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Empowered Living Requires More Than Theology From NASA Engineer Steven Cole · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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  Speaker 1: your exploration. Hello and good morning, everybody. How's everybody doing today?
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  Speaker 1: Looking forward to sharing a conversation with you, sir, today. Good. Steven,
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  Speaker 1: you got to tell me where the inspiration from this
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  Speaker 1: book came from, because I love the way that you
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  Speaker 1: are speaking with with such a transparent message in the
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  Speaker 1: way of saying, yeah, you can do this as well.
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  Speaker 1: It's just going to take a little bit of openness
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  Speaker 1: from your heart.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's the emphasis, the entire emphasis of the book
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  Speaker 2: saying you can do this, too.
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  Speaker 1: Why are people so afraid or is that just a
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  Speaker 1: personal thing?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I was talking about this at a men's breakfast
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  Speaker 2: last Saturday. People are filled with the Spirit. They speak
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  Speaker 2: in tongues. But they hear something odd in their minds.
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  Speaker 2: And they think, well, that's just me. It's just a
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  Speaker 2: thought that popped into my mind without realizing that's the
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  Speaker 2: Holy Spirit talking to them. Or they say, It's asking
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  Speaker 2: me to say something out loud in a church. I
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  Speaker 2: can't do that. Or go up and pray for somebody.
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  Speaker 2: I can't do that. And it takes courage to follow
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  Speaker 2: the leading of the Holy Spirit. And as I said
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  Speaker 2: in the book, if you doubt that it's God, ask.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: For... People new to the experience. And God will let
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  Speaker 2: you know if it's him. When I started prophesying, I
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  Speaker 2: would hear something from God, half of a sentence. And
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  Speaker 2: as I considered, is this God? I'd ask. And if
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  Speaker 2: it was God, my teeth would tingle. Now, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know physiologically how teeth could possibly tingle, but my teeth
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  Speaker 2: would tingle. Wow. And I knew that it was God.
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  Speaker 2: So I gave the half a sentence that God had
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  Speaker 2: given me in confidence that he would finish the sentence,
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  Speaker 2: which he always did. And more beside.
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  Speaker 1: So I love exactly where you're speaking from in the
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  Speaker 1: way that, you know, being open to it, because I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to be very honest with you. When I walked
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  Speaker 1: into an Elevation Church in 2010 and they were inviting
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  Speaker 1: us to raise our arms, I'm going, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what you're talking about here. But once you start understanding
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  Speaker 1: that movement of energy, then things begin to pop for you.
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  Speaker 1: Just something as simple as raising your arms.
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  Speaker 2: Because it's surrender to God. Yes. And what he wanted
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  Speaker 2: at that moment. You know, people hear the word prophecy
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  Speaker 2: and they think, oh, it's like Revelation. You're going to
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  Speaker 2: forecast the future. No, it's God saying what he wants
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  Speaker 2: the people to understand at that moment in time and
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  Speaker 2: nothing more than that.
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  Speaker 1: So then do you write these down as they're happening?
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  Speaker 1: Because I'll do that. And what I'll do is I'll
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  Speaker 1: put it in a defrag journal and I can always
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  Speaker 1: come back to it and learn from it. Because, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you really caught my attention when you said that only
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  Speaker 1: a half a sentence is planted. And I'm going, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I've been there. But then I try to rush it
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  Speaker 1: through thinking I'm supposed to finish it. And I just got,
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  Speaker 1: maybe I'm not supposed to finish it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, as I said, God had never cut me off short.
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  Speaker 2: He always finished the sentence and gave me more besides. But...
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  Speaker 2: it takes a confidence that this is God and this
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  Speaker 2: is what he wants to go ahead and do it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Does that answer the question?
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  Speaker 1: It, it, it does because I mean, first of all,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it all ties into the name of the book,
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  Speaker 1: catch the wave experience. And then it says the thrill
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  Speaker 1: of spirit empowered living. That's exactly what I'm feeling in
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  Speaker 1: your moment right now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's, that's exactly what it is. And, I don't
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  Speaker 2: prophesy every Sunday. Prophecy is the main gift of the
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  Speaker 2: Spirit God's given me. But at one time or another,
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  Speaker 2: I've been used in all nine of the gifts of
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  Speaker 2: the Spirit. But prophecy is the main one. And I
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  Speaker 2: only do it when I feel God has spoken to me. Right.
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  Speaker 2: and asks me to go up to the microphone in
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  Speaker 2: church during worship and give a word. And I respond.
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  Speaker 2: There was one time when I didn't do that. God
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  Speaker 2: gave me a word to say, and I said, well,
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  Speaker 2: I can't tell him that. And I was in the
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  Speaker 2: doghouse for about two weeks as I repented for my inaction.
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  Speaker 2: And I needed to learn, even after doing this for
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  Speaker 2: 60 years, that when God speaks to me, I need
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  Speaker 2: to move. No matter what it is, no matter what
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  Speaker 2: he's asking, I need to trust him and do what
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  Speaker 2: he's asking me to do.
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  Speaker 1: So now one of the things that in having the
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  Speaker 1: blessed opportunity to share a lot of conversations with the
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  Speaker 1: ones that have made it in movies and music and things,
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  Speaker 1: they always talk about, oh, I had a rough childhood.
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  Speaker 1: It always feels like the negative part of our lives
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  Speaker 1: are in those early years. And then they believe that
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  Speaker 1: they're surviving and being strong with the music and things.
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  Speaker 1: My question is, is that what are we missing on
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  Speaker 1: this open field? It's like we got half the message,
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  Speaker 1: but not the entire journey. Because they're continuing to make
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  Speaker 1: the mistakes, even as adults, even in fame.
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  Speaker 2: Well, being led by the Holy Spirit is something that
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  Speaker 2: only happens when we first of all, say yes to
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  Speaker 2: Jesus as Savior, but then say yes to the Holy
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  Speaker 2: Spirit and become immersed, baptized in the Holy Spirit. And
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  Speaker 2: after that, when God speaks to us, we need to
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  Speaker 2: follow through and do what He's asking us to do. Otherwise,
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  Speaker 2: He may speak to us two or three more times
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  Speaker 2: But then he'll stop speaking to us because we're not responding.
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  Speaker 2: We're not doing anything with it. And people who've been
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  Speaker 2: filled with the Holy Spirit are left speaking in tongues,
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  Speaker 2: which is great. When I lost my wife, I was
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  Speaker 2: in mourning for her passing. And what really brought me
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  Speaker 2: out of it or gave me counsel, gave me solace
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  Speaker 2: in it, was when I would pray in the Spirit,
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  Speaker 2: and the joy of the Lord would rise within me.
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  Speaker 2: So I understand the value of praying in the Spirit.
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  Speaker 2: Paul says, if we pray in the Spirit, it's our
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  Speaker 2: human spirit that's praying, and our mind is untruthful. In
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  Speaker 2: other words, we don't understand what we're saying. But our
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  Speaker 2: spirit is built up. But... If God's asking you to
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  Speaker 2: do something and you haven't done it, you need to repent.
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  Speaker 2: You need to go to God and say, I really
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  Speaker 2: blew it, God. Please forgive me. And God will. And
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  Speaker 2: he'll start speaking to you again. But again, it takes
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  Speaker 2: courage to do what he's asking you to do, whether
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  Speaker 2: it's get up in front of a congregation and say
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  Speaker 2: something or speak out loud from the back or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: pray for somebody for whatever purpose, for healing, for counseling,
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  Speaker 2: for solace. If they're going through a hard time, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it takes courage to step out and do what God
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  Speaker 2: is telling us to do.
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  Speaker 1: The name of the book is Catch the Wave Experience,
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  Speaker 1: the Thrill of Spirit Empowered Living. We're going to be
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  Speaker 1: right back with Stephen Cole. I love how brutal he is.
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  Speaker 1: Brutal in the way of being transparent. He's being very honest.
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  Speaker 1: That word trust. We are back with Stephen Cole. What
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  Speaker 1: do you think went through Lazarus in the way of...
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  Speaker 1: I just feel this message that said, okay, Lazarus, I
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  Speaker 1: need you to go be dead for four days. Trust me,
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  Speaker 1: there's a bigger story on the other side of this,
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  Speaker 1: but Lazarus, don't play with me. Go do it. Go
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  Speaker 1: be dead for four days.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well... There were people who went into a coma
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  Speaker 2: and they put them in a tomb and the coldness
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  Speaker 2: of the tomb kind of revives them. And they seem
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  Speaker 2: to come back to life from death. It wasn't really death,
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  Speaker 2: but that's apparently what happened. And Jesus left Lazarus in
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  Speaker 2: the tomb for four days so that everyone would understand, yes,
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  Speaker 2: he's really dead. It's not just being revived from the
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  Speaker 2: coolness of the tomb. Right. When Jesus says, Lazarus, come forth. And...
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes when we're asked to do things, it's kind of
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  Speaker 2: like that, where it seems impossible or illogical to pray
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  Speaker 2: for somebody or to give a word of wisdom or
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  Speaker 2: word of knowledge or a prophetic word. Prophetic words are
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  Speaker 2: not just for congregations, they're also for individuals. And It
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  Speaker 2: takes courage to step out and do that, even though
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  Speaker 2: it seems illogical. It's God's logic, not ours.
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  Speaker 1: That's so interesting that you say that, because on iHeartRadio today,
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  Speaker 1: I did a big feature that was based on that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, are we rushing time? Are we are we
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  Speaker 1: sitting here procrastinating with time? And why is God's time
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  Speaker 1: so differently from our time? Because Amazon now is late.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's almost like time is this big commodity,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't think time has ever started wars, has it?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know about that. I think about the bombing
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  Speaker 2: of Pearl Harbor. Oh, yeah. Things like that. Yeah. Yeah. But...
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  Speaker 2: God lives apart from time. Yes. He is never too
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  Speaker 2: busy to come fellowship with us if we are willing
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  Speaker 2: to fellowship with him. He's never too busy to meet
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  Speaker 2: our needs when we come to him with a need
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  Speaker 2: because he's promised to do that. And in With the
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  Speaker 2: baptism in the Holy Spirit and responding to the Holy
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  Speaker 2: Spirit's voice, God gives us an opportunity to cooperate with
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  Speaker 2: God in delivering that response of healing or solace or
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  Speaker 2: encouragement that the person may need.
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  Speaker 1: What I love about you, Steve, what I love about
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  Speaker 1: what you're sharing is that people need to grab this book.
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  Speaker 1: And what I want them to do, though, is to
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  Speaker 1: study the book. Don't read this book like a novel.
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  Speaker 1: They've got to study the book, and it's called Catch
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  Speaker 1: the Wave Experience. And one of the things that you
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  Speaker 1: really do bring out is that we need more than theology.
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  Speaker 1: How many people are addicted to the theology, and they're
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  Speaker 1: totally forgetting about the physical need of faith?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I don't like to use the word faith
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  Speaker 2: because faith can mean a whole bunch of different things
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  Speaker 2: to a whole bunch of different people. Yes, it can.
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  Speaker 2: But I like to use the word trust. God wants
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  Speaker 2: us to trust him. And that's involved when he speaks
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  Speaker 2: to us through the Holy Spirit and asks us to
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  Speaker 2: do something. We need to trust him to do it
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  Speaker 2: and let him worry about the results.
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  Speaker 1: You know, one of the things that growing up in
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  Speaker 1: that Baptist temple up there in Billings, Montana, is that
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  Speaker 1: they were always preaching when I was a kid about
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  Speaker 1: having that relationship. You got to get that relationship, relationship, relationship.
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  Speaker 1: And what I've learned in your book is a word
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  Speaker 1: that you hear about, but you actually activate it. Partnership. Oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: that's an eye opener and a heart staller right there. Boy,
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  Speaker 1: it'll open you up really good.
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  Speaker 2: But we are the minor partner with God. There you go.
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  Speaker 2: He's the major partner. Yes, sir. So we don't get
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  Speaker 2: to decide, well, is this what the person needs, or
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  Speaker 2: do I do that, or do I do something else?
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  Speaker 2: God will tell us exactly what he wants to happen
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  Speaker 2: in that situation. It's up to us to trust him
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  Speaker 2: and do what he's asking us to do. As I said,
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  Speaker 2: that's the primary message of the book. Have the courage
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  Speaker 2: to act on God's voice within you. And if you're
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  Speaker 2: not sure, ask. He will find some way specific to
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  Speaker 2: you to let you know it's him. And then the
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  Speaker 2: responsibility lies with you to act as he asks you
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  Speaker 2: to act.
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  Speaker 1: I love that. I love that because there are many times,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm so guilty of this, when people will We'll
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  Speaker 1: sit there and try to preach me their way, and
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  Speaker 1: then I'll reach down to take off my shoe and say,
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  Speaker 1: I need you to walk a mile in my shoes,
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  Speaker 1: and then come back and talk to me about what
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  Speaker 1: you're trying to sell me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well... God walks much more than a mile.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, you are so true about that. In fact, you
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  Speaker 1: know what? I know that piece, that verse where, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we're not even doing the walking. He's carrying us, dude. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: When I lost my wife, it was God that carried me. Yes, sir.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, sir.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, sir.
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  Speaker 1: A personal question on a one-on-one basis here in the
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  Speaker 1: way of, do you stand back in the way that
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  Speaker 1: it seems like the word is everywhere and everybody has
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  Speaker 1: their own interpretation? I keep having this vision of that
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  Speaker 1: Sunday morning school teacher that would sit there and say that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, here comes Moses down the dang mountain and
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  Speaker 1: he's got this word for all these people that are
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  Speaker 1: going in their own direction. I feel like that we're
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  Speaker 1: living that again, where everybody is going in their own direction.
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  Speaker 2: Well, God knows the hearts of the people He's asking
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  Speaker 2: us to minister to through the Holy Spirit. And He
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  Speaker 2: knows exactly what's going to fit in that keyhole to
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  Speaker 2: unlock what God wants to unlock within them. If we'll
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  Speaker 2: just be obedient and do what He's asking us to do,
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  Speaker 2: we can be the vessel that unlocks whatever it is
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  Speaker 2: that's got them bound up.
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever had the argument where you sit there
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  Speaker 1: and you go, I think you're wrong, and then you realize,
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  Speaker 1: who are you to tell God, or do you think
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  Speaker 1: I'm wrong?
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  Speaker 2: Well, if... Every now and then, God will give me
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  Speaker 2: a word for somebody, personal word, and I'll deliver it,
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  Speaker 2: and they say, well, that's not the problem. I said, okay.
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  Speaker 2: That's what God said. That's what I heard from God. So...
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  Speaker 2: You know, I kind of let them deal with it.
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  Speaker 2: Not trying to excuse it or justify it, but just
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  Speaker 2: let God, let them think about what God's given to
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  Speaker 2: them in that moment.
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  Speaker 1: See, I love that because, I mean, that moment can
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  Speaker 1: be in any place, any time. And I truly believe
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  Speaker 1: that's the reason why I've been planted to work at
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  Speaker 1: a grocery store, because where else is community? Community is church.
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  Speaker 1: Go to a grocery store and see every walk on
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  Speaker 1: this planet. Go through that place. Every rich person, small person,
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  Speaker 1: tall person, fat person, nonbelievers. And boy, you couldn't ask
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  Speaker 1: to be in a better church than a darn grocery store.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And one of the guys at church, his primary
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  Speaker 2: gift of the Holy Spirit is is to pray for healing.
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  Speaker 2: So before he goes into a grocery store, he says, okay, God,
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  Speaker 2: point out the person you want me to pray for.
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  Speaker 2: And when God does, he goes up to them and said,
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  Speaker 2: do you know that God loves you and that he
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  Speaker 2: wants to help you with whatever malady you're facing or,
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  Speaker 2: you know, whatever situation you're in, may I pray for you?
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  Speaker 2: And they'll probably say yes. And when they do, God
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  Speaker 2: steps in and fixes it, whether it's healing or correcting
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  Speaker 2: them emotionally or just touching their hearts with his love.
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  Speaker 2: It's a wonderful gift. And there have been times when
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  Speaker 2: I wish God would give that to me, but he doesn't.
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  Speaker 2: God gives us what our personalities are designed for. And
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  Speaker 2: he designed our personalities in the first place. That's right.
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  Speaker 2: So he knows, and he knows our hearts. So when
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  Speaker 2: God gives us a gift from the Holy Spirit, it's
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  Speaker 2: for a specific person, for a specific time or place,
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  Speaker 2: and it's God's gift to that person through us. And
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  Speaker 2: we just get to be the vehicle to deliver it. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: I talk about the brown truck. Yes, sir. And the
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  Speaker 2: guys who get out in the brown uniform carrying a
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  Speaker 2: brown box. That's not his gift. That's my gift. Because
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  Speaker 2: he's coming to deliver it to me. And when God
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  Speaker 2: gives me a gift of the Holy Spirit, that's not
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  Speaker 2: my gift. I am the guy in the brown suit
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  Speaker 2: to deliver to somebody else.
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  Speaker 1: That's so true.
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  Speaker 2: And if I fall down on the job and don't
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  Speaker 2: do what God asks me to do, then the person
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  Speaker 2: who's to receive that is the lesser for it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Where can people go to find out more about you?
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  Speaker 1: Because I want them to understand your entire journey and
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  Speaker 1: not just the book. I want them to have the book,
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  Speaker 1: but I want them to know the entire man here.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there's a website called HolySpiritWave.net. HolySpiritWave.net. And there are
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  Speaker 2: a lot of testimonials in there of people who've read
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  Speaker 2: the book. And actually, honestly, they're embarrassing because they say, oh,
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  Speaker 2: this is so simple. Why didn't I hear about this before?
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  Speaker 2: It's so wonderful. And they go on and on extolling
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  Speaker 2: the virtues of the book. And it's really God's blessing. Yep. Yep. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: my God.
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  Speaker 1: You've got to come back to this show any time
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  Speaker 1: in the future. I love where your heart is. And
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  Speaker 1: if anybody, any of the churches in the Charlotte area
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  Speaker 1: are inviting you in, please extend an open palm to
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  Speaker 1: me so I can come join you.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I live in Dewey, Arizona. If you draw an
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  Speaker 2: X over the state of Arizona, we're right under the
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  Speaker 2: center of the X. Oh, my God. In the high
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  Speaker 2: country in Arizona. And I'm 77 years old. And I
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  Speaker 2: don't like to travel. I've done enough working for JPL,
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  Speaker 2: traveling to different countries and different parts of the United States,
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  Speaker 2: that I'm done with that. So if a church in
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  Speaker 2: this area, in the Prescott area, would like to invite
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  Speaker 2: me over, I'd be more than happy to come. But
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  Speaker 2: let's leave it in the proximity of... Where I live, please.
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  Speaker 1: I will. I will. Well, you have yourself a beautiful, brilliant,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: blessed day today. Okay, sir?
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, thank you for the interview. It's been a joy.