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and talk about loggers and cork boots.
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From that time backwards through the 30s and 20s,
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this country here was not quite so civilized as it is now.
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You are not fucking ready for this.
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I'm ready. You guys, you'll never be ready.
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I'm holding my butt.
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Turn that thing off for a minute and I'll tell you the rest of it
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to see if you want to record it.
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He says to the interviewer,
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"What?!"
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Your voice sounds even more rich and creamy than normal.
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A rich and creamy?
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Rich and creamy.
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Oh boy.
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Alright.
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Well, I'm...
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You know what? Never mind.
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I was gonna say I can't wait to hear whether the Patreon thinks that my voice sounds
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richer and creamier, but please don't tell me.
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Please don't tell me.
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[Music]
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Hi, Cassie
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Hi, Caitlyn.
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Hi, creepy people.
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Hi, Patreon, creepy people.
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Oh, yeah. She did it. She did it right.
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Do you guys hear my voice shake because I'm waving so hard in my body?
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She's wiggling.
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I always have to wave. I feel like it just sends good energy to you guys.
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It does.
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I think so.
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I felt it.
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Good.
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I mean, I'm in the same room, but you know.
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Okay.
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Yeah, what are we doing?
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Do you remember when we talked about the Claire Voyant Tarot Reader?
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That was like three days ago.
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Yeah.
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It was pretty recently, so I was kind of hoping you'd say yes.
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I do. That was like one of my favorite episodes.
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I know.
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Yeah. You were the second person to send it my way.
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Oh, yeah.
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We talked all about it in the episode.
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Do you remember, though, I told you that, and I wanted to warn the Patreon too, don't go rummaging
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through the paste bin to look through all of the source material yet because I really wanted
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to have this experience of me reading a portion of one of the transcripts to you.
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Yeah. I remember.
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Okay.
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And I had a strong visual of all of the creepy people digging through trash cans.
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It's a paste bin.
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Not a trash bin.
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It says bin.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Miss.
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You sound like Y'all fun London.
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Waste bin, paste bin.
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Oh.
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Very easy to.
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I see what you did there.
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Yeah.
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So this is actually an interview that was conducted by someone that I wasn't going to look
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that deep.
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Okay.
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It's on the Pacific University library in their like archives.
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Okay.
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And this was typed up on a typewriter.
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Oh, cute.
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Yeah.
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And you can tell because of the funds and also because of the tiny little corrections that
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they hand pendent.
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Oh, my God.
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Cute.
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It's really cute.
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Yeah.
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We might have to post a picture of some of the funny little corrections that they put in.
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Okay.
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The following oral history interview is with Ralph W. Raines, a longtime resident of Washington
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County who has grown up around the lumber industry for his entire life.
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The entire interview is over three hours in length in which time a great many topics are
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discussed or touched upon.
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And Cassie just got a look on her face that was like holy shit.
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Is she rating me a three hour interview?
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I hope so.
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I'm going to close my eyes in my bang over my eyes and take a nap.
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You go for it.
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Oh, no.
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It's not the whole thing.
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And there's a particular part that I really wanted to share with you.
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Okay.
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I love the oral interviews.
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Oh, boy.
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The conversation generally follows a chronological order beginning with his grandparents coming
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across the plains and eventually settling in Oregon.
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So this is literally like his origin story.
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Oh, his origin origin story.
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Oh, I see what you did there.
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I liked it.
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Thanks.
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Yeah.
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Ralph's father, Waldo.
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Where is he?
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That was the funniest thing ever.
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That was my favorite joke I've ever made.
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I mean, thankfully I was there to be just completely oblivious to like the most obvious dad
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joke.
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And it was hilarious.
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And I just it just sailed right overhead.
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You know, perfect.
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Delivery.
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I know.
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It was it was remarkable.
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Oh, my gosh.
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The story is spiced along the way with logging anecdotes, hilariously funny stories and personal
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experiences that loggers men of the woods are famous for.
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I love a man of the woods.
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The interview is a valuable resource tool in the respect that it that it covers the logging
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industry and its different aspects from the small lumber mill to the more mechanized and
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efficient operations to the new field of tree farming, all told in a human personal way.
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The user is encouraged to listen to the tapes and read the transcript for maximum benefit
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and enjoyment.
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Oh, did you listen and read?
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No, I didn't come across the recording.
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I'm sure I probably could have figured out a way to find it, but I didn't.
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The interview takes place on February 27, 1978 at Mr. Reigns' home up in the mountains outside
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of the town of Cherry Grove.
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Oh, I know it's the whole sun.
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Is Cherry Grove still a town?
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I have no idea.
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You should find out.
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Let me Google Maps at real quick.
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Is it Oregon?
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Yes.
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I think so.
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It sounds familiar.
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If it's not, then unincorporated community.
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Okay.
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I was going to say, I think it's in a rural part of the Gaston area, maybe, which already
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Gaston is even now still pretty rural.
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Yeah.
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I have to do it every time.
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Look at that.
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So cute.
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Kind of close to Forest Grove.
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Well, not that close, but it's like on this map right here, Forest Grove is over there.
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Everything is really far from Forest Grove.
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Yeah.
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So like, if you're like less than three hours away, it's like, oh, look, it's kind of close.
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Yeah.
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So Ralph said, I receive Christmas cards and sometimes visits from Fellows that worked
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for me in the past.
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And I'm proud of it.
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That means a lot to me.
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That's real value in my life.
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Oh, I know.
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He's so sweet.
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I know.
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That's Ralph's senior.
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When Fellows come to work for me, the set of instructions was, I assumed it already
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when he'd come to work, he'd already been screened and I knew he knew his job.
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I tell him that here, the name of the game is Get logs.
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Get those logs.
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First name of the game.
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First name of the game.
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Now, if you don't think you can stand up and hold up with the rest of the crew, we don't
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cut the pay here.
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You'll just have to quit.
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It's Get logs and Get logs safely.
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If you can't do that, we don't like to make widows here.
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Oh, seriously, we just talked about a lumberjack with a tree fallen on him.
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Got a tree fallen on him.
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A tree fallen.
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That's not how you speak English, but whatever.
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Yeah.
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That's how some people do when they feel like it.
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Okay.
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We'll go with, I did that on purpose.
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Yeah.
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It was fullsy.
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We're not widow makers here.
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Get logs and Get logs they did.
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One summer, we averaged 1900 board feet per man per day all summer long, which seems like
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a lot.
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I don't really have a.
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I want to comparison right now.
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I know.
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Well, too bad because that's not even the main point of this.
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Why, like, they call some fellows.
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I know.
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Isn't that cute?
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That was well over double the production of the average in the state that year, which
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was about 936 board feet per man per day.
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So I mean, I guess that's kind of a measuring stick, right?
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Like that tells you 930 936 versus their 1900.
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Oh, wow.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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It's pretty good.
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It took a while for the first to go into my brain.
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I find that with numbers, like I need to see it.
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Yeah.
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A lot of times, I'm just more visual that way.
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I have the visual.
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I'm nervous.
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Are you writing it on a chalkboard?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's hilarious.
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Yeah.
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Our brains are the same.
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You were wearing glasses and everything.
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Aww.
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Oh, wow.
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Okay.
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Wow.
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Okay.
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Wow.
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Oh my god.
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Okay.
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But we had a show I want to tell you you just wouldn't believe it, which is like just so
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fucking wholesome and folksy.
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I can hear them talking.
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You wouldn't believe it.
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Yeah.
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It's so cute.
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It's so cute.
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Grandpa, tell me more story.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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And then.
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Oh, you'll see.
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And talk about loggers and cork boots from that time backwards through the 30s and 20s.
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This country here was not quite so civilized as it is now.
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Oh, come on.
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Oh, come on.
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Oh, come on.
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Saturday night dances.
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The fellows would all get in from the woods.
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The Saturday night dances at Shadyside Dance Hall and out to Balm Grove, the wild affairs.
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Oh my goodness.
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Oh, whoo.
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It was a pop in town.
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Um, yeah.
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If those went on today, the state police and the National Guard and every other thing would
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be out here, the FBI to round up the moonshiners, quell the rioting.
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Damn.
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You wouldn't believe it.
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I wouldn't.
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I won't believe it.
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Yeah.
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I want to go to this party for.
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I know.
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She's like, so you're telling me there's lumberjacks at a party.
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lumberjacks and moonshiners, all you need.
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We always used to speculate.
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I remember when I was a teenager, we always used to several of us would get together and
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say, where are we going tonight?
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Where are we going to have the biggest Donnie Brook tonight?
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What the Donnie Brook?
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I'm going to, um, I'm going to actually look it up because I'm like, I kind of have like
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a cursory.
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Also by teenagers, they mean they were 21, right?
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Or was it 18 back today?
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Well, he's, well, he's talking about like, it doesn't matter because like in some of this
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time period, alcohol wasn't legal at all.
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Oh, my goodness.
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That's what you're saying, the moonshiners, because that's where moonshin comes from.
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Deloy.
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Yeah.
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Why would the FBI be involved?
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Like my brain.
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Well, I mean, I guess like it could be that wild.
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I don't know.
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So Donnie Brook, a scene of uproar and disorder, a heated argument, which actually, I'm glad
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I read that because just hold that for a second.
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Okay.
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Wait.
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Well, can you read it one more time?
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All right.
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A scene of uproar and disorder, a heated argument.
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Okay.
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Was it going to be bomb-grow for, was it going to be shady side?
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I remember it shady side, why, loggers, a lot of times on Saturdays, why they'd be in from
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the woods.
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Maybe they didn't even have their cork boots changed yet, but they always had to stop and
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wet their whistle at the tavern.
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Wet their whistle.
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Whet their whistle.
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Sometimes they would show up with their logging clothes on and maybe just their slippers.
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They called them dancing slippers.
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I'm just not well enough informed about the footwear of lumberjacks in the early 1900s,
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but I can look into it.
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I'm going to need you to.
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I can't picture a lumberjack dancing in ugg slippers.
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It's exactly what I was picturing with the fur.
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Like these ones, right here.
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Oh boy.
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If they didn't have their dancing slippers, why?
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Sometimes they were there in their corks.
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Their cork boots?
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Whoa.
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I don't know what the cork boots are.
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Yeah.
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You know, there's a lot of stuff in here that's real old-timey.
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Man.
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I mean, I just think, you know, working boots.
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Yeah.
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I think so.
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I'm just picturing somebody in like the sorral boots, you know?
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Like the like real sorral boots.
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Like the work boots.
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Work one.
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Not like the cute like.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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For the Saturday night dance, when the fight started, why you would always run over to the side
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and stand up on the benches so as you could get a better view.
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And it says in parentheses, laughs.
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A better view of what?
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Of the fight.
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Oh, okay.
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Sorry.
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That was a dumb question.
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I know you're like, wait, what?
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I know there's a lot going on here.
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It's a lot too absorbed.
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I feel like the pay off here.
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And it's not far off.
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I could tell you about some of those fights.
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Sometimes it got to be six or seven of them going at it at the same time.
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Was this fight club?
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I'm like, oh, it's like it.
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He's not supposed to talk about it.
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He's not supposed to talk about fight club.
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I remember one time at Shadyside Dance Hall.
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They had one brawl.
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Shadyside was built right on the side of Gail's Creek.
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Or Skoggen's Creek, rather.
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This is very important thing.
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You know which creek.
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Obviously.
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The creek?
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Crick.
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Right on the edge of Skoggen's Creek, right exactly where the old TV highway, no way,
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goes over the Skoggen's Creek right there.
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It has now fell down with a snow about 10 to 12 years ago, something like that.
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So I guess that doesn't exist.
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Oh.
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But anyhow, this door on the side of the building was always nailed shut.
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The loggers all got in a fight there one night and they picked up one guy and threw him
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right through the door.
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Damn, that takes a lot of force, I feel like.
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And went out the door and went right over the bank and right into the creek.
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Wait, there was a door just to the edge.
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I guess so.
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Oh, yeah.
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It's very strange.
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I wonder if they like used to drop off shady shit there from the ground.
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You can be like, they were canoeing down the creek and dropping on shady shit.
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That makes no sense.
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You would be an excellent criminal mind.
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I would be.
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Criminal mastermind.
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Yeah.
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There are some stories I could tell you and it boy does he.
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I feel like he is.
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Yeah.
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He's spilling all of the tea.
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Okay.
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Do you have your tea ready?
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No, I spilled it.
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Yeah.
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That's correct.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Stories.
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Good God.
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Even the girls used to get into it.
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Damn.
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Pulling hair.
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Well, scratching that part too.
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One night we were out there at Balm Grove and two girls got into some kind of a scrap.
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I don't know what it was over.
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Anyhow, the fight was on and outside they went.
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Right in front of the doorstep of Balm Grove dance hall out there.
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There was a heck of a big mud puddle and the damned mud puddle.
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I don't know.
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It seemed to me like it was maybe 10 to 12 feet across.
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Maybe four to six inches deep.
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Something like that.
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Wow.
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That's a pond.
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It is.
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Yeah.
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Oh, good Lord.
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I think if you guys haven't figured out where this is going, the girls got to scrapping
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it out right in the middle of that mud puddle.
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One of them got the other one down in the middle of that puddle.
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Her dress clear up over her head.
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Got all mighty no pants on.
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In parentheses.
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Lies.
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Oh my gosh.
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Was this the first mud-wrestling competition?
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Was this the origin story?
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We've triangulated patient zero.
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Oh my god.
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Hold my moonshine.
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I got to go mud-wrestle this bitch.
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I don't know why we have Southern accent in this.
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Because it seems like such a Southern thing.
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I guess.
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I don't know.
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Yeah.
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Listen.
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I'm kind of getting a weird visual where it's like she's taken off her earrings, but they're
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like these gorgeous like art deco earrings.
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It's very confusing.
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The imagery is confusing.
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Yeah.
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Where do panties go?
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That's what I want to know.
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I mean, maybe that's why the other girl was fighting her because she's like, run around
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with no panties trying to get her man's.
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Yeah.
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Well, all right.
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I'm going to wrap this up.
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You're not.
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You are not ready.
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Okay.
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I'm not fucking ready for this.
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I'm ready.
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You guys, you'll never be ready.
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I'm holding my butt.
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This.
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I can't.
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Turn that thing off for a minute and I'll tell you the rest of it to see if you want to
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record it.
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He says to the interviewer, what?
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Oh my gosh.
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One of these girls, I don't remember who the girls were.
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My God, she just reached right down and grabbed a hold of her hair right between her crotch
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and just stretch that thing something terrible.
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The one picked the other up and threw her over her shoulder and all mighty, I'm telling
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the truth.
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End of tape two, side two.
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She grabbed her by her beaver bus.
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This is all more proof that you just need to be waxing otherwise you get a fight.
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That's something that could be grabbed.
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Okay.
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So here's the thing.
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When I first read this, I thought he was saying that the girl whose dress had been pulled
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up, I thought he was saying she was grabbing her beaver bus.
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She was on, but I think the other way makes more sense.
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God, they must have been a really big push.
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Holy shit.
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To be able to grab on.
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I mean, she might be grabbing on to some other things too.
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Oh my God.
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Wow.
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So people just been whaling since before, whaling was whaling.
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You know, no cat.
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Oh my God.
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Did I tell you what my wax lady said about my, I got a wax while it was snowy?
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No.
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So there was only a few people that braved the snowy conditions to go get their wax.
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Let me tell you, you don't want to miss one.
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If you miss one.
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And she called us the tundra bevers.
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Because we braved the tundra.
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Oh my God.
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Well, obviously this, this was meant to be.
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That's hilarious.
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I just can't because it starts out so wholesome.
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And I'm like, Grandpa, tell me more stories about Logan.
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Grandpa, no.
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Oh.
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Wow.
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That's hilarious.
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Yeah.
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I mean, and here's the thing.
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When you asked, are we going to do a Tiro reading?
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I thought to myself like, oh boy, what if we get a beaver?
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Exactly.
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That would be the greatest thing ever.
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We should still do it, I think.
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Are you done?
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Is that the end?
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That's the end.
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There's no more gold in there.
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Listen, this is one ancient man who was too embarrassed to even just keep going in the
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story on the recording without checking with his.
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It's so cute.
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I know.
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It is nice of a man to think about that because, you know, do walk a room, talk.
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So yeah, I don't know.
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I appreciate it.
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He didn't say beaver, right?
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I said beaver.
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Yeah.
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He definitely wasn't talking to me.
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Pretty sure he's only referring to the animal if he's ever said beaver.
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He didn't even say bush.
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No, he didn't.
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Do you think he would be friends with beavers?
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Because they both kind of do the same thing.
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Logging?
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Like, did you just ask me that?
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I went to split the deck and...
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Is that the keyaver?
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It's a chipunk.
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I was like, is the wood chuck?
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Yeah.
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Could chuck wood?
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Oh, you might be right.
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What's stopping?
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What is it?
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It's the page of pentacles.
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Okay.
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So tell them what happened.
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I looked at the stuff.
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Okay.
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So I went to split the tarot deck so I could shuffle and we could just do a quick little...
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Just for fun, these tarot reading.
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And as I split the deck and I went to shuffle, I realized that the two ends of the deck,
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one of the cards was page of pentacles, which looks like kind of like a wood chuck or
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a chipmunk type creature.
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It's a chipmunk.
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It's a chipmunk.
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Keep that up.
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I feel like...
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Okay.
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"Diligent, dependable ambition, planning, building new skills, starting an investment, planting
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a seed."
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I feel like we were supposed to get that one too.
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Building...
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It says building a new...
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Building new skills.
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Oh, like when you grab your flaps...
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Let me read this short.
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While she's shuffling, I'm going to read the little story in the little book.
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Just one more he thought.
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Setting out on another excursion.
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Move quietly, don't attract attention.
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Stay in the brush to...
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Oh my God.
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Stay in the brush to avoid the red hawk.
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Stop it.
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Stay in the...
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Oh, I can't read that again.
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Stay in the brush to avoid the red hawk.
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Pray the weasel's not around.
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Spathe oak from the top of the rise.
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The blackberries just below it towards the water.
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Grab some...
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Oh my God.
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Grab some...
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Can I see?
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Grab some...
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Thistle seeds on the way out.
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Or I can't even talk.
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Grab some thistle seeds on the way back.
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Stash them safely.
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Sion relief.
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Survive...
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Or survey the horde just one more.
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Oh my God.
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So it's like a little chipmunk grabbing seeds in like story in the middle of the way.
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That's really funny.
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Okay.
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I just went to shuffle again and then it was a hawk.
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Or all the hawk.
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Oh, weird.
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Yeah, and he said something about a hawk.
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I just think of like the red hawk as mean the girl who grabbed the other girl's brush.
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Yeah.
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I have to...
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What'd you get?
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Stop it.
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Should we have been recording this?
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Did you get a pepper?
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No.
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Oh.
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Oh.
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Oh.
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Oh.
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It's a fish.
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It's the strength card.
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Okay.
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Yeah, which is...
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Isn't that mine?
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Yeah.
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Just a salmon on it?
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I think it's a salmon.
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Is it a salmon?
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You tell me.
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Strength card.
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I feel like this man, lumberjack man had strength for sure.
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Well, yeah.
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If nothing else, we can take that away from this.
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Yeah.
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I can't do that.
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I keep passing it.
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Soccer salmon.
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Ah!
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That's the good one.
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The taste, eh?
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And strength exists without opposition, probably not.
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The salmon strength is only necessary, only meaningful when positioned against the
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current.
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Oh.
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Strength against all the forces that push back against him, against doubt, against the
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water, against competition.
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It is that countering force that gives him the strength to face things directly and fly
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upward to leap.
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Hmm.
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The salmon ponders this or more likely doesn't as he charges forward in a single-minded,
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lustful drive, powerful and sure-finned.
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Ah!
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Oh!
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That's like a joke I would make.
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He is unstoppable by any force within or without.
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Err.
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Yeah, those horny-ass salmon.
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I mean, yeah, just like the vloggers, I'm guessing.
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Okay.
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So keywords are inner power, overcoming weaknesses, courage and persistence.
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And it says, although some interpreters view this card as emblematic of the struggle with
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your animal nature, others see it as symbolic of self-confidence and inner strength of being
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in harmony with your instinctive nature.
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What did it say about your animal nature?
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Um, that it's emblematic of the struggle with your animal nature.
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Like brawling?
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Yeah.
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I was just, well, I'm not going to say what I was like.
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Like grabbing people by the beaver?
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Yeah.
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Oh, no.
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There's an extra excerpt, so.
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Some decks assign strength number 11 and give justice number 8.
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Oh, right, right, right.
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I disagree.
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Yeah.
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I think strength and 8 are more closely aligned.
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And so did the creators of the writer Waitsmith Deck, who broke with the older numbering system.
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From the perspective of numerology, eight corresponds to pragmatism, material mastery,
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financial success.
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I was going to say the reins.
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Like this is very emblematic of who.
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Really all of the men in this family.
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Toads.
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Whereas 11 represents humanitarianism and equality.
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Oh, like humanitarianism.
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Isn't that like helping people?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Were they like kind of about like preserving the environment and like making sure that Earth
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was coming out?
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And say that's like more about like conservation and virus sustainability.
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Yeah.
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But I mean, like still kind of from the perspective of, you know, just like don't be a dick.
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Yeah.
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Well, conserving the Earth is like helping people.
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It is.
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Yeah, that's a kindness to your fellow man, your future man, your fellow man.
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Oh, fellow.
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When strength shows up reversed, it suggests a struggle between your inner and
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outer selves.
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Either you're being controlled by your emotions and your animal nature.
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Feels fair.
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Hold my moon, John.
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Or you're ignoring your instincts and only listening to logic.
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Oh, think it's up.
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I don't think it's the second one.
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No.
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Brute force alone won't get you where you want to go.
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Set your ego aside for now.
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Dang.
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And strength like fighting people.
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Yeah.
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I made a strong arm and I was like, I'm like doing things for the camera, but it's not
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on.
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I know we didn't turn it on.
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Whoops.
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Whoops.
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We weren't gonna.
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Okay.
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Let's say inner reading about money, inner fears, insecurity or indecision may be interfering
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with your prosperity.
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Or you may be using the wrong means to gain financially.
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Listen to your instincts as well as your intellect to avoid setbacks.
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That's interesting.
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I feel like that's very, I don't know that it feels like it relates specifically to this
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little bonusy bonus, but to the case itself with Ralph.
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If the reading is about your job, you may feel overwhelmed by a situation or uncertain
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how to handle it.
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Oh yeah, like if your dad handles the business side of things and oh yeah.
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Lack of confidence keeps you from achieving your goals.
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This card can also mean you're trying to muscle your way ahead, which will likely fail.
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Your position may not be as strong as you think.
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In a reading about love, you may be afraid to show your true feelings and put up a tough
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facade.
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However, this won't bring the happiness you seek.
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Relinquish your defenses, put your ego aside and open your heart to make a relationship
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work.
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Hmm.
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Let's go on over there, Giggle.
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Oh, I was thinking about, wait, I can't remember what you said before the love one.
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It was like the last sentence you read.
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Your position may not be as strong as you think.
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I was thinking your beaver may not be as strong as you think.
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I mean, well, she lived.
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Who knows how much beaver hair got pulled out though?
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Can you imagine having a fistful of darkened crullies?
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Oh my god.
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Why?
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You read the story to us.
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I know.
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I feel like I'm going to live long enough to regret it probably, but it was too funny.
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Oh, man.
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It was quite shocking.
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And it was near the end of me researching this case.
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And there was so much like background on kind of their, you know, the family and the businesses
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and everything coming up in that area.
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And then I get to the bottom and I'm like, holy hell.
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Oh, man, that's funny.
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That was great.
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Thank you.
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You're so welcome.
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I needed a good laugh.
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Have a creepy day.
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See you next Tuesday or whatever.
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You know, because your Patreon, you get things whenever.
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Yeah, we just do stuff.
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But like, protect your beavers.
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Don't be so creepy that you pull someone's beaver hair out.
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This sounds seriously.
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Fistful of darkened crullies?
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Oh no.
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I have to go.
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