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Sharri | 17 February · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening tonight, our exclusive story exposing more doctors and
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Speaker 2: healthcare workers who say they don't want to treat Jewish
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Speaker 2: patients while others praise hummus. The Bangstown nurses video is
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Speaker 2: just the beginning this prejudice in the healthcare system right
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Speaker 2: across Sydney and Melbourne. I'll bring you that expose in
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Speaker 2: a moment. Plus economists accuse Labor of pressuring the IBA
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Speaker 2: ahead of its rates decision tomorrow. Judah Sloan says the
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Speaker 2: Albanezy government has sailed very close to interfering in the
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Speaker 2: independence of the Reserve Bank. This as Labor has manipulated
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Speaker 2: a video of Peter Dutton to make it look like
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Speaker 2: he wants to kill off Medicare, when in fact the
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Speaker 2: full clip shows him saying the precise opposite, and rogue
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Speaker 2: Senator Fatima Payman has come out swinging in defense of
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Speaker 2: well you guessed it, the two sacked Sydney nurses. I'll
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Speaker 2: talk about those offensive comments with Kelly Sloane later and
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Speaker 2: stick around because that big expose is coming up in
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Speaker 2: just a minute. But first tonight, the polls are reflecting
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Speaker 2: how we're all feeling about Albansi that voters are sick
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Speaker 2: of this weak prime minister after just one term. It's
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Speaker 2: not that he's quintessentially a bad person. He's just an ineffective,
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Speaker 2: insipid prime minister who hasn't shown leadership at a time
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Speaker 2: our country desperately needs it. This is very personal to
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Speaker 2: alban Ezi. News poll today shows that the majority of
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Speaker 2: voters don't believe his government deserves to be re elected.
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Speaker 2: His approval rating is at a record low of thirty
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Speaker 2: seven percent and his net negative approval rating is at
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Speaker 2: the lowest since he became leader, minus twenty one percent.
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Speaker 2: Labour's primary vote at an equal record low of thirty
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Speaker 2: one percent, while the coalition's primary at thirty eight. On
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Speaker 2: a two party preferred basis, it's sitting at fifty one
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Speaker 2: to forty nine the coalition's way now. The OS reports
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Speaker 2: that this is still half the size of the swing
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Speaker 2: the coalition needs to win majority government and this means,
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Speaker 2: according to the polls, which aren't always right, that at
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Speaker 2: the moment, a hung parliament is the most likely outcome.
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Speaker 2: But don't forget the US election again. The polls are
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Speaker 2: predicting very close outcome between Trump and Kamala Harris, and
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Speaker 2: it ended up being a landslide for Trump. In this case,
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Speaker 2: the overall sentiment is clear. Fifty three percent of voters
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Speaker 2: said it was time for a change of government, and
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Speaker 2: this includes in Queensland, Victoria and New South Wales. And
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Speaker 2: despite Labor trying to run their tired campaign claiming that
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Speaker 2: women don't like Peter Dutton will, the figures show that
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Speaker 2: there was little difference among gender lines on the question
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Speaker 2: of whether there should be a change of government. And
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Speaker 2: this is precisely why Albanezi is desperate for a rate
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Speaker 2: cut tomorrow. It's why labor MPs have been openly pressuring
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Speaker 2: the RBA, despite the fact it's meant to be independent,
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Speaker 2: and despite the fact many economists are worried that the
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Speaker 2: RBA will cave into populous pressure in a way that
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Speaker 2: sets back the fight against inflation. Labor and ps, though
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Speaker 2: showed none of that concern today, publicly mounting the case
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Speaker 2: for a cut ahead of tomorrow's meeting.
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Speaker 3: They've taughtened their budgets, They've made sacrifices and because of
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Speaker 3: that we've got inflation down and that they deserve rate relief.
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Speaker 2: I want to cut gear and I want to cut.
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Speaker 2: My job is to stand up for my community, and
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Speaker 2: we need a cut, preach cheap, cheap, well we all would.
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Speaker 2: Well you know, any of us have got a mortgage'.
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Speaker 4: Like one, that's for sure.
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Speaker 2: Many economists argue that while headline inflation is now within
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Speaker 2: the RBA's two to three percent target, this is, as
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Speaker 2: you know, because it's been artificially lowered by Labour's energy subsidies.
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Speaker 2: And the economists say this is only temporary, and headline
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Speaker 2: inflation is expected to rise back above target once the
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Speaker 2: subsidies stop. Underlying inflation still remains above three percent. Former
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Speaker 2: Treasury Assistant Secretary David Pearl wrote a sharp and quite
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Speaker 2: brilliant piece in The Australian Today where he argues that
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Speaker 2: if the RBA cuts rates prematurely when they need to
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Speaker 2: be later corrected, then our inflation problem will be worse
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Speaker 2: and the credibility of the RBA in tatters. He writes,
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Speaker 2: this ugly and sustained public pressure put Bullock in an
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Speaker 2: extraordinarily difficult position. To use one of her favorite phrases,
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Speaker 2: She's had to tread a narrow path, balancing loyalty to
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Speaker 2: her staff and policy principles on the one hand, and
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Speaker 2: the need to avoid a public split with the Treasurer
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Speaker 2: on the other. He says, at the RBA board meeting,
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Speaker 2: Bullock is likely to face her moment of truth. Will
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Speaker 2: she do the right thing for the Australian people or
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Speaker 2: adopt the line of least political resistance? And Warren Hogan,
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Speaker 2: who will be here on the show tomorrow night, after
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Speaker 2: we know the outcome of the rates decision, well, he says,
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Speaker 2: the RBA definitely shouldn't cut rates. He says our economy
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Speaker 2: isn't ready for it, and the case for it is.
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Speaker 1: I think the problem for the market is the market's
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Speaker 1: perceiving a many economists that there is a political inference
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Speaker 1: here that the pressure's on. And when I said, I'm
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Speaker 1: not saying that the government seeing they're telling the RBO
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Speaker 1: what to do, but we know there's a lot of
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Speaker 1: people in there telling them what to do, who.
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Speaker 5: Are ends of the garbment.
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Speaker 2: So this rate's decision will be a test for the
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Speaker 2: RBA and its independence. It will be a test for
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Speaker 2: Michelle Bullock and her ability to withstand pressure from Jim
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Speaker 2: Chalmer's close friend, the Treasury Secretary, Stephen Kennedy. He has
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Speaker 2: a seat on the board and you imagine he'd be
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Speaker 2: mounting the case for a rate cut very strongly. Of
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Speaker 2: course a cut will be celebrated by families doing it tough,
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Speaker 2: who haven't had mortgage relief since November twenty twenty. But
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Speaker 2: if the RBA doesn't withstand the political meddling and succumbs
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Speaker 2: to the pressure, then the board has to be very
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Speaker 2: careful that it doesn't contribute to the inflation crisis. We've
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Speaker 2: all been battling, all right, reaction. Now let's bring in
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Speaker 2: our political panel, former Chief of Staff to Bill Shott
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Speaker 2: and Cameron Milner and former pres Secretary for Scott Morrison
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Speaker 2: Andrew Caswell. Welcome to you both. Cameron, look the figures
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Speaker 2: in newspol today it says they point to a hung parliament.
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Speaker 2: But do you think that's where we're headed or do
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Speaker 2: you think the polls will be wrong like they were
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Speaker 2: with Trump and Kamala Harris.
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Speaker 5: Well, I think these numbers are devastating for labor because
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Speaker 5: this is the first term government that over half of
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Speaker 5: Australia doesn't think deserves to be re elected. That's unheard off, Sharlie,
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Speaker 5: unheard off. But as you've been discussing with your viewers,
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Speaker 5: and we've been discussing on a weekly basis. This government
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Speaker 5: has been our slide for a long time. It's fundamentally
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Speaker 5: weakened its position through self indulgence and slackness and laziness
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Speaker 5: and ultimately fundamental weakness. Fundamental weakness, and voters don't vote
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Speaker 5: for week But come. That's the point before about the RBA.
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Speaker 5: I mean, it's a huge political decision for Michelle Bullock
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Speaker 5: to make tomorrow. Is this going to be the mates
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Speaker 5: rates cut? Because that's the only thing that could possibly
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Speaker 5: come out of tomorrow If she bends the political will,
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Speaker 5: she's gifting gifting Albow a cheap win.
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Speaker 2: And it's also not just about the political win, Andrew.
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Speaker 2: It means that our inflation fight has the economists say,
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Speaker 2: could be set back, that they might have to go
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Speaker 2: back into a position where they have to raise rates
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Speaker 2: further down the track.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: Look, Cherry, there's so much that hinges on tomorrow's decision.
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Speaker 7: And I think two weeks ago you would have been
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Speaker 7: a clear cut certainty for a yes to the cut,
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Speaker 7: but there's so much uncertainty that's now build into the
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Speaker 7: global economy, particularly with Trump's tariffs. They may want to
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Speaker 7: keep their powder dry, and that is a massive risk
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Speaker 7: for Anthony Albernezi, who has set his agenda based on
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Speaker 7: the fact that he is bringing down interest rates, that
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Speaker 7: he is bringing down inflation, and that is a massive
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Speaker 7: risk for them. So I think this election contest is
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Speaker 7: now up for grabs and if the Cut coalition are
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Speaker 7: that they are close enough, if they are good enough,
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Speaker 7: and it may come down to that fact whether they
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Speaker 7: are good enough, whether they are good enough in a
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Speaker 7: political context, whether they are good enough in the fight
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Speaker 7: that will happen in the next couple of months as
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Speaker 7: we wind down to this election. Are they good enough?
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Speaker 2: We're about to see And I think, you know, Peter
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Speaker 2: Dutton has done an incredible job mounting the case that
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Speaker 2: his that if he wins government, it'd be better from
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Speaker 2: a national security perspective. But Cameron, we probably need to
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Speaker 2: hear more from him about cost of living because you
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Speaker 2: don't see Angus Taylor around very much.
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Speaker 5: Well, No, Angus is the weak link, isn't he. I mean,
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Speaker 5: he's the guy who you don't really want in front
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Speaker 5: of the microphone. Unfortunately, So Peter's got some got some
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Speaker 5: players and his team who aren't pulling their weight, and
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Speaker 5: Angus is certainly one of them. But coming back to
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Speaker 5: the point before, I mean Albany's only beat Scott Morrison.
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Speaker 5: I mean you know, I mean it was a pretty
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Speaker 5: pretty basic win and he only beat himy a couple
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Speaker 5: of seats. So Dunton's got to have confidence that in
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Speaker 5: a real prize fight, Albo has played kind of you know,
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Speaker 5: the country country boxing match against the big heavyweight overweight
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Speaker 5: guy like it just beat him. You know, reality is
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Speaker 5: that Albo only jeats, just beat Scott Morrison. I think
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Speaker 5: he's in for a fight of his life against Peter Dubton.
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Speaker 2: I don't think Albert only just pete Scott Morrison. I
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Speaker 2: mean it was a pretty bad loss for the coalition.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Andrew, you'd concede that they're down to fifty
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Speaker 2: eight seats.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, thanks for that hospital past there, Jarry looked. I
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Speaker 7: think this is a government that's that had been in
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Speaker 7: government for for nine years, so there is a natural
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Speaker 7: attrition when that when it comes to that, and it
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Speaker 7: was a government that had to fight its way through
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Speaker 7: COVID and he's only still barely getting the recognition that
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Speaker 7: it deserves for doing that. But I agree with Cameron
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Speaker 7: and the point that this is a government that is
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Speaker 7: facing a potential wipe out if all things go to
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Speaker 7: plan from the coalition side.
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Speaker 2: After one term, after three years.
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Speaker 7: It hasn't happened exactly years.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you both. I think the polls
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Speaker 2: aren't accurate and I think themim is clearly in Dutton's direction.
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Speaker 2: You know the sentiment that that newspert today show that
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Speaker 2: majority of people do not think Albanezi deserves a second term.
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Speaker 2: That is cemented he is seen as a week leader.
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Speaker 2: Because he is a week leader, people can see who
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Speaker 2: he is and they usually get this right. Now, have
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Speaker 2: a look at this labour knows it's in trouble and
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Speaker 2: so it's already playing, you know, some dirty tactics and
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Speaker 2: it's been caught out. The Albanesi government manipulating an old
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Speaker 2: video of Peter Dutton from a twenty fourteen press conference
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Speaker 2: to make it looks like you want to kill off Medicare.
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Speaker 2: Here's the ABC report.
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Speaker 8: Does Peter Dutton really want to get rid of Medicare?
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Speaker 9: That's what this video would have you believe.
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Speaker 1: We're very clear about this.
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Speaker 10: Medica is dead. They can't be for free. We have
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Speaker 10: to pay for a world class medical system. The thing
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Speaker 10: is his words have been taken completely out of context,
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Speaker 10: but we've found an original version.
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Speaker 9: We're very clear about this.
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Speaker 10: Medica is dead. We can't make it sustainable today. That
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Speaker 10: last bit was pretty important, Cameron.
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Speaker 2: I seem to recall that Labor wanted to introduce laws
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Speaker 2: against misleading conduct and scare campaigns like this.
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Speaker 5: They did. But look, Labour's so desperate. I mean this
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Speaker 5: smacks of desperation, that doesn't it. I mean, clipping and
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Speaker 5: mashing together some words from ten years ago. I mean,
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Speaker 5: this is desperate, desperate politics from Labor. And if this
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Speaker 5: is the best they've got, we're in for a very
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Speaker 5: long campaign. I might add, though, that the people who
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Speaker 5: are advising Albo and his campaign were the same ones
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Speaker 5: who advised the Yes campaign. So maybe this is about
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Speaker 5: as good as they're going to get.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Andrew, it's actually not just this ad campaign,
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Speaker 2: but I've heard Labor ministers on breakfast television in recent
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Speaker 2: days saying the same thing that Darton wants to kill
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Speaker 2: off many care. I mean it's just false.
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Speaker 7: Well, it's a pattern of deception that we're seeing now.
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Speaker 7: And look, we shouldn't be surprised. I mean, this is
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Speaker 7: the party that has pursued electoral victories on the back
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Speaker 7: of liars, misinformation and character assassination. They've made an art
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Speaker 7: form out of it, so we shouldn't really be surprised here.
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Speaker 7: But on the flip side, if I was a play
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Speaker 7: Devil's advocate, there is a door that's been opened by
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Speaker 7: the Coalition in the way they talk about services. We
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Speaker 7: all want smaller governments, we all want less breadth in
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Speaker 7: government departments. But having that debate in public is a risk.
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Speaker 7: It does open up the Coalition to these types of attacks.
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Speaker 7: Now they don't need to go that far, they don't
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Speaker 7: need to employ deception. They just need to have that
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Speaker 7: natural debate with the Coalition on whether government should be
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Speaker 7: bigger or smaller.
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Speaker 2: Well as speculation for a hung parliament is heating up,
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Speaker 2: there's a tension turning to which way the Tills would
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Speaker 2: support if there was a hung parliament. Now. Interestingly, Alegraspender
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Speaker 2: came out on the weekend and said she's open to
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Speaker 2: working with Peter Dutton have a look.
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Speaker 11: I take things on the basis of the arguments and
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Speaker 11: on the basis of the evidence and I'm very open
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Speaker 11: to working with a coalition government, and I'm open to
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Speaker 11: working with the Labor government, but that depends on what
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Speaker 11: they're actually going to put on the table and the
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Speaker 11: seriousness frankly of what they're putting on the table as well.
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Speaker 2: Cameron, isn't this Allegra trying to win support in her
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Speaker 2: electorate of Wentworth, which is increasingly turning to Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 2: So she's trying to say, yep, it's fine to vote
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Speaker 2: for her. She might support Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 5: And obviously the cocktails with Albow and Tony Burke didn't
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Speaker 5: do much because there she is out supporting potentially Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 5: But the reality is that Allegras must have seen the polling.
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Speaker 5: I mean, the Liberals are a strong chance of knocking
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Speaker 5: her off in Wentworth, strong chances knocking her off. So
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Speaker 5: she's desperately, cravingly telling Chial voters that oh it's okay
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Speaker 5: because she's really a sly Dutton voter. No, I'm sorry,
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Speaker 5: if voters in Wentworth want Peter Dutton as Prime Minister,
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Speaker 5: they should vote Liberal.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, CARSI I think you know, Allegra might be open
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Speaker 2: to supporting Darton, as she says, but you look at
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Speaker 2: the other tials and I mean, you think there's no
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Speaker 2: way they'd back Peter Duarton in a hung Parliament.
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Speaker 12: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: I think for Allegra this is part posturing but also
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Speaker 7: part this is naturally where her politics do fit. I
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Speaker 7: think she has that ideology that more suits the moderate
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Speaker 7: side of the Liberal Party. So I think I think
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Speaker 7: would naturally count very moderate, but certainly it would be
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Speaker 7: on that side of it, So she would. She would
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Speaker 7: also have been in the back of her mind what
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Speaker 7: happened to the last two turncoats that turned on their
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Speaker 7: Conservative electorates and put Julia Gillard in for another three years.
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Speaker 7: They would toast when the electorate got their baseball bats
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Speaker 7: and taught them lesson. So I think that is in
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Speaker 7: the back of their mind. The Jewish community would also
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Speaker 7: be in the back of their mind. Would Jewish Australians,
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Speaker 7: many of whom live in that electorate, want Albernezi for
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Speaker 7: another three years? I strongly doubt that.
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Speaker 2: Though, and I would say most of the Jewish community
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Speaker 2: would be voting Liberal this election. Single issue voters, there's
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Speaker 2: nothing more important than the safety of your children and grandchildren. Now,
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Speaker 2: before we go, I want to ask you about this
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Speaker 2: horrific story. Today, a Jewish business in Melbourne became the
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Speaker 2: latest target in this anti Semitism crisis. Andy Semite spray
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Speaker 2: painted the words gas the Jews and a swastika on
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Speaker 2: this store in Melbourne. Remember they said, oh, the protesters
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Speaker 2: never said gas the Jews. They said, where's the Jews?
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Speaker 2: Well it's here in black and white. Now. What's so
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Speaker 2: sad about this is that the founders of this company
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Speaker 2: where it was spray painted were Holocaust survivors and their grandson,
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Speaker 2: j Huda Gottlieb told Sky News Digital Today that his
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Speaker 2: grandparents actually escaped Europe and came to Australia looking for
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Speaker 2: a better life and to have those words written on
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Speaker 2: their business, which is what they would have experienced in
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Speaker 2: Europe more than eighty years ago, and why they fled
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Speaker 2: Europe and why their families were persecuted. He says, it's
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Speaker 2: quite shocking in something they never would have thought that
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Speaker 2: experience in Australia. Cameron, this is Melbourne, Oh it is,
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Speaker 2: and it's just terrible.
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Speaker 5: And I grew up there and it's just awful, awful
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Speaker 5: to see my old home city with such disgusting hate
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Speaker 5: disgusting hate Sharhi. But look it's happening on Albanese's watch.
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Speaker 5: This hasn't happened before in Australia. It's happened because of
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Speaker 5: Albanize's weakness and acquiescence, acquiescence on the issue of anti
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Speaker 5: Semitism driven by some of his highest profile ministers as well.
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Speaker 5: That's unfortunately the price we're paying as a community for
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Speaker 5: his weakness.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, all right, Cameron Milner Andrew Caswell, thank you both
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Speaker 2: very much for your time. All right now to our
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Speaker 2: big exclusive story. The Bangstown nurses video shocked us all
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Speaker 2: but it turns out it's just the tip of the iceberg.
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Speaker 2: We can tonight further expose a toxic and racist culture
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Speaker 2: in the Australian health sector, with shocking cases of doctors
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Speaker 2: praising her mus, saying Zionists should be destroyed, and one
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Speaker 2: doctor even said she doesn't want to treat Jews and
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Speaker 2: they're all still registered health professionals holding down jobs. Now,
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Speaker 2: Jewish doctors claim prejudice against them is systemic in the
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Speaker 2: health system, and more than two hundred and sixty wrote
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Speaker 2: to Health Minister Mark Butler get this. On the twenty
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Speaker 2: sixth of October twenty twenty three to raise the alarm,
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Speaker 2: but nothing was done. Their letter to the Federal Minister
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Speaker 2: asked him to instruct APRAA and the Australian Medical Council
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Speaker 2: to investigate specific instances of antisemitism, and this is what
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Speaker 2: their later said. They said, it is entirely unacceptable for
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Speaker 2: any medical professional to use their platform to spread discriminatory
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Speaker 2: or hateful remarks, especially in a divisive manner, and they
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Speaker 2: attached a dossier with the defenders. Now remember they wrote
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Speaker 2: this two weeks after October seven, and they also asked
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Speaker 2: Mark Butler to send a reminder to all medical professionals
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Speaker 2: around the country that hate speech violates the core principles
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Speaker 2: of healthcare. No action appears to have been taken, and
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Speaker 2: so the antisemitism has continued and Jewish patients were left vulnerable. Now.
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Speaker 2: In one of the most abhorrent examples, doctor Mohammad Ghilan
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Speaker 2: shared a post on social media saying and we'll show
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Speaker 2: it to you now, live like Sinhwa or die trying.
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Speaker 2: Another post of his shows the slain Hamas leader ya
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Speaker 2: Ya Sinwa saying humiliation will never be for us. Yet
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Speaker 2: another post says I am Harmas they are Hermas. We
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Speaker 2: are all Hermas.
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Speaker 6: Now.
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Speaker 2: This doctor was working at the Alfred Hospital in Corfield,
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Speaker 2: Melbourne until just three months ago. Three months ago Cawfield
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Speaker 2: in Melbourne, very Jewish area. Now Alfred Health told me
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Speaker 2: this evening and I'm quoting. Concerns about the doctor's online
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Speaker 2: activity were raised with us in November last year. He
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Speaker 2: was suspended from work and a workplace investigation into the
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Speaker 2: allegations commenced. Doctor Gilian resigned from our health service while
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Speaker 2: the investigation was still in progress, and the concerns raised
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Speaker 2: with Alfred Health were reported to both OPRAH and Victoria
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Speaker 2: Police at the time, so he wasn't even sacked, he
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Speaker 2: resigned and he remains a registered medical practitioner. Then there's
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Speaker 2: a doctor who's worked as a staff specialist at Bankstown Hospital.
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Speaker 2: So let me repeat that again. This is a different
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Speaker 2: doctor who's worked as a specialist at Bankstown Hospital and
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Speaker 2: one of her social media posts says, I'm quoting now
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Speaker 2: what does hamas mean in Arabic enthusiasm, fire, intense interest
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Speaker 2: and heartiness. Now. She also shared a post written by
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Speaker 2: someone else that says, don't give Zionists an inch. These
21:17
Speaker 2: are people manufacturing an antisemitism crisis to defend mass murder
21:22
Speaker 2: and settler colonialism. Stay Laser focused on ending the Holocaust
21:27
Speaker 2: in Palestine and dismantling the Zionist entity in its entirety.
21:33
Speaker 2: So posts shared by another specialist at Bankstown Hospital, another
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Speaker 2: Western Sydney Local Health District junior medical officer. He wrote
21:44
Speaker 2: in a post that every Zionist young to old is
21:48
Speaker 2: a psychotic maniac. In another, he said anti Semitism is
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Speaker 2: just a weaponized cop out to protect this criminal entity,
21:57
Speaker 2: which is Zionism and all it's and he also re
22:02
Speaker 2: shared a post that said Zionists need to be defeated,
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Speaker 2: crushed and utterly removed from power. He wrote, and I'm quoting,
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Speaker 2: there is no such thing as a good Zionist, a
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Speaker 2: salvagible Zionist, any supporter of Israel is a rotten human.
22:17
Speaker 2: If nobody had any sympathy for the Nazis, nobody should
22:21
Speaker 2: have any sympathy for any of these people. A junior
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Speaker 2: doctor working in Western Sydney. Now, one of the worst
22:30
Speaker 2: examples I've seen is of another Western Sydney doctor, and
22:36
Speaker 2: she wrote on Twitter, I've even become fearful when I
22:40
Speaker 2: see new patients with Jewish names book in with me,
22:46
Speaker 2: so she doesn't want to see new patients who are
22:49
Speaker 2: Jewish if she's become fearful of seeing Jews, of treating Jews.
22:55
Speaker 2: I mean, can you imagine how Jewish patients would feel
22:59
Speaker 2: ending up with her as a doctor. Not to mention
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Speaker 2: Jewish colleagues and one long term New South Wales health
23:06
Speaker 2: employee she's worked in Bankstown. She told me she's experienced
23:11
Speaker 2: both explicit and implicit anti Semitism. She's chosen to remain
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Speaker 2: anonymous and I wouldn't even if she wanted to give
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Speaker 2: me her name, I wouldn't broadcast it to protect her career.
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Speaker 2: In one instance, a manager, this is from this woman
23:26
Speaker 2: I spoke to today, she said. In one instance, a
23:28
Speaker 2: manager described someone as he's such an effing Jew. In
23:34
Speaker 2: another incident, a colleague said to her, there will be
23:37
Speaker 2: peace between Palestinians and Israelis when one side puts down
23:42
Speaker 2: their arms, and that side should be Israel. So he
23:46
Speaker 2: was implying that Israel should be wiped out. In fact,
23:50
Speaker 2: so prolific has the anti Zionist and anti Jewish movement
23:54
Speaker 2: been in the health sector that an Instagram account exposing
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Speaker 2: it has now been set up. It's called not my doctor.
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Speaker 12: Now.
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Speaker 2: We put some of these examples that are there in
24:06
Speaker 2: black and white the social media posts to New South
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Speaker 2: Wales Health this afternoon and the Secretary Susan Pierce told
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Speaker 2: us that her department is committed to combating anti Semitism
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Speaker 2: and hate in all its forms. But nothing at all
24:21
Speaker 2: about whether the specific doctors we've shown you tonight, and
24:25
Speaker 2: we gave her the names of them, nothing about whether
24:28
Speaker 2: they'll be investigated. Susan Pierce and the New Southwes Health
24:32
Speaker 2: Minister Ryan Park acted strongly when the banks Down nurse
24:36
Speaker 2: scandal emerged last week, and I think they now need
24:39
Speaker 2: to set up an inquiry. I mean, if I have
24:42
Speaker 2: been inundated with these examples in a few days, well
24:45
Speaker 2: imagine if they opened a hotline called for these incidents
24:50
Speaker 2: to be sent in and properly investigated. The authorities now
24:54
Speaker 2: can't just turn a blind eye to this. Patient care
24:58
Speaker 2: needs to be the same for all ethnicities and religious backgrounds,
25:03
Speaker 2: and every incident of discrimination in healthcare needs to be
25:08
Speaker 2: stamped out.
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Speaker 12: All right.
25:13
Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about that with Shadow Health Minister
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Speaker 2: Kelly Sloan later in the show. It is absolutely shocking
25:20
Speaker 2: and by the way, if you have experienced, if you
25:22
Speaker 2: know of other examples, please send them into me because
25:25
Speaker 2: we're not going to stop looking at this. It's important.
25:29
Speaker 2: But now let's return to newspoll and if you're just
25:31
Speaker 2: tuning in. Although Dutton has put the coalition within striking
25:35
Speaker 2: distance of the government, according to the News poll today,
25:38
Speaker 2: a hung parliament is the most likely outcome if you
25:41
Speaker 2: believe the polls. Let's bring in The Australian's chief political correspondent,
25:45
Speaker 2: Jeff Chambers. Jeff, great to see you. Look, what's your
25:48
Speaker 2: analysis of this latest News poll, especially talking to the
25:53
Speaker 2: point that it shows the majority of voters in Queensland, Victoria,
25:56
Speaker 2: New South Wales and now think that Albinizi doesn't deserve
26:00
Speaker 2: another term.
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Speaker 9: Hi, Sharry, These numbers are absolutely shocking for Anthony Albernez.
26:08
Speaker 9: His personal ratings are now at record lows. And I
26:13
Speaker 9: think what's going to be hard for polsters, as we
26:17
Speaker 9: had probably within weeks to an election, is to really
26:21
Speaker 9: determine that undercurrent. So you were talking about the US
26:24
Speaker 9: election a bit earlier, and you don't always pick up
26:28
Speaker 9: just how angry the mob is in certain regions, certain
26:31
Speaker 9: key electorates and while an incumbent first term government would
26:36
Speaker 9: expect the polls to tighten as we head towards election day,
26:41
Speaker 9: I think there are fears inside labor ranks that they
26:45
Speaker 9: are static and that they could potentially go backwards. On
26:48
Speaker 9: the other side of it, I think that Peter Dutton
26:52
Speaker 9: is obviously still in minus territory around his performance, but
26:57
Speaker 9: we've seen him getting out and about a lot recent
27:00
Speaker 9: times to try and build that profile and connect with voters.
27:04
Speaker 9: And as we head to election day, I think it'll
27:09
Speaker 9: come down to a choice really between two leaders and
27:12
Speaker 9: then that awful preferential system that we have in this
27:16
Speaker 9: country that really does favor one side, and you now
27:20
Speaker 9: throw the climate two hundred and the teals into the
27:23
Speaker 9: mix and it makes it really difficult for Peter Dutton.
27:26
Speaker 9: So I think the coalition we're really hoping to sort
27:31
Speaker 9: of push that primary vote up into the mid early
27:34
Speaker 9: to mids forty percent primary vote.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it has to hit at least forty
27:40
Speaker 2: one for him to have a chance of winning.
27:42
Speaker 13: Now.
27:43
Speaker 2: Jeff, you know you just mentioned there that there are
27:45
Speaker 2: certain regions that the News poll might not pick up
27:48
Speaker 2: on where you know there might be really angry voter sentiment. Well,
27:52
Speaker 2: we saw the Prime Minister being heckled by anti offshow
27:55
Speaker 2: wind farm protesters at a media conference in the Illawarra.
27:58
Speaker 2: Now that's a Labor strong This was on Friday. Have
28:01
Speaker 2: a look, yeah, Jeff, and we could see a lot
28:27
Speaker 2: more of that in the election campaign. But you know,
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Speaker 2: this is an example of what you're talking about.
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Speaker 9: Sorry, Shary, I think I've lost the audio feed here,
28:36
Speaker 9: so I might need to get that fixed.
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Speaker 2: Sorry about that, No worries. Can you hear me now?
28:40
Speaker 2: Or have you lost me entirely? I think Jeff has
28:45
Speaker 2: lost me entirely. Oh good, we'll get his analysis a
28:48
Speaker 2: bit later. We're still to come on the show. Judith
28:50
Speaker 2: Sloan says Labor is sailing very close to interfering in
28:53
Speaker 2: the independence of the Reserve Bank. Her analysis coming up,
28:57
Speaker 2: plus the move by Islamic leaders to blame the media
29:00
Speaker 2: and even Jews for the backlash to the nurse's video.
29:03
Speaker 2: I'll talk about that with Kelly Sloan after this quick break.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back. Well today, the Muslim vote independence, the Australian
29:16
Speaker 2: Federation of Islamic Councils and the Islamic Councils of Victoria
29:20
Speaker 2: and Western Australia have among others, signed a statement that
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Speaker 2: condemns the hypocrisy over nurses controversy. And as you might
29:30
Speaker 2: have seen by now, the rogue Senator Fadima Payman defended
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Speaker 2: the nurses. Have a look.
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Speaker 14: These individuals have been fired, banned from ever working as
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Speaker 14: nurses again, raided by police, placed under the most intense
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Speaker 14: public scrutiny, and now the ones being hospitalized, they've apologized, they.
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Speaker 12: Have been punished.
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Speaker 2: What is the end goal here?
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Speaker 12: What exactly are we trying to achieve justice or just
29:59
Speaker 12: public cafe humiliation. We never see the same level of
30:03
Speaker 12: anger and vitriol when the roles are reversed, she.
30:08
Speaker 2: Says, you never see the same level of public ango
30:10
Speaker 2: when the roles are reversed. But that's because the roles
30:12
Speaker 2: are never reversed. And when she says this is just
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Speaker 2: a comment, well that's trivializing or dismissing hate speech. She's
30:21
Speaker 2: implying it's not worthy of public outrage. And Fatima Payman
30:25
Speaker 2: says everyone should move on now because these nurses have
30:29
Speaker 2: been punished, but actually they haven't. No charges have been laid.
30:34
Speaker 2: We're waiting for new Southewlless police or the AFP to
30:37
Speaker 2: get their act together, all right, Johnny Minow Shadow New
30:40
Speaker 2: Southew was Health Minister Kelly Sloane. Kelly, thank you very
30:43
Speaker 2: much for your time and your work on this issue. Firstly,
30:47
Speaker 2: what's your reaction to this story that Alexi Demitriadez wrote
30:50
Speaker 2: in The Australian about the Islamic leaders coming out in
30:54
Speaker 2: a sort of defense of.
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Speaker 6: This video is deeply concerning and quite frankly, really troubling statement.
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Speaker 6: You know, what we need right now is leadership, moral conviction,
31:06
Speaker 6: empathy and understanding, and instead we have hate, we have
31:10
Speaker 6: victim blaming, and we have some sort of bizarre conspiracy
31:14
Speaker 6: that this is a political movement that we are confecting
31:19
Speaker 6: outrage and that's quite frankly absurd, because the concern about
31:23
Speaker 6: what happened last week by those nurses was real and understandably.
31:28
Speaker 6: What they have done is undermine the integrity of our
31:30
Speaker 6: health system. They have undermined their colleagues and they have
31:33
Speaker 6: made patients feel scared and we need to get to
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Speaker 6: the bottom of that, and we cannot do that by
31:39
Speaker 6: dismissing it, by hoping it will be that we can
31:41
Speaker 6: move on as Senator Payment said, we can't do that.
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Speaker 2: We need to shine a light on this. I think
31:47
Speaker 2: adding to this concern will be some of the examples
31:50
Speaker 2: that I've reported on air tonight where doctors still practicing
31:55
Speaker 2: in Western Sydney say, you know, they don't want to
31:57
Speaker 2: see Jewish names on their page patient list new patients.
32:02
Speaker 2: Other doctors who are openly supporting hermas the case in
32:06
Speaker 2: Victoria as well, a doctor who has stood down while
32:09
Speaker 2: his comments were being investigated, again openly supporting harmus in.
32:14
Speaker 2: This appears to be a widespread issue.
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Speaker 6: It feels systematic, and that is what the doctors are
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Speaker 6: telling us. I mean, that list that you revealed is
32:23
Speaker 6: so deeply shocking and unfortunately I've had similar stories since
32:28
Speaker 6: last week, doctors, nurses, other medical staff talking to me
32:32
Speaker 6: about what they are experiencing in the workplace, having to
32:36
Speaker 6: hide their Jewish identity, being cut out of WhatsApp groups,
32:41
Speaker 6: but even worse, being targeted with hate speech. I spoke
32:44
Speaker 6: to an anithetus today from Melbourne who told me about
32:47
Speaker 6: a patient, a Jewish patient, very sick in hospital. The
32:51
Speaker 6: family comes to visit and there are stickers behind his
32:54
Speaker 6: hospital bed saying boycott Israel and Free Palestine. I've seen
32:59
Speaker 6: those stickers. I mean, it is shocking to see that
33:01
Speaker 6: that is happening. And you know, we should have known
33:04
Speaker 6: about this earlier, and indeed the alarm bells were ringing earlier.
33:08
Speaker 6: And if there is any good that has come from
33:10
Speaker 6: last week, it is that we are listening. Now, we're listening,
33:14
Speaker 6: and we must act.
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Speaker 2: Well, we're listening. But I'm worried about what action APRA
33:19
Speaker 2: has taken because you know, a lot of people are saying,
33:22
Speaker 2: or not a lot, but we have heard of many
33:24
Speaker 2: people who are saying that they have complained about this
33:27
Speaker 2: to OPRA and were disappointed with no action. Midwife Sharon Staalia,
33:31
Speaker 2: she was here on Thursday night and she complained to
33:35
Speaker 2: APRA but ended up being investigated herself. Here she was
33:39
Speaker 2: so you were also writing about the fact that there
33:41
Speaker 2: were nurses and midwives in their new southe I was
33:44
Speaker 2: health uniforms, chanting hateful slogans. Yes, yet you found yourself
33:51
Speaker 2: under investigation. What happened?
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Speaker 14: So because I was so outspoken about that, OPRAH started
33:59
Speaker 14: receiving a lot of complaints about me.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just so worrying. Kelly. Do you what do
34:05
Speaker 2: you think needs to happen when it comes to OPERA.
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Speaker 6: Well, I mean, first of all, if that is true,
34:11
Speaker 6: and I've spoken to Sharon as well. She's a very brave,
34:14
Speaker 6: conviction led woman who is campaigning for others, and if
34:17
Speaker 6: her story is true, then that says a lot about
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Speaker 6: APRA that complaints should not be weaponized against the complainant.
34:26
Speaker 6: I have spoken to many doctors in the past few
34:29
Speaker 6: days who have concerns about OPRA. There is even would
34:32
Speaker 6: you believe a conference that will be held in Sydney
34:35
Speaker 6: in May at a major hotel about OPRA and the
34:38
Speaker 6: concerns people have about OPERA. So it would suggest to
34:41
Speaker 6: me that at a minimum they have a reputation of
34:43
Speaker 6: issue and perhaps the minister should be looking at that.
34:46
Speaker 2: As in the federal minister Mark Butler.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Mark Butler should be looking at that. I you know,
34:52
Speaker 6: he would need to examine that. But if you have
34:54
Speaker 6: doctors and a trust deficit in a regulatory body, it should.
34:58
Speaker 2: Be looked at.
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Speaker 6: The cleared or action taken.
35:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, just over all, I mean you mentioned before, like
35:06
Speaker 2: I did, that you've been in undated with people since
35:09
Speaker 2: this bankstyle nurses video story came to light. I mean,
35:13
Speaker 2: what's your concern? And I think Ryan Park handled this
35:17
Speaker 2: very well on the day. Do you think there needs
35:20
Speaker 2: to be a broader inquiry?
35:21
Speaker 8: Now?
35:22
Speaker 2: Did you like my idea of a hotline? What do
35:24
Speaker 2: you think needs to happen?
35:25
Speaker 6: Yeah, So the Health Minister and the Head of Health
35:29
Speaker 6: on the day acted very swiftly. So I congratulate them
35:32
Speaker 6: for that swift action, for making sure that the police
35:35
Speaker 6: were involved immediately, and they have been keeping me abreast
35:38
Speaker 6: of the situation. But what I am calling for, and
35:41
Speaker 6: I've written a letter to Ryan Park, is that we need,
35:44
Speaker 6: first of all, a full examination of patient records, which
35:47
Speaker 6: they have begun. But I want to make sure that
35:48
Speaker 6: that is independent and doesn't just go back twelve months,
35:51
Speaker 6: but it goes back to at least October twenty twenty three.
35:55
Speaker 6: I want to see a full review of workplace culture,
36:01
Speaker 6: a sharing of rules which I haven't seen yet about
36:05
Speaker 6: what is appropriate and what is not in the workplace.
36:08
Speaker 6: Because it is very clear that politics is creeping into
36:10
Speaker 6: the workplace in quite actually quite a pronounced way. There
36:14
Speaker 6: should be some sort of whistleblower mechanism. Hotline, as you suggest,
36:18
Speaker 6: is the first place, because if you are experiencing this
36:21
Speaker 6: in the workplace, whether it's anti Semitism or some other
36:24
Speaker 6: form of racism or Islamophobia, you should be able to
36:27
Speaker 6: air those concerns without the fear of repercussions. And what
36:31
Speaker 6: I'm hearing from Jewish doctors and medical professionals is that
36:34
Speaker 6: they are too scared to speak up because there is
36:37
Speaker 6: a attribution, because of retribution, and that is not good enough.
36:40
Speaker 6: There needs to be a mechanism where they can pick
36:42
Speaker 6: up a lot, you pick up a phone and call
36:45
Speaker 6: someone without that fear of retribution. We cannot be afraid
36:50
Speaker 6: of shining a light on this issue because we're scared
36:53
Speaker 6: of what we're going to find.
36:54
Speaker 2: Well set, Well set, Kelly soon, Thank you very much
36:56
Speaker 2: for being here. Thanks Sharry. All right, and just before
37:00
Speaker 2: we go to the break, I want to update you
37:02
Speaker 2: about two more speakers for our Sky News Antisemitism Summit
37:05
Speaker 2: on Thursday, and I'm delighted to say that former Treasurer
37:09
Speaker 2: Josh Friedenberg and the Federal Court judge Justice Michael Lee
37:13
Speaker 2: will be magnificent additions to our summit. And as you
37:18
Speaker 2: may have read, Josh has just announced the launch of
37:20
Speaker 2: a new not for profit organization, The Door Foundation to
37:23
Speaker 2: address antisemitism in education and justice. Michael Lee and Friedenberg
37:29
Speaker 2: will join Peter Dutton, Chris Mins, John Howard, Gillian Siegel,
37:33
Speaker 2: Mark Drefers, Mike Bizulo, the Israeli Ambassador, Emir Maimon and more.
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Speaker 14: So.
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Speaker 2: You can watch it on the Sky News Election Channel
37:41
Speaker 2: Live one o'clock on Thursday, or at our website sky
37:45
Speaker 2: News dot com dot au. All right, still to come.
37:48
Speaker 2: Trump prepares to declassify top secret intelligence on JFK's assassination.
37:53
Speaker 2: I talk about that with Koshagada plus. Judah Sloan is
37:56
Speaker 2: concerned the RBA is being pressured by politicians to cut rates.
38:01
Speaker 2: She'll join me after this quick break. Welcome back. Well tomorrow,
38:08
Speaker 2: the biggest story is going to be whether the RBA
38:11
Speaker 2: cuts rates, and the market consensus is that the Reserve
38:14
Speaker 2: Bank will cut the interest rate by twenty five basis points.
38:18
Speaker 2: That would bring it down to four point one percent.
38:21
Speaker 2: It would be if they cut it'd be the first
38:24
Speaker 2: time they've slashed the cash rate in five years. All right,
38:29
Speaker 2: let's bring in now the Australians contributing Economics editor Judith Sloan. Judith,
38:34
Speaker 2: thank you very much for your time. Now do you
38:37
Speaker 2: think there is a strong case for the RBA to
38:40
Speaker 2: cut rates tomorrow.
38:45
Speaker 4: Well, Charie, it's a case of will lay or should they?
38:50
Speaker 4: If I'm going to answer that should they, I think
38:53
Speaker 4: the answer is no. I think there is a case,
38:56
Speaker 4: but there's not a strong case. And after all, it's
39:00
Speaker 4: only five six more weeks before they meet again, and
39:03
Speaker 4: I think the cautious approach would be to watch, for example,
39:08
Speaker 4: on their criteria, which is about the trimmed mean of
39:13
Speaker 4: the CPI, it is not currently within their target band,
39:17
Speaker 4: so the target band is two to three percent. It
39:20
Speaker 4: is only slightly above that target band, and it is
39:24
Speaker 4: probably heading into that target band. But it seems to
39:27
Speaker 4: me that there is so much political pressure on them
39:31
Speaker 4: and indeed also the market at i e. The young
39:35
Speaker 4: bond traders have decided to will it that I think
39:38
Speaker 4: they probably will cut tomorrow. But as you said, Shari,
39:42
Speaker 4: by twenty five basis points.
39:44
Speaker 2: It was an interesting story in the finn Review that
39:49
Speaker 2: one of the friends of one of the IBA board members,
39:53
Speaker 2: of Stephen Kennedy, I should say, is the Treasury Secretary,
39:56
Speaker 2: that one of his friends at the last rates meeting,
39:59
Speaker 2: or ahead of the last rates meeting, asked the Finn
40:02
Speaker 2: Review to publish his opinion piece arguing for a rate
40:07
Speaker 2: cut on the day of the rates decision. The Finn
40:10
Speaker 2: refused to do that. They published it the next day.
40:13
Speaker 2: But does this show you the sort of games and
40:16
Speaker 2: political meddling that's going on.
40:21
Speaker 4: Yes, it was a very interesting article by Michael Reid,
40:24
Speaker 4: and he had some good sources there. I thought, So,
40:28
Speaker 4: I think you'll hear the Prime Minister and the Treasurer say,
40:33
Speaker 4: you know, with respect, you know, we understand that the
40:36
Speaker 4: Reserve Bank is independent, blah blah blah, right, which of
40:40
Speaker 4: course is a form of jaw bony. But another way
40:44
Speaker 4: to get the message out is to get your sort
40:46
Speaker 4: of mysteries, your friendlier mysteries to also put the message out.
40:53
Speaker 4: So you know, there are a number of economis. For example,
40:56
Speaker 4: last year we had Wayne swam breaking into the press
41:01
Speaker 4: and telling us what we should do. So I think
41:05
Speaker 4: it's a rather unfortunate arrangement, to tell you the true shower.
41:09
Speaker 4: You either have an independent Reserve Bank that's allowed to
41:14
Speaker 4: get on with the job and be seen to allow
41:17
Speaker 4: I've been allowed to get onto the job, or you know,
41:21
Speaker 4: you have this sort of meddling what I'd called meddling.
41:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does seem like it could be meddling. How
41:27
Speaker 2: do you think Michelle Bullock would withstand this pressure pressure?
41:31
Speaker 2: I mean, she's been quite impressive so far. She's been
41:36
Speaker 2: absolutely great.
41:38
Speaker 4: I think she is perhaps less malleable than they thought
41:43
Speaker 4: when she was appointed. And I absolutely love the fact
41:48
Speaker 4: that an hour after the decision is made public, she
41:52
Speaker 4: very openly conducts a press conference and takes a large
41:57
Speaker 4: number of questions. Like most politicians, she doesn't actually not
42:03
Speaker 4: answer the question. She does try to answer the question.
42:06
Speaker 4: So I think she's been great. But bear in mind
42:10
Speaker 4: it's not just the governor who makes this decision.
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Speaker 2: It is the board.
42:14
Speaker 4: This is actually the old board, and that does include
42:17
Speaker 4: the Treasury Secretary, so she has a vote. There are
42:23
Speaker 4: other Reserve Bank people on the board. But I think
42:26
Speaker 4: she's been great, And I think to what Shari tomorrow
42:30
Speaker 4: is not just the decision but also the narrative around it,
42:36
Speaker 4: because normally when Central Bank starts to cut interest rates,
42:41
Speaker 4: it's the start of a cutting season, so to speak.
42:45
Speaker 4: Whereas I think there is a bet where they'll say, look,
42:48
Speaker 4: we've been prepared to cut this time, but we're not
42:52
Speaker 4: making any promises about a series of cuts through the year.
42:56
Speaker 4: That's a very different scenario to the normal process whereby yes,
43:00
Speaker 4: we think we've got inflation lecked and we'll have a
43:03
Speaker 4: series of cuts through the year.
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Speaker 2: It'll be interesting to see or if we'll even find
43:09
Speaker 2: out whether the board decision is unanimous tomorrow or whether
43:12
Speaker 2: there is a split in a difference of opinion. Just
43:15
Speaker 2: before you go quickly, I just want to ask you.
43:18
Speaker 4: Now on that, Charie. We won't know that because that
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Speaker 4: will be the process under the new board. I think
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Speaker 4: we will have some transparency about the voting, but tomorrow
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Speaker 4: is the last meeting of the old constituted boards, so
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Speaker 4: it's the sort of normal confidentiality of the voting.
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Speaker 2: Just very quickly because we've got to go. Would you
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Speaker 2: say the political meddling by the Albanese government at this
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Speaker 2: point is interference? Is it interfering with the independence?
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Speaker 4: I think it's been very unfortunate, and I think that
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Speaker 4: you know, they have a legislation under which they act.
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Speaker 2: They should be allowed to.
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Speaker 4: Get on with the fulfilling the tasks that are given
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Speaker 4: to them. So I think it is unfortunate. But you know,
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Speaker 4: bear in mind it's not the first government to have
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Speaker 4: done this and sadly will not be the last.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, all right, Judi Sloane really appreciate your analysis. As
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Speaker 2: always still to come, Trump prepares to declassify top secret intelligence.
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Speaker 2: I'll speak about this with Koshergata after this break. Or
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump is preparing to declassify top secret intelligence about
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Speaker 2: some of the mysteries we've always wanted to know. Annapaulina
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Speaker 2: Luna is leading this declassification effort. Here she is apologies
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Speaker 2: we had no volume on that, but she spoke about
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Speaker 2: wanting to declassify intelligence on jfk assassination, the origins of
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Speaker 2: COVID nineteen UFOs, which they now call UAPs. Let's bring
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Speaker 2: in to discuss sky News contributed to Karyshagata Kosha. This
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Speaker 2: would be incredible. But you, oh, another thing she mentioned
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Speaker 2: was the client list of Jeffrey Eppstate. So you think
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Speaker 2: there's going to be heavy backlash to this. Perhaps some
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Speaker 2: agencies like the CIA might appose it as well, But
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Speaker 2: I'm all for it. What do you reckon?
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Speaker 13: Yes, will certainly be backlash for it, as there are
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Speaker 13: with all these things that Trump is trying and the
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Speaker 13: promises he made in the campaign that he's attempting to fulfill.
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Speaker 13: And the big picture here, the reason why this is
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Speaker 13: so important is the d class system or the classification
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Speaker 13: system is really broken and many people have felt this
45:37
Speaker 13: for a long time in America, where number one, all
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Speaker 13: sorts of things remain classified and shrouded under cloak and
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Speaker 13: dagger mystery for years and decades after they happened, even
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Speaker 13: though they do serve great public interest. And on the
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Speaker 13: other side, there's all sorts of people who get access
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Speaker 13: to two classified materials even if they don't really have a.
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Speaker 2: Need to know.
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Speaker 13: And you see this with people who stepped out of
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Speaker 13: public officer who are retired and all of that. And
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Speaker 13: the outcome of this is that it's just leading to
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Speaker 13: more and more distrust in institutions, which we know are
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Speaker 13: at an all time low right now. So this is
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Speaker 13: one measure in that where Trump does have the power
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Speaker 13: to declassify it as unilaterally presidential power in our system.
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Speaker 2: So he's done that.
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Speaker 13: And what Annapolina Luna is doing is from the congressional side,
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Speaker 13: there's a role to play to further disseminate it, codify
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Speaker 13: that and it'll be interesting to see what these things are.
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Speaker 13: The Epstein list in particular is going to get a
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Speaker 13: lot of pushback because there are some very high profile
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Speaker 13: names as we know and expect to be involved in there.
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Speaker 13: So we shall see how quickly they get this done.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you think of something like JFK's assassination and
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Speaker 2: you think, after all this time, what is the reason
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Speaker 2: not to make public the intelligence? You know, there's just
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Speaker 2: saying with UFOs, why shouldn't the public know what intelligence
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Speaker 2: the American government has on it? And it's probably about
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Speaker 2: time some of that was released and there was transparency
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Speaker 2: around it. I just want to talk to you, coach.
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Speaker 2: You're about President jd Vance's controversial speech to the European
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Speaker 2: ladas on the wakend. Have a look.
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Speaker 8: The threat that I worry the most about visav Europe
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Speaker 8: is not Russia, it's not China, it's not any other
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Speaker 8: external actor. And what I worry about is the threat
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Speaker 8: from within the retreat of Europe from some of its
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Speaker 8: most fundamental values, values shared with the United States of
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Speaker 8: America and Britain and across Europe. Free speech. I fear
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Speaker 8: is in retreat.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so, Kosha, this went down very badly with the
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Speaker 2: European ladies.
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Speaker 13: It sure did He was very blunt and is again
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Speaker 13: speaking from the pulpit of what the Trump administration is
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Speaker 13: all about and what his entire political career really for
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Speaker 13: the last decade has been about, which is first of all,
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Speaker 13: cutting back on this premise that's seventy five years after
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Speaker 13: World War Two, the US still has to be a
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Speaker 13: guaranteur of security to the level that it is around
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Speaker 13: the world. That has been an orthodoxy shared by both
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Speaker 13: parties across the Atlantic for a very long time. So
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Speaker 13: shadowing that will not be easy, but that is his view.
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Speaker 13: And then secondly, this principle that if we are allies
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Speaker 13: as we are, and we do share in this alliance
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Speaker 13: to defend democracy, which has become sort of a catchphrase, almost,
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Speaker 13: what is it that we're actually defending when there are
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Speaker 13: threats to free speech, when there is so much migration
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Speaker 13: was another topic he touched on, so on and so forth.
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Speaker 13: So he was laying that bear in a friendly way,
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Speaker 13: but I would say in a very blunt, constructive criticism way.
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Speaker 13: And it's so it's not surprising that the leaders didn't
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Speaker 13: like it. But the people, I think probably do see
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Speaker 13: some common cause in.
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Speaker 2: What he's talking about. Yeah, Oh, the leaders certainly didn't
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Speaker 2: think it was a friendly manner at all. They sat
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Speaker 2: there shocked and tweeting right the way through his speech,
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Speaker 2: and I just very quickly Hamas released three hostages on
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Speaker 2: the weekend, not all of the remaining captives, despite President
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Speaker 2: Trump ordering them to do so. Now what happens now, kosher,
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Speaker 2: because we've got thirty seconds. But basically Trump has said
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Speaker 2: he'll support is Radio Prime Minister Benjamin Nett and Yahoo
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Speaker 2: if he does want to go back into Gaza. Twenty seconds.
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Speaker 13: Yes, I think he will do that and sort of
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Speaker 13: allow President and Yahoo to defend his sovereignty. And I think,
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Speaker 13: you know, he might always throw in some interesting jives
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Speaker 13: to keep them on their feet until the story is ended.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. The question is, of course, whether it's the right
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Speaker 2: time for NED and Yaho to do so, because out
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Speaker 2: of the seventy three remaining hostages, Israel believes around thirty
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Speaker 2: three are still alive. So perhaps they'd want to get
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Speaker 2: those living hostages out before they go back into Gaza
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Speaker 2: and kill the rest of the Hamas terrorists. All right, Koshagada,
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Speaker 2: appreciate your time. I'll see you tomorrow at eight o'clock.
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Speaker 2: And right now, Paul Murray