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S5 183. The Gen 6 Worldview - MMS & Days of Noah · Millennial Mustard Seed

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That's tough. We're in a very tough spot.
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I think that what we're doing right now is a great benefit and
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virtue because it's an end around between this whole
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corrupt informational system, media system.
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We claim to believe in a God who spoke the universe into
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existence and literally raised himself from the dead, and yet
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we are not going to believe that anything else exists in the
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spirit realm, even though His word tells us that they do.
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Their bodies weren't permitted to go to sleep like humans do,
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and they weren't permitted to go to heaven, so they wander the
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earth. You know, I've seen the.
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Eyes turn black to unknown tongues being spoken.
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These giants would live way up in the highland.
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The young Braves, the young men would hide up in the trees and
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wait for one of these 12 footers to come walking down the bath
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and they would jump on them and kill them, drag them back to the
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village, and the village would feast on the body Marina.
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Then people start to get weapons, they start to get
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armor, they start to build cities, they start to fortify
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their cities. Now God looks down and there's
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violence everywhere. The battle, this war that we are
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at, is not against each other, it's against these
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principalities and these rulers and these archons in the high
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places. It's really worthwhile to read
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the Bible. Yourself.
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Fear is one of the primary drivers of mind control because
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we have to take every thought captive and resist fear.
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You're going to have a testimony that is a justice case against
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the Kingdom of darkness. Anybody in the church that
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doesn't take a position on Genesis 6, they're missing.
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That's, I mean, we, that's why we do this podcast, right?
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You know, it's, it's a foundational thing that opens
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your eyes to the Bible. The reality of what took place
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in Noah's time and what's taking place now, It has been hidden to
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a lot of people, many generations and even even
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present day. Satanic information technology.
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So that's the software for the the nano stuff, right.
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So when people are having these issues, when we look at patents
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right now, Yep, we can read patents right now and that
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material that they put in people, the software program can
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be targeted completely different for me or you than 100 other
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people in the room that aren't a threat.
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So like the world's not up to par with looking at things that
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multi layered and that much of an attack against the flock,
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especially those people who are Ephesian style exposing the
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enemy. So people think you're crazy
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sometimes and it's singled out. But my thing is, if you're
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leaving out other believers, like if, if we don't have a wide
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enough scope that it fits in everybody, like LA says, if one
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person's right, it busts the paradigm.
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So we have to actually have a Berean mentality to study in the
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Word of God with a readiness of mind that if we can find in the
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Word, not just answers in Genesis, but anywhere in the
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Word, that would compartmentalize and justify in
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the truth to an experience or something that's happening.
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Modern daytime Bereans would accept it with a readiness of
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mind because it could be found in the Word.
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So that's just a Berean that has no religious affiliation.
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No, it's just this is the Word of God.
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I can find it. I can see it here.
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I trust the Word of God now. We agree with these quotes,
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therefore we need to understand Genesis 6 one through 4.
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For example, he says we can't give up on the foundation of the
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Bible as truth when we try to argue apologetics.
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People don't understand these topics because pastors are not
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teaching it. The attack is on the Word of God
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right from the serpent in the garden.
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Did God really say He says there's no neutral position.
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If you're not gathering, you're scattering.
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Churches are teaching all kinds of you on Genesis One through
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11, and that's not good. I'm agreeing and saying take it.
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Take what you were saying and apply it to Genesis 6 to
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understand how important it is to fight for every word of God.
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Every single jot and title that is recorded is important.
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It's there for a purpose and it has meaning.
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And we don't get to be neutral that we have to take a position
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on it because anything that we're neutral on or anything
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that is an error, the enemy can exploit down the road.
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Hey, Rod, what's up, man? What's going on, Pete, Luke.
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Luke can see you guys. Hey, guys.
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I gathered you all here today. So listen, I brought a rod in
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with Luke and I today because we had a fantastic interview with
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Brian Osborne from Answers and Genesis, and it was a lot of
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fun. It we talked about some really
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important topics and Brian's a great guy.
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And we we talked about the importance of the Bible of
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Genesis, of apologetics, about understanding that there are
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reasons for our faith that it's not just a blind faith, but we
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have good answers for things that the world has questions
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about. And one of the things I'll
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mention this to one of the things that while the main thing
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really that compelled me to reach out to them and try to get
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Ken Ham the the the president or CEO, if you will, of answers in
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Genesis on our show. And we ended up getting Brian
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was a talk that Ken did that I saw I thought was so important.
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And it was talking about how our young people are leaving the
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church in droves. And it has a lot to do with us
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being kind of in a post Christian, post biblical culture
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where it's almost like Acts 2 versus Acts 17 and Acts 2, it
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was Peter speaking to the Jewish people and they really just
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needed to accept the Messiah. But they basically had an
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understanding of, of God and their history, right?
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Their Old Testament history. And so it wasn't a big jump to
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get them to the Messiah. So they already had that, that
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culture of understanding. And in Acts 17, it was more the
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Greek culture of God, which God, you know, or like Pilate said,
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right, truth, What is truth? And so we've said this, Luke and
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I on our show often that we need to have better answers for these
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things in the Bible that people love to throw at us and say,
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what an awful God to send the flood to command the killing of
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all these people in the Old Testament.
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And they see the Old Testament God as a very different God than
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the God of the New Testament. And I submit we are not
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understanding the depth of the perversion and corruptness and
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violence of the Old Testament, why these drastic measures were
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necessary. So that's kind of a long winded
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intro to say understanding the Bible properly is important.
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And a lot of the notes that I'm going to go off of today with
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Rod and Luke came from preparing to talk to Brian, Brian Osborne
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from Answers in Genesis. So this is not a beat up on, on
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Brian or Ken or any of that, but it kind of spurred something in
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us as Luke and I kind of set out to do this podcast journey with
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a, I'll call it a Genesis 6 worldview.
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To borrow Mike Kyser's The Deuteronomy 32 worldview phrase
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that if we understand who the sons of God are in Genesis 6, as
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Steve Quayle has said, it is a Rosetta Stone for understanding
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the biblical narrative as a whole.
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Well, just a comment. I mean, you know, honor and love
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is obviously the goal with the body and these pockets that need
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that that have a need to be met, right?
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Where we have Berean mentalities, we're finding stuff
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in the word and and as time goes on, you know, studying the Bible
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in its ancient cultural context is actually so important that it
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lines these things up and makes it undisputable, right?
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So there's like the the Greek mind mindset, right?
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And then there's this ancient mindset.
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So I think just as a believer, somebody who doesn't like
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beating up on bad opinions, let's say a Sethite view, I
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still work with people who have a Sethite view because my main
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goal is salvation and having better answers and serving the
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King of Kings, right? Like literally taking a position
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where it's like, if it's non salvational, it's still
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important because the ripple effect has been demonstrated
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from people all around the world on this little mustard seed show
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over here, right? We got people that are coming
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out and saying this was helpful. Why have I been alone on this
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information? So we know God is working in a
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mysterious way where he's bringing stuff together.
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And just a comment real quick on the fact that we have a whole
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can of worms in the reality check and humility of God saying
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things like seal up these words to Daniel, you know, and then
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all of these things happening at the end of the age.
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So it would be really, in my opinion, disingenuous for me not
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to have an open mind and to listen to anecdotal evidence and
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also be honest with my own experience that I believe
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there's so much more going on in the word of God than what the
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church that that I had visited recently would like, like to
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believe. And I think we're really
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forefront runners in that way. And it's not easy being a
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pioneer. So balancing it with like the
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Berean mentality, personal experience, respecting and
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honoring the Word of God, and then realizing you're pioneering
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somewhere where many people are not ready to go.
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And we mix all that together. And here we are with smiles and
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with prayer and with the right posturing heart, in my opinion.
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So thank you for inviting me, Pete, and it's always good to be
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with you and your brother Luke. Yeah, good to have you.
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Yeah. So you know, any of our
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listeners who have been with us from the beginning or have gone
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back to the old episodes, you know, this is where we we
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started who are the sons of God in in Genesis chapter 6.
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And it's very hotly debated the the commonly held view and the
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most taught view in seminaries and then by extension most
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churches is, as Rods mentioned, the Sethite view that these sons
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of God were not angelic, heavenly divine beings, but just
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humans. Now, we're not going to spend
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this episode talking about all the reasons why we think that's
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incorrect, although we'll mention a few.
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But go back and listen to our first two episodes and also
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episode 35 with Doug Van Dorn, where Doug lays out how the Jews
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had an understanding of these two powers in heaven.
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And the late Michael Heizer would often talk about this,
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that they looked at the verses in the Old Testament and they
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saw these two Co equal divine figures.
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And they're like, huh, OK, well, they seem to be on equal
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footing. All right, I can accept that.
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That's what the word of God says.
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And yet when the Messiah came and they rejected the Messiah
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because they were looking for the conquering king, and instead
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they got the suffering servant and they missed him.
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Well, they couldn't have a divine figure taking human flesh
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because that that would give credence to the Messiah that
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that's how he came. And so they looked back at
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Genesis 6 and they're like, Oh no, we can't have angels taking
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human form and having relations with human women.
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So it became punishable by excommunication.
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It was heresy, even unto death in some cases, for people to
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hold the angelic, supernatural view of Genesis 6.
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So let's go ahead and read that just to bring some of our
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listeners up to speed. We've referenced it a lot so,
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but I don't want to skip over it.
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So Genesis 6 And it came to pass, when men began to be
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numerous upon the earth, and daughters were born to them,
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that the sons of God, having seen the daughters of men were
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beautiful, took to themselves wives of all whom they chose.
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And the Lord God said, My Spirit shall certainly not remain among
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these men forever, because they are flesh, but their days shall
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be 120 years. Now the giants were upon the
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earth in those days and after that when the sons of God were
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want to go into the daughters of men, and they bore children to
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them, those were the giants of old, the men of renown.
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Now a lot of your Bible versions will not say giants, they'll say
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Nephilim. That's actually taken from the
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Masoretic text. The Masoretic is the Hebrew Old
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Testament, which actually was not compiled until at the end of
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the 1st century and not completed until about the 9th or
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10th century. All of the references of the Old
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Testament that we have in the New Testament, in the Gospel and
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other places, from Paul, from Jesus, they were quoting from
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the Septuagint, the Greek translation.
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And it's my opinion that there is a Masoretic text compromise
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in light again of rejecting the Messiah.
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So we have literally the word giants.
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So there isn't any confusion over who the Nephilim are.
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And let's be clear, you can't get giants from 2 humans.
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We're not talking about someone with giantism who dies at 30
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years old, right? Who's like 7 foot 10 and spindly
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legs right? These were men of renown.
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I mean you can look up the weight of Goliath who is a small
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giant by comparison. Look at the weight of his armor
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alone. This was not a six foot four
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guy. There's no 6 foot four guys who
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are running around in 200 lbs of battle gear.
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So why is this so important? Like why did I want to do a show
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about this? Every word of God matters and if
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Satan can get a hold of something that we don't
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understand or where we are in error about, he can exploit it.
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It might be hundreds of years later, and here we are in 2024,
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and most of modern Christianity in the West thinks that the sons
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of God in Genesis 6 are either divine kings like human kings,
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or from the line of Seth. And it matters.
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It matters to how we defend the faith.
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So man, I couldn't agree more. And when I had this question
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asked to me and I actually shared it on an interview that
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should be coming out in the month of May on another show,
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right? But they said, why is the Divine
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Council worldview important for you, right?
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And I had to go back to this thing that happened in, I don't
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know, maybe it was 2014, 2015, where I'm a new Christian at the
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time. I, I'm totally focused on
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growing and knowing who Jesus is going to church, going to Bible
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studies. But I was preaching the gospel
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to an old friend in Phoenixville, PA.
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And he stops and looks at me and says, I grew up in the church.
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And if you can tell me why God was saying to murder women and
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children in the Old Testament and that he loves me and he's
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calling me to repentance today. If you can give me a good reason
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for that, why God doesn't seem bipolar, I can possibly wrestle
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with religion again, like, And it shut me down because as a
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young and new believer, I had no argument for that.
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I knew the stories in the Old Testament.
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And at around that time is when I'm just getting familiar with
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Canary Cry Radio, LA Marzulli, some of these people who went
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before us, right? But I didn't have a personal
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response for that because I didn't understand the threads
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like the seed war in the Bible. What seed are we talking about
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here? How many rebellions are there in
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the Bible? Now?
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The reason I'm bringing this up is because I have a personal
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motivation to have better answers as well.
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I'm not just going to nod my head with what any and every
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denomination out there decides that they're willing to go into.
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I think there's a higher standard than that.
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Every yacht and every title will not fade away.
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It will all come into perfect order.
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Even this space within the spaces is calculated and
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measured according to the eternal God of all creation.
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And when he has a thread that's in the Bible where we have a
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seed war, what's in the hosh? I mean, if we really want to be
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Bereans and and understand the the cultural context of the day
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that the Bible was written, the culture that it was written to
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and how it is to inculcate every generation because it's eternal.
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The the word of God is settled in heaven eternally.
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He changes not, so we have to have better answers.
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When I started to understand and see the rebellions throughout
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the word of God. When I started to see that
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literally tameem is what Noah is mentioned as.
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He was found righteous, perfect without blemish.
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The Hebrew word is tameem. It's the same word used to
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describe the sacrifice of a lamb that was perfect and without
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blemish. We're talking genetics here.
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We're not talking some moral compass, right?
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So when I started to see that stuff come together from the
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great minds like Doctor Michael Heizer, you know, LA Marzulli,
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all these other people that were going before us and actually
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setting the stage and just going, I'm not going to protect
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you from your Bible anymore. I was able to wrestle through
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it, prey on it, read it, and then give better answers.
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That same friend literally called me today, 4/18/2024 and
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it's a whole different conversation Now When I say that
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humbly, I don't say that with any pride.
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I say that because I did not know what to do back in 2014,
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2015 when I got hit with that question.
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But I prayed and God said to me, hold on, keep me.
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Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and his righteousness, and he
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shall add on to you. So we need better answers for
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what's going on today. There's a million messages
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causing confusion and chaos. Come on.
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That's a broken record note on my show on the Mustard Seed.
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But at the end of the day, this stuff is in the word and we have
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to rightfully divide it and we have to rightfully be able to go
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in there and give these these better answers.
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So I would just say we need to spend, you know, the time equal
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and humility that we do in research while we're doing this
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stuff. And I would say just from
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getting to know Pete and Luke, you guys are an example of that.
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Like we really care about what we're talking about here.
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This is not for controversy or argument's sake.
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We're we're trying to get down to the nitty and gritty, if I
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could say it that way. We're I'm just going to throw
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out, you know, some bullet points and some notes and you
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guys feel free to jump in with your thoughts.
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So that's not just me kind of going on a rant the whole time,
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but I'll just start here. You know.
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Jude 1/3 It was needful for me to write unto you and exhort you
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that ye should earnestly contend for the faith that was once
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delivered unto the Saints. And so that's what we're going
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to try to do with the time that we have tonight is just
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earnestly contend for the faith. So one of the things that I had
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written in my notes as I was kind of contemplating these
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ideas, you know, there's a lot of mysteries in God's Word, but
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they're not. Most of them, if not all of
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them, are not mysteries because we don't have enough information
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to discern what is being said or because he deliberately withheld
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essential clues. But because they take greater
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diligence to understand, they take more work, they take more
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information, they harmonize with the whole council of scripture
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instead of creating contradictions.
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You know, Chuck Missler, who Rod looks up to quite a bit, and I'm
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getting into his Revelation studies right now on YouTube,
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which is fantastic by the way, says to avoid one verse proof
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texting. Don't just take a verse and try
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to understand something. Use the whole council of
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scripture and don't just appeal to mystery and say ah we just
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can't understand the ways of God or try to explain the hard parts
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away. God meant for us to understand
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His Word. If you don't mind, I'll just
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read one of these quotes from Missler real quick.
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A perspective should be. The perspective should be
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consistent with the whole council of Scripture.
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And then Heiser paraphrases. He says we need to get serious
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about interpreting the Bible in the context of the original
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audience at the time it was written.
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There was only one correct interpretation for the intent of
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the author, the author of the audience at that time it was
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written. And so the ancients knew all
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this stuff that's been hidden from us.
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So the language is being used there.
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It's, it's, it's hard to get people today to really
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understand that they, they were aware of what Pantheon's where
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they knew there was lowercase G gods all over the place.
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They knew there were spiritual covenants and threshing floors
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and agreements and all this stuff.
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And we're kind of just discovering this now.
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We were talking about this before we started recording.
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You know exactly that. I mean, the, the early church,
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the disciples, the Israelis of that day, they understood.
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The Book of Enoch, they understood what what that meant.
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And then you're right, Pete, it, it was twisted to fit a
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religion. And you know, people were
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persecuted if you believe something different.
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But here we are in the last 100 years, I would say really the
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last decade or two, it's really exploded where you, you, you
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start hearing Genesis 6 and the seed war.
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You're starting to see it more and more and more.
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And that's, you know, awesome. Because I mean, we started this
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podcast because we're trying to understand Genesis and tie it
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into what Jesus was saying as it was in the days of Noah.
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It's going to be like that when I return.
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So if he's coming during our generation, if we're part of the
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last day church, what was it like during Genesis Six time?
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So it is important to understand the scripture and what that
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context truly meant. And Luke referenced the seed
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war. And if you guys have heard us
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mention that and when this episode airs, you'll have
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already listeners, you'll have already heard our interview with
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with LA Marzulli. And he says that it was so
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pivotal for him when he heard Gary Stearman of Sky Watch TV
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layout how foundational Genesis 315 is.
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So Luke and I, and here we are with Rod talking about the
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importance of Genesis 6. Take it back a few chapters.
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Genesis 3 is where it starts. So you have the serpent
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beguiling the woman and Adam and Eve's sin and the curse that God
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puts on the serpent. And then we have this
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pronouncement of of judgment. Genesis 315 I will put enmity
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between you and the woman. He's got his speaking to the
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serpent here, Satan, and between your offspring and hers.
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He will crush your head and you will strike his heel.
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And so this seed war is, and again, if you look up the, the,
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the word for seed or offspring in this context, this isn't like
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in the New Testament where you know, you were of your father
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the devil, right? That was, that was a metaphor
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when it was saying you're of the type of that you're, you know,
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you're not following God in this verse.
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It literally means like seed as in offspring, like genetic
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offspring. So this is the seed war set in
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motion. And Genesis 6 was Satan's
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attempt to mess with God's human image bearers on earth and try
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to corrupt that seed in a way God showed his hand a little bit
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in Genesis 315. He says, hey, I'm going to have
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this against you. Yeah, he was, but he's playing
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4D chess. 5D chess. Well, however you want to
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describe it and you know he, he still caught the devil off
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guard. I mean, even though the devil
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was messing with genetics, which you know, end result, Noah's
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flood messing with genetics or judgment wise, you know, all
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these babies are being killed in Egypt, the time of Moses, time
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of Jesus, you know, you had two years old, Herod was killing
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babies 2 years old and younger, you know, so the devil knew
27:35
there was something going on with the seed, with offspring,
27:38
with genetics and he was trying his best with the clues he was
27:43
given. You know, even blatantly God
27:47
said try to beat me with this but he can't, you know?
27:54
And it just reminds me like Stephen was stoned to death,
27:57
right, because he gave such a beautiful overview of what the
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Spirit put on his heart to the teachers themselves.
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So we have to remember that the Ruach, the Holy Spirit leads us
28:10
into all truth. He's our teacher.
28:12
It's it perplexes me. You know, even the idea of you
28:17
brought up Jude 1/3, right? We are compelled to write and to
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urge to contend for the faith that was once entrusted to all
28:24
the God's holy people. Holy is separate and set apart,
28:27
right? It means you're set apart now,
28:29
holy. What does God say in his word?
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He has set Jacob apart for himself.
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The other nations were given to other gods.
28:39
What were the other gods involved in pantheonistic views?
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It's written on rocks. It's, I mean, you can't get
28:46
around it. You'd have to have your head in
28:48
the sand to not see it, pun intended.
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Especially if you're in Egypt or the Middle East.
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I mean, the stuff is all over the place there.
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So God, he sets his people apart, makes them holy.
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They're separate, sacred, apart from everything else.
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And he says I am their God, the one and only, right?
29:07
Even the Jews say the Lord our God is one, right?
29:11
So we're contending for the faith in the sense that these
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lowercase G gods are real according to the Word of God and
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the Nephilim offsprings are recorded in the eternal Word of
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God and the evidence for them is there.
29:23
Just like if you're, how could you not see the physical
29:27
evidence? You look at geology.
29:29
We we we study geology to support the Bible.
29:32
Well, what if we looked at the hieroglyphics?
29:34
If we look at the megalithic structures that have been
29:36
established all over the world? Pete, we did the weird Wisconsin
29:39
episode. We got dirt man, dirt effigies,
29:42
all kinds of stuff coming out of Wisconsin here in the States.
29:45
And that's not even ancient territory that we have great
29:49
record of information because a lot of it is passed down oral
29:52
tradition from the American Indians here in the States,
29:55
right? So when we look at locations
29:57
that are undisputable, we go to Petra, we go to, I mean, the
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list goes on and on. But the idea here is if we use
30:04
the same template to study archaeology or geology and say
30:08
this has to be true because XY and Z lines up, I don't know how
30:12
we couldn't read the Bible like a Berean, see the evidence for
30:15
these seed wars, see the threads that go through all these
30:18
rebellions and actually zoom out now to the macrocosm and look at
30:22
the temples, the what's etched in rock about these battles, in
30:28
these wars. And I think that's where we
30:31
really need to push that perspective too, because it gets
30:34
people out of the theological, I'm inside the wall, the
30:38
building in the seminary preference right now.
30:40
It starts to take you. And like LA says, I'm not an
30:44
armchair researcher. This is what LA Mazzoli says.
30:47
He's like, my, my boots are on the ground.
30:49
I'm going to these locations. Well, dude, I counsel in person
30:53
and and over the phone people who are satanic ritual abuse
30:56
survivors. I've been doing, you know,
30:59
behind the scenes delving into this stuff for years, telling
31:02
people pray, break these chains, bind it in the heavens.
31:07
There's power in the name of Yeshua, right?
31:09
So I see the evidence just in the spirit realm that that's my
31:14
template. And then when I look at the word
31:15
of God, all of this stuff fits together.
31:18
And I feel like I went on a bit of a rant there, but I really
31:20
just jumped in my spirit. Like, you know what, We have
31:23
evidence in other places where people can use these methods to,
31:27
to say this is undisputable. It's true.
31:29
But then it's interesting why they can't do that with the very
31:32
thing they say they represent. I'm I think it takes some
31:35
humility, right? Like they're doing something
31:37
right, we're doing something right, they're doing something
31:39
wrong, we're doing something wrong.
31:40
We all have a little something right and a little something
31:44
wrong. Yeah.
31:45
And it, you know, one of the things I had in my notes is, you
31:50
know, put the Bible aside for just a second.
31:54
Like Rod said, if we didn't have all of this geological,
31:59
historical, archaeological evidence, finding these giant
32:03
skeletons, having all of these accounts all over the world of
32:08
people seeing these beings. Josephus writing about it in the
32:12
museum in his day, you know, one of the most revered historians
32:18
of the Jewish time Second Temple.
32:21
You know, we have all that evidence.
32:23
If we didn't have any of that stuff, then maybe maybe we could
32:27
say, oh, shoot, hey, Rod Luke, maybe, maybe I'm messing up on
32:32
what the sons of God mean in the Bible.
32:34
Maybe, but I I submit to the you that the only exegetically that
32:40
means taking out of the Scripture, not isageting putting
32:43
into the Scripture your own your own presuppositions.
32:47
The only exegetically sound way of interpreting the sons of God
32:52
is angelic beings. The Banay Elohim Job is the
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oldest book in the Bible in the law of first mention as a
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hermeneutic is it sets the stage for how that word or phrase is
33:07
used later in Scripture. And Banay Elohim means a means a
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direct creation of God when the lineage of humanity is
33:16
presented, the only one that's called a son of God is Adam
33:20
because he was a direct creation.
33:23
Other than that, it is a divinely created being, the sons
33:29
of God. OK.
33:31
But yes, we have all of this outside of the Bible evidence
33:35
too. So really, like Luke was saying,
33:39
you know, it's for a religion. We're trying to protect a
33:41
worldview. And unfortunately, I mean, guys,
33:45
I could do a whole show on the damage that I think Augustine or
33:49
Augustine, however you pronounce it as done to Christianity when
33:53
it comes to what is now Calvinism, when it comes to the
33:59
Sethite view, interpreting Genesis 6 naturalistically.
34:03
He was so influential in his day and to this day in modern
34:09
Christianity. That's why we have those views.
34:13
And it is so damaging to the word of God and to the character
34:19
of God and it it's so, so unfortunate.
34:24
Anyway, let me get back on track here.
34:26
Mike Kaiser says that Genesis 6 is a polemic against the
34:32
Mesopotamian context of the Anunnaki.
34:36
This was research that really began in earnest not until about
34:40
2010, he says. Right.
34:43
So all these seminaries who for hundreds of years are teaching
34:47
this Sethite view of the sons of God, they don't understand the
34:53
context. As Heiser says, for the time in
34:56
which it was written, Genesis is setting the record straight.
35:02
We have the fake news version out there, right?
35:05
The Anunnaki Genesis 6 is a polemic against that.
35:10
That's why it's mentioned. It gives us a narrative to
35:14
understand our Old Testament. And Rod, I think you were
35:20
talking earlier about knowledge increasing in latter days.
35:24
Is that from Daniel? Yeah, that's from Daniel.
35:28
And I just heard Chuck Missler on one of his Revelation series
35:34
mention that his opinion and other scholars is that when it
35:38
says knowledge will increase in latter days, it isn't
35:41
necessarily talking about knowledge in general.
35:44
It's talking about knowledge biblically, scripturally.
35:48
Now, isn't that interesting that as Luke said, just in the last
35:53
couple decades, these things are really overwhelmingly the
35:59
evidence and you know, talking about Nephilim, talking about
36:05
sons of. God I almost feel like that
36:06
scripture could be multi layered and I agree with you that things
36:11
that were hidden Speaking of Genesis 6 the seed war, the true
36:15
meaning of the book of the book of Enoch period was basically
36:21
abandoned as far as or even lost.
36:24
I don't know what's full history, but until recently, but
36:28
I feel like as far as the knowledge part, I feel it's,
36:31
it's not just the the knowledge of the scriptures being
36:37
available to us and it's a new revelation and we're really
36:40
understanding it like we should again here in these last days.
36:43
But I, I almost feel like I looked at the Industrial
36:47
Revolution, you know, as being knowledge increasing.
36:52
I mean, how many hundreds of years did we go through and
36:57
didn't have electricity? And then all of a sudden this
37:00
explosion of knowledge, it, it almost echoes what took place
37:06
during Genesis 6. There was a trade and then there
37:10
was a transfer of knowledge. They had technology back then
37:15
that we don't even have today. So there was a gap, you know, so
37:20
they had it. They were, it was genes, genes,
37:23
the flood. There was, you know, basically
37:25
everybody started over and then there was basically over 1000
37:30
years, right? You know, where we're, we're
37:34
relearning things. So what, what happened, what
37:38
happened, you know, where knowledge is increasing.
37:41
And then we're just like, wow, you know, we're figuring things
37:45
out. Maybe it's because Jesus is
37:47
coming back. For sure.
37:52
And the multi layered idea just to highlight that.
37:55
Spot on, Luke, spot on. And let me just ask a question,
37:59
not that I'm looking for a response from either one of you
38:02
to comment on it if you would like to, But in the New
38:06
Testament where the author says the angels that disrobed of
38:11
their former estate just want to drop that one, let the audience
38:16
investigate that. I believe Chuck Missler talked
38:19
about what they disrobed of was ocarion is the Greek word for
38:23
that fleshly body. And one more thing I want to
38:26
bring up, if angels were able to materialize and dematerialize,
38:31
right? I asked Gary Wayne on A2 part
38:34
series I did with him recently. What are the invisible ones in
38:38
the invisible, the visible ones, how are they in direct tandem
38:42
with each other? How are they operating?
38:44
Doctor Laura Sanger talks about Nephilim hosts, right?
38:48
So when Jesus is saying it shall be like the days of Noah at the
38:51
his second coming, that means there was a lack for a period in
38:56
between the days of Noah till his coming where these things I
39:00
don't think could fully materialize.
39:02
If you want to look at an Angel as being, let's just say
39:05
condensed energy or astral energy or something like that,
39:09
where the ones who have not fallen could appear before
39:13
Abraham and eat with him. There's stories where angels
39:16
would enter into a elemental, the fire, and ascend up to
39:19
heaven. It's all in the Bible.
39:22
I don't think it's poetic. I don't think it's like I write
39:25
poetry, Pete, You write poetry. Some of it's just not poetic in
39:28
that sense. But even though the Hebrew
39:30
poetic mindset wasn't for rhythmic of word, it was for
39:34
rhythmic of storytelling. But still, we can't look at that
39:37
in this this, this current cultural state and just dismiss
39:42
all of the case and the evidence that a Brian's mind can present
39:47
at a surface glance. That's in the word of God.
39:49
So when you say multi layered, Luke, I'm like jumping out of my
39:52
chair. Like I feel like I'd ramble for
39:54
like hours about all these little things that line up for
39:57
me. Personally, let's talk.
39:58
Let's talk about information and communication, right?
40:02
The most potent way to communicate something is
40:05
literal. Like if I'm like, if I want Rod
40:09
to to go down to the store and get me a gallon of milk, I'm
40:12
going to say, Rod, can you go to and I'll say the specific store.
40:16
I'll say the kind of milk. If I you know, if I'm really
40:19
particular, what kind of milk do I want?
40:23
Now you, you you take that different ways, allegory,
40:26
metaphor. And now what does he really mean
40:29
when he says milk? You know, it, it gets a little
40:32
nebulous. I think it's just like God to
40:36
have the multi layers, but he starts with the literal most of
40:42
the time because it is the most direct way to communicate
40:45
something. And I have to agree with with
40:48
the late Chuck Missler of taking what he calls a high hermeneutic
40:53
that we take the Bible for what it says.
40:56
God says what he means, and he means what he says.
41:00
And if he's saying that sons of God, Banai Elohim came down and
41:04
had relations that with women and literal giants, the
41:08
Septuagint translates it as Gigas giants.
41:13
OK? They weren't mincing words with
41:15
Nephilim. They didn't leave it
41:16
untranslated like the Masoretic Text did in most of our Old
41:21
Testaments. That's what it says.
41:24
That's what happens. Now.
41:27
You guys can go back to episodes 1-2 and 35 and and others and
41:33
look at the reasons why. There's just no getting around
41:38
that. These were angels that did this.
41:40
But let's talk a little bit about information.
41:43
We have, as Gary Wayne put it, the interpretive approach came
41:48
in, in the last few 100 years versus the literal approach.
41:51
Our seminaries were teaching pastors to look at an
41:55
allegorizing. Most of our, most of our
41:58
churches today look at, for example, the Book of Revelation
42:02
as allegory, metaphorical. They don't take it literal when
42:07
it comes to the Millennium, when it comes to all these things.
42:10
Same with Genesis. You have progressive
42:12
Christianity. That's that's saying, oh, these
42:15
are just meant to to pass on timeless truths.
42:20
And yet here's Answers in Genesis, this fantastic
42:24
organization who is showing there's literally physical
42:28
evidence for this biblical flood.
42:32
Like you're not going to have these things any other way.
42:36
And then they try to make, you know, we try to make evolution
42:40
or old earth cosmology try to fit with the Bible when it just
42:44
doesn't work because now then you've got sin and death
42:48
entering the world before the fall of Adam and Eve.
42:53
It doesn't work. So if we're starting with the
42:56
Bible 1st and we don't give up ground on the Bible, I got there
43:01
some great quotes here from Ken Ham of Answers in Genesis I want
43:05
to read. There's too much at stake.
43:10
We can't give up the foundation of the Bible as truth when we
43:13
try to argue apologetics. So what that means, guys, is we
43:18
don't, we don't say, oh, this person doesn't believe in the
43:20
Bible, so I'm not going to use it.
43:24
People don't understand these topics, Ken says, because
43:27
pastors aren't teaching it. That's right.
43:32
The attack is on the word of God, right from the serpent in
43:35
the garden. You guys remember, what did he
43:38
say to Eve? Did God really say so?
43:44
The attack on the word of God, and this is, I don't know if I
43:47
mentioned this earlier in our recording, but I'll say it now.
43:52
One of the biggest jobs of Satan is to take meaning away from
44:00
things, to dilute meaning. You know, words hardly hold any
44:07
meaning anymore. Kids are growing up not
44:10
understanding the roots of, you know, cuss words where they came
44:14
from. All these words had meaning.
44:16
They came they they were put together over time and we have
44:21
such a a post Christian world that that it's like Satan just
44:27
revels in that because now it now you can fill in the blank of
44:30
any meaning that you want. Some other quotes from Ken.
44:34
The attack is on the word of God right from the serpent of
44:36
garden. There is no neutral position.
44:39
If you're not gathering your scattering.
44:41
We can't be neutral on the word of God.
44:44
And churches, he says, are teaching all kinds of views on
44:48
Genesis one through 11. And that's not good.
44:54
And that's why I think it's just so important that we hold up an
44:59
understanding of who the sons of God and the Nephilim are and why
45:03
it's so important to understand it literally.
45:08
It answers a few things that are crucial to show why the severity
45:13
of the flood and the conquest of the Canaanites was necessary.
45:18
Because God's character is at stake.
45:22
Because people are rejecting God.
45:24
Because no one is telling them the real context of the days of
45:27
Noah. And to be a champion for
45:32
biblical literalism and integrity.
45:36
We just can't afford to let errors in.
45:39
We need to preserve and champion the literal truth of what
45:42
happened in Genesis 6. In Second Timothy 2:15 it says
45:47
study to show themselves approved unto God a Workman that
45:51
needeth not to be ashamed, but rightly dividing the word of
45:55
truth from a fellow institute similar to answers in Genesis,
46:02
the creation Research Institute for from creation research
46:06
website. Rather they have this.
46:09
This command is for us to give diligence.
46:12
The Greek spudazo for God's approval by rightly dividing the
46:16
word of truth. That which is to be rightly
46:19
divided is not in doubt. That which is to be rightly
46:24
divided is not in doubt. Sanctify them through thy truth.
46:29
Thy word is truth. John 1717.
46:33
The end goal is to display yourself as one who is therefore
46:37
approved by God. The key is to rightly divide the
46:40
scriptures. The Greek word orthotomeo, only
46:46
used this one time, has several shades of meaning.
46:49
To cut straight, To cut straight ways, to proceed on straight
46:54
paths. Hold a straight course to make
46:58
straight and smooth, to handle a right, and to teach the truth
47:02
directly and correctly. And that's why this stuff is
47:09
important, guys. There is one proper
47:12
interpretation for any section of scripture, although many,
47:16
many applications and perhaps layers of meaning.
47:20
But there is one interpretation for what that author was trying
47:25
to communicate to his audience. And if we don't understand that
47:32
in every area of Bible of in every area of the Bible, that is
47:36
an area for Satan to exploit. I would say Amen to echo the
47:44
scriptures you know about studying to show thyself
47:47
approved. I, I think when you were reading
47:50
that I was, I was, I was thinking as like, man, I, I need
47:53
to be praying that over myself. When I mean daily, you know,
47:58
what is, what does the scripture say about wisdom?
48:03
I mean, it's the foremost thing to get and to have.
48:07
So I would put both of those together, you know, when it
48:10
comes to reading and understanding and to rightly
48:15
dividing the word, rightly understanding the word and, and,
48:21
and pray for wisdom that we will be able to consume it,
48:27
understand it, you know, retain it and then present it as, as
48:34
the, as, as the Scripture says that we're supposed to be ready
48:38
at all times to give an exclamation or not an
48:43
exclamation explanation, lose it act.
48:48
That's the word for our faith. And just as we wind down, you
48:55
know, Pete, you had mentioned a couple minutes back, you know,
48:59
in Revelation, you know, when we open the Book of Revelation, it
49:05
says to us this, this is the knowledge, the details of the
49:10
Lord Yeshua, of the Lord Jesus Christ.
49:13
Like do we think that there's no multi layered meanings with the
49:21
Lord? Do we think that he is not the
49:25
one who understood He would be crucified before the foundations
49:29
of the earth that we walk and tremble upon The enemy's real
49:34
you guys, and the enemy has a real plan to keep you from
49:38
understanding who he is and the way that he works.
49:42
And when the Bible warns us to be as wise as a serpent but as
49:45
harmless as a dove, to not be ignorant to the devil's devices,
49:50
to expose the darkness, the fruitless seeds of darkness, and
49:53
have nothing to do with those who contribute to the evil
49:55
right. I say that from the standpoint
49:59
of not only can we recognize the enemy has been attacking the
50:04
word of God, attacking your peace, your life, but he also
50:11
was very interested, very invested in you not knowing his
50:20
presence in the Old Testament, the New Testament and the days
50:24
that we live in, in the format of a real appearing enemy to
50:32
Hasatan. I don't think there's one of
50:34
them. You guys, there's not one of
50:38
them because in Genesis, if if the the serpent deceives Eve and
50:43
and he's no longer allowed to move around, he's restricted to
50:48
the ground. How in job or is he going up to
50:51
the throne room? How is he on the dirt in his
50:54
belly? So I'm alluding and just kind of
50:57
playing with these ideas as we wind down here.
51:01
It hoping to challenge the audience to really solidify
51:04
everything we've talked about and for them to study to show
51:07
themselves well approved. I don't think that there's one
51:09
enemy. I don't think there's one guy
51:11
responsible for trying to deceive us.
51:13
I don't think that there's one Nephilim.
51:15
I don't think there's one invisible one.
51:17
I think there's many of them. And don't give Satan any more
51:23
ground by rejecting the fact that God is telling you the
51:26
spiritual battle is real, that God is telling you that he has
51:30
armor for you to put on and a Berean mindset that he can work
51:34
in and through you to actually let these things be made known
51:37
deep with it within us as we testify here on this episode.
51:44
It's always an honor to get together with both of you guys,
51:46
man. And just planting seeds.
51:49
Here I am thinking out loud most of the time just planting seeds,
51:52
but I, I believe that God is calling me to that and so much
51:56
more. So thank you for just letting me
51:59
plant seeds here with you guys tonight during this
52:01
conversation. I wish we had more time.
52:03
We could probably do like a 3-4 hour symposium and still not get
52:07
through enough material. There's so many people that need
52:10
to be shouted out who went before us who literally have
52:14
this stuff laid out. It's undisputable because it's
52:17
in the Bible. Yeah, it's incredible.
52:19
So thank you. Thanks, Rod.
52:22
It's incredible. When we were talking to LA and
52:25
as I was getting ready for that interview, he mentioned and
52:30
after the top of my head, I I don't recall it, but when this
52:34
post, if you guys go back an episode and listen to it, it's
52:37
in there. The gentleman that wrote the
52:40
book that LA ordered from his local books, his local bookstore
52:46
in 1990, guys, That's how he heard about the Nephilim.
52:53
And we just released an episode with Derek Gilbert and it was LA
52:59
that introduced the Nephilim to him, even though it's in our
53:02
Bibles. And it was Luke, my brother,
53:07
introducing the Nephilim to me. It was Randy Demane.
53:10
What? Are the sons of God Randy?
53:11
Demane introducing it to me so. Yeah.
53:16
So like like Rod's saying, we're spreading these seeds guys.
53:19
This is important information for what is to come, for what is
53:24
the days of Noah for understanding our Bible,
53:27
understanding the narrative of what took place in the Old
53:30
Testament, and part of what Jesus came to accomplish in the
53:35
New Testament to destroy the works of the devil.
53:41
And when he declared himself at the foot of Mount Hermon and
53:46
asked who do you say I am, And said that Peter answered rightly
53:53
that he was the Christ. It was right at that base of
53:59
this angelic rebellion that took place for the exchange of women
54:07
for knowledge. So these days are upon us.
54:11
They are returning. We need to have better answers
54:16
for the skeptic. Very thankful, Rod, for sharing
54:19
that story that you mentioned there about someone who had that
54:23
very question. We don't know what everyone is
54:29
going to need to check off their list before they're ready to
54:34
give their heart to the Lord in faith.
54:37
We all have kind of our our list.
54:39
If we're not there yet. There's some things that are
54:41
just kind of in the way. And you know, some people are
54:47
like Thomas, we need to put our hands in the side and in the
54:52
hands of Christ and go, OK, I can feel you and see that.
54:56
Yep, that was where the nail was that you were on the cross for
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me. We, we don't take everything on
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faith. So apologetics are important to
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give a reason for our faith. And the great thing about truth
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is it stands up to scrutiny. It will stand up to the test.
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There was some great advice in in one of Chuck Missler's
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Revelation videos on YouTube. I'm going to post a link to
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that. There's several channels that
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have all 24 episodes. It's over 30 hours of content,
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guys. Something you can put on while
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you're working in the garage or out in the yard or something.
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But he says if you have you come across an area scripture that
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you don't understand, you're not sure what it's saying it it
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seems to contradict with something else.
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Get a notebook or use a notepad app in your smartphone and jot
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that down and then ask God's Spirit to reveal to you what
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that is and be expectant that he's going to reveal that.
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And it might be, you know, somebody says something to you
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at the grocery store a week later and it triggers a thought
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and then suddenly it will make sense.
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But there are answers for the deep questions of Scripture.
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And hopefully Luke and Rod and myself can help encourage you
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guys listening that the word of God is trustworthy.
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You can bet your life on it. So with that, we will wrap up on
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the Days of Noah podcast. Thanks Rod, for this one.
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Yes, thank you Sir. Always enjoy.
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Planting seeds alongside. Of the both of you for sure.
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Until next time. Until next time.
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Anybody in the church that doesn't take a position on
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Genesis 6, it's a foundational thing that opens your eyes to
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the Bible, the reality of what took place in Noah's time and
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what's taking place now. We agree with these quotes.
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Therefore, we need to understand Genesis 6 one through 4.
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For example, he says. We can't give up on the
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foundation of the Bible as truth when we try to argue
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apologetics. People don't understand these
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topics because pastors are not teaching it.
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The attack is on the Word of God right from the serpent in the
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garden. Did God really say he says
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there's no neutral position if you're not gathering or
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scattering? Churches are teaching all kinds
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of you on Genesis one through 11, and that's not good.
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I'm agreeing and saying take it. Take what you were saying and
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apply it to Genesis 6. Understand how important it is
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to fight for every word of God. We don't get to be neutral that
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we have to take a position on it, because anything that we're
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neutral on or anything that is an error, the enemy can exploit
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down the road and he stops. And looks at me and says I grew.
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Up in the church and if you can. Tell.
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Me why God was saying to murder women and children in the Old
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Testament, I can possibly wrestle with religion again like
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and it shut me down because as a young and new believer, I had no
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argument for that. I didn't have a personal
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response for that because I didn't understand the threads
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like the seed bore in the Bible. What seed are we talking about
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here? So when I started to see that
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stuff come together from the great minds like Doctor Michael
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Heizer, you know, LA Marzulli, all these other people that were
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going before us and actually setting the stage and just
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going, I'm not going to protect you from your Bible anymore.
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I was able to wrestle through it, prey on it, read it, and
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then give better answers. That same friend literally
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called me today and it's a whole different.
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Conversation now. And I say that humbly.
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I don't say that with any pride. I say that because I did not
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know what to do back in 2014, 2015 when I got hit with that
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question. Music.