watches this show every couple of days.
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  Speaker 2: But he might laugh at me when I when I
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  Speaker 2: say that, and say, no, you're crazy. I haven't done
• 3:31
  Speaker 2: anything like that. But now I think he looks like
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  Speaker 2: he's in a really good spot. Obviously, he's really confident,
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  Speaker 2: swinging about wells, hitting pitches that he wants to be
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  Speaker 2: swinging at, not chasing as much. And yeah, I think
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  Speaker 2: it's a good thing for the Cardinals. I've said it before.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like to put too much, but Jordan Walker
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  Speaker 2: is one of those players that I think it is
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  Speaker 2: important for him to be ongoing if if the Cardinals
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  Speaker 2: want to get to where they're going to.
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  Speaker 1: Be, if you look at Jordan Walker now Lance and
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  Speaker 1: the way he's going about it, I'll tell you what
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  Speaker 1: he told me and then we'll get into that in
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  Speaker 1: a minute, right Brent Brown told me they reached the
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  Speaker 1: compromise where they're letting them do the things that feel
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  Speaker 1: good to him and natural. But with the data, they
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  Speaker 1: put his hands in a little different spot and he's
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  Speaker 1: seeing the ball better. And what do you seeing, Lence,
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  Speaker 1: because he does he also got confident. Now he got
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  Speaker 1: his confidence back, and he does look completely different.
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  Speaker 4: What are you seeing Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean confidence is huge, right when you slow it
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  Speaker 3: down and you look at what he's doing. He was
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  Speaker 3: chasing out of the zone, he was in where's my hands,
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  Speaker 3: where's my feet? What kind of angles am I trying
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  Speaker 3: to get at? When you're doing all those things and
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  Speaker 3: trying to figure all those things out in the box,
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  Speaker 3: it's hard to hit major league pitching. And then you're
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  Speaker 3: either in between on pitches or you know, you you
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  Speaker 3: don't even really have a plan what you're doing because
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  Speaker 3: you're worried about other things that should have already been
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  Speaker 3: done before he got in the box. So I think
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  Speaker 3: the main thing that everyone's starting to see is all
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  Speaker 3: the work that's been put in is finally slowing down
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  Speaker 3: the game in the box. And for a guy that's
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  Speaker 3: talented as he is and you know, had the first
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  Speaker 3: year they had, and now he's able to incorporate all
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  Speaker 3: the negatives that he had and make them positives because
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  Speaker 3: the game's slowing down. He's in a good place mechanically
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  Speaker 3: with his swing and his process. And I think that
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  Speaker 3: was the main thing, right, is have some urgency and
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  Speaker 3: do the things you need to do in between at bats,
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  Speaker 3: in between games and prep wise, and I think he's
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  Speaker 3: found his happy medium. Instead of trying everything that everyone
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  Speaker 3: wants him to try, he's finally simplified as, these are
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  Speaker 3: the things I like to do, these are the things
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  Speaker 3: I'm good at, and then how I can incorporate the
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  Speaker 3: other things a little bit to make myself stay in
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  Speaker 3: a good spot and keep that routine where it needs
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  Speaker 3: to be so day in and day out he can
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  Speaker 3: have success instead of always trying new things. I think
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  Speaker 3: the last two years we've seen a guy that's literally
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  Speaker 3: just been trying new things at times and then would
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  Speaker 3: backpedal because it wasn't working and it was like, all right,
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  Speaker 3: I'm going back to the old way, and then you
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  Speaker 3: just get lost. So he's found a way to slow
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  Speaker 3: the game down, be confident, and that's huge for any player.
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  Speaker 1: And his whole thing is keeping simple. And when he
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  Speaker 1: was struggling, people were like, hey, what's going on? After
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  Speaker 1: a while, you don't know what to say. Right, He's
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  Speaker 1: twenty three years old, Jordan Walker, nice kid, you guys
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  Speaker 1: know it. He's a really nice guy. And now all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden he's red hot, and the hotter he gets,
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  Speaker 1: the more people want to ask him, Hey, what's looking
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  Speaker 1: for you, Hey, how did you get yourself back on track?
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  Speaker 1: And the thing is, and he told me this, as
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  Speaker 1: nice as he is, he wants to avoid giving the
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  Speaker 1: same answer over and over and try and explain details
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  Speaker 1: because he's trying to keep it simple. So I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to ask you, guys, have you ever been in a
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  Speaker 1: bad spot or a really good spot where you didn't
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  Speaker 1: really want to explain it to the media so you
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  Speaker 1: avoid him? Now with Lance, he's scared him, not me,
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  Speaker 1: but he scared the other media, so he just wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: answer whatever was asked and make them feel scared so
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  Speaker 1: they'd go away. But Kyle, have you ever been in
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  Speaker 1: a situation where you found something and he didn't really
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  Speaker 1: want to talk a lot about it and put it
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  Speaker 1: out there? How did you handle that as a play.
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  Speaker 2: As a picture? It could be a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: scattering report stuff and a little bit of approach that
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  Speaker 2: you really don't want to give away. You know, there
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  Speaker 2: was a time in twenty twenty three, and then actually
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  Speaker 2: it carried into twenty twenty four. You know, when I
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  Speaker 2: first started throwing my cutter to lefties, it really changed
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  Speaker 2: how I approached lefties, and I threw it in a
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  Speaker 2: lot to lefties. And then there was a time in
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty three where those balls that they were hitting
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  Speaker 2: were just loopers over the second basement's head. They weren't
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  Speaker 2: hard hit, but it was eighty miles an hour and
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  Speaker 2: the perfect launch angle for hits. Well, I didn't really
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  Speaker 2: tell anybody, but I just decided, Okay, I'm not throwing
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  Speaker 2: this inside the lefties anymore. I'm only going to throw
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  Speaker 2: it down in the way or on the outer column.
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  Speaker 2: They're hitting round balls to second base in first base,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to take my chances. That's not really something
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  Speaker 2: that I'm going to broadcast out there as an adjustment
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  Speaker 2: to get lefties out. If it's something delivery wise where yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I felt like my left side was doing this.
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  Speaker 2: I changed, you know, my spot on the rubber stuff.
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  Speaker 2: That was easy to see. I had no problem talking
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  Speaker 2: about it. But I'm also a talker. I'm also I
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  Speaker 2: don't mind sharing. I don't mind getting into the weeds
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  Speaker 2: in the delivery and some of the geeky stuff about baseball.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe that's just not how Walker is. You know, he
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  Speaker 2: is definitely a little bit of a quieter guy at times,
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  Speaker 2: and he probably just wants to go play baseball, and
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  Speaker 2: he's given the answer a few times, he probably thinks
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  Speaker 2: to himself, why don't you go read the article that
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  Speaker 2: somebody wrote two weeks ago, And he probably feels like
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  Speaker 2: he might not be doing that much different from when
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  Speaker 2: he first came into the league. So it's like I
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  Speaker 2: just maybe adjusted back to who I was. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it's sometimes it's a whole lot easier fixed than the
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  Speaker 2: media wants to make it out to be, because you
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  Speaker 2: really want this big answer on what he's doing different.
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  Speaker 2: If it's one small thing, it probably really isn't that
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  Speaker 2: big of a deal to make it.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Lance, you had a different relationship with the media
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  Speaker 1: than than Kyle. Kyle was generally polite, had a good
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  Speaker 1: back and forth, and you were too, except you scared
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  Speaker 1: a lot of.
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  Speaker 2: Them when you were. Except when you were you were.
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  Speaker 1: And then there were times like we'd try to try
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  Speaker 1: to ask Lance about a certain pitch whatever, and he
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  Speaker 1: would just say, I throw fastballs. Tell me what your
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  Speaker 1: mindset was. When there was something you didn't want to
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  Speaker 1: talk about or he didn't feel like it was anyone
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  Speaker 1: else's business.
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  Speaker 3: That's when you just say whatever you want to say
• 9:46
  Speaker 3: and do you know, just kind of make it your
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  Speaker 3: own thing. So my big thing with the media was
• 9:51
  Speaker 3: when you when they would make a statement and then
• 9:53
  Speaker 3: they expected you to elaborate on their statement or what
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  Speaker 3: they thought they saw, and I was like, well, and
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  Speaker 3: obviously that's your opinion and that was it.
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  Speaker 4: Or if you give me a yes or no question,
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  Speaker 4: you were going to get a yes or no and
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  Speaker 4: that was it.
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  Speaker 3: I was not going to go into further details. So
• 10:09
  Speaker 3: when you are finding success, sometimes there's a lot of
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  Speaker 3: different ways. Right you could have maybe said, hey, I
• 10:17
  Speaker 3: was trying something that someone wanted me to do and
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  Speaker 3: I stopped doing that and now I'm back to being successful.
• 10:22
  Speaker 3: So you don't want to throw anybody under the bus.
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  Speaker 3: Or it's hey, I've done this and this, and hey,
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  Speaker 3: I'm having success. But if a picture knows what you're
• 10:32
  Speaker 3: trying to accomplish and something like that, then they can
• 10:34
  Speaker 3: maybe understand your brain and game planning for you a
• 10:38
  Speaker 3: little bit. So you've got to be careful with the
• 10:40
  Speaker 3: things that you put out in the media. And I
• 10:41
  Speaker 3: think that's the hard part, right, it's like, oh, the
• 10:44
  Speaker 3: fans should know what you're doing and this and that.
• 10:46
  Speaker 3: It's like, no, because if they know, the opponent knows,
• 10:49
  Speaker 3: and then the opponent could have an edge up on me.
• 10:50
  Speaker 3: So that was my big thing, is I'm not giving
• 10:54
  Speaker 3: the opponent anything to use against me, whether whatever it
• 10:58
  Speaker 3: may be. And that was I think Walk could be
• 11:01
  Speaker 3: in the same thing. He could be saying, well, I'm
• 11:03
  Speaker 3: doing this, this and this and this is what I'm
• 11:05
  Speaker 3: looking for on these sides of the plate, and then
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  Speaker 3: I'm just not expanding because I'm just not trying to
• 11:10
  Speaker 3: cover that side of the plate. And then a pitcher
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  Speaker 3: knows that, then they can exploit it. So it's like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: I'm comfortable with where I'm at. I'm back to being simple.
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  Speaker 3: The simple thing is is I've got my process, My
• 11:21
  Speaker 3: hands and my foot are down where they need to be,
• 11:23
  Speaker 3: and I'm just trying to catch my pitch in a
• 11:25
  Speaker 3: certain spot of the plate and I'm doing that right now,
• 11:29
  Speaker 3: and I don't want them to know that that's what
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  Speaker 3: I'm looking for, this is what I'm trying to do,
• 11:32
  Speaker 3: because then they can try to have a plan against me.
• 11:34
  Speaker 3: So you got to watch what you put out there too.
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  Speaker 3: So he's got to and you understand that as a player.
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: So Lance was good at a lot of things as
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: a major leaguer, but he was the greatest ever at
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: the quick answer and then look away. So if he
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: was given a yes no question, he would say yes
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  Speaker 1: and immediately look away, and the media guy wouldn't know
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  Speaker 1: what to do.
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  Speaker 1: He came as a catcher, right, there's some problem and
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think it that whole weekend, how
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  Speaker 2: that played into how Wilson played is exactly Wilson. He
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: when he played against his brother, he was just as
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  Speaker 2: intense as when he played against anybody else. You know,
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: he saw him just get hit again the other day
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  Speaker 2: by Brandon Woodruff, and you know his brother is standing
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  Speaker 2: right behind him, and he knows that when he said,
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: if I get hit again, I'm coming after somebody. He
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: knows that his brother's gonna be chasing him down and
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  Speaker 2: that he doesn't care. Right, he is an intense player
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  Speaker 2: and he wants to punish the team that he's playing against.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I think in the box, I would guess
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  Speaker 2: that it was probably nothing against Andrea. By looking at him,
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  Speaker 2: I think he probably knows that Andre is not trying
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  Speaker 2: to hit it. I think, if anything, it's just Wilson
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: can be an intimidating presence. You see how he approaches
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  Speaker 2: each of bat and you know that he can do
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  Speaker 2: damage on any pitch. And if he can get just
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: a slight bit of doubt into Andre's mind that if
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: this pitch gets away, Wilson might be coming after me.
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  Speaker 2: If he just can get the pitcher to think that
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  Speaker 2: a little bit, I think it's an advantage to Wilson.
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  Speaker 2: So I wish I'm nothing but the best. I think
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: he's I think he's a good teammate. I think he
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  Speaker 2: plays really hard, and you know, he's gonna be fun
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  Speaker 2: to watch him for the Red Sox. Thankfully he's not
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: in the National League. Went to seehim a whole lot.
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  Speaker 1: So when I think of Lance guys that maybe hated
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  Speaker 1: them when they're on other teams, but once they become
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  Speaker 1: a teammate, you love them, I would say there's a fan,
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  Speaker 1: maybe Wilson trass, maybe a lance Lynn, who's on your
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: list of guys that maybe you don't love when they're
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: playing against you, but once you're in your clubhouse, you.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: Really like him a lot.
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think Lackie was one of those
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: guys too, right, And then uh, I'm thinking aj Perzinski
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: was definitely one of those guys that you're like, oh man,
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: that guy's so I mean, they're out there, right. And
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: you look at Wilson. Wilson's in that category where it's
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: like he's just a pest, uh like pest and he
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: and he always seems to like want to have the
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: big hit and he's not afraid of anything. So you
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: have guys like that all the time. And then with
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: with Adrian or with Plante, I think I think that
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: was just a hey, you know what, you know, I
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: can whoop you, so you be careful in there, And
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: that was just that was just his way of saying,
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: you know better, And it was more of an intimidation
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: factor than anything I don't think he meant, and it
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: was I know I can intimidate dre is what is
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: what he was trying to do. And it's kind of
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: funny to be honest when you see it and then
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: you're you're talking about it now. So but I loved
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: Wilson as a teammate. He was always wanting to win,
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: and he was always bringing it every day. And you
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: love those guys. And then those are the guys that
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: also piss you off on the other side when you're
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: playing against him. But hey, it's part of the game
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: and that's the beauty of it.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: So Drey had a rough one against the Red Sox.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: The starter rotation have been pretty good. A couple of
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: bumps in the road. I'm not sure you know where
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: they are right now. But the bullpen, which I thought
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: would be a strong suit, has really had some issues
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: for the Cardinals. And one of the guys I think
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: he came out of nowhere, Swanson has era. He's like fifteen.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Last year he had a sub two ERA and was
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: lights out. And there's a guy who in the miners
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: was a bullpen guy, used to leverage situations and I
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: thought he's money in the bank. Now it's early, he
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: has plenty of time to correct it. But Kyle, just
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: your thoughts on Swanson. Are you surprised too to see
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: the troubles that he's happened.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: I think I'm just a surprised as I am with
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: your Internet, you know, I mean, I think your Internet
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: sigma right now is not going great, fairly fairly similar.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: But I don't think we can judge your Internet just
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: based on today's show. So I think I would say
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: the same about Sponson. I think everybody is pretty confident
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: with who he is out of the bullpen, and I
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: think you keep giving them the ball, you keep you
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: keep having him, you know, stick to his process if
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: you think his process is right, and you believe that
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: he's going to be you know, in three weeks he
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: could be down to a seven, and then in three
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: more weeks he's down to a four, and now all
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: of a sudden, you forget all about it, and then
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: you can look over the last six weeks and this
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: is what he's been doing so early on in the
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: year pitching and hitting. Everybody's stats can be inflamed really
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: high or sink really low just based on a few
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: games here there. So I think Andre went from a
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: one and a half to whatever he went to, right,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: it happens in one game early on. So as much
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: as I would love to judge your Internet based on
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: today's show, I'm going to withhold doing that and we'll
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: hope that next time it's going to be better.
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: Baseball's like internet.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Some days good so good, but we're here. My last
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: thing for Lance and then I'm going to call up
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: the jam because we got to solid program and let's
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: not tempt fake. But let's looking at the bullpen.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: I did think like.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: With O'Reilly whose lights out right? JoJo's having a great season.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Swanson was great last year. I think he'll be good again.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: I thought the bullpen they've tinkered with it, little Ben
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: would be a strong suit. Are you still on board
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: that the bullpen can be a strong suit for the
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: ball club?
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely. They've got guys with stuff down there.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: I think you're starting to see some of the younger
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: guys that had success last year. You're seeing the league
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: kind of catch up to them. I guess from last
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: year a little bit too. So now it's going to
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: be what your what's your counter back to kind of
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: being able to make sure certain things work in your
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: favor like they did last year. So though, the hard
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: part with bullpens or relievers is you know, year in and
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: year out, you can have you know, your good years
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: and your bad years. I think last year you're looking
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: at a guy who came in did really well. There
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: wasn't a whole lot of books on this, and that
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: you know right now, whether he's getting himself in behind
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: accounts or when he does miss, he's missing middle.
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: So it's a little bit of in between right now.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: Execution's not there with them having eyes on you for
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: you know, a longer period of time now from last year.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: So it's going to be, Hey, he's a young pitcher
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: in the league still, so how's he going to counter
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: what hitters are doing against him? And some of it
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: is bad luck at times too, So you got to
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: make sure you keep him on board, see what's working,
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: what's not working, what worked last year, why it worked,
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: and then what are the things you can do to
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: you know, keep hitters off certain things and get yourself
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: in your accounts that you need. So and that comes
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: with you know what, seeing what they're trying to do
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: against you and what's uh, you know, what's going wrong.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: So with Dusty and the group there and Julio and
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: the bullpen, they'll be able to write that ship because
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: of the stuff. Right now, it's just making sure he
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: understands and keeps confidence in his stuff and using it
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: where he needs to on certain sides of the plate
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: to make hitters stay honest, and that comes with, you know,
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: being out there.
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: And doing it.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: And you know, we're gonna have some ups and downs
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: this year with pitching because of how young it is
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: and hitting, so this is part of it.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: Hopefully there's a quick.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: Fix and then you can get back to doing what
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: he's doing it and it might just be getting in
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: better counts. It's as simple as strike one to get
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: yourself in situation sometimes. So you know, we'll see what
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: they have in store for him to be able to
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: kind of get back to what we saw last year.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Point well, taking gentlemen, thanks for battling through, and that's
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: going to do it for this edition of Cardinal Territory.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: We'll see you next time on the next episode and
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: hopefully my internet won't suck.