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UK Column News - 18th July 2025 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon.
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Speaker 2: It's Friday, the eleventh of July twenty twenty five, just
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Speaker 2: after one o'clock. Welcome to the UK Colin News. I'm
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Speaker 2: your host Mike Robinson. Mike co hosts and this should
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Speaker 2: do today is Patrick Henningson. Welcome to the program. Patrick,
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Speaker 2: great to be with you, Mike. Journalist Mark Anderson joins
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Speaker 2: us by video link from the United States. NI we're
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Speaker 2: going to get kicked off today with a bit more
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Speaker 2: news on Palestine Action. But thanks subsequent to the prescription.
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Speaker 3: Yes, Mike, there's been a whole raft of arrests right
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Speaker 3: across the country. We'll bring the BBC, of course, we'll
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Speaker 3: start off with the illustrious BBC. Or right here on
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Speaker 3: screen here man charged under the terrorism MAC two thousand
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Speaker 3: over a Palestine Action poster which is in his window.
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Speaker 3: This is a thirty eight year old man from Glasgow.
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Speaker 3: And so if we move on, this particular story is
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Speaker 3: even more or egregious. Here armed police threatened to arrest
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Speaker 3: Kent protester for holding a Palestinian flag. And what's amazing
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Speaker 3: about this, Mike, is there the police were claiming that
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Speaker 3: slogans like free Gaza and Israel's genocide are quote supportive
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Speaker 3: or deemed to be support statements supportive of Palestine Action.
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Speaker 3: So you might have views and you might not support
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Speaker 3: the organization, but they could translate that into your views
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Speaker 3: are similar to that of Palestine Action. Therefore you can't
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Speaker 3: express these views publicly. I mean, it's just pretty incredible.
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Speaker 3: And so many cases like this we could do two
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Speaker 3: hour special just going case by case, the amount of
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Speaker 3: arrests and things like that. So let's just take a
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Speaker 3: look at the legislation here. This is a Terrorism Act
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Speaker 3: two thousand and the key sections here at section thirteen
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Speaker 3: this is brandishing the logo, you could say, showing visual
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Speaker 3: support for the organization, the proscribed terrorist organization in this case.
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Speaker 3: And then section twelve slightly different here, Mike, this is
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Speaker 3: providing what is deemed to be material support for a
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Speaker 3: proscribed organization. So you know Palstein Action as an example here,
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Speaker 3: showing saying you endorse them, praising them publicly, that's deemed
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Speaker 3: to be you know, a level of support that's prohibited
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Speaker 3: under the Terrorism Act UK. So, as you can imagine,
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Speaker 3: this is a total nightmare. It's completely arbitrarily applied. Nobody
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Speaker 3: really knows. The police. Some people have accused. The police
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Speaker 3: are just kind of interpreting it as they go, so
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Speaker 3: it's created a whole mess basically. Now there's one video
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Speaker 3: which appeared on social media that's absolutely incredible. This gentleman
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Speaker 3: went into the police station to surrender himself. He was
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Speaker 3: injured as well, nursing in a bad back, getting ready
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Speaker 3: for you know, surgery or something like that, so totally incapacitated.
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Speaker 3: And this is a classic video that's kind of have
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Speaker 3: gone viral. Watch this scene.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're supporting the prescribed terrorist organization and I want
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Speaker 4: to go through the courts and that's it.
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Speaker 1: Nothing else.
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Speaker 4: So I put it in writing and I put it
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Speaker 4: on my social media that I have support past that accent,
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Speaker 4: and I don't think that's that accent as a terrorist organization. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 4: the law has said that they are, and I don't
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Speaker 4: agree with that, and I'm quite happy. Basically we're taken
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Speaker 4: to court and see what happens. That's it. I don't
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Speaker 4: have anything against the police, and you know, because I
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Speaker 4: love you guys, but I've got to do this because
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Speaker 4: if we don't do this, then, as far as I'm saying,
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Speaker 4: this law may come into effect and no one's going
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Speaker 4: to do anything about That's it nothing else? Yeah, Yeah,
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Speaker 4: we spent hours and hours together.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it is.
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Speaker 6: So as we've not got wrong one quar uncle one.
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Speaker 7: With you as a suspect for that offensive Section twelve,
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Speaker 7: Section thirteen for the terrorist mats.
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Speaker 8: Okay, but we know who you are and there's certainly
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Speaker 8: no code US arrest.
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Speaker 6: We're not going to be arresting you. Thank you, okay, Okay.
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Speaker 8: The reason is, I don't know if you understand what
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Speaker 8: coding is your system.
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Speaker 4: We've arrest in other events.
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Speaker 6: He has to be have certain conditions.
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Speaker 3: One of those conditions is if you don't have annual
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Speaker 3: dressed with the rest is obviously he.
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Speaker 6: Has given another time you don't know who you are.
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Speaker 6: Other conditions quite a huge if you don't mean your
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Speaker 6: hot conditions at the moment.
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Speaker 5: So they've all been in chronicle praise as you as
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Speaker 5: a suspics on the system and.
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Speaker 6: You'll be quite a stage.
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Speaker 3: Later to popular side destroy your head. Do you understand
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Speaker 3: you're that.
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Speaker 6: Would be the section thirty not SECU twelve.
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Speaker 3: Okay, so as you can see that resting them or
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Speaker 3: they said it would be under section thirteen, right, although
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Speaker 3: he's not really in Finally of the things that are
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Speaker 3: under Section thirteen. As we showed just previously showing the
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Speaker 3: image and so forth. It just so happens. Mike, we
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Speaker 3: have that gentleman on the live link right now. Let's
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Speaker 3: bring him up on screen. Ladies and gentlemen. This is
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Speaker 3: Hussein Hawes CHAFFII and he is based in London. This
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Speaker 3: is the gentleman that we just saw in that video
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Speaker 3: who voluntarily surrendered himself into the police station. I'm not
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Speaker 3: sure which branch that was, if that was a special
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Speaker 3: branch for that type of who investigate that type of
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Speaker 3: crime or cover that end of the law. But I'll
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Speaker 3: call you. It's okay if I call you a Hawes
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Speaker 3: who said, yeah, so fine, Hawes. I mean absolutely incredible.
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Speaker 3: Obviously you're very public about what you did. You really
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Speaker 3: even gave, you know, advanced notice that you're going to
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Speaker 3: do this, and so just explain to us, you know
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Speaker 3: what happened here, tell us what happened, how it happened,
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Speaker 3: and and why you did what you did.
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Speaker 6: So the first thing that happened was that two minutes
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Speaker 6: past twelve o'clock on the fifth of July, an organization
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Speaker 6: which is a direct intervention sort of group like Palestine
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Speaker 6: Action was prescribed a terrorist organization, putting in the same
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Speaker 6: league as ISIS and al Qaeda, which it directly isn't.
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Speaker 6: It's nowhere near the same equivalent. And I felt, as
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Speaker 6: a British citizen, I can't sit by and watch this.
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Speaker 6: So I made a declaration on video that I am
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Speaker 6: a supporter of Palistine Action, but to qualify that, I've
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Speaker 6: never been on an operation, I've never funded them, I've
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Speaker 6: never supported them materially, but I do support their right
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Speaker 6: to directly get involved. And because of that I felt
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Speaker 6: as and I am a British politician as well, I
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Speaker 6: felt it's not right for me to just sit there
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Speaker 6: and watch this group effectively trying to shield the children
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Speaker 6: of Gaza from being targeted. And the best way for
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Speaker 6: me to do that is to target the law itself.
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Speaker 6: And the best way you can target this law is
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Speaker 6: to ask for the courts to decide. Because we've got
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Speaker 6: a long tradition of civil disobedience in Britain and that
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Speaker 6: civil disobedience has got a result the Suffragettes, you know,
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Speaker 6: the poll tax. Gay rights basically, a lot of people
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Speaker 6: don't understand that to be gay many years ago had
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Speaker 6: a sentence of death. But laws change and civil disobedience
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Speaker 6: the way is the way to do it. So that's
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Speaker 6: why I decided to do. And I thought there's nothing
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Speaker 6: better than walking up to New Scotland Yard, which is
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Speaker 6: where I went to first of all, to say I'd
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Speaker 6: like to be arrested because I am a person that
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Speaker 6: supports Palestine, which has been prescribed a terist organization. And
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Speaker 6: it was quite funny really. They looked at me and said,
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Speaker 6: you've come to the wrong place. Go away, not interested.
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Speaker 6: Can't arrest you. This is an operational headquarters for the police.
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Speaker 6: And so after saying I support a Palistine action, which
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Speaker 6: is a terrorist action, I was told to go away.
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Speaker 6: I've got a fractured back, which means I can't stand
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Speaker 6: up for long. So I ended up sitting outside of
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Speaker 6: Scotland Yard waiting to rest my backup to be able
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Speaker 6: to move to the next place, because they said to me,
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Speaker 6: we can't arrest you here. You've got to get a
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Speaker 6: Charing Cross that's the nearest police station. And the funny
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Speaker 6: thing is two police officers saw me sitting outside of
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Speaker 6: New Scotland Yard and walked up and said what's going
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Speaker 6: on here? And I said this, It turns on and goes,
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Speaker 6: can you please arrest this man? I siest her because
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Speaker 6: the police officer just looked at me and went because
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Speaker 6: I'm in a zero gravity chair lying down as you
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Speaker 6: can see in that video, because I can't stand up
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Speaker 6: for them.
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Speaker 1: And a police officers looked at me and said, nah,
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Speaker 1: we're not arresting you. Go away.
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Speaker 6: And my solicitor, don't you haven't even heard what he's
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Speaker 6: done wrong. Don't you want to hear it now? I'm
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Speaker 6: not interested jog on over long? And I was told
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Speaker 6: to go to charing Cross, and that incident you've seen
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Speaker 6: was at charing Cross where I said what I said,
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Speaker 6: which is I declare myself as a supporter of Parson
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Speaker 6: and Action. And the police turned around and said, well,
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Speaker 6: thank you for coming in. You can leave because we
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Speaker 6: know who you are and someone will be in touch.
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Speaker 6: And someone was in touch in the evening and it
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Speaker 6: was the anti terrorism squad from Hammersmith who saw me.
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Speaker 6: We had an interview for about forty five minutes and
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Speaker 6: I asked them if they're going to arrest me in
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Speaker 6: charing Cross. They said no, And for the fourth time
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Speaker 6: of the day, I asked them if they're going to
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Speaker 6: arrest me under the terror anti terrorism laws. At Hammersmith
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Speaker 6: they also declined and kicked me out of Hammersmith police session.
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Speaker 6: They said, you're trying too hard to get arrested, mister Sheffie.
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Speaker 4: Go home.
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Speaker 6: So I left and that was that was the interactions
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Speaker 6: with the police, and I'm grateful to the police who
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Speaker 6: were very careful about my well being. They recognized the
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Speaker 6: fact that I am very unwell and they treated me
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Speaker 6: with absolute courtesy. There was no levels of aggression which
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Speaker 6: is sometimes seen by some police officers or my interactions
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Speaker 6: with the police in taring Cross police station.
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Speaker 1: I forgot to say.
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Speaker 6: The two people that were there to arrest me were
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Speaker 6: actually the same two people who were looking after me
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Speaker 6: on the twenty seventh of March when I got hit
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Speaker 6: by a car. Just thirty three thousand police officers and
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Speaker 6: the whole of the Metropolitan area and I end up
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Speaker 6: with the same two police officers who happened to look
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Speaker 6: after me and who were part of my escort for
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Speaker 6: the day. Because I nearly died on the twenty seventh
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Speaker 6: of March. And when that happens, the police sent two
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Speaker 6: officers to basically document the evidence of you dying or
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Speaker 6: living and these two police officers.
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Speaker 1: That's why we were laughing.
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Speaker 6: It's like, yeah, of course I know them because I
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Speaker 6: fed them, I gave them to you, or I didn't.
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Speaker 6: My family who were there looking after me ended up
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Speaker 6: buying sandwiches, forum cakes, tease coffees, because even of the day,
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Speaker 6: they're human, same as us, you know. And anyway, I've
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Speaker 6: spoken too much. Let's talk about other things.
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Speaker 3: Well, let me just bring on your tweet here. We'll
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Speaker 3: bring this up on screen. A basteal day to remember,
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Speaker 3: or how I tried to get arrested and failed spectacularly,
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Speaker 3: and you go through this, and what's also interesting here
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Speaker 3: is the statement which you posted publicly. This is a
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Speaker 3: statement that you gave to the police house. We've got
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Speaker 3: that up on screen. People can screenshot if they like,
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Speaker 3: so that's a matter of public record. You've also tweeted
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Speaker 3: this out at the time, and it's quite extraordinary here,
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Speaker 3: and you really lay out your legal challenge in a way.
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Speaker 3: But this is really a civil liberties statement if anything.
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Speaker 3: And the part of this hase and when we get
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Speaker 3: your comment on this that is just extraordinary is the
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Speaker 3: last paragraph of the first page.
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Speaker 1: It says.
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Speaker 3: In the court case of Our versus Jones two thousand
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Speaker 3: and three, the Appeals Court examined actions taken by activists
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Speaker 3: at the Fairford Air Base to hinder Britain's involvement in
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Speaker 3: the Iraq War, and none other than Keir Starmer himself
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Speaker 3: defended those actions back in two thousand and three, arguing
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Speaker 3: in court that breaking the law to prevent war crimes
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Speaker 3: is not only lawful but also morally justified. That is
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Speaker 3: just an extraordinary bit of uh irony there, Haws. But
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Speaker 3: to tell us more about you know, what is the
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Speaker 3: core of the core thing that you're you're after here,
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Speaker 3: Like what do you want to see happen in the end.
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Speaker 6: So I've done what I've done out of sense of
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Speaker 6: what I think is right or wrong. And people need
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Speaker 6: to do things when they believe what they're doing is righteous.
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Speaker 6: And I definitely believe that what I'm doing, which is
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Speaker 6: standing up for the right of people to demonstrate the
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Speaker 6: right of people to stop murder. And it is absolute
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Speaker 6: murder that's taking place in Gaza. It's not two.
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Speaker 1: Sides, it's one sided.
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Speaker 6: And I look upon the actions of Palestine Action as
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Speaker 6: people who are stopping building drones that make the sound
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Speaker 6: of babies to get people to come to a crying
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Speaker 6: baby and then get shot in their head. Two days ago,
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Speaker 6: a drone that is made by Elbert System put a
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Speaker 6: bullet in the head of a four year old child.
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Speaker 6: So it is absolutely incumbent of every single person with
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Speaker 6: a moral compass and anyone who is quite happy to
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Speaker 6: die on the hill. And this is a hill that
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Speaker 6: I'm willing to die on go to prison for to
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Speaker 6: do what they think is right. It is blatantly obvious,
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Speaker 6: as by case law in the past, that to stop
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Speaker 6: the war crimes, to stop genocide, you should do it.
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Speaker 6: And I am not a legal expert. I didn't choose
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Speaker 6: this line and thought of going forward. But I am
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Speaker 6: a brit and I am a great believer in my country,
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Speaker 6: and I love the rules and regulations and the balance
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Speaker 6: of power that we have in our country, where the
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Speaker 6: laws are there to protect the citizens, and it is
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Speaker 6: our right enshrine in twelve fifteen June twelve fifteen the
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Speaker 6: Magna Carta that says that we are going to be
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Speaker 6: judged by a jury of our peers, so that no king,
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Speaker 6: no crown, no baron, no one can deny me my rights,
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Speaker 6: and I'm looking at it as a situation where I'm
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Speaker 6: quite happy to say that I am committing the crime.
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Speaker 6: I then want to be judged by a jury of
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Speaker 6: my peers, and a jury of my peers will decide
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Speaker 6: if I'm guilty or not. And I'll leave that judgment
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Speaker 6: to any brit to decide whether they believe what's happening
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Speaker 6: in Gaza is acceptable or not, and whether they want
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Speaker 6: to see this continuation of arms flowing direct from here
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Speaker 6: to Israel. And more important than just the arms, it's
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Speaker 6: the actual political cover that's given to Israel that normalizes genocide.
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Speaker 6: The fact that our prime minister, who believes that it
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Speaker 6: is morally justified and lawful, as he has defended to
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Speaker 6: stop war crimes, is now the main cheerleader after the
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Speaker 6: American State for the wars, that the war on the
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Speaker 6: children of Gaza. So that's where I am at. And
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Speaker 6: as I said, I'm not a legal expert, but I
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Speaker 6: am a passionate human being that does not like what
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Speaker 6: I see happening in my country. We are literally being
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Speaker 6: sleepwalked into tyranny. That's what's happening here because Palestine action today,
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Speaker 6: Who's going to be next to morrow, who's going to
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Speaker 6: be the next person that wants to stand up for
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Speaker 6: something that can get prescribed. And if we make life
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Speaker 6: easy for these people the government to do these things,
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Speaker 6: then they will definitely take advantage of this situation to
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Speaker 6: shield whatever interests they want. It just so happens to
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Speaker 6: be the state of Israel and what they're doing to people.
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Speaker 6: And I'm not happy with what my country is doing.
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Speaker 6: I'm not happy with Britain going down this line where
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Speaker 6: we are effectively co opted and complicit in the in
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Speaker 6: the in the in the in the death of children
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Speaker 6: in Gaza. What I will say to you is this,
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Speaker 6: quite simply, the DNA fingerprint of every kid and woman
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Speaker 6: and ld person killed in Gaza holds the DNA of
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Speaker 6: Donald Trump, Biden before him, Sunak Starmer, David Lammy, David Cameron.
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Speaker 6: These are the six people who are and obviously the
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Speaker 6: American versions of Marco Rubio and Anthony Blincoln. These people
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Speaker 6: are the ones who've normalized this channel side and it
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Speaker 6: it's the British public and stand up now today and
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Speaker 6: do the right thing and make sure that this does
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Speaker 6: not quietly go into the night with authoritarian laws brought
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Speaker 6: in to shop people from talking. There's the end of
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Speaker 6: British society. We just have to accept the norm that
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Speaker 6: they put in front of us. We might as well
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Speaker 6: not bother being Englishmen anymore. We might as well just
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Speaker 6: become slaves to the system. Has We're just about at
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Speaker 6: a time. But I'd just like to get a very.
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Speaker 2: Quick comment from you on this, because this issue of
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Speaker 2: juries is absolutely vital that people get to grips with.
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Speaker 2: And of course we've got this program led by Lord
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Speaker 2: Levison to remove juries from war and war degrees of
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Speaker 2: criminal court cass conduct. And you know what you're effectively
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Speaker 2: doing here is relying on the part of the jury
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Speaker 2: to an all bad law.
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Speaker 1: In this case.
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Speaker 2: And this is a core constitutional principle that most people
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Speaker 2: aren't aware of. And I just wanted to get a
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Speaker 2: final thought from you on that because it is fundamental,
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Speaker 2: as you said, are liberties.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: I mean to be absolutely clear, The day that juries
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Speaker 6: are no longer required for cases is the day that
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Speaker 6: British law ends up becoming a Third World organized a country.
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Speaker 6: We will become the repressive regime from somewhere else that
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Speaker 6: is not Britain. We are the home of democracy for
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Speaker 6: the majority of the world. If you take into account
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Speaker 6: the United States of America, Canada, India, Australia, New Zealand,
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Speaker 6: almost all the Commonwealth countries. All of these have at
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Speaker 6: the bottom at the heart of all this something called
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Speaker 6: the English common law, and part of an English common law,
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Speaker 6: and it's enshrined in law in a bill in sixteen
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Speaker 6: eighty nine. The Bill of Rights is the right to
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Speaker 6: a jury. Just because they've got a backlog of sixty
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Speaker 6: seven thousand cases for crown courts, it doesn't give you
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Speaker 6: the right to go and get rid of juries. What
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Speaker 6: it means is you need to invest in a much
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Speaker 6: larger judiciary. You need to create a lot more courts.
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Speaker 6: You need to have a lot more judges. You need
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Speaker 6: to increase the footprint to deal with the crown prosecution cases.
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Speaker 6: What you shouldn't be doing is taking a history that
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Speaker 6: we have now spread to the whole world of jury
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Speaker 6: to put it in a bin now because it's inconvenient.
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Speaker 6: Because you know as well as I do, Patrick, that
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Speaker 6: there are laws in place for criminal damage. You don't
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Speaker 6: need to go and create anti terrorism laws. If you
19:46
Speaker 6: smash up something, there's a law for that already. You
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Speaker 6: don't need to turn it into a terror law. So
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Speaker 6: that's the situation we're in. This is an overreach by
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Speaker 6: the government and it needs to be put in the bin.
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Speaker 6: And that's what and that's why I'm doing what I'm doing.
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Speaker 6: I'm trying to fight for what I think is right
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Speaker 6: for British people more than anything else. If it wasn't
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Speaker 6: palistine action, it was something else, I'd still be jumping
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Speaker 6: up down the throat of this government because this is
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Speaker 6: a problem here. They're trying to change the way things
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Speaker 6: are done so they can have an easier life than
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Speaker 6: the one they've got at the moment where we've got
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Speaker 6: juries to defend and protect us. They cannot and must
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Speaker 6: not be allowed to take out the jury's system. It's
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Speaker 6: been here since June twelve fifteen. You can't take eight
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Speaker 6: hundred years and put it in the bin because it
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Speaker 6: now doesn't suit you.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And having heard that explanation, Rick, thank you Hawes.
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Speaker 3: I can see that Hawes's protest is much bigger than
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Speaker 3: any one group that's been proscribed this as a constitutional
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Speaker 3: protest on principle. Has Hussein has Shafii, thank you so
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Speaker 3: much for joining us on UK. Colin, We'll hopefully follow
20:59
Speaker 3: up and cant knew this discussion in the future. But
21:02
Speaker 3: thank you so much for sharing your story with us.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you so much. Right, that
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Speaker 1: is brilliant.
21:09
Speaker 2: Let's move on then, and well, the other news from
21:13
Speaker 2: yesterday was this the German UK German treaty and Keir
21:18
Speaker 2: Starmer met German Chancellor Friedrich Mertz in dining Street yesterday
21:24
Speaker 2: following the signing of a new German UK Germany bilateral
21:27
Speaker 2: treaty described as the first of its kind. But it
21:31
Speaker 2: isn't really the first of his kind, is it, Patrick?
21:33
Speaker 2: At least such a suggestion as semantic, really, isn't it.
21:37
Speaker 3: Oh, there was previous packs between Germany in Britain, Mike,
21:42
Speaker 3: And we only have to look at this illustrious celebration here.
21:47
Speaker 3: This is Nevill Chamberlain returning to Britain with a document
21:51
Speaker 3: in hand after the nineteen thirty eight Munich Agreement. Peace
21:55
Speaker 3: in our time, and that was about joining forces with Germany.
21:59
Speaker 3: And we have to tip our hats to a great
22:02
Speaker 3: historian and a journalist. His name is Kit Clarenburg and
22:06
Speaker 3: he published this not so long ago, Mike. On May fourth,
22:09
Speaker 3: the Anglo Nazi Global Empire. That almost was a little
22:13
Speaker 3: piece of history that's been swept under the rug. Let's
22:17
Speaker 3: take a look at the details of this. How deep
22:19
Speaker 3: did this go? Well, take a look basically from Britain's perspective.
22:23
Speaker 3: The Munich agreement was intended to be just the start
22:26
Speaker 3: of a wider process that would culminate in a quote
22:29
Speaker 3: listen to this world political partnership end of quote between
22:33
Speaker 3: London and Berlin. Two months prior, the Federation of British
22:37
Speaker 3: Industries known as the Confederation of British Industry today made
22:41
Speaker 3: contact with his German counterpart, the Reich Group Industry, and
22:46
Speaker 3: the two of them eagerly agreed their respective governments would
22:50
Speaker 3: enter into former negotiations on an Anglo Nazi economic integration.
22:55
Speaker 3: How about that for a little bit of history. And
22:57
Speaker 3: then just finally, and this is the depth of it here,
23:00
Speaker 3: the summit went swimmingly and a formal conference in Dusseldorf
23:05
Speaker 3: was then scheduled. Coincidentally, though, however, Mike later that evening
23:09
Speaker 3: in Berlin, something called the krichtol Nach erupted. This is
23:13
Speaker 3: one of the most infamous programs in history. But wait,
23:18
Speaker 3: that was no deterrent to continue discussions and meetings between
23:21
Speaker 3: the Nazis and the British at the time they inked
23:24
Speaker 3: in a formal agreement on the creation of an international
23:27
Speaker 3: Anglo Nazi coal cartel. So you can see it was
23:31
Speaker 3: all guns blazing for a German British pact back then
23:36
Speaker 3: in nineteen thirty eight. How about that for pedigree on
23:40
Speaker 3: this issue.
23:41
Speaker 1: Well, let's come closer to the modern time then.
23:43
Speaker 2: Another example of the non uniqueness of this new agreement
23:47
Speaker 2: is the Trinity House Agreement signed last year by John
23:50
Speaker 2: Healey and German Defense Minister Boris Pastorius. Now that it
23:53
Speaker 2: was a different German regime, but nonetheless this brought the
23:57
Speaker 2: two nations closer together than ever before. They said the time.
24:00
Speaker 2: Now that agreement covered more or less the same areas
24:03
Speaker 2: as the news, the current one or the new one.
24:06
Speaker 2: So let's just have a look at these new long
24:08
Speaker 2: range strike weapons that we're talking about, new boost for
24:11
Speaker 2: British industry. And so there's this narrative. I mean, Starmer
24:14
Speaker 2: was elected on the basis of change, but you know
24:17
Speaker 2: this is this was the same there's no change here.
24:19
Speaker 2: New cooperation to strength strength in the eastern flank. This
24:23
Speaker 2: is also in the current agreement Land industrial cooperation protecting
24:28
Speaker 2: critical underwater infrastructure like like the North tri Yes exactly,
24:34
Speaker 2: German planes in Scotland, new drones, new maritime on crewde
24:38
Speaker 2: air system capabilities, new Ukraine support, joint work with partners
24:42
Speaker 2: to integrate air defense systems.
24:44
Speaker 1: And what was this all about.
24:45
Speaker 2: This was all about creating this which is effectively the trifecta,
24:51
Speaker 2: the European level trifecta that is driving European defense. And
24:56
Speaker 2: this was happening even before Trump's election. Is would be
24:59
Speaker 2: the point that I make here. So you know, between
25:01
Speaker 2: Britain and France with the twenty ten Lancaster House Treaty,
25:05
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen Sandhurst Treaties, twenty eighteen Joint Vision Statement, between
25:09
Speaker 2: Britain and Germany, twenty twenty four Trinity House Agreement, and
25:13
Speaker 2: then between Germany and France the twenty nineteen Achen Treaty,
25:17
Speaker 2: and the intent was, as I say, to establish the UK,
25:22
Speaker 2: France and Germany as the main driving force for defense
25:25
Speaker 2: union in Europe, and the European Intervention Initiative is as
25:29
Speaker 2: the broader framework. So if we just look at that,
25:32
Speaker 2: this brings the trifecta there of Germany, France and Britain
25:36
Speaker 2: together with several other European nations to build this network
25:40
Speaker 2: of bilateral agreements which creates this multilateral agreement now. At
25:44
Speaker 2: the time, Ursula vonder Len's predecessor, Jean Claude Junker put
25:51
Speaker 2: it that this patchwork of bilateral defense pacts will serve
25:55
Speaker 2: as a foundation for European defense, with Britain, France and
25:58
Speaker 2: Germany as the core. So that was what was being
26:02
Speaker 2: said at the time, and we shouldn't forget what Defense
26:06
Speaker 2: Minister Earl has said about it. That he signed, he
26:10
Speaker 2: signed in the UK into the European Intervention Initiative. The
26:13
Speaker 2: agreement states EI two intends to contribute to ongoing efforts
26:17
Speaker 2: within the European Union the deepen defense cooperation, notably PESCO,
26:20
Speaker 2: which of course, as we know, is a key part
26:24
Speaker 2: of the European Defense Union. So coming back to the
26:28
Speaker 2: present then and yesterday there was a press conference held.
26:33
Speaker 2: Let's just have a listen to what Keir Starmer had to.
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Speaker 8: Say earlier today we did something genuinely unprecedented, building on
26:44
Speaker 8: a new agreement with the EU. Together we signed the
26:48
Speaker 8: Kensington Treaty, the first ever major bilateral treaty between the
26:54
Speaker 8: United Kingdom and Germany, two great modern European nations. It's
27:00
Speaker 8: an expression of our shared aims and values. But more
27:04
Speaker 8: than that, it's a practical work plan setting out seventeen
27:09
Speaker 8: major projects where we will come together to deliver real
27:13
Speaker 8: results which will improve people's lives. So a historic treaty,
27:18
Speaker 8: a statement of intent and ambition, and we intend to do,
27:23
Speaker 8: amongst other things, as leading NATO powers in Europe, committing
27:28
Speaker 8: not only to our mutual defense but also to maximize
27:32
Speaker 8: the benefits of our defense spending in the shape of
27:35
Speaker 8: more jobs, more growth, and more security.
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Speaker 2: So Patrick, more jobs, more growth, are you saying it's
27:44
Speaker 2: going to improve people's lives? Is only going to improve
27:46
Speaker 2: some people's lives. Is going to improve people that managed
27:48
Speaker 2: to get jobs in the war industry, But what about
27:51
Speaker 2: all the people that are going to have to deal
27:53
Speaker 2: with Well, what are they going to have to deal with?
27:55
Speaker 1: Because somehow this has to be paid for?
27:57
Speaker 3: Oh, don't shot having you heard they discovered oil and
28:00
Speaker 3: Germany mic it's there's a big desert in the middle
28:03
Speaker 3: of Germany and they discovered all So I guess that's
28:04
Speaker 3: going to pay for it. And they discovered gold in
28:07
Speaker 3: the Netherlands, so don't worry about all that. It's just
28:10
Speaker 3: a formality, Mike. No, it means austerity. It's going to
28:13
Speaker 3: be deficit spending. It's going to be tightening the economy,
28:17
Speaker 3: and it's going to mean austerity for social services, pensions,
28:21
Speaker 3: all sorts of other things that people in Europe require,
28:24
Speaker 3: especially people who are vulnerable. That's all going to be
28:27
Speaker 3: on the chopping block to pay for rearming Europe.
28:30
Speaker 1: That's the plan.
28:31
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, anyway, the question is what's in this treaty. Well,
28:36
Speaker 2: there are seventeen million areas of cooperation, they say. Firstly Ukraine,
28:40
Speaker 2: of course, Ukraine recovery and reconstruction, while Mark was talking
28:43
Speaker 2: about that last week. Next is the Trinity Hugst Defense
28:47
Speaker 2: Agreement that we've talked about, which includes, as we say,
28:51
Speaker 2: lots of on autonomous vehicles, strengthening the Eastern flank and
28:54
Speaker 2: submarine hunting capabilities. And then the real focus strengthening defense,
28:59
Speaker 2: industrial and export cooperation. Another one is Strategic Science and
29:03
Speaker 2: Technology Partnership, which is all about AI and the so
29:06
Speaker 2: called critical tech. So this is war related as well,
29:10
Speaker 2: because of course autonomous vehicles and so on is right at.
29:13
Speaker 1: The heart of this.
29:15
Speaker 2: They single out the Western Balkans for particular focus to
29:17
Speaker 2: support stability and security, and naturally that means the opposite,
29:21
Speaker 2: because that's more or less evidence by the fact, for example,
29:24
Speaker 2: that anywhere conflict and security and stability money goes, it's
29:29
Speaker 2: the conflict which is secured and stabilized, not any kind
29:31
Speaker 2: of peace. Now, China is not specifically mentioned, because they
29:35
Speaker 2: instead wrap that up in the language of Indo Pacific cooperation,
29:40
Speaker 2: strengthening coordination on regional maritime security, they say, and of
29:44
Speaker 2: course that means war with China. Biosecurity naturally is in
29:47
Speaker 2: the list, including preparing for new and re emerging highly
29:52
Speaker 2: pathogenic pathogens and setting up joint exercises and an emergency
29:57
Speaker 2: support system between the UK and Germany. And strategic sustainable
30:01
Speaker 2: development partnership is included to advance the twenty thirty agenda.
30:06
Speaker 2: The rest is more or less just fluff. So there's
30:09
Speaker 2: nothing genuinely unique about this agreement with Germany other than
30:13
Speaker 2: it's another step towards a plan which has really been
30:16
Speaker 2: in motion since nineteen eighty six, and of course we're
30:20
Speaker 2: talking about defense union on that and if you want
30:23
Speaker 2: to understand the timeline since nineteen eighty six, on this.
30:26
Speaker 1: Get onto the.
30:27
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30:31
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30:33
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's going to be I'm looking forward to that obviously.
31:53
Speaker 3: Andrew something we really admire over the years for taking
31:56
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Speaker 3: to be telling his story and talking a lot about
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Speaker 3: civil liberty, freedom of the press, and health freedom. All
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Speaker 2: Super fantastic, Mark, let's come on to you know, and
32:27
Speaker 2: last week you mentioned the Red Pell conference which was
32:30
Speaker 2: taking place over the weekend and you managed to join
32:34
Speaker 2: that virtually.
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Speaker 7: And that is really driven home in this next illustration
34:32
Speaker 7: of the seventeen sustainable and development goals. Number four of
34:37
Speaker 7: those seventeen under Agenda twenty thirty is education, and this
34:42
Speaker 7: slide from Alex Newman explained that a little by twenty thirty,
34:46
Speaker 7: Goal number four ensure that all learners acquire the knowledge
34:50
Speaker 7: and skills needed to promote sustainable development, including, among others,
34:55
Speaker 7: through education for sustainable development and sustainable lifestyles. There's that
34:59
Speaker 7: globe buzzword in globally sustainable human rights, gender equality and
35:05
Speaker 7: so on and so forth, promotion of culture of peace,
35:08
Speaker 7: global citizenship, and so on and so forth along those lines.
35:12
Speaker 7: So Alex really explained very clearly, and this was one
35:16
Speaker 7: of several highlights at the conference, that education is not
35:20
Speaker 7: what you think it is under the Castle Social and
35:25
Speaker 7: Emotional Learning sel rubric there. Now, another presenter was the
35:30
Speaker 7: well known New American writer William F. Jasper, an acquaintance
35:33
Speaker 7: of mine over the years, and he gave a presentation,
35:36
Speaker 7: as this slide indicates, on the brink of a United
35:40
Speaker 7: Nations world government wake up. He's senior editor at the
35:43
Speaker 7: New American. And there's some highlights here that follow. The
35:49
Speaker 7: map that he showed is quite striking, and I happen
35:52
Speaker 7: to have it here. Now when you look at this map,
35:56
Speaker 7: you'll see beg your pardon, you'll see some green circle
36:00
Speaker 7: Those are World Bank projects, and there's all sorts of
36:04
Speaker 7: other indicators on the map symbols. That is International Monetary
36:12
Speaker 7: Fund offices which are all over Africa and Central and
36:15
Speaker 7: South America. And there are United Nations peacekeeping operations significant
36:23
Speaker 7: in Europe and Asia, very heavy in Africa. Again, Africa
36:26
Speaker 7: seems to be a focal point some in the western hemisphere.
36:30
Speaker 1: But what William F.
36:31
Speaker 7: Jasper was basically driving home by showing this map and
36:36
Speaker 7: through his overall presentation was the UN is showing a
36:39
Speaker 7: very broad global presence now in terms of where they
36:43
Speaker 7: have offices, in terms of the diversity of their operations,
36:47
Speaker 7: and in terms of what they're up to. And this
36:49
Speaker 7: next slide is a major focal point that Bill presented
36:53
Speaker 7: on what the UN is up to. And this is
36:54
Speaker 7: a relatively new development, he said, a UN tax on
36:59
Speaker 7: shipping to fund global tyranny. That's the headline of this
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Speaker 7: new American article and it shows the insignia that I
37:06
Speaker 7: inserted there of the International Maritime Organization the IMO, which
37:11
Speaker 7: again is one of the seventeen sustainable development goals of
37:15
Speaker 7: the UN. And that's a carbon based tax in terms
37:20
Speaker 7: of the carbon that shipping would contribute to the atmosphere.
37:24
Speaker 7: The tax would be a way of offsetting that. According
37:27
Speaker 7: to mister Jasper, beg your partner had to pick something up.
37:32
Speaker 7: This one last slide that Bill presented also, I'll call
37:36
Speaker 7: it an allegation. It's interesting though, COUP Director General Tadrose
37:41
Speaker 7: was called an advocate of a terrorist group back in
37:44
Speaker 7: his home state of Ethiopia, according to this news item
37:49
Speaker 7: that I found in the wake of the Red Pill conference.
37:52
Speaker 7: It's an allegation, but according to Bill Jasper, there's a
37:54
Speaker 7: lot of truth to it that Tadrose has a very
37:57
Speaker 7: checkered pass, and of course he's now director General the
38:00
Speaker 7: World Health Organization, who may be enforcing a second public
38:06
Speaker 7: health emergency of international concern if there's another pandemic, and
38:10
Speaker 7: things like that. There are other things. I do have
38:12
Speaker 7: an upcoming article on this latest red Pill conference that'll
38:15
Speaker 7: talk about many other things, the real truth behind the
38:19
Speaker 7: animal rights movement. There's some shocking things there, and things
38:23
Speaker 7: in the high tech world and whatnot. I can talk
38:25
Speaker 7: a little bit more about this in extra however, so
38:29
Speaker 7: for now we'll leave it at that in the interest
38:31
Speaker 7: of time and back to you.
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Speaker 3: Guys, just a quick question mark on this story you
38:36
Speaker 3: said on the New American about UN tax on global shipping.
38:41
Speaker 3: Is that an idea or a proposed idea for a
38:44
Speaker 3: text or is that an actual tax that's currently being
38:47
Speaker 3: levied on shipping by the United Nations.
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Speaker 7: Mister Jasper put it as something imminent, not necessarily fully implemented,
38:58
Speaker 7: but imminent.
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Speaker 3: How would they be able to impose that because the
39:02
Speaker 3: UN doesn't really have legislative or powers of the of
39:07
Speaker 3: taxation against sovereign nation states.
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Speaker 7: Well, according to mister Jasper, the you know, the UN
39:14
Speaker 7: Assembly is something of a legislative body, just like the
39:17
Speaker 7: executive and the World Court is the is the judicial
39:22
Speaker 7: of the executive being the the Security Council. Mister Jasper
39:28
Speaker 7: is saying those powers are quickly being developed and I
39:32
Speaker 7: worked one on a very ongoing basis to develop the
39:36
Speaker 7: ability to do that. So he's he's basically saying it's
39:39
Speaker 7: all but ready to go.
39:41
Speaker 1: And I'll be exploring that more.
39:43
Speaker 7: In an article I'll have coming up on UK column.
39:45
Speaker 7: I'll get to the bottom of that, because that's a
39:47
Speaker 7: very good question, of course, just how much authority do
39:50
Speaker 7: they actually have And that's something to nail down.
39:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, thank you, Mark.
39:57
Speaker 2: Let's come on back to the UK and back sadly
40:00
Speaker 2: onto a sort of war topic, because their All United
40:04
Speaker 2: Services Institute has announced that its Deputy Director General, Malcolm Chalmers,
40:09
Speaker 2: will be leaving after seventeen years.
40:13
Speaker 1: And well, that in itself may.
40:14
Speaker 2: Not seem that interesting, but in fact he is going
40:16
Speaker 2: to join Secretary of State for War John Healey as
40:20
Speaker 2: John Heay's Strategic Defense Advisor. And my question is is
40:24
Speaker 2: that strategic nuclear advisor? I wonder because Chalmers is on
40:29
Speaker 2: record as advocating the use of nuclear weapons against Russia
40:33
Speaker 2: as a live option to force Russian capitulation to NATO
40:37
Speaker 2: on the Ukraine conflict. So in May twenty twenty two,
40:42
Speaker 2: he proposed in Financial Times, also republished on the Rossi
40:47
Speaker 2: website here, that a Cuban missile crisis on steroids with
40:51
Speaker 2: Russia over Ukraine might be the best option to force
40:55
Speaker 2: Russia to capitulate, and he wrote that NATO's flexible Response
40:59
Speaker 2: doctrine during the Cold War planned for first use of
41:03
Speaker 2: nuclear weapons in response to an invasion by superior Russia
41:08
Speaker 2: Russian conventional forces, with the end of stopping the war
41:11
Speaker 2: before too much territory was overrun. If it did come
41:14
Speaker 2: to this, he wrote, operational pressure for preventive attacks on
41:18
Speaker 2: one side and growing public panic on the other would
41:21
Speaker 2: place a premium on leaders taking the right decisions at
41:23
Speaker 2: the right time, and conditions of imperfect information and high emotions.
41:27
Speaker 2: It would feel like the Cuban missile crisis on steroids.
41:31
Speaker 2: Although he did admit in that article that it would
41:33
Speaker 2: be a moment of extreme peril, but he said that
41:36
Speaker 2: a nuclear crisis of this sort could make it easier
41:39
Speaker 2: for leaders to make difficult compromises.
41:41
Speaker 1: So anyway.
41:42
Speaker 2: In marchin this year then he spoke to shasnak Joshi,
41:47
Speaker 2: defense editor at The Economist.
41:49
Speaker 1: Listen, let's have a listen to some of what he said.
41:54
Speaker 8: It was a very serious.
41:55
Speaker 5: But of course you can limit the damage further by
41:57
Speaker 5: what you attack. You don't in a demonstration shot. You
42:01
Speaker 5: probably wouldn't attack a city or somewhere where there's large casualties.
42:04
Speaker 5: You would attack somewhere where the casualties are much more
42:08
Speaker 5: limited than maybe an isolated military base or whatever it
42:10
Speaker 5: might be. The UK can fire a single missile from
42:15
Speaker 5: a submarine. It doesn't have to fire them all at once.
42:18
Speaker 5: They can fire a single missile with a single warhead,
42:21
Speaker 5: so that can be a demonstration shot. Where this I
42:25
Speaker 5: think a difference an argument is whether that submarine could
42:30
Speaker 5: then move more rapidly enough before the Russians or whoever
42:36
Speaker 5: the adversary was could take it out. And I think
42:40
Speaker 5: there's a good argument to be made that, given that
42:44
Speaker 5: this is precisely this sort of thing they role, maybe
42:46
Speaker 5: it's like to be planning for.
42:48
Speaker 8: That, they would be able to do that.
42:52
Speaker 1: Now.
42:52
Speaker 2: I don't know what you think about that, Patrick, but
42:55
Speaker 2: this entire argument seems completely naughty to me. But just
42:58
Speaker 2: to put this in perspective, he was assigned to prepare
43:02
Speaker 2: one of the Ministry of Defense's aspects of the Strategic
43:08
Speaker 2: Defense Review twenty twenty five, and as I say, he's
43:11
Speaker 2: now been called to serve as a strategic advisor to Haley.
43:17
Speaker 1: Where does that leave us?
43:19
Speaker 3: Oh, maybe we should just maybe, theoretically, if we shoot
43:22
Speaker 3: one nuke and send a strong message to the Russians
43:24
Speaker 3: and stop them from taking territory. I think Russians took
43:27
Speaker 3: quite a bit of territory already in Ukraine, so all
43:31
Speaker 3: of that has amounted to not much other than what
43:34
Speaker 3: he's talking about Mike. There's a word for it. It's
43:36
Speaker 3: called mad m A d. Looking up the nuclear doctrine
43:41
Speaker 3: from the Cold War, I mean, do these people read history?
43:44
Speaker 3: They study nuclear strategy in terms of mutually assured destruction.
43:49
Speaker 3: Seems like all of that doesn't apply to these people. Yeah, amazing.
43:55
Speaker 3: What's Trump being up to with Putin? Well that's so,
43:58
Speaker 3: where's the Ukraine conflict that here we are. Let's bring
44:01
Speaker 3: the man himself up on screen. There is the President
44:05
Speaker 3: United States, and basically the message to Putins fifty days
44:09
Speaker 3: or else is giving him a fifty day ultimatum. Trump
44:12
Speaker 3: loves issuing these ultimatum sixty days here, fifty days there,
44:17
Speaker 3: thirty days there. So the last time Trump issued an ultimatum,
44:21
Speaker 3: it was to the Iranians and it was sixty days
44:25
Speaker 3: sixty days. And what happened on the sixty first day
44:29
Speaker 3: during intense final negotiations a sneak attack backed by the
44:33
Speaker 3: United States by the Israelis against Iran, followed by an
44:37
Speaker 3: attack against Iran civilian nuclear power centers and basis, so,
44:43
Speaker 3: what can Russia expect after fifty days? Are they planning
44:46
Speaker 3: another Operation Spider's Web. I'm going to bet you one
44:50
Speaker 3: hundred and ten percent.
44:52
Speaker 1: That's what this is.
44:53
Speaker 3: So there's going to be some kind of a fancy
44:56
Speaker 3: sneak attack to re up Zelenski's mandate as a dictator.
45:00
Speaker 3: Keep the money flowing and new weapons, and guess what
45:03
Speaker 3: that means for defense stocks in Europe. Mike through the
45:07
Speaker 3: Roof through the Roof and the United States as well.
45:09
Speaker 3: Those companies doing very well from this open ended war.
45:12
Speaker 3: The only problem is Mike Ukraine doesn't have an infinite
45:16
Speaker 3: number of soldiers. This is where the West is having
45:19
Speaker 3: some teething issues. They don't know what to do. So
45:22
Speaker 3: Zelensky has announced they're thinking about, if they haven't already,
45:26
Speaker 3: possibly conscripting women. Okay, so that's new. And Sweden getting
45:31
Speaker 3: into the spirit of NATO, they've decided they're going to
45:34
Speaker 3: raise the conscription level for men to the age of
45:38
Speaker 3: wait for it, seventy years old. They want to get
45:41
Speaker 3: more experienced officers. So that's that's the payoff for joining
45:45
Speaker 3: NATO for Sweden and Finland. And I mean we could
45:48
Speaker 3: go on and on. So look, Trump doesn't have any negotiations,
45:53
Speaker 3: there's no deal there. This is going to be chucked
45:55
Speaker 3: up as another failure for Donald Trump. Meanwhile, they're struggling
45:59
Speaker 3: to get paid missile batteries to the Ukrainians. But Russia
46:02
Speaker 3: has moved into the air war phase and this is
46:05
Speaker 3: Russia's forte. I predict, Mike, if we're into the air
46:08
Speaker 3: war phase, you might see an abrupt halt to this
46:11
Speaker 3: conflict in the not so near future. That is my hunch,
46:14
Speaker 3: that's our hope. I'm sure many Ukrainians would like to
46:17
Speaker 3: see that happen as well.
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Speaker 1: Okay, and well where does that take us?
46:22
Speaker 3: Then? Well, on that subject, sorry, we've got to show
46:27
Speaker 3: this really excellent op ed here. And again we're showing
46:31
Speaker 3: you a banned article. If you're in Britain, you're not
46:33
Speaker 3: allowed to read RT dot com. So we thought we'd
46:37
Speaker 3: put this screenshot this dangerous op ed here, which was
46:40
Speaker 3: written by Vitally Riemschen, and it says the Trump's ultimatum
46:46
Speaker 3: isn't an ultimatum and Moscow knows it. In other words,
46:48
Speaker 3: Moscow doesn't really care what Trump says. They know that
46:52
Speaker 3: he has lost the plot. They're just going to move
46:54
Speaker 3: on with their objectives and names.
46:56
Speaker 1: Okay, and let's just bring us up to date with.
47:00
Speaker 3: Well, you saw what happened Earlier this week, Mike and
47:04
Speaker 3: Israel dropped a few bombs on Damascus against Jolani, a
47:09
Speaker 3: surprise for everybody because Juolani just had been previously basically
47:14
Speaker 3: pledging his admiration loyalty to the State of Israel, wanting
47:18
Speaker 3: to normalize relations. So, without going into the details of
47:22
Speaker 3: this very complicated story, what you're seeing there is a
47:25
Speaker 3: lot of staged theater, Okay, but this is an important
47:28
Speaker 3: piece of information everybody needs to understand. This is a
47:31
Speaker 3: great analysis here, and I want to thank Freddy Ponton
47:34
Speaker 3: for supplying this to twenty first century wire. David's Corridor
47:38
Speaker 3: Israel's foothold in the heart of the Arab world. Now,
47:42
Speaker 3: this is a very good breakdown. If you are confused
47:45
Speaker 3: and you don't know exactly what's happening here and why
47:47
Speaker 3: it's happening, check out this article. This is a great
47:50
Speaker 3: piece of analysis here. And as you can see, David's
47:53
Speaker 3: Corridor is that strip of southern Syria that's going to
47:57
Speaker 3: connect the Golden Heights which are occupied by Israel, all
48:00
Speaker 3: the way up to through the Druze held areas and
48:04
Speaker 3: into the Kurdish held areas of northeastern Syria with a
48:08
Speaker 3: straight shot into Iraqi Kurdistan and right at Iran's border
48:11
Speaker 3: here and a great piece of analysis here, and there's
48:14
Speaker 3: a tweet embedded in this that people should pay attention
48:17
Speaker 3: to by a Middle Eastern analyst named Ibrahim Majeed. And
48:21
Speaker 3: let's take a look at that. Let's take a closer
48:23
Speaker 3: look at that tweet. And that's the image there. That
48:27
Speaker 3: is David's corridor. You see the blue part. Will bring
48:31
Speaker 3: a label there, that's David's corridor. Strategically, what you're looking
48:35
Speaker 3: at here is a new Syke's Peako agreement right in
48:38
Speaker 3: front of our eyes. But the difference between this Syke's
48:41
Speaker 3: Peako and the last one is the borders of this
48:44
Speaker 3: are going to be drawn in blood. The US and
48:47
Speaker 3: Israel and Britain and France, the allies of those two countries.
48:51
Speaker 3: They want to redraw the map of the Middle East.
48:54
Speaker 3: And so you're looking at a sectarian bloodbath that is
48:57
Speaker 3: about to kick off. It has already kicked off in
49:00
Speaker 3: Syria as well as Lebanon. And the next will be
49:03
Speaker 3: a rack. And this is the right here. This is
49:05
Speaker 3: what it's all about. We'll bring this entring. It's about
49:08
Speaker 3: preparing the region for the Greater Israel Project. Now that's
49:11
Speaker 3: not going to be occupied by Israelis, but in that
49:14
Speaker 3: red zone client states totally subservient to the United States
49:18
Speaker 3: and Israel. And that's what the Greater Israel Project amounts to.
49:22
Speaker 3: And as you can see, it extends quite a bit.
49:25
Speaker 3: So people need to understand that's a reality. Go to
49:28
Speaker 3: that article at twenty first cent where I watch it,
49:31
Speaker 3: read it and you'll get a lot of answers.
49:33
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you for that, Patrick.
49:35
Speaker 2: Okay, Now let's come back to the UK and censorship
49:38
Speaker 2: and off Commas announced a discussion paper for the next
49:43
Speaker 2: Censorship ran and it's all about how to deal with
49:45
Speaker 2: deep fix. Now this is a second discussion paper on
49:48
Speaker 2: the topic and this time it's going to focus on
49:50
Speaker 2: so called attribution measures, So that includes water marking tools, providence,
49:56
Speaker 2: meta data schemes, AI labels and context on a As
50:00
Speaker 2: they talk about it now, they are saying that these
50:03
Speaker 2: measures are designed in one way or another to attribute
50:07
Speaker 2: certain types of information to a piece of content, for example,
50:10
Speaker 2: information about who created it and when it was created,
50:13
Speaker 2: and in some cases whether the content is accurate or misleading.
50:18
Speaker 2: They say that the sharing of certain types of deep
50:21
Speaker 2: Fix is regulated under the Online Safety Act twenty twenty three.
50:24
Speaker 2: But the day we'll draw on the papers insights to
50:27
Speaker 2: inform their policy development and supervision of regulated services. Now
50:32
Speaker 2: my question is, what are the chances Patrick, in the
50:35
Speaker 2: effort to deal with deep Fix, that real content, which
50:40
Speaker 2: might be.
50:40
Speaker 1: Kind of narrative is labeled.
50:42
Speaker 2: As deep fake or as something similar and we end
50:46
Speaker 2: up with this being a major sort of spoken the
50:49
Speaker 2: censorship wheel.
50:50
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely. And also you can temporarily label something as
50:53
Speaker 3: being deep, vague or disinformation, and it creates enough confusion
50:58
Speaker 3: early on, especially in a in a crisis moment, and
51:02
Speaker 3: that's when if narrative, the narrative is able to be
51:06
Speaker 3: is able to push through because counter narratives are being
51:09
Speaker 3: suppressed using these tools. This is absolutely terrifying what they're
51:14
Speaker 3: planning to do. And it's all going to be automated
51:17
Speaker 3: under AI, right, that's the crazy part about it.
51:20
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
51:21
Speaker 2: Now, one thing that offcom isn't dealing with, and which
51:25
Speaker 2: I for one would consider an online harm is regime
51:29
Speaker 2: led propaganda operations. Now, the UK Column, amongst others, has
51:34
Speaker 2: been highlighting this for years. Let's put that up with
51:38
Speaker 2: our coverage of integrity initiative, also anti Price's Foreign Office
51:43
Speaker 2: kind of disinformation media development program and the success or
51:47
Speaker 2: to the Integrity initiative of the Zinc Network. But we
51:50
Speaker 2: have to say a massive well done the Declassified UK
51:52
Speaker 2: for their littist on the Zinc Network. And they're saying
51:55
Speaker 2: that the UK government is secretly paying foreign YouTube stars
51:59
Speaker 2: to publish propaganda videos. Declassified can reveal a three year
52:03
Speaker 2: investigation has found that online influencers are made to sign
52:09
Speaker 2: legal contracts banning them from disclosing the government's involvement. And
52:13
Speaker 2: they're saying that Wildhall officials give feedback on each video
52:16
Speaker 2: before the influencers are allowed to publish them. The work
52:19
Speaker 2: is coordinated by a London based media agency they point out,
52:22
Speaker 2: called Zinc Network Limited on behalf of the Foreign Office
52:26
Speaker 2: in a deal worth nearly ten million pounds of public money.
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Speaker 1: Well, I thought that's an interesting figure.
52:32
Speaker 2: Let's have a look and see how much zinc Network
52:35
Speaker 2: has received from the Foreign Office. So let's go to
52:37
Speaker 2: the UK columns Foreign and come Wealth and Development Office
52:40
Speaker 2: spending website and that we can see on screen here
52:44
Speaker 2: between September twenty nineteen and June twenty twenty two, Zinc
52:48
Speaker 2: Network received one point four million pounds from FCDO, So
52:53
Speaker 2: then where did the classified get the ten million figure from? Well,
52:56
Speaker 2: this is where care is needed because the FCDO has
53:00
Speaker 2: never been very consistent about how it names the recipients
53:03
Speaker 2: of its money. So actually there's another line item on
53:06
Speaker 2: the website, this time for ZINC Network Limited, covering the
53:10
Speaker 2: period May twenty twenty until January twenty twenty five and
53:14
Speaker 2: financial The total financial support over this period comes to
53:17
Speaker 2: thirty seven point two million pounds. So coming back to
53:21
Speaker 2: the declassified article, then they're saying that in recent years
53:25
Speaker 2: the company has recruited at ZINC Network has recruited hundreds
53:29
Speaker 2: of Internet celebrities for various clients, particularly in Central and
53:32
Speaker 2: Eastern Europe, a key battleground in the information war with Russia.
53:36
Speaker 2: And they say that ZINC staff tried to find quotes,
53:38
Speaker 2: the most reputable sort of the most relatable influencers and
53:42
Speaker 2: ensure that every video feels authentic and crucially, the influencers,
53:46
Speaker 2: as they've said, were instructed to sign non disclosure agreements
53:50
Speaker 2: prior to being told of Foreign Office involvement and as
53:54
Speaker 2: a result, anyone watching these videos would have no idea
53:58
Speaker 2: that been funded off funded and signed off by UK
54:01
Speaker 2: government officials. Now they quote a former employee saying that
54:06
Speaker 2: by targeting younger voters, saying Network's campaign amounted the interference
54:10
Speaker 2: in a sovereign country's internal affairs.
54:13
Speaker 1: Now, look, this is exactly what the term media development means.
54:18
Speaker 2: And you know UK column was one of the first
54:21
Speaker 2: to talk about Andy Price and the Counter Disinformation Mission
54:25
Speaker 2: and media Sorry, the kind of disinformation media development program
54:28
Speaker 2: in the Foreign Office. Well, Andy Price moved on from
54:30
Speaker 2: heading that up and he was replaced with this guy,
54:35
Speaker 2: Darren Boiling. Now, of course we have no idea whether
54:37
Speaker 2: Darren Boiling is still heading up the kind of disinformation
54:41
Speaker 2: program because we're not allowed to know, and free information
54:45
Speaker 2: requests are refused on the basis of national security, and
54:49
Speaker 2: that in itself demonstrates this is kind of a spooky operation.
54:53
Speaker 2: But nonetheless, the key point here is, you know, so
54:57
Speaker 2: that media development is not just about the training of
55:02
Speaker 2: journalists that we've talked about many times in the past
55:05
Speaker 2: and the use of those trained journalists to promote British
55:08
Speaker 2: narratives and NATO narratives from foreign countries. It's also about
55:12
Speaker 2: grabbing influencers on social media, and it's unbelievably dangerous as
55:17
Speaker 2: something that we should be that everybody in the country should.
55:20
Speaker 3: Be aware of paid propaganda. All the things they accused
55:23
Speaker 3: the Russians are doing, they're doing subversively. And this is
55:27
Speaker 3: also about sewing division in the Balkans in Bosnia Herzegovinia.
55:32
Speaker 3: Those areas are listed as target areas and so this
55:36
Speaker 3: is there another war brewing in the Balkans. We're going
55:39
Speaker 3: to see another sort of bloody sectarian conflict to break out.
55:43
Speaker 2: Well, like I said, it's not a coincidence that the Balkans,
55:45
Speaker 2: specifically who's mentioned in this new German British treaty that
55:48
Speaker 2: we were talking about earlier on.
55:49
Speaker 1: I believe that's exactly what's going.
55:51
Speaker 3: To happen, and they'll use it. They'll use religious lines
55:54
Speaker 3: as well, Muslim, Christian, and maybe even you know, feminist gender.
56:01
Speaker 3: There'll be an LGBT element there there normally is. So yeah,
56:05
Speaker 3: it's just incredible the level of propaganda, how well funded
56:09
Speaker 3: the propaganda is. Yes, what's the aggregate total of that
56:12
Speaker 3: what thirty eight.
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Speaker 2: Thirty nine million for that one company, And of course
56:16
Speaker 2: they're part of a much larger network that's pulling the
56:19
Speaker 2: same kind of things. So more on that in the future,
56:23
Speaker 2: and we'll just finish by saying that, of course, you know,
56:26
Speaker 2: the offcom censorship regime added together with this type of influence.
56:30
Speaker 1: Operation is what drives worse. And so we'll leave that
56:35
Speaker 1: there for now.
56:37
Speaker 2: Let's come back to you, Mark, and the question is
56:40
Speaker 2: what's been going on in the United States.
56:44
Speaker 1: On media related stuff.
56:47
Speaker 7: I just have one illustration to show here. It's a
56:50
Speaker 7: pretty pivotal thing. The US Senate has voted to defund
56:55
Speaker 7: liberal of course, they're known as liberal left wing views,
56:58
Speaker 7: the Public broad Casting System and National Public Radio, which
57:03
Speaker 7: operate under the aegis of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting,
57:06
Speaker 7: which is directly federally funded. So this is a pretty
57:10
Speaker 7: pivotal thing. PBS, that system has existed a long time.
57:15
Speaker 7: This would be roughly akin to the BBC being defunded.
57:20
Speaker 7: Let's put that slide up one more moment, if we could, Mike,
57:23
Speaker 7: there's an important caveat in there that if signed into law.
57:28
Speaker 7: The House hasn't looked at this yet. Only the Senate
57:30
Speaker 7: has passed defunding PBS and NPR. The bill would fulfill
57:35
Speaker 7: a key conservative priority. This is according to LifeNews dot
57:39
Speaker 7: Com redirecting taxpayer dollars away from what many GOP lawmakers
57:44
Speaker 7: view as ideologically driven media, and an important twist. It
57:49
Speaker 7: comes weeks after Congress passed and Trump signed the Big
57:53
Speaker 7: Beautiful Bill, as it's been called, and one component of that,
57:56
Speaker 7: among many many is to defund Plant parent Hood, the
58:00
Speaker 7: abortion business, the abortion industry, and that organization is suing
58:04
Speaker 7: to recover the taxpayer funds. Another note on that is
58:08
Speaker 7: Planned Parenthood doesn't get direct funding due to the High Amendment,
58:12
Speaker 7: named after the late Illinois Congressman Henry Hyde. They only
58:16
Speaker 7: get indirect federal funding through Medicaid reimbursement. So another twist
58:22
Speaker 7: on that is Planned Parenthood was only defunded for one year,
58:25
Speaker 7: and the American Family Association is actually critical of that,
58:29
Speaker 7: saying that that defunding should have been much more extensive
58:32
Speaker 7: in terms of duration. But back to PBS, Yeah, it's
58:36
Speaker 7: a pretty pivotal thing. We'll see what happens. That Corporation
58:40
Speaker 7: for Public Broadcasting has been on the airwaves in the
58:43
Speaker 7: US a long long time. They don't do altogether a
58:46
Speaker 7: bad job. Fox News is also ideologically driven the other direction,
58:51
Speaker 7: but of course most of their money comes from advertising.
58:54
Speaker 7: And subscriptions and things like that, and they don't get
58:56
Speaker 7: federal funds or taxpayer money. And the FC isn't directly
59:01
Speaker 7: federally funded either. Federal Communications Commission actually gets its money
59:06
Speaker 7: to operate from fees that are paid by the entities
59:10
Speaker 7: that it regulates, so there's no direct funding from the
59:14
Speaker 7: taxpayers to the FCC either. But it's a pretty notable development,
59:18
Speaker 7: that's for sure. And we can talk a little bit
59:21
Speaker 7: more about the ramifications and extra but I'll be watching
59:24
Speaker 7: this closely because this has been talked about many, many
59:27
Speaker 7: times and this is the closest it's ever come.
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Speaker 1: So beck to you guys, Thank you Mark, thank you
59:33
Speaker 1: for that.
59:33
Speaker 2: We're going to end the program today with a bit
59:36
Speaker 2: of amusing news, and that is that Plymouth has voted
59:40
Speaker 2: against having a elected mayor. But the turnout was just
59:44
Speaker 2: nineteen point that most people's oppathe in Plymouth was total
59:50
Speaker 2: and they just couldn't be bothered. This is it was
59:53
Speaker 2: a pointless vote anyway. As we talked about on Wednesday,
59:56
Speaker 2: the Starmer regime has already stated that a city mayor
1:00:00
Speaker 2: is not an option for Plymouth because the star Wars
1:00:03
Speaker 2: policy is for so called metro or otherwise known as
1:00:06
Speaker 2: regional mayors like Andy Burnham and so Plymouth Council leader Tutor.
1:00:13
Speaker 2: Evans was very keen to be seen posing with Andrew
1:00:16
Speaker 2: andy Burnham on Twitter as soon as the referendum result
1:00:20
Speaker 2: was announced, undoubtedly hitting it what he would like to
1:00:23
Speaker 2: have as his next job. Now, if you didn't see
1:00:27
Speaker 2: Wednessey's program, take a look at Wednesley's program for much
1:00:31
Speaker 2: more on this. This is an absolutely pivot pivotable, try again,
1:00:36
Speaker 2: pivotal part of the devolution agenda that we are trying
1:00:40
Speaker 2: to explain to people the implications of at the moment.
1:00:43
Speaker 2: So so, someone wants to be King of the Southwest,
1:00:47
Speaker 2: someone wants to be King of the Southwest, someone whose
1:00:50
Speaker 2: name is Tutor and maybe bring image.
1:00:55
Speaker 3: Are they related because it looks like they could be
1:00:58
Speaker 3: father's son, two brothers. I mean, there's a Doffel gangers,
1:01:02
Speaker 3: aren't they amazing? Amazing?
1:01:04
Speaker 1: Yes, Well, anyway, we will leave it there for today.
1:01:07
Speaker 2: Thank you Mark, thank you Patrick, and we will talk
1:01:12
Speaker 2: much more in extra in about five minutes time. If
1:01:15
Speaker 2: you're a UK column member, stick with us. Otherwise, have
1:01:18
Speaker 2: a great weekend and we will see you on Monday
1:01:22
Speaker 2: at one pm.
1:01:22
Speaker 1: As usual bye,