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The Kenny Report | 3 March · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Live from the sky New Center.
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Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Thanks Ed, and thank you for joining me tonight.
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Speaker 3: The war in Iran set to escalate as Saudi Arabia
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Speaker 3: is hit and tens of thousands of Australians remain stranded
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Speaker 3: in the Middle East. The coalition demands the Albanezi government
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Speaker 3: strip taxpayer funding for groups glorifying the late former Supreme
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Speaker 3: Leader of Iran. Andrew Hasty and Dave Sharma will join
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Speaker 3: me and I'll cross to Christian Tate in the US
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Speaker 3: to discuss why.
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Speaker 1: A short war is crucial for Donald Trump.
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Speaker 3: Tim Blair will help me unpick some more energy madness
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Speaker 3: with your dollars from Blackout Bowen, and we'll wrap it
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Speaker 3: all up with Suzi O'Brien and Stephen Senna Tiempo on
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Speaker 3: the Victorian government wanting pretty much everyone to work from home.
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Speaker 1: Let's get cracking.
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Speaker 3: First, the war itself, and worryingly, Ranian drones made it
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Speaker 3: all the way to Readd, the capital of Saudi Arabia.
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Speaker 3: They hit and damaged the US embassy there. There were
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Speaker 3: no injuries, but this underscores the risk to US interests
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Speaker 3: in the region and crucially could change Saudi Arabia's attitude
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Speaker 3: to the war. Publicly, the Saudis have refused to endorse
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Speaker 3: the UN attacks on Iran, even refusing US Air Force
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Speaker 3: access to its airspace. However, the Washington Post reported yesterday
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Speaker 3: that the Saudis had privately urged action against Iran, a
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Speaker 3: report denied today by the Saudis. Meanwhile, the US is
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Speaker 3: vowing to escalate strikes against Iran.
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Speaker 4: This was our last best chance to strike what we're
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Speaker 4: doing right now and eliminate the intolerable threats posed by
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Speaker 4: this second sinister regime, and they are indeed sick and sinister.
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Speaker 4: Our objectives are clear.
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Speaker 5: We didn't start this war, but under President Trump, we
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Speaker 5: are finishing it. Their war on Americans has become our
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Speaker 5: retribution against their Ayatola and his death call. Being an
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Speaker 5: American means something unbreakable. If you kill Americans, if you
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Speaker 5: threaten Americans anywhere on Earth, we will hunt you down
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Speaker 5: without apology and without hesitation, and we will kill you.
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Speaker 3: And we've heard more on justifying the war, with the
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Speaker 3: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Yahoo telling Fox News that he'd
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Speaker 3: received intelligence that Iran was building new underground bunkers to
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Speaker 3: re establish this nuclear weapons program and that within months
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Speaker 3: the program would have been impossible to attack, and he
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Speaker 3: was bullish on the war's prospects.
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Speaker 6: This is going to be a quick and decisive action,
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Speaker 6: and we're going to create the conditions first for the
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Speaker 6: Uranian people to get control of their destiny, to form
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Speaker 6: their own democratically elected government, which will make Iran a
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Speaker 6: definite Iran altogether. Because Iran has been the main engine
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Speaker 6: of war over these years. It's just ninety five percent
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Speaker 6: of all the problems you see in the Middle East
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Speaker 6: are generated by Iran.
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Speaker 3: As for that school hit in southern Iran with a
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Speaker 3: heavy death toll, Iran has complained as claimed that it
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Speaker 3: was hit by an Israeli or US missile. Others have
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Speaker 3: suggested a misfired Iranian missile, but social media reports that
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Speaker 3: Iran has admitted this are not true. And this footage
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Speaker 3: claimed by some to show an accidental Iranian hit on
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Speaker 3: the school is not right either. It's at the other
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Speaker 3: end of the country. So despite what you see online,
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Speaker 3: we still don't know what caused this apparent tragedy. And
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Speaker 3: yesterday we showed you the US fighter jets shot down
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Speaker 3: in Kuwait.
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Speaker 1: Three jets were downed by.
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Speaker 3: Free endly fire from Kuwait's air defenses, But there is
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Speaker 3: more incredible footage of the aftermath where locals think, one
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Speaker 3: US pilot.
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Speaker 7: You.
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Speaker 1: Would save everything. Good, thank you for helping us.
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Speaker 3: And elsewhere Kuwaiti civilians gathered angrily around a pilot, presumably
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Speaker 3: fearing he was Iranian, until he tells them he's American.
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Speaker 8: American.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there was an instant change, wasn't there.
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Speaker 3: And tens of thousands of Australian travelers remain stranded in
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Speaker 3: the Middle East. We'll catch up with one of them
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Speaker 3: later tonight. We told you last night about Shiite Muslim
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Speaker 3: communities mourning and glorifying the death of the Supreme Leader
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Speaker 3: of Iran, Aetola Ali Khamanei. He was a theocratic dictator
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Speaker 3: who repressed his people, especially women. The had Iranians imprisoned
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Speaker 3: and executed in vast numbers. Tens of thousands of dissidents
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Speaker 3: were murdered in the streets and thousands more slaughtered around
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Speaker 3: the world because of Hamani's sponsorship of terrorism, and he
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Speaker 3: kept pursuing nuclear weapons against international obligations. But listen to
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Speaker 3: how he's revered by some in Australia.
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Speaker 9: We lost one of our biggest scholars, Islamic scholars, religious scholar,
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Speaker 9: was very well respected from everyone and it's a loss.
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Speaker 1: This is such a worry.
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Speaker 3: In Parliament, the opposition focused on how some group to
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Speaker 3: lionize the Aetola receive taxpayer funding.
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Speaker 1: My question is to the Treasurer.
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Speaker 10: Will the Treasurer rule out a single taxpayer dollar being
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Speaker 10: spent on extremist Islamic prayer groups and places of worship
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Speaker 10: who have been mourning the death of Iran's brutal dictator
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Speaker 10: Iotola a la Kameni.
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Speaker 11: My question is to the Treasurer. The Albanese and Labor
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Speaker 11: government promised last May the Member for Bruce's electorate six
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Speaker 11: hundred and seventy thousand dollars to the Taha Association who
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Speaker 11: have been mourning the death of Iran's brutal dictator Aotola Kamani.
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Speaker 11: Will the Treasurer act to prevent this payment being made?
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Speaker 12: Thank you, mister speaker. This government's made it very clear.
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Speaker 12: Prime Minister and other ministers have made it clear as
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Speaker 12: do I, that we don't consider it appropriate to mourn
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Speaker 12: the death of the Ayatola.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but he never answered the question, which means your
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Speaker 3: tax dollars are going to this community. And if you
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Speaker 3: want to see how weak labor is on all of this,
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Speaker 3: you only had to watch the Prime Minister on the
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Speaker 3: ABC last night.
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Speaker 13: You said no one will moren the Ayatala. But there
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Speaker 13: are reports this afternoon that at least four Sheete institutions
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Speaker 13: in Australia have either published obituaries of him or are
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Speaker 13: going to hold memorials to him. Should those materials be withdrawn,
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Speaker 13: should those memorials go ahead.
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Speaker 14: We have a clear position as the Australian government, and
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Speaker 14: I think overwhelmingly Australians will have that position. We in
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Speaker 14: this country have a different approach to people having different
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Speaker 14: views from a totalitarian regime such as Iran, But our
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Speaker 14: position is very clear and I'm sure that is shared
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Speaker 14: by the overwhelming majority of Australians, including the overwhelming number
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Speaker 14: of Australians of Iranian descent.
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Speaker 3: Albaniz he kept saying he had a clear position, so
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Speaker 3: clear in fact, that he never said what it was
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Speaker 3: and we were left with no idea.
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Speaker 1: Let's pick it up again.
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Speaker 14: But our position is very clear and I'm sure that
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Speaker 14: is shared by the overwhelming majority of Australians, including the
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Speaker 14: overwhelming number of Australians of Iranian descent.
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Speaker 13: No, I mean, these are tricky areas I understand, but
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Speaker 13: I just want to be clear about that. Do you
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Speaker 13: think that memorials for the death of the Ayatollahamani should
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Speaker 13: go ahead in Australia or not?
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Speaker 14: Well, I don't think they're appropriate, and certainly I think
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Speaker 14: that overwhelmingly people won't be participating. Overwhelmingly. What Australians want
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Speaker 14: is in the Australian Covenant, no matter where people are from,
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Speaker 14: is that if they have any hatred or prejudice, it's
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Speaker 14: left at the customs hall.
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Speaker 3: So his clear position is that most of the Australian
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Speaker 3: population won't be at these events, and the clear position
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Speaker 3: is that this is not appropriate. Really, wearing thongs into
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Speaker 3: the members stand is inappropriate. Wearing your hat at the
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Speaker 3: dinner table is inappropriate. Australians supporting a terrorist leader is
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Speaker 3: far worse than that. It's dangerous, it's threatening, and it
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Speaker 3: is dare we say it, an Australian unless the usual
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Speaker 3: crowd starts screaming about Islamophobia. Let me show you how
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Speaker 3: other Muslims have reacted to what's happened in Iran. Have
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Speaker 3: a look at the brave Muslim women of the Iranian
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Speaker 3: soccer team in Australia at the moment, refusing to sing
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Speaker 3: their nation's anthem, a brave show of defiance. Let's hope
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Speaker 3: they don't have to face the music when they get home.
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Speaker 3: And let's hope their friends and family are safe and
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Speaker 3: that by the time the team gets home, they're also free.
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Speaker 3: Speaking of freedom, let's talk about the United Nations and
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Speaker 3: the way the political left, when it suits them, use
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Speaker 3: it as the arbiter of truth and justice. They profer
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Speaker 3: United Nations authorization as the golden tick of moral virtue.
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Speaker 13: But I want to be absolutely clear about this. What
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Speaker 13: is the legal basis for this attack?
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Speaker 14: Well, that to matter for the United States based upon
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Speaker 14: we don't have access to the intelligence that the United
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Speaker 14: States and Israel had prior to the launch of these attacks.
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Speaker 3: Again, the PM is two weak to make an argument.
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Speaker 3: He just waffles along.
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Speaker 1: But others step into that vacuum.
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Speaker 15: This war is clearly in breach of international law. I mean,
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Speaker 15: there isn't an international law in the world. It doesn't
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Speaker 15: say it is. I mean it's clearly in breach of
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Speaker 15: the UN Charter. The United States under the Trump administration
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Speaker 15: expressly disavows international law.
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Speaker 1: That's good to know, isn't it. If Turnbull was still.
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Speaker 3: PM, we'd bail out on our great ally of the
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Speaker 3: United States, and we'd defer to the UN, and we'd
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Speaker 3: let the rogue terrorist nation of Iran continue on its
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Speaker 3: merry way, even when it's fire bombing synagogues in our cities.
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Speaker 3: The UN Charter, by the way, does allow for self defense. Now,
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Speaker 3: this attitude places the former liberal leader in some pretty
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Speaker 3: elite company like the Iranian leadership.
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Speaker 16: The justification advanced by the representative of the United States
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Speaker 16: today or illegal, an entirely devoid of legal foundation. The
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Speaker 16: base allegation invoked to defend this unlawful use of force
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Speaker 16: have no standing on the international law.
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Speaker 3: And of course Turnbull is an elite company at home too.
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Speaker 14: Donald Trump should not have the support of the Australian
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Speaker 14: government for this illegal war.
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Speaker 17: It is not our war.
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Speaker 18: Over the weekend we saw the start of another illegal,
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Speaker 18: dangerous and senseless imperial war launched by the same forces
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Speaker 18: who have ruthlessly massacred Palestinians for over two years now.
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Speaker 1: Just shockers.
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Speaker 3: Now, as I said, the UN Charter allows for self
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Speaker 3: defense and Israel and the US have been attacked repeatedly
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Speaker 3: by Iran. These people, these politicians, have just shown you
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Speaker 3: are not only fools, they are recklessly indifferent to barbarity.
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Speaker 3: Where was the UN when Hamma slaughtered innocent Israelis and
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Speaker 3: took them to took them hostage? And where was the
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Speaker 3: UN when Hesbalah assembled an arsenal in southern Lebanon and
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Speaker 3: attacked Israel. This happened, I remind you when under Security
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Speaker 3: Council Resolution one seven one, the area of Lebanon south
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Speaker 3: of the Latani River was to be disarmed under the
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Speaker 3: supervision of UN forces. Where was the UN when Iran
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Speaker 3: kept going with its nuclear weapons program? Where was the
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Speaker 3: UN when Iran slaughtered thirty thousand of its own people
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Speaker 3: just in recent weeks for protesting.
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Speaker 1: Against the government.
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Speaker 3: Well, as I told you last month, the UN Secretary
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Speaker 3: General he was busy sending his congratulations to the Iranian
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Speaker 3: government on the forty seventh anniversary of.
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Speaker 1: The Islamic Revolution.
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Speaker 3: And the UN was also busy installing Iran as deputy
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Speaker 3: president on committees overseeing social development and wait for it,
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Speaker 3: the oversight of the UN charter itself. Look, the United
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Speaker 3: Nations is a busted flush. It's up to nation states
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Speaker 3: to secure peace and ensure global order, and that's not you,
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Speaker 3: I'm afraid, especially for all of those you like to
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Speaker 3: pretend that Donald Trump has ruined the rules based order.
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Speaker 3: It has in fact never been observed, especially by the
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Speaker 3: likes of China, Russia and certainly Iran.
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Speaker 1: Now I mentioned the brave Iranian.
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Speaker 3: Soccer players there, let me highlight another brave and righteous
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Speaker 3: stand in the sporting world. AFL legend Jared Healy on
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Speaker 3: his sen Sports radio show, open this segment about the good,
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Speaker 3: the bad, and the ugly last night this way.
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Speaker 19: For right now, what's going on in the world, as
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Speaker 19: you all know, is really ugly, and we saw it
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Speaker 19: over the weekend and it has been here for some years.
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Speaker 19: So you're asking, what's that got to do with sports Day? Well,
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Speaker 19: fair enough, but stay with me, no matter what side
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Speaker 19: of the debate you're on, if any, regarding both the
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Speaker 19: Gaza war and the current one in Iran, it has
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Speaker 19: absolutely nothing to do with our neighbors, friends, and fellow
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Speaker 19: sports lovers who just happen to have a Jewish heritage.
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Speaker 19: Absolutely nothing. Yet for more than two years, they've been
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Speaker 19: disgracefully targeted and terrorized in their own countries. Since October seventh,
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Speaker 19: twenty twenty three, They've been terrorized in schools, in apathetic universities,
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Speaker 19: at work, and in their own homes, in their own towns,
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Speaker 19: their own country, culminating in the devastation of BONDI.
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Speaker 3: Now, I don't know heal, he's politics, and I don't care.
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Speaker 3: He's right in what he said about our Jewish community.
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Speaker 3: He encouraged footy fans to make gestures of welcome and
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Speaker 3: friendship to Jewish players, officials and fans, noting that no
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Speaker 3: group of Australians has ever been so brutally held to
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Speaker 3: account for something happening in a distant homeland.
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Speaker 19: In footy, we are only divided by who we barrack for,
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Speaker 19: and we celebrate that. We don't care about the color
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Speaker 19: of your skin or where you where your parents came from,
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Speaker 19: like the famous dipper Taikos Ali Aleiah Picket, Sheezel Heeni
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Speaker 19: or naz But by God, we care about the color
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Speaker 19: of your scarf and your beanie spot on.
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Speaker 3: Great stuff from Jared Healey. Now, politics should be kept
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Speaker 3: out of sport, but this wasn't politics. This was about
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Speaker 3: matship and in fact, it was really a plea to
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Speaker 3: keep politics out of foot brilliantly, said Jared Healy. Not
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Speaker 3: bad for a former player for the Bloody Demons and Swans.
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Speaker 3: I mentioned before that tens of thousands of Australians are
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Speaker 3: stranded in the Middle East because flights in and out
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Speaker 3: of those airport hubs of Dubai and Abu Dhabi and
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Speaker 3: others have been grounded. So let's catch up with one
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Speaker 3: of the Aussies who's stuck there at the moment. A
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Speaker 3: cross to Professor Terry Flew from the University of Sydney,
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Speaker 3: who was on his way to London is stuck in
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Speaker 3: the Middle East. Thanks for joining us this morning your time, Terry,
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Speaker 3: you tell us about how long you've been there so
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Speaker 3: far and what you're being told about when you might
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Speaker 3: be able to move on.
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Speaker 20: Well, Chris, thanks for having me. We departed at six
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Speaker 20: am Sydney time. And as you might be aware, on
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Speaker 20: Emirates flights you can get live television. You can get
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Speaker 20: the BBC and CNN, And while flying out of Australia,
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Speaker 20: I was watching the BBC News and I was aware
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Speaker 20: that the U K was withdrawing its embassy staff from Tehran,
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Speaker 20: and then I looked at CNN on the way coming
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Speaker 20: in and became aware that the bombing campaigns had commenced.
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Speaker 20: And so when we landed at about one point twenty,
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Speaker 20: we were moved quite quickly by Emirates staff through the
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Speaker 20: terminal in order to be placed in an airport hotel,
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Speaker 20: which is where we've been since since Saday afternoon.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 3: I flew through Abu Dhabi on the way too and
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Speaker 3: back from Europe in January.
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Speaker 1: I must admit I was worried about the situation.
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Speaker 3: We knew that a war could break out with Iran then,
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Speaker 3: and I kept it on it, wondering how safe we
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Speaker 3: were flying through that airspace and whether we'd get stranded.
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Speaker 3: You must have been looking at this even more fervently
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Speaker 3: in recent weeks, as we've seen the American aircraft carrier
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Speaker 3: groups move into the region. Was there any council from
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Speaker 3: either government authorities or from the air line that you
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Speaker 3: could be facing this sort of uncertainty?
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Speaker 20: I would say it was fairly limited counsel. And I
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Speaker 20: think what's happened here is that the intensity of Iranian
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Speaker 20: attacks on the Gulf States has really caught the states
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Speaker 20: themselves by surprise, and where I am in Dubai, that
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Speaker 20: has included attacks on the airport, terminal, luxury hotels what
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Speaker 20: am I described as symbols of global modernity, if you like,
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Speaker 20: and that it is certainly not a battle that's limited
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Speaker 20: to military bases by any means.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's right.
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Speaker 3: I mean, because we know in past conflagrations that the
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Speaker 3: airlines have been able to fly around them, and they
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Speaker 3: might have thought that could still operate out of those
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Speaker 3: areas even if there was a warfare breaking out slightly
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Speaker 3: to the.
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Speaker 1: North and west of there.
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Speaker 3: But the attack on the airports on the Emirates was unexpected.
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Speaker 1: I suppose.
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Speaker 3: Let's hope you can get out of there and return
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Speaker 3: your travels soon, Terry, have you got any idea.
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Speaker 20: Well, people are starting to be moved out. Flights commenced
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Speaker 20: this morning and in the hotel where I'm at, a
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Speaker 20: lot of people were arranging to reorganize their flights were
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Speaker 20: reorganized to flight to London hopefully on Thursday. We're aware
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Speaker 20: that there is another way out of the region, which
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Speaker 20: is through Saudi Saudi airspace, which is slightly longer. But
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Speaker 20: I think I would say from here there's been a
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Speaker 20: certain degree of shock at the extent which countries like
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Speaker 20: the UAE and Qatar and the other Gulf states feel
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Speaker 20: that they've been put under attack by.
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Speaker 1: Sure indeed terry.
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Speaker 3: Good luck to you and your family and all the
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Speaker 3: others other Aussie s stranded in the Middle East at
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Speaker 3: the moment, my beloved brother among them. Hope you'll get
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Speaker 3: home or to your next destination soon. Let's go to
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Speaker 3: Canberra now and catch up with the Shadow Industry Minister
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Speaker 3: Andrew Hasties had a busy day there in Parliament was
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Speaker 3: delayed by a division.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Andrew. Good to talk to you again.
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Speaker 3: I showed at the start of my program, among other things,
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Speaker 3: a clip of the former Liberal leader Malcolm Turnbull focusing
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Speaker 3: on you and approval for the war against Iran and
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Speaker 3: calling this an illegal war. What do you think about
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Speaker 3: this legalistic reliance on the United Nations and disregard I
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Speaker 3: suppose for the greatest security and moral imperative for this war.
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Speaker 2: We'll get evening.
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Speaker 21: Chris I said this morning that I think the rules
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Speaker 21: based global order is dead and buried, and so these
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Speaker 21: sorts of legal arguments are nice, But we live in
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Speaker 21: the world of reality and what we've seen over the
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Speaker 21: last decade is a complete disruption to the world that
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Speaker 21: we knew after the Second World War, which was underwritten
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Speaker 21: by US power, largely naval power, and now we're in
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Speaker 21: a new phase where we've seen the US conduct strikes
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Speaker 21: in Nigeria, they've removed the president of Venezuela, and now
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Speaker 21: are at war with Iran. So this is a new
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Speaker 21: world and it's disorientating for us, but we've got to
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Speaker 21: grapple with it, and we've got to start thinking about
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Speaker 21: how we protect Australia and our national interests going forward.
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Speaker 3: See the way I view this is I agree with
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Speaker 3: you that the rules based order is finished, but it
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Speaker 3: was never adhered to anyway. I think Western countries like
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Speaker 3: the US constantly tied one hand behind their back trying
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Speaker 3: to adhere to it, while countries like Russia, China and
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Speaker 3: Iran importantly never made any pretense.
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Speaker 21: Look, it was a nice Western construct and it was
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Speaker 21: the sort of thing that you talked about it, you know,
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Speaker 21: diplomatic dinner parties. But the world in reality is very
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Speaker 21: different and this is something that our foreign policy makers
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Speaker 21: particularly need to grapple with. It has flow and effects
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Speaker 21: in a number of areas, but particularly in industry, and
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Speaker 21: that's why I'm focused on looking at ways that we
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Speaker 21: can rebuild our industrial base to make sure that we
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Speaker 21: have a level of sovereign capability which in a crisis
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Speaker 21: will give us flexibility and resilience. And that's something that
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Speaker 21: I think for the last twenty years we've ignored.
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Speaker 2: And neglected and it's not good enough.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely we need energy and industry security, and I'll talk
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Speaker 3: to you about those issues again another time, but I
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Speaker 3: want to focus now on the so called Isis brides.
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Speaker 3: I prefer to called them the Islamic State families getting
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Speaker 3: back into the country. And you and others pressed the
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Speaker 3: government on this today to make them deny, which they
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Speaker 3: couldn't that any minister or anyone involved in the government
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Speaker 3: had put any pressure on done anything to help out
23:51
Speaker 3: with passports for these families. Have a look at the
23:54
Speaker 3: Prime Minister's answer.
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Speaker 1: I do think the leader of.
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Speaker 14: The position for his question and for his obsession with.
24:08
Speaker 3: This issue, it only missed the speaker.
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Speaker 14: He was as obsessed when Isis fighters were coming home
24:21
Speaker 14: on their way.
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Speaker 1: This is amazing stuff. Andrew.
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Speaker 3: The argument seems to be from the government that we
24:27
Speaker 3: haven't helped them. It's our public servants that have helped them.
24:31
Speaker 3: There seems to be this ridiculous division between what is
24:34
Speaker 3: part of the Albertezi government and what is part of
24:37
Speaker 3: the bureaucracy.
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Speaker 21: Well, in the end, we have a Westminster system where
24:42
Speaker 21: mister ministers are accountable for their departments, and so if
24:47
Speaker 21: the Home Affairs Department, if the Department of Foreign Affairs
24:49
Speaker 21: and Trade has been assisting with the repatriation of iSER sympathizers,
24:54
Speaker 21: and the government, particularly the ministers Minister Penny Wong and
24:56
Speaker 21: Minister Tony Burke have questions to answer. Ultimately, it's the
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Speaker 21: Prime Minister who presides over Cabinet and he is ultimately
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Speaker 21: accountable to the Australian people. So to regard our line
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Speaker 21: of questioning as an obsession, I think is ridiculous. There
25:10
Speaker 21: is nothing wrong with being obsessive about protecting Australians in
25:14
Speaker 21: our way of life, and that is what the leader
25:16
Speaker 21: of the Opposition, Angus Taylor and his team were doing
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Speaker 21: today in Parliament.
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Speaker 3: And I'm certain most Australians agree with you. Just to
25:23
Speaker 3: illustrate that point, I want to share with you some
25:25
Speaker 3: of a conversation that Ben Fordham had on Radio two
25:28
Speaker 3: gb today with Sarah not her real name, but she's
25:31
Speaker 3: a woman who's been to authorities years ago about one
25:34
Speaker 3: of these women who is now on isis Bride speaking
25:38
Speaker 3: to Racol, speaking to her before she was a mother,
25:41
Speaker 3: and when someone was trying to convince it to go
25:43
Speaker 3: back to school.
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Speaker 1: Have a listen, well, just sitting around chatting as to
25:49
Speaker 1: do with your friends.
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Speaker 18: And she didn't have.
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Speaker 3: Any children at.
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Speaker 22: The time, so someone made the comment, why don't you
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Speaker 22: go back to school before you have children, and she said,
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Speaker 22: I'd rather learn how to make bombs.
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Speaker 3: This is alarming stuff, especially when you consider that Sarah
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Speaker 3: not her real name, who knew this woman who was
26:09
Speaker 3: now in isis Bride, says that she wouldn't trust her
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Speaker 3: back in the country. She worries for the safety of
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Speaker 3: her own children if we let her back in.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's right.
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Speaker 21: These women chose to join with the Islamic State Caliphate.
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Speaker 21: They believe the ideology they hold to, these militant they
26:32
Speaker 21: hold her militant political Islamic views, and.
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Speaker 2: They're a risk to our society.
26:37
Speaker 21: Let's not forget that one of the Bondi shooters was
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Speaker 21: born here, raised here, schooled here, and radicalized here, and
26:43
Speaker 21: so the risk is bringing back these ISO sympathizers who
26:46
Speaker 21: haven't repudiated their beliefs, who still hold to Islamic state ideology.
26:52
Speaker 2: They'll be a risk to our communities.
26:53
Speaker 21: They'll be celebrated in some quarters, unfortunately, and that's why
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Speaker 21: the government should be doing everything to hold them back
26:59
Speaker 21: from to Australia.
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Speaker 1: Andrew Hasty, thanks so much for joining us. Andrew Hasty.
27:04
Speaker 3: There is now the Shadow Industry Minister and Minister for
27:07
Speaker 3: Sovereign Capabilities. I want to return to the around war
27:11
Speaker 3: situation now and offering his most extensive comments since the
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Speaker 3: war began. The President of the US today has backtracked
27:19
Speaker 3: a little on his prediction that the war would last
27:22
Speaker 3: only four or five weeks.
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Speaker 4: We're already substantially ahead of our time projections. But whatever
27:30
Speaker 4: the time is, it's okay. Whatever it takes. We will
27:33
Speaker 4: always and we have right from the beginning, we projected
27:38
Speaker 4: four to five weeks, but we have capability to go
27:43
Speaker 4: far longer than that.
27:46
Speaker 3: I spoke with US analyst Christen Tate about the President
27:49
Speaker 3: wanting a quick war.
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Speaker 23: Yes, it's been quite an extraordinary few days here.
27:55
Speaker 24: Obviously, this issue has created quite a stir here in
27:59
Speaker 24: United States, most people recognize that Iran's regime it's repressive,
28:04
Speaker 24: it's hostile to American interests, it funds proxied across the region,
28:08
Speaker 24: and its long pursued nuclear capabilities. Having said that, here
28:12
Speaker 24: on the ground, I know a lot of Trump supporters
28:14
Speaker 24: and there are many Americans who they're not weeping for
28:17
Speaker 24: the Iranian regime, but they're still very skeptical of military
28:21
Speaker 24: intervention and regime change wars. We were told last noon,
28:25
Speaker 24: if you remember Chris by the White House, that Iran's
28:28
Speaker 24: nuclear facilities were completely obliterated.
28:32
Speaker 23: That announcement is still on the White House website.
28:34
Speaker 24: If that's true, many people are asking why are for
28:37
Speaker 24: their strikes necessary now? And if that assessment back in
28:40
Speaker 24: June was overstated, why were we assured at that time
28:44
Speaker 24: that the threat had been neutralized? Now the White House
28:47
Speaker 24: is saying things that sounds to a lot of people
28:49
Speaker 24: like regime change, and this trajectory kind of worries a
28:53
Speaker 24: lot of people and brings us back to the George
28:56
Speaker 24: Bush jays. You know, when Trump was on the campaign trail,
28:59
Speaker 24: he really, he said, is himself apart not just from Democrats,
29:02
Speaker 24: but from other Republicans as well by denouncing nation building
29:06
Speaker 24: and saying we are going to focus our energy and
29:09
Speaker 24: our resources here at home. So there is a lot
29:12
Speaker 24: of concern right now amongst Trump's base, and yes, we
29:15
Speaker 24: all hope this will be a very quick operation.
29:18
Speaker 3: There's no doubt that Donald Trump has changed his mind.
29:21
Speaker 3: He'd probably regret what he said last year. There's no
29:24
Speaker 3: doubt he's focused focused, if not on regime change, on
29:28
Speaker 3: eliminating all of the military apparatus of this regime to
29:34
Speaker 3: remove it as a threat.
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Speaker 1: And obviously the.
29:37
Speaker 3: Supply of Iranian oil to China factor is into all
29:40
Speaker 3: of that. So there's a lot of strategic interests here
29:43
Speaker 3: at play. Here's what the Secretary of States had to say.
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Speaker 19: Again, I'm not going to give away the details of
29:49
Speaker 19: our tactical efforts, but the hardest hits are yet to
29:52
Speaker 19: come from the US military.
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Speaker 13: The next phase will be even more punishing on Iran
29:56
Speaker 13: than it is right now.
29:58
Speaker 3: Now, this is the point to get back to this
30:00
Speaker 3: timing of the war. And you've expressed very clearly the
30:03
Speaker 3: uncertainties of American citizens, especially the megabase. I mean, apart
30:09
Speaker 3: from minimizing the trauma on the ground and the casualties
30:13
Speaker 3: and the American expense obviously in terms of maintaining that
30:17
Speaker 3: support in America.
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Speaker 1: That's one of the reasons I really need this to
30:20
Speaker 1: be either quickly absolutely.
30:24
Speaker 24: One of the big core tenants of America first was
30:27
Speaker 24: that the President kind of drew a straight line from
30:30
Speaker 24: foreign interventionism to America's domestic decline.
30:34
Speaker 23: You can just drive across this country into any US
30:37
Speaker 23: city and you'll see that point underscored.
30:39
Speaker 24: Cities are struggling with crime and homelessness that make places
30:44
Speaker 24: unsafe for families. We've got deadly drugs that apport into
30:47
Speaker 24: this country, one hundred thousand Americans dying per year of overdoses.
30:52
Speaker 23: Public education is just pathetic in this country.
30:57
Speaker 24: And you know, the United States, we can barely keep
30:59
Speaker 24: a flo major cities like Baltimore, and now they're saying
31:03
Speaker 24: that they're going to go in and replace the entire
31:05
Speaker 24: government of Iran. It just makes a lot of people
31:08
Speaker 24: very nervous. When we voted for Trump to really focus
31:12
Speaker 24: our firepower and our resources here at home. And you know,
31:16
Speaker 24: we haven't even mentioned the debt yet.
31:17
Speaker 23: This country is.
31:18
Speaker 24: Like forty trillion dollars in debt, so this could get
31:21
Speaker 24: very expensive as well.
31:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, good point.
31:24
Speaker 3: It's a hell of a drain on the American economy
31:27
Speaker 3: this military episode. No one has even tried to put
31:32
Speaker 3: a dollar of value on it yet, but it will
31:34
Speaker 3: be astronomical. Let's change the pace a bit and listen
31:37
Speaker 3: to what the First Ladies had to say.
31:39
Speaker 1: We don't hear a lot from Millennia Trump.
31:41
Speaker 3: She was speaking at the un of all places and
31:43
Speaker 3: wanted to talk about US personnel who have sacrificed their lives,
31:47
Speaker 3: the last three of them being in this confrontation.
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Speaker 22: My heartfelt condolences to the families who have lost their
31:54
Speaker 22: heroes who sacrifice their lives for freedom. Their bravery and
32:00
Speaker 22: dedication will always be remembered.
32:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, those sentiments most Americans would agree with. But Millennia
32:07
Speaker 3: Trump is almost invisible, isn't she In terms of speaking publicly.
32:11
Speaker 1: We see a lot of her.
32:13
Speaker 3: How she viewed by the American public, where so many
32:15
Speaker 3: First Ladies in the past have taken a really leading role.
32:20
Speaker 24: Yeah, She's seen as a very elegant woman who kind
32:24
Speaker 24: of has Trump's ear in the background.
32:26
Speaker 23: There is a big movie that just came out.
32:28
Speaker 24: About Milennia Trump's rise. It was very popular here in
32:31
Speaker 24: the United States.
32:32
Speaker 23: I don't know the title of the movie. It escapes
32:35
Speaker 23: me at this time.
32:36
Speaker 24: But she's very much loved by Trump's base, and it's
32:41
Speaker 24: kind of refreshing to have a first lady like this
32:44
Speaker 24: after years and years and years of these first ladies
32:46
Speaker 24: who were not elected and got out there and tried
32:50
Speaker 24: to get themselves involved in policy. But of course she
32:53
Speaker 24: has tremendous influence over Trump in the background, but she
32:56
Speaker 24: is just every time she makes a statement, it's very,
33:00
Speaker 24: very elegant and just She's just a wonderful first lady,
33:04
Speaker 24: very refreshing.
33:05
Speaker 1: Let's go to another first lady.
33:07
Speaker 3: This first lady did get herself involved in policy even when.
33:11
Speaker 1: Even when her husband was in the White House.
33:13
Speaker 3: Of course, she went on in her own right to
33:15
Speaker 3: become a senator and an attempted presidential candidate. I speak,
33:20
Speaker 3: of course, of Hillary Clinton, and she's fronted up in
33:23
Speaker 3: a congressional hearing into the Epstein controversy. She got a
33:27
Speaker 3: bit nicky when some pictures of her appearance were released publicly.
33:31
Speaker 20: Have a look if there are photos that are being
33:33
Speaker 20: released of the secretary she is testifying, Can you please
33:36
Speaker 20: explain how.
33:37
Speaker 17: We've done with this? If you guys are doing that.
33:38
Speaker 17: I am done.
33:39
Speaker 24: You can hold me in contempt from now until the
33:41
Speaker 24: cows come home.
33:42
Speaker 17: This is just typical behavior.
33:46
Speaker 20: Oh for heaven, I would like to understand how that
33:49
Speaker 20: permissible for the hearing was.
33:51
Speaker 23: It doesn't matter.
33:52
Speaker 20: We all are abiding by the same rules.
33:54
Speaker 23: I will take that down. Yeah, well, I would like
33:57
Speaker 23: to take a break at this moment. I'd like to
33:58
Speaker 23: I've die.
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Speaker 1: Wow, go off the record and go further.
34:04
Speaker 3: I'd be happy niverty hear if I'm here again. She's
34:06
Speaker 3: very touchy, isn't she.
34:07
Speaker 24: Christen oh Man, America really doledged a bullet with Hillary Clinton.
34:12
Speaker 24: I mean, if she can't even keep her emotions in
34:14
Speaker 24: check during this one meeting, can you imagine how much
34:17
Speaker 24: of a mess it would have been for her to
34:19
Speaker 24: run this country? And you know what's so ironic about this, Chris,
34:23
Speaker 24: She made a big issue about how they wouldn't let
34:27
Speaker 24: media in during the desposition. She wanted a public deposition,
34:31
Speaker 24: and then she's going off about one photo. But yeah,
34:34
Speaker 24: I mean I could just never see her again in
34:36
Speaker 24: public life and be very content with that. I think
34:39
Speaker 24: all of America is just done with Hillary Clinton. That
34:42
Speaker 24: includes both Democrats and Republicans.
34:45
Speaker 1: The biggest miss than Joe Biden. That is saying something.
34:49
Speaker 3: Thanks to Tony again, Kristen, catch you next week.
34:52
Speaker 23: Thank you, Chris.
34:54
Speaker 3: If you are looking for a word to describe Hillary Clinton,
34:57
Speaker 3: that would be hard to go past deplorable it. Now,
35:01
Speaker 3: after the break, I'm going to catch up with Tim Blair,
35:03
Speaker 3: will try and unpack some of the energy madness coming
35:05
Speaker 3: your way thanks to Chris Bowen.
35:12
Speaker 1: Let's catch up as we do with Tim.
35:14
Speaker 3: Blair, who has been Adelaide at the moment, Collingwood supporter
35:19
Speaker 3: doing a former Collingwood supporter doing a bit of scouting
35:21
Speaker 3: on the Adelaide Crow's training track, no doubt.
35:24
Speaker 1: Tim, Hey, I'm good to talk to you.
35:26
Speaker 3: I want to show you something that happened in the
35:29
Speaker 3: in the Senate yesterday when they censured Pauline Hansen over her.
35:33
Speaker 1: Comments about Muslim as trainers.
35:34
Speaker 3: I mean, the Senate is basically a standing censure against
35:38
Speaker 3: Pauline Hansen.
35:39
Speaker 1: But have a look at some of the carry on.
35:42
Speaker 20: These young children being raped because no one wants to
35:46
Speaker 20: interfere or say anything because it's cultural.
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Speaker 17: Is that what you're trying to tell you?
35:51
Speaker 1: What I thought that you die?
35:54
Speaker 23: I'm not sure you are.
35:55
Speaker 1: You have no idea that thought. Do you have a
36:01
Speaker 1: point of order? I do?
36:02
Speaker 20: I just got called a bitch by the racist.
36:07
Speaker 3: Senator Lydia Thorpe, a senator for the great State of Victoria.
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Speaker 25: Your thoughts, well, we never want to see someone of
36:16
Speaker 25: such a delicate disposition as a senator thought being insulted
36:21
Speaker 25: in any ways. He's a gentle's she's has a rose
36:26
Speaker 25: like delicacy to her. And for anyone to say anything bad,
36:30
Speaker 25: anyone to use language that the senator would never use herself,
36:34
Speaker 25: I'm certain. I'm sure there's no public record of her
36:37
Speaker 25: ever being that sort of vitup health. I think it's
36:40
Speaker 25: a terrible shame, Chris, I really do.
36:42
Speaker 3: She should get some pretty thick skin given the barb
36:47
Speaker 3: she throws out there, for sure. Now I want to
36:49
Speaker 3: go back to our old mate, Chris Bowen. We talk
36:51
Speaker 3: about two things often with him. One is the silliness
36:54
Speaker 3: he brings to social media, and the other one is
36:57
Speaker 3: the serious damage he's doing to this country's energy grid.
37:00
Speaker 3: Let's start with the silliness on social media. Look what
37:03
Speaker 3: he's's a celebrating here.
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Speaker 26: One hundred and fifty two hundred and two hundred and
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Speaker 26: fifty thousand.
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Speaker 2: Two hundred and fifty thousands.
37:20
Speaker 3: Yes, he's celebrating two hundred and fifty thousand home batteries
37:25
Speaker 3: installed in Australia thanks to taxpayer subsidies.
37:29
Speaker 1: Is this a victory.
37:30
Speaker 2: No, as usual.
37:31
Speaker 25: There's so many things wrong with this, you've got to
37:33
Speaker 25: go through it layer by layer. For start, it's upper
37:37
Speaker 25: middle class welfare. This is money being paid. This is
37:41
Speaker 25: donations being made to reduce the bills of people who
37:44
Speaker 25: are richer than the people who are giving the donations.
37:46
Speaker 25: They're taking average way during as taxes and giving it
37:49
Speaker 25: to property owners who have got enough spear cash to
37:52
Speaker 25: put these batteries in. Secondly, it's fixing a problem that
37:57
Speaker 25: labor is causing. This is almost the way with power
38:00
Speaker 25: policy in this country. We cause a terrible sort of
38:04
Speaker 25: increases in prices and blockages of flow of energy, and
38:09
Speaker 25: then we reward ourselves and congratulate ourselves by giving a
38:12
Speaker 25: band aid such as these little batteries.
38:14
Speaker 1: It is lame talk about congratulating yourselves.
38:17
Speaker 3: I want to show you a clip here of an
38:19
Speaker 3: event where Chris Bowen is in attendance and the speaker
38:23
Speaker 3: here is David McCrae from the Smart Energy Council. In
38:27
Speaker 3: other words, the companies who benefit from the solar panels
38:30
Speaker 3: and subsidized batteries going in.
38:32
Speaker 26: Have a look that's from this warehouse and others like
38:35
Speaker 26: it around the country that every day thousands of batteries
38:39
Speaker 26: are going out into households being installed as part of
38:42
Speaker 26: the Australian Government's Cheaper Home Batteries program. And I want
38:46
Speaker 26: to pay a tribute to the Minister, Minister Chris Bowen
38:49
Speaker 26: for his leadership on this issue. Minister, as you know,
38:52
Speaker 26: this has so many this program has so many benefits
38:56
Speaker 26: to Australia.
38:59
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Minister were standing right next to him there
39:01
Speaker 3: reveling in this announcement.
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Speaker 1: And I did a little bit of checking.
39:05
Speaker 3: Do you know that taxpayers have forked out seven billion
39:10
Speaker 3: dollars into this program already and the middle class and
39:14
Speaker 3: upper class people, as you say, who can afford to
39:17
Speaker 3: take advantage of it, have pumped in another seventeen billion dollars.
39:22
Speaker 3: So all up, twenty four billion dollars has gone into
39:26
Speaker 3: these renewables energies.
39:27
Speaker 1: Companies to buy batteries from.
39:29
Speaker 3: You guessed it, China, No wonder this guy loves the policy.
39:35
Speaker 25: I love all those billions you just mentioned for something
39:38
Speaker 25: that the chat from Smile Energy described as cheaper power.
39:43
Speaker 25: Australia has the world record most expensive cheaper power. Fantastic.
39:50
Speaker 1: It's all will you. It's war is peace, it's war
39:53
Speaker 1: is peace stuff.
39:54
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us. Tim tim Blair there from the
39:57
Speaker 3: Daily Telegraph. Read his stuff on the website. On the
39:59
Speaker 3: other side of the break, catch up with Suzi O'Brien
40:01
Speaker 3: and Stephen Senate Tempa on how the Victorian government want
40:05
Speaker 3: pretty much wants everyone to have the right to work
40:07
Speaker 3: from home. Let's go to Stephen and Susie as we
40:14
Speaker 3: do on a Tuesday, great to catch up and against
40:16
Speaker 3: Suzi O'Brien, national Education editor for News Corps, and Stephen
40:20
Speaker 3: Senate Tiempo hosting Bracky Radio in the nation's capital. Let's
40:26
Speaker 3: start off. I want to start off with the front page.
40:28
Speaker 3: I want to show you both this. You may not
40:30
Speaker 3: have seen it living in your respective cities. This is
40:33
Speaker 3: the front page of today's Daily Telegraph in Sydney and
40:37
Speaker 3: the headline there sympathy for the Devil. This is about
40:40
Speaker 3: those Muslim communities, Muslim communities that are glorifying the atoll
40:46
Speaker 3: and the former Supreme Leader of the RUAN killed in
40:50
Speaker 3: those American Israeli strikes.
40:51
Speaker 1: Stephen. It's a great headline, but I think it sums
40:54
Speaker 1: up the way most Australians would see this.
40:57
Speaker 3: How you could possibly have sympathy for a terrorist dictator
41:02
Speaker 3: is beyond me.
41:05
Speaker 27: Yeah, and none of the government ministers that will questions
41:07
Speaker 27: on it today could bring themselves to condemn it fully
41:10
Speaker 27: and suggest that there should be charges lay. But imagine
41:12
Speaker 27: how you are if you're a member of the Persian community,
41:15
Speaker 27: or a member of the Jewish community, or even a
41:17
Speaker 27: member of the Iranian diaspora who's had to flee around
41:20
Speaker 27: because of the actions of this absolutely irreputable human being,
41:24
Speaker 27: who thankfully is no longer with us. Talk about social
41:28
Speaker 27: cohesion and this is the kind of rubbish we allowed
41:30
Speaker 27: to allowed to go on in a democratic nation like Australia.
41:33
Speaker 27: I think shame on us because this is what we've become.
41:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so weak from us that the strongest words
41:39
Speaker 3: the government could come up with is inappropriate. And it
41:42
Speaker 3: seems Susie that hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not
41:45
Speaker 3: millions of taxpayers dollars are going to some of these
41:49
Speaker 3: organizations who are glorifying a terrorist leader, the man responsible
41:54
Speaker 3: not only for the constant repression of women, but for
41:57
Speaker 3: the murder of dissidence of people by terrorists around the world.
42:04
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, it's you knew that he was dead
42:07
Speaker 7: because people finally were able to party on the streets,
42:10
Speaker 7: to celebrate on the streets, because an action like that
42:14
Speaker 7: could see you dead. And for people to be celebrating
42:19
Speaker 7: the death of this kind of or to be saying
42:22
Speaker 7: that it's you know, to be mourning the death of
42:25
Speaker 7: this person, it's just absolutely mind blowing. The Iranian as
42:29
Speaker 7: you say, they're Iranian DearS, Bora, They're not the ones
42:32
Speaker 7: who are doing this. It's people who are who have
42:35
Speaker 7: their own political agendas, and it absolutely should be condemned
42:40
Speaker 7: in the strongest possible way.
42:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is such a worry that there are people
42:44
Speaker 3: in this community who feel this way and need to
42:47
Speaker 3: glorify this man. It gets very tricky, Stephen, because he
42:51
Speaker 3: is he did have the mantle of being a religious
42:54
Speaker 3: leader as well, so there are people who belong to
42:56
Speaker 3: certain congregations who think that he should be glorified. But
43:01
Speaker 3: I mean, you can't use religion as an excuse here.
43:03
Speaker 3: I mean Jim Jones.
43:05
Speaker 1: Was a religious leader too.
43:06
Speaker 3: I mean, there's been plenty of despots who have been
43:08
Speaker 3: religious leaders.
43:11
Speaker 27: Well, Chris, I'm a committed Catholic, but I don't mourn
43:14
Speaker 27: the death of pedophile priests.
43:16
Speaker 17: I don't celebrate their existence.
43:18
Speaker 27: You know, I'm committed to the church, and I celebrate
43:20
Speaker 27: the good people within the church. But if there's people
43:22
Speaker 27: that do the wrong thing, they need to be condemned.
43:25
Speaker 27: And I understand that. You know, people of the Islamic
43:27
Speaker 27: faith have an affinity with other Muslims around the world.
43:30
Speaker 27: But this bloke was no adherent to the religion of police,
43:34
Speaker 27: a religion of peace that they supposedly adhere to. So
43:37
Speaker 27: if you're out there mourning this bloke and condemning those
43:41
Speaker 27: that actually took the action that killed this bloke and
43:44
Speaker 27: removed him from the despotic position that he had, and
43:47
Speaker 27: you need to take a long, hard look at yourself.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well said Steve.
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Speaker 3: And I want to go to the way some people
43:52
Speaker 3: defer to the United Nations and international law, which really
43:55
Speaker 3: doesn't exist in any meaningful form when it comes to
43:58
Speaker 3: judging the righteousness or otherwise of this war, of this
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Speaker 3: military action. Here's the former Prime minister, former Liberal leader
44:05
Speaker 3: Malcolm Tambule.
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Speaker 15: This war is clearly in breach of international law. I
44:10
Speaker 15: mean there isn't an international law in the world. It
44:13
Speaker 15: doesn't say it is. I mean it's clearly in breach
44:15
Speaker 15: of the UN Charter. The United States under the Trump
44:19
Speaker 15: administration expressly disavows international law.
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Speaker 3: So see there is the former Prime Minister of Australia
44:28
Speaker 3: effectively running the Iranian line.
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Speaker 7: These days, international law in the Trump era that we
44:37
Speaker 7: are operating in almost doesn't matter. I mean, the countries
44:42
Speaker 7: are starting wars, taking it upon themselves to launch missile strikes.
44:48
Speaker 7: They don't care about international law and it's almost like
44:51
Speaker 7: it's almost an irrelevance these days to be talking in
44:56
Speaker 7: those kind of terms. Is whether we are or not.
44:58
Speaker 7: That's the new that we are operating in. When you've
45:03
Speaker 7: got people like Trump.
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Speaker 3: Well yeah, well I wouldn't put it on Trump. I
45:06
Speaker 3: think Trump's stood up for what is.
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Speaker 1: Right and morally and needed, and is right in a
45:12
Speaker 1: security sense too, because the trouble.
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Speaker 3: Is Stephen that China and North Korea and Iran and
45:19
Speaker 3: Venezuela and Cuba, the list goes on.
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Speaker 17: They've never adhered.
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Speaker 3: To international law, and it's actually been used as a
45:25
Speaker 3: weapon to tie the arm of the one arm of
45:29
Speaker 3: the West behind its back. And too many leaders like
45:31
Speaker 3: Joe Biden and Barack Obama have allowed themselves to be
45:35
Speaker 3: constrained when Trump is just saying, we'll do what we
45:38
Speaker 3: need to do because international law is not actually a
45:43
Speaker 3: recipe for security, peace and justice.
45:48
Speaker 27: Can I just ask a question, bro of comments, who
45:49
Speaker 27: was that bloke you played the grape from before? I
45:52
Speaker 27: don't remember him? Moving on along though, But look, this
45:54
Speaker 27: is the point, Chris. It's only the Western world that
45:57
Speaker 27: has to adhere to international law. The African nation that
46:00
Speaker 27: have been carrying out real genocides for years, we don't
46:03
Speaker 27: worry about international law when it comes to them. As
46:05
Speaker 27: you say, China, Russia, North Korea, Venezuela, international law doesn't
46:09
Speaker 27: apply to them.
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Speaker 17: International law only applies to the West.
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Speaker 27: And if we're silly enough to play by their rules,
46:15
Speaker 27: and let's not forget that Russia has a permanent seat
46:18
Speaker 27: on the UN Security Council, and if that doesn't negate
46:21
Speaker 27: the entire UN, and China, of course, if that doesn't
46:24
Speaker 27: negate any purpose for the UN anymore, and any semblance
46:27
Speaker 27: of international law. I don't know what does If we're
46:31
Speaker 27: going to have, as you say, one hand tied behind
46:33
Speaker 27: her back and they don't have to, what's the point.
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Speaker 3: That's it in a nutshell, as long as China and
46:37
Speaker 3: Russia have permanent seats on the UN Security Council, it's
46:41
Speaker 3: a busted flush.
46:42
Speaker 1: And that's never going to change. We've got to take
46:44
Speaker 1: a break.
46:44
Speaker 3: We'll be back with Stephen and Suzie after this break
46:46
Speaker 3: and find out if Susi is one of those Victorians
46:49
Speaker 3: working from home. Let's get back to Stephen, Senter Tempo
46:56
Speaker 3: and Susio O'Brien and Susi. I want to start with
46:58
Speaker 3: you and get your take on just said to Alan
47:00
Speaker 3: the Victorian premier is new laws. She's bringing in laws
47:03
Speaker 3: to give everyone the right to work three days a
47:06
Speaker 3: week from home. And this is even going to apply
47:09
Speaker 3: to small businesses. This is chaos writ large, isn't it.
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Speaker 17: Well.
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Speaker 7: I mean she's setting herself self up on a collision
47:17
Speaker 7: course with a small business sector ahead of the November election,
47:21
Speaker 7: and I think she's picked this target very, very specifically.
47:25
Speaker 7: Seventy four percent of workers say they are fully behind
47:28
Speaker 7: these laws. They want to be able to.
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Speaker 1: Work from home.
47:32
Speaker 7: So it's I think there's a lot of small business
47:36
Speaker 7: owners that will be feeling very let down by the
47:38
Speaker 7: state government at this point and really looking to see
47:43
Speaker 7: the state opposition draw this as a kind of a
47:46
Speaker 7: line in the sand where they say we are with you.
47:49
Speaker 7: They are not, so that it can be you know,
47:53
Speaker 7: they can get something back because I mean a lot
47:56
Speaker 7: of small businesses will not be able to affward to
47:58
Speaker 7: have people working three week from home.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's obviously highly political, it's aimed at the election,
48:04
Speaker 3: and it's unworkable.
48:06
Speaker 1: Here's the premier.
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Speaker 13: If you can do your job from home, we are
48:10
Speaker 13: going to protect your right to do so, no matter
48:14
Speaker 13: the size of the workplace.
48:17
Speaker 3: Now, Steven, I've got to point out that we all
48:19
Speaker 3: support people being able to work from home.
48:21
Speaker 1: We support flexibility.
48:23
Speaker 3: But my point is most people are doing that where
48:26
Speaker 3: they can and where the business can allow them to. Now,
48:29
Speaker 3: mandating three days a week surely is going to create chaos.
48:34
Speaker 27: What a time to be alive, Chris. Where it's controversial
48:36
Speaker 27: to expect people to turn up to work. But I
48:38
Speaker 27: saw Albow at some conference in Melbourne recently saying they've
48:42
Speaker 27: got great coffee here in Melbourne despite the fact that
48:44
Speaker 27: Sydney and Adelaide both have better coffee anyway. But you
48:46
Speaker 27: can just see it, can't you the barista working from
48:48
Speaker 27: the couch at home, a little zoom screen where you
48:50
Speaker 27: order your coffee, and a remote control coffee machine. And
48:53
Speaker 27: then the owner says, you know what, I'll just get
48:55
Speaker 27: a vending machine in because it's cheaper.
48:56
Speaker 17: Then you won't have a job at all. How's that
48:58
Speaker 17: going to go for everybody?
48:59
Speaker 1: Now?
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Speaker 3: I know you turned up at the camera the Parliament
49:02
Speaker 3: House studio, Stephen.
49:04
Speaker 1: I saw pictures of you walking in.
49:05
Speaker 3: But Susan, you haven't got that background in the laundry
49:08
Speaker 3: at home, have you. You've gone into into the office,
49:11
Speaker 3: into the studio.
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Speaker 23: Well, you know it's it's funny.
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Speaker 7: Actually, newspapers, if anything, does actually support work from home
49:18
Speaker 7: because daily deadlines. So I spent too much cooking, cooking
49:22
Speaker 7: soup on the stove and not doing my job. I
49:25
Speaker 7: get found out the whole paper the next day. You know,
49:28
Speaker 7: people where you know it's a it's a small business
49:30
Speaker 7: and you don't have to do all that much.
49:32
Speaker 18: Then you know, like you could be.
49:34
Speaker 7: Very happily working at home, and you know, the business
49:38
Speaker 7: goes absolutely down. The down the hole, but yeah, I
49:41
Speaker 7: mean the whole thing. It has changed so much and
49:44
Speaker 7: people love it because they are doing less work.
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Speaker 3: I've done my show at home COVID Lockdown, so thanks
49:52
Speaker 3: for joining us, Susan and Stephen. I'll be moving to
49:54
Speaker 3: Melbourne and I'll do it from home the whole time.
49:58
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us all again.
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Speaker 1: I'll be back tomorrow night. Here's Credline with Steve Price hosting.
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Speaker 21: M hmmm
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Speaker 1: Mmm