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NFL Star's Murder: A Police Cover-Up? · Under the Docs

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  Speaker 1: If it was over money, if it was over jealousy,
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  Speaker 1: it was just over a crazy chick that didn't want
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  Speaker 1: him to leave.
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  Speaker 2: Under the dogs, Yeah, under the docks. Very would break
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  Speaker 3: Could they erase all the shots they can, like.
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  Speaker 2: The dogs under the docks, Under the docks, Yeah, under
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  Speaker 2: the docks, under the dogs.
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  Speaker 3: Oh boy, ladies.
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  Speaker 4: This is under the Docks with Paranoid American and Sean
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  Speaker 4: Chris Mainstream mondays, where we charted through the treacherous waves
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  Speaker 4: Don't forget to like, subscribe and share the show. Let's
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  Speaker 4: get into a little bit more of this flusball true crime.
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  Speaker 1: And uh also a very annoyed sounding nine to one
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  Speaker 1: one operator.
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  Speaker 4: This film is Untold. The Murder of Air McNair a
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  Speaker 4: twenty twenty four film directed by Rodney Lucas and Taylor
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  Speaker 4: Alexander Ward. This film follows NFL great Hall of Famer
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  Speaker 4: Air McNair Steve McNair, who played for the Tennessee Titans,
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  Speaker 4: and his spoiler alert death. Like a lot of people
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  Speaker 4: knew about this. I knew that he died, but this
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  Speaker 4: kind of gave much more details that I did not
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  Speaker 4: know about the case. And if you don't know about well,
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  Speaker 4: Steve McNair, they kind of like this again, these kind
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  Speaker 4: of ones get me. I'm biased because then you know,
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  Speaker 4: it gets my football side of it because it shows
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  Speaker 4: you some clips from the games and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 4: So going in just letting everybody know I am biased
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  Speaker 4: on this film plotting the course. This documentary follows the
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  Speaker 4: case of Steve McNair, the July fourth passing away in
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  Speaker 4: two thousand and nine, which first was believed to be
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  Speaker 4: a suicide. A lot of people were like, oh, he
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  Speaker 4: took his own life. He shot himself in a hotel room.
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  Speaker 4: The guy went from having everything on top of the
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  Speaker 4: world to now, hey, everything sucks, I'm not playing football
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  Speaker 4: no more. Some people believed there was the CTE effect, right,
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  Speaker 4: there is a big thing that where a lot of
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  Speaker 4: these football players over time getting head trauma. They get
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  Speaker 4: this ce you know, cet or however you pronounce it.
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  Speaker 4: I'm probably butchering it all this head trauma giving them
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  Speaker 4: that now they've committed suicide. This happened to Junior Seau
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  Speaker 4: and a couple other players like that. So it kind
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  Speaker 4: of leads off and shows you his career, the underdog
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  Speaker 4: right his whole life, he's the underdog, and you know,
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  Speaker 4: he not supposed to be in the NFL, makes it
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  Speaker 4: to the NFL, makes it to the Super Bowl, gets
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  Speaker 4: so close, is like one yard away from winning the
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  Speaker 4: whole thing. It's like pretty much a metaphor within itself, right,
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  Speaker 4: the football metaphor is every inch, every yard counts, and
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  Speaker 4: they were right there. So it catapults you right away
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  Speaker 4: and shows you his career and how great he was,
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  Speaker 4: and then it starts dabbing into the rest of the story.
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  Speaker 1: I would say that this one's kind of sports documentary first,
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  Speaker 1: and then they sprinkle in a little true crime on
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  Speaker 1: top of it, and it's like, here's all these clips,
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  Speaker 1: Here's how great this guy was at football. Here's a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of his teammates and his coach talking about how
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  Speaker 1: great he was at football. Own by the way he
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  Speaker 1: died towards kind of like the end there, and that's
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  Speaker 1: kind of the premise. And also, this is getting a
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  Speaker 1: little bit into the beginning of when I stopped caring
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  Speaker 1: as much about sports Ball because I was living in
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  Speaker 1: Tennessee at the time when the Titans had just come out.
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  Speaker 1: This is a pre Super Bowl, and even the vibe
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  Speaker 1: in the town was kind of just like, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's cool, we got like our own football team now.
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  Speaker 5: But there's not really a lot else going on. Not
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  Speaker 5: a lot of.
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  Speaker 1: People seem to have crazy confidence in it. It was just
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  Speaker 1: kind of like a cool novel thing, and it was
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  Speaker 1: wild that they actually make it to the super Bowl
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  Speaker 1: the first year that they exist. Although a little asterisk there,
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  Speaker 1: it's not like they just came out of nowhere. They
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  Speaker 1: just was rebranded and moved from being the Houston Oilers,
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  Speaker 1: and that was like, that was when I cared about
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  Speaker 1: football a little bit, and that was like Warren Moon
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  Speaker 1: era Houston Oilers, right, But they moved they become the
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  Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans.
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  Speaker 5: And then the Titans go to.
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  Speaker 1: The Super Bowl and Nicknair becomes an instant celebrity because
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  Speaker 1: he's kind of seen as the one that gets them there.
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  Speaker 5: He's a QB that does it all right.
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  Speaker 1: He's like a big guy that can take the ball,
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  Speaker 1: he can charge up the line, he can kind of
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  Speaker 1: like make decisions on the fly and kind of was
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  Speaker 1: like an all in one. So the fact that even
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  Speaker 1: though they lose by one yard, it doesn't matter to
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  Speaker 1: anybody because they're like, we didn't even we didn't belong
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  Speaker 1: in the super Bowl to begin with, and the fact
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  Speaker 1: that we almost won the super Bowl by one yard
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  Speaker 1: at like one second to go, it just shows that
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  Speaker 1: how much potential they had and the entire the entire
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  Speaker 1: state essentially treated them as if they did win the
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  Speaker 1: Super Bowl. So he went from the highest the highs,
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  Speaker 1: and I didn't really follow his career the tens of
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  Speaker 1: Titans at all after that, right, But it turns out
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  Speaker 1: that ten years ago by and at one point he retires,
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  Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, the mental aspect and the physical aspect,
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  Speaker 1: and he was describing how mentally he wanted to keep playing,
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  Speaker 1: but that physically he knew that he couldn't keep playing.
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  Speaker 1: And then I guess bad business investments and just not
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  Speaker 1: a whole lot else going on that was great, And
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  Speaker 1: so when he dies, it kind of gets written off
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  Speaker 1: as just an expectation at some point, like another failed
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  Speaker 1: the football player.
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  Speaker 5: That just kind of but then.
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  Speaker 1: It turns into multiple conspiracy theories, right, And I think
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  Speaker 1: that that's where that's the reason we're talking about it
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  Speaker 1: is because of all the different conspiracies that splinter out
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  Speaker 1: of this.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and then you come to find out like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: this guy because you see on the outspecks and this
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  Speaker 4: happens everywhere, not just in sports, but you have this
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  Speaker 4: brand of a family man, tough guy, you know, helping
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  Speaker 4: with communities. So you're like, Okay, he just must have
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  Speaker 4: lost everything and tried his best and from all the
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  Speaker 4: head trauma and from bad business investments, he just took
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  Speaker 4: his own life. But then you start to unravel this
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  Speaker 4: thing of like, yeah, I guess he met this girl
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  Speaker 4: that was a waitress. I believe it was a David
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  Speaker 4: Busters at right, a twenty year old young chick that
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  Speaker 4: obviously could see like, hey, this is a famous person.
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  Speaker 4: This is somebody that I know who he is, and
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  Speaker 4: she attaches to him and they begin a relationship that
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  Speaker 4: at first is not even is not put out to
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  Speaker 4: the public, like a lot of people are not privy
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  Speaker 4: to this information. This is where pre TikTok sluthers, right,
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  Speaker 4: the sluthors would have been all over this. We would
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  Speaker 4: have seen them been like, oh, we know this girl,
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  Speaker 4: We've seen her at Davidbusters. They weren't. This is pre them,
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  Speaker 4: so people were just kind of speculating what happened. We
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  Speaker 4: seen them around with this girl, they were shopping, and
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  Speaker 4: it turns out that he was bankrolling a lot of
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  Speaker 4: her stuff.
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  Speaker 5: He was bankrolling her stuff. It becomes serious enough that
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  Speaker 5: I don't.
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  Speaker 1: Know how official get and this is pre TikTok and
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  Speaker 1: Instagram and all this, but it's not pre MySpace. So
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  Speaker 1: my Space is kind of the flavor of the day,
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of the information that we seem to
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  Speaker 1: even get out of McNair. And the relationship with this
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  Speaker 1: girl is through the girl's ex boyfriend and the ex
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  Speaker 1: boy It was such an interesting dynamic. I've never seen
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  Speaker 1: this particular thing play out in a documentary before. But
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  Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, man, you know, she's like the love
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  Speaker 1: of my life. I'm still not over her, Like I
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  Speaker 1: loved her. Here's pictures of us, like, you know, they're
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  Speaker 1: all like cuddling up on my Space. And he's like,
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  Speaker 1: and then I find out that she's going out with
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  Speaker 1: my favorite football player of all time.
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  Speaker 5: And I can't even watch.
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  Speaker 1: Titans games anymore because I go to watch a Titans
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  Speaker 1: game and it's just a reminder that the love of
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  Speaker 1: my life is storm on my favorite football player, Like
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  Speaker 1: what can I do about this? And he even ends
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  Speaker 1: up becoming a person of like attention for the police,
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  Speaker 1: right they're bringing him in for interviews and it's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: she broke your heart, huh, breaking enough to want to
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  Speaker 1: kill her, you know, like he becomes a person's submission.
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  Speaker 1: So and the way that the documentary plays out, it
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  Speaker 1: shows you, Okay, here's his best friend that they had
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  Speaker 1: a business together but it went south and maybe he
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  Speaker 1: was like siphoning money out. He's one candidate that might
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  Speaker 1: be a suspect. Then here's the scorned boyfriend that bite me.
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  Speaker 1: Another candidate. Here's an ex girlfriend, maybe she's a candidate.
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  Speaker 1: Here's a gangster that sold the gun to the girl
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  Speaker 1: that was found dead along Steve McNair.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe his one of the suspects.
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  Speaker 1: So then it starts kind of going through like let's
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  Speaker 1: look into each of these angles, and we're talking to
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  Speaker 1: the police and the investigators about what they're thinking, and
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  Speaker 1: essentially I think maybe this is a spoil alert, but
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  Speaker 1: like what they determine is that the girl shoots McNair,
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  Speaker 1: and then the girl shoots herself. So it was a
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  Speaker 1: murder suicide with the twenty year old girl that was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the ex girlfriend of this guy that was like,
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  Speaker 1: she broke my heart, man, like the David Buster is
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  Speaker 1: my girlfriend.
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  Speaker 5: She was the one that did it all along.
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  Speaker 1: But then at the end they're like, oh, but what
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  Speaker 1: if it was the best friend after all? What if
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  Speaker 1: the gangster what if he had the gangster have the
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  Speaker 1: girl like set all this up. They just kind of
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  Speaker 1: leave it at that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they couldn't get into any more details. But I
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  Speaker 4: personally going through this whole thing, I'm saying, Okay, I
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  Speaker 4: hit what you're saying, like murder suicide. It sounds good
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  Speaker 4: as far as uh, laying it all out. Okay, she's
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  Speaker 4: getting cut off, she's like, hey, I don't have nothing
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  Speaker 4: else to live for. But they also go while they're
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  Speaker 4: not talking that she goes back to this ex boyfriend
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  Speaker 4: and they're kind of talking, and then it gets me
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  Speaker 4: to thinking like there's like conspiracy, like real conspiracy to
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  Speaker 4: conspire to kill him, Like, hey, we can get money
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  Speaker 4: out of this, And it's hard for me to like
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  Speaker 4: cause the dude she gets the gun from he kind
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  Speaker 4: of alludes to like, yeah, you know, like it wasn't
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  Speaker 4: a big deal, but I was there, you know, like
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  Speaker 4: I don't really know what she was gonna do, but
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  Speaker 4: you can tell that he was in on it somehow,
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  Speaker 4: Like he doesn't allude to it, but the way he's
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  Speaker 4: talking like he knew there was like money involved and
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  Speaker 4: like they were gonna get something. He knew he was
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  Speaker 4: giving the gun for a reason, not for her protection,
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  Speaker 4: because they did try to make it seem like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: he's jealous type and this, and then you unfold that
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  Speaker 4: the girl gets arrested and and a duhy and he
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  Speaker 4: saves her from that, and that it starts to becoming this,
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  Speaker 4: Oh he's just bailing her out of situations and he's
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  Speaker 4: taking it's his little like twenty year old piece where
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  Speaker 4: he's like, I just screwed her here now and then
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  Speaker 4: and give her a little money, and that's coming to
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  Speaker 4: an end. And I think, in my opinion that the boyfriend,
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  Speaker 4: the ex boyfriend, and her had some kind of understanding
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  Speaker 4: of like let's get money out of him, and then
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what goes from there, right, like something
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  Speaker 4: went south. The gangster had something to do with it.
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  Speaker 4: But again, like you said, they don't go in any further,
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  Speaker 4: So you're kind of stuck like maybe it was him,
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  Speaker 4: maybe it was who done it? Right, you're just pointing fingers,
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  Speaker 4: So it kind of leaves out a cliffhanger.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and the whole reason they're talking to this gangster
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  Speaker 1: guy is because they trace the gun to him. They
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  Speaker 1: find out like, okay, he bought the gun, it was
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  Speaker 1: registered to him, but then it ends up in this
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  Speaker 1: girl's hands. So he's like, yeah, I sold some girl
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  Speaker 1: a gun off of Craigslist or whatever. Right, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what she was gonna do with it. And the
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  Speaker 1: cops talk to him for all of seven minutes, and
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  Speaker 1: they're like okay, this truck's out, and they go back
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  Speaker 1: to the precinct. And then later on someone's like, how
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  Speaker 1: long did you talk to this guy? Did you do
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  Speaker 1: like background check on him? So they do a background
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  Speaker 1: check and they find that he's a felon that had
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  Speaker 1: done like an attempted murder a couple of time, like
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  Speaker 1: armed murder a couple times. So then they're like, all right,
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  Speaker 1: let's go and talk to this guy again. They subpoena's
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  Speaker 1: phone records, they bring him in for an interrogation, and
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  Speaker 1: then they find out, Oh, this wasn't just a quick
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  Speaker 1: little Craigslist like gun sale. Here they are talking to
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  Speaker 1: each other for like weeks on end, at like multiple
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  Speaker 1: times per day, like they knew each other way more
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  Speaker 1: than either of them let on. But the case had
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  Speaker 1: already quote unquote been solved, right, they had already put
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  Speaker 1: everything into the girl did it and then she killed herself,
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  Speaker 1: So that one's buttoned up, we can move on to
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  Speaker 1: the next case. And I think that, combined with the
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  Speaker 1: fact that Steve McNair was maybe no longer like a
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  Speaker 1: crazy celebrity millionaire he had retired at this point, that
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  Speaker 1: there wasn't there was a lot of resources. The other
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  Speaker 1: theory was that his best friend aka bodyguard, which is
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  Speaker 1: a little bit weird how this like comes up, but
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  Speaker 1: that they started a business together and that the business
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  Speaker 1: McNair found out that his friend had stolen thirteen thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 1: And the guy even says in the documentary He's like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to kill my best friend over thirteen
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars. So again, like you get all these little
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  Speaker 1: breadcrumbs of maybe the boyfriend did it, maybe the gangster
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  Speaker 1: did it, maybe his best friend did it, and then
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  Speaker 1: the credits roll.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah it's over, and you're like, you're like, I guess
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  Speaker 4: I have to wait for part two. That's the only way.
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  Speaker 4: So it makes part two. And they even get into
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  Speaker 4: like the text messages like the day of of where
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  Speaker 4: they're like I love you, I love you too, baby,
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  Speaker 4: and then it kind of like goes like hey, a
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  Speaker 4: little bit more stern and not maybe not stress filled,
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  Speaker 4: but like kind of like yeah, I'm going to the store,
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to go this, and then he dies, so
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  Speaker 4: I'm with you. It just leaves me at a point
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  Speaker 4: where I'm like, I don't know what to think. Now
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  Speaker 4: I have to make my own decision on who i've
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  Speaker 4: who done it. And that can go either way because
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  Speaker 4: there is compelling cases to go for each of these characters,
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  Speaker 4: right like the ex boyfriend, You're like, he murdered McNair,
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  Speaker 4: his favorite player because he was sleeping with his love
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  Speaker 4: of his life.
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  Speaker 5: You got to get that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that guy could have been the killer.
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  Speaker 4: I think, if anything, because he he was adoring the girl.
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  Speaker 4: But I'm saying, then you have the ex business best
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  Speaker 4: friend bodyguard that you know money was launder that guy,
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  Speaker 4: and then you got the gangster guy who I think
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  Speaker 4: was probably more likely involved, because they also allude to
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  Speaker 4: him having some kind of relationship with Jenny right like
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  Speaker 4: they were texting back and forth. They didn't go into detail,
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  Speaker 4: but they obviously had some prior engagements. And I feel
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  Speaker 4: bad for the one ex boyfriend because it sounds like
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  Speaker 4: the girl that he loves was kind of a whore
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  Speaker 4: and that she was.
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  Speaker 1: Kind, she didn't care at all about him, but he's like,
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  Speaker 1: she was the love of my life.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like one of your buddies where they're just drinking.
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  Speaker 4: You're like, dude, you fell in love. You try to
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  Speaker 4: make a hoe into a housewife. Stop it, man, it's
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  Speaker 4: not going well for you. But that's got to be
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  Speaker 4: the ultimate kicker for me though, Like you know that
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  Speaker 4: there's girls that are like, Oh, I'm going to fuck
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  Speaker 4: your brother or your best friend, and it's like, Oh,
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna find your favorite football player and I'm gonna
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  Speaker 4: ruin football for you forever. I thought that was a
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  Speaker 4: level of spie I have not seen yet.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: If it was as targeted because they said that this
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  Speaker 1: David Busters was frequented by a lot of the players
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  Speaker 1: and her just working there eventually just kind of came
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  Speaker 1: And here's the other part too, is that the friend
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  Speaker 1: the one theory.
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  Speaker 5: That I thought that they were trying to pace out.
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  Speaker 1: But I also looked at the time, because this one
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  Speaker 1: is under an hour, right, it's like fifty eight minutes,
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  Speaker 1: and they start bringing out all these alternate theories, and
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  Speaker 1: my eye glanced down, is like, how much time we
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  Speaker 1: have left on this thing?
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  Speaker 5: That this isn't long.
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  Speaker 1: They bring this out around like forty five minutes in,
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  Speaker 1: so you're like, there's no way they're going to wrap
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  Speaker 1: all these different theories that are coming up in like
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  Speaker 1: five or ten minutes. But one of the theories that
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  Speaker 1: it feels like they were implying is that the best
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  Speaker 1: friend gets caught embezzling thirteen grand and maybe he knows
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  Speaker 1: that there's already some kind of friction going on between
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  Speaker 1: the girl and this gangster guy, so maybe like a
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  Speaker 1: facilitation happens.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: They don't come out and say that, but it's almost
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  Speaker 1: like this guy, just every single person in his sphere
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  Speaker 1: was just trying to like leech off of this dude.
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  Speaker 1: They were just all trying to get money out of
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  Speaker 1: him or get something from him, and he just kept
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: backing away and removing himself more and more until a
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: point where someone.
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: Got mad about it.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: Like the one objective truth is that McNair was murdered, right,
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: We just don't know if it was over money, if
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: it was over jealousy, it was just over a crazy
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: chick that didn't want him to leave.
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: And the conspiracy that like kind of starts breeding through
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: this film is like how he's found, right, He's found
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: like twelve hours later by his friend. The guy takes
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: a little bit of time to call the police. It's
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: not clear of when he exactly found the body when
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: he called nine one one. So I think when those
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: things happened, whether it be that human nature and maybe
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: you just don't call, and maybe there is some truth
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: to like people freaking out or whatever it may be,
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: but it breeds conspiracy when you're like, yeah, you didn't
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: call right away, you know what I mean, I chilled
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: there for a little bit. So that I think some
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: of that blends into this where they're like something fout
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: play sounds like it was at hand when you're the
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: guy that finds him and then it takes a little
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: bit of time for you to call nine one one,
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: Hidden Treasures and overboard moments. Let's see what you got first.
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: I want to see what you got.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: So I said that this one feels more like a
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: sports documentary, like eighty percent sports, maybe twenty percent true crime.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: And I think legit the hidden Treasure. Legitimately, just seeing
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: clips and highlights of McNair and the Titans rise onto
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: that Super Bowl, it felt like I was rewatching like
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Rudy or you know, like like any other inspirational even
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: to the point. Except in the movies usually they make
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: that touchdown at the very end, like they would have
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: been just on the line and then they would have
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: won the game, and like the credits pit are old
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: in this version, he didn't quite make it, but man,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: like what a wild ride like. It actually made me
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: care about sports ball for a good like half hour
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: when I was watching all these different clips and it
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: was like, yeah, man, this guy, like I didn't really
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: click with the McNair. I didn't really even know his
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: air McNair. That was not a familiar name to me.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: Now I'll remember that. And he legitimately was a great
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: football player. Got no idea if he was like the
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: good old Christian best friend buddy that you know.
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: Usually the portrayal is they don't really.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Get into whether or not he was a good guy,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: which I think is totally fine, right, Like he was
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: a great football player and then he got murdered and
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: that's the only reason we're even hearing about this case
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: to begin with is just because of how good of
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: a football player what he was. So the hidden treasure
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: is probably just the football segment, like the sports doc aspect.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would agree, like just seeing him come from
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: a nowhere college, right, a small speck. It's not one
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: of these huge universities. It's like the good story of
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: where like hey, the ragtag team and he came from
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: nothing and created like, you know, a big career. And
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: some of it also highlights the unfortunateness of these pro
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: athletes where they don't get this lavish life that you
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: think after the sport, Right, some do, but it depends
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: on how you invest, and there's a lot of bad
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: investments and if you don't, you have a small window
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: of making millions. And I think it's good for people
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: to watch something like this where they can see it's
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: not as easy as you think, as you know, like oh,
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: they make millions of dollars, they make millions of dollars,
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: their taxed heavy, and then there's a lot of hands
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: out like hey, let's start this business. Hey I need this.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: And I think that this film highlights some of that
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: stuff where people, oh think that because you're this former athlete,
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: that you may have a lot of money and you
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: may not. Right. The real truth is that bridges were burned,
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: bad decisions were made, and I only have a few
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: thousand dollars in the bank if I'm lucky. I think
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: some of the overboard moments for me is just making
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: all these claims and kind of like giving me a
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: list of suspects and saying but not giving me any
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: clear information where you're like, it could have been this guy,
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: it could have been this guy. Like they're just kind
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: of dangling the carrot and keeping it going at that point.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: And I guess overboard a little bit too, is that
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: we're watching this documentary. At the very beginning, the pacing's
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: pretty decent, Like within ten minutes, you know who all
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: the different characters and the suspects are, you know that
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: there's been a murder, You kind of know what the
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: basic plot points are, and then it goes back into Okay,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: here's the football part, and they don't get back to
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: the murder again until thirty six minutes in, so there's
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: like fifteen minutes left to do the rest of it,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: so you kind of get the impression that it's gonna
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: be a little bit rushed. And I do have one
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: other hidden treasure, I guess, and that was that they
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: were showing how McNair was known as the toughest guy
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: in the NFL, or the toughest quarterback, and they're talking
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: about how this guy would would literally break bones and
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: break fingers and would keep playing, and they actually show
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: footage of him on the field and he's, you know,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: like you're sitting down on the bench and you just
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: see one of his fingers is just completely ninety degrees
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: bent to the corner and he's still playing the damn games.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: So I mean that that is like movie worthy. I
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: feel like there could be a pretty dope like McNair
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: legit documentary slash movie where a dude is just playing
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: with broken fingers the whole time. That's legit hardcore, Like
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: I don't I can't think of many other sports ball
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: players that love the game so much that they actually
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: do that, and to see that he's struggling with having
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: to retire even though he doesn't want to, but he
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: realizes he can and keep playing. That was that was
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: a pretty impactful moment to actually see that he had
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: to make that really hard decision. And it's kind of
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: a tragedy, right, like how everything ends up turning out
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: for this guy.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: It is that time once again, sink or swim.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Don't hate me, man, I'm gonna give this one a sink.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: And let me just say why, Because I've seen episodes
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: of forty eight Hours that were a little bit better
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: than this one. They kind of tack the whole true
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: crime at the end. If you want to watch a
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Steve McNair documentary, you might like this one. You care
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: about the true crime, you don't really get. You get
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: a bunch of accusations and conspiracies, the kind of kind
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: of like like trail you along, but you don't actually
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: get conclusion any of those. And I also feel that
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: I can summarize this entire documentary so quickly and you won't, like,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: you won't even have to watch it. Right, star football
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: player get it's murdered by crazy chick. That's it like that.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, even if there was a conspiracy theory here,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: it's either that or maybe he got gunned down by
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Chick's ex boyfriend because of reasons or whatever. But none
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: of this is necessarily something where I'm like, I can't
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: believe that exists in this world, in this reality. You know,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: are you telling me that sports ballplayers are getting murdered
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: by gangsters and crazy girlfriends.
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: That's that's insane, Like, I.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Don't know, it doesn't it doesn't change how I see
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: the world in any way. So it was an entertaining watch.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: It was nice and short. I appreciate the Titans and
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Steve McNair now, but outside of that, the rest of
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: it was just like I saw a true crime TV episode,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: not necessarily a documentary.
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: Let me preface this with I think I would suggest
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: people to watch this film, but I also put my
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: bias aside and do give this a set myself, because
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: I think it's great in one aspect of like the
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: reason I would tell us want to watch because if
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: you love sports and you love true crimes, it's the
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: best of both worlds. Except it's so many like loose ends,
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: and it's really, like you said, you summed it up
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: very well. A crazy girl kills former NFL player. It's
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: not a grand conspiracy. It's not like they're actually like, oh,
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: the bodyguard slash partner hired this guy. There's no evidence,
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: there's no new proof. It's just that typical. Hey, crazy
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: twenty year old was dating a thirty six year old
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: retired NFL player, and the NFL player was seeing her
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: as a mistress. She wanted more than that, I think,
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: and wanted more of him because she's at that young
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: age and she's like, this guy could take care of me.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: This guy can fulfill my future, not realizing that he's
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: broke and has nothing. It's just a common story. I
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: loved all the highlights, you know, gives me the nostalgia
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: as you alluded to. It's a fun watch, I definitely
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: would suggest. But if I have to be fair and
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: take my bias away, I got to give it a sink.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: It doesn't give you any new information. It's not a
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: true conspi. It's not even a true epic true crime, right,
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: and a true crime there's like, oh my god, I've
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: never heard of a murder like this. This is kind
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: of common unfortunately, where somebody's just like, Okay, this is
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: ending I'm killing you than killing myself. I mean, we
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: could go to Phil Hartman. Right, there's a lot of
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: indie's sphere, whether sports or actor or musician, that this
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: love story ends badly.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: And and plus this is such a typical instance of
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: something that happens. The only reason that we even hear
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: about it is because it was Steve McNair. And it's
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: a little bit crazy again that even at his level,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: even at his level of fame and success, that the
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: cops are still just interviewing some gangster for seven minutes
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: and being like, yeah, I think whatever he said checks out.
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: Case closed.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: So and even with a documentary that's like, hey cops,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: you might have overlooked this, Hey cops, that you look
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: into these angles. In my mind, I'm thinking like, it's
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: but it's possible that there was a conspiracy and the
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: gangster and the friend and maybe even the ex boyfriend. Maybe,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: But the cops already did their job. This one's already
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: in the books. It doesn't sound that there's any incentive
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: for anyone to revisit this case, and the documentary doesn't
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: necessarily do that either. They're not like, well, we're gonna
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: do what the cops didn't do. Look at all this information,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: all this research that we dug up. You know, clearly
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: this is worth looking at. It didn't do any of that,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: So it was just kind of like an outside observer snapshot.
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